I feel like you have to give it more than 1 season before you call a trade a "mistake". The Cavs traded for Mitchell with the goal of making the postseason. They accomplished that. Even if they lost in the first round this is only season 1. Not to mention that the Cavs gave up a player in Sexton that they didn't really wanna keep in the first place, a player in Lauri Markkannen who broke out with the Jazz but realistically would never have gotten the opportunity to do that in Cleveland, and Ochai Agbaji who although is a solid player has a limited ceiling. The Cavs didn't give up that much for Mitchell and their young core(Garland, Okoro?, Mobley, and Allen) is intact
For the Timberwolves, I wish we would give them more than one season before we start judging the trade. People fail to mention the circumstances surrounding this season for the Timberwolves. First, Karl-Anthony Towns got an illness just before training camp that caused him to miss most of training camp and lose 20 lbs. He started the season under his usual game weight. Not only that, but also he was adjusting to a new role as a PF. He was being asked to play a different role so his struggles to quickly adjust to it, especially with the missed training camp and lower game weight make sense. Then he gets hurt and misses 50+ games once again cutting into his adjustment period
Point is, we never gave the Timberwolves a proper adjustment period. For me, I am confident in this team and believe they will be a Top 5 seed next year once they get a full offseason and training camp as well as some small roster improvements.
One year is way too soon to write a trade off as a mistake. I also hope these trades and trades before them do not dissuade other teams from making trades. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business and you never make it far in a business without taking risks. Sometimes they fail, but more often than not they succeed
As a Cavs fan, im not worried long term, i am a little pissed that Spida is only 6'1 but its fine. The bench and the 3 will come. I hope Mobley doesn't just become a rim running big (i doubt he will). Im more uncertain about Jarrett Allen.
All do respect, but you’re acting like Cleveland traded for an aging Bradley Beal. We went and got a young, up and coming sg (who’s arguably the best in the league at his position). In addition to that, we have $57.3 million in expiring salary this off season that we can reallocate into signing 3 of the following guys: Caris LeVert, Rui Hachimura, Cam Johnson, Josh Hart, Harrison Barnes, (the list can go on). I think Cleveland made an incredible decision in brining in Mitchell. The other aspect of this is Cleveland is a small market. Superstars aren’t coming here on free agency, we either have to draft them or trade for them. To call the Cleveland trade a potential mistake is a little ridiculous. (You did say you think we’re fine). All in all, good video I love the content!
I don't see Harden back to Houston unless they'd offer him super max 5 years. Memphis and Nuggets haven't done a trade like that. You have to be pantience and be sure what players you have. I'm not quite sure yet if Mobley is a superstar, Knicks eliminating Cavs in 5 is tought.
Imma keep it a buck with you Tucker, the new thumbnails really throw me off and give off a shitty vibe. I understand you’re trying to pump out content during the playoffs, but they’re just so clickbait-y it throws me off
I think the ship has sailed for a good Dame deal. Unless it's for a truly ready, win-now team. That BKN idea will just gut that roster and not really make them contenders. Apologies to Dame and BKN, but they don't really the drawing power to attract still-relevant, ring-chasing vets to put them over.
Imagine Cavs moving Lauri away as a roster filler and a total afterthought in Mitchell trade. He was misused much like at Bulls as a 4:th option only as catch and shoot player. Their front court has all the defensive talent. With Garland the back court was OK'ish if supplemented with a taller role player quard and some playmaking ability.
They had almost all the pieces together, without realizing that and not having a need to trade away all that draft capital.
The point of the video stands. Maybe not always wise to try rushing development of a young team.
I feel like these trades were giving up way to much youth talent and draft picks over developing their teams and adding role players the decided to add big time stars and results in them either failing success or being a few pieces short in the playoffs like the Timberwolves and cavs
I might piss some people off with this one… but my predictions 🔮 is that 2024 season 🏀 Steph Curry will have to face up with #johnnyx100. Im sorry i said it. Draft pick of the year!!! Chicago Bulls is back!!!!!!
I feel like the problem with the Mitchell trade is that they have 2 undersized guards starting. OKC has 2 very tall long guards that can guard up. Mitchell is an absolute freak of nature athletically, and has wingspan no other player has for his size… however, he Cleveland needs more size starting in the backcourt. Like Markelle Fultz could be a beast beside Mitchell, and Garland would kill it in Orlando.
I’m not an Orlando fan, but I’d love to see them land the #2 pick and get Scoot Henderson. That team would be ELECTRIC.
100% facts BUT if you turn down a donovan mitchell because you arent quite ready there is no guarantee there will be a donovan mitchell available when you are.
Minnesota had a wonky year. There was no consistency. I'm fine running it back with a fully healthy roster. I know there are tons of KAT trade rumors, so we'll see how the summer goes.
“If you could get someone like Damian Lillard and not give up the core of your team…”
Stop. Not gonna happen. If the Blazers are going to trade Dame, especially in this off season or upcoming season, they’re going to expect a king’s ransom in return.
I think the prime example of trying to build too fast is the Dallas Mavericks with the Porzingas trade that is still effecting them and limits what they can do. They are still trying to piece things together to build a compitent roster from the mess up of previous front office did.
The Mitchell trade wasn’t bad. 4/5 seed matchups in the playoffs are usually teams that are closer together talent wise. The Knicks are a really good team. In the case of Minnesota, they need to decide if they are going to go with KAT or Edwards. I’d try to flip KAT.
Mitchel didnt look fantastic it looked like cleveland. Decent. They didnt get a number 1 seed or anything. I didnt like the trade i didnt think hed move clevelands needle and he didnt.
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I feel like you have to give it more than 1 season before you call a trade a "mistake". The Cavs traded for Mitchell with the goal of making the postseason. They accomplished that. Even if they lost in the first round this is only season 1. Not to mention that the Cavs gave up a player in Sexton that they didn't really wanna keep in the first place, a player in Lauri Markkannen who broke out with the Jazz but realistically would never have gotten the opportunity to do that in Cleveland, and Ochai Agbaji who although is a solid player has a limited ceiling. The Cavs didn't give up that much for Mitchell and their young core(Garland, Okoro?, Mobley, and Allen) is intact
For the Timberwolves, I wish we would give them more than one season before we start judging the trade. People fail to mention the circumstances surrounding this season for the Timberwolves. First, Karl-Anthony Towns got an illness just before training camp that caused him to miss most of training camp and lose 20 lbs. He started the season under his usual game weight. Not only that, but also he was adjusting to a new role as a PF. He was being asked to play a different role so his struggles to quickly adjust to it, especially with the missed training camp and lower game weight make sense. Then he gets hurt and misses 50+ games once again cutting into his adjustment period
Point is, we never gave the Timberwolves a proper adjustment period. For me, I am confident in this team and believe they will be a Top 5 seed next year once they get a full offseason and training camp as well as some small roster improvements.
One year is way too soon to write a trade off as a mistake. I also hope these trades and trades before them do not dissuade other teams from making trades. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business and you never make it far in a business without taking risks. Sometimes they fail, but more often than not they succeed
Cleveland needs Mobley to become the number 1 guy. And they need a wing, maybe Cam Johnson.
Cavs made a great move, they are super young with two to three all stars
Rockets are going for Jaylen Brown first before Harden
As a Cavs fan, im not worried long term, i am a little pissed that Spida is only 6'1 but its fine. The bench and the 3 will come. I hope Mobley doesn't just become a rim running big (i doubt he will). Im more uncertain about Jarrett Allen.
Missing other angle..for example Nets want smoke with superstars..
All do respect, but you’re acting like Cleveland traded for an aging Bradley Beal. We went and got a young, up and coming sg (who’s arguably the best in the league at his position). In addition to that, we have $57.3 million in expiring salary this off season that we can reallocate into signing 3 of the following guys: Caris LeVert, Rui Hachimura, Cam Johnson, Josh Hart, Harrison Barnes, (the list can go on). I think Cleveland made an incredible decision in brining in Mitchell. The other aspect of this is Cleveland is a small market. Superstars aren’t coming here on free agency, we either have to draft them or trade for them. To call the Cleveland trade a potential mistake is a little ridiculous. (You did say you think we’re fine). All in all, good video I love the content!
I don't see Harden back to Houston unless they'd offer him super max 5 years.
Memphis and Nuggets haven't done a trade like that. You have to be pantience and be sure what players you have. I'm not quite sure yet if Mobley is a superstar, Knicks eliminating Cavs in 5 is tought.
Imma keep it a buck with you Tucker, the new thumbnails really throw me off and give off a shitty vibe. I understand you’re trying to pump out content during the playoffs, but they’re just so clickbait-y it throws me off
I think the ship has sailed for a good Dame deal. Unless it's for a truly ready, win-now team. That BKN idea will just gut that roster and not really make them contenders. Apologies to Dame and BKN, but they don't really the drawing power to attract still-relevant, ring-chasing vets to put them over.
Imagine Cavs moving Lauri away as a roster filler and a total afterthought in Mitchell trade. He was misused much like at Bulls as a 4:th option only as catch and shoot player. Their front court has all the defensive talent. With Garland the back court was OK'ish if supplemented with a taller role player quard and some playmaking ability.
They had almost all the pieces together, without realizing that and not having a need to trade away all that draft capital.
The point of the video stands. Maybe not always wise to try rushing development of a young team.
Karl Anthony Towns to the Nets
Cavs need to get a guy like OG he can give you 15/20 and play strong defense
Mitchell and Gobert, still starring in the "First Rounders Club" 😂
I feel like these trades were giving up way to much youth talent and draft picks over developing their teams and adding role players the decided to add big time stars and results in them either failing success or being a few pieces short in the playoffs like the Timberwolves and cavs
I might piss some people off with this one… but my predictions 🔮 is that 2024 season 🏀 Steph Curry will have to face up with #johnnyx100. Im sorry i said it. Draft pick of the year!!! Chicago Bulls is back!!!!!!
did Mitchell say he wanted out of Utah when they didn't do well enough? oh, he didn't?
I feel like the problem with the Mitchell trade is that they have 2 undersized guards starting. OKC has 2 very tall long guards that can guard up. Mitchell is an absolute freak of nature athletically, and has wingspan no other player has for his size… however, he Cleveland needs more size starting in the backcourt. Like Markelle Fultz could be a beast beside Mitchell, and Garland would kill it in Orlando.
I’m not an Orlando fan, but I’d love to see them land the #2 pick and get Scoot Henderson. That team would be ELECTRIC.
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100% facts BUT if you turn down a donovan mitchell because you arent quite ready there is no guarantee there will be a donovan mitchell available when you are.
Minnesota had a wonky year. There was no consistency. I'm fine running it back with a fully healthy roster. I know there are tons of KAT trade rumors, so we'll see how the summer goes.
“If you could get someone like Damian Lillard and not give up the core of your team…”
Stop. Not gonna happen. If the Blazers are going to trade Dame, especially in this off season or upcoming season, they’re going to expect a king’s ransom in return.
I think the prime example of trying to build too fast is the Dallas Mavericks with the Porzingas trade that is still effecting them and limits what they can do. They are still trying to piece things together to build a compitent roster from the mess up of previous front office did.
The Mitchell trade wasn’t bad. 4/5 seed matchups in the playoffs are usually teams that are closer together talent wise. The Knicks are a really good team. In the case of Minnesota, they need to decide if they are going to go with KAT or Edwards. I’d try to flip KAT.
That gobert trade was dog chit then and its a double pile of doo doo now
Like even if they only gave up half of whay they did itd been a bad trade lol
I still think the Mitchell trade was a good move for the cavs
When a guy like Mitchell becomes available you gotta go get him, esp for a team like the cavs that arent a free agent destination
Mitchel didnt look fantastic it looked like cleveland. Decent. They didnt get a number 1 seed or anything. I didnt like the trade i didnt think hed move clevelands needle and he didnt.
I would rather have a washing machine than Ben Simmons
No way you can say Mitchell was a mistake cavs just need a wing and they’ll be true contenders
Rudy Gobert is the only player more overrated than Russel Westbrook.
Mitchell has an out in 2 years. I'd he leaves this trade becomes one of the worse.
Comparing Cleveland’s situation to Minnesota and Brooklyn’s situation is INSANELY premature