Just read this article from the Globe, saying that championship teams need multiple ways to win.
But I guess I don’t understand the issue here when the Warriors have proven that you can live and die by the 3 and win multiple rings. What else do they have? They shoot 3s. They won championships.
You can live and die by the 3, but you need quality shots. That’s the difference. The Warriors have an offensive scheme. The Celtics don’t. So you have no way to get open shots other than Jaylen trying to go through his legs and dribbling off his foot, or Tatum taking step back 3s.
It’s an offensive scheme issue, not a 3 point issue.
by paraplegic_T_Rex
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Do not compare us to the Warriors who have 2 of the best shooters of all time. Lol
I do not trust his style of offense. Too much iso play, not enough ball movement. Too much reliance on JT/JB iso plays. Defensive effort is unmotivated, perhaps by design; going under screens was definitely not an answer.
Duh. Whoever thought you can win a championship playing this way is silly. We’re not the Warriors
Warriors won in 2015 because Kyrie and Love were out, leaving Lebron with scrubs and still took them to 6 games. Iguadala was also huge for them that series getting to the rim and midrange.
They won 2017 and 2018 because they added Durant which gave them more offensive diversity and options than just the 3
They won 2022 because the Celtics are soft
I think in a world where Tatum and Brown didn’t see their shooting fall off a cliff it could’ve been, but we don’t live in that world. We need them to be able to consistently win us games shooting over drop coverage and zones or else we’ll just keep faltering out when an opponent has better shooting luck.
You can live and die by the 3 when you have the splash bros
We have tatum and brown who shoot maybe 35% from 3
The Heat literally are in the Finals because of insanely hot shooting from 3 in two series
Caleb Martin got hot. Celtics shot 22% from 3 pt land. Shots just wouldn’t fall
I don’t mind shooting a lot of 3s I mind the type of 3s.
Good stuff from Lynn’s Chris Gasper:
>The Golden State East identity isn’t working. The Warriors are the only team to win championships the way the Celtics are playing. The Dubs have two of the elite shooters in NBA history in Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. The Celtics don’t.
>Something has to change, either the team’s three-for-all mentality, personality, personnel, or coach.
>The Celtics were a team built on basketball’s ultimate shortcut, the 3-pointer.
>But there are no shortcuts to a championship.
I agree the actual offensive scheme is a bigger issue than simplistically saying ‘stop shooting so many 3s’.
Curry is the best shooter of all time but how often do you see him just walking up the court dribbling the ball between his legs then shooting a contested 3? Very rarely. How often did you see Tatum doing it these playoffs? How often do you see Curry running around all over the place off the ball utilising screens? All the time. How often did you see our guys doing it? Never.
Incredibly disingenuous to say that all the warriors have had was 3pt shooting tbh. They won their first ring with pick and supreme off ball movement to where they were getting either really good drives off of cuts and dribble penetration or really good looks from three while also having guys like Livingston, bogut, Barnes speights, etc able to make teams pay as a pick and pop threat in the mid range. The ultimate form of this was when they had KD and were basically elite at all 3 levels of offense.
Warriors did NOT live and die by 3s in their dynasty, not this current version. They actually have a complicated offensive system. They have pass and cut, mid range games, and Kerr’s in game adjustments, stable offensive power when 3s are not falling. We don’t. We are one-dimensional. This article expresses what I’ve been feeling since the regular season.
warriors have a generational talent and possibly the greatest shooter of all time beyond the arc. Clay Thompson is also very good.
We don’t have shooters on their level.
GS ruined the league because moron execs and coaches across the league think what they did can just be replicated.
Change the personnel or change the scheme, I don’t care which. What happened last night wasn’t good enough to win an AAU tournament.
Well no shit
Well no shit
Imagine comparing the Mazzulla Ball 2023 Celtics to the best shooting duo of all time.
Jaylen Brown shot 33% on 7 3PA from 3 this year – same % as Marcus Smart, btw. 7 3PA is Klay’s career average, but he averages 41% on that volume…
Tatum shot 35% from 3 this year on the same volume as Steph’s career average of 9 3PA. Steph averages nearly 43% on that volume for his career.
Steph Curry and Klay Thompson have NEVER had a single season even close to as poor shooting as what either of our stars had this year, and in fact, neither has had a single season worse than either of our guys’ career averages from 3. The vast majority of their seasons have been over 40% on similar volume to what our guys shot this year, but only Tatum has even had one season over 40%.
It’s simply idiotic to compare our team to the Warriors. What works for them is not a blueprint for our 35% and 33% high volume shooters to copy. The Celtics are not even in the same realm as the Warriors…
Warriors offense actually schemes to get their already great shooters open.
Offball movement, backside motions, proper screens all help Steph and Klay get good looks. It’s not just jacking a three every time down the court.
This is the problem with analytics taking over the game. People think that you can just mimic what the warriors did. The warriors live by the three because they have two of the best shooters of all time. Analytics also can predict shit like what the heat have done. Their players hit virtually every good look despite shooting terribly in the regular season. Teams catching lightening in a bottle during the postseason cannot be explained other than pure will power. What the Celtics desperately need is an emphasis on defense and actual schemes on offense.
This was the number two offense throughout the regular season.
Yes, three-point shooting creates variance, but you can win through variance (although perhaps not the 25% v. 50% variance we faced in the last two games of the heat series) with a three-point heavy offense as long as your defense is good. Our defense was not good. That’s the problem.
I don’t think it’s the three by itself it’s the way you take and make em. You need a playmaker who can set guys up when they’re being taken out of their bag (or being forced right).
Miami is quite literally in the finals living on the 3.
Is this a shitpost?
Did OP seriously just say we should employ the same strategy as a team with the best 3pt shooter of all time who is also a top 5 all time pg, along with another of the top 5 all time 3 point shooters
This is a braindead take.
hell it wouldnt work for a CYO team. dummies dig in. good coaches adapt
They take open threes all the time. Have you watched the Celtics play?
They also brick wide open threes all the time. It’s an offensive scheme issue because the offensive scheme has decayed into chucking threes and not getting in the paint to grab rebounds.
It’s a lazy, defeatist way of playing basketball, and the *only* reason it works for GS is because they have the two greatest shooters *in NBA history*.
This team needs to develop a midrange game, *yesterday*.
Wherever the threeball edict is coming from, that’s the problem. Is this coming from the players? The coach? Brad?
Maz is a chip off Brad’s shoulder and why Brad chose him… He runs Brad’s I and that means continuity in Brad’s eyes…
The scheme both are so in love with is D’Antoni BB… Run-n-gun on a ISO ball scheme, hang others in the arch, drive and either draw the foul, or kick it out for a 3…
Nash in PHX and Harden in Houston ran it for D’Antoni… And neither has a chip… And that was 5 long years for PHX, and 4 long ones for Houston… Not to include Knicks and Lakers…
Not 1 run-n-gun team has won a chip…
And yet… People want to keep Brad and Maz…
Enjoy the losing seasons… It’s gonna be many with 2 $500+M players that cause the C’s to be mortgaged… And a failed BB style of play…
Y’all can look it up yourselves…
This is exactly why we need another coach
The warriors would tell you that their success came from a defensive focus and using their 3 point shooting to open up looks in the paint and, when they had Durant or even Livingston, mid range shooting.
It was just Daryl Morey/D’Antoni “launch as many threes as quickly as possible.”
The article was right man. We can’t have an identity that is solely focused on 3 pointers.