-**It was clear Fred’s baseline was 30 million and 100 million, so in the 3/100 range, Raptors would’ve gone to 4 years with a partial guarantee in the fourth year, and that’s where they drew a line**
-His understanding was that the meeting was really good
-He said that the Raptors thought Harden was going back to Houston, which would’ve brought Fred returning.
-Their max was about 100 guaranteed
-**All along Houston 2/83 was evident, but once it became clear to Houston that the Raptors would offer a 4th year, Houston put in the 3rd year and that caught people off guard, then it was done**
-There’s communication beforehand (on Schroeder), if something happens we’ll turn to you, and we need know right away if that’s something they want to do
-They had some conversations with Gabe Vincent beforehand, but Schroeder was their first preference if Fred didn’t work out
-They still kinda think they can run it back with Schroeder, they do believe in what they have
-**There’s alot of noise around Pascal Siakam. I’m not convinced that an extension for Pascal Siakam from the Raptors is forthcoming. There’s a real possibility that there’s some movement there. Not saying he wouldn’t come back to the Raptors or differences that can’t be fixed, but they’re really examining, Pascal’s position is very clear, his biggest extension can be in Toronto**
-There’s a discussion happening on what shape this team going to take, and if there’s going to be a move it’s going to involve Pascal Siakam and it could happen with an extension or in advance of an extension
-**The discussion is really about how to turn this team seamlessly and most efficiently into something that is a little more built around Scottie and I think in that context, with Schroeder coming aboard, he thinks Barnes is a high priority for getting reps and touches as you can**
-He thinks there’s a window where the best opportunity for this team is to look at Siakam and see what kind of moves would be there out for him. There’s tons of interest league wide in him waiting to see what would happen
-**Dejounte would be your first ask. If it’s not him then you discuss further and get other teams involved and see what’s out there. If it’s Atlanta and they’re the one that keeps making it known that they’re interested, it would see to him that a guy like Dejounte Murray… the understanding is that if they were in a trade there would be an extension that’s one option… otherwise you see other iterations that people together with Bufkin and some variety of their other younger players. Maybe that’s the way you go too you don’t get the headliner, get the money taken with a couple of less meaningful pieces but the main target is some of their young talent**
-**That would be more of a reset of this group towards the U25 crowd from OG down, people have to recognize that a guy in Siakam, the notion of getting 5 1sts, that’s not happening anymore in this CBA**
-You gotta be realistic in your expectations, and the timing is everything with Siakam and a possible trade
-Do you forge ahead and get it done this summer so the new coaching staff can know what they’re working with from the get-go
-**One way or another I think there’s probably going to be clarity in the coming week, don’t think this is a situation that’s going to drag and drag (I.e. extension or trade)**
CazOnReddit
Highkin – The Blazers immediately re-engaged with the Raptors on OG after Fred left and offered Simons + picks, but Masai wasn’t interested and instead pivoted to signing Dennis Schroder.
AlexRescueDotCom
I think it’s time we part ways with Siakam. Let him get another ring or two somewhere. The idea of everyone on our team being U25 is awesome. Memes will be rolling on by the hour.
RZAAMRIINF
> I’m not convinced that an extension for Pascal Siakam from the Raptors is forthcoming.
This is a pretty wild turn in the Raptors drama. I think the FO is now trying to show Pascal they have leverage.
To be honest, I would prefer the FO and Pascal’s camp to work together on a new home or an extension, but at least the FO is seemingly starting to show some backbone.
ogDarkShark
I wonder if siakam’s loyalty is related to the amount of money he can get if he signs a Supermax.
Ylissian
I’m of the opinion that if Siakam was coming back, he’d have been extended by now. For me it’s not a question of if he’s gone or not, but where he’s going and what we’re getting back.
naveedhahmad
So much Pascal smoke I can’t breathe.
Gonnatapdatass
James Harden on the Raptors
Barnicus53
I’m totally down for Murray being a Raptor. Having him, Scottie, OG and Yak together would be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams.
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Paraphrased Notes:
Grange:
-**It was clear Fred’s baseline was 30 million and 100 million, so in the 3/100 range, Raptors would’ve gone to 4 years with a partial guarantee in the fourth year, and that’s where they drew a line**
-His understanding was that the meeting was really good
-He said that the Raptors thought Harden was going back to Houston, which would’ve brought Fred returning.
-Their max was about 100 guaranteed
-**All along Houston 2/83 was evident, but once it became clear to Houston that the Raptors would offer a 4th year, Houston put in the 3rd year and that caught people off guard, then it was done**
-There’s communication beforehand (on Schroeder), if something happens we’ll turn to you, and we need know right away if that’s something they want to do
-They had some conversations with Gabe Vincent beforehand, but Schroeder was their first preference if Fred didn’t work out
-They still kinda think they can run it back with Schroeder, they do believe in what they have
-**There’s alot of noise around Pascal Siakam. I’m not convinced that an extension for Pascal Siakam from the Raptors is forthcoming. There’s a real possibility that there’s some movement there. Not saying he wouldn’t come back to the Raptors or differences that can’t be fixed, but they’re really examining, Pascal’s position is very clear, his biggest extension can be in Toronto**
-There’s a discussion happening on what shape this team going to take, and if there’s going to be a move it’s going to involve Pascal Siakam and it could happen with an extension or in advance of an extension
-**The discussion is really about how to turn this team seamlessly and most efficiently into something that is a little more built around Scottie and I think in that context, with Schroeder coming aboard, he thinks Barnes is a high priority for getting reps and touches as you can**
-He thinks there’s a window where the best opportunity for this team is to look at Siakam and see what kind of moves would be there out for him. There’s tons of interest league wide in him waiting to see what would happen
-**Dejounte would be your first ask. If it’s not him then you discuss further and get other teams involved and see what’s out there. If it’s Atlanta and they’re the one that keeps making it known that they’re interested, it would see to him that a guy like Dejounte Murray… the understanding is that if they were in a trade there would be an extension that’s one option… otherwise you see other iterations that people together with Bufkin and some variety of their other younger players. Maybe that’s the way you go too you don’t get the headliner, get the money taken with a couple of less meaningful pieces but the main target is some of their young talent**
-**That would be more of a reset of this group towards the U25 crowd from OG down, people have to recognize that a guy in Siakam, the notion of getting 5 1sts, that’s not happening anymore in this CBA**
-You gotta be realistic in your expectations, and the timing is everything with Siakam and a possible trade
-Do you forge ahead and get it done this summer so the new coaching staff can know what they’re working with from the get-go
-**One way or another I think there’s probably going to be clarity in the coming week, don’t think this is a situation that’s going to drag and drag (I.e. extension or trade)**
Highkin – The Blazers immediately re-engaged with the Raptors on OG after Fred left and offered Simons + picks, but Masai wasn’t interested and instead pivoted to signing Dennis Schroder.
I think it’s time we part ways with Siakam. Let him get another ring or two somewhere. The idea of everyone on our team being U25 is awesome. Memes will be rolling on by the hour.
> I’m not convinced that an extension for Pascal Siakam from the Raptors is forthcoming.
This is a pretty wild turn in the Raptors drama. I think the FO is now trying to show Pascal they have leverage.
To be honest, I would prefer the FO and Pascal’s camp to work together on a new home or an extension, but at least the FO is seemingly starting to show some backbone.
I wonder if siakam’s loyalty is related to the amount of money he can get if he signs a Supermax.
I’m of the opinion that if Siakam was coming back, he’d have been extended by now. For me it’s not a question of if he’s gone or not, but where he’s going and what we’re getting back.
So much Pascal smoke I can’t breathe.
James Harden on the Raptors
I’m totally down for Murray being a Raptor. Having him, Scottie, OG and Yak together would be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams.
,,,yuu