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The Problem With Trae Young…



The Problem With Trae Young…

I want to talk today about Trey young the trade deadline is coming up there’s been a lot of discussion about Trey Young and the Atlanta Hawks um they are having a relatively disappointing season so far um Trey young is 25 26 they traded for Deon Murray last season

Hoping that that’s the star power that’s the that’s the duo that will put Atlanta to that next level and it just looks like it hasn’t been working I just I’mma just keep it a stack so I want to shout out to hardwood for this video right here the Trey young problem explained go

Ahead and show some love to his channel links will be in the description but um hey man let’s get into it Spurs news tonight dejon Murray traded away to Atlanta for three future first round picks this definitely the most young exciting back court in the East am I

Wrong in thinking like the Hawks that’s the best back court in the NBA righta Hawks at their Peak what does that look like the talent we have and just everything around if we could put it together top three team in the East I really believe that

We we got to stop doing interviews with Taylor Rooks man she be getting the quotes out of y’all and I know why I like Taylor Rooks too so finally able to turn out the lights on itl win a championship you know what I’m saying not just not just be in the

Picture just be in the running like I want to come into the season like people look at that they can they can win and they got a chance now dropped five consective games essentially anyone other than Trey young and and now Jaylen Johnson’s coming on as kind of a

Foundational piece for them everybody else that includes Murray should be available fair to say after a year and a half that transaction is not one that you would want to sort of do again if you were the Hawks ever since making the 2021 Eastern Conference Finals Trey Young and the

Atlanta Hawks have had disappointing season after disappointing season and after about a third of the way into the 2023 2024 NBA season it’s looking to be another one of those Seasons as they’re sitting at 14 and 19 currently but what it feels like nobody’s talking about I I

Was high on the Hogs going into the season dog um cuz I I saw something against the Celtics like I really thought they were you know this was the the start of something new kind of like what Phoenix were in the bubble um like oh I saw something that

They can build on this um but it turns out at least the way it’s looking like right now the Celtics just played down to the competition like it really should have been a sweep but the Celtics were bullshitting for a couple games Trey young had that one game half court

Gamewinner ice dagger ice tray and um you know they they overachieved but it’s not looking good man is how incredible of a season Trey young is having at 25 years old he’s averaging 28.2 points per game and 11.3 assists so who’s to blame for the Atlanta Hawks continual disappointment and where

Should they yeah not not too much on Trey young 2 bro not too much on Trey young 2 I’m not trying to pause that much but I am trying to pause that much but yo the tray young conversations at the start of this season uh were nasty as

Heck um especially with Tyrese going off too people were so ready to write off Trey young in these top point guard convers ations um that it was kind of it was kind of crazy now to be fair his start to the season was pretty abysmal if we

Look at I don’t know this this 11 game stretch right here we’re looking at 23 points 11 assists 36% from the field 28% from three hey still great at the line though but regardless 23 points on really really bad efficiency but still being a really good passer when it when

We were looking at a TI recent what he was doing at the beginning of the Season Steph being Steph Luka being Luca Shay being Shay um you know dear being de Aon it looks like very very fast Trey young was slipping in these conversations but I’m not going to lie

Ever since this game Trey young Trey Young’s been going crazy um to the tune of 30 points 11 11 assists um bill go percentage went way up to 46% 3o percentage went way up to being closer to 40 at 30 38.8% and free throw percentage actually went down but that’s fine because it’s

Still at 83 but yeah TR Trey young Trey young has been balling the [ __ ] out and um is quietly having the best season of his career um arguably next to 20122 where he put up 28 and 10 on the best efficiency of his career but even this season is giving that season a

A run forward some money in my opinion and I would honestly lean towards this season because of that the the playmaking difference but hey shout out to try though shout out to Trey they even go from here today in this video we will dive into how the Atlanta Hawks are quietly wasting Prime

Trey Young when the Hawks first traded for Trey young in the 2018 draft giving up Luca donic and gaining Trey young and a 2019 first round pick although controversial at the time it seemed like the Hawks were poised to start building something in the Eastern confence after

Two losing records in Trey Young’s first two seasons they would break out during the 2020 2021 season going 41 and 31 and at the time it seemed like the Hawks had a super talented young core they had Trey young at 22 years old Kevin herder at 22 DeAndre Hunter 23 John Collins 23

Cam reddish 21 not to mention Clint capella 26 years old they acquired in a trade and signing Bogdan bogdanovich they would finish fifth in the Eastern Conference That season defeat the Knicks in five games in the first round and then shock the NBA World in a game seven

That broke Ben Simmons defeating the number one seed Philadelphia 76ers although they would fall to Giannis and the Milwaukee Bucks in six games the future was bright for Atlanta they had their superstar in Trey young they had draft Capital they had their young and V in pieces around him but then 2022 they

Would take a little bit of a step back going 43 and 39 finishing 9th making the play in and ending up getting the eight seed in the 2022 playoffs where they would lose in five games to the Miami Heat try young would have an absolutely abysmal series averaging 15 points per

Game on a shocking 30 but I’ve never been so sure that Trey young was going to get clamped though cuz this team defensively was crazy dog that 2022 Heat team def defensively oo that was a team that was a team 2% from the field that offseason they would make some adjustments trading

Kevin herder to the Kings acquiring in a blockbuster deal dejonte Murray from the San Antonio Spurs coming off an Allstar season basically for three firsts but yet they’d have a very similar result going 41 and 41 finishing eighth in the Eastern Conference somehow beating the

Heat in the 78 playin game but losing in opening round in a six-game series versus the Boston Celtics and at this point we started to wonder what is Atlanta’s plan from here they had made a de you you know what’s crazy with Atlanta and maybe this is a hot take but I feel

Like there’s certain moves in history where hindsight is 2020 right where the outcomes Define your legacy essentially but I think in the moment the moves that Atlanta was making was not the craziest moves in my opinion in my opinion cuz you know essentially when

You a lot of things in life are a gamble a lot of things in life are probability based right especially the NBA a lot of things are probability but sometimes on that 7030 wheel and you flick that that timer thing the probability is 7030 and you just land on the

30 and that happens back to back times that happens back to back to back times and I think for the Hawks a lot of what has happened might just be that it might just be that um because again the the way he laid it out off of that 2021

Team it looks like they were relatively ready to win pretty soon if they just added another star to the team and I think dejon Murray given the timeline of Deonte Murray’s career he had the potential to be that guy he had the potential to be the backcourt pairing that Trey young needed

He had the potential to be the the shot Creator alongside Trey young that Trey young needed um Deonte Murray has also improved from the three-point line um ever since he came to the Hawks unless I’m tripping but um let’s let’s look at the num yeah um de Jon Murray shooting

39% he’s having his best shooting season uh so far this season the I think the thing that has disappointed a lot of Atlanta Hawks fans is the regression on defense that Deonte Murray had and also it’s just cuz he’s playing more off Ball but I’m looking at these numbers God damn I

Mean 25-year-old putting up 219 and8 with two steals I don’t think that was the worst trade in the world dog I’m I’m I’m a keep it a stack I’m a keep it a stack I don’t think that was the worst trade in the world um shout out to dejon Murray like

Not too much on dejonte Murray bro but hey recently risky move that off season to acquire a rising star alongside Trey but yet they would get pretty much the same results matter of fact they were second in the league in offensive rating and 26th in defense in

2022 and then we’re seventh in offensive rating and 22nd in defense in 2023 and would actually drop four spots in net rating and that brings us to the 2023 2024 season where the Hawks are 14 and 20 they’ve been terrible at home this year had a pretty poor December but yet

Quietly with no one really paying attention Trey young is having arguably the best season of his career averaging 28 their their defense has just been atrocious too like I’m I’m going to keep it a stack um I think after that 2021 season they were expecting DeAndre

Hunter and cam Rish to take some sort of leap defensively and Clint capella to to stay where he was at um John Collins as well but what has panned out is yeah they just gave up on those players development and they just wanted to go offensive

Heavy and I think Trey young can be a part of a very offensively oriented and successful team but the other parts of the team just can’t hang I’m sorry as outside of dejon Murray and um Whatchamacallit and and bojan bonovich rest of the team can’t can’t hang in a Sacramento King style offense

I’m I’m sorry um and defensively you all know defensively I just want I I just want to see Trey Young on a team with good defense dog like I think that would be very interesting point2 points per game and 11.3 assists which is good for second in the league behind Tyrese

Halberton but he’s also hitting 38% of his threes on a whopping 9.3 attempts per game matter of fact in December alone Trey averaged 30.4 points per game 12.2 assists per game on 48 42 84 splits becoming the only player to average 30 and 12 over a month in the three-point

Era yet the Hawks would go 4 and 10 in December and as much hype as Trey young was getting in 2021 in 2022 after a Down Season last year by his standards he’s completely back to 2021 Trey but yet nobody’s talking about it and obviously that’s because the Hawks just aren’t

That good of a team so who is the blame for this let’s take a look at their roster first and foremost the demise of John Collins is something that is somewhat puzzling I know he had that weird finger injury in his last season with Atlanta the team didn’t want him to

Get surgery he played through it but two to three years ago nobody saw this coming for John Collins it’s really a sad story as he’s now a below average NBA player in Utah then if we take a look at bogy he may be 31 but he’s

Surely not showing any sign bogy a dog I’m pretty sure this game right here I was at Bogie’s a dog I I like bogy bogy is one of those players that I think on a on a championship Contender will be amazing there’s a couple of those

Players in the league kind of like what Aaron Gordon was to the Denver Nuggets last season and still to this day but Bogie’s one of them for me another one Terry Rosier put Terry Rosier on a championship content i s i swe to God he’d cook I swear to God he’d cook of

Slowing down averaging 17.7 points per game shooting 38% from three as well on almost attempts per game he’s also having one of the best seasons of his career and is one of the favorites for Sixth Man of the Year then we have Jaylen Johnson the 20th overall pick in

2021 having an absolutely breakout season if you have not watched Jaylen Johnson this year I encourage you to go check out some highlights he’s absolutely balling check out this poster he had on chat last night in a game where Atlanta beat the Oklahoma City Thunder and he had 28 points seven

Rebounds four Steals and shot 61% from the field this man went from averaging 5.6 points per game last year in only 15 minutes of play and shooting 29% from three it’s now playing 30 minutes a game 15.3 points 8.1 rebounds 41% from three shooting 59.6% add Jaylen Johnson to that uh High

Powerered offense by the way from the field with an insane true shooting percentage of 67.7% Jaylen Johnson and bogy are not the problem even Clint capella has been fine to above average this year he’s pretty much been the same player statistically for the past three seasons

However he is $20 million and almost 30 the Hawks should consider moving him at the deadline depending on what offers are actually out there when it does come to issues on this team let’s start with maybe not the biggest one but certainly an issue DeAndre Hunter he was drafted

Fourth overall Atlanta made a pretty big move for him now luckily they had taken Jackson Hayes at 8 so it still was a good trade looking back on it even now however what happened to DeAndre Hunter’s supposed 3 and D utility this man has been absolutely abysmal on Def

Defense this year he has the worst defensive rating of anyone on his team that plays over 11 minutes per game and he hasn’t even been remotely a good Defender since 2021 now he’s shooting the crap out of the ball this year so we have to give him that a career high

40.4% from three on a career high in attempts he has been sidelined for the past couple weeks with a knee injury but I feel like if you’re Landry Fields the Hawks GM you have to move him at the deadline he’s not serving your team in

The long run and the type of team that you need to build around Jaylen Johnson and Trey young and when it comes to AJ Griffin I don’t even know what’s going on with AJ if you’re not familiar he had a pretty good rookie season last year as

The 16th pick in the 2022 NBA and this season he’s just not in the rotation barely playing and he did have a stretch I know a couple weeks ago where he was out for personal reasons but he’s been back for three or four games and he’s recording dnps at this point my

Assumption is that Quinn Snider has just deemed his defense completely unplayable but I’m hoping post trade deadline if the Hawks do in fact sell a couple pieces that AJ will get 18 to 20 minutes a night the rest of the season so that Atlanta can at least see what they have

In him let him develop and see if he can come out of this sophomore slump at the end of the day the two biggest pieces of blame I’m putting on the Hawks starts with number one dejonte Murray it’s time to trade him I’m not exactly sure what

The Hawks could get for deante but if you can get 50 cents on the dollar for what you paid for him I think you have to do it his contract’s going up next season 7 or $8 million plus it’s just quite clear to me that deante Murray

Does not fit this team as long as you have Trey young and shooting this is going to be a good offensive team you don’t need more offense in my opinion you need defense and dejonte Murray has been pretty average defensively for the past two seasons with the Hawks and even

If you go into some Advanced metrics including I think I think people got fooled with how good dejonte Murray was in San Antonio um I I remember the conversations people were having about Deonte Murray being lamp lamp for real um but I think Atlanta thought that Deon

Murray was supposed to be this Kawai Leonard figure that was supposed to carry you on defense you know what I’m saying um and he just didn’t turn out to be that guy if anything he became more offensively oriented than than what people expected I think that’s that’s a

Part of those things that they assessed and it just didn’t turn out to be true EPM and defensive EPM heck even defensive rating with the Spurs he wasn’t that great he just filled the stat sheet by Leading the league in steals That season as I was finishing up

This video a report came out yesterday that the Atlanta Hawks are open to trading anybody on their roster not named Trey young and Jaylen Johnson which I believe is 100% the correct move just a few days ago when I first recorded this video there was talks about them acquiring Pascal cakam being

Buyers at the trade deadline forcing this roster construction to try to compete more which I thought was a huge mistake so for Trey Young’s sake for Atlanta Hawks fan sake for Jaylen Johnson’s sake for Quinn Snyder’s sake and for their young pieces like AJ Griffin and Kobe buffkin sake I’m glad

To hear they are willing to trade at the deadline I’ll believe it when I see it you could easily keep keep someone like bogy who’s having a career season and is on a team-friendly contract while still trimming the fat and retooling for the future plus let’s be honest I still

Think this roster can contend for the playing tournament without some of these pieces while setting themselves up better for the next 2 to three years and giving their young guys some time to develop if you’re a Hawks fan what do you think do you want them to stand Pat

At the trade deadline would you actually want them to go out and buy another piece or do you want them to retool and reset around Trey young and Jaylen Johnson I’m confident to say so I think the problem with the Atlanta Hawks is it’s not really a problem I just feel

Like for the Hawks at this point they need to be realistic with what they want like what what are their goals what are their goals um and does building around Trey young meet that meet those goals I think I think that the Atlanta Hawk statistically speaking historically speaking is the definition of mid

Someone said like literally their career wins and losses record is at 500 or like a couple games out of 500 in a thousand game sample size of a franchise you know what I’m saying so they’ve never had a stretch where they’ve been extremely dominant in history couple of stretches

Being a good playoff team but they’ve never had a dominant stretch and I personally think that this is a team similar to the Sacramento Kings and similar to the New York Knicks um where so many so many years of bad basketball being played in front of

Their fans so many so many years of just being at best mid that yo let’s just get the city let’s just get the city buzzing let’s just get the city booming we got that star player right we got that star player that Superstar player that flashy

Player in Trey young that the city has hey taken as their own ice Trade A Game for real for real they got him so I think they should move in the direction of yo let’s let’s just try to let’s just try to build a team um that

Can be competitive for a couple years um Without Really Championship expectations in my opinion cuz even the Knicks I I think they’re trying but and I love Trey young but I’m I’m going stay consistent I don’t think Trey young is is a number one option on a championship winning team championship

Level team maybe but a championship winning team I don’t think you win a championship with Trey young as your best player um and if their goal is to win a championship then I think you re-evaluate the situation because my my my main thing with Trey young is I don’t want his

Prime and we are entering the prime of Trey Young’s career we’ve already been in lowkey but it is what it is we’re entering the prime of Trey Young’s career I don’t want I don’t want us to look back and view Trey young as another Damen ller

Situation you know it may be blowing up blowing it up is Extreme but for me as a fan I just don’t want to see Trey Young’s Prime wasted on a team that realistically speaking with the moves that they can make I just don’t even know what moves they could make that

Would make them into that you know perennial 55 win 5 Wi team that’s going to a bunch of Eastern Conference Finals is like I don’t I don’t know what they could do I don’t know what they could do I think they found a gem and Jaylen

Johnson and I think that is a piece they can move forward with um but realistically speaking I I I I do not think it is a case of blow it up for this team but I also think this team needs to just be realistic with what

They want this team to be I don’t think you can win a I don’t think you can build a championship um Team around Trey young and for for them to get to a point where Trey young is on the team that wins a championship I think they would make

They would need to make some sort of move or there would be some sort of internal Improvement that a a a a player on the team would have to be better than Trey young if that makes sense like I I I can see Trey young being in a Dame

Situation in in a Dame role right I think I think Dame can win in Milwaukee um but for the Hawks being their number one I don’t think that’s realistic I think um that’s being a little bit delusional and um which is fine which is fine you know I think every team can

Can’t be a championship Contender um every team every team’s goals isn’t just win a championship and I I don’t I don’t think Atlanta’s goal right now is to win a championship I I think they found their star I think they’re trying to maximize the years out of their star um

And just look back and say they didn’t waste Trey Young’s uh Prime but it is a tough situation that they’re in and um I just want the to be more defensively focused at the end of the day I think Deonte Murray was a rist that did not pan out because they

Thought Deon Murray defensively was something that um he wasn’t I think um John uh some some of the players showed promise showed potential after 2021 it just didn’t pan out again sometimes the the dice just doesn’t roll in your favor which is tough but it is

What it is and I think that’s why what happened with a DeAndre Hunter I think that’s what happened with a cam Mish I think that’s what happened with um Clint capella to a certain extent I think that’s what happened with John Collins they just rolled down a bad dice

Four straight times in a row but in hindsight like it made sense to take that risk it the risk just didn’t pan out you know I think Quinn Snider was a decent signing Quinn Snider has never been a bad coach in my opinion um it’s just an unfortunate situation

That the Hawks are in in my opinion um but with that being said again shout out to hardwood for the video and I’m going to catch you on the next one man peace

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30 Comments

  1. Coming from a Hawks fan we need a non-ball dominant or able-to-play-off-ball player with good defense or an elite big man and surround Trae with lockdown defenders and shooters so I think we need to 1. have great defenders and shooters and great depth or 2, have great defenders and another non-ball-dominant star or big man. Also, I think Trae can be a number 1 MAYBE if he's surrounded by his INSACT needs yes but that's unrealistic most of the time, we can be a championship-level team with him as our number 1, but I think Trae needs a number 2 that's a great defender and at his level OR you can have Trae as a option 2 and an ELITE, ELITE number 2! Like if trae gets better at defense and becomes like decent or close to it i know that's asking a lot lol I think he might just be like the best PG in the NBA tbh or at least competing with Luka and Curry for it! His size is the only thing holding him back and the only way to be a clear number 1 being that small is getting better at defense!

  2. Id like to open this up for discussion: I think the same skepticism should be placed on Luka too, he might be better than trae but they both had the same career losses since they got drafted. Luka got him beat in stats but ultimately they both are good players who should be taking the next step but never do.

  3. I'm surprised you didn't address his absurd turnover ratio… He's about to overtake Russell Westbrook as having the most turnovers per game of all time… So it makes his assists less impactful… You also didn't bring up his low IQ play… You didn't bring up the reports of his diva behavior and how he gets special permissions to not do things with the rest of the team (not abnormal, BUT it wouldn't leak the way it has unless it's impacted team chemistry)

    Ya… There are a lot more reasons why his empty calorie stats are getting overlooked. He's not too different from a Russell Westbrook, except at least Russ has heart, and plays full throttle (even to his own detriment at times). Can't say the same about Trae

  4. Trae just has to play smarter and not be a complete liability on defense, gotta quit the foul baiting on P&R’s stopping and making the defender run into his back that shit can only work for so long and on the defensive end he’s gotta make better reads and be more aware of

  5. I don't think trae young is a huge star but i don't fully blame him for the team's failures. The team was never good and front office isn't very good

  6. 21,9,8 it’s pretty fye, I think they’d actually do better if they move off Trey. 18:00 didn’t think it was a kawhii type but at least a ball stopper

  7. Trae has had a bunch of scrubs around him. Cant really say if hes a winning player or not.

    I do like his game though.

  8. Stop comparing my Knicks to these poverty franchises. I understand you are young as fuck but we still have two rings

  9. The problem with the Hawks is Trae Young is their main guy..and they haven't built a team around him..

    They've built a good team..but they haven't built a team that takes advantage of his strengths and covers his weakness's

    Trae is a bad defender..so you need to soround him with good defenders to cover that weakness..

    He's a good passer..put some lob threat players in the mix..and some paint players with him..

    Dejonte Murray is just a lesser version of Trae so he doesn't fit..he can score but he doesn't really augment the team much

    Someone like Julius Randall would be a great fit for him

    When your main guy is playing as good as Trae..you should be winning more games..if your not..it's a sign your team construction is off.

  10. Being a small point guard is tough, they don't usually win championships. Look at CP3 and Steph Curry, 2 examples on both ends, both all time greats.

  11. Trae young is the modern day Boston Celtics Isaiah Thomas . Good for regular season and putting up stats but that’s it. Their 2021 playoff run was due to a lot of technicalities favoring them . Which is why they havent done anything since.

  12. As a Celtics fan and Jaylen brown supporter I feel like Trae for brown trade and give them a first round pick the Celtics would be better sadly cause Jayson could just be a scorer and Trae could be the passer and brown can have his own team

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