Is Dejounte Murray a Nets trade target? What this move would mean for Brooklyn

Is Dejounte Murray a Nets trade target? What this move would mean for Brooklyn

Coming up with the reporting heating up around one dejonte Murray potentially moving on from the Atlanta Hawks we dive in on if Brooklyn should be a Suitor what the price point would be and what it would mean for the short and long-term future of the Brooklyn Nets we dive in coming up

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Doug is exactly where every team that’s basically losing every game they playing finds themselves right now thinking about being buyers at the trade deadline it’s ‘re heating up on trade season and we knew the Nets were going to be uh in these discussions whether you know sort of coming or going it’s a

Little hard to tell where they are they’ve been rumored to you know wanting to be big game hunting when it comes to Stars there’s also the idea that they could sell off some of the veterans here at the trade deadline uh there are a lot of question marks

Around the Nets and one of the guys and I and I think they’ll be brought up in most discussions whenever someone like from another team of any talent and age on the younger side shakes loose but they are being assets for so many different reasons the Nets in those

Discussion points yeah and they just need they need to upgrade their talent right no matter what so um so I think you’ll hear them in and around all these discussions and then you know Deonte Murray is rumored to be possibly on the move from Atlanta and multiple sources

Have been multiple you know just different uh personalities and informed people have been mentioning Deonte Murray when mentioning the Nets when it comes to Deonte Murray Jake fiser from Yahoo mentioned it uh saying that there was no real traction but that it just made a lot of sense and then Brian wior

Who’s you know as dialed in as it gets mentioned to keep an eye on the Nets in a recent podcast uh interview as well so I don’t know if we’re saying things are heating up on the dejonte Murray front but clearly if he is put on the market

You have to assume the Nets are going to at least be part of the discussions and we could talk about what that would would mean if they were to try to land him yeah I I think just from a high level standpoint Murray right age range

If we’re talking about the you know male Bridges Cameron Johnson core of this team and that may frustrate anet’s fans to a certain degree about that being what they want to do going forward but if you think about he fits the timeline the contract is nothing where where

You’d be too concerned about in the short or long term whether or not it fit in and it helped the Nets win more basketball games and they thought there’s something to be said here for the future with this core or looking at his contract and knowing that going all

The way even though it’s a player option in 2027 31 a half million the numbers are not bad so you can plug him in here and you can also look at him from a fit standpoint and say hey we have a little B bit more of a opportunity to set

Ourselves up from a ball handling standpoint think about them more in a San Antonio Spurs kind of statline than we think about him in Atlanta and it’d be an opportunity potentially as we’ll discuss to maybe move off of some pieces that the Nets currently have that aren’t

Going to hold value Beyond this year as well yeah and like from the Hawks perspective when it comes to Murray they’ve clearly seen they you know they tried the Murray plus Trey thing it’s just not really working um they it seems like they want the Trey is the person

They’re going to keep at this point I think that makes sense that he’s just better and so um you know moving on from Murray it makes sense from their standpoint but it’s not even necessarily like a knock on Deonte Murray that they would be moving on from him it’s more

Like an admission that we tried this you know dual guard thing we thought you were going to juice give a little more juice in the defensive them maybe more off ball stuff and like the pairing of those two guys hasn’t really flourished at all like the the dejon plus Trey is a

Negative 3.6 net rating Trey without deante is a plus 2.3 deante without Trey is a minus one uh three so it’s basically Murray plus Trey bad Trey no Murray good Murray no try bad but some of that could be an extension of just like the rest of the roster not really

Having enough juice either so it’s I mean where do you stand with this when it comes to jonay Murray like when you hear this and with the with the caveat it’s all about what you give up right like there always yeah I we always have to start a situation like that it’s like

Yeah I I would take you know jic right now never mind i’ give up anything that’s a bad example I would take like like I would take you know some middling NBA player if he meant giving up nothing right so there’s always and then you

Know then as you rise up along the Star level you have to think about where how much you want to throw out there but when it comes to Murray maybe just like all things being equal does that like does it make sense for you to think about adding him to this

Team yeah on a surface level of the player that he is the skill set and what the Nets need yes like I I think it makes a lot of sense now again if you look at him in Atlanta it’s a little bit of a different style of player obviously

Playing alongside of treade but if you plugged him in to Brooklyn and you think back to when his assist numbers are up over six and seven going back to San Antonio days you need a facilitator you need a guy on ball like we’ve kind of seen what Dennis Smith Jr has meant to

Brooklyn when he’s got expanded minutes here and how it’s helped create a little bit of more balance inside of those units now the the problem probably at a high level is going to be before we even talk cost and everything else is what does it mean from the needle moving

Standpoint because th this then gets into the category of yes he’s a good player he’s better than than what you currently have but does he dramatically change the Outlook if this is the step one of a multi-step process whether this year or going forward then I can start

To wrap my head around it but I just don’t know if it makes sense for the Brooklyn Nets to start looking at their assets and saying we’re going to make this decision in this moment because the make the playoffs in 2023 2024 is going violently off the rails and we want to

Save that and I can’t I’m having a hard time deciphering whether or not that would be the reason the Nets make this move versus a high level we believe this is going to push us in the direction of being a real playoff team and being exciting team to watch over the coming

Seasons so I that that’s that’s right I I know it’s a little bit muddled but it’s hard for me to kind of pick a hard Direction here because it would feel like yeah he’s a player and maybe I’ll say this maybe he ends up falling kind of into the male Bridges Cameron Johnson

Category really good player still need Superstars ahead of him if you want to accomplish something at the NBA playoff level yeah that’s a really good point and actually I think that might be the the the thing that the Nets are thinking about the most is like thinking about

You know do we is it good enough to have a bunch of guys along the same timeline or is it good enough to sort of just you know get really uncomfortable here and just wait all the way for like the real true Superstar I have a couple thoughts

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Here by the way I do want to ask you about that question on on where these guys a guy like Murray fits in with the bridges and the Johnson of the worlds but just as a note kind of the reason why the Nets are bubbling into this is

Because a lot of the original reporting is about conversations between the Lakers and the Hawks and saying Murray’s on the table here but they don’t have the assets right this comes back to how Brooklyn just has all of these picks and maybe some valuable players so it’s

Always going to as you said at the top be a conversation that they can be in on almost anybody if they want to do you think that Murray is just one of those dudes that doesn’t necessarily move the needer for Brooklyn yeah look he’s like a very good NBA player right like and

The contract I think you have to say the contract is an advantageous one with the cap going up and and you sort of like with where things just stand right now with the ter like you know 27 excuse me uh 18 this year 25 27 29 and then that

Player option which I don’t that’s probably close about whether he option opts into that the contract is right around the same timeline as Cameron Johnson it’s a year more than male Bridges they’re all generally is the same age right like there’s a lot of overlap in terms of like why you’d want

To have a guy like him with that group if you were just trying to like do some floor raising floor raising team building right like Championship level stuff definitely not winning you losing every game like they’re losing right now yeah that they that would no longer be

The case you know peram maybe next to cam Thomas maybe have some of the same Trey young and CA and you know dejonte defensive issues that like they’ve that uh Atlanta’s had so I don’t know if that totally solves that but in terms of like having a you know well above average

Ball handler offensive initiator a guy that with that Spurs team I think actually think that Spurs team overachieved a little bit it was like Derick white it was yakob hurdle like they didn’t have an amazing record but they didn’t have tons of talent either and so I think but going back to your

Original point of would we just be putting another above average you know top 60 dude top 50 guy or something like that on a team almost for sure and I just don’t know this is such a close for me and the thing that really starts to make you feel different about this is

Losing like like I’m dead serious right it’s like I know everyone out there is probably thinking the same thing it’s like losing even on as a on a fan level really starts to make you look different about these things when you’re winning and you’re kind of overachieving and

It’s like no we’ll wait buy our time good team you lose a gillion games in a row and all of a sudden you’re like I don’t know do we need the Phoenix picks wouldn’t mind Seena W and I’m not saying they should do that but this is but but

This is it really does start to change your thought process a little bit around it and Murray I think from that perspective makes sense and I don’t know if I’m just a little too prisoner of the moment with that no and that’s I wonder if that’s how Shawn Marx and the net

Organization looks at it right like yes I hope not yeah you’re right down the road we certainly we certainly think that those picks will mean something from Phoenix and you know the Dallas ones eventually but we also thought we would be playing competitive 500ish basketball so you know if you’re selling

The product that was kind of that was one of the cornerstones of what they were doing in the short term right we’re going to be competitive we’re going to make the playoffs all right we’re not going to win playoff series but at least we’ll be able to hang our hat on that

Year-over-year for the next two or three seasons until that big moment comes now you’re looking at and going oh we’re bad like we’re a bad basketball team okay you can fire jock vaugh you know that’s been obviously the running theme okay you can say that Cameron Johnson is not

The player you thought he was going to be great it’s still what you have right now and the thing that maybe indicates that the Nets do think that which I think would be a mistake that oh no we we still are this team that’s why we’re

GNA go make this move has to do with the fact that a guy like Dorian finny Smith as reported by Andy Kats from the athletic updating what the narrative was in the offseason coming to start of the season they still want the equivalent of two first round picks for him when you

Set that type of price point as your team is trending in the wrong direction simultaneously it sends a message to me of a team that still wants to accomplish The Narrative goals that they set for themselves at the start of the year making the playoffs and being competitive and why is that concerning

The team in the Atlanta Hawks that are talking about trading one of their talented players are far better than you right now right like so there there’s an issue here when you just look at the standings and go we are not one of the good teams we’re not one of the teams

That’s a player away from being a good team and so you may just end up kind of selling low on a lot of your draft Capital to make a margin move that doesn’t really do much for you in the in the grand scheme of things yeah and and

This is why this is going to be fascinating too because right like when you know when you compare them specifically to the Hawks like they are like right in they’re kind of in lock step in the standings right now right with and I don’t know if like the Hawks

Are necessarily headed in the right direction but we know that the Nets are headed in the wrong direction right and if you had to make a bet on one of these two teams you just have to pick Atlanta and so it just ends up in it’s just like this

Really just weird spot and if it sounds like I’m waffling a little bit it’s because I kind of am like this isn’t a clear-cut decision for me and I think if you’re out there saying it’s so clear-cut to you one way or the other I actually just don’t know how that can be

The case right and and up to this point too we haven’t we haven’t really talked about what like what price would be worth it right like you know you mentioned and I actually think the Dory andin smith thing is instructive about trade deadline kind of match ations and

And people teams view of their own wor of their players Worth right right if the Nets are in a situation where they’re like probably way over Val me Dory F Smith like two first round picks I don’t think that’s ever happening all right I don’t think I just can’t I think

He’s played well I just like can’t Vision a world where some team is ditching to even like late first on Dory and finy Smith right um but if they are holding a firm line of and they’re holding a firm line on DFS in terms of like shipping out I do think they’ll

Probably keep a really low line on a guy like this right like it’s where it’s it wouldn’t be anything franchise altering and if it can be had they would do it but then maybe the Hawks who maybe have some buyers remorse on the three firsts that

They gave for dejonte and you know at the time that maybe they view it differently and that’s like where they never end up meeting and that’s sometimes just what happens with these things but I I think I I have to believe the Nets where Marx has like been in the past

Pretty good about this about like Star hunting and maybe it got has gotten a little away from him after the K the ktie Kyrie Harden thing you know you give Cam Johnson a long extension and you’re tied to Bridges who’s might have a ceiling yeah I just don’t know like I

Don’t know where their thought process is but I can’t I do I do firmly believe that they wouldn’t like empty empty all the coffers for a guy like Murray I I just don’t think that’s like how they’re built I hope I but there probably but there is a price

Right that like we probably would say yes to you would think oh yeah and so it’s it’s so two things there on on the Shawn marks piece of it you hope that he’s informed by the experiences with the superstars right hey it’s always worth it to go into those opportunities

To look at them but looking at Houston now where once upon a time we said oh the one spot I would trade m is to Houston for our picksb guess what Houston’s refusing every single phone call they’re watching those things climbed a lottery value as the Nets move

Forward here so you hope that he he has kind of pulled the Reigns back in and Murray is not on the level of Kevin dur Kyrie Irving and James Harden right so that’s one part of it the other weird part is the value that they’re placing

On ad Dorian finny Smith so you walk into a conversation with Atlanta well if Atlanta is hearing Shawn Marx indicate that they want the equivalent of two first round picks for Dorian finny Smith Atlanta’s turning around saying so then how how where do you value jonte Murray

Because he’s clear a better player he’s a better player than than Doran finy Smith right so you’re doing this both and here the interesting thing to me is when you look inside of this right so from a cost perspective salary lining up hey fans you don’t want Spencer Dy on

This roster anymore great $20 million boom and it’s an aspiring contract so that could be attractive to Atlanta it’s also a backcourt off ball guard with some ball handling ability you know whatever you want to take a flyer on him in the short term I know hey sell my

Sell the things that we don’t like for all the good stuff you got right classic classic sales tactic but you can do that part of it then if you come to picks you mentioned three first that they gave up to get them if you’re telling me that

That the Nets could massage this into do you have an interest in adorian fin Smith in the short term because if you’re Atlanta are you looking to restructure not necessarily going to a rebuild you’re keeping Trey young Royce O’Neal right other players they they want to move off of Atlanta the Clinton

Clint capella contract do you have an interest in a Nick Claxton do you want to you know do you want to explore that version of your team so there’s worlds where I think Shawn marks and the Nets could say here’s the guys that we don’t believe are going to be here long term

For various reasons but they have value to other teams maybe we can package something together that avoids giving up a lot of draft Capital the thing we want to keep and still serves the agenda of making moves I I that still stands to be seen and the hard part about this is you

Would think if the Nets want to trade for Murray they don’t want to trade Dorian FY Smith they want to keep him here in the short term they want to keep Royce O’Neal in the short term so you’re always trying to serve these two agendas if you move on from even a Nicholas

Claxton okay how is this team better in the short term then if you open up another hold there at the five spot where it’s going to be dayon sharp when he’s back healthy and nobody else like so this is the the agenda serving that I

Don’t think is going to be easy for the Brooklyn Nets to accomplish and Shawn marks but we’ll talk about is this a move that if the Nets made it would serve to recognize as the first of multiple they would make at this deadline we’ll dive in on that angle coming up

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NFL okay so the other thing here for me then when we talk about the potential of making a move like this for Brooklyn let’s just let’s assume that players and a couple of picks right let’s say that’s how it gets to if it’s two first round picks and some version of Players Point

Stop are you making that move if it costs two first round picks your Dealers Choice about where they fall in the spectrum of Phoenix and Dallas and Philly and everything else two first no I don’t think I don’t think so I think you have to try I think you have to try

To sit with these as long as possible and this is recognizing that I do think he would help the team and it might be a chance to get off you know or like you know trade in witty or something like that where his value seems to be you

Know kind of petering out here whatever I fully recognize that it would help the team right now I just don’t think this is the guy if that’s the price um that do you agree with that or is that like reasonable it’s it’s closer than I thought again this like losing streets

Got me a little bit uh has me Wilding a little bit because I you’re right got me thinking maybe you should trade for anybody and everybody maybe Pascal seak 37 a half million for the remainder of the season is not okay that’s see that one’s a clear now like he’s probably

Just young enough and he’s just kind of what they need and I also think that’s the price is too high yeah because again you know I know it’s hard to to look at it this way if you’re a fan but okay two first round picks well two years from

Now will it it felt like it was worth it when you don’t have those two picks because there’s a world where even adding Murray does not change the fact that you’re a backend Eastern Conference playing tournament team looking to be interesting but not necessarily exciting in terms of wins or losses now

Let’s let’s go another layer here what if it was that the Brooklyn Nets don’t intend to resign Nicholas Claxton not about they should have shouldn’t but if I can send Nicholas Claxton and Spencer deny and one first round pick for Murray I do start to have a different

Conversation if it’s that we know we’re not bringing this guy back so these are effectively depreciating Assets in another three months yeah so I understand that one too and actually signing Murray I think it was Eric Slater and I apologize for this because I don’t exactly remember but I’m pretty

Sure friends of sh Slater said had said had broken down if they brought in Murray it would probably really decrease slash eliminate the chance to to be able to resign Claxton at any money with like Simmons’s contract still there and stay out of the tax so it’s like you probably

Are in a situation where if you were to bring Murray in you are admitting that Claxton might not be part of like the long-term future here you’re not going to resign him that being said I think the price on Claxton would be higher than that and I would not want to just

Like ship something out to like picks out plus Claxton to bring him too right so I don’t think like that calculus works for me either but making a deal structured around those things and getting more back from Atlanta or something like that like capella expiring plus maybe Atlanta ship ship

Something I don’t know like I think that starts to get a little more interesting for me I haven’t really fully fleshed that one out but I do I would I would not be of the like essentially like Clon for Murray’s straight up deal right like like like that and I think that’s like

Probably it’s not the the money doesn’t work but you know what I mean like they would be able to finagle that I think I that I would also not be interested although that one is a little closer too with how well sharp has played so I’m not it’s close yeah there’s some

Conversation around as I do these things on the Fly sometimes you know me little trade machine action you mentioned you know Clint capella has two years left right now on his deal but there’s that’s the rumors there with Atlanta as well maybe it’s a pass through and he ends up

Somewhere else but Clint capella and Murray coming and Spencer dwy claxon and Royce O’Neal going it makes Atlanta a better team this year right so maybe you get maybe that’s what the Nets in any of these scenarios for Murray or otherwise are trying to drill down on right what

Are the conversations we have here well we do have valuable players we have Dorian finy Smith we have Royce O’Neal Spencer Dy to a lesser extent but we do have players that make sense for other teams or that can be contributors that can help you win games in the short term

And they try to mitigate the requirement to add in these draft pick so they still keep the powder dry and also make a move that shows an indication hey we realize what we are right now is not going to be the answer over the next couple of

Seasons yeah and that’s and and I think that that’s are like that’s the Claxton piece for sure makes this and interesting because we have no idea what the internal dialogue on Claxton is right like it’s like impossible to know they’re and marks and Company are usually pretty locked down around this

Stuff you you tend not to hear too much until it happens with the Nets like you know like short of like guys publicly asking out right the other stuff that’s happened they’re they’re pretty much a vault over there but so it’s it is kind of impossible to know how they View and

How they view the money and like sort of what’s resigning him would mean for their future prospects of signing someone like signing like a really big star once Simmons is off the books um and so I think actually that as much as anything will probably inform some of

These other moves of the trade deadline too right because if they don’t plan to resign them they have to trade them right like they just have to you got to trade them for something now and I don’t even know if a sign and trade is good enough in a situation in a situation

Like that um but we just have like no idea so would it shock me that claxon gets attached to some kind of deal like this at the deadline that really wouldn’t shock me at all not because there’s been any reporting on it but because it kind of seems on a there’s

Like a loog there’s a very logical case to be made for it more than anything else and so and I think like that that that as much as anything else could like shift this the The Fortunes of the Nets here at the trade deadline it’s like how

They view that one specific situation if it’s sign they’re if they know they’re going to sign them then I think that like well I I just think that like that just changes it just changes like sort of the way things can kind of shake out well

Yeah as you say right if if they’re keeping Claxton long term well then trades are about draft Capital because you know beyond Dori Smith or Royce so okay that’s going to at least for us here at lockon nets we’re going to say that changes my my willingness or

Interest in trading for a guy like Murray if you’re telling me he’s not going to be here long term then he’s an asset that you can utilize in these moves the last thing for me then on this when you say making move potentially for a guy like Murray are you comfortable

With the idea let’s say that it is any iteration of this where where we we find it palatable the package that goes out picks players whatever where it’s okay we’re making this decision now so that we can inform what we are going into the off season right a guy like Murray helps

Us he adds into the core we have now Dennis Smith Jr will he be here beond this year where does Cam Thomas fit into all of this all those pieces are you comfortable making them just that one one move and saying okay now play out the rest of the season which still could

Result in missing the Playoffs or do you feel like this would be Nets make this move and then they are talking about their assets and they are talking about other guys on the market and knowing that they do need to add another piece Beyond just Murray if they want to say

We’re going to be a ninth seed and eighth seed if we’re gonna make the playoffs for that symbolic thing that they’ve been able to accomplish in years past yeah so I guess what you’re saying is like a move like that would be something like I’m totally making this

Up but it’ be something like you bring in Murray with the price low and then you unload your rest of your stuff for like Lorie marinin right something like that like right it’s like oh you know it’s like younger maybe the I mean the Jazz have been kind of good so I don’t

Know if theying but here’s the 27 to 29 core I’m just using him as an example of a guy where if like Utah is trying to reset the deck even more and and they’re like you know he’s really going to strip it all down and he doesn’t totally fit

Their timeline I like you know something like a move like that like that would be interesting it’s not a championship caliber thing but it’s like a that’s a that’s a pretty good team exciting team to watch for four years or something like that right and you know they it’s a

It’s a lowlevel playoff team and I don’t know is that like the right move probably not but I think like that is like a that’s like sort of like the the the the tenor of move I think that you’re talking about right it’s like it’s where it’s like that would take

Real pieces like that would take the Phoenix picks or something like that to like to to actually get and if you could do one thing for cheap and then spend a lot on the other thing and you’re all kind of on the same timeline it’s like hey we’ll be decent for three years

We’re not going to win a championship and then Simmons will be off the book and whatever like again making this completely up on the fly but a move like that I think I’d be okay with that at some point you have to like be excited when you don’t have your own picks you

Do have to try to like be exciting too like you can’t have neither you can’t you can’t be tanking for re and we’re not fun to watch yeah like I look I look we only got x amount of days on this earth right like like this isn’t we’re

Not we’re not on the unlimited timeline here I like I got a I got a a little patience in me but I don’t have unlimited patience because none of us do I so I think like that that would be that kind of idea would be interesting

To me for sure and because that agenda is about thises my final thought is that agenda gets you beyond the picks that you that you traded away to Houston right it gets you back to the point where now I’m back in control of my own assets we dictate our own terms here and

In the meantime we made the calculated choice we want to be a team that was over 500 for the next few seasons we want to be a team that goes to the playoffs and and and that is exciting to watch and can be kind of oh what a fun

Series we’ll have in the first round right now you don’t look at that Prospect even if this team did turn it around and think there would be any type of interesting in a one verse eight Series in the Eastern Conference so I I think that does matter a little bit here

For Brooklyn and so if you made the move for me for Murray then it has to be step one of a multi-step plan in the short term and I we keep saying this is our final point this really will be my final Point moves like that two moves around

Not Superstar level guys but you know well above average guys would also probably give you the latitude to move on from jacqu vaugh too because right now they really can’t move in my mind they can’t move on from vaugh or won’t move on from vaugh because whoever the

Next person is is set up for like to go nowhere also like they can maybe get a little moderately better but they’re not going to get Lighty years better with this current roster but if you had a if you had a re a set with players I think

It would give you you would you would then open the door to be able to be like giving the next person the chance to succeed because that’s really what you need to be able to do if you were thinking about moving on from B again you can’t do it right now there’s no

Point there’s literally no point like the next coach will look only probably slightly better right and so just because they don’t have enough P Firepower on the team okay a lot of thoughts here this one went a little bit uh further than we thought it was going

To but it’s cool this is like why the trade deadline and leading up to it yeah less than less than a month away three weeks away it’s always such an exciting time make sure you are subscribed to lockon that’ss over on YouTube as we push towards 7,000 subscribers make sure

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Multiple outlets have recently speculated that Dejounte Murray to the Nets would make sense at the trade deadline. But is this a move Sean Marks and company should think about making for the team?

The Locked on Nets guys take a look at the recent rumors, Dejounte Murray’s skillset, why Atlanta is thinking of moving him and what this would mean. It’s not a simple yes or no answer on this front.

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