Are The Chicago Bulls Asking Too Much For Alex Caruso

Are The Chicago Bulls Asking Too Much For Alex Caruso

You found yourself on another episode of Locked on bulls in today’s episode me and Pat are going to ask are the Bulls overvaluing Alex Caruso also are there are rumors of Malcolm Brogden and possibly herb Jones coming to the Chicago Bulls and lastly why the Bulls

Have to win the next two games we’re going to get into all that and more right after this you are locked on bulls your daily podcast on the Chicago Bulls part of the locked on podcast Network your team every day Thank you for tuning in locked on bulls member of the locked on podcast Network where it’s your team every single day that’s pth the designer host and creator of the windy city Breeze and host of the Chicago Bears podcast over at ESPN 1000 I’m hey creator of Chicago Bulls and

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And get into it man Alice Kus so so something that we’ve kind of already talked about that we knew for Bulls fans that they KN that they knew but Jake L Fisher came out with another uh article today just reiterate the fact that the Bulls are still turning away all callers

For Alice Caruso but for them to even be interested to even entertain a trade it would have to come via two round picks now in this he added in that article that the Milwaukee Bucks now it was the language was kind of iffy he was kind of talking around it I don’t

Know if the Milwaukee Bucks has actually made a call or they were saying that they want to call on Alice Caruso but uh you you can talk about that piece if you want to or not Pat but like what do you think about the Bulls holding that value

At Alice kuso at at least the minimum two two first round picks I I are they asking too much like I’m not I’ll say this right when you look at what some of the trades in the NBA have gone for draft Capital wise I don’t feel like you’re asking too much for two

First round picks for Alex Caruso because um who do we just see get moved for three first round picks and uh uh why am I blanking right now uh Indiana just traded for him you know oh Pascal seaka Pascal seak we saw Pascal cakam get traded for for

Three first round picks and I think many of us view Pascal as a guy who’s good player solid Defender like how what he adds to that team but are we talking about he’s Leaps and Bounds better than Zack LaVine the part that’s better than Zack LaVine a little bit defensive well

A lot of bit defensively I’m not going to say a little bit well not really though cuz I think I think Pascal got like a 114 defensive rating this year if I’m not mistaken so maybe not this year defensively but when you look at him right like they’re similar players and

You got three for him I don’t think asking for two for Alice Caruso is too much value I think the NBA just does not value lower first round picks anymore which is weird because we’re seeing a lot of teams build themselves up with first round picks but I guess there’s

More Talent out there so maybe they feel like we can find Talent other places we develop our own Talent we can get late early second round picks and be fine you can get like 11 of those for a guy now like you I think it’s more so it’s more so

About the the value in this upcoming draft so like the two of the picks in in Pascal seakr were for the 2024 draft and that draft is looked at as a weaker draft and I think that’s that’s part of this right is that if you’re looking to

Trade for Alex Caruso and one of those picks are going to be in 2024 yeah we need something other than that because not a whole heck of a lot of the topend talent in this draft it doesn’t mean that there still can’t be a stud to come

Out of this draft it’s just that they don’t have the ceilings that you have expected in in Prior drafts so I think that plays a part into it to a degree as well but I think on top of that you also the the Bulls are looking at the value

That Alice Caruso has for their team and for any team Alice Caruso right now and the reason why I do think it’s a reasonable ask from the Bulls is that one he’s on one of the more reasonable deals per production in the NBA being a little over 9 million

Two he’s also not expiring so they get another deal another year of effective or reasonable contract for Alice Caruso and then teams that are going to be interested in Caruso are going to be Championship caliber teams so those first round picks are are already going

To be in the 20s so I think when you when you pile all that on it just it makes sense that the Bulls hold that value for Alice Caruso he is Alice Caruso is the type of player who can go to a team average 94 and four but you

Can you in watching the game you could see how he could win a team a series so yeah no I I think there’s a lot of value in having Caruso on your team and I I don’t think that the Bulls are asking too much here I I think that if you

Wanted I what’s tough is who the Bulls are versus what the Bulls are asking for yeah right that’s really the tough part about this whole conversation because who the Bulls are is a team that’s probably going to hold on to Zack LaVine a team that’s probably going to run 90%

Of what we’ve seen back a team that doesn’t seem like they’re going to make a lot of drastic changes so Alice Caruso to that team you don’t see the value that he holds because he’s not doing it in meaningful games Alex Caruso is not going to be playing in a lot of

Meaningful playoff games with the Chicago Bulls why because they continue to do things the exact same way if they ever decide to change their ways if they ever decide to you know maybe we’re gonna actually go out here and compete and try and make moves to compete and

Not just stand Pat then maybe you’ll see Alice Caruso value I guess not not that it’s not looked at it as that way around the league but I don’t think you’ll see a lot of takers on on that team I mean it it yeah I mean that plays

A part into it of course like it’ be remiss to say that that doesn’t play a part and I think I I don’t think that the that the that the value is too high I don’t because at the end of the day too you got to look at it and say all

Right if you don’t move Alice Caruso then you’re still keeping a vetan presence on your team and a player that is a two-way player who is who said in the he’s he’s one of him and Kobe white are the only two players on this team that did exactly what they said they

Wanted to do in the offseason Alex Caruso wanted to become more of a three-point threat to add to his defense he did that and Kobe white wanted to become more consistent I just I I guess the question for me isn’t right like I love what AC

Is bringing to this team but what are we utilizing it for what are we utilizing at the game which I I guess right we’re going to 41 wins right like that’s cool yeah but like what are you actually utilizing AC for it feels like this is a

Team that’s going nowhere that’s why to me teams aren’t taking the trade value because they’re like AC’s gonna see that in two years and guess what he’s still gonna be a really good defender in two years his defense is not going to fall off I’ll wait for his contract to end

And then I’ll just go scoop him up why would I give you two first round picks I guess if there’s a team that maybe loses something major that feels like they’re a championship team like a team that I would say to watch for just because of

Lack of depth on the team is maybe a Boston Celtics team but who the heck do we want off of that team now they got all the picks but see the thing is I don’t think that teams are like I think that if the Bulls wanted to trade Alice

Caruso for two first round picks today if they just wanted to move out I don’t think it’ll be trouble get I don’t think this is not the Zack LaVine Market where I don’t think the Bulls can get what they want for Caruso I just think the Bulls just don’t want to trade Alice

Caruso which is fine no I I I we’ve heard that from the Bulls that they don’t want to move off of AC but okay what do you want to do I feel like I feel like I’m talking to my daughter with with what the Bulls want

To do right like my daughter will sit there and she’ll go uh I don’t want to go to bed I don’t want to eat dinner I don’t want to sit down I don’t want and I’m like you it ain’t about what you want to do what are you gonna do that’s

Really what it comes down to what are y’all gonna do I know what you don’t want to do what are you gonna do so that what you want to do can actually have an impact on this team cuz I love AC I want AC here I never want to see AC traded I

Hope he retires a bull because he seems like one of those players that will go up in the joem Noah uh uh uh Lu allang type of uh uh Echelon where we look at them long term and be like man remember AC us be clamping m i loved having him

On the team but you’re not doing any of the things that those guys were in a position to do that’s that’s valid it’s very valid to say that um I mean I at the end of the day I think that when the Bulls get to this trade deadline and

Even if they don’t move Zack they don’t move dear they don’t move Alex kuso this has to be to me in my opinion a tread deadline where the Bulls have to the actions have to meet match what they’ve told us you told us that you want to be

A team that can compete and while the Bulls lately since December played with a 61% win percentage so you got to give it give credit to that but we’re still fighting for a nth seed yeah so if if that’s what we’re going to do if we’re

Going to be the team to compete make a move to put us in a better position to compete whether you’re using lonzo’s contract whether you’re using the rest of your mid level where you’re using the disabled player exception and that’s what I want to see most from the Chicago

Bulls in this but I think that’s what’s tough about it right is are you going to be that level of team with those same players in place at this point right like whether whether we like it or not we got to see that there’s a difference

In play when all four of those guys are on the floor are you going to move something now not AC AC is not a part of it but are you going to move something and this is just about the value to make AC’s impact value valuable AC is a championship level

Player on a team that won’t sniff Championship aspirations as long as you keep the same thing together they’ll sniff it when they play those teams in the regular season well I mean I guess we could say that that that’s that’s I don’t I don’t really know what to do with that

Statement I’m gon lie to you I think it’s there nothing you can do with that one we’re gonna move right along oh let’s move away from that we’re going to be talking about two players that the Bulls are are have been rumored to be interested in or could be

In the tradem market for that could help along that push one that doesn’t really make sense for me maybe both of them don’t but we’ll talk about that here in a second uh before we get into that I got to talk to you guys about two of our

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First deposit match up to $100 all right Pat Malcolm Brock and Herb Jones two names that have recently been mentioned as potential targets for the Chicago Bulls and I don’t know about you Pat but hearing Malcolm brogen’s name mentioned and don’t get me wrong what is he averaging like 16 points per game

Something like that this season more of a scoring threat because he’s on a Portland team where their first their where the second overall pick and Scoot Henderson can’t score the basketball to save his life um and then herb Jones a player that is a pro typical three and D wi

Um and I can see him fitting on really any NBA team but it’s just like her Jones pause was crazy because it’s just like I like both these players individually in silos I like both these players don’t get me wrong if we were to switch Malcolm brogon or Javon Carter

With Malcolm Brogden it would help the bull so much but I just don’t see either one of these re really being realistic when you look at both the numbers on their contracts and where what the Bulls would theoretically have to offer unless the Bulls are giving up potentially a

Dalen Terry or Julian Phillips to get a herb Jones who may be a more realized version of what they can become what do you think Pat what is the D what is the biggest issue with Malcolm brogon like it it if this guy’s not gonna

Play the a good chunk of games in the season he’s not be available for you available for you if you make the playoff like he’s he’s an injury-prone player if you just want to throw some some seasoning some garnish on on you know the the pile of crap that we

Have okay he’s missed 10 games so far this season like I’m I’m cool on Malcolm Brogden I’m just I’m I I it’s not that he can’t play either right like I I think when he’s healthy he I think he’s a heck of a player when he’s healthy I

Think he actually is an asset that the Bulls could utilize if he’s healthy I I I’ll go as far as this I think he’s an asset the Bulls could use to stay the the trading away of everybody if you really wanted to keep this team together but I can’t count on Malcolm

Brockton to be there anym than I can count on AO Porter when he was here any more than I can get I mean like now come on he’s more healthy than Oto Porter I quter Miss games because because because he got the hiccups so like it’s a little

Different there listen I it’s it’s not games because he had no that’s that’s me that’s me I was like did I miss that injury haven’t followed him in a little while hey that’s that sounds terrifying actually like yo if you got non-stop hicups for three days put me out of my

Misery bro you can’t sleep you can’t eat n I’m cool anyway I I just I don’t I don’t know what what uh um it’s not to say Malcolm Bron can’t bring things to the Chicago Bulls I don’t trust him to be healthy which is an issue we already have with

The guys who are currently on the team um how many how many seasons we me and you’ve both said you play over 60 games it’s close enough right Malcolm brogon has been in the league eight years how many of those eight years do you think he’s played over 60 games three that’s

Exactly right yeah it’s not it’s not even like I I I like Malcolm brogon a lot but I do I like him as a player Court $22 million you’re paying Malcolm Brockton yeah and and that’s the biggest problem I’m not paying you I I got a guy I’m already paying 20 mil to

Not be on the court his dad’s whing out here he he has played 100% more games than Lonzo ball in two and a half years so I mean listen listen his dad’s wilding out here Lon ofar lar Wilding bro hey bro you gotta have such a strong relationship with

Your dad and just be like that just pops to to deal with some of that’s crazy bro um I’m I’m out on Malcolm brogon because of the injury concerns of course we got the contract issue but of course because of the injury concerns unless there’s some way that you could get him

For um where you can include moving lonzo’s contract in that MH that’s the only way I do it because at that point it’s like well I’m moving one hurt player for another player that has potential injury but I’m not really gaining too much in money to add you to

This team it’s basically I’m giving you a roster spot for a spot that nobody’s using right now um and then herb Jon I I’m not gonna lie herb Jones the name that excites me but it doesn’t address a need that the Bulls have right now to me some three-point shooting and defense on

The wing some three-point shooting is the problem for me it’s like it’s like he’s a three and D player with kind of the three-part yeah I mean like that like I I would love herb Jones with Kobe white that’s immediately what I thought that’s exactly that’s exactly what my

Mind went to as well herb Jones out there with Kobe white I can rock with that I would I would love to see that um but I mean herb Jones is as a Defender I think he add something that the Bulls don’t have maybe down low somebody who

Actually could switch on a pick and roll and uh can can actually stay with the guy that he’s guarding I mean what what’s he 10 10 points a game this year something like that I’d be I’d be willing to bet on the upside of herb

Jones I just wonder what we give up for herb Jones yeah contracts I think $12 million so it’s not like it’s just a easily matched contract either um I mean I you could match $12 million match 12 million I don’t think we’d had that much trouble

Match of 12 million but and then I mean he is under effective so you would have him locked in into the 2020 6 2027 season and that and at the most he’s making 14.8 that’s not bad if if you can get herb Jones I would love to get herb

Jones but I’m not right I I still feel like what the Bulls need in a shooter he’s not going to provide that he’s three and D but like I said the three is like what’s he taking three a game he’s taking three and a half three pointers a

Game hitting it basically 40% clip it’s not bad it’s not bad it’s not bad it’s just it’s it’s what I would expect for a player of his stature rolling to the basket a lot he’s downhill he’s attacking the rim a lot that’s what I would want herb Jones to come here and

Do he’s taking a total of seven shots per game and and almost five of four of half of those are three-point shots so was he is he not oh he’s not starting anymore right down there no he started every game still starting yeah okay all right I’m I’m I’m intrigued by herb

Jones I wouldn’t be I wouldn’t be out on him I’m just so would you be willing to give up if it came down to uh let’s say they’re willing to take Javon because that match is half of it and then they do want a Dal and Terry and maybe uh a

Second would you be willing to give that for herb Jones I don’t that’s not the rumor deal hasn’t there was no framework of a deal that was presented in this rumor but would you would that entice you on a herb Jone say it again so so

Dalen Terry gone but D Terry gone Javon matter of fact let’s not because D Terry is kind of easy let’s say if it came down to it was Julian Phillips who we haven’t seen a whole heck of a lot of does have a lot of upside Gone Gone Gone

Okay i’ be like it’s it’s it’s proven her 10 points a game on what 49 49% shooting yeah yeah that’s that’s proven that’s exactly something that I can utilize off of my bench or in the starting lineup one or the other tell you what gives you a heck of heck of a

Lot more consistency on the defensive end than I think we’ve seen from P will for a good chunk of this season I I’m cool with that okay I’d be cool with that I I mean like easily um and yeah there’s some upside with Julian Phillips but unless you think he’s going

To turn into freaking Jordan P out here like come on that’s not even we’re good and just to kind of throw this we’re ending this the reason why the herb Jones speculation is there is that the New Orleans Pelicans salary cap is shooting up and they have other players

That they are looking to extend and so the speculation is there because they may be looking to move off herb Jones to sign some of the other guys who going to be pending that’s why the rookie contracts would be enticing for it they feel like herb Jones is replaceable

Basically yeah you can find another you can find another yeah which listen I I’ll say this if you if you can continue to develop herb Jones right because herb is kind of he’s also on a team with a lot of forwards Brandon Ingram is starting at

Shooting guard for that you know what I mean he’s on a team with a lot of forwards so if you could I would say maybe look look at the upside of herb Jones and if you could develop a little bit more of a shooting stroke with him

Maybe you could see a Bobby porise Great Value version out of him I would be intrigued to see if you could develop him to that point um but that comes into Player Development and guess what we have not seen uh a lot of for the last three years well we got our Player

Development Department now though I’m just saying uh now herb Jones also shorter so you know I mean but he’s he’s he’s on team with a lot of for hey before we uh get into this final topic where we got to talk about uh the bill Bulls next two games it’s it’s

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I’m really trying to save patch job out here y’all like I’m trying my best man at this point I’m having a good time I’m on my RG3 tour right now RG3 be whing I listen to I listen to games that don’t matter just to hear what RG3 is gonna say about some he

Really does not care bro he really truly does not care bro there’s a backup quarterback named Mike orgy and they were trying so hard not to say his last name because he was like the fourth string quarterback everybody else got Hur he comes in he scored six touchdowns

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Um with that said bro we got two games left up on the docket man uh for this week we got games against the Lost Angeles Lakers and the Portland Trailblazers bro uh how do you feel about these games are these must-win games for the Chicago Bulls I

Mean at this point every game’s kind of like it’s not every game is must-win must win in this early in the season is is stupid because we’ve seen teams that it looked like we completely out of it and in the second half they get second

Half they get hot right and all a sudden they’re in the I mean Miami last year Miami literally had a hot two weeks going into the playoffs like I I just I guess are these must-win games for you to finish out the week well yeah are these must-win games

For the future of your season no because we’ve still got the same questions on this season this season doesn’t mean anything to me until we figure out what the heck we’re doing are we standing Pat are we trading people now as you go into this Lakers game and you go into this

Blazers game I think these are two very winnable games that put you in a much better position Bulls right now three games below 500 this gets you one game below 500 I would like to see them finally start to climb their way near that mountain and the one thing that we

Have seen is the Bulls really haven’t lost multiple games in a row over the last couple of months there’s been a one game down we’re g to win two one game down we’re GNA win two that’s the recipe for you to have a good season if you go

Two for one the rest of the year but I’d like to see more I’d like to see something different different here and I I guess not even different I’d like to have answers at least like if once we know what the heck this team is going to

Be then we can go all right are we going to the playoffs or not we don’t have the an sway you don’t have the an sway here’s the thing like I I get it and we have this thing as like it was so it so Kanye bro it’s Kanye um we have

This thing as Bulls fans where we are like this 500 thing that’s everybody’s talking about can we get back to 500 how long has been since who been above 500 and I get it like these are two uh two games against two teams that are struggling in different ways um and I

Would love to see like I always want to see the Bulls get a win but to call things must win I get it we’re over halfway through the season now but like it don’t really start being must-wins until after the All-Star break but you still want to get these games where you

Can and you don’t want to see yourself lose against an inferior opponent especially like the Portland tril Blazers let’s just not let’s not lose against can we avoid losing against the Portland Trailblazers please yeah I think here’s the thing too right you’re coming up against two teams

That have been in a lot of turmoil this season I mean like you the Lakers nobody has answers on What the heck they are and Portland’s dog water what I will say is to go back into our last topic maybe we leave Portland with Malcolm brogon yeah no it’s not gonna happen no

Not they just say they just say Zack Zack just stay here we’re not stay right here just stay here Z wor about it um it’s not you it’s us it’s going to be dear they G to say look it’s Kyle Lowry and then they GNA grab Malcolm Brighton and just run out the

Building that’s actually pretty hilarious but I I listen I wish I could say sit here and tell you that this bull team is going to come in they’re going to take care of business they’re going to get it done um but the fact of the

Matter is is that this is still still a team that has a own struggles and one of those struggles are playing down in competition and one thing I hope the Bulls don’t do more than anything is don’t come into these two games well I don’t think they’re going to do it

Against the Lakers it is the Lakers that got LeBron on that team but especially against the Portland Trailblazers don’t come into that sisifus and just and just uh leave it there like just don’t do that man LeBron LeBron may not play which is oh they did say that LeBron I

Think ad is out in this game as well right is it ad out too ad may not play as well I don’t know if they’ve confirmed that he’s out but I know there’s there’s a may not for both of them I love Alex Caruso’s comment on it

He just basically went what he’s doing at uh at uh the age that he’s at is amazing and if he doesn’t play that’s fine too that’s that’s kind of just how at this point you you just look at it as a I think the game’s winnable either way

How the Bulls played versus Phoenix tells me how the Bulls can play even with them losing right like Phoenix came back and absolutely dominant Phoenix was down I want to say uh 19 tonight at one point early on in the game and by the end of the game they were

Winning like so they they’re a team that can come back from a deficit no matter what but how we’ve seen this Bulls team play over the last month and a half you do have to look at it and go I think that they can come out and compete with

Anybody and what I will say is when unfortunately Zack LaVine is not on the floor usually that play down to the competition doesn’t set in as much because it I don’t know if it almost seems like they don’t like they think of themselves as the

Team that they are like Hey we’re not a good enough Team without Zach to just go out here and Cakewalk these guys that’s I can agree with that I don’t know it’s it’s G to be interesting to see what the Bulls do uh I would say

We go two and 0 over our next two and uh start the week off right let’s hope so let’s hope so let’s get these dubs big dubs man big dubs I need to play some uh some victory music over here by the way follow us on everything at lockon bll

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