Paolo Banchero is an NBA All-Star! | Trade Deadline Tour: Buddy Hield and knowing when to push in

Paolo Banchero is an NBA All-Star! | Trade Deadline Tour: Buddy Hield and knowing when to push in

Poo banero is an NBA Allstar why this is a long time coming and means so much to the Orlando Magic plus our trade deadline tour continues maybe concludes but continues on today’s episode of lock on Magic you are locked on Magic your daily Orlando Magic podcast part of the

Locked on podcast Network your team every Day and you are indeed locked on Magic today is February 2nd or will be SE February 2nd 20124 my name is Philip Rosman I’m the expert and site editor over at orlandomagic.com you course follow me on Twitter Philip rror OMD on today’s episode of lockon magic Paulo

Banero is officially an NBA Allstar how he did it and what it means for this franchise moving forward plus we’ll continue our trade deadline tour as you could see on the rundown over there and talk about Buddy healed and what it might cost for the magic to get Shooters

We’ll also dive into a little bit actually with with our with our friend Tony east of locked on Pacers about why the Pacers decided to push their chips in now and what that means for the magic moving forward we’re going to get to that coming up here in just a moment but

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Moment more right now new customers get $200 in bonus bets if your F first bet of $5 or more wins visit fanduel.com locked on to get started today obviously Thursday was the day that we have all been waiting for um a day of confirmation uh you know what the

NBA didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know like honestly like we’ve been sitting here we’ve been talking about it I’ve been pitching it Jamal Mosley’s been yelling it from the mountaintops Thursday did not tell us anything we didn’t already know and even if Pao banero didn’t get named to

Reserve for the All-Star Game in all likelihood he would have been one of the alternates selected to be an injury replacement with Julius Randle rightfully and I’m very happy that he got named at All-Star Reserve despite his injury rightfully named at All-Star Reserve as well as Joel embiid who as as

Reported came out May need surgery to repair a torn meniscus and and will likely in either way whether has surgery or not will likely miss All-Star Weekend Next in a couple weeks so um undoubtedly poo ban Cara was going to be playing in the Sunday game but to be selected by

The coaches to be a a full Reserve to to not need that special dispensation from the commissioner it feels confirming of everything that we have seen from this seen from him uh and seen from him these first two seasons look the the numbers honestly speak for themselves you know I don’t know what

Numbers some people are looking at John Hollinger um that would suggest that poo banero is not an All-Star but the numbers to me you know maybe not some of those Advanced numbers that like very specific things the numbers to me suggest that palaban Caro is an All-Star

23 points per game seven rebounds per game five assists per game he’s shooting 45.3% from the floor and 35.8% from Beyond The Arc he has a usage rate of exactly 30% he is facing I think I read a stat that he is one of the most double team

Players in the entire NBA every time we mention some statistical category in fact I think it his last 25 games he’s averaging 25 um 257 and five and the only players that have done that the only players younger than 21 or 25 or something like that that have done or

The only players younger than 21 or 21 younger that have done that in the last like 10 years is Luca donic and LeBron James like these are the lists we keep putting Palo ban Carol on the things that he is doing only the great players do and and

And and so regardless of whether it was going to happen this time or this year it was going to happen he was going to be an alcer but the fact that the magic are now in the postseason chase the fact that this magic team has never been

Below 500 this entire season the fact that the magic are winning sorry Scotty Barnes sorry Trey young the fact that the magic are winning made the case that much stronger but again all you have to do is watch the kid play all you have to do is watch Pao play there’s a control

There’s composure there’s an understanding and frankly a figuring out of what he has to do as the team star to put them in a position to win look Paulo’s really good like really really good and I know I watch him and and the way that he has grown over the last two

Years because you know obviously we’ve only watched him down for a year and a half season and a half um and I just I think of how much he has grown and gotten better even as this season has gone on that that mid-range jumper he has found his spots he’s found ways to

Get to his spots there are just certain shots that he takes now that are just automatic and that wasn’t the the case last year last year he was still figuring everything out but let me tell you what this really means let me let me tell you what why

This is so important for magic fans and why this is such a a big big moment for this franchise if you’ve listened to this show for eight years for I think this is season eight um you know that I’m a Nicole vuchic fan Nicole vuich was the

Last Allstar for the or for the Orlando Magic but when he made it we were just happy that he made it we didn’t expect anything more we didn’t expect that second trip to the all-star game we knew that that was a team that was at the end

Of its run and vuvi was among the oldest firsttime Allstars in NBA history I think K I think Kyle Lowry had him beat on that but we knew that that was a flash in the pan and we were hoping like we we talked about this you could go into the

Archives we were hoping that someone like Aaron Gordon would take the Reigns I know I know I spent the whole summer after the 2019 playoff saying the 2020 season needs to be Aaron Gordon becoming a star that that’s what we were obsessed with this is different you know we knew that that

Team had a limit what we are seeing now and what this All-Star birth confirms is that we are watching a team that doesn’t have a limit a team that is still discovering itself and making steps and progress along the way this is not going to be the last

Time poo benero was an All-Star this is the first of many the first to five six seven eight nine 10 All-Star games and I know Paulo don’t want to say that because he’s you know if you watched all the all the material that the Orlando Magic put out afterwards he was still

Kind of absorbing the moment like it was it’s honestly watching him on the Orlando Magic pod squad watching him do the interview with with Josh Cohen um honestly watching all of that was the first it’s like the first time I’ve seen him be like a 21y old in a

Very long time um that that speaks to the maturity that this kid has this is not going to be the last time he is here everybody who watches this match team even the people who didn’t think Pao should have been an All-Star this year recognize the path

That he is on recognize the direction that he is going and then recognize that this magic team isn’t just a flash in the pan what this obviously represents to the magic is is a magic player the magic star player is going to be on the biggest stage he’s ever been on you know

Yeah FEA World Cup was a big stage but you know we get our One National TV game one uh one week from Tuesday um when when we play the Oklahoma City Thunder that’s a big night for Shaquille O’Neal that night’s not even necessarily about this this year’s team like I’m glad

They’re doing it I’m glad they’re retiring sha Jersey but that night’s not about this year’s team anymore Allstar Weekend is going to be a huge stage for him and now this franchise this team this player is in another Stratosphere like I said whenever we run Pao stats through historical context we are

Told that he is doing something that only Hall of Fame players are doing darl that Focus to just the magic and he’s doing things that only one of the eight previous Allstars that the magic have were doing and no offense to our guys jir Nelson or Rashard Lewis

Or nicoa vuvi we’re not talking about those guys when we run pao’s stats through the historical context we are talking about sha we are talking about Penny we are talking about Dwight we are talking about T-Mac we are talking about the very best this franchise has to

Offer and of course that is unfair expectations to put on a 21y old that’s that’s unfair but after 10 years lost in the desert of 10 years of rebuilding and not having any direction to have a second-year Allstar who is going to get better leading a team in his second year back

To the promised Lan of the playoffs to set this team’s future in motion this is a big deal this is a huge deal this is something that’s going to Define this franchise and help push it forward this is quite frankly really exciting stuff this is I’m so happy for him he has

Obviously earned it on the court and obviously the magic with their record helped him get there too and he helped the magic get there symbiotic relationship but this is just the beginning and I’m excited for him to get that first experience to be among his peers who have welcomed him by the way

Like the the like again the players voted Pao fourth among East Eastern Conference FR Court players the coaches now the coaches have now shown us with their vote they understand how much of a problem poo banko is this is not a place he’s going to leave anytime

Soon and so it’s very very exciting to see that the magic now have a true Allstar a perennial potentially perennial Allstar and we’ll see how much his game continues to grow as the years go on because like I said last year like this is the worst p is ever going to be if

Everything goes right Pao is never going to be worse than he is now and he’s pretty good right now so he’s only going to get better of course one of the responsibilities the magic now have as a team with an Allstar is to build the right team around him we’re going to

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From the trade dead or less than a week now than the from the trade deadline and he’s buzzing Pascal siakam’s a Pacer the the Allstar Weekend is here like two weeks free agency just started for the WNBA so the Indiana Fever doing stuff it is H quite the time for pro basketball

Here in Indianapolis it it is and and and we’re obviously you know we’re recording this before the official announcements been made uh but all but we will certainly have all our eyes on Indianapolis here in in a couple weeks um you mentioned Pascal sakam and so I

Want to I want to start here before we dive kind of into the meat of the trade deadline tour here that I’m doing for the magic um the move to get Pascal cakam um it was obviously a huge one siakam’s a former a former Allstar you know one of the more impactful players

That was expected to be available on this trade market the the big question that I have you know because you know we’d actually like to compare and contrast kind of where teams are at on the development scale and and uh you know I would say you know the magic are

Kind of having the season the Pacers had last year you know they’re starting to break in they’re kind of figuring out their identity uh and figuring out how to win more consistently um obviously there’s some injuries that kind of kept the Pacers from making the making uh

Making the the postseason last year but um why was this the time to push those chips in and go get that star player in Pascal seaka I think a couple things matter here I think the first one is the contractual alignment of the Pacers like now is a very convenient time for them

Before some of their guys get expensive before they’re capped out and they could have maybe sign seaka as a free agent but that’s not a guarantee and that still involves losing some similar players so if you do it now you guarantee to get him you increase your

Chances of keeping him and that’s all great they they were really set up to make a big trade either this year or next season but next summer they would have run out a time but the biggest reason is simple and this is what the magic will likely run into next year to

Me and it’s that Tyrus halber went from being this guy’s pretty good you know he’s an Allstar he’s like a top 20 25 player like oh gez Louise this guy is unbelievable like he could be a guy on a very very very good team I would say he

Was playing at a top five to 10 level for the first two months of the Season before his injury some people would say 10 to 15 that’s fine very good player right obviously very good and only 23 when you realize you have that for the next six years under contract you now

Know know that you’re going to be good for a while you would like to be make that better right and so it made sense all of a sudden for them to say eh being pretty good you know is fine but we can be great now and we can be great for

This whole time and we can do it while still keeping all of our young guys and a lot of first who still trade in the future we should do that and seak com’s a perfect fit they needed four desperately they needed someone else who could handle the ball and score when

Halbert was wasn’t healthy which when they made the trade conveniently for what I just said he wasn’t it made a ton of sense and and he’s been a wonderful fit so far he just got a nominee as we’re speaking for a player of the month in the East for January so clearly

Already standing out within in the new uniform yeah and and it it feels like finding that that right moment to to go for it and and I mean can we really say you know Indiana expended some draft Capital you know Bruce Brown was a big contract you know everyone kind of

Looked kind of side-eyed when they signed that big contract it was very much no no no it’s a two it’s like a short-term deal it’s a lot of money up front but like I I know I tell my listeners this Al all the time like resigning players isn’t much about

Filling out the salary slot and having that contract to to to move around as much as it is about getting that player obviously you don’t want to maybe do a four-year $25 million deal you 25 per deal with someone who’s not going to start for you that that handcuffs you

But uh but you know you want to have those those pieces on the chest board to move and and obviously I think Indiana set themselves up really well I you know they’re honestly still set up to make another big move which we we’ll we’ll dive into a little bit here uh in a

Moment but kind of coming to that realization of how good Indiana is this year this year um how you know let’s talk about Tyrese Halburn obviously he’s going to be starting in the allar in the hometown All-Star game um how but you know immediately his impact was felt in

Indiana but how how did the thought process change as this this organization this franchise began to realize what halberton is and can be with with a Sy they’ve set up around him yeah it was interesting because like you know the action of them their belief in him was

Here’s all the money right like this is literally everything we can give you and the easiest way for you to make as much as possible clearly they thought he could be this good the thing that stands out about the that belief is a lot of players that you know weren’t

Established Stars necessarily but were like psyched to play with him because of what it means for them right let’s just looking at some Pacers examples of recent years Aaron n Smith you know can’t crack the rotation in Boston comes to play with tyes Alberton oh wow this guy’s pretty good Jaylen Smith in

Phoenix not playing comes to Indiana oh he’s pretty good Miles Turner got better with Talton as his point guard Obi toppen is now better or looks better playing in this Indiana system there’s even more than that but that is it’s not just that he’s fantastic which he is

It’s that everyone else by default becomes a more efficient or more useful player because of how kind of cerebral and talented he is says so it makes you more confident in your timeline when you know that you can take risks with your other players or you know that anyone

You get will be close to the best version of themselves offensively so they knew they were going to be good right already they were 23 and 18 last year before he got hurt and missed that whatever it was Game stretch where they immediately lost eight in a row and lost

Control of their season like the signs were already there and so this year when they just steamrolled everybody in the n Season tournament and beat Boston twice and beat Philly twice and beat Milwaukee four times like like the top the caves twice the top of the East has been

Nothing to them the bottom of the East has been quite the problem for the Pacers for some reason but the top of the East is no problem you know when you see that ceiling without a seaka when you see that ceiling with one guy who can Elevate the rest of his teammates

You know it’s there and to like apply that to the magic like fron is really great Paulo’s amazing you know I loved Anthony black in the draft I had him top five I’m a big Anthony black believer once you know and I think they know now

But once they know know that like yeah these guys not only fit with each other but can like Elevate the talent around them that’s when it’s time to like go go for it and not just get the complimentary pieces and I think Jeff welman’s a great great exec so I believe

In their timing ability but that was kind of the big swing timing for the Pacers yeah and and I think that’s you know you really hit I think what the debate is internally for the magic because obviously you know I’ve been telling everyone this that they’re not

Making any moves or any trades right now that are meant to save this season like like I said the magic have had uh I don’t want to say the same season that the Pacers had as last year but but very similar they got off to a really hot

Start they’re kind of the IT team in the league they hit the middle of the Season you know obviously there’s a Halton injury the magic faced a lot of injuries not not you know fron voger miss about eight nine games um and then they kind of Hit the Swoon and they’re hovered

Around 500 you know I I feel they’re pretty safe to make the play in tournament at the least the seven eight game feels like it’s going to be the thing for them um but but you know they’re they’re they’re now trying to figure out how do we get back to that

High that we had early in the season and and how much of that is about patience and letting our young guys develop and continue to get better and how much of it is do we need to go out and externally get something do we need to get something for this year to ensure

Our spot or you know or accomplish our goals or or how do we add something that not only helps us this year but helps us for the next two to three years and we’re going to get into one of those potential players here in a minute but I

Know one thing that I’m I’m really obsessed with and and one of the reasons why I I I love the Pacers and and and I and I do feel sympatico here a little bit um it feels like the magic the Pacers and I’ll go ahead and throw the

Cavs in there too although the Cavs are a little bit older more experienced it feels like this is kind of the future of the East um we know Milwaukee Boston Philadelphia are still that that top three what do our teams have to do to kind of break into that group and and

You know obviously the Pacers made the seaka move with that with the intention of doing that but what is kind of the next step for these teams to break into and challenge the elite elite teams in the Eastern Conference uh can they combine rosters that be that would be

Really helpful like can we go can we Voltron this that would be perfect you know it’s it’s funny thinking about the magic and Pacers because first of all the magic have been the Pacers Kryptonite this season which isar down yeah smoked them twice so the magic are funny to me and that they

They’re they’re similar to the Pacers in an opposite way the Pacers are best offense yikes on defense and the magic are like you can’t score on us but we can’t score either right so in that way they’re opposites and that is kind of the separator to me from them and these

Top teams in the East is that the magic are Elite defensively which is going to keep them at a good record and keep them as a threatening and good team in the East Pacers are a great offense same thing they these teams can beat anybody because of their Elite thing any night

That is mean they’re going to win because they also stink at at the other side of the ball whereas I mean Boston’s an exception because they’re one of the best team Boston’s just Boston I mean they’re top two in both but you know even the Bucks are you know top three in

Offense and their defense isn’t great but it’s you know top 20 the Sixers are top I believe 10 in both offense and defense the Cavs are approaching top 10 in offense and are now like third in defense right like you have to be there on both ends to be in that category team

I think the Knicks are close to top 10 in both as well so that’s where the Pacers and Magic need to go next is adding the talent or making the slight tweaks to become really good or at one and kind of good at the other or pretty

Good at both or whatever it takes to be you know a team that if your offense isn’t there some nights you can run the defense in Indiana or if your defense isn’t there some nights you can have the requisite scoring to find a way to win

As the magic right the Pacers win a lot of games 139 to 133 the Magic win a lot of games 102 to 97 right but they don’t have opposite formula in their DNA that’s what I think both of these teams need to go from oh here they come to

Like okay here they are and and and honestly like and this is why I’ve been preaching patience with with my listeners I don’t know if you feel the same way this is honestly why I think it’s really important for both of these teams to get to the playoffs and be in a

Seven game series against these Elite teams because they’re going to show you exactly where your weaknesses are the things that you think are strengths may not translate to the playoffs like I I have concerns about the Magic’s defense a little bit in the playoffs just because of the way that they play and

Sometimes how they give up threes even like a player like like tyres Halton who’s never been in the playoffs you’re gonna see how a team defends him differently in the playoffs and that’s going to teach him oh this is what I need to get better at oh they

Were targeting me on defense uh when I was on defense I need to get better at that to get to this level and so I I always like this is obviously an exciting time there’s there’s a lot of lot of rubers going around both of the

Franchises are are are on the uptick and we both I think recognize the areas that they that they need to improve um and and are just looking for the opportunities to do so but it’s still about learning what your team actually needs and it’s it’s still a in my

Opinion at least it’s as much as we want the short-term rewards it’s it’s still a process and it’s still a you know like again the Denver Nugget should have taught us all of it should have taught all us all of this it’s not you know you don’t necessarily get a quick hit

Championship a championship can be a five six sevene journey to get and now the nuggets are set up for the next three four years to to be to be contenders yeah they they identified the perfect fits too which is I feel like we kind we’re about to talk about with one

Specific a Aaron Gordon as you know exactly they needed to four right kcp exactly they needed to two and they just slowly from playoff failures figured that out right so perfect fit continue sorry let’s take a quick break from our conversation to tell tell you a quick

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Back into that that that race for home court advantage they they still have one more big chip to play this season in buddy heeld and undoubt you know obviously when the report came out just before the season started that hee and the Pacers didn’t come to an extension

And he was looking for a trade out everyone you know everyone started connecting the magic to them because the magic have some some assets that they can move they obviously have the shooting need I want to start here where do things stand with Buddy heeld is that

Still a a chip that the Pacers are looking to play here in the next week I don’t know if magic fans have seen this clip so I’m gonna cite something before I answer question perfectly tyres halberton like once or twice a week streams himself playing video games on

On Twitch or whatever and someone jokingly in his chat right before the Pacer season said Ty buddy got traded have you seen this and Tyrese said I would know if Buddy got traded and then he impersonated what buddy heeld would say to him on a phone call if he got

Traded to the magic specifically and it was extremely funny that he specifically said the Orlando Magic can’t believe they traded be the magic it was so funny um so here’s the thing I think some of the reporting about Buddy hill before the season was just slightly slightly too aggressive right so they they

Couldn’t have gotten to the resolution that they did and got reported if the Pacers didn’t offer budy healed an extension they would not know that they were a part on talks without doing that and offering someone an extension means you want them on your team you like them

And value what they can provide to you long term now heal can still be extended through June 30th but you know no one’s dumb like in eight days the Pacers lose all the power right they can’t trade him anymore they he has buddy heel is the

Only guy who can sign the extension so obviously they have to think about moving him I’m not saying that there’s no chance it happens but I think that that relationship is tighter than most people think given what the reporting felt like before the season that it was

Like well if he’s not signing we got to trade him Chad buenon GM I’m not saying you said that but like no no no no and and like I I say this to people all the time too like just be just because you know everyone has gotten so much into

This transaction brain where a guy’s about to become a free agent you have to trade him for something and it’s like well no sometimes sometimes a releasing the money is okay too and sometimes there’s just nothing out there worth worth taking back and you know it you

Know that the trade deadline to me is always about buyers and sellers there’s there’s teams that are looking to add something and teams looking to sell something the Pacers are buyers they’re not looking to just sell healed for nothing they they want they got to get something in return you know the magic

Are dealing that with that a little bit with Markel fol who’s going to be a free agent as well this summer doesn’t really seem like he fits the plans but the magic need a point guard really bad too and so if you’re not going to give them someone better they’re not gonna they’re

Not GNA trade him either they’ll they’ll they’ll eat the loss it is exactly and then there’s and then I think everyone forgets about this part too because we’ve all played 2K um and we played you know fantasy sports for our entire lives there’re these are human beings too and

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Years or what’s going to happen in the offseason so yeah I mean I I I’m right with you on that so the other new value for the P I’d even say this is the case for the magic with Folton I guess Gary Harris also right he’s expiring this

Year I you know is the value changes a little when you have a really good chance at some form of postseason play because not only do you have to I mean yeah you get a long-term asset maybe that’s appealing to you but you lose what they give you for this stretch run

And in that postseason play right like yeah that matters and so it’s not just like trading them away because they’re expiring it’s you’re also trading away what they actually provide your team the rest of this season right and so the value has to be high enough to not care

About that or like a long-term salary that fits that I I I’ve said a lot of stuff that makes that says like oh it sounds like they’ve ke him I don’t know it still does make a lot of sense for them to if they did trade buddy heeld

Like he’s their third fourth guard now they have a lot of other young guards so if they they can get like a longer term contract guard in that slot I think that would make a lot of sense for them because they’re got to think about the

Luxury tax next year after this the seak trade right so it’s certainly not like I’m certainly not ruling it out um by any stretch and it’s just hard to figure out exactly what his value is with only three months till he’s a free agent in theory he fits on any team because he’s

A really good shooter but there is a rental aspect to it his defense is not very good right so I think he in theory fits everywhere offensively but if the Pacers do think well we do need to think about moving him I’m not sure what the value actually is or where it exactly

Would land yeah and and and like this is I mean this has generally been my response whenever someone suggest buddy heal because look the fit for the magic like it you know the defense aside is really good the magic need a guy who’s going to take eight or nine threes a

Game and make three of them um they just don’t have they make three and a half of them a game they don’t have guys like that like the the magic are the worst three-point shooting team in the league if they can get someone and and it’s not even about the percentages anymore like

I tell people take the threes take take it’s not even just about taking the threes it’s the defense thinking you’re going and being worried that you could suddenly have a five threo night and score 30 points on them without even thinking like like honestly like if you

Go down the Magic’s roster you know France vager had a down three-point shooting year but he’s shooting 40% in his last 10 games since coming back from injury uh Palo ban Caro’s up around 35% he was like uh 33 if you take out January and February or take out

February when he was one for 18 he was sub30 last year Jaylen Suggs is up at 38% Joe Engles is shooting a little bit south of 40% the magic have guys who are by the Numbers shooting threes and shooting better than they did in previous Seasons that they’re not

Shooting enough of them and they’re missing the majority of them still that defenses are just like whatever like Joe Engles makes two threes in a game that’s not gonna kill us in the long run because you’re not going to make enough threes so like for me like everyone

Talks about marel F and how he compresses space which he does but I’m just I just tell them like it honestly doesn’t matter if markel’s in or if Cole Anthony’s in they’re going to treat them like their non-shooters because they’re not a big enough threat so you know

Getting a guy who is going to take if you give him the minutes will take 10 threes a game and be a threat to make four or five of them two out of every three nights that changes your offense and and that’s you know that is something the magic are missing to make

Their offense at least average Beyond even just good I think he fit very I think he’ fit very well for all the reasons you just you just laid out and but to like especially with Pao becoming a better Creator and guy with the ball right like anywhere with a good passing

Guy who dominates the ball buddy held’s gonna be just nice and snug just slide him in uh there is a challenge to a piece of magic trade with Buddy there’s two matching salaries are that’s the first one the other one is we’re very competive we’re very competitive and you

Don’t want to help your you don’t want to help your direct competitor true I didn’t even think I I know I know like I know like people go crazy about divisions and like whenever someone pitches me a trade from Miami it’s like Orlando is never helping Miami like

We’re not we’re not we’re like Pat Pat Riley can call we’re not picking up and and I’m pretty sure he would do the same for Jeff wman like there there’s still some of those simmering rivalries but like why would I mean we got to talk about it there is something that makes

Sense like stylistically and we’ll get to the salary bit here in a minute but why would Orlando and Indiana help each other when they’re fighting for the same thing it’s it’s you know that was the risk of Milwaukee Trading Drew holiday to Portland because the minute they

Traded Drew holiday to Portland I was I was thinking to myself Drew holiday would be a great fit in Boston and if if Boston doesn’t make that call they’re idiots um but they never get him out of Portland they never get him out of Milwaukee because why would those two teams

Talk exactly yeah that’s definitely a good part of it and maybe if it’s just like expiring at some tiny stuff they don’t care that much but I don’t know why the would necess yeah and and like this and this is this and like like you said this is the challenge so buddy he

Is making a $1 19.3 million this season expiring contract the magic just don’t have a lot of salaries at that level um Jonathan Isaac is the big one at 17.4 markl Foltz is at 17 but you know I’m sure Indiana you know Indiana is still kind now kind of

Loaded at forward um with Pascal sakam so maybe there’s some duplication there um Marquel folz probably doesn’t fit what they do since he is not very big offensively and then you just get to you know Gary Harris at 13 million expiring you know you know so maybe you could do

Gary Harris and schuma okk but like does that really help Indiana like both long-term and shortterm why why not just try and keep buddy healed at that point yeah I think the only thing that makes any sense there’s two things that would make sense I guess would be if the

Pacers really like chumo Kiki surprise that would surprise me or if it’s somehow Isaac and like Obi toppen goes somewhere else but that’s a big risk for as you know lots of reasons with Jonathan Isaac so it’s a lot of I mean it’s a big honestly it’s a big risk both

Ways because you know because Isaac I mean Isaac’s got the health issues no doubt about it um but when he plays he’s really good still like he is still a defensive player year a level player when he plays it’s the when he plays part that’s tricky and it it makes it

Hard for me to believe the magic or even entertaining offers for him even with how favorable his his contract is I think Gary Harris and uh Caleb Houston might actually be enough salary which it uh it gets to close Gary Harris is 13 Caleb Houston is two so that’s

15 that’s close jet Howard might you know jet Howard’s not playing for the magic right now oh the Pat will take a lottery pick yes I don’t I don’t think the magic are ready to trade him but they should that you know that or chumo KK who’s you know 5.3 million this year

Restricted free you get as restricted free agent rights yeah um you know that that gets you close but yeah you know this is I’ve been telling everyone this too like part of the Magic’s problem is they don’t have the salaries to match for some of these bigger deals and you

Know I I’ve been telling people this with Buddy hee specifically okay you want buddy hee how much do you want to pay him this summer like are you ready to give you know what is he 30 you 30 31 um are you ready to give a 31 year old a

Fouryear 12 million deal or something you know some you know are you ready to pay him 20 to 25 million a year for the next four years and I don’t think he’s going to take the welman special where everything’s front loaded um the magic

Have the cap room to do it and and on top of that the magic have the cap room to go out and sign him this Summer if they want him anyway like why give up something of value to get him yeah a three teamer might be the answer here

Right where someone who likes Juma or likes Caleb houon or whatever or really needs get or has something that Indiana wants cuz like the other problem Orlando is so defensive minded which Indiana needs but they still need some guys that are score and and I don’t think Orlando

Is in the position to give up anyone that can score right now exactly so maybe like someone who’s trying to dump long-term money like Atlanta or someone else could be the natural third team but I’m not in the business of uh constructing giant three team trade i i

I whenever someone pitches me a three- team trade I usually just reject it hot out of hand and say the the you add a third team the the more teams you add to a deal the less likely they become because trades are already hard to do

And and look like this this exercise is not meant to be a negotiation or or an evaluation of a trade I I’m I’m big on hostage everyone yes twice BL twice to Let’s know you’re okay um uh I tend to say like let’s find a framework for a

Deal let’s find like the basics of a deal we can you know we’ll let the executives fill in the details there is maybe a framework here but not a particularly strong strong one I would say like like of of the trade deadline tour that I’ve done Washington with tus

Jones probably had the strongest framework to make something happen um it it doesn’t feel like there’s there’s much motiv you know much motivation for either team to to make this happen because at the end of the day you know whatever the magic are offering unless they’re putting someone unexpected in

There um and and and the other part of this maybe we should mention this Cole Anthony actually uh goes out as a bigger salary than uh than he comes in because of his extension but um so maybe that’s someone you could throw into the mix too

But um but it doesn’t seem to make sense for either team to give things up and at the end of the day the magic are the ones getting the best asset and and look I I think Orlando is open to trading their first round pick they’ve got this really heavily protected 2025 Denver

Pick if they need some sweeteners um but I just I don’t think there’s a lot of motivation for Indiana and Orlando to help each other out there’s there’s nothing that just makes such perfect sense for each team to to to to pull pull something out I agree I think I

Think we’ve nailed this one even if there are players that make sense on both teams separately there’s not a deal that is is there I don’t think yeah yeah that’s that’s the way it goes sometimes that’s how these things go um but you know I I I will continue to say this I

Think and I think this is the case for both of these teams like this year might be a little bit more important for Indiana than it is Orlando but I I still get the sense that yeah I I get the sense that both teams are thinking of a

Two to four year window more than a one-year window they’re not like all their eggs aren’t in this basket and so I think it’s really important to remember with all of these things that we’re talking about the deadline things do carry over to the offseason and

There’s still a chance to do a lot more heavy lifting in the offseason when teams maybe aren’t held prisoner by the teams they have now and and the situations they’re in standings wise like you catch a team after disappointing playoff series when they’re like this we’ve gone as far as

We can go you’re not going to catch that team in February making that unless Chicago which you know CH any chance to clown the Bulls I mean any chance to clown the Bulls well we’re we’re we are our our whole roster the whole Orlando Magic roster exists to

Clown the Bulls at this point think about that that’s very true uh Tony I want to thank you for for jumping on here and chatting a little bit about Buddy hee and where the Pacers stand um it it’s obviously we will be chatting we might be chatting in April uh hopefully

Hopefully after game 84 instead game 83 um but uh we might be we might be chatting in April but tell everyone tell all my listeners where they can find you if they if they want to keep track of the Pacers you know one of my favorite

Teams to watch and one of the up and cominging teams here in the Eastern Conference yeah lock on Pacers for the the daily info like you can get from Philip about the magic um and they’re not like lighting it up for 140 every night anymore they’ve they’ve tweaked

Their team a little bit and it’s made them better but still an extremely fun offensive team and tyres hurn is back healthy so lots of good stuff over in pacland yep and of course we will all have our eyes on Indianapolis here in a couple of weeks I love gamebridge

Fieldhouse one of my favorite stadiums in in the league uh uh love the Circle City as well uh Tony uh thanks for jumping on and and as always we will see you in the Easter Conference Finals can’t wait I want to thank Tony for coming on

The show telling us a little bit make helping us go through some of the iterations with a potential buddy heel trade give us an Insight on on where the Indiana Pacers are at in their building and their rebuilding ideas uh as well as why they made the decision to go all in

You know I would say all in but to push some chips in for Pascal SE yakum certainly the magic are very very close to that point too I think we can all feel it um so we’ll see if that if that if the magic follow a similar path here

In the next year or so but that’s going to do it for me today I want to thank you all again for listening to today’s episode of lockdown magic you course find me on Twitter Philip romd subscribe podcast on Apple podcast sit your tun in him Google play Spotify Odyssey and all

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Tomorrow as the Orlando Magic take on in the Minnesota timber a complete recap of that game hopefully I’ll see some of you at the watch party downtown at Elixir um but uh the traffic’s going to be really crazy downtown Orlando leading into the marathon on Saturday so be warned for

That um but hopefully I’ll see some of you there as we take on the Minnesota terminals we’ll recap that game uh when we’re all done there but that’s going to do it for me tonight I want to thank you all again for listening to today’s episode of lock on Magic for Orlando

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