Five on the Floor LIVE | Heat-Mavericks

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And Alex Toledo plus others from the five reasons Sports Network all right welcome back to five on the floor I guess we are live unless you’re listening on the podcast feeds the next day today’s floor plan I’m Ethan scull you can follow me Ethan j skulling five reason Sports we got Greg

Sander you can follow me Greg sander Alex Leo can follow the tropical blanket and Brady Hawk you can follow at Brady Hawk 305 the Miami Heat lose 114 to 108 in Dallas first game of a two- game trip game against OKC is coming up a very winnable game

Tonight I think we’ll start there and I’ve noticed a trend whenever the Heat have one of those first quarters with they’re clicking offensively they lose I I I I I wish there was a way to empirically well there probably is uh empirically check this out maybe it’s just a gut feel that

I have on this but it’s almost like things were too smooth in the first quarter but one guy was not particularly involved in that which was Jimmy Butler and then that kind of carried over until it was too late but we’ll get into all the specifics of this game and what

Happened if you’re watching on the YouTube channel we will take your comments as well um Miami had a chance again they pulled even after falling behind by 11 in late in the third quarter and the game was there for them and then a series of things happened some of them were Luca

Related and some of them unfortunately for the heat were bam related uh one of Bam’s worst games in a while particularly down the stretch and we’ll get in again to that and then of course we’ll talk about our gamer of the night who’s the guy who kept them in it uh but

Before we go further and again we’ll talk about him next uh Greg I’ll go to you on this um this is the kind of game where like you know they’re playing against a good West team that is struggled of late okay that has not played well defensively

That’s been going through kind of an existential crisis I mean that a lot of criticism of the head coach and whether the trades worked at the deadline um it’s the kind of game that I I feel like Miami is going to play in the playoffs and I was waiting for the Takeover yeah

When they pulled even and then it’s just a series of mistakes and I we’re going to focus on bam some but also Caleb who did a lot of really good things to get them back in it committed kind of a silly foul really bad and I really bad

Foul I mentioned uh you know Jimmy kind of waiting too long to to really engage in this game and they just I don’t know they they they didn’t they didn’t execute but it just seems like they didn’t Focus yeah in those last few minutes well it it’s a combination of

Jimmy and Bam being as pedest as we’ve seen them be in quite some time both in their different ways I thought B made some really careless mistakes late Jimmy turnovers um were an issue all night and just overall aggressiveness uh you know he shows the flashes because he’s Jimmy

And that’s what uh what makes it FR frustrating at times but otherwise um when you’re playing a guy like LCA that can make those kind of tough shots those momentum swinging plays that we we saw happen tonight uh it just ended up being a situation where the heat got out played late they

Played well enough offensively to win I thought it’s just a situation where late there were plays made by Dallas and uh they were at home the heat also got down in this game and had to CLA claw their way back and So eventually that um you know you keep clawing back keep clawing

Back uh you can’t keep taking punches eventually you got to take a a a a a big blow to them that he just never got to that tonight so ultimately a loss and now they head to Oklahoma City where it does not get any easier no not in the

Second night a back toback against a young team like that with that kind of talent uh again we’re going to talk about the rock eorts gamer of the night in a second and we’ll also talk about Duncan’s efficiency and some of the other things that went right tonight but

Let’s just say this before we go forward and and Brady I’ll let you tap in on this Kevin Love needs to come back man like I you know we we we we spent a lot of time talking about Tyler hero and and you know for for a good reason but

You’ve talked about it like they cannot afford to lose Kevin Love like they have no answer at that spot whatsoever is there anything because they can’t survive those minutes like those minutes killed them again tonight like I’m watching Thomas Bryant they’re throwing him in pick and rolls or making him use

His feet it’s just I mean it’s as bad as the dead minutes got by the end it’s as bad as the Zeller minutes got by the end is there anything that spoke could have done tonight would you have used yic as a backup five like what where could he

Have gone because I the Bryant minutes when you lose a game like this by six but it was actually really a more of a onep possession game until the very end like you cannot afford to have a guy on the floor doesn’t belong on the floor

And the bigger problem is when you when we’re sitting here talking about how bad bam was and Thomas Bryant still stuck out and was a problem like that’s even more problematic um yeah you just can’t have that that’s why I made my case that I feel like Kevin lovees their most

Important role player for this very reason because yeah we can say that they have other options and and if there was an option I mentioned it kind of at halftime I felt like they could have went to Shrunk the rotation played yic as the back of five let him find a

Little bit of Rhythm because we have this this conversation where like okay if he doesn’t start he doesn’t play but there’s a thing also where if he does start and he does play he’s probably only gonna get an eight minute stint in each half if that so you better make you

Better have like a good Rhythm run because if you don’t you’re not getting back in the game um and it just felt like a game where they could have survived it a little bit if they were going to stay in zone anyway and just try to figure it out because like you

Said as much as Miami was going at Luca early in the game the Mavericks were going at Thomas Bryant and they were kind of kind of making and then you talked about a foul from Caleb late in the game like I like plays like the one where where you know Thomas Bryant jumps

Out of the corner shooter and fouls them when they were kind of building a little bit of momentum like that stuff it just kind of sucks the air out of the Arena a little bit like it’s just it’s tough to move past that so uh I mean Kevin Love

Get healthy but like I said before like you kind of have to just roll with the punches with this right now so we’re not talking about this in the playoffs like let Kevin Love get healthy now let’s talk about these bad decisions now as their backup five so that you know in

April we’re not having this conversation but to quickly say something on the the BAM Jimmy thing number one we have this conversation every single year when they play in Dallas because this same thing happens in Dallas every year it’s they pack the pain on Jimmy Jimmy doesn’t look like Jimmy Jimmy has trouble

Scoring it’s just the issue was this time bam was right there with them and Bam was even worse with the scoring and the inefficiency but they have this thing where they basically just they’ll send help from the the opposite weak side box and they’ll just kind of make

Jimmy shoot mid-range jumpers or make bam shoot like tough Jumpers in that that range and the issue I had with it is not the fact that they’re that bam and Jimmy are missing shots because that’s GNA happen they’re if if we’re sitting type of inefficiency it is what

It is but I didn’t feel like that was the problem the problem felt like they if you in this certain coverage if you take your time and throw up four pump fakes or if you’re not like having the first thought to try and get to your

Spot and score if you even have like a semi thought to stop that they have you right where they like right where they want you like they just do so there’s too many times where Jimmy and Bam are sitting in this range and spinning and pivoting and pump faking and it’s like

That is the one thing that this coverage wants you to do so it it just literally felt like a rerun of the last you know this podcast is going to feel like a rerun of the last four times that they played in Dallas in the regular season

It just happens every time well it actually feels like it goes back even further uh earlier than Jimmy and Bam I covered a lot of games in Dallas that for whatever reason went the wrong direction going all the way back to bumpgate uh with different rosters and

All the rest that but it does feel like kid for whatever the criticisms of him are and there are a lot of criticisms of him from Dallas fans and media right now he has a handle on Jimmy he does I I I think the way that they they guard him

Is something that other teams are going to look at and there was this one sequence where like they just when the game started to get away when they pushed up to 11 before they got it back under control and again Caleb had a lot to do

With that as did Jimmy and so did hakz but there was that one sequence where they all were not looking at the basket like they like bam kicked it out Jimmy kicked it out everybody’s kicking the ball out nobody’s going towards the basket when you have opportunities

Against a team like this to score inside You’ got to go and they just didn’t go enough all right Alex I’m goingon to go to you um next but I let’s tee this up first uh because we do want to mention this great sponsor because we’re going to be there tomorrow

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Night all right I do want to mention we are going to be there tomorrow night Alex just threw it up there five o’clock for the 2K tournament so play against us and others I don’t know if I’m going to go against Brady again that was embarrassing for me uh but we’re going

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Is the easiest one we’ve had in a long time Terry Rosier was outstanding uh 40 minutes 27 points on 10 of 17 shooting five of eight from three I told you he’s streaky man he’ll have these games and then he’ll go one of 17 in his next few so don’t get too

Used to it but he does have these kind of games six rebounds 11 assists two steals no turnovers no turnovers um we’re gonna get more into bam here in a second because I I do feel like that’s in a lot of ways the story of the end of the game

But Alex uh I mean Terry’s getting his legs under him right no no doubt I mean this is probably easily the most impressive game he’s had in a heat uniform and I know a lot of people have been down on him lately I haven’t I i’ I think he’s been pretty

Good overall not that he’s been like all the way where he needs to be as far as the shooting and you saw that tonight like he is capable of getting real hot from down there and I think his game in general and we’ve talked about this planning is just something that the heat

Had been missing for a while where it’s just like the extra you know extra layer of chaos and you know obviously the rim pressure and playmaking it’s somebody who you saw it tonight Jimmy and Bam both struggled both had bad offensive games uh bam was five of 14 or whatever

It was and Jimmy you know only had two free throw attempts had I think six turnovers like just bad offensive games from your two best players everybody else played great and Terry was at the top of that I mean I’m not gonna say everybody but a lot of the other players

That that played a lot of minutes tonight for the Heat played really well and Terry 27 points again 11 assists zero turnovers two steals even the six rebounds all of that is extremely impressive I thought he was the reason that this this game kind of didn’t get

Out of hand um when the Mavs made those runs I think in the second quarter and then again the bigger one in the third quarter when they got outscored by what was it 12 like Terry was the one and then once again in the fourth like he

Was the one that kept getting them buckets and kept generating stuff for them and you know he had like three or four lobs tonight he was just just you know he was really getting going out there I thought he was awesome and you know it’s one of those games where I I

Think this is going to help him get going a little bit it’s one of those where like it I feel it probably gets your confidence to a certain degree not that Terry struggles with confidence or or anything like that but you know he he’s really getting going here and you

Can see the the ways that he can really impact an offense and again in a night where Jimmy and Bam were awful I think if they if they just gave you like Bel just below average games even right Jimmy and Bam offensively I think you probably win I think they made some

Mistakes and especially that CA foul at the end was was you know that kind of killed any of their chances but Terry was the one keeping them in there because like you said earlier Ethan that first quarter you know was it was nice everything came so effort effortlessly

For the Heat and it was very smooth but then they only scored what was it 22 in the second and once their offense you know fell off a cliff I think their defense was struggling too and I think the the big difference tonight was the transition play and I I think that’s

Where the Mavs really got going they were getting a lot of stuff in transition and semi- transition and when you look at the numbers in the half court like the Heat and Mavs shot pretty similarly like the the heat shot had a great three-point shooting night 46%

From three and then you look at their mid-range nine of 25 which is really tough and the Mavs made five more of those than you you made four more at The Rim than the Mavs did so like everything was kind of even there the Mavs also also shot really well from three the

Transition play to me is what separated this game on top of you know Jimmy and Bam not being enough Terry was fantastic there were other guys you mentioned it uh that played well tonight um let’s start with Duncan seven of 10 from the floor five of eight from three

For 19 four and two foul trouble took him out of it a little bit I thought SPO waited a little too long to get him back in there was there was that lineup in the fourth quarter that had no spacing uh that then until they got Duncan back

In the the game um yic was okay uh nothing special hakz I thought had one of his better games in terms of just going to the basket attacking plus he made uh the three uh the three threes had 13 points six rebounds and again Caleb had some moments he ended up

Fouling out of the game had the terrible foul at the end but uh he had uh well he had the one situation where he locked up Kyrie which was terrific and he had the huge three um during that stretch where they made it back in but let’s pivot back to B

Okay because gab cardan was on playback and I want to run this by you Brady and then we’ll circle around on this is that you know we can talk about you know him taking enough shots not taking enough shots I see in the chat some are saying

14 shots is too much for him they want him taking 15 plus there’s been that conversation over the past few years so him taking 14 shots is not the problem uh the problem to me is the decisiveness and and then again sometimes he’s indecisive and then sometimes he rushes

But Gad I thought hit on it and it’s not even something I’ve really thought about but now that I’m starting to he won’t use his left around the basket and gad’s theory on this and he said this on playback just before we got off was that teams

Are locked into that now and so that that’s maybe some of the reason for the efficiency he inefficiency he missed that Bunny at the end um he just he I don’t know he just looked out of sorts uh at the end of that game Brady I’ll go

To you first do you see anything different there from him or the way that teams are guarding him different not really I mean a lot of the shots he’s taking are you know everybody talks about like it being somewhat inefficient shots so it’s just like about some of them going in or not

But the one Trend that I do see and it’s not even really you know coverage related he’s had a lot of rough first halves recently like I I literally would well sit next to Alex at at these home games and tell him like every game he’ll

Be like three for 10 at halftime and then end up with 22 points and it’s like he it you know credits him for picking it up second half and that ends up being the topic of the night most times because they they end up winning but he

Really has kind of struggled a lot of these first halfs to find a flow that I even think back to to a certain point in the season where a large pocket of the season the first play of the game was the same play every game where they set

The cross screen for Bam Bam gets to the mid-range and gets a shot why did they do that well it’s a good action but it’s also because hey we need bam to get a flow offensively for everything around us to work that’s just what needs to be

Done because yeah they they shot at an ungodly level in that first quarter but like the truth was they had nobody that was putting pressure from Jimmy and Bam in the paint that was gonna like make that work long term in that game you need bam and Jimmy and these guys to do

That so they really just need bam to kind of hit those type of shots they need him to attack I mean the one you know the one positive thing I could say about it is or I don’t even know if this is positive but like he definitely

Doesn’t get you know a good whistle like so if he’s like just putting his head down and attacking like that like it’s not going to get him anywhere so he kind of has to be forced to take some you know smarter shots in different ranges but the left thing is interesting

Because that’s kind of feeds into kind of what I was saying like they he waits those extra half seconds extra seconds where he’s pump faking to kind of get back to that baby right hook or trying to get back to where he he finds positioning to try to rise up and dunk

Over the top of you like he kind of Waits a little bit too long in this type of matchup there’s certain match ups you can get away with it this is just a tough one but no win or loss no matter what like they legitimately need ban to

Not be in his head and I felt like to your point Ethan because you hit on it like he kind of seemed out of sorts I felt like he was in his head in this entire game and it just puts you in a tough spot because defensively I felt

Like at the beginning of that game he was doing things in drop that that you wanted him to do uh they started you know messing with coverages and Luca is just such a handful to deal with but it it all came down to what he was going to

Give you offensively and it’s it just felt like he was out of his spots we go back to you on this uh Greg we do see a couple comments in here that one of our viewers met the Great Marco Romo at the game today so we had Marco

Covering in Dallas although Marco uh last two times I’ve said Marco that the result is not been good for the heat so he he might be permanently uh permanently banned um Greg I I don’t want to overreact on the BAM stuff uh with some of the things I’m seeing in

The chat this is post All-Star game bam we saw him tail off a little bit after the All-Star game last year um I I have noticed what Brady’s noticed that he doesn’t get off to particularly good starts of late but I I think that to me

The the the bigger issue is what I don’t want to see okay everybody’s talking about okay 14 shots too many no what I don’t want to see is him being indecisive and I saw a lot of that late and and the indecisiveness leads to the inaccuracy from him like that’s that’s

The way it always looks to me I agree and I think that tonight was just uh a glaring example but he’s getting it out of his system so that by the time April rolls around he’ll be in good shape that’s kind of how I’m approaching this

I think that um he’s shown that he has evolved his game year overy year in ways and um I think he’ll continue to do that and so this is obviously been a rough stretch post All-Star break bam people talk about that being a thing ultimately they’ve still had deep playoff runs as

Him being their second best player and I think that that’ll continue so like I I’m not going to overreact but tonight he was awful there was too many missed shots he was um and you know so we don’t need to necessarily uh say that there’s a

Problem here but I but tonight it was an issue we just keep coming back to it like we can talk about all the rooll guys and the rotation stuff and everything else and that their two best players don’t play well they don’t typically win I mean particularly

Against decent teams on the road like you had you had both things tonight that you can’t have which is you had a passive Jimmy early in the game because this team takes its energy from him and when he’s not showing it early even though they efficient and I really do

Want to look it up and see if there’s anything to the fact that whenever they get off to hot shooting starts they end up falling apart offensively as the game progresses it does feel like that when things are easy early um they don’t grind the games out the way that they

Should as as the games go onim no and actually referenced that and in the past he’s he’s referenced that that that whenever they get a big lead he doesn’t feel good about and of course they were up I think as much as 12 in the first and this comes in from that

Guy Ellie uh establishing Jimmy would have been nice too yes but Jimmy has to establish himself like that’s I you know there there there’s a little of both and and we’re gonna get to the let’s get to the play of the night because it allows

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Not expecting the one that came from 28 feet but we do have to reference Luca here uh 35 points 11 rebounds 11 assists and that thing he threw over his shoulder from the corner was was he out of bounds on that Alex I don’t there was

Some that saying that was a stru play and that he got away with it it was a big shot actually in terms of the the turning the tener of the game I’m not sure I’m not sure about the out of- bounds part but that shot was just

Ridiculous man it was just insane Luca is something else man modern day Larry Bird whatever you want to call it like he’s he’s ridiculous he gonna stay in Dallas when he’s playing with maxi Cleber no Tim Hardway Jr was three of 11 tonight um I like Lively but he played

23 minutes uh Gafford who they just picked up I guess Derek our old friend DJJ PJ Washington like I mean of course KY Kyrie had 23 tonight a 9 and9 shooting but um I don’t know Greg I I don’t think he’s winning anything there right here’s my theory and I’m okay to

Go on record with this I believe that one day Luca and and Joker are gonna play together so I don’t know where that’s going to be but I believe that they’ll play together so maybe that’s Denver yeah I think it’s more likely is gonna turn over in his grave if that

Happens I think it’s Denver I I don’t I don’t think I don’t think it’s I don’t think it’s I don’t think it’s Dallas I don’t think I don’t think Joker would bother to move honestly just he he did say he actually he said that the oldstar

Game right he’ll come to me you know at at some point look Luca is remarkable in a lot of ways I just wonder God if you got him hurt if uh Luca I mean Denver gets Luca and it’s not Miami like whatever that happens would he be the first guy to go

Like to to to choose a market like Denver like a free agent like that to go te up it feels like that would be the first right I mean Durant left OKC for for a bigger Market they probably would LeBron left for a bigger Market yeah something something like that um but

Anyway look the fact is 35 11 and 11 they still should have won this game because the Heat’s two best players combined for 28 13 and 10 11 of 26 from the field again good not good enough uh it’s it’s got to be better than that um we’ve talked about

Bryant we’ve talked about uh We’ve Ted what did you think of Yi’s uh 14 minutes uh 16 minutes tonight Brady I mean the first thing I thought was really good I mean but I mean every everybody’s first s was good because they were just clicking and shooting at

A different level but they I thought like they were playing much faster than like they have in a long time in that first quarter like just watching Terry and and and Nico bring the ball down like they were really moving they were slipping back door they were cutting

They were finding opportunities uh and the offense just kind of hit a wall after that so that’s why I was like I felt like if there was a time to play Nico and bring him back in for that second stin it would just be instead of Thomas Bryant let him run the second

Unit let him just sit in the back of the zone and let him run the offense a little bit and see if you could create some spacing because the issue with the with the like not to pile on Thomas Bryan or anything but it was like the

Little bit of the problems was the spacing issue because you know he’s in the corner spotting up for three and shooting them but he like his Defender is on the opposite corner so like that becomes a problem spacing wise and you have a guy like Nico that you can

Obviously run as your you know point guard and and setting up your sets that the spacing would just open up so I mean I thought he looked good like I said in that first in the second half it seemed like he was still trying to find his

Flow again and it feels like it’s always like that but e as we say like he’s playing in a lineup with Jimmy and Bam who are you know even on a night that they’re not playing well need the ball in their hands Terry had the ball in his

Hands more than we’ve seen in a heat uniform tonight as he was in that type of flow and Duncan didn’t miss so like there’s only so much opportunity for him to have the ball where it’s like let him play in that other lineup instead of Thomas Bryant where he’s actually having

The ball in his hand and making an impact so uh I thought he was fine I never want to see them signed another slow-footed Center that SPO allows to take threes never again agree does he want Tak threes I I I don’t know but it’s the same thing that we said the

Same thing we said about deadmond it’s literally it’s repeated itself now except it’s happened faster like I mean he hasn’t thrown anything on the court like Dwayne did but like it’s happened faster now like at least deadmond had that stint that first year where he was

Really good and we’re like oh it’s kind of cute that he can shoot the occasional three I don’t want to see Thomas BR like you said they have so many options I’m not saying they’re a great offensive team but they got a lot of guys who can

Do different things the last thing I want to see is Thomas Bryan taking a three yep there there’s no like Haywood Heisman taking a three I get it because like if he’s going to be left open he has to take that shot it’s correct the

Ball flows to those are going to be open and he’s got to make some of them to stay on the court and he did play I guess Haywood played eight minutes tonight very short stint but but Thomas Bryan should not all he should be doing is rolling that’s it just roll on the

Offensive end and hope you get a dunk or two and hope he doesn’t destroy you on the defensive end and to be honest I I don’t really understand why he went with Brian ahead of Orlando Robinson tonight uh unless I I don’t I don’t get it like

As he I mean I know Orlando was not great the last time he played but I feel like he’s at least he doesn’t kill you right like I I don’t it’s just tonight Dallas has been really bad defensively so maybe they thought they could get a spark from Thomas Bryan off you know

Offensively tonight because Dallas has been so you know frankly putrid lately but you know like obviously that didn’t late as the game went on I’m with Brady go smaller play play yo uh Nico like what are we doing here like that I I don’t see any downside to that and I

Also don’t think that Dallas is overwhelming from a size perspective where you can’t play Nico in that role sometimes it just feels like SPO is just playing The Bigs just to say to Pat here I played him well isn’t that the issue when like you feel like again yic

Is not a five and I’m not g I’m not saying that he is but like he can’t play he can’t step up into that role so you have to play another five there into those minutes and I think that’s where the problem is it’s like if you had

Another vet big um who could step in here that you felt better about just for like you know basically what they did with Patty Mills right where it’s like you get an insurance policy just in case you know a shooter is out if I think if

You had a big that a vet big that you felt okay about when somebody you know when a guy like K Love is out they’ll probably be in a you know in a in a better position and honestly to me like they’re backup big problem with Orlando

And Thomas to me like both of those guys they’re their problem a lot of times has been like you know we talk about their defense being an issue I think the offense is a bigger issue with those guys they’re just kind of in the way

They’re kind of in the way and there was like one play in I think early in the second half if I remember correctly where Jimmy like uh uh Thomas was about to come to to set a screen for Jimmy up top and then Jimmy told him get out of

Here get out of here like literally there’s no point for you coming in here and screaming like nothing is gonna come out of the role for Thomas Bryant Jimmy’s not gonna have space to operate and he already had so little space tonight and not to excuse Jimmy and Bam

But I do think like it’s not coincidental that they both really struggle tonight and I do think it’s relevant that I I I think a game plan that teams are going to go to and we’ve talked about this before throughout the right I think it’s a you know not to

Give away the game right but I do think if you overload against the Heat you pack the paint against Jimmy and Bam’s actions and you just you know you take away the short mid-range from them and force them to spray it out which the heat took I think 47 threes tonight

Again they made a ton so it worked out but I don’t think that’s the game that the heat want to play I don’t think they want they took they they took 38 but I they but which is a lot actually Dallas Dallas took 41 Miami didn’t help it self by going 11

Of 17 from the line by the way uh which is uncharacteristic of them and did hurt them late but I I’ll say this if they got they got outrebounded uh 45 to 37 but the big thing is offensive rebounding was 10 to two yeah in favor of Dallas and and my

My thing is this if you’re gonna get outrebounded by that while you’re playing in IM mobile bad backup big then yeah just go small like I if you’re going to get out rebounded anyway then just put High Smith out there or you know if it’s not even going to be yic or

Just go with an extra guard for the hell of it just play dlon Wright but like it playing the extra big does not help Thomas Bryant does not help them rebound the ball so to me there’s no point to ever put him out there and I I’m I’m

Past the point of trying these experiments I just I just am it’s just it doesn’t and I’m looking at the numbers I know Alex you’re going to tell me that you know again don’t look at individual plus minus for one game I was just curious because I was trying

Because we did used to always look at the dead minutes and that they would kill them they were only a minus one in Thomas Bryant’s minutes it felt much worse than that for whatever reason okay because sometimes when you’re a minus one you could have been a plus five

Because other guys were playing well but this guy was again getting in the way so I I just don’t see the point of it like you mentioned one more backup big like this is why we were talking about the likes of fad young or somebody who just

Could at least plug a hole in the front Court but well I know that’s your guy all right let’s mention the injury report here because it gets into the guy who was missed a lot today and now it’s time for the official five on the floor injury report

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Usually isn’t GNA play any of them even though he did tonight all right so the injury report Tyler hero as you know did not make the trip we just did 48 minute podcast on him yesterday Brady and I so listen to that one no need to go into

More of it when is he coming back I have no idea um I really don’t this foot injury is mysterious it’s not even the thing I thought was hurt so we’re not sure if he’ll be back and I don’t know if you’re rushing him back to play against Washington on Sunday night so

I’m I don’t know that Tyler’s gonna be back this week uh Kevin Love thing is is more pressing I think at the moment and we talked about it earlier in the podcast again he told me he thought he broke the foot um at first that’s what

He told spola turned out to not to be so bad he said it was he I said when will you play he says as soon as it’s not crazy sore um so he didn’t think he would make the trip I do think you could see Kevin back Sunday um I do think that

You could see Kevin back Sunday and and that will that will help them a lot I just think that this is a convers aggregated this is a conversation I think that that has to be had and we’re laughing about it Turtle because he’s got the the uh the whole backup big

Thing and he’s you know he he still wants him to sign uh uh I don’t know I who are R Ron tur off he’s not available Mo B right you can’t you can’t just sign a guy he’s not another roster but he knows that but uh I do think that this off

Season they need to look at who they can play at that spot not just who fills a quot for big guy okay in the lane just to please Pat like you know like they got I mean like Kevin Love Can Play Still the fact that that he’s not you

Know a traditional five is fine um now we’re on the nland Noel kick I’ll just say this about nland Noel lots of teams have passed under Noel over the past three years I know Greg you’ve talked about him him quite a bit um well I’ll

Go to Brady on this one what what what would you look for in a backup fight because I don’t know that they can expect Kevin to play at this level next year we didn’t think he was going to play at this level this year so what

What would you go get that would be support not to play with bam because we know spo’s not going to do that it looks like yic is the is the at least the the you know the solution there at least on a short minute basis what kind of backup

Big would you get behind bam I mean I think that you need one of the two of spacing or switch ability like you can’t have neither and it feels like for the past few years they’ve had neither behind bam so if you can find somebody that can like ideally provide both but

At least provide one I feel like would kind of be just kind of a big you know nod for SPO to utilize the guy and and feel comfortable with it just because there’s a factor there where he can kind of work them into one of the sides of

The ball but I know we’re going on a backup big tangent and like I and I know I mentioned the Thomas Bryant stuff but like let me also just say like that this is not was not like a top five reason they lost this game no like this is like

This game is not on thas bran this game is the starting five was a bigger issue than the back five inting this put that into some context but it be nice if they had a guy that they could go to for a few minutes where they wouldn’t feel like you had to

Rush bam back on the floor maybe when he’s out of rhythm and you could actually go with someone else for a period of time and they just don’t have that guy look I would take you can’t now because he’s 45 years old and he’s he’s running like Canadian Olympic team or

Something I’d take a guy like the warden back seriously like Greg like if they had a Joel Anthony is a backup five like that would be fun mention like the modern day Joel like I mean maybe with better hopefully well bio is well they got him paid once but yeah he’s with the

Team right now but yeah like just need at least he’d give you the switch ability not the shooting but that’s all they need they need got to run around and and just be in the right place and create some havoc and get some offensive rebounds and not kill you and I don’t

You know Thomas Bryant seems like a nice guy um but there’s a Denver played DeAndre Jordan ahead of him yeah and they gave him play option let me remind everybody so Thomas br will be back and so that’s also why it wasn’t so easy to just dump his contract um and Orlando

Robinson is they basically bet on one of those two guys to pop and one of those two guys has not popped and so now why have they not been able to develop bigs other they’re gonna tell me they developed bam but I’m sorry he’s the 14th pick of the draft we past that

Point they have they no no they have been no but this this is a fair question okay okay because they have developed at every other position they found these guys right Shooters stru Robinson we’ll see what swier becomes you know point guards maybe not as much okay but Gabe

Was a developmental project obviously um they found these tweener type guys like Caleb and and high Smith right Jamal Kane looks like okay he’s a functional NBA player when they’ve given him some opportunity they have had a they’ve had a bad run of Bigs like they they don’t

Who’s the last big that they like that that they read I I think to me what stands out when you try to you know do this like exercise comparing you know um the caliber of players that they’ve tried to develop you know as like a fringe big

Over the years even going back to the big three years if you want to you know go back to there we know all thead you mentioned the other day Mel gladness P there’s so many Curry Greg Odin exactly exactly all that I think and now when you’re talking about guys like Orlando

And Thomas I don’t to me what separates them from the other like undrafted type of players that they’ve developed over the years is that they don’t have one skill that I’m looking at like okay you can build off of that and I’m not trying to trash them at all I’m not saying like

They have no skill I’m not saying that it’s like usually the other guys I feel for the most part have like you know what they’re really good at and then you try to build off of that or at least what they can theoretically be really really good at right and with Orlando

With Thomas it’s just like a blank slate you’re just trying to throw them in is like this slot them in type of Center screen and roll I don’t think and this is the problem with the backup center big for them it’s BR was talking about switchability or spacing to get both is

Nearly impossible with like the the type of backup bigs they go after which are like better and minimum type of guys right and then if you’re getting a guy let’s say they like bomo was out there and you picked him up right because he can protect the rim a little bit you

Know he’s okay I think he’s better than what they have right now right let’s say that was out there I think he still takes up a lot of space in the pay because he’s going to be screening and rolling and I don’t think yeah I don’t I

Don’t know if they need another one of those guys like I would absolutely take bio over what they have right now but to me like you want another spacing big because you’re probably not going to be able to find a switchable one you know at that like contract slot that you’ve

Been giving back up fives unless you draft one and there you go I was about to get to that and uh they don’t have their their first rounder this year right oh they do no they do they do they and their second round there oh one of

Those got to be a big right yeah right no but but that’s the thing they tried with precious right they did try that was the last guy that they tried to position they tried but but I think it’s fair to say and this comes in and I mentioned him earlier Joel Anthony is

Probably the last big that they’ve developed out of nothing right okay I know bam isn’t at that same level I know we’re talking about two different I’m not giving you Bam’s Bam’s a top half of the first round I mean I there was a lot more raw material with bam I’m talking

About like they are incredible at finding wings and and guards that are and Shooters who are NBA players who nobody thought was an NBA player but as far as bigs they haven’t found that guy like I you know what I’m saying like that that’s that’s what I’m saying in

Look yovic yic is a first- round pick with tremendous potential right so I you know if he develops obviously they’ll get credit for that but I’m I’m talking about the guy I’m talking about they they have not found a lot of stru equivalence in the front side the skill

Set is not there and then you look at yeah if you want H is the guy who had a skill set and it’s like okay he’s a rim protecting big who can rebound the hell out of the ball and he used to score inside like pretty well too like

He had good touch inside and I I don’t feel like you know they’re trying to get again this is going to sound disrespectful I really don’t mean it to they’re trying to get bottom of the barrel bigs and find something out of them a lot of these guys are bottom of

The barrel bigs for a reason and I don’t and I really do think that’s the difference and Bam look bam wasn’t even supposed to go in the lottery I remember he was outside of that range I know it’s a different conversation all I’m saying is they definitely deserve credit for

Bam because nobody thought bam was gonna be anywhere B says that’s luck anyway I he does I’m giv I’m giving them plenty of credit for bam I I I’m not saying I’m talk but I’m I’m drawing the equivalent to the guys that everybody thought were not NBA players and they made them into

NBA players and I just don’t see the level of Success With The Bigs and maybe it’s just harder um but you know obviously Hassan is a good example of a guy yes that they they found and unfortunately the other stuff with him was not there but he made a lot of money

Off of him and he got to feed his fish so we’re at the point where everybody in the comments is is talking about like oh they shouldn’t have traded precious uh who was by who is trash and is still trash by the way again like I’m sorry he

Just hasn’t been good in the NBA but we could talk about that another time the other thing is like B bow like people are commentating about B he were never going to draft him not drafted for them he was not drafted it’s just like the Marcus thoron

Pick a bunch of years ago like and the bogdanovich pick like they were they were drafted but they were not they were not drafted for them those were predetermined trades they never had B bow other than him being announced for them that’s it he was being always being

Sent somewhere else I I’ll say this okay I understand the attraction to Orlando Robinson for them and and I think part of it is he’s a Heat player in terms of demeanor attitude and intelligence yeah like he fits like he’s a bright guy we’ve had him on the podcast and all

That but there’s obviously some physical limitations there that if spoler is playing Thomas Bryant over him when we know at this point that Thomas Bryant can’t play for them bad it does seem like the Orlando Robinson thing has kind of come to to an end and who knows I

Mean they’ve had guys develop after we didn’t think they could develop Gabe is a good example of that Duncan you know over and over but I don’t know I I was I was hoping Orlando Robinson would overtake Thomas Bryant by now to the point we wouldn’t be talking about

Thomas Bryant in the last third of the last quarter of the season and we are and he wasn’t the reason they lost theam and Jimmy or Thomas I I I agree I look I agree with you I want a lot of Threes either but I’m I I I’m with you all

Right anyway we went I said 20 minutes tonight we’re at 44 all right so there you go we’re almost made it to a full game all right we’re we’re we’ll be back tomorrow Rocky Sports Center um come join us Greg will be handling the podcast and uh you can just start the

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