Knicks would shoot so many free throws against us if we played them I hope not
mattmandental
Honestly watching pascal play he seems to get hit more often than most and rarely gets a call
thfcspur
I totally get that free throws shouldn’t be even and different play styles can lead to different results.
However, the lakers are a monstrous outlier. Having one team that has almost triple the difference of the next best team is suspect.
mattatwork_
weird thing is we have the highest points in the paint, too. usually that nets more free throws. Lakers are #2 last i checked, too.
roachfarmer
This some bullshit!
Kmalbrec
Idk whether to take this as an insult or a compliment
International_Link35
Taking the Pacers entirely out of this equation, that is still an absolutely ridiculous differential between the Lakers and anybody else.
dfrank129
This is misleading because people place too much stock in per game stats when they’re less important for evaluating differentials.
Also, this is misleading because a lot of people have confused this with actual fts taken (I’ve seen confusion on other posts of this same stat on r/NBA and here). Lakers last I checked were 5th in ftapg, not even close to leading the league. When it was Charlotte 5 or 10 years ago doing the exact same thing, nobody cared. But now it’s the Lakers…
Lastly, if anyone cares to do any more than skim box scores, here’s another way of looking at it. For differentials, per game stats are misleading and are way less important. Even if the pacers have a higher ppg and paint ppg than most teams, it’s largely a result of pace. And it turns out their pace is identical to their collective opponents. Turns out pacers opponents also have a really high ppg and paint ppg. So the pacers scoring so much per game is less meaningful than per possession. The pacers have amongst the highest percent of their own shots taken from 3 and amongst the highest 3pa per possession. And their opponents have amongst the highest paint fga per possession. Additionally, I’ll piggyback on the TJ post from a couple days ago about his drives or paint points without fouls. He plays not to get fouled. He pulls up all the time and when he can’t get a clean look, he dribbles out and passes. So even a lot of our paint shots shouldn’t contribute to ftas.
So within games played by the pacers, they definitely should shoot way less fts than their opponents. That’s not to say they don’t get some bad calls, but it wouldn’t make up for the gap. Everyone gets bad calls Apply this to Lakers and you get the same thing. They take a very high percentage of their own shots from the paint and unlike TJ’s, those shots draw contact very often. It’s not their paint shots in a vaccuum, or their paint shots per game (they play at a show pace) it’s the percentage of their own shots that are in the paint. Again, they don’t even lead the league in ftapg. But they give up very few paint shots and give up a ton of 3s, so their opponents are not getting into the paint very much relative to them, and so the Lakers have a huge fta differential.
Not a laker fan. Not saying refs don’t get calls wrong. Just tired of this narrative. Sorry
FunkmasterFuma
🤓: “Erm actually because the Lakers use a different playstyle based on getting fouls, it’s completely fair and reasonable for the refs to swallow their whistles whenever a team is playing the Lakers and call lots of obviously bullshit fouls on small market teams. Also maybe try fouling less :)”
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Knicks would shoot so many free throws against us if we played them I hope not
Honestly watching pascal play he seems to get hit more often than most and rarely gets a call
I totally get that free throws shouldn’t be even and different play styles can lead to different results.
However, the lakers are a monstrous outlier. Having one team that has almost triple the difference of the next best team is suspect.
weird thing is we have the highest points in the paint, too. usually that nets more free throws. Lakers are #2 last i checked, too.
This some bullshit!
Idk whether to take this as an insult or a compliment
Taking the Pacers entirely out of this equation, that is still an absolutely ridiculous differential between the Lakers and anybody else.
This is misleading because people place too much stock in per game stats when they’re less important for evaluating differentials.
Also, this is misleading because a lot of people have confused this with actual fts taken (I’ve seen confusion on other posts of this same stat on r/NBA and here). Lakers last I checked were 5th in ftapg, not even close to leading the league. When it was Charlotte 5 or 10 years ago doing the exact same thing, nobody cared. But now it’s the Lakers…
Lastly, if anyone cares to do any more than skim box scores, here’s another way of looking at it. For differentials, per game stats are misleading and are way less important. Even if the pacers have a higher ppg and paint ppg than most teams, it’s largely a result of pace. And it turns out their pace is identical to their collective opponents. Turns out pacers opponents also have a really high ppg and paint ppg. So the pacers scoring so much per game is less meaningful than per possession. The pacers have amongst the highest percent of their own shots taken from 3 and amongst the highest 3pa per possession. And their opponents have amongst the highest paint fga per possession. Additionally, I’ll piggyback on the TJ post from a couple days ago about his drives or paint points without fouls. He plays not to get fouled. He pulls up all the time and when he can’t get a clean look, he dribbles out and passes. So even a lot of our paint shots shouldn’t contribute to ftas.
So within games played by the pacers, they definitely should shoot way less fts than their opponents. That’s not to say they don’t get some bad calls, but it wouldn’t make up for the gap. Everyone gets bad calls
Apply this to Lakers and you get the same thing. They take a very high percentage of their own shots from the paint and unlike TJ’s, those shots draw contact very often. It’s not their paint shots in a vaccuum, or their paint shots per game (they play at a show pace) it’s the percentage of their own shots that are in the paint. Again, they don’t even lead the league in ftapg. But they give up very few paint shots and give up a ton of 3s, so their opponents are not getting into the paint very much relative to them, and so the Lakers have a huge fta differential.
Not a laker fan. Not saying refs don’t get calls wrong. Just tired of this narrative. Sorry
🤓: “Erm actually because the Lakers use a different playstyle based on getting fouls, it’s completely fair and reasonable for the refs to swallow their whistles whenever a team is playing the Lakers and call lots of obviously bullshit fouls on small market teams. Also maybe try fouling less :)”