[Rankin] Charles Barkley: “You sitting there saying, Darvin Ham needs to get fired, Frank Vogel needs to get fired. Who put them trash ass teams together need to get fired. They didn’t just all the sudden suck as coaches. People who put them teams together should start packing.”
"You sitting there saying, Darvin Ham needs to get fired, Frank Vogel needs to get fired. Who put them trash ass teams together need to get fired. They didn't just all the sudden suck as coaches. People who put them teams together should start packing."
Charles Barkley. #Suns pic.twitter.com/23AbQdNoTy
— Duane Rankin (@DuaneRankin) May 2, 2024
by p0tatoman
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“GM lives don’t matter.”
– Charles Barkley
*Rob Pelinka, Mat Ishbia and Jeannie Buss want to know your location*
*LeGM will remember that*
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I’m happy to hear arguments for how the Lakers should’ve approached last offseason instead.
The Vincent signing was a huge dud, I’ll give you that.
Lakers probably have 2 rings if they didn’t jettison all their top role players for fucking Westbrick.
LeBron definitely shares the blame for that move though.
For a while now, I’ve been thinking that no NBA fanbase actually likes their coach, and if they do, just give it two years, and they’ll be asking for him to be fired.
Laker fans are funniest in this category. Called for Vogel to be fired for not being good enough, and now their doing the same thing for Ham. In 2 years, they’ll be doing the same thing for their next coach (if Ham is fired).
Imagine if NBA had structure similar to soccer clubs where most coaches had a lot more say in this type of stuff
Lakers actually had a decent squad
I’ve been saying fire Pelinka since like 2017, I know they got a championship under him but like you gotta realistically look at the circumstances of that and then look at the product he’s created the rest of the time. You can blame Lebron I guess but he wasn’t making moves before Lebron either.
Oh don’t worry chuck, a lot of us have been blaming the GM’s for years..how pelinka literally blew up a championship team for NO REASON and made one of the worst trades of all time in getting Russ, something we’re still feeling the effects now
Yeah we want them gone too lol
I know everyone loves chuck, but I lost it when he called ham a hell of a coach lmao. He’s not the sole reason they lost, nor do I think they would’ve beaten denver with a better coach, but he absolutely needs to fired.
Hes 10000% correct about the Suns. The roster has been sub-optimal, I’ve said this from the moment they made the Beal trade, and then hiring Vogel was sub optimal. Not cause Vogel is bad but because his strength is being a defensive coach for role players like look at those pacers and lakers teams.
The lakers is different tho because their role players played great last year but Lebron wasn’t healthy plus Anthony Davis wasn’t playing up to his name that season, so it’s fair to assume with a healthy Lebron plus the bench and Anthony Davis you could win.
Darvin Ham still sucks tho all I need for proof is how he talks about this team this entire year
Lakers willingly giving up quality players and a first for russell westbrook is the reason why they suck.
Even 2020/2021 lakers were still a good team that got injured (AD and Bron were both injured in critical times).
Had they kept caruso kcp and kuz, they probably win another championship
I don’t think the Lakers were actually trash tho. Flawed as hell but not trash.
Frank Vogel was fired unfairly from the Lakers and I genuinely think they could have just passed over the fence to win more games VS Denver. Two game winners from DEN, and the Lakers held onto the lead for like double or triple the minutes that DEN did in the series.
Side note : AD has said he needs a big beefy boi to match the floor with him to be his best for longer and Pelinka has refused to fill that need.
“They didn’t just all the sudden suck as coaches” Correct. That might be the most correct thing Chuck has ever said, Darvin Ham actually sucked the minute we hired him
But yeah fuck Rob Pelinka for not paying Caruso and helping facilitate the Westbrok trade
Chuck is right, and he’s right to say it.
I mean Vogel certainly should have more leeway…
but i am not even sure he wants to stay
He’s not wrong, coaches always seem to be the first to go.
Chuck is partially right that coaches sometimes get crazy criticisms. But some coaches can be bad. Ham is a nice guy but was bad at game management and basically lost to the same team 2 series in a row in the same way. Vogel is less to blame.
Coaches do make the difference. Shaq and Kobe didn’t win anything for 3 years until Phil Jackson came along. He’s a big part of the 3 peat. Even Jordan and the Bulls can say the same. Mike Malone is why MPJ and Gordon became so disciplined. There’s a reason why only a few coaches are considered amazing.
Honestly im tired of this. The players should be packing, at least those that consistently underperform. But nah its always the coach fault, and now even GM
Most of my posts on the Magic forum is defending Jamahl Mosley because there’s a not-so-small-minority of posters and Twitter users who swear he’s “not the guy” and want us to move on from him, which is hilarious considering how much better we are than anybody thought this year.
A lot of coaching is just getting players to buy in and put in effort. The best X’s and O’s coaches can’t do anything with dogshit offensive players or young rosters (Pop teams recently, even Spo has struggled on that end), and we also have seen so many “bad coaches” make the finals and win championships despite their reputations.
I will say that in specific scenarios, obviously you want your coach to be smart and heady, especially in the playoffs, where you can exploit certain things.
But man, it is SO tiring to see so many people who can’t name 3-4 NBA plays complain about coaching or nothing being ran. You can tell it’s just people who have blamed others their entire lives when they don’t get what they want.
LeGM has to talke some responsibility too!
Lebron is the one who wanted Westbrook lmao. This revisionist history
So Lebron needs to get fired
Le GM getting called out here?
Time to fire GM Lebron
Reddit upvotes this and acts like they haven’t been asking for every coach’s head on a platter like the idiots they are.
ITT: People who know jackshit about coaching calling coaches bad.
If you’re shitting on Ham, explain why he’s bad. Some explanation beyond hand-waving around ‘timeouts’, ‘rotations’, ‘didnt inspire team enough’.
What was his philosophy? What schemes did he use? What tendencies? What was he wrong about? What should he have done?
If you can’t answer those, then why even bother slagging on coaches.
>They didn’t just all the sudden suck as coaches
This is Ham’s first stint as a head coach.
If Jeanie and Rob literally ran any other franchise than the most popular one in sports I’m convinced they would have people with pitchforks outside the arena. Rob is damn lucky lebron came there and AD forced his way there.
Maybe I’m biased, but I don’t think the Lakers roster is “trash”
I think we had a good chance to advance against basically anyone not named the Nuggets.