Reacting to JB Bickerstaff FIRED by the Cleveland Cavaliers – What’s next?

Reacting to JB Bickerstaff FIRED by the Cleveland Cavaliers – What’s next?

this is the moment we’ve all been waiting for for the thousands independants and the millions watching around the [Applause] world let’s get ready for [Applause] [Music] R welcome to in or out a rapid fire game where we discuss a handful of of NBA topics and determine where we stand I’m Tony pesta joined by Jackson Flickinger and Cory Walsh and the Cleveland Cavaliers have finally ripped off the Band-Aid dismissing head coach JB bicker staff from his responsibilities this is something we all saw coming or at least we knew was a real possibility for the Cavs and we are going to talk all about it today starting with this Corey are you surprised that JB was let go I’m not surprised he was let go I was kind of more surprised with the amount of time it took to get to the decision to let him go I feel like with every passing day was kind of making me less and less confident that he was going to be dismissed as the head coach of the Cavaliers I feel like we all kind of saw where this was going to go if we decided to come back for another year it wasn’t really GNA result in many great things for this team the team especially after that expose came out right after that was prepared you can’t really after that go back and be like all right guys one more time as half the team apparently just doesn’t respect what the coach is saying Donovan Mitchell probably wasn’t the biggest fan of him either I don’t know I know it said it in there but you never know like if it’s exactly true to that extent or not but I think this T this organization is in though we need Donovan Mitchell to stay mindset and if JB was going to be the Domino that was between the team accomplishing that goal then they were obviously just gonna choose down the Mitchell over JB bicker staff almost every time yeah and me and Tony were really talking about this last year too after the playoff loss to the Knicks I felt like that was a really bad JB performance especially because you didn’t you lost to the Knicks kind of at your own game like the Knicks were better defensively they were knew how to win a rock fight and it felt like if you can’t get your team that had better players to win a game like to win a series or at least even like put up a fight in a series that is kind your style then it seemed like the writing was already on the wall um this season I mean I don’t know why it took as long as it did JB did look good and I think he did do a lot of good things and I do think JB is a really good guy um but you know like there were reports about if he lost that one game to the Pistons in December then we’re going to let him go and it’s like if you’re having those thoughts then you probably should have already pulled the trigger like if you like once you think there’s a problem the problem has already existed for a long time so that’s that’s kind of a lot of my critiques that I have with the Cavs and kind of like the two bigs and the two guards is that like it seems like this problem has been there for a while and we just kind of want to look away and just see oh well maybe it’ll be better this time and like I’m glad the Cavs finally have gone in a Direction but it just seemed like JB outgrew this job you know last spring yeah I think that’s what the part of the end of the season report that came out that mentioned that he was almost fired after the Pistons game and that potentially he had lost the locker room a while ago depending on how true that is that’s the part that’s confusing that it took this long to make that decision I think Wendy said today uh maybe I’m giving the quotes the wrong person but I think it was Wendy who said Kobe almost it’s like he didn’t really want to have to fire JB but he felt like he had to uh did you guys see that or am I making this up yeah okay just wanted to clarify uh so yeah it did it did take a little longer than usual definitely seemed like the Cavs really thought this one through and made sure it was the right move for them and I do think JB to start off giving him some credit where it’s du I think he deserves more credit than he often gets NBA fans especially Cavs fans know how bad some coaches can be in the NBA and JB rarely dipped into into that category no matter how angry his rotations could make us at times he never fully went off the rails you might say that’s a low bar to clear but hey he cleared it not every NBA coach does we see way worse situations occur every year for various teams so I do hope JB gets another opportunity somewhere I think he deserves another chance at at coaching in the NBA But ultimately for the Cavs they had to press some buttons they can’t afford to totally run it back this year or next year even if they don’t make a many sweeping changes as some may want uh they had to change something and so we will see what they do if they bring in a new coach uh ideally and a new coaching staff because I think Luke Walton needs to go as much as anyone maybe even more than anyone else and let’s see if a a change of a new approach can help them iron out some of these wrinkles and I do think it’s important to point out that JB has been a pretty good 82 game coach you know like I think what he’s done especially through the injuries this year and I think last year he did a really good job in the regular season of optimizing the offense it didn’t have a lot of there wasn’t a lot of variety in the offense but it really was optimized and like kind of its best version of itself for an 82 games uh season and I think this year you know there was there were definitely ups and downs but I think he prepared them for that I think a lot of the issues come in the playoffs and I think it’s more so the issues from last year cuz I think I think he had a decent playoff this year all things considered so that’s where it’s like all right if we’re kind of firing him because of some of his shortcomings last year why didn’t we fire him last year and that’s kind of where I’m that’s where I’m kind of at with this where it’s like I don’t think if you’re just judging like the Boston series like w more could have like no coach could have done anything more you know considering everything that that against him I think he handled the Orlando series pretty fine um biggest issue there would have been the rotations with Orlando but other than that the actual game plan seemed fine yeah and I think it’s you know there are there are definitely issues but none of the issues that we’ve seen this year were new issues like the offense didn’t have a lot of variety to it well you know has the offense under him ever had any variety to it so it’s like you know and that and like those are the things that are fine in the regular season over 82 games but not in a short series I would say the major thing that is different between this year in last year and it’s the thing that kind of had him maintain the job is that he was a culture builder for this team and that he cultivated this learning environment where all the young players at C are just drafting basically their roster and dra and trading for young players on swings and he helped them develop to a certain point but as we even saw in that report like when veterans outside of the team come come into this culture that on the surface seemed like it was all like happy go-lucky with the young guys they’re like wait this is kind of like a pacifying environment and it rubbed them a lot of the wrong way and I feel like it’s that very culture that he built and maintained with this roster that in the postseason last year we were kind of seeing that there was uh he kind of lost his voice a little in that after that postseason and people were questioning him from there and like you were saying Jackson like that probably should have been the point and if that’s your starting point going into the next season being like leaving with questions about your head coach and the culture that he built and then you’re bringing in more veterans that are kind of seeing it from A New Perspective and those voices are kind of bouncing around it kind of just spelled disaster for this culture for The A Team full of players who are just trying who are still growing and are just used to only hearing this one voice until they’ve heard outside perspective yeah before we move on I want to go back to Jackson said there wasn’t much Variety in the offense well hey back in the day you could have Andre Drummond airball a post hook he could airball a three-pointer he could give you a coast to coast turnover they used to run a lot of different stuff that’s true those are ja in his one thing one thing I like I genuinely I really do like JB I think he’s a I think he’s a great guy and I want to say that he’s you know this is my first year ever covering the NBA and JB was super nice to me and always respectful when I even when I stuttered over my stupid questions he always gave me a good answer so like you know if I was in his spot I wouldn’t give me a good answer um so like I just want to you know like point out that I think he’s a really good guy and not like none of this is personal or anything like that you know but um but yeah it is it is it is really funny how much JB really liked Andre Drummond like anytime anytime Andre Drummond was brought up like like his face would like light up like even you know like every time they played the Bulls it’ be like oh so like you know like the generic question before the game well what do the Bulls do good and he’s like they’re rebounding man like Andre Drummond and you’re just like all right man cool JB had the vision for that two three big lineup for a long long time and Drummond was the first time he could really dive into that basketball sicko stuff so moving to our next topic here and something we have kind of already touched on a little bit I’ll let Jackson start because he mentioned it a little bit do you think JB was a scapegoat uh because I think there are deeper issues with this roster than just JB um but there’s also a case to be made that this was a necessary starting move for the franchise so where are you at on this uh yes and no I think that there are a lot of I think when you look at Garland Moy and okoro I think they’ve all been like optimized in what they currently do but they haven’t been pushed out of their comfort zone to expand their game and I don’t know if like I feel like that could be an organizational wide failure but who are you like are you going to fire the entire organization no that’s not how that’s not how these things go so is that all on the coach no but that’s kind of who’s going to Bear the brunt of that so I do think that you know JB had time to kind of work out an offense that was better for Garland and Mitchell he had time to work out offense that made more sense around Mo and Allen and he you know like the offense that he came up with right after the Mitchell trade looks pretty close to what it was you know the last time we saw them all healthy and that’s kind of that’s kind of the issue where it’s like no he’s he’s not the reason Darius gr doesn’t move off ball no he’s not the reason Moy hasn’t developed as a four or a five I mean maybe he is kind of but you know what I mean where it’s like you can’t blame everything on him but if you’re going to blame somebody who else are you going to blame I feel like saying he’s a scapegoat would point that that his firing was solely because of the postseason and I feel like the postseason was probably one of the last reasons he was honestly let go I feel like this organization only feel feels a lot of pressure especially from Donovan Mitchell that they want to Ascend to that like Upper Crest of the East and they kind of have been in this middle ground for the past two seasons of Mitchell but I feel like the bulk reason of why JB was let go was more a culmination of this season and last season where it was just repeated struggles in areas like Jackson was saying the offense in two postseasons hasn’t been the best overall but it’s also he’s at the will of the sum of his parts and this team just felt like offensively it chugged at times and it’s not JB I feel like JB was pretty creative with all the solutions he had to come up with on the Fly within the past years this has been probably one of the more injury Riddle teams in the league over the past two seasons it felt like there were very rare stretches where he was able to use his best five players all at once and JB for as long as he’s been the coach has constantly been creative and tinkering with lineups that most people would scoff at I mean opening the opening game like three seasons ago had three SE like near seven-footers the lineup and everyone was saying what what is JB doing here and no one and then immediately he was getting his flowers now three seasons later we’re just saying how uncreative offensively he got down the stretch I mean it it’s it’s like fair to say he was a scapegoat in the broad sense but I feel like this postseason would be unfair to say as to why JB was let go yeah I’m right there with you both of you guys I think to a degree yes he was a scapegoat but there were still a reason to move on I think it was a necessary move at this stage and I do want to I’m going to ramble a little bit because I think this kind of highlights my issue with JB while also being fair to him with the way the roster was constructed JB tried to implement a emotion offense he talked about it all the time we saw it when the Cavs Personnel reflected that play style when it was Mitchell and Allen out there they had more space and they play with Tempo the is you can’t force play uh we can complain about the offense being stagnant uh but in reality they don’t isolate very often it’s just they run so many pick and roles it’s because they have two guards who excel in that style and two bigs who also excel at pick and roll so you have to play to your strengths and it’s just difficult to have any off Ball action going on when you’re running a pick and roll as the primary action you kind of just have to space the floor in those scenarios and that’s why you get so many guys standing around the Cavs look so bogged down and so to be fair I think retooling the roster would have given JB an opportunity to do some more things I think he deserves credit for December and February when they implemented the things that he talked about uh that style of basketball wasn’t a mistake he wanted them to play like that but the real issue and something that we saw for basically his entire tenure he couldn’t get the Cavs organized for long stretches on offense they just could not execute consistently under him and I don’t know what it takes to make a team execute consistently but it’s what’s required at the highest level uh there’s not some like magic offensive play that JB is just missing in his tool in his toolbx it’s just his teams don’t execute with any sort of consistency we see stretches where they move the ball they play with Pace they cut they screen everyone’s involved but then we see them revert to those old habits we see them over dribble poor shot selection they stand around they’re not moving that’s partially the players fault but it’s really it’s not only JB but the entire coaching staff because if you want to win in the NBA and in the playoffs you have to execute better than your opponent and I think the Cavs have failed to do that under JB it’s not just missing open shots it’s poor execution even when their shots are falling we see them like the carck Levert against the Celtics even Max stru at times where they’re going on a run and then you get a really bad Caris possession that’s a step back three or Max stru pulls a really deep three early in the shot clock when they’re within Striking Distance those are the type of plays that that organized teams the teams that know how to execute consistently they don’t do stuff like that as often as the Cavs did and I think that’s ultimately the thing that is JB’s downfall one thing one thing I will say the kind of push back where you’re like the you know we saw them kind of play with the motion that he kind of wanted them to in that December through February stretch that kind of play style was mostly just like okay Donovan you cook and you move the ball and your aggression and your movement is going to just create movement for everybody else it wasn’t like the Kings where it’s like all right all five guys are going to touch the ball everyone’s going to be okay with dribbling everyone’s going to be okay with passing it it was still the same thing and that’s where I think some of these issues come from where it’s like all right Isaac o Coro was out there we don’t trust him to actually be a functioning piece of this offense we have to keep the ball in Garland Mitchell or Levert’s hands at all times and those are the guys who are going to make all the plays for us and that’s where that’s where I think you know you’re going to have like that’s what I think the issue is and that’s like when you’re so reliant on those guys to do something you don’t have anything to fall back on that’s how you get those bad Levert possessions that’s how you get like the all right Max dreu you might as well take a 30 foot jumper you know with 20 seconds left than a shot clock cuz it’s like there’s no like guiding principle and I think that’s the issue the guiding principle was Garland you got to play faster Mitchell you got to play with more force not all right well you know we want you to pass move away from the ball pass move away from the ball pass move away from the ball oh if you have an opening attack like that’s not what they were they were very much like all right we’re going to see if this pick and roll gets me open we’re going to see if the help comes from the corner we’re going to like they’re all just kind of reacting off of that and not there’s no structure yeah no I mean I agree with that I think they still never established that offensive identity they didn’t really have many we talked about this a lot recently but they just didn’t have that go-to action other than a pick and Rule which is just it’s too predictable uh they didn’t really have many counters for it and so uh moving along to our next topic here you can go two different ways with this but would you consider JB’s time in Cleveland a success now you can answer that from JB’s perspective individually the Cavs perspective uh I guess I’ll start off with this this one because I would say individually I would say for JB I mean I guess it depends on how you define success I won’t go Giannis on you guys but I would say it’s a success I listen this he stepped in as a mid-season fill in uh he managed to help steer the team in the right direction I know he didn’t get out of the second round he didn’t get as far as he probably wanted to be so from that perspective you could say it’s a failure obviously getting dismissed is never a sign of success but uh we can talk about the players being the reason for the team success but JB certainly guided them early on in the process and so from that standpoint I would say um a slight success for the Cavs as well because he helped establish the defensive identity that really got them to this point he just couldn’t get them he couldn’t carve out that offensive identity and that’s what they’re looking for now with whatever whoever comes in to replace him so kind of yes and no but uh Corey was this a a success for JB or the Cavs I I really feel like this was a success for the team and for JB as a whole I mean what he stepped into was something that very few coaches were probably jumping at the bit to be a part of the team was just plunged of all of the assets whatsoever it looked like a very Bleak situation to be entering a lot of young players and they just were coming off the John be line disaster I mean whoever was going to step into there was just entering a media Firestorm at the time we weren’t really expecting such a stabilizing presence from JB and he earned his way throughout that second half of the year to earn his keep I don’t know how much of that was the team looking around and realizing no one still wanted the job and JB was of course gonna sign up to be an NBA head coach I mean that’s what all the assistant coaches I feel like are aspiring to do I feel like saying that JB was dismissed as a sign of being failure is a little unfair because not many coaches retain their job for their entire career with one team they hop around pretty frequently I mean Frank vulgo was an NBA champion head coach and was dismissed from the Lakers just a season later um and the Suns and the Suns but they didn’t win anything and uh yeah but just after one season still we see we see coaches win coach of the year and get fired right after so I I I agree with your point there yeah and just like to keep like taking the big look back on his overview of his tenure this team from where he started to where it ended to where their compete their aspirations are Eastern Conference champions or competing for the Eastern Conference Championship or higher that’s a pretty large leap in just a short amount of time for JB it’s like you kind of I feel like we kind of squeezed all the juice we could out of the JB bicker staff uh lemon I guess in this case but overall like it’s it was an important part for this team’s development and I feel like they can truly go up from here and that’s we when you look back on future Cav Seasons the end being successful you have to point to JB bigger staff to at least being the reason that they get to a certain point where this next coach can step in and take them to the next level yeah to build off a Corey’s point I definitely agree that this is a massive success for JB and new organization it I mean this was a bad situation that he stepped into and I think that he was put into a really awkward spot even when he was asked to be John beine assistant I don’t agree with how the Cass went about that obviously the bean hire didn’t work but putting somebody like JB into that spot where he’s kind of like the mentor almost to beine like this is like this is how the NBA Works kind of guy that’s a really tough position to be in especially you know like there’s a reason why they had to make him one of the highest paid assistant coaches at that time cuz that’s a really tough job and he navigated the the team through that he navigated the team after that you know like he put them in a position to go all in for the Donovan Mitchell trade and that would have seemed really impossible if you said you know in the middle of that John beine you’re like hey in a year and a half the Cavs are going to be going all in for a guy like Donovan Mitchell because they really believe in this team and the direction of this organization like you would have been laughed at and everything but that’s what like maybe turn this around so this is a massive success I think his shortcomings of the last two years are kind of predictable um but that doesn’t take away from the massive turnaround that he led yeah I said I wasn’t going to go yanis on anybody but listen it’s okay to not be the championship head coach because very very few are I think what JB managed to accomplish was a success even if it’s not the ultimate ultimate success I think he should feel good about what he did and I really do think he deserves another chance somewhere I don’t know what team uh he would go to but I think he’s proven enough especially a rebuilding team should be interested in bringing JB back at some point uh moving along here to our final topic and something that of course is on everyone’s mind is who will the Cavs bring in to replace JB so we’ll start off Jackson are there any candidates that stand out to you James bgo um I really like what he did with with Charlotte I think he would be a really good fit I just think think back to was it like the 2020 season where he really uh Devonte Graham and Terry Rosier he had them looking like really good players like he constructed a really good offense that was a lost memory for me exactly so he constructed a really good offense around them he did a really creative job of getting like the best out of nothing really and and especially like an undersized back court like that so I think he somebody who like if you don’t want to trade Darius Garland I think you could he’s somebody that I think if you you know hired him as your head coach you can I think you could actually convince you know Garland’s camp like hey you know this is James broes really good with working with a smaller back court he’s able to optimize this in a way that you know JB wasn’t this is his specialty he’s going to make sure that you know Donovan looks good he’s going to make sure you look good and he’s going to you know really make this all work so I think that if you want to like if you’re in the darus like let’s keep Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell Camp he’s the guy that I think could really Elevate both of them kemba’s best year as a pro uh came with him as a head coach and then two years later kemba’s I mean there’s other issues but you know Kemba fell off the map pretty hard and yeah I don’t want to say that Brio was the only reason why kmo was good but I think he really does know how to optimize an offense and get the most out of his guys I think a great pointor no go ahead I was gonna I was gonna move it to you anyway I was just giving Jackson some flowers uh who who are your P um I don’t have a particular favorite in mind I have more questions about one that I see is very popular right now and that’s Kenny Atkinson I I’m confused for two reasons one being I remember I mean correct me if I’m wrong here but Kenny Atkinson was known as the guy who developed the bits and pieces of the Brooklyn Nets into a somewhat competitive playoff team and I feel like the Cavs team is not in the hey let’s hire another developmental type coach phase in their uh organization right now and another reason that was that they said that his strong connection with Caris LeVert and Jared Allen and I must be blind or something but I’ve seen Jared Allen in every rumor to be sent out immediately and I think Caris LeVert is also getting his bags ready so I’m also confused why we’re using that as a main point for why Kenny Atkinson needs to be on this roster I mean if either of you two are seeing something I’m not please shed some light but I’m very the Resurgence is over I think it be I was gonna actually make the same point because uh I was gonna give a cop out answer and say I don’t know who would be the right coach because I don’t know what the roster is g to look like now obviously the Cavs know what the roster or at least they have some idea of what they’re going for this summer so they’ll be able to make the right choice uh ideally you want someone who can orchestrate an offense again I think that’s the main downfall of JB is that he wasn’t able to get them to execute the right way um but don’t overlook the need for a defensive minded coach as well because the team they might not be a powerhouse on that side of the floor if they trade Jared Allen obviously we’ll see what happens you add a wing potentially maybe MO is able to play full-time Center we’ll we’ll save that for a whole another episode but I there’s no guarantee that the grass is going to be greener by firing JB and so whoever you bring in like Kenny ainson and James burgo they each of them have less experience than JB as a head coach and so you’re taking a gamble here I think it’s something that as much as everyone even including me was ready to move on from JB scenario where you don’t improve uh and so this is a little this is a little sketchy I think if you can bring in an offensive-minded coach that should be the objective that should be what you’re aiming for because there’s clearly a lot here that is left uh they haven’t unlocked just yet but again it kind of comes down to what the roster is going to look like to to determine who you want to bring in as head coach so I’m going to cop out not give a direct answer I do think that defense is more important in the regular season in the sense that if you want to make a leap and I think we saw the magic do this like if you want to make a leap improve on the defensive end of the floor because you can bring that every single night and it’s going to be really transferable especially if you’re kind of playing a weird kind of defense like the casar with like the three bigs like you’re not when like teams don’t really game plan for the regular season the same way so like there’s only so much that each team can do and that gives you a chance in every game whereas I feel like in the playoffs you can only go so far as a defensive first team like once everyone’s game planning it’s really like it’s a lot easier and I think we’re seeing this like the Mavericks and I think people and like the Pacers to a lesser degree um where you can f tune an imperfect defense or at least especially if you have a couple really good pieces like the Mavericks do um you can kind of optimize that you can’t really do the same thing for an offense you can’t say like all right like you know Max dreu we’re going to create so many open looks you’re going to be a 40% three-point shooter like you can’t do that the same way on on that end so that’s where I think your ceiling is much more dependent on your offense than it is your defense and that’s where this team needs to improve and it like it may not look good in all 82 games you’re going to have some games like we had games this year against the like the games against the um Kings and thunder really stick out where the defense was just so bad because it didn’t really have like a plan it seemed like like if you go with an offensive only guy you’re going to have games like that but you hope that in the playoffs you’ll be able to cble together a defense and if the offense is optimized you have a much higher ceiling yeah I do agree that good offense usually Trump’s good defense especially when you’re talking about Championship uh runs that’s kind of what they’re built on so yeah just I I only mention that because I do see a lot of people saying like oh who cares about the defense well if you do trade Jared Allen maybe that becomes more of a a priority but still bringing in some fresh offensive Minds that should absolutely be the goal um any final takes here any farewell words to JB listen I think he’s I think he was a better Coach than he gets credit for I will say that but I also think it was the right move to move on could backfire if you don’t manage to find a good replacement that things would get ugly there but I think this was a necessary risk that they had to take I think any thing that’s going to backfire will be not coaching related like if Mitchell leaves that’s backfiring if you know Garland or Moy stagnates you know like things like that I think would lead to more of a backfire and I don’t know if that’s like JB related entirely so I’m yeah like I don’t think it’s going to backfire like in that way or at least if it does it’s not GNA be the coach’s fault well you’re saying that now wait until Luke Walton is promoted and he’s your new head coach if Luke Walton’s promoted that’s a different conversation we got another Warriors assistant Luke Walton my brother is the worst thing that has happened his success is the worst thing that could have happened because now everyone who’s the the second man up in Steve Kerr’s coaching rotation is going to be the first person that gets thrown out for jobs they like well Mike Brown’s pretty good well I was I was even looking at uh Luke Walton’s coaching career because I was like why is he even how does he still have a job like has he ever been a good coach ever at any point and I completely forgot about that brief Warrior stint where a really tough job Mickey Mouse run where Hey Stephen Curry is the greatest player all of a sudden and they’re just they’re winning everying game and Luke Walton’s kind of just there for the ride shout out to Luke Walton nepotism never fails uh riding the curry coiles doesn’t either it’s wild that he gets like all the kind of like he gets the praise from that whereas Mike Brown was the Act was basically the acting coach when they won one of those championships and nobody’s ever like oh Mike Brown has a ring you gota you know you got to respected Championship coach so I think I would if Mike Brown becomes available I would be cool with the Reunion yeah yeah I Jackson so I mean I mean he I mean he cut Sam Marl so I you’re conflicted it’s understandable yeah you know I there are things Le your mistakes hopefully he did um but I do have one more take that I want to get off my chest right now let it fly the Boston Celtics absolutely suck and I think that we’re not talking about this nearly enough they are frauds and they you know the Pacers the Pacers suck you would be surprised if the Celtics won the championship yes I I would I would be surprised unless like you know unless Dallas or um why oh Minnesota like come through that series and they’re like you know Anthony Edwards doesn’t have a leg anymore Carrie Irving can’t you know you know he’s too beat up to you know do anything like unless that happens I would I would be surprised Tyrie beating the Celtics would be weirdly gratifying despite the fact that I’m not a bandwagon and I’m not necessar like I won’t take ownership of that that championship by any means but it would be nice uh to see hon part two yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if um the Celtics won the championship I would say I would pick either Western Conference team as the fa it but I wouldn’t be surprised if Boston won I don’t think they suck fraud they’re awful I I feel like they’re gonna lose in six you think so yeah I’m not liking what I’m seeing yeah ient series scorching hot take at the end hey things would have been scary if they they should have no going to do them but I can’t I was honestly thinking when Jackson was talking about the Cavs offense in certain situations how they stack State the Celtics are that type of offense except the only difference is their talent level throughout their starting five is way higher and they can basically get by with having those stretches and the Cavs simply could not they they miss christops more than anybody gives them credit for right yeah that for sure that does kind of change things um but I think like Joe like Joe Missoula has a lot of JB problems in the sense that like yeah he figured out what works like their Style offense works over 82 games and it works really good against like you know like we don’t care if you if you leave Al Al Horford open he’s going to shoot every possession eventually he’s going to make him and we’ll be fine like that you can get by like the Cav when they’re running out you know Marcus Morris for 35 minutes you can’t get past like evenly matched teams without adjusting and I think that’s where his problems lie and I think that’s kind of like where some of JB’s problems slide in a certain way it’s just that Missoula has a much better like process and a much better team that you know the Boston SS they they they do have good players they just being one of them I will say not a defensive not on the all defensive team that’s outrageous I I think he deserved it I don’t know about Drew but uh and I do just want to say before we let Corey jump in uh Missoula does have a lot of JB problems except he still has his hair I will give him credit he doesn’t have that problem just yet I will say that JB hasn’t beat on timeout selection Joe Missoula hands down has the weirdest timeouts I’ve ever seen it’s like all right we’re on a roll we just inbounded timeout it’s like wait what’s happening he kills more fast breaks than any coach I’ve ever seen in the league it’s like we’re about to go on a 10 run once we finish this fast break never mind let’s call a timeout let’s collect ourselves it’s strong like JV High School coach Vibes where it’s like I don’t like what these guys are doing you missed the box out I don’t care if we’re winning we’re calling a timeout anyways and it’s like like what’s happening like there was like there was one time where like Garland was like past the like he fell down on like a layup attempt and it was like the ball squirted out and it was like a probably like a four on three and like Joe like Joe moula is like running out to midcourt and you’re just like what are you doing man like yeah like that’s like a free two points well now that we’ve wrapped up our Joe Missoula r as well that’s all for this episode we out I want to thank everyone for tuning in please drop a comment with who you want to see as the Cavs next head coach and feel free to send 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