[Vorkunov] Next season, will be another issue. Not only are the Nuggets in the tax for the 2024-25 season, they are projected to be over the second apron if the salary cap is at $141 million as presently forecasted.
[Vorkunov] Next season, will be another issue. Not only are the Nuggets in the tax for the 2024-25 season, they are projected to be over the second apron if the salary cap is at $141 million as presently forecasted.
>That obviously raises some issues for the franchise, and those were well-voiced earlier this month by team president Josh Kroenke, the son of franchise owner Stan Kroenke.
>“The core of this team was assembled under a different CBA, and we drafted and we developed, and we built this team under a different set of rules,” Kroenke told reporters. “Those rules have kinda changed on the fly. Last summer, it wasn’t quite as pertinent as it is going be this summer … There’s going to be some constraints coming in with the new collective bargaining agreement and the new rules that we’re going to have to be very aware of and we’re going to have to plan accordingly. They do make it difficult to retool a championship roster on the fly.”
>If that didn’t sound like a commitment to go into the second apron if necessary, that’s because it wasn’t. Kroenke had further opportunities to do so later on during the Nuggets’ end-of-season news conference and didn’t in those times either.
>General manager Calvin Booth was asked if the Nuggets would go over the second apron to keep Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and he said that the team would like to bring him back. Caldwell-Pope has a $15.4 million player option for next season and can likely make more on the open market if he exercises it.
>“We spend a lot of time looking at second apron and all that stuff,” Booth said. “For me personally, it’s win a championship, one. Two, we have to look at the overall financial picture. And three, second apron. I know the second apron is daunting and there’s all kind of restrictions, but I don’t think that’s first on our priority list. KCP has been a great addition the last couple of years. We’d love to have him back. We’re going to take a hard look at what that looks like.”
PAWGle_the_lesser
Really wonder if they’ll double down on trying to win or cheap out and lose KCP or some other important piece. I don’t know how much we can take away from this recent (presumably) disappointing early exit. They’re obviously good enough to win a championship but they aren’t prohibitive favourites to even make it out of their conference the way a Celtics or 2010s Warriors were. They evidently aren’t even WCF locks. If it were up to me I’d spend the money since there’s no guarantee they’ll ever be this good again.
What else can they even do? Could a MPJ trade be in the works? He was pretty terrible in the second round.
msterling2012
Should probably just trade Aaron Gordon to Dallas to avoid that second apron tbh.
msf97
Isn’t the problem that they pay players who would be lesser players on other teams eg Murray, Gordon, MPJ far above their market value because they fit perfectly with Jokic?
This is the downsides of having to build around a big man, specifically one who isn’t strong defensively. So much easier to build around a point forward type player.
Hovi_Bryant
Just the price you pay for a championship.
confuddly
Michael Porter Jr you are a Detroit Piston
anonymous_lighting
why is bronny in the pic? i’ve had enough of this dude already
johncarter1011
What a difference a series makes. I was hearing dynasty talks and who’s gonna stop den? Now im seeing trading mpj and how to keep the team together. Welcome to the social media pendulum swing
campoon12
I think the age of dynasties might be over. Gonna be virtually impossible to keep heavy contenders together for a long run
Nu_AfrikanPutin
Gotta get off MPJ not good enough defensively or offensively against high level defenses
_KingFridayXIII
Hoping KCP will pick up his option and run this thing back one more year.
Malone not playing Nnaji consistently was his fatal flaw this year IMO. If he sucks, he sucks. Not like they were getting backup big production before this. If he could’ve even given them 8 minutes a game, we may be talking about Denver-Dallas rn.
neutronicus
Luckily for us, we really only need to bridge the gap until the new TV deal (which we now know for a fact will be huge, thanks NBC) starts driving cap increases
BugO_OEyes
Has any team that won the last 10 years under th3 cap?
Individual_Attempt50
MPJ will probably get traded
NewOstenPelicanss
Aren’t they owned by Walmart?
Happy_Discipline7763
Am I the only one wondering why Bronny’s picture is in this post?
LurkinOHB
Trade MPJ and Murray. Murray is all but cooked anyway and is going to demand a heavy price tag.
ConstantineMonroe
The new structure of the salary cap with the 2 aprons is basically a dynasty killer. I just don’t see how you can get the depth and role players needed to form a dynasty. The problem is that you can get cheap great role players like Bruce brown for Denver or Derrick Jones Jr for Dallas, but as soon as they prove how good they are, they have now priced themselves out of the dynasty team. You need to keep scraping the bottom of the barrel for depth hoping you find another diamond in the rough, or you draft your depth, which is a coin toss if you manage to get a guy who will be good in the dynasty’s time table. See the Warriors as an example there. I believe in Kuminga, TJD, and Podz becoming great players, but it might take 5 more years, and that isn’t on the time table of Steph, Klay, and Dray.
LyonsKing12
Trade MPJ for cheaper parts
baylonedward
This era has so many good talents that role players are borderline stars, or will become one after a couple of years.
_picture_me_rollin_
Lmfao why is bronnie the thumbnail?
Bloody_Corndog
The big 3 era is dead
Pikminious_Thrious
I think the hope has always been to offload KCP and Jackson for cheaper players and hope one of your young wings can fill in the gap left by KCP. That probably gets you good enough to not be paying tax up the ass. And Cancar is gone 100%.
No real wiggle room left unless you want to start dumping rookies.
Or hope someone is dumb enough to take MPJ off your hands before you have to pay Murray.
Kroenkes are some of it not the best owners in all of sports, I bet they spend to the 2nd
Ferretanyone
The apron thing is so stupid. Owners will regret it
Bigron454
Bye bye Jamal Murray or Trade MPJ.
WanAjin
It actually just makes me think that the Lakers could have been insanely competitive for at least 3 years had they kept the championship core. The 2020 Lakers won with a bunch of misfits and cheap players, the players they lost were extremely replaceable in terms of production, and they added the 6MOTY and the runner-up in the 2020 off-season.
Injuries really fucked up a really good championship-winning core.
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>That obviously raises some issues for the franchise, and those were well-voiced earlier this month by team president Josh Kroenke, the son of franchise owner Stan Kroenke.
>“The core of this team was assembled under a different CBA, and we drafted and we developed, and we built this team under a different set of rules,” Kroenke told reporters. “Those rules have kinda changed on the fly. Last summer, it wasn’t quite as pertinent as it is going be this summer … There’s going to be some constraints coming in with the new collective bargaining agreement and the new rules that we’re going to have to be very aware of and we’re going to have to plan accordingly. They do make it difficult to retool a championship roster on the fly.”
>If that didn’t sound like a commitment to go into the second apron if necessary, that’s because it wasn’t. Kroenke had further opportunities to do so later on during the Nuggets’ end-of-season news conference and didn’t in those times either.
>General manager Calvin Booth was asked if the Nuggets would go over the second apron to keep Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and he said that the team would like to bring him back. Caldwell-Pope has a $15.4 million player option for next season and can likely make more on the open market if he exercises it.
>“We spend a lot of time looking at second apron and all that stuff,” Booth said. “For me personally, it’s win a championship, one. Two, we have to look at the overall financial picture. And three, second apron. I know the second apron is daunting and there’s all kind of restrictions, but I don’t think that’s first on our priority list. KCP has been a great addition the last couple of years. We’d love to have him back. We’re going to take a hard look at what that looks like.”
Really wonder if they’ll double down on trying to win or cheap out and lose KCP or some other important piece. I don’t know how much we can take away from this recent (presumably) disappointing early exit. They’re obviously good enough to win a championship but they aren’t prohibitive favourites to even make it out of their conference the way a Celtics or 2010s Warriors were. They evidently aren’t even WCF locks. If it were up to me I’d spend the money since there’s no guarantee they’ll ever be this good again.
What else can they even do? Could a MPJ trade be in the works? He was pretty terrible in the second round.
Should probably just trade Aaron Gordon to Dallas to avoid that second apron tbh.
Isn’t the problem that they pay players who would be lesser players on other teams eg Murray, Gordon, MPJ far above their market value because they fit perfectly with Jokic?
This is the downsides of having to build around a big man, specifically one who isn’t strong defensively. So much easier to build around a point forward type player.
Just the price you pay for a championship.
Michael Porter Jr you are a Detroit Piston
why is bronny in the pic? i’ve had enough of this dude already
What a difference a series makes. I was hearing dynasty talks and who’s gonna stop den? Now im seeing trading mpj and how to keep the team together. Welcome to the social media pendulum swing
I think the age of dynasties might be over. Gonna be virtually impossible to keep heavy contenders together for a long run
Gotta get off MPJ not good enough defensively or offensively against high level defenses
Hoping KCP will pick up his option and run this thing back one more year.
Malone not playing Nnaji consistently was his fatal flaw this year IMO. If he sucks, he sucks. Not like they were getting backup big production before this. If he could’ve even given them 8 minutes a game, we may be talking about Denver-Dallas rn.
Luckily for us, we really only need to bridge the gap until the new TV deal (which we now know for a fact will be huge, thanks NBC) starts driving cap increases
Has any team that won the last 10 years under th3 cap?
MPJ will probably get traded
Aren’t they owned by Walmart?
Am I the only one wondering why Bronny’s picture is in this post?
Trade MPJ and Murray. Murray is all but cooked anyway and is going to demand a heavy price tag.
The new structure of the salary cap with the 2 aprons is basically a dynasty killer. I just don’t see how you can get the depth and role players needed to form a dynasty. The problem is that you can get cheap great role players like Bruce brown for Denver or Derrick Jones Jr for Dallas, but as soon as they prove how good they are, they have now priced themselves out of the dynasty team. You need to keep scraping the bottom of the barrel for depth hoping you find another diamond in the rough, or you draft your depth, which is a coin toss if you manage to get a guy who will be good in the dynasty’s time table. See the Warriors as an example there. I believe in Kuminga, TJD, and Podz becoming great players, but it might take 5 more years, and that isn’t on the time table of Steph, Klay, and Dray.
Trade MPJ for cheaper parts
This era has so many good talents that role players are borderline stars, or will become one after a couple of years.
Lmfao why is bronnie the thumbnail?
The big 3 era is dead
I think the hope has always been to offload KCP and Jackson for cheaper players and hope one of your young wings can fill in the gap left by KCP. That probably gets you good enough to not be paying tax up the ass. And Cancar is gone 100%.
No real wiggle room left unless you want to start dumping rookies.
Or hope someone is dumb enough to take MPJ off your hands before you have to pay Murray.
Why do I just see a giant picture of Bronny?
I did a writeup for the Nuggets offseason that details their cap situation, check it out here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/s/3rtSVXU2rE
Kroenkes are some of it not the best owners in all of sports, I bet they spend to the 2nd
The apron thing is so stupid. Owners will regret it
Bye bye Jamal Murray or Trade MPJ.
It actually just makes me think that the Lakers could have been insanely competitive for at least 3 years had they kept the championship core. The 2020 Lakers won with a bunch of misfits and cheap players, the players they lost were extremely replaceable in terms of production, and they added the 6MOTY and the runner-up in the 2020 off-season.
Injuries really fucked up a really good championship-winning core.