He was being hyperbolic for effect, but his premise was legitimate.
EyecalledGame
I agree with what he said, but why is it okay for the older players to disrespect the current generation? I’ve been watching the nba for two decades now, and it’s always been the older players being negative about the current gen.
rtillaree
Critical thinking skills are important, kids.
mantaXrayed
JJ low key like that Ben Shapiro type of podcaster. He throws a ton of numbers at you, totally ignores context that doesn’t support his premise and then throws a snappy hyperbole at the end for the click.
DifficultyMore5935
A lot of people speaking on players they never watched.
PlasmaHero
I’m mad he had to explain himself for them to get his point, it was easy to get initially.
raylan_givens6
ngl, I’m tired of JJ Reddick in general . His career didn’t merit this level of exposure. He’s not some brilliant savant the media or his fans make him out to be. And he’s not entertaining either.
He fits right in at ESPN though. But that’s not a compliment.
Ya_Got_GOT
All y’all bringing Redick’s level of play into the conversation are committing the most brain dead logical fallacy. Attack the argument, not the man.
nowhathappenedwas
While claiming to stake out a “middle ground” between “all old players were plumbers” and “basketball talent is static,” JJ Redick said Kevin Love is better than 99% of the power forwards on the NBA’s Top 75 list.
The power forwards on the list were Giannis, Barkley, AD, Duncan, KG, Malone, Dirk, Rodman, McHale, and Pettit.
Sellmechicken
JJ has just as many rings as Baron Davis
Mediocre-you-14
Weird that this is always a discussion about the old NBA to somehow diminish what the older generation did. I’m a huge hockey fan and from the start of the NHL until about the 70’s almost all NHL players had summer jobs. Sports didnt pay enough back then.
Difference is, no one in hockey circles says that Gordie Howe isn’t one of the best of all time because he had to play against farmers, plumbers etc. he was still playing against the best hockey players in the world at the time and was able to dominate.
Gerasans
Baron:
He talk about all this shots he made, all this practice he take, all this routine to be a plumber.
Melo:
What?
Baron:
How many things he has to do to be JJ Redick? He train so hard, he is not Jerry West.
You have so much free time to train and you are JJ Redick.
If you’ll have a job, you wouldn’t be in the league.
Best. Take. Ever.
bullyj
Jerry West would cook JJ Reddick.
jasper_grunion
I don’t know why we’re obsessed with comparing eras. When I see footage of Russell and Wilt I’m a genuinely amazed at what they are doing. If you transported them to the future, I think they would compete well, but if they had been born during LeBron’s time and could avail themselves of advanced training they would be even better. In other words, it’s impossible to disentangle their abilities from their respective eras in which they came up.
Financial-Win7421
The argument falls apart when you realize the older generation plays with the younger generations, and they do just fine, they even dominate the younger generation up to a certain point.
Like if you think about it all the current generation plays with and against Lebron or Curry and the like, they do just fine.
Lebron played with and against players like Kobe and Shaq, who played against the players of the 90s like MJ and shit.
MJ played against the likes of Magic and Bird. Magic and Bird played with and against guys like Kareem. Kareem played against someone like Wilt. Wilt played against Russel, and we’ve tracked back now to the “plumbers” generation.
Did at any point any of these greats of the next generation absolutely blow away their older peers? Hell no. So at what point was the game accelerated so much that you could claim the old heads couldn’t compete today?
Obviously they weren’t as good as the current group of players. Each generation as they catch up to their older peers add to the game, that’s how progress works, standing on the shoulders of giants. But if you gave all the older guys the knowledge they had at the end of their career and let them start anew, with the same training techniques and modern advances, they would be as good if not better than that next generation.
BPicks69
JJ is a clown and a douchebag. To be expected from a duke boy.
Mountain_Analysis259
I stopped tuning in to JJs pod after the Ben Simmons interview. I thought it was the weakest interview I’ve ever seen. Like a flag football game with no running allowed. He didn’t get Ben to self reflect at ALL and offered up excuse after excuse. After that you realize how soft and weak JJs overall commentary really is…reminds me a bit of his game.
tapk69
JJ better be ready for all the smoke he will get if he signs with the Lakers.
ervin1914
When I smoke weed, I be just like Baron. I swear.
13WillieBeaman
That’s twice that JJ has talked shit about NBA legends. Second being Kareem, when he called him a “one note wonder.” And Lakers want to hire him? lol.. that’s three strikes, Jeanie. He also didn’t have AD in any of his all defensive teams.
TheDiceMan2
BD is the only autographed card i ever pulled when i was a kid and into cards. his autograph, shit you not, looks like “Dil Nut”. must have been towards the end of the autograph session
Mygaffer
Jerry West in his prime against JJ in his prime? Jerry West would *bust his ass,* and I don’t mean a little.
JJ was a clown for his comments. Jerry West was a top tier player in his era, JJ was a role player at his best.
evanvivevanviveiros
Fuck the clippers
tehpenguinofd000m
JJ Reddick has to be the most annoying NBA personality around
His “I’m not like the other analysts” and snobby duke vibe are insufferable.
girth_br00ks
Man that’s a great point. JJ Redick, who has never had to work a real job, who has had the luxury of just being able to worry about playing basketball, not having the self awareness to realize that there was a time where players had to have another job…..that shit is mad entitled/disrespectful. Horribly so.
Nearby_Preference261
I can’t wait for next season to start for hating on the Lakers even more than I’ve been doing since I follow basketball (and that’s saying something), thanks to JJ. A match made in heaven, or more likely in hell
Louis-grabbing-pills
r/jjredickbonafidescrub
Hot_Injury7719
This is why JJ’s “plumbers and teachers” argument is so dumb and a lazy narrative (that I see parroted a lot on this sub as well). It’s not like teams went to the local hardware store and chose the clerk to play PG: There was NO FREE AGENCY and wages were held down significantly. To give you a better idea of this reality, Vida Blue won the Cy Young AND MVP in 1971, but also worked as a plumber because Oakland’s owner didn’t have to pay him more for his performance.
dantheman9758
I implore anyone and everyone curious about JJ’s comments to watch these two videos I recently made (and I’ll be making more, because apparently crapping on NBA players from prior eras while podcasting is a thing now). He’s an NBA player with a lot of content creation talent so he knows the game well (that he saw/played in), and is influential. But he’s no historian so it’s jarring when he speaks on the history of the game and without a doubt his comments are damaging for future generations of hoop fans. He knows little about the players he tries to diminish and lacks context for why they even played the way they played or put up the kind of stats they did. I try to address at least some of that in these videos. I don’t even get into accolades, just showcasing how they played and why for anyone curious if those guys were any good.
It’s Cousy who he said was being guarded by plumbers and firemen (which was an indirect dig at West, and others Cousy played against). And it actually all started with Dolph Schayes. He claimed he could beat Dolph Schayes if he played in the past and then he’d have been a 75 greatest player ever not Dolph.
u_alright_m8
We stand on the shoulders of giants. It’s important to acknowledge the path thats been laid for us in all walks of life. What we achieve doesnt exist in a vacuum, we’re operating on a foundation built long before us, which was built on a foundation before that.
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Hell yeah BD!
He was being hyperbolic for effect, but his premise was legitimate.
I agree with what he said, but why is it okay for the older players to disrespect the current generation? I’ve been watching the nba for two decades now, and it’s always been the older players being negative about the current gen.
Critical thinking skills are important, kids.
JJ low key like that Ben Shapiro type of podcaster. He throws a ton of numbers at you, totally ignores context that doesn’t support his premise and then throws a snappy hyperbole at the end for the click.
A lot of people speaking on players they never watched.
I’m mad he had to explain himself for them to get his point, it was easy to get initially.
ngl, I’m tired of JJ Reddick in general . His career didn’t merit this level of exposure. He’s not some brilliant savant the media or his fans make him out to be. And he’s not entertaining either.
He fits right in at ESPN though. But that’s not a compliment.
All y’all bringing Redick’s level of play into the conversation are committing the most brain dead logical fallacy. Attack the argument, not the man.
While claiming to stake out a “middle ground” between “all old players were plumbers” and “basketball talent is static,” JJ Redick said Kevin Love is better than 99% of the power forwards on the NBA’s Top 75 list.
The power forwards on the list were Giannis, Barkley, AD, Duncan, KG, Malone, Dirk, Rodman, McHale, and Pettit.
JJ has just as many rings as Baron Davis
Weird that this is always a discussion about the old NBA to somehow diminish what the older generation did. I’m a huge hockey fan and from the start of the NHL until about the 70’s almost all NHL players had summer jobs. Sports didnt pay enough back then.
Difference is, no one in hockey circles says that Gordie Howe isn’t one of the best of all time because he had to play against farmers, plumbers etc. he was still playing against the best hockey players in the world at the time and was able to dominate.
Baron:
He talk about all this shots he made, all this practice he take, all this routine to be a plumber.
Melo:
What?
Baron:
How many things he has to do to be JJ Redick? He train so hard, he is not Jerry West.
You have so much free time to train and you are JJ Redick.
If you’ll have a job, you wouldn’t be in the league.
Best. Take. Ever.
Jerry West would cook JJ Reddick.
I don’t know why we’re obsessed with comparing eras. When I see footage of Russell and Wilt I’m a genuinely amazed at what they are doing. If you transported them to the future, I think they would compete well, but if they had been born during LeBron’s time and could avail themselves of advanced training they would be even better. In other words, it’s impossible to disentangle their abilities from their respective eras in which they came up.
The argument falls apart when you realize the older generation plays with the younger generations, and they do just fine, they even dominate the younger generation up to a certain point.
Like if you think about it all the current generation plays with and against Lebron or Curry and the like, they do just fine.
Lebron played with and against players like Kobe and Shaq, who played against the players of the 90s like MJ and shit.
MJ played against the likes of Magic and Bird. Magic and Bird played with and against guys like Kareem. Kareem played against someone like Wilt. Wilt played against Russel, and we’ve tracked back now to the “plumbers” generation.
Did at any point any of these greats of the next generation absolutely blow away their older peers? Hell no. So at what point was the game accelerated so much that you could claim the old heads couldn’t compete today?
Obviously they weren’t as good as the current group of players. Each generation as they catch up to their older peers add to the game, that’s how progress works, standing on the shoulders of giants. But if you gave all the older guys the knowledge they had at the end of their career and let them start anew, with the same training techniques and modern advances, they would be as good if not better than that next generation.
JJ is a clown and a douchebag. To be expected from a duke boy.
I stopped tuning in to JJs pod after the Ben Simmons interview. I thought it was the weakest interview I’ve ever seen. Like a flag football game with no running allowed. He didn’t get Ben to self reflect at ALL and offered up excuse after excuse. After that you realize how soft and weak JJs overall commentary really is…reminds me a bit of his game.
JJ better be ready for all the smoke he will get if he signs with the Lakers.
When I smoke weed, I be just like Baron. I swear.
That’s twice that JJ has talked shit about NBA legends. Second being Kareem, when he called him a “one note wonder.” And Lakers want to hire him? lol.. that’s three strikes, Jeanie. He also didn’t have AD in any of his all defensive teams.
BD is the only autographed card i ever pulled when i was a kid and into cards. his autograph, shit you not, looks like “Dil Nut”. must have been towards the end of the autograph session
Jerry West in his prime against JJ in his prime? Jerry West would *bust his ass,* and I don’t mean a little.
JJ was a clown for his comments. Jerry West was a top tier player in his era, JJ was a role player at his best.
Fuck the clippers
JJ Reddick has to be the most annoying NBA personality around
His “I’m not like the other analysts” and snobby duke vibe are insufferable.
Man that’s a great point. JJ Redick, who has never had to work a real job, who has had the luxury of just being able to worry about playing basketball, not having the self awareness to realize that there was a time where players had to have another job…..that shit is mad entitled/disrespectful. Horribly so.
I can’t wait for next season to start for hating on the Lakers even more than I’ve been doing since I follow basketball (and that’s saying something), thanks to JJ. A match made in heaven, or more likely in hell
r/jjredickbonafidescrub
This is why JJ’s “plumbers and teachers” argument is so dumb and a lazy narrative (that I see parroted a lot on this sub as well). It’s not like teams went to the local hardware store and chose the clerk to play PG: There was NO FREE AGENCY and wages were held down significantly. To give you a better idea of this reality, Vida Blue won the Cy Young AND MVP in 1971, but also worked as a plumber because Oakland’s owner didn’t have to pay him more for his performance.
I implore anyone and everyone curious about JJ’s comments to watch these two videos I recently made (and I’ll be making more, because apparently crapping on NBA players from prior eras while podcasting is a thing now). He’s an NBA player with a lot of content creation talent so he knows the game well (that he saw/played in), and is influential. But he’s no historian so it’s jarring when he speaks on the history of the game and without a doubt his comments are damaging for future generations of hoop fans. He knows little about the players he tries to diminish and lacks context for why they even played the way they played or put up the kind of stats they did. I try to address at least some of that in these videos. I don’t even get into accolades, just showcasing how they played and why for anyone curious if those guys were any good.
Bob Cousy
https://youtu.be/20GAGSPRpdc
Dolph Schayes
https://youtu.be/7DnKQPpDlrY
It’s Cousy who he said was being guarded by plumbers and firemen (which was an indirect dig at West, and others Cousy played against). And it actually all started with Dolph Schayes. He claimed he could beat Dolph Schayes if he played in the past and then he’d have been a 75 greatest player ever not Dolph.
We stand on the shoulders of giants. It’s important to acknowledge the path thats been laid for us in all walks of life. What we achieve doesnt exist in a vacuum, we’re operating on a foundation built long before us, which was built on a foundation before that.