WE TALK HAWKS. SHOULD THE HAWKS DRAFT ALEX SARR

WE TALK HAWKS. SHOULD THE HAWKS DRAFT ALEX SARR

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one pick right there I know y’all did I know y’all see e e e e I’m here I’m here your boy is here they trying to stop me they can’t stop me salute I’m in the garage man they trying the basketball guys is trying to stop me they can’t stop me we gonna get sore dog we’re going to get sore listen I don’t know what just happened on my PC but I had to hop on to my laptop man I forgot to listen man y’all can’t blame me man it ain’t my fault man it ain’t my fault I was here I don’t know what’s going on with my PC I’m F to get rid of that bad boy get me a brand new setup man cause that PC be tripping but I’m here hold on let me change my background y’all know I’m in the garage on this nice Sunday you know what I’m saying can y’all hear me testing testing can y’all hear me let me know if y’all can hear me man so we go ahead and get this cracking let’s go and get this cracking man my bad gang technical difficulties relax I got it your boy’s in control listen I had to get off the PC I don’t know why it just disconnected from my internet I have no idea why I did that but we on the laptop so please forgive me for my uh for my audio I know ain’t going to sound that good but it is what it is let me drop the link because guess what this is an Atlanta Hawks fan channel for the fans by the fans and I want to hear from the fans y’all know how we get down on this channel man so y’all know what I’mma do I’mma drop the link let’s go and drop this link real quick let’s drop this link and y’all know what I’m here to talk about I’m here to talk about I’m here to talk about how come Atlanta Hulk fans do not want alexar I’m confused I’m baffled There’s the link all you got to do to come on the panel is follow the link just make sure you got your camera on but let me get my shout outs I’m behind I know I’m sorry I’m a bad host my bad gang I know I know I got to do better I’mma do better but let’s start let me get my shout outs going on Salute clean music in the building salute the mic in the building salute ticking in the building who hating salute salute to Kujo in the building salute to tanu salute to Craig salute to Starks Raj the number one Hawks hater salute salute to tangu salute to who else we got up in here tap in with me let me know you in the building salute to my guy Dane salute to who else in here Rashad in the building salute to who else up in here tap in let me know you in the building game let me know you in the building before we get started salute to JY FSA J I don’t know how to say that j y FSA in the building salute who else up in here salute South my gu Southside in the building tapping in once again salute to the homeboy G salute the Daran in the building once again you coming on the panel Daren what’s good salute to trisan who else in here salute to the homeboy Daniel salute salute the DS boy in the building let’s bring on our guest we got Mr Matt in the building D bu in a build what’s good gang [ __ ] nothing much chilling let me let me bring this let me bring this hater up here real quick let me bring this SAR hater up here SAR hater one I got SAR hater one hey you know what I feel good what’s up what’s up de I feel good I’m reading this um this new athl I’m reading this new athletic article de that that dropped just like five minutes ago I feel very I feel very good because there’s a certain Frenchman who’s at the top at least at the moment if he ain’t 71 at least at least at least reportedly of the Hawks board 71 we don’t want him he his name is are we talking with or without shoes his name is z he ain’t 610 without shoes we don’t want him oh okay bro do you really rich crazy a it’s crazy ain’t it absolutely absolutely absolutely face right now I’m baffled why y’all want this dude I’m baffled when you got 100 100 100 100% he the reason hey dear real quick I think like all jokes aside I think it’s fair to say we all can agree that we got a lot of problems on the HS oh that we can agree that’s an understatement so so the so I think the disagreement comes in depending on what lens you look at the game in you emphasize certain needs over others so certain players cater to certain needs and the players that c that seemingly can cater to the need of whatever land you’re looking through that’s the guy you going to want I want the best player when you picking number one overall it ain’t about need when you pick a one overall de what’ you say de okay de let me ask you Deon why why do you think why do you think at least reportedly why do you think from five different you know reports why do you think rich is at the top of their board and SAR is third he not on top of their board I’m not going I told you I I said allegedly I don’t go by those boards man I told you those boards are tainted tainted my guess would be because they saw him they saw them in France that’s the only reason I think they think he’s at number one because they saw because they saw Landry and all them in France that’s the only thing could something think manipulate draft boards if you got the number one pick because you literally don’t have any barriers to entry for whoever you want well I don’t like I told Matt I don’t go by these draft boards and I’m G tell you why like I told Matt because they’re manipulated by agents players and organizations they’re manipulated they agents and teams use those draft boards to try to get teams to do what they want them to do to make a bad decision so said player they want can come to them it’s like when word come out that says uh Castle don’t want to don’t want to train with um a team with a point guard but I guarantee you this I bet if the Hulk say hey man we think about picking you number one come practice I bet his ass be there so so let’s ask this let’s kind why do you feel like SAR is the best player because he has the most upside that don’t mean best player that mean he got the most potential the number one piit is always the player with what the most potential and the most upside tell me I’m line oh that that that’s different than what you just said though you no I said because he has the most upside when you picking number one overall you taking the best player available so when you at one you you looking at who has the most upside so when they drafted Wendy last year besides being good currently he also the teams like he has the most upside because guess what what he give me in year one ain’t gonna be compared to nothing he give me in year three do you feel like best player right now yes so let’s get to that why do you feel like he’s the best player right now because he does everything at a at at at 71 he does everything uh that I would want from a center but guess what he’s versatile I don’t have to play myself I could play Power he gives me so many options on both sides of the court that you don’t get from say like a Clingan or Edy who whose uh physical Bill make is good for one thing right like you take a sar and even and even and even Matt’s boy o Zack r right you could take him and had him do just switching on anybody running around doing all this jumping you can’t do that with a clinging you can’t do that with a um with a um um a big guy like a Edy right um I I could safely say I could throw saw on the perimeter say team try to switch and he on the perimeter am I nervous nope if King is out there perimeter nervous yes Ed EDI would be a little bit more nervous Clingan got cooked too well Clingan got cook one on De what about some of the issues that what about some of the issues that at least um it’s pointed out that I agree with some of the holes that they might see in his game his screen engagement his rebounding who don’t have a in game sorry but I’m saying you said ready to play right now he can’t play right now you ID he was ready to play now so I’m saying if he’s if he’s playing Center and they’re concerned about his screen his ability to set screens consistently right his ability to rebound his ability defensively to talk and anchor a defense like that how is that ready to play right why are they concerned about him anchoring the defense when by the reports that you read they all say he’s an elite defensive guy so why would they be concerned about the defense that’s one no no two his ability to switch eily I’m talking about his his ability to communicate on the backline and anchor the defense that’s been talking already all your scouting says he’s an elite defensive guy all those Scouts say that every switches on switches he can switch you seen them go shut no no he’s Elite on switches he’s Elite on switches de man now I think mine is a little bit more credible because it’s more of a question I’ve I’ve been looking I ain’t being funny I have’t yet guard his position yet every everything I’ve seen go back you need to go go watch the games perf games is on is on YouTube you can watch the whole game in right no I’ve been watching and every who does he guard I watch him so who does he guard ticket he plays just he plays just like a conle he hides on the perimeter who H how’s he hiding on the perimeter how do you hide on the perimeter the same way a kungo does that’s that’s that’s what I see if he’s on the perimeter is because the offense has forced him to switch and come out on the perimeter you don’t hide nobody on the perimeter that’s like me saying hey Trey can’t defend we gonna put him on the perimeter hell no you put him in the corner when you trying to hide somebody or you put him on a non score what I’m saying that you can you can switch and get back if you’re if you’re uh what’s it H and recover mat yeah you can do that he doesn’t once he’s on the perimeter he stays there for the rest of the possession bro I can he’s pretty good at like weak side help defense back I can pull up where they put SAR on the perimeter they put him in the pick and roll and he recovers on the road man for the block from from uh right above the key that’s what I keep trying to explain to y’all he has the athleticism and the length he has the athleticism and the length to recover from there remember we keep asking why do we go from corner threes why because when you look the wings that we have on the court usually like a bogey they not athletic enough when when that guard get penetration or whoever gets penetration and Bogey and Them Wings collapse in they don’t have the athletic ability or the length to get back out there and contest and run them boys off the three-point line that’s why the three-point line in the corner always open oh that’s on that’s Quinn because Quinn trap all the damn time so you always what when you got that but take it if you got the athletes in the length it don’t matter he could trap all he want because a guy like SAR a guy like SAR at 61 a guy like moay at 610 they can recover and get out there for those I just I think to depend on uh that’s that’s a lot to ask of him to be able to to be able to Deon to be able to hedge High to stop the ball and rate over to the opposite Wing I mean opposite corner consistently that’s a hard ax that’s a hard a at the NBA level where it’s where it’s bigger the bigger level don’t even do that effectively where he’s at y rank Rich shet higher on defense than exactly so you can’t rank him higher than SAR because if SAR can’t do it Zack definitely ain’t gonna do it no no no I never I never said that’s what I’m just asking who yall rank higher on defense no Zach no I would give SAR the The Edge over Zack on the defensive side of the ball just going off of the center position though I think the the holes that I feel he has in his game based on what I like in a center that’s where I’m like I don’t really I I ain’t really bought into to this guy like that the Deon is more of a position basketball type uh philosophy guy I’m more of a little a little bit of both you still need for me you got to have a little bit of traditionality as well you can’t just be full position L yeah but I I think screen setting and rebounding is more about like strength and like you know uh with really uh GI s maybe like two years no no no listen man listen give you that because Steph Curry is one of the best screen Setters in the league and he a guard listen man what are we talking about here man people said the same thing about Chad holdren when he came in the leag he’s not gonna be able to hey I’m making the comp bro people said the same exact thing they said Chad Homan won’t be able to rebound they said he won’t be able to get it to his shot and mind you saw ways like a 100 pounds more than Chad does when he’s now he’s coming out SAR weighs 226 pounds don’t tell me he can’t handle the weight man don’t tell me he can’t handle it dude is seven foot one pound he can’t handle it RJ you hold up this man averag eight rebounds a game you talking about he can rebound he didn’t start he didn’t start bro he a four rebounds jald he a four he a four rebounds tell you something let me tell you something me and Matt had this discussion me and Matt had this discussion wait a minute wait minute man you now all of a sudden you worried about rebounds DeAndre Hunter have two rebounds and you say man that’s all DeAndre H can do no but but hold on but wait but but RJ RJ y y religiously complain complain about ability to rebound but now y’all find with Y seven foot one Center not being able to rebound guess how guess how many more rebounds in like a longer game Guess how many rebounds Chad hram averaged this year eight how many rebounds he had in M eight that ain’t good eight that’s not good for for a rookie player I think that’s they want you to come out you are was Pi number two get rebound this will trip me out you are you are you you are projecting a lot you’re projecting that he’s you’re projecting a lot de a lot project because he only a 17 that he’s basically that he’s basically that that he’s basically gonna double his production in more minutes let me ask you this though get if he D I told you no I ain’t never said that this what I said okay I keep saying the same thing over he’s going to come in Anchor my defense on the his rookie year if he can help get my defense as a team to top 15 16 which is halfway mark his job this [ __ ] and and and production all I need from him if he can give me 14 and eight as a young rookie I will accept that because why one he ain’t gonna be the primary scorer he not gonna be the second primary score he might not even be the third in offensive usage on the team right can’t rebound we going to gang rebound like we always did you had Clint capella we had Jo boy jald and guess what we but but my thing is if we gonna g de if we’re gonna gain rebound de if I’m gonna gain rebound I might as well keep a con I knew that was coming my I told you to keep a I’m saying I’m might as well start him saying I might as well start a and draft the seven footer behind him AO is not going to start Matt you got to accept that listen man and what you have to realize what you have to realize I don’t care what you think about the Hawks just as a team the Hawks are the best team in the top 10 right now that that’s a fact bro we’re we’re who who say me bro we the Hogs are better than the teams in the top 10 bro look at the draft man the Hawks is the best destination for any rookie right now any because none of these rookies have to come in and be the guy all these other teams in the top 10 that rookie is going to have to come in and be the guy we’re not asking s to be the guy we’re not asking him to do that we just need him to come in Anchor the defense bro b some shots offensive game is Gonna Come I’m telling you man sar’s the pick man I and and let me ask you this man if you a GM and he turns out to be everything you believe he is you’re fired bro would you bet your job on it but if you take him and he doesn’t work out hey he just didn’t work out everybody believed he was the first overall pick it just didn’t work out you get fired when you pass on dudes like this I don’t think so I don’t think so he ain’t nothing I think I think like I said tallest [ __ ] I think I said he hey I told Deon earlier I said I I I called call it I I call it uh sarit I think y’all getting Blind by sights you know what I’m saying see ding the ball down the floor dunking the transition you know what I’m saying I just you know what I say Matt I just I think his game I think his game is farther away than what you know once you watch film on him and you watch the whole games you talk you you you you have talked yourself out of SAR that’s what you did you talk yourself I told you I was only going about highlights but when I watched the full game I was I was less impressed each game the Highlights better than I became less impressed less impressed less impressed it’s just like by the end of by by the end of this eth game I was like oh no man see you got off your Square man you you got talked off your Square man he was on Ed jarald was on Ed he was cleaning that I remember you were own Sor bro you talked about how man is picking Rose gonna be doing this the kid can picking po I I told RJ RJ I told you that was RJ I told you that that was shame on me because I was only looking at the highlights although I always had in my will you say the same thing about DeAndre Hunter since you want to replace him will you say the same thing about DeAndre Hunter since you want to replace yeah I I think Zack I think Zack is better today than DeAndre Hunter so I would start I would start Zack overand I don’t I don’t think so I think I think DeAndre is a pretty good shooter defense-wise he can I take offense is not the problem man defense is but but but z z is a good Defender RJ he’s a very good point of attack Defender z i a see no get the I had even really seen been looking he’s not a better Defender maner hey y I forgot to tell y’all this man Matt made up a new uh Matt made up a a new uh I don’t know a category Matt told me that Zack is an [Music] elite he told me Zack riches is a generational Wing Defender have y’all ever heard that before I say a generational shooter no I said that about K I said that about kabali no I said that K have you ever heard that what is a generational Wing Defender I ain’t never heard that I can see that I mean what was rich Shay’s three-point percentage what was his percentage it was like 40 he shot like 45 or something but what about the percentage when he was when Ricochet was only shooting like 25 yeah see they don’t want to tell you that what about that percentage RJ no RJ he finished the season above 40% in the playoffs okay tell me about his turnovers then what about his turnover hey RJ hey RJ you want to hear something RJ listen this is about rich just say right here Readiness and toughness and intensity are question marks we not an elite athlete his we got on the roster starting his thin frame causes him problems on both ends of the floor physical opponents can make his life difficult jumping off two feet needs work standing vertical leap needs work his quads are probably not as strong he got the same leap as Jason he got the same vertical leap as Jason Tatum oh my God the same ver Listen to listen what the Scout said since like what the Scout said the Scout said wait wait wait wait wait so now you value the scouts now you value the scouts no I’m just telling you what what people you believe in said the people you believe in said this his quads you know I’m I’m resar when you done go ahead I’mma rear when you done they said I’m read when you you hear me RJ dang they said his calf muscles is stronger than his quads wow what in the hell that is crazy how do you de that ain’t even believable bro I’m telling you what the Scout said this the same Scout that Matt posted all right de de you ready to me Deon you want you want me to read what you want allegedly has problems has problems putting the ball on the floor his dribble is too high his pullup game is still a work in progress can’t really create his own shot due to lack of an elite first step and loose ball handling needs to work on attacking close out his average ball handling limits him and is below average finisher at The Rim has problems finishing in the paint through contact has some wild misses at times when he takes shots in motion with the ball just hit in the backboard his floer knees work can’t really punish mismatches in the post oh my God s that’s a say [ __ ] y’all said about John Collins oh my God pretty much oh so you gonna get a s come on Matt ahead and read SARS Matt since we de do de all right de do you want me to read or do you want me to read it from the athletic why why they have him third on their on their board read the whole care I don’t care what the Athletics say it don’t matter to it don’t bother me because I don’t believe those guys you believe them that’s why I’m reading it don’t mean nothing me you you read you read it read it matter of fact I’ll post it while you read it give me a second let me get off Rich say sorry ass real quick so going back going about player right you you feel like he gonna be rookie of the year I don’t care about individual yeah I feel like can be R of the Year award listen man I’mma tell you why I believe he can be Rookie of the Year I’m going explain it to you he he will be playing with a generational Point guarding Trey young he’ll be Ricky of year no doubt if he St if s say’s healthy he’ll be Rookie of the Year hands down I got aund on it he won’t who want to take who want to take my money in the CH I got I got I got got report for oh you want bet RJ I call it I call it he be rookie at the I got right there Matt there it go that’s his weaknesses right there there you go all right what it say it says solid wiry strength but appears that he would never be an opposing athlete from a strength standpoint well that wasn’t the I had but go ahead questionable whether he develops into a high level score at the NBA level while he does take threes he doesn’t make many consistently a sub 30 point a 30% three-point shooter the hope is that he develops in this area and makes it a more reliable part of his game giving his potential as a face of threat his release from three looks decent albeit very slow and and parenthesis and setting his feet and releasing a ball so far is much further along defensively than offensively has real potential as a defensive anchor that’s his weakness has real potential as a defensive anchor is he vocal enough and does he have the smarts to read an offense and Lead his defense like a free safety not currently not currently a standout passer nor playmaker by any means while he can get to the rim and finish he can be out of control when stopping short of the rim for a pull-up jumper it doesn’t look clean and doesn’t gets the best results that’s it I can get a c with do that that’s it well how come you how come you haven’t if a w is so good why he ain’t done none of that [ __ ] he’s not starting on this I get a to live up to those weaknesses why he ain’t Jal aamu been in the league how long now uh four years five beat our capella yet so five years he ain’t done none of that [ __ ] so you all of a four years I’m saying wait de I also like to add other other weaknesses he has sure relying on two offensive moves lacks offensive versatility lacks offensive IQ inconsistent pick and pop game struggles with screen setting struggles with screen engagement struggles with screen lacks Rim touch discipline and finishing through contact defensive rebounding Deon defensive rebounding turnovers when self creating questions about ability to consistently play at the center position might need to play at may never athletic do you believe all the [ __ ] they say about motor and aggression can fluctuate throughout a game hell no okay now let me go see what athletic saying about Trey young recently since you believe in them now oh come on Deon wait a minute you said you didn’t like go said you got just saying all of a sudden all of a sudden now you like the athletic y’all told me the athletic was [ __ ] I thought that’s why you g like khil you have to qu her but let me ask you this though m j mad and jeral let me put this out there de de by the way Deon this isn’t a scatter hey let me put this out here for Matt and Jared I gotta ask this so right now we’re down to we got three cers one of whom Matt you can agree with he needs to be going in Clint capella I think Jared likes Clint capella is that right he no he need to go based on how Okay gotta so are we gonna really put the trust of anchoring our defense on OA K and Bruno Fernando no I ain’t say that no so so what are we talking about man that I mean that’s probably s right now is the biggest position of need but but there’s so many other there’s probably what five centers I disag that can do the same job of anchoring the defense who so so get so tell me somebody who you would trade for go after in free agency tell me the names oh hold on are you I’m talking about the draft I’m not talking about oh oh the draft okay so so you’re a component of trading down and maybe getting the uh Center yeah yeah okay okay see as long as you as long as you can see that Center is needed man I think the center is the biggest need yeah I I agree with that you do need a center RJ RJ for me I RJ for me I I would get I will leave aamu fine there I would come back into if you I would come back into that’s why I said to trade down with Washington at two I would get 26 and come back up with a player or whatever um and get a center I mean a get yeah get Center whether it’s khil we whether homes out of Dayton um I would get um a center from the draft later in the draft let me ask one overall that’s that’s AAL I mean I hear what you and I know you believe in on yaka kongu and and that’s cool but he I just when we watch last year he’s not playing Yannis onto DMO every year he’s playing a lot of different bigs and he struggled against aot lot of different Mone one of his main issue was struggling against bigs who were more skilled like he he has the ability to go up against more athletic guys but when he’s going up against skilled bigs on yeah I think we all can agree he struggles so what so RJ what do you want your Senator to be able to do exactly what I need my Senator to be able to do is protect the rim or Y can’t do that man he he got dominated as like I said especially when he goes against skill guys I need block rate is the same as a his block rate is the same as a cono listen man was was was was a leite let me check here my thing here’s my thing withar it’s literally the same th this is my thing with his stats bro the biggest difference is he never really got the opportunity when he was playing for those per Wildcat team over there in Australia he didn’t get the opport over there and it wasn’t because of a lack of talent it’s because over there in that particular League they value that veteran leadership just being on the floor he didn’t really get the opportunities that he should have got all right all right I’ll I’ll give you hold up mat hold up mat are you talking per 36 or like percentage okay block rate on block I’m clear I’m talking about their season stats not per 36 not per 100 not per 150 that people like to be doing because the problem with that is I don’t like per 100 and per 36 is okay I don’t like per 100 because you’re assuming that they’re going to continue the production that it’s going to be a straight line all the way through their entire entire game sometimes it fluctuates sometimes you start off hot you get cold sometimes you start off cold you get hot so I don’t like to look that per per 100 because it’s I compare I compare the team to this man have y’all ever seen Glory Road man have y’all seen Glory Road yeah there’s a scene in Glory Road when old boy uh who he picked to be the point guard was sitting on the end of the bench and he’s the damn near the best player on the floor but you wouldn’t know that because he only got like a few minutes when he stepped into the game man that’s how I’m looking at SAR man that’s exactly how I’m looking at him this kid only got a few minutes to actually play where zachar okay RJ RJ he didn’t RJ he had he had a few he had a few more minutes he had a few more minutes I think was right like he what about his go ahead I I couldn’t hear you yeah he wasn’t starter for the second best team in France listen man I understand the second best player in France second best team in France I’m saying okay take out per right you don’t want to you think he was underutilized what about OT right when he played with the Thompson Twins at OT when he played 25 minutes a game his numbers there were not much better they were 116 and one point but you gotta remember were 114 no no I’m sorry you’re right it was 116 and 1.8 blocks in 25 minutes yeah a year young but how old was he then though people grow yeah what I’m all I’m saying is man 17 here’s my thing man if I’m 16 and 17 well yes 16 17 18 yeah but what I’m saying is man real quick I’mma Let You Go Big D I just gotta say this man you will get fired for passing on a dude like this I promise you you will I promise you you will because you’re gonna wake up and say damn at the first overall pick what if he’s RJ what not what the top of theard mat what if he’s not you’re not you’re not gonna first of all first of all let me we got the homeboy Ron in the building man what’s what’s up Ron this your first time up here yep hey hey chat so Ron some love man salute to Ron tapping in with us man Ron I’m Ron talk to me what we doing with this number one pit Ron we need to get the best players s we need to get two we need help on defense he bring that three he he don’t got to depend on try on trade facts so you a so you ain’t got to worry about no more that Gerber baby stuff man like so what we talking about here you I do I just you just don’t want man Matt Matt want to go get uh what’s my guy name he want to go get the the fren the uh what s sa’s kid he wants to get Dorian Smith and Kevin her that’s who rich is who yeah what’s the kid name Rich to I said it totally disrespectful how you say his disrespectful it might be disrespectful to Kevin herder cuz he creates a better shot than what re does more like more like Karan Butler he ain’t like Karan Butler I’ve seenan Bridges either Matt stop it he’s not what we need help on defense and that’s what SAR brings and sar’s the best best defensive upside we need help on TW play defense mat why do you want why do you want to go get another Wing a good he why do you want to go get another Wing he can’t you mean another one we don’t have any he not listen man your boy Zach not even better than Mo that’s cap he can’t create his own shot Mo every s report he that’s that’s ridic that’s ridiculous let me ask you this Matt hold up hold up time out based on Mo G than him based on what based on what I seen what you saw uh tape and games you saw 2.7 points a game versatile my question is you a HS fan have you been watching the games yeah I can’t tell how you say that Ron because you don’t know [ __ ] about basketball man tell him wrong tell him and this is no disrespectful to you but we I mean I mean I I wouldn’t say that I may have a different opinion I would I wouldn’t say that how we losing on BL right Ron talking about you gota that’s a blanket statement you gotta look at how we’re losing on defense because we can’t guard nobody you’re giving up 50% from the field what you mean how we losing and listen man as much and Matt as much as you believe in Quinn bro he gotta have a Personnel man he doesn’t have the right Personnel defensively man I believe in Twin but I also believe G have the right person right now me easier it’s easier to find a wing and free agency than it is to find than you I agree with that 100% thank you Dar man that would score the ball okay RJ RJ RJ RJ RJ and Daren my question RJ RJ and Daren my question is at least at least according to this athletic article right from today not a mock draft demand but from people in the building in Atlanta the reason they had according to them they had Zach one SAR 2 and then when Quinn and the coaches got involved they bumped SAR down to three because they said he’s the center things that he doesn’t have that he would need to come in immediately and have his screen setting his ability to Anchor a defense so you know we already went through his weaknesses thing is screen experience is coaching that’s say it again man I missed the last part playing professionally for five years 19 years man this is what you just said he been playing a pro for five years he only 18 let me tell you why I believe in Quinn I will put you pair you pair S with Quinn let me tell you Rudy goar did an interview he said the exact same thing he said man when I first got into the league I had I couldn’t set screens my screen game was horrible he worked with Quinn that man now one of the best in the league your side don’t matter about technique when it come to setting the screen so all I’m saying is man okay but so why okay why why do you why do you think they Jordan don’t come in here with that damn clinging we a’t that cling we ain’t trying to hit that clinging mess Jordan don’t do that and listen mind you anything that comes out IM media right now who the hul’s taking bro all that is just G don’t nobody know they might ton James for all P listen whole panel this how confident you I’m just saying hold on hold on Matt how confident of y’all that SAR can guard his position that’s my number why you keep saying that because it’s a legit question reasoned can guard his position so I’m not I’m not that worried about it because everyone in the NBA switches anyway exactly rely are you guarding position so hold up so when we play yic when we play embid when we play when we play those guys you can’t you can’t rely on the switching excuse okay since you worried about that either way go look up let me go look up the games when we played yers in NB where we had Clint and you had uh uh o let me see what they put up against us real quick y’all go ahead and talk while I look this up let me look this up hey to answer the question man I believe it in 100 % I I do I believe in the kid man I’m sold on uh him guarding his position that tells you that can you give me a reference to be fair who in the what big man in the league that come straight in is able to guard their position who what Jal what big man do you know that comes in the league that’s able to guard their position straight out they all have to gain strength if the dude wasn’t drafter number one that wouldn’t be a topic ofers but since y’all talking about drafting him number one that can’t be a question so if so if I draft re number one I gotta worry about him dribbling the damn ball y he’s not the man shot no that no he’s he can’t guard okay dribbling the ball you want me to draft a spot up shooter number one Daren he’s not gonna have the usage so he’s not going to have to create his own shot so what so what you so what you saying ticket is he gonna be Gerber he gonna be Gerber baby like the rest of them be that too the only guy the only guy that wouldn’t be a gerber baby guy is Edy so we’re gonna so we’re gonna do the I’m just telling you based on the subject that we came up with only so good he he he trying out with the team with the 19 pick that’s how good he is hey [ __ ] be wrong every day bro let me tell you something ticket embiid averaged 37 points against us so I guess it don’t matter if if Clint capella and akabu can guard their position against Elite centers because they putting the points on us anyway and here’s the thing we don’t need s to be a offensive Juggernaut bro I never said about the off I said rebounding the guard hell no aage 22 and 12 yeah based on how y’all hyping his ass up yeah oh my God can I say one thing go ahead go ahead why we cannot get the number one pck and send him to I know alijan to teach him the moves he not he not a post big that’s the thing a post big S could be though s but let me tell you something when you S1 the want this a AA Center that’s all cuz when you S1 you don’t really even need a post game because I’m just gonna shoot over you when I face you up but M MC at the end of the bench for no reason huh so what so Mike mcalla at the end of the bench he can’t shoot bro what so so is is it that the argument is that we should take Rich no I no not for me they saying take that’s what they saying I know I know Matt I know Matt saw this let me go for a minute let me go for a minute Matt let me go for a minute saying let me go for a minute go for a minute Matt let me go for a minute just hear me out yeah yeah let Mary yeah go ahead Mary other day Matt you was on a 4H hour call and I caught some of it and you gave a link and I followed the link that talked about SAR then I followed the link that talked about ret the same the same group and it was shelvin Mack somebody we know he’s real intimate and familiar with rishes and what he said exactly is that until rishes gets strength he will get pushed off of his spot so his shooting might not translate right away why are we drafting this guy why are we drafting somebody that’s that’s gonna take two or three years yeah yeah he’ll get pushed off his spot trying to get his shot off because he’s not going to be as strong as an NBA small forward that’s what shelvin Max said about him sh Max said he’s GNA be a great player but until he gets strength he will not have enough strength to keep his spot he’ll get pushed off his spot and his shooting will not translate I said trade the pick Maran the boy is so weak the scotton report said his calf muscles are stronger than his quads do you know how weak you have to be for somebody to say how your muscles stronger than your quad that is funny how is that possible I can’t even think like pie that’s like pie with those on how is your quads the part of the leg in the Cal get and y’all want to draft this guy one overall I I didn’t say that oh my God bro I said trade for what I trade it for uh the San Antonio two picks four and eight for what if the draft weak why you want more picks than a weak ass draft to get who to get who exactly to get who at four and eight I go get clinging at four oh my god get knock I go get I go get Clingan at four he don’t have no upside ticket that’s your opinion okay you made more sense when you was on the Ed train yeah this dude don’t got no upside made more sense when you was on the y’ that’s what y’all think that don’t make it true okay who else you want ticket now now as far as eight a wing guy so okay why why are we going to race a pit on a ring guy and wether get one in free agent I don’t understand you can go get Zachary re in free agency I don’t so why a p why why y’all keep putting Rich you can’t no you can’t Daren no you can’t no you can’t Daren yes you can I could go get Dorian finny Smith and I’ll be fine C that’s what exactly Darion I didn’t say a word about rich and Shay who else I would I would I would take a wing at eight yeah probably so the reason why Ron is because even though I can get one in free agency the ones that are out there that can help us win we gonna have to overpay to get them like you sure about that Brandon you gonna have to pay him what it 50 million a year if you trade you gotta extend i f tell you this can the man ball b no no answer that with me I talk in reference to winning the championship I talked about a championship this year can he ball when he not injured I’m not paying 50 everybody get injured who you talking about uh Ingram Ingram I’m talking about Ingram man listen listen look I betray cins for man look listen this what I’mma tell y’all man sooner or later you have to spend money okay you got to spend money look at the Celtics they payrolls $190 million and and who did they overpay for on that roster I’ll wait Jaylen Brown damn conf final MVP per in the NBA right now he is the highest play player in the NBA over Jason tat jown Brown he’s only the highest paid player due to when his contract came up yeah I just think that they overpaid to keep him hey can y’all hear me yeah listen the reason why I’m so big listen man you can go into this uh free agency period you know who I want man I’m gonna put a name on it man go get just go get Paul George then [ __ ] another one hey RJ they don’t want no all NBA player they gonna come up with every excuse excuse they either too old or they always injured like we ain’t paying a bum $22 million who always hurt Hey listen would you rather pay the money and be good or pay the money and just be the road just average pay the money at least be good man I’m cool I’m cool with Paul George you got veteran pres but my thing is RJ oh I pay him before I pay Ingram yeah go ahead Matt go ahead that’s a tough one right there that’s tough I do it because he can shoot he can shoot I’m I was telling you I was telling you and Daren that I was telling you and Daren that you know one of the things that I think and Landry touched on this like they they’re looking for scheme fits not necessarily like yes best player is cool but like they got to fit the scheme they got to fit the system and so Baron Ingram like I just he don’t fit like what we’re trying to do he don’t play fast he don’t shoot the threes at the volume that we need like he he doesn’t fit so like they can probably make him work but he doesn’t fit Rich richet fits he’s a he’s a plus 40% three-point shooter he gets he finishes transition what what system be playing I mean I would move down to number two Daren I would move down to number two mat a five out pace and space I’m sorry man I just feel like we can get a small I mean OG OG will be available in free agency that’s what I want to go get like come on man we can literally and and and see and and Matt you’re a Trey guy you’re a Trey Guy this is what makes Trey young excited you mean to tell me y’all bringing in OG an noi and I got a big seven foot one Center and I got a young upand cominging dude and Jaylen Johnson that’s what Mak young RJ but but but RJ people complain every day but but but R.J every day people come up here and complain about DeAndre Hunter missing games so you want to go pay o anobi to miss 40 games I would pay OG I think OG is better than DeAndre hunter in my DeAndre H that’s because DeAndre Hunter Don’t Make No impact and listen man I’mma tell you something people as a fan I don’t care saying inj long people have went on Big D talks about his injuries man listen I’m telling you man OG will be available that’s another guy I threw out Paul George it’s just a lot of first of all I think it’s a more talented guys at the small forward position we can go after in free agency than Center that’s all I’m saying I think you bring and and listen and that’s why I said that’s why I was saying earlier the Hawks are the perfect team for any of these top guys because we not asking you to come in here and be a 20po scorer we’re not asking you to hell we’re not even asking you to come in and give us 15 we just need you to come in play Stout defense protect the rim hey man when Trey gives you those easy shots you need to be able to jump off the floor and dunk the ball Clint capella come on man we’re not a we don’t need you to be a ball just a Flatout Baller in year one this is the perfect place but RJ my thing is why would I why would I get a rim Runner why would I spend the number one overall pick on a rim Runner who block shots off ball more most importantly and I could get that with khil we at 17 I could get that with Holmes at 21 I could get that with uh the other dude from um uh uh Arizona at 26 I could get that you know I’m saying like I could get that back in the draft why am I spending the first overall pick on that or number two overall on that that don’t make sense to me because be in this scenario and I’ll explain to you why you do that one I those guys that you mentioned I believe SARS floor is way higher than all of those guys you’re talking about facts but here’s the reason but I’mma put this out here if youan wait wait wait you mean his Silling or his his ceiling I I believe his ceiling is higher than those guys I believe his believe his ceiling is higher than those guys man but I will say this you you go after this Wing player let’s just say you draft this Wing player we’ll call we we’ll say it’s Zachary rochade number one overall you bring him in you running on yeka kongu and Bruno Fernando at our Center position right now bro if I’m Trey young that don’t get said no no no RJ I just said I’m going to trade back I just said I’m use I’m move down to two no RJ I just said I’mma use I’mma go down to two and I’mma use 26 and something else to go move back up to get a center okay so I personally khil we is my personal favorite and if you look at I like gambling I like gambling that’s reckless Gamble and you look at SAR comine numbers they’re they’re similar okay so who who’s your Center in the draft who’s your Center in draft besides SAR obviously not s but who’s your Center who mine Ed okay yours top is my top Center in the draft KH is my top Center like yeah who’s who’s your guy in the draft KH we kware okay how you getting them now here’s my thing with that when you trade back you’re hoping KH we you’re hoping that they’re going to be there because there’s been toss khil we might even jump into to the top 10 there’s been talks about that Zack Edy you could get him but here’s the thing with that that is such a freaking gamble as an organization are you really do you really want to take that risk what’s the risk if you trade back to get the center that you want and they’re not there now you just trade it back for really nothing because the guy that you wanted is not there I think Edy would be there I would give give you Ed I I will if you trade all the way down I’ll give you Ed but wait wait wait hold hold up hold up maybe I’m I know I’m in the garage but am I trip I’m tripping what what why we taking so what they’re saying is they’re they believe trading back but my thing is I just bro why tell why why this is why we don’t win [ __ ] I’m de I’m Trading I’m trading back I’m tring with I’m trading with I’m trading with Washington because I could still get my number one player on the on my board at two and I could still get a center I don’t believe we need a center I think you can get that in free agency but get what we gonna get a free agency I can get I can get Drummond I can get a bunch of centers you are you serious wait a minute you said Paul George you would take Drummond oh my God man oh my God Paul George is too old but we’ll take old Drummond old Drummond Drummond’s not that old back that’s what I’m not the I’m not come on man you got make this he said what we want isn’t available later in the draft get out of the garage you he said isn’t available well first off first off not we want isn’t available first off Matt the problem with your proposal you said you wanted to trade back with Washington is that right right so you gon to call up Travis yes after you you stabbed him in the back Mary knowing what I was getting at he knew he not the GM not the G that’s exact do you really think SL is GNA do a deal with the Atlanta Hawks not at all not the GM pick up your M I’mma pass I’mma tell him to pass the phone to the GM so we could get the business Hey Hey listen slink would be in the back be like man you take that I quit right now that’s what slink would do that’s how Andre I can find aout anywhere the season you want to start a season with your big being Drummond and and a conw so no deam you’re not listening no I didn’t say that deont I RJ said what if your Center that you wanted is not available in the draft I’m saying you I just threw out a name that you can get in free agency Thomas Bryant is another name you can get in free agency uh another guy gay Mo gay Mo gay not a he said tell you but he said they’re teaching him how to play center that was at Washington state that was at will play center in certain lineups moay is a power for you don’t put that type of athleticism bro you don’t put that type of athleticism at the five man said that were training to NBA the NBA is putting the putting the best player available they giving the Atlanta H to take the best player available and y’all we are taking the best player available I don’t think he the best player Alex he ain’t the best player de Deon he’s at least at least according to the athletic he’s not the best player on their board he’s not even in the top two on their he ain’t he ain’t the best player guess what well guess what I’m about let me let me let me pull up the we talk Hawks boy number one Alex on the we Au board boom there you go I’m just saying I’m just saying he he Ain the best player I’m from people on I’m just saying allegedly from the people in the room he not even on the top two on their board man listen hey you know what scre who is the people in the room Landry Kyle Nick a you know what’s so funny about them ain’t none of them winners none of I’m just saying you cannot like I’m just saying you cannot like I’m just saying if these dudes do not take SAR okay I’m on their ass this franchise I’m done I am done I’m done with these dudes I just look they mess up every top 10 pi we get you know what man de all I’m saying this I say this I will say this man you don’t take sir and we watch him go over there and watch it and we like man that could have been us the same thing right now RJ I want y’all to be standing on that richet bandwagon with your heads up high so I can see him man I want you to stand on that rich when his ass in College Park listen man I’m I’m telling why would you think re is not gonna be in College Park but you want to put uh Alex SAR in College Park that don’t make no sense exactly I never said no no no I never said that I never said that I said S I said have him off the bench behind the conw I never said look this this organiz let me tell you something man you know why the NBA gave us that number one pick cause they up they know that we gonna [ __ ] it they know it I don’t understand RJ and dar RJ and Daren can y’all I already I already know I know where Mar although I didn’t hear Maran go I didn’t hear like the full definition about the difference what’s the difference to y’all between SAR and and arish what’s the is there a white Gap is it close damn right on the defensive side it’s not a Matt it’s not a it’s a gap but it’s not wide I just think SAR is better I think his ceiling is way higher you don’t find S foot one people that move like SAR does you just don’t they’re not really in the league Chad wmy that’s it who else bro listen if they where I can I can find I can find Rich Shades everywhere yeah man listen a matter of fact with Rich shet you can get better guys in free agency veteran guys and what we need last year we needed a veteran presence I think we need some veteran presence that starts not Patty Neils and whoever the hell but when I look at Zachary richet man when I look at Zachary richet this is what I see I just honestly I see a guy who’s a spot up shooter that that’ll be streaky in the NBA very streaky in the NBA now I know Mike now listen I I’m not going to say the kid can’t Dr but I will say he’s had a lot of turnovers he’s had a lot of turnovers playing in that League because it’s handled and another thing is Zachary richet doesn’t believe in his handle enough to drive to the basket the same way DeAndre Hunter does not drive to the basket because he doesn’t trust his handle here’s my thing with SAR he comes in we’re asking him to be less than what you’re going to ask Zachary richet to be because let me tell you what you’re asking Zachary Rich sh to be bro I need you to handle the ball I need you to be able to defend I need you to be able to drive to the basket and I need you to be able to shoot that’s a lot when we for a rookie you bring in s this is all I’m asking you to do I need you to be down in the paint I need you to protect the rim the rebounds he’s gonna get those at 7 foot one I don’t know why people say he can’t rebound I believe he’ll get the rebounds at 7 foot one bro he just got to stick his arms up there he got what like a eight foot wingspan or some craziness like that they say that L exactly yet that’s the only reason you’re not asking Zachary you’re not asking Alexander I mean uh yeah you’re not asking SAR to do a whole lot you just need him to be a good Defender he’ll he’ll be better at setting screens because Quinn helped Rudy gobear do that Rudy go bear is one of the best screen Setters in the league and my last point with SAR bro when I watch these cers who are able to put the ball on the floor and do a pick and pop that is gold in the NBA that is gold when a center can put the ball on the floor and dribble and shoot over a guy all right let in for a second okay go ahead goad let me for a second um here here’s here’s what I say often times in the draft we forget that the draft is just as much about future returns as it is about present day returns present day SAR comes in he’s the best defender on our team day one he’s already the best he he he’s already the one that can guard the pick and roll he’s already the one that can switch off on guards he’s already the best defender that we have day one stepping on the court they want now future returns imagine him in three years when he’s picked up the weight he was already the best defender now he’s 245 he’s 71 he’s dominating the league offense and defense that’s the future return what can we about richet not a lot in fact all right all right all right all right let me go let all right let me go make you happy hold on let me finish finish to make you happy we draft SAR in free agency we go out and get Caleb Martin in free agency we go out and get your boy Andre Drummond we’re set we’re set what you doing at the what you doing at the wing what you doing at the wing I said in free agency we get Caleb Martin if you don’t like Caleb Martin we can get Simone Pino if we can get either one of those so so who’s the two who’s the two who’s the two who’s the two that’s a good question what that got to do with what he saying is your boy Kobe not ready for oh Matt not he not Matt not messing with Kobe now cause I’m I’m confused because broid out a plan for you Matt we we got everything cover all right all right all right all right all right all right I heard I heard I heard what y’all said my my my my rebuttal to all three of you let’s let’s let’s think about this in depth okay um richet foul rate is higher than SARS right he draws more his foul rate is 10% draws more fouls than SAR right 10% will put him the top five in 10% will put him in 10% or foul rate will put him in the top 10 in the NBA today right and we know in Euro league we know in Euro league they call fouls a lot less than they do in the NBA and his foul rate is 10% foul rate so he gets a his free by the way by the way by the way Trey young his best season so far his foul rate was six% so already at 10 and y’all say and y’all say we are we for real are we for I’m just saying we talk all de de we talk all the time about being able to get to the rim putting pressure on the rim I and this guy the wait I’m just saying let me let me let me let me flow dear let me flow okay so his foul rate is already better than SAR his foul rate is already better than his rebound his rebounds are already higher than it’s either tied or higher than SARS right his points per game is already higher than SARS so my thing with SAR is y’all are asking for him to come to the Hawks and produce consist consistently at a level he’s yet to do so far in his entire life Real Madrid he didn’t produce OT he did not produce he was a kid not MD my thing is he was even that he wasn’t even 17 at Real Madrid I say he’s like 14 15 yeah he was 16 when he got the OT the man trying to put out some stats on the 16 17 year old kid no no I’m pointing you that num are better today no I’m pointing out the risky numbers are better today they were better yesterday they were better last year they were better the year before they were better so good how come he didn’t come over here to OT and play against some Americans because he was playing for the second best team in France that’s what I thought because he know where he know where his bread getting buttered at he know what the comp he didn’t want comp question is De my question is Tony Parker handpicked rich said to be on his team the second best team in France and yet s is also from France but he had to go to Australia to play as a backup he didn’t know so my thing is go he didn’t have go to Australia to play what are you talking about wait whoa whoa wait a minute wait a minute you’re telling me Daren he chose so he was offered the same opportunity to Zack w to start on a playoff team he said he chose he chose to go down there he chose to go down there he said it in the no I’m just asking you did he did he have the same offer that from Tony Parker to play on his I don’t know all I know is that he chose to go down there for a specific reason probably not is it fair to say is it fair is it fair Daren is it fair to say probably not considering he didn’t start on his team in Australia is that fair to say probably not no I don’t think so I don’t think that’s fair to say considering the team he went to in Australia was a championship caliber team thank you thank you I don’t knowy like but so did Rich but so did Rich but Rich started let me tell you something rich was in Rich a team that was in the semifinals he stay France for re semi he he did not want to come over here and leave his comfort zone and test himself he didn’t want to prove himself most of what talk over here he said I’m gonna stay over here in this farmers league and get my shine on he a want okay so so so so one point about rich so so one point about rich sh’s numbers being always better that’s that’s first second ca he played in how played last year Deon better leag his numbers were better no de it was no not against bumps the second best league in the second best league the second best French team in the United States and the league that he played in is considered the best outside of America the fren league is trash so all right all right the man so hold on wait so all right so the numbers are better I don’t think that’s any question un numbers are better you know what I’m do while you while you talk let me pull up and see what he did last year all right they’re better than SARS second when I look at how we played last year where our shortfalls were last season right it wasn’t necessarily the center position because we had consistent Center play whether that was a condo and capella or it was capella and Bruno we had at least good Center play not Elite not great but good defensively defensively def but again Mar how do we but Mar how do we play defense Mar we play defense in a matchup Zone where the big comes out high and hedges the ball or traps the ball the wing plays lurk at the top and they recover to the rim so my thing is the the wing is more important than the center because the wing has to has to push the ball back out and they have to play the corners so the wing is much more important in the scheme than the center Matt so if I even if I get Alex SAR right and I use him and he Hedges out high and he wins that match up one onone on the switch and they reverse the ball who is that Wing at The Rim that’s gonna give up layup after like the like the Cleveland game when a 80% of the game on theim tra and Donovan Mitchell and and Jared Allen was wide open underneath the rim on Sadi Bay over and over and over again mat look at these numbers Matt look at these numbers so in the French league in the pro league I me I can’t see I know what they are 13 minutes yeah two points yeah what are we talking about Matt okay he had one season last year what was Point what was the next year 10 points okay deont do you know what the deont do you know what the leading score in EUR League was last year do I know what damont do you know what the leading score do you know what the leadest score in Euro was don’t care I’m telling you your boy 22 minutes 10 points just under points game it was just under it was just under 17 points a game dear you act like he was like up what I’m saying one he played in a very particular role oh n you tell you they don’t score a lot in League they don’t score a lot in the Euro league you didn’t say none of that five minutes ago hey the mind maybe he got fouled and got those two points I said he went to a playoff he went to he went to a playoff team and started he went as as a 17 18 year old he went to a playoff team and started where s gave you two points had to catch a camer across free throws hold up man my allar point guard so he played 22 minutes last year this is so in the Euro Cup the playoff with the Euro Cup not even it’s the Euro Cup he had a nice run 13 points I mean that ain’t no that ain’t no game changing [ __ ] right there the way mat be hyping him up then he F the regular season he averaged 10 points you need a garage Mama thank you baby and then and then he average 10 points so what are we talking about I just told you the leading scorer in the Euro league had under 17 the the leading score in the Euro league had under 17 he averaged 16.7 the leading score in the Euro league he listen they don’t score a lot of points over there your boy got high still but it’s still more points than SAR your boy got hot for the playoff Matt that was it regular even de de even in OT deont even in OT de even deont even in OT didn’t didn’t go pro at 14 Deon didn’t s Go Pro at 14 with with the Real Madrid uh Academy right yes right so he was a two-year Pro by the time he got to O OT by the time he got to OT he was a two-year Pro in his first season he gave me eight points and three rebounds in his second year his best year ever ever playing basketball was 11 points and six rebounds that’s that’s better so hold hold hold say that again say that again what was his first year what what Matt what was Saw’s first year production again at Real Madrid his best season what what what was his best season I’m talking about OT I don’t know what it was I’m still trying find from Real Madrid I’m talking about OT OT his first year was eight eight and three his second year was 11 and six okay hold up hold up hold up hold up so my thing is we’re drafting a you want me to draft a guy come on you want youj you RJ Daren Mar y’all want me to draft a guy who best season ever playing basketball was 116 and 1.8 blocks is that what y’all telling me where he was already a pro for two years before he came to which compris which comprise of all on which a babies a a Darlings your boy bestas telling me Matt your boy best season I’m looking 10 points let’s see let’s see what else he did bro not. n assist he had more turnovers did assist three rebounds deont he was in a he was in a particular Ro what 35% compar only what happened to the where’s the 45% you keep talking I see way better way better than SAR where’s the 45% he shot 45% in the playoffs the Zachary Richard shaki shot like 45% that was like in the playoffs okay so in the but in the regular season he was trash so right he got hot in the playoffs okay that’s cool that’s you can’t teach seven foot one man that’s all I’m saying you can’t teach seven fo good he had a very good 17 game stretch man if you don’t get out of here if you look at De if you look at each month he got better his percentage got better each month you can’t teach second athleticism with SAR de I think with SAR I get I get he’s seven foot one John they want to get seven foot one an athletic go ahead say it you can’t teach it you can’t teach that John seven foot one a seven foot one who who averages four rebounds four rebounds about that hey hey Matt Matt can I get on the freeway I I just need to merge on end and get in that right lane and stomp the gas so I can get on over in the left lane man I just need to get on the freeway that’s that’s all I need I just need to get on the freeway man cuz see you driving a damn uh five trailer tractor trailer truck and folk can’t get on the road man we can’t even get on the road hey hey John iy I had to come I’m fighting against he got a five trctor trailer and he carrying a bunch of [ __ ] in there I mean yeah you got I’m not fighting John I’m fighting against I’m fighting against four people up here that got a height fetish well it’s not a it’s not a Hy F you want a spot to five because I know why Ryan here I know why Ryan is here but you about to have five but I’m gonna I’m gonna know I know I’m ready joh you just gonna throw me under the bus like throwing you under the bus you know what you came here for I was just coming to I was coming to support support man on the opposite side of the fence that’s all how you going to support a man on another side of a fence but but any rate but at any rate what’s up Matt but at any rate I’m gonna say this I’m gonna say this what’s up Matt you and I was just sitting and listening and I think we I’ve said this to you before you’re an analytics man you’re definitely an analytics man that studies facts and figures and you know uh things that are on the sheet and one thing about that is that if you’re not watching the game versus and and you know this is what everybody does this is what I I I hear a lot of times what people do they will take what they see on the sheet what they see on you know basketball reference and various other media Outlets or other outlets that have stats and quote those raw stats but you don’t know what happened see because say let’s take assists per game turnovers per game a lot of times those assists are not counted because man misses misses the shot you gave him the ball but the man missed the shot so that that assist potential assist isn’t even count turnovers you pass the ball to the man man ain’t looking man fumbles the ball away who gets the turnover the passer or the receiver the man passing the ball is the one that gets the turnover because yeah you okay and and it’s a it’s an opinion based set all right I come from a school where the iest factors huge in my assessment of players it it factors huge especially say for instance I’m looking at the Hawks I can look at certain players just like you guys do man that joke is trash but stat stat wise stat wise he may look like a dog on ropes he may look beautiful stat wise but when you see the man playing he’s trash then HHH the opposite can take place Kool take place you know and I had that Kool-Aid what’s going on Kool-Aid Kool-Aid you muted hold on man let me okay we can hear you now now Miss Koolaid last time that’s who we needed up in here so yeah yeah I’m I’m G wrap up you know but see that’s the thing with me right now I’m looking at who is in the finals versus what I got on the Hawks what I got on the Hawks can’t compete because we don’t shoot that good but and I was telling you guys long time ago the Hawks are too small the Hawks uh can’t play defense the Hawks don’t shoot as well as Boston Boston is hitting shots with people in their Grill okay Boston is beating people up going to the basket okay we get beat up man look we we look like a feed bucket in a mu barn by the time we get through playing because we get Beat to Death we just like a pinata at a Mexican birthday party that’s too cause we not serious we not John John we not Ser not Ser when you look at when you look at the Celtics right and you look at that team let me tell you what stands out Drew holiday Max money uh jayen Max money Tatum Max money porzingis 30 plus million now let’s look at our sh let’s look at our guys where we spend our money at Hunter 22 million Clint 22 million bum I mean this what I be trying to tell people man listen yeah yeah we you know what they tell meint what they tell me this what they tell me they’re waiting on the wrestlers to finish the parking garage what what yeah that’s why he can’t spend no money Park Dam to the ICU to draft players we go to Grady hospital down there and we drafting bums that just got beat up in a bar fight on Auburn Avenue that’s what we that’s what we putting out there on the floor hey you know what I always say what you doing I’m doing a little yard work man what if I can offer you John what if I can offer you two of the things that you want I can offer you a 610 guy I need four I need a 610 guy that’s a plus that’s a that’s a plus shooter a plus shooter I mean for a whole one 17 game side shot 56% from Three Man call that man what he is he’s a SP shooter but but John I’m just saying John I I can offer you a guy that fix two of your problems the shooting for sure and the height for sure 6 fo 10 plus almost 40% shooting in end the year 40% okay now now Matt this this is the problem he’s 610 how much does he weigh well well how much does he weigh because one thing I keep trying to tell y’all we are in the Eastern Conference okay we in the Eastern Conference I can’t have anybody that anybody out there 7 foot one 61 five you know 68 69ine that 145 and 150 pound you you know you real quick let me give you is only s is only 220 oh man only say something guys let me say something man and growing y’all might say I’m saying it over and over again to win a championship is start with ownership ownership getting the right manager manager getting the right coach drafting the allar player that’s where it start the problem with Atlanta hals is that that ownership is is not is trying I’m I’m just say it like this now y’all might not like what I’m going to say now the wrestlers I know y’all got on me the last time I said this the wrestler is the only ownership that have taken two teams to the conference final so I’m saying they they trying to learn okay they problem is what happen with losing is that ownership get favor till and when they went to hold on Kool-Aid Koolaid what they ain’t take they this ownership group is only taking one team no no they were owner they were owners went when when Harford done went to and and Bo hold that was the spirit group that was the I thought that was the wresters no no no I tell you I’ll tell you that was under it was split that’s the same that was a spirit group that’s no that’s the same year Danny fery got fired Tony russler took over but and then we won those 60 games because because no russler wasn’t here yeah he was here I was I was a member man I’m I was a member I was a member he was here listen listen John listen I’m F to tell you the timeline John I’m G to tell you the timeline Danny Ferry built the 60 win team right offseason he never got to see them perform because he got fired right right he got fired right took over the team uh that fall he took over the team was already listen the team was already up for sale when Danny Ferry got fired the team was already up for sale and they was already working the paperwork wrestlers uh Team let let me let I’m just gonna pull it up for you I’m just okay let me just I I get what you saying I that was that was um don’t G because Billy Knight was the GM then no he wasn’t no I had season tickets Danny correct me correct me after I finish man after bro listen to me he bought the 2015 H right yep and and no no no no no no let me let me look looking at it now 2015 he’s been the Principal owner of the Atlanta Hawks since 2015 for an estimated $730 million and it was ultimately so in my head he bought that team in 2015 because he’s the one who who said who didn’t bring Ferry back he’s the one that made bu the uh the GM and the president exactly minut GM and he made the coach and the GM they won 61 they won 61 games exactly Conference Final and they got by Cleveland Danny and they spent $850 million on the team for him to own it it was estimated 730 million but he spent 850 million on the team so he’s been around since 2015 bro Danny built that 60 win team and he wasn’t around to see them perform CU he got fire but he got fired wait wait a minute I got to look that up listen to me John listen listen listen listen listen yeah I gotta look ASG listen to me listen to me the ASG had already had the Hawks up for sale Tony wrestler and them come in they were just working out the paperwork when the fairy [ __ ] happened why the fairy [ __ ] only happened because the ASG which was multiple owners right levingston and I can’t remember other guy they was beefing and the dude who hated Lon so much he’s the one that leaked the audio for Danny fair to get fired but luckily they was already they were just doing the paperwork to transfer ownership of the team so the 6 win team that Danny Ferry built he never got to them perform because he remember and Tony Russ took over the team and what he did was instead of getting a a GM to replace fairy he just gave it to Bud I remember that but was bel5 was Belin the princip excuse me was LE nestler rustler uhhuh was he the principal owner in the Atlanta Spirit group no he was never in the spirit group and uh what’s your boy you just said um those two was the PRP they was the big dogs in the ASG they the ones who was beefing right right see that’s why I was saying that’s why I was saying that HH Tony rustler was not the principal owner nor was was he involved in The Spar group at all as a minority owner no uhuh see that’s why I was saying that the spirit group was in charge when they went to that first Eastern Conference Finals with with a 60- win team you no I see it man I see Spirit group the spirit group had do I’m just that’s my point so thing right right because the thing was we found out that the spirit group had been beefing from the very beginning they weren’t getting along at all when this when this first situation took place when they leaked the phone call about Danny Ferry it just brought all of those internal things to life and see that’s why I say that the spirit group was in charg when we went to the Eastern Conference Finals the first time then the second time yes was never in charge well man here’s the question John who who you taking in the dra the team was already know I’m taking I came to say say who the team was already in the process of being sold okay yeah I it was just a matter of getting the paperwork but the team had already been sold it it was just a matter of getting the paperwork completed okay until the paperwork was completed who owned the team okay John okay John I got we got listen listen I got you I got you listen listen to me now when the paperwor got completed the season hadn’t started so they was not in charge when the season started when we won 60 games okay man who you taking in the draft Sor koid I’m gonna get to the point and my point is is that management and picking the start now landra has gotten lucky and hit the number one draft pick oh Lord okay so therefore and also he had he has gotten lucky he made some good he has made some good draft in his last draft with the young board now this this time he got the number one draft pick and all I’ve been saying is SAR being the best of this what you call socalled nonraft group group that’s not supposed to be good SAR is showing up as number one and he I looked at him on CBS I took a picture of it on C mat was GNA come I hear I hear that stuff popping up I hear that stuff popping up I don’t know who bringing that stuff up like like like I said we got to be careful as fans and ownership that we don’t let we got to do we got to do like what we got to do like what the Falcon did we was not going to let them not talk us out of taking penic man we don’t care what 9 and2 N is what some of them other stupid people now you starting to see a good manager starting to deal with a good coach and a and and then and then you see this this other guy who who belich told to get out the way now he finally getting out the way and let this manager do what he do and this coach pulling together and now they is pulling together a team that I seen I I I think his name his show he put a scenario of the Atlanta Falcon going he said this was the scenario okay the uh cousin playing in that in that game he get he get knocked out for two games pennet come in and win and Cousin take us into the Super Bowl he’s and that’s the that’s what he p us you don’t get that outside of Atlanta talking for Nobody Until We what you’ve been per and Kool-Aid you been me and you talked about this the last time you and I was on here because I said this from the jump and we always talk about ownership exactly I’ve said it I’ve said it until we get a competent general manager in there to fix these problems and yes meandry has to prove that he’s competent dog I’m sorry man so what land gota do so my Pi this is this is what this is what land gota do the only thing man you have a problem with with the trade and the DJ thing that’s cool go we’ll let that go okay but we as a manager as as farar being shown in the beginning before the draft all the way up into these little trying to trick us off moving him around stuff as Richard Shay had had dropped one time to the fourth spot that you want but SAR is number one so therefore we cannot afford to Landry cannot afford and Atlanta H cannot afford to let nobody trick us off on gin SAR s Koolaid you let it go me up for three seasons on the first round pick for five seasons on the second round pick I can’t let that go so say what you say don’t worry about that man just worry about we talking about we talking about we talking about making this a good year man we talking about Atlanta house and Atlanta Falon doing some stuff bro like I said Landry got lucky Landry got lucky he got the number one you you right they got lucky but in one year one year you messed me up for five years in the second round three years in the first when I mess you on that doing let me you can’t do let me tell you something one thing you cannot see the future you cannot see the future we did not see listen what I’m saying man you did not see that Atlanta HKS getting the number one draft pick with all that’s going on but we would have had a first round number one draft you know it was working together how you know it wasn’t working together for us to get DJ get G and give that number one pit and lose but but see you you sit up here and wait a minute you threw away three first round draft picks to get something that we didn’t need to lose we did not we why are you trying to lose nobody trying to lose on purpose I’m saying the way theam was structur we was going to lose headache already what I’m say just like you say you can’t see the future you can’t see the future so why in the world would you give away valuable draft capital for one man and the one man you got was something that you didn’t need you know why because land and Nate and I’m G throw Tre now thought they was getting a diamond in DJ Murray to do exactly what they wanted to do and they raised that man valuable for no first round draft leave the pass alone man leave the pass alone leave the pass alone we talking about now hey Koolaid you’re not Koolaid you’re not gonna get across to him because John listen John ass won’t let go of Matt Ryan so you really think he gonna let this go and Matt Ryan is a is a first ballot Hall of Famer I don’t give a damn when nobody say the numbers don’t lie and John will never let that [ __ ] go a first B Hall of Fame he’s not a first B Hall of Fame real quick man real quick real quick real quick I gotta come on your show bro I gotta come on your show I gotta come on hey shout out to homeboy J in the building man this your first time up here Jay this is my first time salute don’t take Sor there man I’m not feeling that man welcome to the ter I’m tell you why I said that before you start Jay let me tell you this oh this part of the open form is not moderated right so if you got something say you gotta get in really you had to tell him that I always let people know that because some people they be like they’ll just sit there and wait for like I’mma acknowledge this the open form part right here so if you want to make a point you just got to get in where you fit in this never get on to me uh I read your little comment I know you already over there with Matt so go go and speak your pece listen I I see y all the time I hear all the T so I already know how this goes look I’mma tell y’all something I like SAR I do if you’re asking me who is the guy with the highest ceiling I’ll tell you it’s s the problem with s when y’all watch him I don’t think y’all notice he has a very strong shot I don’t really think the touch on the shot is there and if he can’t shoot he’s a little too small to play the five and now you have a big problem and when you watch his all possession videos it’s a lot of mishandled passes it looks a lot like capella where he’s juggling the ball and then NBL is cool he can kind of get the ball kind of power his way up and get some layups but in the NBA that’s the difference between that being a turnover the defense closing out it’s a lot of problems if he has to play the five he’s a big project if you want to take that on at number one overall cool but he’s not starting for you day one whereas like a guy like re he already shoots it’s like if the very minimum it’s easier for you to get a handle than it is for you to get a shot so you don’t take him at number one you trry back and find who you want but it’s like his floor says this a three wing that can make passes in transition if you can get them to tag off close outs that’s a special talent that’s a special talent that’s all I’m saying I would take number one and then try to you got come back up me me outar me about me out hold on Qui I at one I’m trying to trade back in at three the reason why I take clinging at one is if you take if you trade out one you know whatever team that’s going to get that’s going to get one is probably going to take s and you don’t know if Reese is going to be there at three so if you can call the rockets and try to figure out how to move off some salaries like like Hunter or capella and get the third pick in addition to the one pick I would take Clingan at one Washington would take Sor at two I take r at three and right now nobody want a dirty long it’s it’s we gotta convince somebody to take that these people have been watching the hwks all year long they don’t I would SLE I would not let me let me okay so let me answer Koolaid first Koolaid what you Koolaid what you said about Alex SAR being the universal pick right that was based off of but like media mock you know drafts and things like that the picks the the the consensus now more that it’s closer to the draft you could talk to the people in the room in the draft rooms more closely now the it’s been put out now more concretely that they’re they have richet number one on their board he’s been number one on their board the whole time so it’s not hard to see why not what like draft experts say who’s number one I can’t tell richar is a bum but Rich say not a bum that dude can really atast at least at least the athletic C the the the athletic CBS Sports they said that L and I sent I don’t think it sent the M but I was watching the documentary last night on EUR European basketball international basketball and they were showing one of Rich’s games from December and Landry and and Tony wrestler went over there to watching plan in December right the owner from the Spurs was there G Utah the GM for Chicago so is if he was a like what he think about about about player right hold on man I’m I’m rocking with you because he’s not a bum the dude SK I’m trying to tell y with outside of dribbling in the half court which you gotta think a guy like Jaylen Johnson could not do that either coming in now he was higher he’s more athletic he had a little bit higher of a floor there but he also do not teach a guy you can teach a guy to be good you can’t teach athleticism Jay but he is a free throw thr I don’t have I don’t have a good thing look I I don’t have my question my question my question to y’all my question take out the game just file that bomb and take him out the game file him at the three line listen man look at all the agents all the agents area at the small position Caleb Martin Paul George you mean to serious. anobi is the hter and he makes more let me tell you this report your boy okay Z they said his calves are stronger than his quads de that’s not even the Bigg do why do I have watch this watch this watch this watch this John John here’s my here’s my question here guy listen have you ever seen an athlete where the scou report said his calves are stronger than his quads that’s what I for hey hey that indication fo’s that sound like reverse pop see that with so bad we if a guy is guy is so bad if a guy a guy is so bad if a guy is such a bad Prospect how in how in the world do you get how in the world do you get seven owners and GMS and presidents to fly to Paris to watch him play if I got a question for did they fly hey Matt watch play a regular season game man watch points in right now he’s the only one how you said it bro three points and 13 when they flew over there they should have let Tony westler over there you know what I’mma put y’all on game I’mma put you on game Matt is afraid that Ona won’t be able to hack it against alexar he’s afraid you afraid hey remember this trying to get a job too right now everybody forgot about himot trying to get a job right now too you know what you know I’m I’m sure I’m sure Mo’s quad strong a numbers better than his what am I concerned about AO numbers better listen but this what else they got to do what else they got to do now you just said this now you said they got to take their guy regardless of what the radio says regardless of what the media says it doesn’t matter but the other thing that the Hawks have to do is build let’s keep it let’s keep it right the Hawks have to build de the problem that the Hawks have also had is we don’t have [ __ ] de I’m sorry the Falcons built built de even though the Braves are are struggling horribly right now but the past couple of years they’ve had death and that’s the reason why they’ve been able to win the Hawks need to take a page out of every winning franchise that’s in Atlanta and also that franchise that’s up there in Athens Georgia because Kirby Smart got a ton of talent behind each other so if somebody go oh man hold up you had your time your for a minute dog so all I’m saying is this bro you really have to build depth that’s the problem out we already gots that’s not problem but when the stars go down who’s going to step up and who’s going to do the Dirty Work you got to have guys behind your stars we have not had real debt let’s keep it real we wait wait wait minute now this is the problem in the front there’s good first round we can’t even pick good starting talent and the thing is we have you talking about Hulk’s DNA I wouldn’t like I told you before I wouldn’t go on with this DNA trying to find out who the father isna we missing we missing some but my but my thing is but my thing is I think we I think we’ve drafted pretty decent though I’m say man we can’t I think if this is my thing I’mma give Landry this this is Landry shot to really show what he’s got now see the difference between Landry and Terry fonso because fonso walked in into a jacked up situation just like Landry’s walked into I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry situation let me retract let me retract when I say walk into a bed I’m talking about in that spot right there but let me go ahead and say this think about it Terry had a chance to clean up the books in his first year get the Falcons out of cap Hill secondly he built a def defense holding the team together with bubble gum duct tape Gorilla Glue and paper clips and and damn um what do we call what do we call him or what not toothpicks he was holding the team together with that the defense was literally a top 10 D in the league and number one in Red Zone he built from he pretty much had to build from the inside up with free agents and different things with limited money now what’s the Hawk’s problem with money why don’t why do they don’t why do they not want to spend over the luxury tax you got the money why not spend it you have a chance to stop sh a minute I want you to back me on this but I want I want RJ to back me on for the parking garage it’s the chicken of the EG it’s the chicken parking gar here’s my thing the parking garage gonna Remain the ghost town if we ain’t [ __ ] winning so my question but it’s not the the the arena sold out every night no it’s sold out cuz they want to go to the club and get a haircut they partying in there dog G no they gotta bring Jay Jay they gotta bring attractions into that ARA wait wait wait Ryan hey who what’s the other arena with a Barber’s aren with bar we the only ones we the only then he look at his then he look at the Players then he evaluate Ryan then Terry look at the Players he evaluated the players he made his own board he the fitting of that pi said eort media think but here’s the thing Terry’s first year talk about this no this year he actually had control the past few years he didn’t have control because Rich McCay was in control of a lot of stuff and they finally relinquished that now now that they’re letting the guy who built the come in we got our own we got our own I got that I got that exactly I’m saying no well Ryan Ryan I’m talking Ryan I’m talking about the fact that the media consensus night and day the day of the draft five weeks before the draft an hour before the draft was that the Falcons was gonna take Dallas Turner everybody thought they was gonna take Dallas it was either it it was two players that they had they had Dallas Turner going I’m gonna trust my own I’m GNA trust my own evaluation and I’mma pick who I yeah yeah I’m saying yeah yeah so it was it wasn’t it wasn’t the fact that trusted that no that wasn’t the reason why he did that mat that wasn’t the reason why he did that the reason he did it was because when he first walked in he wanted a quarterback they didn’t give him that that was the reason why they ended up going tight end with Kyle Pitts and then they ended up going Drake London but that was all Arthur Smith this is what happens when you don’t let a general manager do his job now that you see that he’s been able to actually acclimate himself to do his job we took a quarterback that’s the reason why now the question is this Landry has a chance to really do something right now he’s got a chance to where nobody’s holding him by the neck nobody got a gun to him the question is is he gonna pull a trigger to bring in either SAR or at least if not him if not him because I see you your face scrunching up like a cat sucking on lemons I already see that all I’m saying is the other thing you can do is bring in somebody else if you don’t get that seven foot one athletic guy that we all say we need but if he goes to get somebody bring somebody else in that could actually benefit this team and start a me Ryan he said that Matt said know said Matt said go get Andre Drummond no I I agree ran ran that’s not Ryan like I like I earlier because uh your owner but Ryan like I said got talked out of Luca Donkey by uh Mark so the general manager the general manager is being hamstr by the owner even now because he did that to he did that to a GM that had just won a championship they backo that GM eased him out of the way and then they put these milk drinking kids in charge of running an NBA franchise where they had absolutely no experience you don’t take these people to the used car lot and let them go buy a car by themselves they’ll get screwed every time because they don’t know I just really want to ask a question what do yall think on offense is Alex s’s NBA again I I have said this numerous of times jug we don’t need it we got offense the Hawks got offense you got offense you don’t need got we don’t have offense we do not right this is the problem is coming matter who’s playing point guard and that can’t continue offensive you don’t need aite offensive production from that Center position right now if he can just come in and anchor that defense bro that’s elevating the team that’s elevating the team already RJ why would they have but RJ RJ why would they have concerns about his offense RJ what do you mean concerns about R’s offense too man they’re talking about Rich’s offense you saw it yourself 10 points 25 minutes talking I’m talking about the H I’m talking about the hwks but you what why would you you wouldn’t need Rees to say day one to create his own shot you why would the Haw you’re not you’re notar have concern not they knew he was just going to be a roller bro J I don’t think you guys understand that in the NBL they don’t run pick and like he’s not a good pick and roll player and y’all talk about the defense of him being able to switch and guard the Hawks aren’t a defens of switching scheme like that’s not that’s not what they’re never going to be a and see where the to explain that to them have Trey Young on defense what do teams do when they see Trey Young on defense they try to force the [ __ ] switch so therefore you are a switching team whether you want to be or not you gotta switch no GNA we don’t we don’t they avoid it pretty well they don’t avoid it well which is why we when we went to the Conference Finals whether it’s the whether what I’m saying is whether it’s the scheme or not if you’re horrible at getting around screens what do you have to do if you can’t get around it run through it you switch therefore or not you’re swiching Dar if I’m Dar I’m guard if I’m getting the can guard ones and twos and twos I’m not worried about I haven’t seen this dude guard no one and two have you have have you seen him play I se I know what I have seen I seen I’ve seen a season two points per game that’s what I seen three points and I need to pull that back up again for you so you can look at that hey gang wait wait wait wait so so mat we gotta end the show man unless you gonna keep it you gonna keep it going man you hear me mat You Gonna Keep the show going okay well listen up gang hey I’m up out of here Matt Matt gonna hold it down man salute to everybody who tapped in I’m up out of here y’all know I’m going right back uh shout out to everybody who tapped in Jay tapping in for the first time salute and salute to the homeboy Ron who tapped in for the first time appreciate that appreciate for everybody who’s tapped in who come on the panel Matt Daren John RJ Maran Ryan Koolaid ticket whoever I’m forgetting hope I ain’t forget nobody make sure y’all hit that like button man and uh Matt Gonna Keep the show going and I’ll catch it with y’all later man I’m out guys all all right go SAR SAR one I would be mad I just don’t so so so so RJ RJ and Darren would y’all take Von Vagner on the on on the Hawks as a wing option if he was available said fron from FR I would definitely say FR FR vogner I like BR I like not more than are his number his number his numbers his last two years his numbers his last two years his numbers his last two years in Euro League match uh orish say’s numbers his last two years in Euro league their numbers over if you would take if you would if you would take Vagner you would take arish so my thing is with with SAR like we don’t need we don’t need SAR like he’s a luxury we don’t need him we need a wing Defender hold on he mat now here’s the thing if we don’t take s I’m G give you a guy who I would take who also has great offensive production and he can also be a great Wing Defender as well and he proved that in the tournament give me Harrison Ingram out of North Carolina 12 game eight rebounds a game two assists a game and he’s 43% from the field from the field and he knows how to create his own shot 6 foot7 235 240 pounds bro that is a guy that I would take if if you don’t take SAR if you you’re talking about drafting a wing I would take him as a wing because guess what he got that attitude that we’ve been lacking for a minute he got that ninja type attitude I mean I’ll have to look I have to look for me I’m just him I’m completely against taking a wing that can’t create their own [ __ ] shot it makes no DeAndre cuse DeAndre can’t do it but but Darren Dar Darren he can’t how many Darren how many games did you watch are you talking about highlight how many games did you watch I’ve watched a couple Matt he’s a spot up shooter he gets most of his points from spot up he’s no he doesn’t he’s a good yes he does bro do not excent in he’s excellent in transition he moves well SAR 71 excellent in transition no when you no but when you watch it Darren when you watch the full game if he’s how often is he gonna be able to a lot of times he’s not active he’s not in the plate if he’s not directly getting he’s standing to the side he’s not active in the play he doesn’t rebound he doesn’t crash down like JJ go down there and sky for the rebound he doesn’t do that he if he’s not directly in the play he’s not very I like players like that I don’t like players that’s not that doesn’t do anything when they don’t have a ball in their hand but listen man the free agency pool for the small vast right now the free agency pool for the small forward propos is vast I’m talking about this is Elite Talent in free agency we’re not talking about dumpster diving for talent there’s a guys in free agency I think I think the problem with you guys is you only seeing forward he can play either two or the three like he he’s good at both he has the size he has he cannot no no no no he cannot play the two he cannot play is not love to play yes he can yes he already got you want another dude that turns it overon we have the fan base hav been clam foray thompon okay hold on so that’s a real real shot 40% I want to hear hold a minute I want to hear what John got to say about this John been sitting on this for a minute hold up man I want to hear what John gotta say about this because John been just sitting back he been smirking it’s it’s something over there that’s brewing and we already know John well enough to know he gonna start some trouble so John how do you feel about these names that have been thrown out so far outside of son rizen how do you feel about those about the other names that have been thrown out I look a lot of these people I don’t know too much about okay and my problem is I don’t want to mortgage the farm for any free agents I don’t want to throw good money out the bad with some of these free agents my thing is is that I’m looking at the junk we got on the bench as well as in the starting lineup I don’t need uh people that can uh uh what what was it what was it phrase you guys were using uh uh about people who can create their own shot that’s I like creating their own shot but I hate these folk that can create their own file and that’s Hunter he’s the best create your own file player in the league and and not giving you anything else back that’s a piece of junk that got to go Clint capella got to go boie bogdanovic got to go okay you know you you know you say that loud enough about bie chy going to come in here and find no no here’s my thing about Hunter though you guys get on him but a lot of the play the thing about bogy is that but the problem is here’s the thing you talking about money we need damn wins I’ll pay for somebody that’s gonna help us win let me let me ask let me ask have any would you rather pay would you rather pay $40 million to Michael Porter Jr to play your small forward or would you rather give DeAndre 122 because you ask me a question you want me to you want do you want me to do you want me to answer you gonna be like man and answer answer answer that I want the guy I want the gentleman the player regardless of price who’s going to help us win games I don’t give a damn about the price because guess what you have to pay you have to pay to win it’s what it is dog thank you that is right there bro you have to spend money to win you you can’t sit back and say sit back and say I don’t really want to spend no money bro listen if you have a chance to get Paul George I don’t care what if I can pay him I’mma pay him to do what what are we talking about the question you spend the money for talent bro question not an eye when they say jayen brown they said jayen Brown ask question clear the book to get George right you’re gonna have to talk you’re gonna have to part away to get Paul George he’s gonna command something around 35 to 40 minut don’t care don’t care about that right you have to trade two guys and basically get nothing back to clear that money I got a question for you are you you know what zero Time Zero is zero so those with zero with us are you closer to are you GNA be closer to winning with a Paul George on the roster and like a a a a third a a big man the quality of Bruno Fernando as your backup with nothing else behind it because you gave all the money to Paul George you had to trade guys to clear the books are you any closer to winning with him on the roster we don’t even spend over the lecture tax in the first place injes Jay we don’t spend over the luxury tax first and foremost so we don’t spend money secondly are you in I want to ask you this are you in the business of winning games of being entertained that’s my question because wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute I I’m GNA finish this question because I asked because here’s the thing I asked the same thing on my podcast and John to tell you that because I said hands down are you in the business of being entertained or you in the business of being entertained by winning because there’s a difference you can be entertained by a damn monkey At The Zoo by playing horns and shaking Bells now you could easily easily easily go and spend money and bring guys in here that’s actually going to help you win and get to the playoffs and get through the playoffs we have not spent money we’ve been trying to sit here and spend Pennies on the dollar man that’s the problem we got a cheap ass organization it what I say to you this what I say to you is I’m right you right they have they have tried to save Pennies on the dollar when they traded Kevin herder when they got into jeante when they moveed John Collins for effectively nothing but they got lightning in the bottle on Jaylen Johnson right the problem was they didn’t try to find a true forward behind those guys so you had a three forward rotation of Hunter Jaylen Johnson and sadique Bay so if Hunter give you I’m was we wasted money on WE Wast money on AJ G what I’m saying here what I’m saying if Jaylen Johnson goes down in the year who’s replacing who’s playing behind Jaylen Johnson who you got to start again you got out he’s out com hear what I’m saying hear what I’m saying they had three forwards on the entire roster last year if one of those guys goes down now you have to start the other guy and if two of those three guys go down you have absolutely nothing that was the bigger problem to the Hawks than a talent problem you had another example right examples there’s a pretty big followup a fall off in Talent between a Bruno Fernando and Ana conu we could all agree to that right we could all agree to that saying here what I’m saying if Clint or Ana gets hurt right who now has to play real minutes on the Hawks a guy like Bruno Fernando like that that’s that’s the that’s the problem that’s more of the problem like if you you I I could see the the Lord assar if he hits on his top 1% outcome that’s a jiren Jackson level player if it’s the floor you’re looking at Nick Clon which that’s a guy that you can easily find when you’re really thinking about it like and G you better numbers now no you just mentioned something now you just mentioned something you mentioned death we drafted AJ Griffin hoping that this dude was gonna be something nice this dude literally is as bad as fried buzzard meat three days old that’s how bad this dude is let’s keep it a buck bro and all I’m saying is if you gonna sit there and spend money you go get play you actually get a scouting Department who can actually look at Talent really look at Talent this was the problem that the Falcons had and I said this long wait a minute said the fal had the same problem and the hwks got that bro the Hawks have a problem you don’t have anybody in that office that understands how to scout talent that comes from having experience I don’t think I agree with that I don’t think I agree with that you don’t have to agree with it the results of the team show you talk about AJ Ryan when when when Landry Fields took over right he fired four Scouts five Scouts he replaced all of them that takes time so this front office has only The Scouting department has only been in place for like 12 months and you look at last year’s draft it’s a pretty pretty damn draft problem before he was was he was he here’s the question was he not a part of that scouting Department as well before he got promoted yes or no thank you or no EXC no but either yes come on no but but RJ but RJ but but I mean but Ryan but Ryan if you go back when around the time we got slank left or got whatever happened and Tra I mean Landry took over the Articles everything the report the the noise was they had they had numerous disagreements about the roster Landry and Travis had numerous disagree one of them was AJ Griffin problem AJ is that bad I just think it’s a defensive problem for AJ and Coach doesn’t like his defense I think shooting the ball AJ is I got now we speaking on we were talking about the lack of forwards right the lack of small forwards you know biggest reason why we didn’t have the a lack of smart we had a lack of smallart for because the ownership didn’t want to pay the money they could have paid VI CR to back up to have him in that small forward they could have paid some other guys to have out there but the ownership did not what did they trade hey what did they trade Kevin hder for I forget one of the sports that we got rid of my only RJ my problem with that is if you look at Dallas right I always say Atlanta spends the money they just spend it on the wrong dudes if you look at Dallas right everybody who allk who all Hawk fans are feing over Dallas right d Dallas payroll is only five to seven million dollar more than the Hawks so I think they and I think and they have and they have but here’s the thing they have more competent people in their front office that’s the difference that’s a fact so so hold up so wait a minute no I’m G get back to my point because I gotta answer Matt’s question Matt asked me a question a while ago before we got derail answer that for you let go after you here’s the problem that you that you did that you wanted to talk about you’re like oh well Landry fired all these guys and this happened it’s only here’s my thing Landry was originally a part of the group that he was with originally let’s get that straight he was with those guys the ones that he fired the problem is this when you have experienced people that understand how to draft you don’t fire them if they’re not if they’re not if they’re bringing in people this is what you do you might you see who the two best are out of that situation because it was four people he fired you take the two best out of that situation that have the most experience that actually understand not only the game but how to understand how to evaluate players and then you bring in whatever staff you want because here’s the thing if you ever look at it look at and I’m and I’m I keep referring back to the Falcons because they understood it they understood the mission you brought in a new general manager with Terry Fontano you brought in guys that were up under him that had experience that were still kind of helping him out and he was leaning on the Hawks have not done that with Landry the thing was it should have been told to him hey you’re gonna keep the two best Scouts that we have here and the two best talent evaluators you bring whatever else you want in here but we’re going to have to keep some experience in here and I need you and here’s the thing I’m not going to ask you you’re going to lean on these guys and see what their experience is like it’s a difference you have to be able to be Stern in that situation where you’re trying to turn around an organization with a young general manager because he’s gonna make mistakes yes but at the same time if you can limit some of the mistakes that he makes by bringing experience in to help him to make him better and be the guy that you believe Landry can be that that right there makes a difference but right now he’s pretty much a fish out of water with no no experience with him dog period that’s all I got let me get this in real quick real quick let me get this in with real quick I made a list I’mma read it off it’s our draft picks since we drafted trade listen to this Kevin hder gone cam reddish gone DeAndre Hunter AJ tyes JJ you miss londy I missed a couple I missed a couple not yet London now we got all of these players that are around 67 68 that I just called off yeah and y’all are suggesting that we go out and get another 68 194 pounds small forward shooting guard yes my question when have we ever drafted a big man here’s my here here’s my here’s my thing here’s my com out the disclosure full disclosure I don’t think that the hearts can go wrong with taking one of either re clinging or SAR I think that for me I am looking for guys that have high floors that I know can help me now that are going to be good NBA players for me that I can control for the next four to 10 Seasons That’s what I’m personally looking for if it’s SAR is obviously the most attractive upside guy but he also has the lowest floor his floor is truly not an NBA player player whereas Clingan and Reet I know re can be a solid 3 and D Wing I know that’s his Baseline gonna ask this question let me ask this question what is the turnaround time for this team at at pres what’s the turnaround time we looking at well that that depends on if on if the upper management is Gonna Keep Trey or not because if the turn around if they’re keeping Trey then it’s now it’s you don’t regardless hold on hold on regardless of whether you keep Trey or not there is no scenario you know looking at what we got right now okay looking at what we got right now even if you get whoever for your first round pick you’re not turning this around in a year you’re not turning this around you’re not trying to turn it around in a year what what you have to do you cannot have another playing season the Hawks the Hawks next year success in Trey Young’s mind is going to be are in the playoffs did they get to the second around the first or second round because here’s the reality Trey Young’s last year on the Hawks the last year that we really have is next year is this upcoming season because after that after that you go into his final year 2025 2026 uh the next year after that is a player option so if you if you can’t make it work with Trey NE this time next year and he wants out you have to trade him because you know the upcoming season after that you’re you’re gonna getting Pennies on the dollar so your offseason start year early so you have to get you have to be in play what theck are doing next well you might you might need to let him go now because thing is that this no no scenario that you can put together is gonna put the hwks at even fifth no I don’t agree with that I don’t agree with that I don’t agree with that I don’t agree with that two conference is very flat it’s the Boston Celtics who are Head and Shoulders above all the other conference and everybody else is around the same it just comes down to injuries between who finishes second to 10th com down no no I can’t that’s all it because look the started I think people have a hard time remember this the hawk started the year 12 and four when everybody was was healthy everything was working then the injury started and they went on SL and never recovered so we were eight and five I think we were eight and five I don’t think we’re 12 like we were right there before all the injuries started like it’s not hard to get into the Eastern Conference is so flat it’s so back the Celtics are gonna probably win East again next year that might be true however you got Indiana which is on the come up you’re not you’re not that far off from Indiana Indiana is gonna be Indiana is going to be limited H this offseason to just resigning Pascal seak that is their move they got to give him I hope not because Pascal seak disappeared it doesn’t matter they they made disapp they went number talk about getting Pascal seak and mortgaging the whole team to go get a pascal seak want to spend money on the wrong guys [Music] it works look like a right so here man you you you have to pay the play bro you have to sometimes you may have to give up a little bit more to get what you want but see my thing is just with the Hawks as an organization they don’t have a vision of what they want this team to look like we’re talking what we’re talking about is our vision of what we want the team to look like the Hawks don’t have vision of where they want this team to go because I’m talking about drafting SAR I’m talking about building around my star point guard and Trey young I believe if you go with a richet I think you need to move off of Trey young and let de jonte Murray take point and you start I’ll go further go furthere RJ RJ here RJ here’s my thing here’s my thing this answer Erin’s question too about the about the wings why do we need another Wing So when Landry took over part of part part of part of reorganizing the scouting Department was they changed the grber they changed how they graded players so the failed draft of AJ Griffin over T een once he got rid of those Scouts and got in the people he hired that mistake is gonna happen again we’re not going to draft AJ Griffin over t e so my thing is with uh Landry and his crew scouting the players last season was a good draft universally was a good draft this year if they have rich in my opinion I believe rich aay and SAR are very close I’m going with Rich aay because I think he’s a better scheme fit offensively I think he’s a better fit and he has I trust I trust his floor I don’t know what SAR Flor is he has so many things to develop I’m not confident even Quinn scouting I mean even Quinn’s coaching staff can develop five or six reliable skills with say I know he got two skills for sure he got definitely gonna have to play in college part next produ he’s not what we’re saying to you is his floor his floor is already rotation players I know today he can come in the NBA right now and play I Can Fly him to Atlanta and play him tomorrow I know exactly what he’s gonna you can play Chances are the chances are what reach Shay is now is what he’s gonna be later on at his body you what I see to get better this is what I this is what I Envision with Zack richer Shay man I see DeAndre Hunter all over again we’re hoping he will develop into this we hope he develops this particular skill set we’re still waiting on DeAndre Hunter to become this defensive stopper and let me explain something to everybody when people talk about Dre they act like Dre never had a big game with Trey young Dre has had big games with Trey young but Dre is just too inconsistent that’s the same thing I see with Z say the inconsistency no but see here’s the thing with DeAndre Hunter I think a lot of his inconsistencies are traced to his injuries because when he gets back and he gets in his Groove he runs off three four games of scoring 17 to 20 points a night and then he gets hurt and then he has to come back in and refine his rhythm and he’s just not good I think the problem with Hunter is more injuries than it is consistency he is a solid defensive player and I don’t think you guys understand that it’s not you can’t find too many good defensive wings that also are going to go down on the other end shoot 38% from the three I like for him to rebound more but you’re you have to figure guys that are true upgrades over him are your Brandon Ingram players if you go out and get that fine but like this notion of go out and get OJ anobi is is silly they’re the same guy they’re literally the exact same player same injury concerns everything and OG is gonna cost $30 million and dandre Hunter cost 20 and I’d rather keep that kind of big Wing next to next to Jaylen Johnson because I know that works defensively and I’m just trying to look for another guy that’s around their height that can work and play defense and knock down shots next to Trey Young when we were at our best with Trey it was double drags heavy pick and roll two big sets I know I can get that from Jaylen Johnson I’m looking for a big five that’s why kinging makes a lot of sense for how we play he’s gonna set hard screens he’s gonna be a hard roller he’s good in the short roll and he’s developing a solid reliable three-point shot he’s gonna eat all the boards like I’m just curious y’all really believe Z richet can really play alongside Jaylen Johnson because I really don’t see him I think when I look at gonna had a ball in his hands and he’s an elite passer so he can find see people want try to play off the ball but I’m like nobody else on the Hawks besides Jaylen johnon can actually get Trey young the ball I don’t think y’all understand I love I love the jonay Murray but as a passer he leaves a lot to be desired like he can make simple basic reads but he’s not making the crosscourt like when you look at Jaylen Johnson when he has the ball you’re you go watch his highlights next to Trey young Trey is actually running off screens because he knows Jaylen Johnson can find him with the ball when the ball let me ask you that this do y’all really trust Rich Rich’s handle do y’all trust his handle because his turnover that’s the thing he doesn’t have to handle the ball right away all he has to do is shoot off movement run off screens attack on close outs and in the open floor I think he has a decent enough handle he processes the I’m looking at these guys I’m looking at how fast can you read the game and when I see his highlights he’s processing and making passes like he’s a very good connecting piece he is seeing a lot of things in the game very fast when Bama himself was saying when they’re in practices when he was playing on the national team with him and that’s the other part he’s 18 19 years old he’s going to be on the Olympic team for friend and that’s a really good team like this guy his floor level is really good if he never develops into something that’s he has Wayne like you know RJ and you could tell he had high IQ but how well he moves off the ball like if you watch talk his dad was a national team French Basketball Hall of Fame his dad his dad a Hall of Fame in France he sees the game very well I don’t think y like y’all looking at Raw highlights and talent but like look at actually RJ I I’ll put in private private chat RJ for you to watch like 20 minute segments of the entire game like forget the numbers nobody cares what 18y old do in Europe he’s always moving he’s always he’s always cutting he’s always moving he knows when to find the scenes and how to attack angles off ball that’s very important my does attack right and like I I don’t know if y’all remember whenever John Collins would try to cook how he would just randomly lose the ball or fall there are times when he does that but I think the biggest issue on why that is for him is a strength problem because he’s not enough yet somebody look at Jaylen Johnson Jaylen Johnson trust his handle when he’s attacking the basket right but jayen Johnson’s handle in in and re handle coming into a league are not it’s it’s way easier for me to get you a passable handle he’s not going to have a flashy super in between the legs step back only dude that let me ask this when R’s three ball is not falling because every every shooter goes through cold stretches right yes when his three ball is not falling and he has to get in the lane y’all believe he can get in the lane because I I don’t see that yes I will trust I will trust a 69ine 610 guy in shoes that is a good slasher he’s already sh I think when you go and really watch Ray you will be very shock on how athletic he is especially jumping off two feet like he is pretty he is pretty bouncy is he J that’s the thing for me because when you look at when you look at the three the two and the one when you look at those particular positions you have to realize when that three ball is not falling you have to have that athleticism like a Trey young like a Jaylen Johnson Murray he not so much because he does the uh he does the pullup you have to be able to get in that lane attack the lane and and lay the ball up rich sh I haven’t seen one highlight with him doing that but but but you got to go that’s a Telltale sign that you have been watching I’m telling you when you watch him you’ll see him he slashes a lot he duns a lot when you I’ll put it I’ll put in private chat RJ you gotta RJ you gotta watch you gotta you gotta watch the whole you gotta I put it I’ll s it you got to watch the whole 20 30 minute clip of the whole game and you will see how well he moves off ball now it’s not in the Highlight cups or whatever but like you will see his finishing left hand right hand good he the game the like it’s it’s it’s it’s pretty spectacular at his age what he’s able to I finishing I know he can be in the league like if if nothing else I know I’m getting a very solid three and D Wing at 69 that’s that is hard his defense his defense also is is pretty good he like def he literally guards one through three when he gets stronger he should be able to guard fors and I know he can play next to Jaylen Johnson I know he can play next to DeAndre Hunter I know he can play next to either one of the two-point guards that I that you pick and I know that just like you guys are saying what the Hawks are best at what Quinn wants to do is he wants a drop coverage Rim running type big you can find those guys for 10 million5 million like you’re talking about Mitchell Robinson level guys Daniel gaff like those are the guys that fit the scheme of what Quinn Snider has always ran none of his teams not even in Utah were heavy switching teams that’s not what he does so a guy like SAR is really redundant and I don’t think he’s a five I think he’s a four and I don’t think Jaylen Johnson is a three I think Jaylen Johnson’s a four and I don’t think those two guys can really play together if sar’s not a five that’s the bigger that’s the big concern to me is like SAR is a dude that’s like for to play with Trey you have to be able to play in The Pick and Ro he’s light he’s he’s slight of frame he’s not going to be able to generate that much cleanup so if I really wanted to Big at number one I would just go cleaning because I know next to Trey young and he don’t finish well through he contct I don’t understand okay I don’t understand why you guys get to project for Ray for what he can be but we can’t project for what SAR can be you’re right re we said if all else fails with re R he never gets better he’s a he’s gonna be a very solid three and D Wing that’s his floor very good shooter very good shooter he’s gonna be a phenomenal guy today that can get 20 minutes in the league today was s a big part of his game on whether or not he hits his his potential or if he’s really a solid player anything more than just a bench player or even an NBA player at all revolves around his ability to actually play in the pick and roll pick up weight rebound and shoot like he has a lot of things he has to work on and again I disagree with that what is his NBA level skill today like what is it like his defense what do you mean he’s you can’t for a team like us right that’s gonna play in a drop are you gonna okay with that but listen here’s my thing the Hawks desperately need another Center you can’t just go into the uh into the season with old Clint capella War well I’m not going to say old warn down Clint capella on yeka and and uh the other guy I can’t even remember his name right now but Bruno yeah Bruno Fernando you you cannot go into the season but RJ why you can’t just get I’m saying is whatever I have to do whether I say this why I said if it’s me if it’s me and I can if I can trade back in with the Spurs or if I could trade back in with the Rockets what I would personally do is I would take clinging at one and I’ll be trying to trade back in at three but you have to be you have to have a trade part though like that’s I’m saying now now you have to look at what do the Hawks actually have you know they have to pick a guard you know they have to pick a guard and you know that both the the Rockets and the Spurs want a guard and that’s why they keep coming up in trade rumors but they’re talking about the wrong guard they’re talking about getting trade so if you’re gonna decide on Trey as the Hawks you have to flip Murray to to Houston and see what you can get for Sally fer in the number three pick and go get clinging but if I’m going to take a big man I not going to reach on SAR at one like that is a huge upside bet and gamble where I know like the floor level of what these guys are today with with uh kinging and Reet is they are already NBA players They’re Not Gon to get to the league and suddenly become worse that’s not this is not how better either stay mediocre there’s no guarantee okay but ask what’s the point but okay but what you have to ask yourself is right if these guys can improve right so you’re talking about if kingan can develop a reliable shot or if he keeps if he do you you have develop or Clingan developing the shot mind youing can’t make a shot unless he unless he’s 15 feet away from the basket no shot a couple threes he shot a couple threes at Yukon and it looked clean coming out of his hands and they were switches and I don’t see anything mechanically wrong with clinging shot I think it looks good I think his free throw percentage was just a conditioning thing more than anything and the rumors coming out of he’s he’s really crushing in these workouts and as he went from 280 to now 270 he’s moving better the more he drops his weights so if he if you get clinging I think he at the compound he was like 270 275 you can get him into that 265 270 range that’s a really good player like you’re talking about a guy that’s protecting the rim like Brook Lopez and if you can get a shot on him that’s that’s that’s like chef’s kiss but if you can’t what he is in the short rle and how he is hard rolling next to Trey is a lot better of a fit than what you get from alexar a lot of the Allure alexar is him cooking one-on-one against play and him making a variety of shots but like again defense but tell me tell me what is different from Alex sar’s defense Right alexar Moves is so [ __ ] okay but but here what I’m saying like when you look at when moay finally got help and he actually play tell me what you see different defensively not a center well he he doesn’t even have a chance to be aent CER at least alexar has a chance to be that Alex could he could be a center at 611 if he got it’s the same thing Mo G Mo G let me say this about Mo G he’s not built to play A Center thank you Mo he’s not center right but you’re talking about 71 2 22040 listen you would need him to get a 240 and he would him to develop an ability to really ringbound the ball and bang in the paint with NBA siiz bodies and the bodies that are coming into the league are starting to get bigger I don’t know if y’all peeping this like the small ball era is dying centers like Ona kangu now are wasted draft picks because teams are starting to bring back the big boy the Daniel Gaffers the Derek livelies those are the guys that alexar is going to have to bang with going forward Evan moley might get moved to five Anthony Davis might get moved to five so again with Evan Moy so I’m not worried about Evan Moy okay but that’s I don’t think the floor for Alex SAR is truly not an NBA player at all that’s not when you look at cing and Zack re the floor for them is not like you know they’re G to be solid NBA players whether reason say is a rotation piece or a high level starter or Allstar he can get there that in the NBA you don’t actually know my thing with s when I watch him play and like I said I don’t watch like highlights I watch like the full game Clips like 20 minute 30 a great on S you you’ll see what when I watch when I when I watch SAR I don’t see like the the Highlight stuff isn’t really in games and one and two a lot of those highlights are made up of the same games either the two exhibition games or the preseason games over with per they weren’t in the real like playoffs or the real 25 games he played in the regular season so my thing is like when I watch him play I don’t see a lot of things that’s going to translate to the NBA immediately there’s a really video of him like he he struggles with he talk about his handle like he struggles catching the ball he struggles catching the ball he that well yeah a lot that’s where a lot of his turnovers come as when he trying to create he travels he doubles he he he carries yeah but that’s when he trying to self create but even simp stuff like going up on a catch he fumbles the ball or when he does move back door and they throw it to him he’s under 60% on layups so it’s like the functional stuff that I need him to do he’s he’s La he doesn’t set proper screens defensively you talk about switching a lot of times is chasing recover he recovers and blocks the shot but if you look at his feet his technique is off is wrong so like he really SAR really is a winning player that just grew to S1 but at some point you have to at least show me that you can do the things that like I think there’s times where I watch him and he hits the flip shots and I think the touch is there but a lot of times I when I’m watching him like it’s not the the shot is it looks okay but it’s a lot of long misses from up close like it’s a lot of hard bricks and what Reesa said even when his form and his mechanics break down this dude’s touch is so buttery that the ball still is going in like they broke it down with him where his feet were too close together like he he just he he was falling away but the touch with Reet is real like that’s there’s nothing theoretical about that I’ve seen Dar I said Darren I said the other day like I went back and looked even from you 17 I watched from U 17 all the way up through now with r sh and I said like he’s going to be an elite shooter at the next level like you could just see it like the way he shoots the way his like his feet it’s like picture s how motion it really it’s it’s beautiful it’s nice I the handle I think the handle is better than what people say right like ese his finishes around the rim I think are are pretty crafty um like the in between game he has one Sor that’s another thing SAR doesn’t have he doesn’t have an in between game like he has to fade away right and like but he doesn’t really have a hook he doesn’t really have a floater um like he he doesn’t use glass like with s I just I just dropped off possession video of Alex s of all of his games all of his possessions from all of his games at Perth and you’ll be shocked like in the game he’s not he’s not really doing what you think he’s doing and when you go look at the game logs y’all talked about him playing Seven about re sh playing 17 minutes and getting three points Alex SAR had games where he play 18 minutes and scored like five eight like to protect the rim but again you can find I would rather have he play there was one game he played 22 minutes and he had three points fundamental difference I think we have a fundamental difference of how we like the draft like I think I you you’re saying take the take the upside pick but I’m always always gonna take the upside always well well we’re I what we’re saying about reee right is I don’t think his upside is that far away from SARS because what say if you you get ATT off the close out he’s a really that’s a you’re talking I I don’t I hear he’s a win I don’t personally see him as a three I think that’s a natural indication I think he’s more of a shooting guard on the wing I think you’ll play him at the two in your back court and you’ll trust that over time his handle will get there like Jaylen Johnson’s not the most fluid Twitchy guy flashy guy with the ball in his hands but his handle is fine and if I’m baking on one gu okay his hand okay his hand he had to develop it wasn’t good when he came in he had to had to develop it what I was saying was if we get if we get that I’m not I don’t think that I said I look at I look at Jaylen Johnson’s handle and I look at Zachary Reese’s handle and I say okay coming into a league they’re about the same they’re about the same and what I’m looking at what Jaylen Johnson is able to do at his size and his and how he moves his handle is perfectly fine so at SAR when I look at him he’s not he’s not as athletic as Jaylen Johnson but in terms of shooting the ball and playing in the half court he’s a lot better at that stage than Jaylen Johnson was so if I can just get him to Jaylen Johnson Level handle at 69ine I know I could put him on at the two or the three I could put three Wings three Wings next to this man because let’s be real like Jaylen Johnson is a fourman but he he’s a wing siiz kind of player he’s just really he’s kind of really big he’s he’s that twer right he’s that oversized three that is now fourman in in today’s game you can play you can play two of those dudes you can play a hunter in that with Reet and have Trey young and it doesn’t really matter who your big is your big can be a guy that’s blocking shots and just gobbling up boards like I mean you you I was saying earlier you could you could Darren you could still for me you could still get Brandon Ingram like I think you brandram I would still get Brandon Ingram at the three jayen at the four and at the five I would run that for me I think where my mind is it’s easier and I think you guys are opposite for me it’s easier to get a wing right because okay well I wings like wings wings in the league can be can like you can get a Dorian infiny Smith I love to see the Hawks try to do that but like what what I’m looking at in the draft is what is the harder skill for players to develop I see guys come into League all the time and their handles not really that good and I see them every year develop handles I see guys improve their handles all the time in the NBA what I don’t see all the time is guys actually develop reliable jump shots that’s like some get in there and really stroke the stroke the ball or learn how to shoot it some guys do it but there is a lawn for every one guy that you find that got into the league that had a shaky jumper that managed to put it together it’s another five of them that didn’t and his wing players all the time that come in in the draft that they say oh if X-Wing player could just shoot the ball they’d be really good and they all bust we Isaac aoro is Isaac a Coro is the latest example but like there the r is litter of wing players that are in big men that if you if they could just shoot if the shooting was a swing skill for them like do I think Alex AR can be solid in the league yeah but like we got to be real the risk with him is he’s truly not an NBA player and if if if he doesn’t come into it like that like you might be able to get a ni Clon level player out of him but think about it are you okay with drafting a guy who ends up being Nick Clon and number one overall it’s the same problem either either way cause I gotta go I gota I gotta I just check back drafting of Rish I don’t mind it I would just rather I would just rather draft SAR because he’s more I think his upside and his ceiling is just way more unique it is I agree with that I think his ceiling is high is the highest he feels like the most traditional number one that you can possibly get but like I said I don’t think the hearts can go wrong with Rec let me ask you this could I ask a question can I ask a question is is Richard Shay LeBron James no okay so so why are we making a big deal about drafting no I’m no I mean no I I won’t say making a big D I’m saying we were we were differentiating between him and SAR and for me I think the upside for him and S is not that different talking talking about kid is a special shooter like I mean but arish is the better F even if you want to go better no no you know he don’t fit we got we got so many we got so many players we got so many players already on the team and with potential trade to fill that spot and we also have we also huh my is though you can make that same case about the center position no no no no you can’t no you can’t not not with a four five not with a look look we have to build this team to be able to compete to beat the Celtics CU that’s the team the beat to get to the championship well that’s not going to happen I’m just going you don’t believe I do believe I do believe I do believe you got three seasons I believe I believe we can get to a championship listen what I’m saying I do but not not why Boston is still Boston has Boston is Boston B I know Boston got is the organization that got 17 championships and they do the right thing all the time to win championships okay I get that but in order to beat the man you have to build your team to beat the man and in order to do that you have to have athletic guys that’s going and we need a stretch big that gonna be able to go out and can defend five four three two and one and that is what SAR can do he can Rich say oh yes he can I seen I don’t know what I don’t know what what y’all been looking at but I’ve been looking at it I have seen think if we put I I have seen I have seen SAR shoot three pointers I have seen anybody can sh open three okay but that’s what he’s supposed to do when Trey set him up for the open three pointer that’s what he’s supposed to do but he’s not gonna make them how you how you gonna say he’s not gonna make made he’s never he I saw him I saw him make I saw him make three three pointers in a game against against the G against against uh ignite that’s one game Koolaid that’s one game I look listen again I saw him play listen list I saw him playing horse with his brother and he hit he beat his bristen you knocking down threes and workouts right now look look what I’m saying I’m saying but is not a Clingan is not athletic he is a you know you know you know the Clingan has a better chance that being a pro in the NBA no CL cling kinger is a lug man he is but that’s the he a lug that he cannot he cannot move he cannot move fast enough to get out on the perimeter to defend the perimeter he was a lug lugs have I think he’ll struggle with that initially but that’s body position no no no look let me tell you something the NBA has changed I listen to all the NBA guys talk man it’s three points it’s three-pointers and in bro three point shots and in cuz they they analytics says that three points is more than two I listen to all the so so what I’m saying Rich sh Rich Shay Richard Shay is weak he could play but he don’t fit we have other guys that already on we already got guys on the team that has the possibility to feel that plus a trade that can possibly build that with a better trade there’s no other Le but if we final five guess what if we final five we have a final five that gonna play with SAR noar no no you don’t have no versatility with Richard Shay no versatility I don’t you he can play two different no he cannot play nothing he don’t play he cannot play defense would get cooked he would get cook I’m send you some I’mma send you some recent shade some recent shade Clips on defense I looked at some Rec shade clips and I’m telling you he don’t F at defense he good I ain’t saying he not good but he don’t fit the Hawks team y’all still talking about that man we don’t want that dude man man I’m about to go yeah J tell you like now man it ain’t happening bro cause you keep talking about that stuff you say you’re a hwks fan man but but everybody who they not not looking to win now man you my Bo the three best guys are SAR Reay and kingan the hos get any one of those three guys I’m good I think I think SAR has more concerns and red flags in his game his floor is truly he’s not an NBA player because of the things he needs to come together and I don’t think he has a true NBA skill on offense that’s going to stick on defense I can see that makes zero sense how he zero sense you just said he don’t have NBA what come man see him say he don’t have an NBA skill when I’m looking at Z Zachary rushes say and he averaging two points a game he do average two he Aver listen in a tougher League do I need do I need to pull up his number so you can see it for yourself in the league hold up I’ll pull I’mma pull up his numbers Jay and I want you to explain how when you pull up his numbers you will see he averaged 11 he averaged 11 points and a French leag that was a lot comption I hate when I gotta do people like this man I cause you gotta here I like the idea tell I don’t think the go wrong I don’t think they let me tell you something man listen I’m F to pull this up and show you him averaging two points in the regular season in that same French league hold up since you don’t believe me I don’t know why people don’t believe me man people just think I just make just make up random stuff man hold up let me let me let me show this real quick before I uh 10 points three rebounds game hold up hold up hold up I’m about to show you right now my guy boom now let’s go over this I’m g go over this real quick because I already did it once you see this right here here you keep talking about these 10 points right this is his best year he gave you 10 points right right not even one assist he averaged more turnovers than assists he’s 10 forward he’s a below average free throw shooter 74 hold up the year before that two points in 12 17 was 17 minutes not a lot of minutes I’m glad you said that so now I don’t want to hear nothing about SAR when I tell y’all they gave that man 19 minutes and he still almost gave you he gave you what he give you look at it look his and say he don’t have a NBA skill set is whack as hell what are you talking about you know you know who play play with seen this I’m sure you seen this already but let’s look at the videos of SAR going against players who gonna be drafted in the same draft that you can we pull up the off possession uh I got an off possession video of sorry see I seen it already I seen every last possession from per and you gonna see here and say hey man he don’t got an NBA skill set i’m say I don’t think offense I said off I said on offense I don’t think he has dude the dude got a turnaround jumper the dude got a turnaround jumper he were playing 14 and 16 years old he was playing with Madrid who been winning the Euro league mown he was playing with M was playing on the junior team he was playing against he was with m one of the best Euro teams in in the Euro league look playing in the EUR let’s just let’s we’ll just look up his numbers we need you can literally you can go it’s a video of where he was talking with Paul George he was explaining that when you play with Madrid in those big Cup teams they’ll sign you but you’re gonna play in those lower divisions for them so you’re basically playing the equivalent of like Junior High School basketball with them kids around your age and town level the pro leagues are like when you get to the NBL in Australia or why League why did s play on the Junior League for Real Madrid cuz he’s good I’m not saying he’s not no cuz he was a child he was 14 when he signed with Madrid here’s the thing here’s the thing you hear me Jay he was 14 okay but here that’s why he play kid it’s no different from RE and you know what they all have in common with s and re have in common they French they’re French it going to the Olympics for the French national haven’t seen one show me Jay show me I you right now J they’re in the same country one guy is going to the N is on the national team the other guy isn’t why okay so guess what Trey young ain’t going on Trey got an Olympic team what that mean but America’s a little different we got a oh it’s different they hate now huh you trying to say what’s different how come you say s since you say SAR can’t make the Olympic team why can’t Trey make the Olympic team I need I need to hear this Trey’s problem is coaching the coaching staff with them does not like Trey young they don’t like like coaches and players oh okay so I’m use the same argument the French Dudes don’t like s they hate we don’t know that though you don’t know if they hating on Trey young how you know they hating on Trey young I’m pretty sure I mean Lloyd Pierce is on you just you’re just saying it you’re just saying it when they did the this year when they did the Olympics there was like an actual try out window and Trey wasn’t even inviting like an invite to that camp okay so what you trying to say you trying to say that he not good enough to make the Olympic team to get the invite EXC you about to use Jay whatever to use I’m about to use the same excuse for go ahead I’m gonna say it again I do not mind what player of the three that the Hawks pick whether it’s SAR whether it is clinging whether is ret when I look at clinging and Reet I see where their talent level their skill don’t even have a upside Jay what what else you g get nonathletic he can’t keep up with he can’t keep up with forwards what what are we talk he don’t what are we talking about you have to think about how the Hawks play they didn’t give they didn’t give Quin SN I got you don’t you don’t draft a number one overall pick and have him fit your system you draft a number one overall pick and you make a system that he fits in I would say traditionally you’re right I would really say traditionally you’re right because typically the number one pick isn’t going to a team like the Hawks that have a defined star maybe even two a head coach yeah it does Minnesota that doesn’t happen that doesn’t my question is my de my question with SAR is you said he played with Real Madrid right Real Madrid Academy yeah as a child all right so if he played in The Real Madrid Academy with Pros over there right why did he come over here to America with overtime Elite and struggle so much he wasn’t playing with Pros he around years old so what over there junor League he was 14 when he came he was he was basic he was basic playing high school basketball what are we talking about here y’all act like 22 or some [ __ ] he was 16 when he came to OT and he got better every year OT then no the his best stat was 11 and six your boy best Shield was 10 points he’s in a we he playing he’s playing in trying to Hype up y’all trying to Hype up that wack that weak ass League it’s the Le that [ __ ] ain’t no better than college basketball okay who won the FEA I don’t know oh uh the Euro the Euro league Canadians Canada FEA Serbia that yeah sh Shay Shay Gilbert Canada one you talking the world the fever World Cup of basketball last year yeah get them lost no I think I think Germany or Serbia won that they played in the finals we played secondy it was Germany versus Serbia in the final and the third place game was America versus Canada yeah you might be right you might be right on that yeah Watchman my thing is with with s my with s you’re Bing on production you breing it on production you’ve never seen with s never at any level man man about his production I keep telling y’all that my thing with s is he comes to this team and he instantly makes us better defensively instantly y’ better def how many he can’t he got to shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot we get [Music] listen up 50% from the field and you worried about if somebody can shoot you got stop the other team that’s what we’re saying Rec say he’s actually a good Defender Scouts are saying this they report Defender and maybe four show me one report where it says that Ria say is an elite Defender I wouldn’t say he’s aite but he gotta be elite man he gotta be elite to come with us from any of them draft dudes that say is an elite Defender I’ll wait I got you I I probably can find some clips ain’t nobody saying nothing about Elite Defender nobody you ain’t gonna find it Jay I will I will tell you based off of guys’s current skill level it’s very easy to see C and REE being very very solid NBA players let me tell today he’s not a bu I don’t know what you see from clinging that’s what you gonna see five years from now so look why why is Wendy not hyping up alexar like he’s gassing like he’s ging Rec so so so what you’re telling me is you looking for other people to to confirm that he’s good is that what you saying no what I’m saying isy has played with and against both of these guys okay I’m ask you this Rec how could nobody no well how could nobody hyping up Trey young to be on Olympic team what how that’s not parall not parallel and K Kali said that that Zack the truth they didn’t say nothing guess what guess what Matt you know what you know what Matt you know what I heard I remember when uh somebody said K regish was a troop how’ that go no that’s what y’ y’all going off a highlight I told and guess and where’s Cam R right now cam is out the league but you know the difference between Cam and Zachary re and why that’s different when cam was in college he was already showing you he was cam got cut by Lakers when cam when cam was in college that Duke Lakers Lakers over he was over with the Lakers so I don’t I thought he was still playing like I said I think I think I think Rich Shay can come in tomorrow and average 14 15 a game I think think sard comes in gives me 15 and eight and and our defense is top 15 in the NBA gonna do Jay and Matt Rich gonna come here playing College Park not Alex College par Alex gonna be a day one starter no he’s not no he is not he is very far away one starter Alex R he’s not he’s very far away from that I’m just gonna be real with you he’s pretty far away from being a day one listen J listen a team will have to be very bad for him listen just say just say this just say hey guys I don’t like s I’m a hater no it has dear is a good dear is a good dear is a good project a good Prospect he’s I have a project like that already I have a project I literally have that same project a guy who can shoots one through five on my team that can shoot and and you G and guess what game so J Jay guess what when when we run out there with our front Court being Jaylen Johnson Mo and Saro and and I’mma tell you something the gague for the Wizards I’m just I’m just I’m just being I love the idea of SAR I just for me personally when I look at the three guys available I like guys that I know have the Baseline to be good mat I think SAR has it on defense but on the other side of the ball he has a lot taking uh you taking linging not I if I was going to take a big I would take clinging no I would take I would take KH I would take cling for the simple fact that of how the Hawks play we’re a very pick and roll heavy team I know he’s gonna be able to set very good screens and get Tre shoot he catches everything right he can’t shoot and he operates very well in the short road but again clinging the word coming out of workouts is he is really knocking the ball down Jay what’s the difference between Clint capella Jay uh for me size short they do the same thing on offense no but I don’t trust Clint capella Clint capella isn’t a short row passer and a short roll Creator kind of like clean is C you never really seen the Hawks throw the ball to Clint and the sh roll and and not be anything but a turnover and when I see Clint try to shoot free throws the mechanics of his shot are horrible like it’s broken but when I see clinging there’s nothing can’t give me nothing but Clint there nothing there’s nothing mechanic give me the same thing on offense that I get from Clint right now besides because I think C is a better finisher around the basket than Clint I don’t know I don’t know I think he’ll be a better finish just had a bad year last year no I’m betting with clinging I’m betting with clinging onlyon only reasoning look good was that his players around him made Yukon look good but but those guyss and other and the other guys talking about right now can go they go one of them guys going in the top top 10 draft is the was the team that made him look good all he had to do was just just defend defend down the post and then when you get the pro and they and they run him out there man on that stretch on that three-point line they pull that man they gonna start pulling that man out of that lane and he ain’t gonna be to get defend get back hey KOA hey Koolaid they got a whole YouTube video of him just awful defending awful they got him out there look they pulled him out to the perimeter bro he tried to recover to the rim man he’s so damn slow I call him a love man a lumbering giant that’s all they them seven Footers like him he’s a lumbering giant I think for a hard time adjusting to pick and pop but a lot of that is positioning and have to understand when he was at yukine he was over 280 80 pounds and he had a foot problem and what they said is the rumor coming out of of camps that of teams that have worked him out they have very high on boards is that he’s lost weight he came at the combine when they wait him during the season he was like 280 285 he was at the combine 270 two 275 he said he’s working on his body as he’s lost weight they’re saying he’s become very fluid and there were times that Yukon he didn’t take many he only took like four or five threes or six threes when the ball came out of his hand it was clean and the ones that he made was straight switch and when I seen him when I see him throws how many how many did he take J how many threes did he take probably took like six he a take real talking about the on you saw was straight come on Jake six serious he made him that’s the thing there’s nothing wrong when I’m looking at Donovan cling okay saw in the gleue game shoot three three poters and he had all three shots he went four he went in a g in a g game and he playing against G all those guys that have the possibility to be in the top 10 draft pick all saying with s is I don’t think he has the NBA offensive skill that he can rely on today that’s all I’m don’t surprise you man I don’t think he’s a good screener surpr because in the show man hey salute everybody who T in today man salute to Jay for tapping in for the first time Kool-Aid in the building once again my guy Matt ticket everybody who tapped in on the panel John uh Maran Daren salute to everybody who tapped in man uh make sure y’all hit that like button for us you feel me and we’ll be back in probably about two more days to discuss let’s see that win take man peace take care [Music]

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