Draymond Green & Derek Fisher debate ’01 Lakers vs. ’17 Golden State Warriors: “It’s a coin flip”
welcome to the brand new Draymond Green Show YouTube channel hit subscribe so you don’t miss out on any of our content I was recently on the big fella podcast uh Shack stradamus sha diesel the big the big shakas um You Name It We The Big Aristotle yeah I was on this podcast he was on the show and we discussed the 01 uh Lakers versus the 17 Warriors now quite frankly if I’m honest I hate when people had these discussions because it’s like you you these people people have these discussions and it’s no merit to the conversation or anything a bunch of hypotheticals or what is however I hypothetically love [ __ ] having these conversations with guys that’s been a part of it and so let’s discuss this like me and Shaq obviously disagreed on who would win the series um I quite frankly got us beating y’all in five but like how you see this series going fish yeah no I mean obviously you know as Champs only you have to respect Champions so I absolutely you know in five I think is you know I don’t know if you got the Lobos in there with you or what’s going on but but in five I don’t know about that I mean Champs against Champs it should be a battle you know it should go to game seven battle um it’s like you said it’s always fun even though it’s not real right to just talk about the possibilities and the matchups and you know you obviously always should think your team is better than anybody else’s team that you know that got it done in that way um you know it’s hard to explain to people how physically dominant Shaq really was like I think people see the videos they they see the backboard Smash and all of that but I don’t know if there’s a recognition of like the way we now run pick and roll to put pressure on the rim to create threes Shaq literally was every pick and roll you ever try to run you could just throw it to him to get the ball to the rim like it and and the most efficient shots in basketballer at The Rim Corner threes free throws and we got all of that because of him in theory and then obviously Kobe was able to do a lot but am I naive to think that like who’s guarding Kevin Durant you know what I’m saying like like like Rick Fox was amazing defensively maybe that’s a cover that he could figure out because Rick was physical and you know but KD was KD obviously Stephen his prime how Elite you guys were defensively you know like we were wish with our 01 team we were fairly predictable because of Shaq Shaq’s dominance so you know what I mean so so defensively you know you guys definitely would have been able to scheme some things and try to you know maybe front and back him and and send a guy over on the Baseline side on if he was fronted as the ball was in the air but you know Shaq literally has changed people’s Dent work bro like that just no team triple team anything could could bad them so all of that to say to me when you talk about like the greatest teams ever it’s got to be a coin toss and it it probably would depend on who has homec court that 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was kind of the standard and and like the brand of basketball that y’all played in is obviously totally different than the Brandon basketball that’s played now and you know when I look at like the rules that y’all play by quite frankly if I’m honest I don’t think we could have beat y’all at those rules like no chance like we play a totally different game however if the rules are are how they are today like yeah I don’t think there’s a chance y’all can keep up with us because you can’t grab like so now guys’s just moving around it’s speed it’s a bunch and and with those rules size becomes less important because you’re almost protected from the size you know and so it’s a very interesting thing n less man I think uh you know just just to be in that for me to be in a conversation of the teams like I grew up watching like the Lakers the Bulls like yeah the Pistons the spur like to be in the conversation with those teams to me is always mindblowing because those are the teams like as a Bas 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Draymond Green and Derek Fisher debate who would win a seven-game series between Kobe Bryant, Shaq, and the 2001 Los Angeles Lakers or Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Kevin Durant, and the 2017 Golden State Warriors.
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46 Comments
Gotta woth Lakers because they had shooters to . They have no answer for shaq or kobe in they prime youngeers sleeping on big shot bob and fox
The 01 kings took the Lakers to 7 games. I am 37 years old and I remember a few teams pushing that laker team including the blazers and the kings. I think the dubs would have edged them in a close series
Lakers in 4
Lakers win!!! Draymond already forgot chris paul got hurt in the houston series in game 5 they were down 3 2 they wouldve lost š
Lakers in 6
The biggest achilles heel of Shaq's Lakers teams have always been "quick, scoring guards". Mike Bibby & the '02 Kings Double High Post offensive sets nearly destroyed the Lakers. Bibby was receiving hand-offs from Webber/Divac and pulling up wide open 20 footers, which would be three-pointers against Curry.
Allen Iverson did a number on the Lakers in 2001 as well, and then finally, Chauncey Billups ended that dynasty. Neither Derek Fisher, Gary Payton, or Kobe was able to guard Chauncey, If Shaq coudn't defend the baseline pick'n roll of the late 90's early '00s, what makes you think he can defend the high pick'n rolls today?
The rules is really the totally of it. Back in the day maybe lakers in 6. Todayās rules warriors in 5.
What rules we going by
People keep thinking about āwho stopping shaqā mf NOBODY. But the lakers not stopping the greatest team assembledā¦ warriors in 5
KD is a huge X factor. It would be a great series but I have the Lakers winning 4-2.
Warriors lightning they ass up from three
only the 04' pistons can say in 5šš
Mindsets will overcome skill in this the is championship BATTLE.. Delusional is a drugā¦. Youāre not beating them.
Of yāall couldnāt beat 2001 wasnāt even yall best year bruh
Lakers gs could barely beat lebron
Allen Iverson sixers won a game against the Lakers u think that sixers team is going to come close to beating the golden state warriors 17 team hell no. They beating the Lakers in 6
Anyone who thinks the warrior beating those lakers, had lost their complete mind.
If the sac kings can hang with lakers so can warriors. Game 7 will come down to Kobe vs Curry and Durant since they will just hack a Shaq in the end.
Best part would be Matt Barnes vs D fish! š
It's funny how Draymond keeps on asking this rhetorical questions. . Bruh with these warriors line up with KD the center, Kobe would guard 1 to 5 . Now whos guarding prime Shaq and prime Kobe?! š¤¦
Thank you to Draymond for giving the Spurs some shine!šš¾
Dray getting ejected even in the hypothetical š¤¦š¾āāļøš¤£š¤£ Jesus Christ.
But as a warriors fan I can tell yall Kobe taking that Steph matchup personally
Lakers in 5. Whoās guarding Shaq ?
The only thing that matters here is what rules they are playing? If you arenāt allowed to man handle Steph and Klay and just let them rain 3s off of pick and rolls, math says 3 beat 2s. But if they can physically beat up GSWās back court and KDā¦. This isnāt even a debate who wins. The combined offensive power on GSW was unreal in todayās game, but all 3 shrunk from physicality.
In todayās game, warriors smoke the lakers. In a slower paced game lakers have edge
No answer for Shaq, everything else could be matched
everyone is saying lakers would definitely win because of shaq. i think people think too one dimensional. warriors would always double or even triple team shaq and live with the quite inefficient scorer that is kobe albeit also always a consistently high scorer, or the rest of that lakers squad. but its not gonna be shaq being a center on defense and letting the rest of the warriors squad go to him. oh good heavens no. its gonna be shaq always through out the entire series, gonna have to go up the 3 point line and guard steph or klay. always. either that or they are shooting open 3's. so definitely shaq cant go heavy mins and be effective especially on the 4th. he is gonna be too oxygen deprived to keep that dominance up. warriors will live with inefficient kobe being guarded by probably iggy, who btw was named finals mvp strictly because of his defense. so yea warriors are great at defense, and too many juggernaut offensive players for the lakers to keep up
On Gilās Arena last week, Kenyon Martin did a great job also talking about Shaqās dominance in the finals. Iād like to see Kenyon tell Dray lol.
i think Phil Jackon would be the difference maker. He was pretty good
The thing is no matter how many 3ās golden state shoot shaq is still going to bring problems especially for the golden state bigs
Warriors in 5 is hilarious ššššš this might be a sweep by the Lakers
Hereās something that Iāll let people know: the only team that will put up a fight against the 2017 Kevin Durant Warriors would beat the 1972 Los Angeles Lakers, with arguably the greatest human to have ever played basketball, even in his old age , in Wilt Chamberlain.
There is literally no one on the 2001 Los Angeles Lakers who will be able to stop the onslaught of Steph Curry and Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson.
As weāve seen with Kobe Bryant, when he didnāt have shack, heās quite inefficient. Shaquille OāNeal would dominate offensively, but that death lineup of the Warriors will make him into instant buckets, essentially nullifying his defense.
The Warriors will be so fast that they would give Shaquille OāNeal a goddamn heart attack.
Thereās a couple of excellent YouTube channels that talk about these various issues and how the game is evolved. The NBA in the 2000s were pretty inefficient and they would have no answer for a player like KD who canāt be stopped or Steph Curry where they have to meet him and guard him at the logo and chase him around at full speed .
Players like Derek Fisher will end up having a goddamn stroke, chasing the Warriors around.
And if we are talking about taking those teams as they were constructed at the time, not adjusting to different rules that were played during 2001 and 2017, 2001 Los Angeles Lakers were literally not built to handle a team like the 2017 Warriors.
I wish that the architect and fixer for those two franchises in Jerry West was around to settle the debate. He built those teams to win at those specific times. We have to put down our brand washing that mainstream media paints of our beloved teams, thinking that their time as the most dominant team in the league can translate past the error in which they were playing in my estimation, the only player that has ever played that would be equally dominant in any error of basketball is Wilt Chamberlain. Every other player, including Michael Jordan, would simply wonāt be. Michael Jordan in todayās NBA, given how the teams were constructed and the factors that have been in the league. The last 8 to 9 years has a high chance of becoming another Russell Westbrook.
Letās even go to coaching, whatever you think of Phil Jackson as on the Mount Rushmore coaches, Steve Kerr could be on the same Mount Rushmore.
We also have to understand that in this hypothetical situation, the Lakers wonāt have a mysterious aura that they had during the shack and Kobe era. Steph Curry would equally have the same touch. One thing that will be a factor against the Los Angeles Lakers is which team would crack given the pressure of getting boat race by either a dominant performance behind Shaquille or Kobe or if Kevin and Steph and Klay go nuclear and blow them out by 40 points. Given what we now know about how those Lakers broke up, Kobe could go off on shack the way that Kobe went off on Dwight Howard. And since Shaquille is a very prideful, dude, I donāt know how well that would end.
Lastly, I like the Warriors chances with Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston.
Yes, I know that NBA players current informer are private people. Theyāre going to talk themselves sky high. But the best qualified debate in analysis of this possibility comes from various independent sports channels on YouTube. Much to the heartburn of older NBA fans who are in love with the 80s and 90s , not liking stuff, not liking Draymond and the three-point Revolution of the game, believe that those old styles could still carry a day in the new NBA. Theyāve gotten blinded by highlights. If they actually watch the games from start to end, if the NBA allow for that to happen, it will be immediately apparent that they just couldnāt keep up. The game is night and day different.
This one goes to perhaps the most devastating team in league history: the 2017 Golden State Warriors.
I will put them up against any of your favorite teams of the 1980s, the 1990s, the 1960s and the only team that I feel that could match them although it would be hard for them would be the 1972 Golden State Warriors, solely because of Wilt, Chamberlain, and his individual ability to never get tired , stronger than Shaquille OāNeal, more talented than 99% of the players to ever play in the league the most physically gifted athlete the NBA has ever seen. That is what it will take for a team to even be in the door.
This does not take away the incredible careers and the height of that career of the 2001 Lakers in Shaq and Kobe. They are no less than top 20 players all time, many people will put them in their top seven. But just like a regular mountain feature, thereās a big giant difference Between all-time players playing equalizers like the system that Golden State was playing.
And to give the channel owner credit of his unusual Hall of Fame career, we can easily see a situation where he will never back down from Kobe Bryant, he would put the pressure up to 1 billion. Unlike the TV movie of the 2001 Laker season, I donāt see anybody on the Lakers bothering Kevin Durant especially when Steph Curry is sucking auction and out of the room. The pressure to even keep up with the scoring is going to make the Lakers have defensive lapses as well as offensive turnovers.
All that being said in this very lengthy comment, itās not that the Lakers donāt have a chance. But that chance is to keep it close that allows for the ultimate clutch moments of the Lakers to emerge. I think the 2001 Lakers only clear advantage over the 2017 Warriors are there ability to pull ahead if there with striking distance and keep matching the Warriors shot for shot. The Warriors are either a team thatās going to wipe you out or will lose in close games. But I would never bet that would happen repeatedly.
You aināt talking about the 16 17 warriors right?? Fraud warriors team
Forget Shaq, who the hell can guard 2001 Kobe? Lakers in 5
if you cant grab how you going to defend Shaq???
I like Draymond with his podcast and stuff but this dude should stop feeling so great about himself.
Warriors in 5 at the max š old heads delusional
Dray is always talking about the screen he would set to protect his guys, but what would Shaq do to him?? get real Dray. there's levels of toughness and he's not on shaq's
Lakers in 5
8:30 āand you know what elseāā¦.not really man. Why you say it like that? Were you cranking it to basketball?š
Kings was snubbed
Warriors in 6
Draymond so delusional saying in 5 like whatās wrong with you if any thing
Your the reason they going to loose every one is going to guard some one expect you every one is leaving
You alone
Draymond has to realise that they, the Warriors, can't grab or hold in today's rules either, so not only can Steph and Klay run around untouched…. imagine Kobe playing with no one allowed to touch him as well. Kobe's gonna dominate and he'd be fine chucking up 3s.
Shaq's going for 50 on 20/25 shooting and 10/20 FTs after fouling out Draymond and whatever other big guy they throw at him. Shaq dominated other bigs that could bump and shove him on D, Shaq v undersized guys that aren't allowed to get physical….. BBQ CHICKEN!!!!!
The only negative for Shaq would be having to switch more often than he'd be used to, he would be a bit of liability on D…. but not any more than the guys that are guarding him would be. Shaq will score more than he concedes.
Too many people have blown smoke up Draymond's arse and it's made him extremely arrogant.
Damn nobody here watched 01 shaq lol. Literally the most dominant single player in league history that year
The Lakers win that matchup 4-1 at worst .. it wouldn't even be that competitive… GS never faced a team as defensively sound , talented and disciplined as that Lakers team
Warriors would win this matchup. It would be competitive but peak Warriors was insane. Fitness levels increased (better nutrition, understanding the importance of sleep, workout techniques, etc). The Warriors would have ran the Lakers ragged. It's not a fair comparison to be honest. Coaching schemes also progressed a ton with a bigger emphasis on basketball IQ. One cannot crack an NBA roster anymore purely on athleticism. The systems today are so sophisticated.
And then there's the elephant in the room which is that 40% from 3, beats 50% from 2.