👑Demar DeRozen is Headed to the Sacramento Kings👑 + NBA Off-season Updates | The Panel
yeah yo what’s going on everybody uh hope everybody had a good weekend hope it was blessed there was a lot going on this weekend and we are going to try to tackle every single thing in this video appreciate y’all for tapping in early make sure you slap that like button but right from the top fellas there no need to even wait for it no need to uh prolong it it was a big trade this weekend you better tuck your CH you better tuck your chain uh oh uh oh go change I knew this is coming I knew this coming he uh oh here we go y hey you see you see you see even R putting off a Sacramento today tuck your chains D balls coming oh my God ax I would have I I I really would have been more excited about this had this been maybe two years ago I this wouldn’t have bothered me at all I would have been like okay you know we we have something that’s not to say that Demar de rozan is whack because I don’t think he whack he had 24 game last year and as fast as you dudes play and the way you get up and down the way you shoot the long ball the way you guys play in transition I still think that’s conducive to to dear I want to say Lamar I’m sorry to De to Demar de rozen’s game but with that being said he still plays in the mid-range he doesn’t really shoot the long ball like that which is great one of the other things that you guys do is Sacramento does defend and thead Rosen isn’t one of the better defenders in the game and does this really does this push you guys over the top I mean how much more competitive does this make you when you get a guy on The Crew That’s averaging 24 game I but what kind of 24 is it so I’m not saying I’m not saying that I’m not saying that Demar de rozan is whack I want to make sure that we Clay on that I don’t think he’s whack I I do not I’m just trying to make sense of what the expectation is with Demar de R rozan getting on the crew and on top of that and on top of that real quick and and on top of that how does this enhance the development of guys like uh Ross uh Ellis of of of guys like that how does how does this enhance guys like him what does this do for Keegan Murray guys like that that’s what I’m thinking about this well this doesn’t hinder any of that this doesn’t hinder them at all especially now Keon Ellis like I mean Keon I don’t think Keon gonna get too much better regardless of who’s on the team anyway but you you say what type of 24 is this this is the type of 24 that we need we don’t got mid-range scores we don’t got we don’t we got we got a couple ISO guys like nobody can stand in front of dear Fox but you know what I’m saying we got Malik but other than that we don’t really have a a give it to give it to you and go like yeah uh uh Damas might get on his bully on the Block every once in a while whatever but like we need we need a guy that can that can score in the mid-range we need a guy that we can give the ball to that’s not named de Fox with seven seconds or less on the shot clock and that’s DeMar rosen y’ see I and I’ve said it before even before dear I even thought Demar could even come to sack I don’t think Demar is a bad Defender you know what I’m saying and our our issue isn’t even perimeter defense anyway our our a lot of our uh issues is at The Rim you know what I’m saying the problem is that most people and I’m not speaking on you I’m speaking on most people in the comment section and whatnot and around the world because Mars has a big voice they have let Mars convince and and I I told no way you’re blaming me Mars did I not tell you I warned you at least a year ago jul yes Mar I told you I told you Mars when you speak everybody listens but you’re gonna you’re gonna convince everybody that the Marty rosen’s bad at basketball and that’s what you did I’ve never said he’s bad at basketball but but but you know but when you said what you said that’s what they hear now I’m not blaming you Mar I’m just saying you you you got you got a level of responsibility you got you gotta you got to handle that with care you know what I’m saying you got a voice you got motion you got to handle that with care Demar de rozan you know what he does for year because you asked you asked I’ll tell you what the M Rosen does y he makes his instant favorites in the west whoa fa in the that’s what the tuck your chain Debo’s coming okay hold on hold hold stop right there instant favorites when when you say favorites a you mean like yo we coming out the Western Conference in the NBA finals next June I’m not saying we coming out I’m saying we the favorites Too come out okay but that’s what I’m talking about so that makes you guys the favorites that come out of the West what does demard de rozan bring to you do to push you over the top to make I told you that that mid-range that mid-range scoring the iso scoring like that that ISO scoring the midrange what would he he brings us what we didn’t have right that’s what we didn’t have that’s what we needed you know what I’m saying and and now we got it and okay go ahead go ahead speaking speaking of bringing something I don’t know but the boogeyman is in the west now you know who the boogeyman is for the M de rozan right who right that right down south oh I just want to put that out there that that was that was 10 years ago we we we we keep that Lakers pack lit yeah yes you do and and last last I checked I don’t know what it is about sabonis but when he see when he see Anthony Davis he’s he’s he ready to get it on when he see only only one team there’s only one team we’re scared of here I I I don’t know what that’s about and I think that they finished but I think they finished to be honest until until until bi and Zion are gone I’m scared of them we don’t we don’t want to play the Tim rules and we’re scared the Pelicans I respect OKC I respect the Mavericks I respect I respect all the teams in the west but I’m not I’m not going to be humble just because just because what for what I gotta tell the truth Debo’s coming I think you know what the problem is chill everybody scared they scared you know how you know you know how people be quiet they look around and then their first instinct is just to to talk talk mess and bring up the past and all that oh it’s a it’s a new de like I’m doing right now chill are you scared chill not at all all right you should be because de coming yeah not at all I just Ron I’m just saying man the value that that demal de Rosen brings to This Crew is undeniable you can’t when 24 game don’t get me wrong and somebody gotta lead a bad team in scoring somebody gota lead a bad team in assist somebody gota lead a bad team in rebound all I get all of that but Demar de R Roan has always been a bucket getter no matter where he’s been whether he was in Toronto whether he was in s Antonio whether he was in Chicago he’s always been a bucket getter and even at his Advanced age he could still score and he could score in a variety of ways he’s never really been that much of a long ball shooter and I’m thinking about how he fits into I’m thinking about how he fits into Sacramento the fact that they play as fast as they do not only the fact that they play as fast as they do the isolation scorer that he is and how Mike Brown will draw up stuff for him I’m just thinking about when you’re playing against teams where they do a lot of hunting especially in Western Conference guys get hunted we saw what the Boston Celtics did with Luca and I’m not saying that dear de rzan is as bad a Defender as Luca no I’m not saying that at all but the Golden State Warriors the Lakers the the Oklahoma City Thunder they do a great job in hunting mismatches and Demar de R rozan who has not really been that much of a defender in the past the not just the Lakers the Western Conference they do a great job offensively in hunting guys I’m worried about that with Sacramento in particular because a guy like him who’s that intrical and what you guys are doing offensively he’s going to be on the floor defensively we can’t keep just trading buckets with guys we got to slow guys down and if if teams are gonna go after him on a consistent basis I worry about what that’s gonna look like don’t forget don’t forget we we did it without giving up Kevin H we got all of our shooting we got our shooting we got Kevin we got Malik we got Keegan we got Shooters Trey L shout to all our shooters for everybody out there this was a three- team trade um yes the Kings did give up Chris diarte and they gave up Harrison Barnes Harrison Barnes went to the Spurs so I thought that was a pretty good pick up for the Spurs Kings obviously got demard de R Ro in and then the Bulls received Chris diarte in two first round picks that was the official trade it was I think we’re going to start seeing well not even think we have seen a lot of signing trades just due to the new Dynamic of the NBA so that’s how it will move on going forward at least for the foreseeable future but Mars and pin I want to hear from you guys on this trade pin I know you have spent a lot of time watching Demar D rozan you probably watch Demar D rozan more than everybody not only on on the panel right now but in the chat with you being a Toronto guy can you let me know just how does this how does this work out and does he Elevate the Kings so many thoughts so many thoughts first of all I mean Ox probably one of my favorite people here but like favorites is crazy I’m it’s not that it’s not that crazy I mean I think it’s pretty crazy I’m just I’m just saying that I mean and second you know to to the point about Mars and like yo like Demar has been bad at defense since before dear since before Mars was born Mars definitely didn’t do that I promise you Demar has never been a great defender but I will tell you this anchoring bias is real when people get introduced to a prospect they get introduced to a player he develops a reputation burns out in the playoffs a couple times people assume that’s who he is and then when he goes to San Antonio and he goes to Chicago and he evolves his game people don’t pay attention because they’re not watching him anymore you’re not making deep playoff runs so I want to say like I’m not going to stand here and tell you that this is a perfect fit for the Kings it’s not a perfect fit for the Kings he’s a great player he’s a really good player so defensively you’re being nice saying he’s he’s you know he’s not a bad Defender he is a bad Defender he’s very limited he’s Limited in the team scheme he’s limited versatility wise he cannot guard up too much we watched it time and time again in Toronto this is a part of his game that has not evolved very much the part of his game that has evolved a lot since his days in Toronto is his playmaking and um overall his efficiency as a player like where he gets a shot how he gets a shot what types of shots he turns down what types of shot shots he turns up M and also last year was one of his lowest usage years which is important too when you’re playing game when you’re playing off of two guys because I think a lot of people might be thinking dear’s been the man on a lot of bad teams now he’s coming on to a team where he’s not the first option that’s Deen Fox’s team that’s that’s maybe gon to go through sabonis how’s he playing off those guys is he gonna be comfortable well yeah I mean he played off of other guys before he’s played off of LaVine now he’s played off of guys so you know I think that is a good it’s a good situation and I’ll tell you like just again watching watching Demar since Compton [ __ ] I’m I’m I’m I’ve been a fan of this guy since he was 15 years old he’s one of my favorite players in high school I loved him I drafted him to I drafted him to the Toronto Raptors in 2K year after year after year and then he finally became a raptor I was so happy he did not become the player that I thought he would be in high school very different type of player but man I think we owe we the north to this dude best culture Setter best teammate ever the minute he got to the Chicago Bulls he wanted all his young teammates he wanted their digits he wanted them to feel like connected he shown up to I dumu like Jersey he’s just is a really solid dude and you consider everything he’s been through with his parents everything where he comes from all the depression stuff that he’s talked about he’s just a realest dude I tell you right now when dear left culture left Toronto a lot of you know everything you heard about the Raptors being dysfunctional all that stuff with Fred Van vet all that stuff selfishness that did not happen with DeMar rosen he built this thing up he is a very loyal dude I think he’s going to be great for the young players I hope that they have a good idea of how to fit him in basketball-wise defensively I am concerned I am concerned about the kings that did not Shore up their perimeter perimeter defense Keon Ellis is a revelation became one of my favorite like signings last Year y’all found a gem I love that guy um but I’m I’m curious about you know because Harrison Barnes is not a bad Defender Harrison bar is a very good Team Defender very smart guy very good very good and you’re losing that and you’re replacing with more offense and there’s only one basketball that’s the thing I’m worried about that part right there we got I mean no go ahead go ahead go that’s the part that’s the part I’m worried about o when when and you’ve been an advocate of this particularly with the Milwaukee Bucks when they handed over Drew holiday the fact that what you did was you tra all of that traded all of that defense for offense you didn’t get any of that defense back Zer this ain’t the same this ain’t the same thing as that way different than that because first of all first of all dear Rosen is a better Defender than than Damen Lillard and Harrison Barnes is not close to the defender of Drew holiday all although although Harrison Barnes I I value I value Harrison Barnes like I really like Harrison Barnes off the court on the court I like everything about Harrison bars I have nothing negative to say about him but it was time for him to go um and as far as our defense goes yeah Deen Fox is a hell of a perimeter Defender Keon Ellis is a hell of a perimeter Defender Keegan Murray is a hell of a Defender Uh Kevin even Kevin herder is is is good on on defense you know what I’m saying so I I don’t once again I’m our our problem is at The Rim our problem is damont sabonis not be not being a great uh rim rim protector sure yeah rim protector so that’s that’s the issue for us I don’t think the I don’t think the issue is out there like we we play defense I’ve been saying this for two seasons so feel like you got enough so do you feel like you have enough guys I mean we’ve had this conversation before about being able to hide guys do you have enough guys do you feel like on the perimeter to protect Demar de rozan that’s the million dollar question I’m not I’m not I’m not of that mindset I don’t I’m not thinking about protecting dear de rozen the reason why I’m like Demar play B we’re gonna score 150 that’s that’s the problem we’ll score 170 okay you could you could but here’s the problem if you gonna give up 150 you’re gonna give up 155 dear Rose is not the reason we’re gonna give up 150 Mike Brown isn’t and Ox we’re talking about getting to the rim it’s not like they’re dumping the ball down and you’re going to play against Shaq every trip no that’s not the issue the problem is that you do have a bunch of guys particularly in the Western Conference that are damn good on the perimeter and they got to get to the rim okay I know your issue is at The Rim but getting around and getting to the rim we got to get guys who can slow guys down and the point that you just brought up dearon Fox uh Ellis guys like that who can protect demard de rozan because again they’re G to go after him 100% they’re going to go after him I can appreciate your logic about him being Debo on offense because he does bully guys but 100% in the Western Conference they in terms of offense schemes they hunt guys and they hunt guys on the regular and a guy like Demar de rozan who’s been known not to be that much of a Defender and who can that can be a hole they will go after him so that’s the situation that Mike Brown who’s a very good defensive mind he’s gonna have to fix that I mean the teams if to me it looks like team take what you give them if we if we don’t give it to them they not gonna take it you know what I mean so that’s that’s how I look at it and it’s not like I mean who do we got who do we got that’s gonna really pick on the mo um that we’re gonna let pick on the more like I’m not gonna count Luca because he’s gonna pick on anybody it doesn’t matter who who you put in front of Shay you know Shay we I’m not I like Shay trust me Shay Shay is a issue Shay is a very big issue but you know that’s that’s that’s one that’s a perfect example for that team right there Demar don’t never have to go anywhere near sh you know what I’m saying like they got they got so many like think Jay dub is Keegan Murray is pretty much in my opinion like he is your only above neutral Defender apart from Keon Ellis here’s the problem though you’re Clos got respect de respect Deon car respect de Carter he’s going to be there this year he’s going to be he he will be this year on a team we’ll we don’t know yet your your score is we don’t know that Rond we don’t know anything we don’t know I doubt I doubt he’ll close I doubt 110 it’s it’s five minutes to go in the fourth quarter your lineup your closing lineup at minimum includes three defensive massive defensive liabilities at minimum possibly you think Fox is a liability he’s not far from that I don’t think that he is as great a Defender as a lot of people think because of his on ball pressure and because of his peskiness and because of his activity level you’re missing the other parts of where what’s more what’s more what’s more important than all on ball pressure talking about the last five look man it’s team team defense screen navigation Rim defense potentially getting crossmatch there’s a lot of things where I could I could say someone who is slight of build like Deen Fox can be your weakest defender in a good defense but he cannot be your third best defender in a good defense what do you mean slight build he is a very slight build player he’s very he’s very Keon Ellis is skinny too to be but Keon Ellis is bigger and stronger than than de fox in my opinion no I agree stronger than I I think picked up on the word liability I wouldn’t call Dar Fox a liability I can understand in situations certain situations you’re you’re gonna he’s not he’s not Drew holiday he’s not Derek white like he’s not in the upper echelon of guards you could you can call him a neutral Defender you can say he’s like average right but he’s not great in my opinion he’s not great Keegan Murray last year I was a little bit dubious my boy covers the Kings he messaged me he’s like yo Keegan really turned a corner defensively I didn’t believe him but I looked into the tape Keegan Murray really did turn he turned it defensively bigger athletes are always going to have that positional versatility angle where they’re going to be able to guard multiple places they’re going to be guarding lower third of the floor upper third of the floor that’s what I’m saying like I don’t want Dean Fox guarding at The Rim but enough movement will put him at a position at The Rim you know what I mean that’s what I say defensive liability anytime you’re small in the NBA you’re going to be somewhat of a liability unless you are generational Defender you’re going to be somewhat of a liability and damont sabonis is in my opinion a terrible Defender so him and Malik monk now y’all heard me say I love leak monk I put him in the third tier whatever and got into a lot of beef on that and you back me up and said Malik is nice I don’t think Malik Monk’s a good Defender that’s the only thing I throw against him he’s not a good Defender I’m really curious how Malik Monk and demard de Rosen don’t overlap a ton in terms of skill sets as Playmakers right de Fox the playmaker on ball Malik monks a playmaker on ball DeMar rosen playmaker on ball damont sabonis also needs the ball a lot right these ho ho ho I want to make sure I’m following you here are we saying that Malik Monk and dear Fox are on the same level is that what we oh that no no no no no I’m not saying that I’m saying if it was Malik monk not closing a lot of lineups with him last year well he is he is one of the better offensive players I won’t argue that he’s incredible yeah sure so what I’m saying is obious CL theine close the lineup sure I can get try to construct a closing lineup where you don’t put one of your best offensive one of your four best offensive players on the bench without becoming a Turn Style defensively and I’ll I’ll hold my breath like you don’t have a Rudy goar back there to clean up all this mess that you’re creating on on the perimeter right like it’s just about it’s just about ADV right it’s advantages you got advantages Galore if I’m a team if I’m an opposing team if I’m the OKC Thunder I’m licking my chops right now you don’t got anybody that can guard any of my guys literally one any any of your guys like meaning who Shay and Jay du that’s all we’re talking about it’s also not just Personnel like CH being able to extend the floor sa bonis is going to be he’s going to get valent Tunis in terms of against it’s the vertical yeah I’m just saying that’s how it look if you feel this Kings roster in 2005 I’m gonna pick you guys to like be Western Conference Finals straight up 205 this team I just build a time machine put him in 2005 this looks pretty good to me this looks pretty good you know uh there’s not a lot of stretch bigs in the league I’m not going to be able to extend the floor up for Damonte sabonis to really hunt him he just gets to be in the post you know he’s guarding the post but now you got you got teams where the big is literally launching from 27 feet and you’re going to have issues with a guy who’s laterally compromised okay this the thing this the thing like we what’s what’s the lineup with with OKC that we’re talking about is is CH is CAD the five is Isaiah the five what are we doing we’re putting hypothetical lineups on the floor I want to know what stop I’m having a difficult time and I want y I want y to keep going if we got they got if they got CAD on the floor I’m fine with I’m I’m fine at I’m fine at any point in the game if ch’s if chat’s on the floor with is hardenstein I’m 100% comfortable with with demontis and Trey or or damont and Keegan I’m not worried about sh the way y’all act like I should be worried about sh like this is you know I don’t see you’re not worried about him in what aspect as an offensive player or overall you’re not worried about I mean just just overall like he’s a good he’s a really he’s a really good basketball player he’s a hell of a basketball player but we’re not concerned with that like if anytime they have Chad and hartstein on the floor together they’re getting ran they’re they’re getting ran off the floor let me ask you question you know saying like this it’s not us it’s them if I could if I could gift you I’m and Caruso can’t guard Malik Caruso can’t guard dearon Caruso Caruso can’t guard dear Caruso is not a issue for us Caruso might be an issue for talking about Al alexo cannot guard might he might be the best perimeter onballer in the G he might be he might be the best on ball perimeter in the game to get his ass CED that’s who he I mean stoping I’m Scaro [ __ ] how and why not and the reason why I’m saying that is because we’re talking about Malik and de he can’t call either one of them okay I gotta ask question I’mma gift you the entire OKC roster you could just take it and put it on the Sacramento Kings tell me is Shay gilders Alexander starting for the Sacramento Kings yes what okay great is Jaylen is Jaylen Williams starting for the is jayb starting for y’all the fact that you gotta can he play can he play the four can he play the four you play him at the 5 obviously he’s not stop it bro stop calm D he can start he can start at the four and ke can start at the three sure I can give with that okay great is Chad starting for you if you can start at the four yeah cool okay uh would isaah hardstein start for y’all no okay at the five at the five and the at the four yeah sure okay wait a minute what are we doing what I’m trying to tell you if I melted if I melted both these rosters into one roster who are your starting five are there three or there that’s a good question I don’t think that really I don’t really think that matters far talk but I can see I can see where we could start uh dear Shay uh J du chat and sabonis I’m fine with that bringing tomorrow the bench D well I mean sure so Debo goes to the bench for like I’m just trying to say a lot a lot of people that I assume you know who are old school you know basketball heads they talk my five versus your five right because the end of the game it’s going to come down to my five versus your five I’m just asking No No it should be my team versus your team cuz we got a bench too we have spoke about bench is better than y’all too in my opinion but I’m just saying Malik is on our [ __ ] I also say is ISA is literally what y’all needed like he is literally what y’all needed to as a starting and by the way people don’t really realize Isaiah Harden scen can shoot do people not realize got he got a left hand flutter I like that no no no no no no he can launch from three bro I watched this guy in g-league he can shoot why we care I know we play in a different game but why do we care about big it’s no it’s no way it’s no way you’re trying to extra utility okay now the extra part I can get with that it’s not extra utility but I feel like that’s something that people bring up as a point of emphasis like a major point of emphasis my five man have to stretch the defense that far I got other it depends on it depends on it depends on what type of offense you’re running too like we don’t you don’t have to be a shooter what I’m trying what I’m trying to tell you is that I’m not going to sit here and listen to you compare Isaiah hardenstein and deont saon like Isaiah is better than demonus or anything like that first of all B that’s that’s cool that’s cool that’s not the conversation the conversation who’s a better basketball player and Damonte sabon is clears Isaiah hardstein with all due respect Isaiah because I love Isaiah I wish we would have got Isaiah I wanted Isa you know what I’m saying I’m not that’s not that’s not that’s not being disrespectful no that’s the point is that our team I I believe our team is better than their team I’m not sold on Alice peruso disturbing our Squad I’m not I’m I love I love Jay dub but I’m like if we’re talking about that for that give me Malik like what what are we talking about Malik Malik monk clears everybody on that bench he clears everybody on that bench and half the starters so I don’t really know what you’re trying to do comparing this the five and this five if we mesh the teams who would start that’s irrelevant I just I just want to ask you know everybody if if Sacramento versus OKC is a first round series what’s your prediction for that Series last year last last year I hold let everybody answer I’m G just say 41 that’s 41 I’ll go OKC I think S I think Oklahoma City beats them in in six that’s generous uh before you go ax I got the kings in six I mean you you guys if when when we look at roster construction and especially just size and everything I think the king’s biggest issue was size obviously with damont sabonis being their Center verticality and stuff like that I don’t think the Thunder really give them that the size is comparable like yeah Mars you said something I didn’t think you gonna say okay never ched is bigger than sabonis he’s obviously a better Rim Proctor he he’s taller jump higher well yeah just everything he’s I think he’s a better paint presence but not by much but other than that thear Roa can deal with jayd Murray can deal with jdub jdub is their second biggest player and outside of that yeah outside of that he’s look at their starting lineup J basketball what do what does height have to do with this what everything what do start what do what do what do who would start if we if we if we melted teams together got to do with anything well wait a minute height has makes ites it makes a it makes a point to to to clarify your your window on how good you’re rating these guys like I don’t know like you’re telling me demard de rosen’s like this great player top 25 I don’t know if you said top 25 but some people saying in the chat top 25 I’m just saying he not starting over jayd duub I don’t know a coach in the league that’s starting Demar d r rozan over jdub and I like Demar Shay you know what I mean but you can’t just underrate all these guys Alex Caruso would 100% if you had just imported Alex I think under the ks I think under what aspect are we talking about a rotation are we talking about rotation guys or or or starting five or talking about overall P just said we’re underrating Jay du he just said we’re underrating all these guys on OKC Caruso we’re under heavily underrating Keegan muray heily heavily underr Malik M Malik M come off the bench and and finish the game and scoring leading the game and scoring which sh which Shay on the floor any night on any night theall the taller team who’s the taller team everyone’s saying hype matters hype matters okay chat chill who is the who’s the taller team bust out the calculator put 66 point guard yo okay if if hype matters OKC is literally the tallest team in the league what are we talking about here not the tall tallest team in the league I don’t know absolutely not the absolutely the tallest team in the league not in terms of in terms of players they play in terms of average height what is the tallest line starting lineup in the league I will in terms of no in terms of players that play and I I was specifically talking about the starting lineup and who they play at the it’s clearly known at the four OKC does not put a lot of size out there JB starts at the four what I’m trying to say is ESS they’re stting two seven Footers now do know come off the bench he’s starting I I he might but I don’t think he yeah I don’t I don’t think he’s gonna start I don’t think it makes a difference he’s gonna play enough minute like starting off the bench that’s and that’s what I’m saying I don’t care about the start lineup thing that [ __ ] is so irrelevant to me it’s so irrelevant like who who the first five to be on the floor when the ball goes in the air it means so much so much little less than what y’all think it means like in general I’m not talking about just you and I’m saying but the starters mean really not that much bro like they don’t they don’t they don’t there’s nothing biased about this it’s that it’s not bias I’m not saying that it’s not biased I’m saying this there’s there’s five guys but there’s another four or five guys off the bench that are gonna play and and those minutes are going to matter just as much the the all every minute in basketball is the same to me like they all matter the same it doesn’t matter who starts the game because Malik doesn’t start for you know what I’m saying Tre does not start for us right Keon Ellis does not start for us and these guys come when when that second unit comes into the basketball game for us it changes everything our second unit is the is a top five uh uh Squad in the in the league bro and I don’t I don’t understand how we can Overlook that how can overl that we have it like like pen talking about all this all these players for players for players but we’re not talking about and I don’t want to keep talking about against the Thunder I want to talk about the whole the whole thing like we we are the way we play is not predicated on who starts the game when when our second unit comes into the game it it it turns up everything Trey La Trey LS has not been talked about and and I’m and like I said with all due respect the chat if if that’s the start lineup Isaiah and Chad demontis and Keegan are [ __ ] them up excuse my language Ron I’m sorry but that is not gonna be what y’all think it’s gonna be like cat Keegan is gon blowing Chad’s head off he it’s not gonna be what y’all think it’s gonna be I don’t know the thing now Ron Ron I can appreciate the logic of the second unit I I can appreciate the logic of the second unit how ingal they are the starting five set the tone of the game guys play better coming off the bench guys play better at starters we can’t discount that a guy coming off the bench won’t be as effective I mean could be more effective than he is as a starter a guy who’s starting who is a starter if he come off the bench he might not be as effective so those guys set the tone for the game he need to go home he not he he not no he need to go home Isaiah honstein thrived his bir I always felt likein was a rotation big I always felt like that I always felt like he was a rotation big but I feel like with $87 million 15 Mill I don’t think he I don’t think he took a $15 million increase in his in his salary to come off the bench again I doubt very seriously that was the case for Oklahoma City I think that they’re going to put him on a stting five he’s going to make 87 million whenever he starts yeah that’s what said he took as much money as he could get in a words get as much money as you could get you’re worth you’re worth What A team’s willing to pay absolutely think that they paid him that to be a rotation guy though I think we’ve seen did Malik monk just got a fat contract to be a bench guy we’re talking about the best rotation he he got the cheapest that was I mean he he would have got more you see what I’m saying so so legitim legitimately he took less money to come off the bench so that’s what I’m saying like why would Isaiah hardenstein not take more money to come off the bench it I’m assuming it’s other players in the NBA that get paid as much as I say hardenstein or even more and they come off the [ __ ] one of the top 14 centers in the league it would be pretty criminally insane for him to come off the bench in my opinion for Chad’s one of the 14 te better than him so but um no that’s fair but Chad Chad’s not a five a four he been he been a five since college so I mean that’s that’s different a ton of advantages you know playing those guys together and I don’t see why you negate that for frankly anybody L they will play they will play together I just don’t know if they’ll start but like this like this why I keep saying it doesn’t matter to me because they’re gonna play a lot of minutes together whether he starts or comes off the bench so absolutely look the old school like way of thinking about basketball is like a shrunken floor right you go watch Bulls highlights Lakers highlights whatever you’re looking at lower third of the floor is like congested right you got the power forward the small all that stuff right at some point somebody realized I don’t know if it was Muhammad Abdul rou or if it was Steph Curry or Steve C somebody realized the floor is longer than it is wide and you want to tell me like oh is shooting like a little bit overrated with bigs that’s why because bigs have naturally been conditioned to jump to the paint in transition they’re always they’re geared since run to the rim and protect the rim and then spray out when you have a big like Chad homr the amount of pressure that it puts on the rest of your roster to cover up for a big who cannot run back to the rim or a big who forgets and it’s like oh shoot I forgot chat coming up coming down uh you know splashing a three that’s the difference the fact that damont sabonis cannot really do that at a high level frankly to me it takes the Kings away from that because he’s always in the paint that’s that’s an area of the floor that that’s a lie that’s a lie you don’t you don’t have to be to stretch the floor you don’t have to be because damont simonis is going to do a lot of great stuff in terms of as a screen Setter right but at the end of the day if he’s standing 25 feet away from the basket I can drop as a big I can I can go I can fall back the minute I can fall back as a big and you’re gonna find this out when we talk about the FEA basketball and we see the fever rules where there’s no defense of 3 seconds you’re going to shut down angles for you know your penetrators right your guys like dearen Fox your guys like Malik monk guys who are quick twitch you know get get to the dribble and also for guys like demard de Rosen everything the Boston Celtics taught us in the finalist is all about extending gaps right everything is about extending gaps in terms of creating maximum space for your players right that’s what the Nuggets did that’s what the Celtics did literally the same formula has been winning the NBA championship for years we just keep calling it different because it’s a different team The Warriors it was all about pace and space everything’s about space so I don’t know how demard de Rosen plus Damonte sabonis Works in this era where neither one of these guys is someone that I need to chase off the line in in terms of three-point shooting they operate in the same areas on the court that’s my issue and it’s the same issue I not just standing the the Kings the Kings offense the Kings actually run one of the more free in offenses of course and they run it they run it through dear and they have a lot of off ball movement they have a lot of ball movement dribble handoffs and things of that nature the Kings Don’t just run a high picking roll with dear and sabonis and then just call it that they don’t just run isolations with Malik mon I actually don’t think demard de Rosen is gonna get as many isolations as you guys think he will he he might get like when the shot clock breaks down and stuff like that he might get something there um obviously he’s GNA play when dear Fox isn’t on the floor so he’ll he’ll obviously have more more of a c cart blanch to do what he wants to at that moment in time but the Kings play basketball that’s where the right there what you just said Ron that’s where the isolations are are going to come in that free flowing offense we don’t necessarily have to run sets to get isos we can I could get on a on a on a curl cut I could get on a down screen I could get in transition I could get an isolation so in fact I think he’s going to get more isolations than you think because of how fast Sacramento plays and it might not look like it because you’re not running a double screen where Demar de R Roan comes off with double screen and you clean out the left side of the floor you clean out the right side of the floor you get him on the elbow and it’s just him and another guy no I think it’s going to be a lot different where you get a lot of action and with the action that you get when he’s coming off the screen it’s just him and one him and somebody else one-on-one and there other stuff going on and he ends up taking the guy so I think he’s gonna get isolated a lot more because of that action that you talk about I think the problem here is DeMar rosen with the basketball is a completely different player than Demar d r rozan without the basketball correct right so you got got like Harrison Barnes right even if you consider Harrison Barn more of a stationary shooter Corner shooter than a movement shooter you get a guy like Kevin herder who in the first year when the kings were good you know and that they light the beam and they lit the beam all over the NBA Kevin herder was a very important part of that I feel like last year he got a little bit more buried in my opinion a little bit more buried when you say buried do you mean hurt and wasn’t even on the floor is that what you mean by bar that’s what happened we don’t we don’t don’t look the same we don’t look the same without Kevin herder on the floor if we don’t replace that with a shooter so I understand shooting is very important espe it’s not it’s not just shooting it’s not shooting it’s moving and that’s what that’s and that’s what we do we don’t we don’t just we don’t just catch and stand and shoot we’re moving Kevin Kevin herder and Keegan Murray they’re coming off the down picks a movement shooter he doesn’t have to be that’s I’m that’s that’s why I need y’all to start understanding I need y to understand that we don’t got to do the same thing over and over you don’t I don’t he doesn’t have to do what he does on the basketball court it’s like keevin dear de Rosen brings something that we did not have okay you know what I mean so that’s that’s where that’s where he increases seems it seems like you’re putting something in the computer and it’s coming back like that’s not basketball you know what I’m saying like and on top of that on top of that Coach Brown is he do if y’all think that y’all see something that Coach Brown doesn’t see if y’all think that that we’re sitting here talking about this Co Brown isn’t on his whiteboard with his assistance having a war room figuring out how are we going to implement dear rosan into this how how are we how are we going to how are we gonna get how are we gonna make this happen are we gonna play dear Rosen the same way we played Kevin herder no are we gonna do the same thing with dear Rosen that we do with with uh uh Keegan Murray no because they’re not bra they’re not brain head coaches like you got you gotta be brain dead to think that I’m gonna play dear Rosen in the same way I play Kevin her you know why the Mavericks signed Klay Thompson no I don’t because it makes life easier for the top two guys that’s why that’s how that’s why rosters are constructed top down not bottom up okay my issue with this entire thing and if I could sum it up like this I don’t if I’m an opposing team are you talking about Mike Brown at his whiteboard well let me tell you there’s 29 coaches at their whiteboard and you know what I’m writing on my whiteboard if I’m one of those 29 coaches I don’t care about demard Rosen inside of 20 feet 18 feet which means you can run around because he’s a 29% three-point shooter on his career and he does not take a high volume of them and he has never Tak but why why are you not why are you not worried about him why are you not worried about him inside 20 20 feet Co that’s that’s fine why would okay hold on which means that in order for him to be on my radar as in yo send something to him help he has to have the ball in his hands which is not necessarily a great thing if I have better creators than him better downhill attackers more efficient paint finishers like Malik monk or you know de fox or whatever if I believe that those guys it’s a lot of redundancy is what I’m saying you you’ve added a lot of redundancy Demar de rozan is is a very good player I just feel like too much of a good thing can be a bad thing if you get my drift his like like what he does what his what his best skill is don’t don’t don’t worry about the stimulation don’t worry about you know hypothetical don’t worry about 2k I’m saying what his best role is is as a secondary or primary Creator on maybe an elite spacing team that can make up for the fact that teams don’t guard him above the break they don’t guard him in the corner and when he doesn’t have the basketball you’re in trouble because his Defender is always going to be sagging in the middle always going to be sagging the passing Lane always going to be looking off of him and that’s the problem you put him in the corner you run him off a pistol action you run him whatever you unless you put the ball in his hands or you put him in the dunker spot or you put him in the mid post and by the way those spaces are occupied on the court right now where are you putting him if you’re putting sabonis there and you can say movement movement movement movement doesn’t matter it doesn’t matter you not watch do you not watch this play of course when is the Monas just sitting on sitting on the Block when is the montis sitting on the on the in the D Spot when is the when is the montis in these spots that you’re talking about when is damont standing in the corner when is that happening P I’m not talking about damont standing in the corner I’m saying you said the Occupy occupy by we got in a bunch of is occupying the same space he is occupying the same space in your lineup as Harrison Barnes so while I understand the argument that the Casual fan will say demard de R rozan is better than Harrison Barnes no debate here I agree with that I’m saying for what you’re trying to do which is to create space and opportunity for your two best players which are damont sabonis and Deen Fox who is doing a better job at creating space for those players because again he’s not Klay Thompson Demar de Rosen is not a threat he’s not like you understand like people say this guy can shoot because he shot 32% I promise you there’s not a team in the league that is guarding a 32% three-point shooter they’re daring him to shoot because that’s a bad shot that’s 5% below League average you’re not guarding a guy at that and it’s honestly there are guys who are 38% three-point Shooters they’re not guarded either because they don’t take enough you got but you got you got to understand that there’s adjustments made I’m it’s not just it’s not just as simple as oh it’s not just as simple as oh we traded Harrison it’s not it’s not just as simple as we traded Harrison Barnes now we got DeMar rosen now we put DeMar rosen with Harrison Barnes that’s just not how you do it no you’re gonna run different stuff for him he’s gonna have different responsibilities but I’m saying what can you do with him that helps dearn Fox and damont sabonis what can he do without the basketball now I’m he can move without the ball that’s how you do you move anywhere you want I’m not guarding you what is he a great screener you’re not guarding you he’s not a great screener what what are we talking about not so so you don’t so you don’t so you don’t guard you don’t guard Cutters just because just you’re telling me if some wait wait no no P we got to stop the [ __ ] you’re telling me that if because somebody because somebody’s a bad shooter that means I’m not gonna guard them when they cut that’s how a not a bad shooter a bad long ball shooter those not the same right a a great mid-range shooter what you’re telling me is that because this guy can’t shoot threes what did you say you said I’m G to look off of him I’m G to Sag off I’m building I’m building a wall inside 20 feet it’s called the I don’t care about demard de R rozan inside a wall inside 20 fet that’s gonna that’s gonna I don’t care about dear in that zone but the truth is that dear has always been able to attack off the dribble so when you sag off he attacks and that is how he makes up the Gap now you’re saying off the ball he can cut okay and he’s going to get back door Cuts set a weapon screen off that if that is what you’re saying then you are you are basically redefining who demard D rzan is as a player you are asking him to do something that I have never seen him do effectively in my life now if he can do that you y’all got a great player still lot of worries about pin pin pin pin wait a second wait a second wa a second so we’re questioning we’re questioning whether or not dear Rosen can be a a cutter a slasher and set off ball screens we’re question I’m not asking if I’m not I’m not questioning if he can do that he’s a professional basketball player no [ __ ] can do that I’m asking can do that at an efficient enough rate to help your other players because he’s not the most important player on your team he’s not the second most important player on the team and Frank he by the end of this contract or by the middle of this contract he might not be the third best player on your team but pin I think years old but P already CLE but p I think that we’re getting off of what exactly Demar de rozan is for This Crew like we can’t leave out when guys get on teams what they’re brought there for he a 24 game guy you talk about him screen now now we want to turn him an off now we’re gonna turn him into an off ball screener now we’re gonna turn him into a a a playmaker that’s driving addition now we gonna turn him into all that stuff right I understand that but he’s been doing a lot of the stuff that you talking about he might not do it at the rate that you’d like him to do it but he’s been doing that stuff throughout his career he does play off the basketball in fact I feel like his better years were when he played with Kyle Lowry off the basketball I thought those were I thought those was his best years when he played the two guard to be quite honest with you but with that being said now playing in an offense with Mike Brown who will put him in different spaces he’s not going to leave him at the long ball line because that’s not his game that’s not what he’s there for but he will put him in the dunker spot he will put him on the Baseline because he’s a slasher because he’s got a damn good mid-range game and that’s gonna move defenses that’s GNA drag defenses away from the basket and with him being able to do that dear de rozan has a very lit very it’s very it’s very difficult to keep Demar de rozan away from the basket throughout his career he’s always been one of the better guys who can get to the rim always been his career no matter who’s been in front of him he’s always been able to do that so the the the the idea with Demar de rozan is we know who he is as a bucket getter and that’s who he’s gonna be how he’s gonna be used Mike Brown can come up with a with a number of different ways to use him without having to solely use him or primarily use him on the long ball line fellas I gotta step in and I gotta ask you Mars because I’ve seen you draw up magnificent plays in so much I can’t believe that you don’t have a head coaching job Mars Mars ain’t running nothing for me ever Mars nut runs nothing for me we not running we not running pups man we good don’t drw nothing for me ever I could play I could play 18 feet Mar don’t run nothing for me if you can play 22 I’d have you but 18 dude don’t run nothing for me Mars let’s pretend like you are the Sacramento King’s coach your name is Mars Brown okay Mars Brown what are you scheming up for DeMar rosen or how does he fit in your offense um put his face on his on his he’s so frustrated um I think I’m not gonna I agree with like but besides of what everything that’s been said um I think one thing that dear I’m going to get to the answer one thing that Zar provides I think is a nice um contingency plan when possessions fizzle out you’ve got one of the best shot makers in the league um the value of mid-range Shots by the analytics Community has been kind of poo pooed recently I think it’s gone kind of too far the other way they have value um especially in late clock situations where you’re not going to generate a good shot having someone who can make mid-range shots at an elite clip like dear he’s always at the top of the league in volume and efficiency on mid-range shots that that’s great contingency him being a shot maker he doesn’t really need too much that’s great um I think the best way to use dear on the Kings would be I mean I think I don’t think he’s going to share the court with dear Fox a whole lot obviously they’re going to start together but I don’t think they’re going to share the court a whole lot um I think what what dear provides is when they go to lineups without dearon and it’s Malik out there defensively okay you’re going to give up some but you can have keonis out there Keegan um who’s that backup f is Alex L yeah they don’t they don’t have one right now they absolutely need yeah they need a backup hey Robert Williams Oh but um so but I think the way you use um Demar off the ball because on the ball I think there’s not really many questions about dear um you’re going to use him probably high pick and roll um a lot of the action they using like in terms of Demar if dear comes off screens pistol or Zoom or whatever the case you’re going to be you can get him to the Elbow now where the bonus positions himself in those spots I mean you’ll probably use him as an offensive rebounder or an off ball screener for like Kevin hter coming off so that sabonis is providing the spacing because he’s setting the screens for Dangerous shooters or you put him in the dunkers for offensive rebounds um I think but off the ball like for example if you got pistol with dearon and you have dear in the opposite side slot because dearon coming off towards his left hand towards the rim is so dangerous you’re going to have to commit two to the ball often in those situations is sabonis Defender and diar and they’re going to follow him but that obviously means that now sabonis is on the rooll in the pocket or whatever so you have to commit the weak side Defender to sabonis if you have di dear in that slot usually they’re going to help off of him to go tag sabonis that’s where dear can be unlocked as a cutter as a mover and he can cut into that empty space and he can finish and he’s still a very good athlete even though he is 35 next month I think but those are the sports where I think if you’re going to run sets for other people dear’s people’s willingness to help off of dear can be used against them in terms of the form of cuts and all of those things because you’re giving dear empty space to run into now it turns into Kar and make those reads can Malik make those reads sabon like sabonis in the short rle for example because teams are going to come off the screen with Malik they’re going to put two on the ball sabonis in a short rle dear doesn’t have to be spotting up in that situation Kingo Kingo R he’s not as athletic as kaminga but you can have him along the Baseline he can make those reads and then even if they do pick up on that then you’ve got Demar post-ups it just flows effortlessly into post-ups and DeMar rosen he’s 66 one of the best post Wings in the league not many wings in the league can defend post UPS consistently anyway so you’ve got now that’s another option and even if your offense Fizzles out you have other options and then maybe you send a double and Demar can make reads out of the doubles and now diar in a short catch and shoot threes at a very high clip for a while now it’s like two or two years he shot like 38 39% on catching shoot threes I think so he’s capable Malik mon is like 40% on wide open threes he doesn’t really miss wide open threes Keon Ellis has made made open threes um at a good CL like the only non-shooters and Keegan is obvious is sabonis and dear but I think sabonis his value as an offensive rebounder creating extra possessions you can have him in the dunker spot and teams don’t want to leave him because of the fact that you have to box him out and if you don’t and if you do leave him to box out sabona can either get a dump of pass or you you shoot and he’s got an open offensive rebound he’s maybe the best rebounder in the league so I think it can work but now you come up against the more versatile defenses I think that’s where you might run into some problems but I’m with Penn on that offensively I’m not as concerned defensively is where I have the wors Demar I don’t think he a good def especially on the ball I think he’s a terrible on ball Defender off the ball I think Chicago have used him relatively well in terms of like as a RoR he’s got solid hands and he’s kind of away from the action so like you can hide him but the Kings lack versatility on that end I like Keon Ellis’s defense but he’s kind of limited to ones and twos some threes dearin is pretty much limited to all guards you can’t do much else with him other than guards point of attack he’s got great hands all of those things no I I seen him get big on DRM down there on the Block bu of time Draymond no no no okay cool Draymond Green Draymond Green okay um and then so then you got you ever heard the term Draymond stopper neither have I the first the first and then obviously Jamar is not the best defender so you come up against teams like OKC where runs point about the size thing where I thought he was going to go was I thought when he’s picked the Kings and that’s I was confused the S I agree that the Kings might be bigger in terms of height and then weight and strength but the OKC are built to capitalize on weak interior defense they drive more than anyone in the league the Kings don’t have guys who can contain drives consistently especially when you have dear out there and dearon fox is at a size dis advantage and you can’t switch anything because diaran and Keon are both not very switchable above ones and twos so you go up against the the Thunder who everything is about getting cross matches everything is about getting to the rim and collapsing the defense everything is about heavy isolation dear can’t hide anywhere you’re probably gonna end up putting him on ludor or Caruso but the issue is Caruso in Chicago this year next to Demar showed his capabilities as a screener showed his capability in the four on three showed his capability as a spot up shooter that Josh giddy absolutely was not so you can’t you can’t really hide anyone and you have to try to keep sa bonus near the rim even though he’s not a great rim protector but because you can’t have him on the outside but cck causes those matchup issues and when I said he would get valent tunist I didn’t mean he would get played off the court because you’re going to need to bonus out there offensively but while he’s out there defensively he’s GNA get picked on just like valent chunis was because he can’t guard cat and even if you don’t buy into Chet’s offense just the fact that he is a crossmatch the fact that when they’re running in transition they’re setting little rip screens for him so he can get to the wing and now you’ve got you got a wing on chat and now there’s a sabonis is having to guard someone else and now they setting up isolations but now sabonis can’t help the rim because he’s guarding a shooter on the outside it just causes a bunch of Mayhem and mismatches and that’s why I don’t think they could go OKC I think he run into those problems against Denver also because I mean you’ve got to keep sabonis on joic but joic is often operating as the high post Hub you’re now taking sabonis away from the rim you’re gonna have dear down there dear can’t protect the rim you’re gonna have Keegan trying to chase around someone so now mpj is 610 being Guided by who DeMar rosen I I think they’re a bad mismatch defensively so even if I think that offense is good and I think you can make Demar work even though it’s not a seamless fit defensively is where I just I don’t think they’re good enough to be put in definitely not favorites but even in the contenders category I think they fall short of the Minnesota Tims the OKC Thunder the Denver Nuggets the I’m I don’t know about the grizzly I’m really high on the Griz so but like yeah I think they’re in like that we got ax is number one look at look at D look at DMO mad because they a get the more look look at look at DMO down there pissed because they a’t get de more well he he said the thing that Penn said um Harrison bars to dear that that’s I mean that’s the simplistic way of looking at it that’s a simp yeah dear is better than Harrison Barnes but this goes back to the conversation we had about KD and Steph Talent over fit I think Harrison Barnes you could I’m still think the kings are probably better off because of this but you can make the argument that Haring Harrison Barnes after all the [ __ ] I’m not bar guy but I’m say I’m saying the kings are better and I’m saying the kings are better but you can argue that Harrison Barnes fit makes more sense than dear’s fit does I’m of the belief that the kings are still better off right now than they were two days ago Harrison win team and you can make that argument so I just think just saying well they went from Harrison Barnes to dear oh well that’s what that matters like there’s a lot of nuance that goes into it more than just that because we can understand that adding Russell Westbrook to the Lakers over cas kcp guess who the better player is Russell Westbrook was better than kcp but we understood it’s about F okay we’re not going to add like 21 Russ was better than not I’m not doing that Russell Westbrook was a better player than Mar we don’t got to do that Mars we don’t have but we but we understood but we understood that kcp was a better fit because talent doesn’t always beat fit when you say better you mean Talent he’s more talented or yes more talented he was a better he was a better player ACP in the whole conversation Talent Russ ENT than kcp but we all understood kcp made more sense for the Lakers we all understood it and it can be similar withar and Harrison I don’t is is is it fair to say that the that we we’re not sure yet based on is it gonna be just a takeout and plug in like are are we expect are we expecting Coach Brown to just plug Dem Mar in to what he had Harrison Barnes I don’t think at all so why that’s why I say I think it’ll work I think it’ll work out obviously I’m I’m optimistic about it obviously because I think we got we got a better player in the package with all du respect to Harrison y’all know I love Harrison but I do see it as we we got more options now and I think I think coach I think Coach Brown is is it was I think everybody was tired of us kind of doing that same thing with the offense like that’s how that’s how uh that’s how coach that’s that’s how that’s how coach Kirk hooked us with that dropping dropping off uh Dro off demontis and Mike and Coach Brown not making the adjustment that’s when that’s when what pin I think what maybe that’s not what you were saying P I guess I did misunderstand you but that’s when we want to bring damont onto the Baseline onto the block instead of doing that up top handoff thing so now we got dear I think we can change our offense and and do different things you know what I’m saying we can work out different ways because we got a a better mid-range score a guy that we can go to in the iso a guard that we can finally post up like we we haven’t had that we we haven’t had that in the past two three seasons we haven’t had a guard that we can post up we haven’t had somebody that we can go to except for except for um Malik and dear when when the shot clock is running down we haven’t had I mean obviously obviously Daren is is was a monster in the mid-range but he’s not like Demar de R Roa you know what I’m saying and then L don’t know what he talking about don’t worry about that fellas I gotta step in to salute the chat tell everybody what’s up man hey chat it’s been a while since we had some good dialogue man how y’all doing man spam the chat let me know how how you guys’ weekend was it could be one word could just be one word could be good could be bad or y’all could be like yeah man I did this on Friday I did this on Saturday man yeah let’s let’s conversate chat let’s let’s talk about how the weekend was uh me personally I had a fantastic weekend Olympic qualifying rounds that was amazing we about to talk about the four teams that Advance the Olympics California summer league we’re gonna talk about that as well um also too the uh the Utah Jaz summer league that’s starting today as well so we about to have two different summer leagues going on so we’ll definitely get 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okay all right we go got we got new Birch man y’all go ahead and check that out uh you can scan the QR code right there right below chill players choice merch.com go check out some new stuff go check out some old stuff also it’s a new league that’s coming up to take the summer by storm and me and all my guys up here and some other guys that are on the screen is going to be there is the PC L it starts July 24th seven-week tournament NBA debate league it’s going to be crazy I know you guys have seen some of our some of our battle cards some of our debate cards we’ve had good matchups and whatnot well imagine 16 contestants going mono monu week after week after week and then we get to the playoffs and it’s a round the 16 tournament losers out I don’t know why you need 15 other people to just give me the give me the win at the end but you just you waste your you waste your seven weeks we know where we know where this is going that was uncalled for but it’s not uncalled for that was you better not end up in my bracket I’m take I’m take that hoodie take that hoodie off you too I didn’t get one of these hoodies and I’m sitting here and I’m I’m I’m I’m I’m okay I’m rubbing my hands together like I’m feeling this is my Jordan moment my my Rec on to me no hoodie no T-shirt y’all even send me a tank top if if you if if you if you win I I’ll I’ll I’ll send you a bunch of hoodies personally because will you sign them no that’s if that’s what you want if that’s what you want I know I I’m not at risk of all right the people the people know my record on PC debate it’s cool said the people know my name yeah like KD said I’m Kevin Durant I ain’t gonna prove myself to beat Pat Bev like what we talking about you Kevin Durant so I can expect I can expect you to join my team after I win all right that’s good I’m more if I had to compare myself so undefeated but the best player I mean the only comparison is really MJ but I don’t want to be MJ so like just better like that’s really I’m just better but it’s cool all right yo what’s good DMO what up what up what up pass that my dude you know I will chill thank you very much sir thank you very much all right y’all Let’s uh keep it lit we got some super chats we gonna dive into these and then we gonna move into the next best topic I’m sorry I’m I’m I’m a bit of a competitor here pen you want that work you get it the competition comes out of me it just happens I’m I’m I’m with all the smoke I ain’t with some of it or most of it I’m with all of it bring your ass cause I’m with it please yes sir you know what’s funny um I have the brackets right here in front of me I won’t reveal anything until it’s time to drop it but one of y’all might be in the same division one of y’all might have to see each other a couple times throughout the PC yeah bro there’s 16 people we know that not everybody’s going to be R me personally I would I would have that pass but you know wait Ron you can be in no I’m G let y’all have it I’ll probably come in season two and take it by storm so unless y’all want me to I’ll G take this Sacramento piece of [ __ ] off I’ll goon put on my beater oh a I ain’t mean that I I know you were still here I really g mean that Mars asked me the wrong question and I you know you know sometimes all right man all you know sometimes I say things I don’t mean dama hey dama what’s up what’s up we are the champions We Are the Champions Hey Summer League champions I what Champions you talking about I’m say I don’t know about we the Champions right now well I’ll tell you right now if you if you check Vegas betting odds for Sacramento Kings winning a championship you really believe that you you about to buy a mansion bro because those odds are about to be real low lost I got a better chance of making the NBA Summer League I got a better chance of get a 10day next year than Sacramento Kings got to winning a championship that’s not you know it’s equivalent it’s both both things have zero% chance happen say that seven games Champion I’m about to go I’m about I’m about to pull up to the CU I don’t like the bet on the app so I don’t trust that so I’m G just go to the casino get the strip and hang it up right here remember I did that the last year and we got kicked out in the first round but so you might know about we the Champions I I don’t know about Champions but y’all definitely got better I give you that I like the move yall I think y’all gotten better now how much better definitely needs to be seen better than the Lakers better than the Lakers yeah I’m say well I don’t know about beforehand but I say they better than us now um Turner Harris and Barnes and D rozan I do feel you Mars it might not be the absolute best perfect fit but that’s a plus in any situation I’m sorry Harrison turning Harrison Barnes into Demar is a plus I don’t know how that can even be argued outside of oh it’s just not the best fit I think with the hoopers they got with if this was to me if and I’m pretty sure y’all talk enough about the Kings I just throw this two cents out there if this was the dearon fox that was deemed a rim Runner and his outside shot wasn’t there and he wasn’t able to score on three levels the way he is now especially after working with curry I would be concerned because you would have two guys who genuinely need to be inside the ark and score um I understand sabonis isn’t the best uh floor spacer but it’s not a guy that’s just he has to be at The Rim to be effectful uh to be impactful he can be a screen Setter he’s a guy that can distribute and playmake as well so he can still be pulled away from the basket to give dear um Lanes to be able to operate and maneuver and dear is just that veteran gu that they can get to get a bucket outside of dearon fox they did have injury uh problems last year that’s a guy if he’s healthy and there’s a time where dearon or sabonis is isn’t there that’s a guy that can look at that had like you said he was on a 73- win team that was 10 years ago so this is a vet this is a a true glue vet guy on a team that’s trying to take that next step that they know hey if we need a bucket give Demar a bucket like I If there’s one thing Demar can do is get you a bucket at this point so I feel that’s fine the defense he’s not gonna be a good Defender but on their part they got three phenomenal guard Defenders down there I don’t know what they’re about to do have they got um have they done anything with Davon yet no he they have two phenomenal guard you know so I mean I don’t think they’re going to be the worst defense in the NBA as is what were yall last year I don’t think y were the worst last year probably mid yeah they were mid tier were really good at the ends of the season but that was in part because Malik and Kevin Hur went down so Keon Ellis had to play more yeah I do still got Keon so they still got three good guard Defenders down there um no let me stop I I I just I don’t see the push back to where we’re not going to sit there and act like the Kings got better or they’re a better team now unless your argument is solely this just isn’t the absolute best fit because I I did hear Mars talking about fit and Mars knows I’m a fit guy yeah uh I gotta ask and this is only for dammo and Bob I’m going to go down every team one through 10 in the Western Conference from last year oh you don’t want to include 11 interesting okay and and I need you guys to tell me do the Kings winning the seven game series versus this team yes or no we were three and 0 against the Kings lost here too by the way but Ron don’t want to include us well see Mars here’s the thing we already talked about one was hurt we we already talked about one I’ve got everybody’s opinion on OKC so Mars we could watch out was three and0 against them oh but when the Kings beat the Lakers soers against when the Rockets be the kingy hear I’m not trying to hear I’m the Phoenix Suns was three and0 against Minnesota Minnesota put a broom for them guess what before the series we spoke about it so don’t try and tell me now it didn’t matter because before that series started we spoke about the Suns beating the Minnesota Timol every time they played this season and somehow all of a sudden I can’t talk about the fact that the Rockets beat the Kings every time he played last season and it doesn’t matter but when the Kings play the Lakers oh my God ad doesn’t want to seeus the Kings always beat the Lakers that’s important but I say about the Rockets all of a sudden that doesn’t matter just you I a saying it didn’t matter M no no I ain’t saying it didn’t matter you talk you you just bringing it up that’s what you’re doing you bring we should be inclused in these okay so you bringing up the same thing that we’ve been talking about you oh I’m gonna read one through 10 but you don’t want to read about the Rockets n see I’ll run I’ll host who the king I’m gonna read one through nine um all right first team we talked about OKC ax I got your your take on that but DMO Kings versus OKC who wins seven game series you’re muted but OKC and six I’m sorry OKC all right moving along to number two the Denver Nuggets that’s currently constructed versus the Kings that’s currently constructed who wins this series ax uh Kings and seven DMO Okay C versus who I’m sorry I mean the Kings versus who my bad the Nuggets give me Kings and six man differ is over you hate the Nuggets that much Denver’s over man kyp’s gone all that Denver’s just losing players they’re not scary no more man I’m not worried about them all right we got the Kings the timber wolves just you ain’t scared so I would probably have to be realistic and say wolves and seven and [ __ ] could be six depending on how uh you know how how cat’s playing wolves and six all right the Kings versus the Clippers beating that ass oh five five in facts five give it give it to us some five getting smok maybe the Sacramento Kings versus the Dallas Mavericks Mavs and four four Kings Kings Kings and kings and six six maybe seven all right they do got clay now R they do got clay Kings in seven seven give we got it in seven clay games to Klay you I love I love Klay Thompson I do too but I mean damn all right whatever Sacramento Kings versus the Phoenix Suns who y’all got Kings and Four Kings and five Kings and five the Sacramento Kings versus the New Orleans Pelicans oh [ __ ] Kings in five Kings in five Pelicans in five oh yeah I forgot you are deadly terrified them him for real for real PS on them my fault PS and four my bad I forgot who I talking houst okay interesting the Los Angeles Lakers versus the Sacramento Kings uh Kings and six see man what people don’t understand is here we go here we go we this Laker team ain’t gonna be the Laker team in playoffs I’m convinced so because y’all don’t know FP y’all don’t know what I know man y’all don’t know what I know I got I’m tapped in all my complaining about the Lakers really got me in the front office I’m tapped in now Rob pelinka about to cook realize I called him his last name that’s how you know G him p and you changed I called him pinka because now my sources is telling me some things man so Lakers in six we’re good we’re okay kitchen asking for ideas my inside think they about to get Trey young I’m trying to figure getting young you’ll see don’t worry about it I can’t say too much I’m under NDA with LA can’t talk about it just know this ain’t about to be the same team man we about to pinka got something up his up his wing see play Words I see what you did I like that DMO all right next team that we got uh well I can’t really use the Kings because they’re eight seed so I’m gonna go with the next team we got the Sacramento Kings versus the Golden State Warriors Kings in five Kings and three unless they get Lori if they get Lori then Kings and six which by the way Ox I’m glad you brought that up can we dead the Lori marketing trade rumors Danny a is not giving him away this is all smoke and mirrors he’s not let’s K it already I think there was report this weekend that said that t that said that he’s that not he’s not really on on the table he he never was this was all smoking mirrors I know Danny a Danny a went to the red arback school that’s how he ended up with Jason Tatum that’s how red arback ended up with Kevin mccale no man I’m not he he had no intention in moving Lori marketing none whatsoever none see chill you practice The Art of War you know you’re enemy thing is like when you have a very high highly valuable commodity it is actually in your best interest to shop him because every time you have a trade negotiation with a team you are getting Intel on that team who they value who they don’t value so if you see a you see a guy being available all the time you know you can poach him in free agency they’re not going to match the restricted free agency so you get a real good gauge I think the Raptors did this with OG and Pascal they literally shopped them for three years they got Intel on everybody they know how everybody feels you know what I mean so you get a three-way and then everyone’s like oh I want Alex Caruso in that three-way it’s like oh I know now this team likes Alex kuso we get that you know so it’s it’s important so it’s Danny a works that way too he’s always worked that way I had never thought of that ever I haven’t either that was fire pin learn something new every day there you go um all right so that was a good segment um was good to talk about the playoff teams that you know what last but certainly not least we got the Sacramento Kings versus the Houston Rockets yeah seven game series who y’all got as much as as much as I like Houston I really do like Houston I’ve become a fan of Houston and Ron you know I’ve been a fan of Jaylen green since I heard about him he was a junior in high school I love Jaylen green um but I got Kings in five yeah we got game let’s go five or six I think I got Kings at five or six for sure I like s goon too I think I think s goon’s gonna be bad soon bro I like singon a lot I think they yall ax that I think that Houston is Sacramento two years ago I think they a top five SE that good I do yo I think that they gonna be that good this year I think their defense is gonna be way better I think that Jaylen green takes that jump I think he’s gonna be one of the better two guards in the game this year singon staying healthy I think his I think his floor game in terms of where he’s where where he is on the wing I think he stretches that out even more I think that Jabari Smith who y’all know how I feel about him I think he comes back in even better offensive and defensive player I think this year they you got guys from two years ago I think he is jaar is jaar is Jabari better than Keegan I would take him over Keegan Murphy to be honest with you I would you would he’s also three years younger can we factor that in which Matters by the way and he’s bigger and he’s more I’m not I’m not talking about who who would you take like on your right now team so player for play player for player yeah he is Keegan is yeah player player for player I think Jabari Smith is a better player than Keegan Murray if player player for player if we did I think I think it’s I think is so close I I can’t really say I I think I probably would I think I got Keegan just barely though but if you if you look at it like who would you take and so you add a you add age into it I’m fine with taking Jabari I could I could 100% get behind I think Keegan’s better now but I think Jabari hopefully should be better long term he works really hard where’s the Gap at because I because what I’m looking at I’m looking at keeg Murray his ability to shoot the long ball I think that that’s the separator other than that I don’t see much of I I don’t see much of a difference and I think on the defensive side of the basketball that closes that long ball Gap even more you think he you think jabari’s better than him on defense I do yes really really I I don’t think so I don’t jaar’s bigger bger I just feel like I feel like jab I feel like Jabari his ability to to cover on screens is better and I feel like he a better recovery Defender than Keegan Murray I definitely think that that is true and he can he can guard he can guard different places on the court but where Keegan is guarding right now for the Kings he is better he is the he is better at his role than Jabari is at his role at this time is I think the best way I would put it and but again when you draft an older guy which the Sacramento Kings have been known to do over and over and over again um you have to factor in how much guys develop between the ages of especially 16 to 26 that Gap right so that that jump you know I I I was a little bit down on Keegan Murray my boy he was like a little bit worried when they passed on jayen I and I was like yo Keegan Murray’s a really good player he might be one of the most error he’s like one of the most error free basketball players i’ ever seen in my life in college and I was I was high on him I get it you know your your organization he’s a good culture guy but don’t be surprised if there’s that Quantum Leap coming for Jabari at some point and we don’t know when that Prospect takes that leap right you said ER like doesn’t make mistakes he’s error free as a basketball player he’s a very um I want to say like cautious basketball player he’s just a very smart basketball player he doesn’t do too much stupid stuff on the basketball court most players most especially most young players you probably point to about 35 50 50 mistakes they make every single game if you really break down their film with him I was looking at some of his tape in Iowa I’m like this guy didn’t make 10 mistakes this whole game this crazy so he’s a really smart basketball player and I was like this is going to be great for you know any system that requires as many decisions as a king system is going to require a very smart player to play right away and that’s where I think the Gap was where it’s intellectually so far ahead but Jabari has the Gap in terms of physique you know size length age everything and then of course the positional def uh you know defensive versatility of being able to guard all three levels of the floor is is crazy to me so Jabari like if he pops he’s a monster ke if Keegan pops he’s a three- time Allstar that’s difference what was jaari taking at number three number three and Keegan was three too right no four same I know one thing and I know these are both young guys and you guys know I always expect young guys to get better under under NBA development and just with AE and stuff like that Pinas said 16 to 26 I’m always expecting guys to get better year after year but I got I got high hopes for both of these guys and I I want to see them both reach their potential but more so um I I I don’t I don’t have too big of concerns about Jabari can I sell you Myan Hayes Jersey for like two doll take you believe in you give me you take you me a150 for my Killian hay Jersey I I got $3 last do that9 shipping and handling though you never you never K Killian might make a comeback like Dante xim or something I believe in him I believe in man I believe I do you you said something a minute ago chill I’m sorry y’all I just got to since we are talking about the Kings right now the title uh I’m not gonna take up too much time but you said something about the Rockets being the kings of two years ago and I want y’all to understand how good we were that year I’m trying to tell y’all we were a lot better than we even looked like we were better than that Warriors team but Steph Curry you know what I’m saying Steph C you know what I’m saying but we were better than him I want to let y’all know if it wasn’t for that 50 [ __ ] 51 point game seven we were going to the Western Conference Finals y I’m just trying play round the Lakers the Lakers and you know the regular season record against the Lakers you know they we were we were really good that year CH it it wasn’t just because we snuck up on people we were really good that year I just think that we got a trend going on here and with the trend that we have going on here every year we have a surprising team and if you think about Memphis Memphis was in the playing tournament the next year they’re the number two seed the year after that Sacramento doesn’t make the playoffs they’re the number three seed the year after that Oklahoma City doesn’t make the playoffs they’re the number one overall seed I think Houston is up next considering everything that they’ve done with their unit how much better e udoka has gotten as a coach the schemes that he runs what he’s gotten out of Jaylen green how much harder he’s gotten Jaylen green to play not just how much harder he’s gotten Jaylen green to play how much those young guys because they see the leadership of Coach Oka how much they’re bought in to the to the schemes and the philosophies of what they’re doing because they were 100% Romper Room with Silas 100% it was nothing going on these dudes was hanging from chandeliers flipping over tables wasn’t nothing going on in there o you walk in the house and the kids food all over the place ain’t nobody cleaning up around here udoka came in go where your mother at everybody sit down this is what we gonna do around here and he cleaned that crew up man he cleaned up that crew man and and and I like the direction that they’re going in I do I really like the direction they’re going in I think that they’re going to be a top five seed this year chill can I run something by you I want to say that you’re on to something you’re in the right state right area if you say the Spurs are going to be better just the wrong City just the wrong City this is all I’m gon say this is all I’m gon say this all I’m gon say Stefan castle look nice in the summer league they got Chris Paul right down on they just got Harrison Barnes wimy gigantic leap look look wimy wmy is going to take a leap from year one and it’s gonna look like he took a leap to year five oh he gonna be he gonna be 2012 KD next year relax Ron Hey Ron see said I was right and you’re thinking about it Ron that did not come out my mouth Mar all all I’m saying is it’s not farfetched for the Spurs to take a leap and be that team I’m not saying that they’re gonna a leap right you know what you know what he’s not wrong he’s not wrong was in the year it’s crazy the fact that this guy works as hard as he does the fact that he has the habits that he has his trajectory is honestly it’s unprecedented I want to say I haven’t seen anything like this in my life that wouldn’t even be cap his his age his physique he’s not dominating the way Shaq was dominating he’s dominating through just sheer force of physiques like physics and you put smart basketball players around this guy let’s be honest right now Spurs weren’t trying to win basketball games last year running Jeremy soan at point guards deliberately sabotaging your offense to develop killing us absolutely but that’s a development play you are developing what you hope to be a Kyle Anderson like point forward at the expense of winning because winning doesn’t matter but the player that Wendi ended the season as is one of the better players in the Western Conference I’m not I’m not going to tell you where he is in the Western Conference but he’s better than a lot of guys all all NBA pen can we say that about Jaylen green we could say the same thing about him you cannot put Jaylen green and andama I will take 500 wait a minute I I I sat here and listen to you dudes compare thirdy year Jaylen green to third year Kobe Bryant all an all that year that’s what I’m listening to it was Bill Simmons that said it and then you brought it up on the panel and Bill Simmons is still butt hurt over the fact that Jaylen green was not happy with him and he had him on his podcast so he now he’s just he just gassing up J me DAV no no no sorry sorry sorry look okay sorry sorry you can go off one David blames me once again Bill Simmons said it on his podcast chill sent it to me on telegram I seen it then the next panel episode chill brought it up not me we just ended up talking about it and I said this is what I said verbatim you can find it I said is it crazy to say that year three Kobe never had a 12 game stretch as good as the stretch Jaylen green just had that’s all I said I never said comparing the two yeah I never said he was a better player than the whole of year three Kobe I never said he was comparable I said Jaylen green for that 12 games where he was like 28 a game on like 65 true shooting did Kobe Bryant have a stretch that good that’s all I said and I’m also not comparing him to Wy I’m not doing that either but don’t try to blame me for the year three Kobe conversation I never started it the first to bring it up and I never brought it to this channel when when I when I brought it up when I brought it up there were some people who didn’t hate it so I’m thinking of myself well if we’re comparing Bryant and Jaylen green considering the end of the year Jaylen green had like he’s basically on the same level as BR this is what I’m listening to now on the same level as him an all pro who Bryant was can that go into next year and him actually Elevate his game which I think he’s going to do anyway I’m G just say this gonna do if you’re a lottery team I don’t give a I don’t give a [ __ ] about your April stats no one is taking you seriously at that point to the playoffs though like we were playing for something just to like no that’s that’s fair Warriors that’s fair and and you know you you might say that he caught you know he caught a rhythm you know Jaylen Green’s pretty streaky in my opinion anyway so he might have caught a rhythm and whatever but nothing we have seen right to date unless we’re talking unprecedented fallof for Wy and unprecedented rise for Joe and green should put these two prospects in the same conversation there’s no one on the Rockets no offense I like a lot of the young players on the rockets that is even in Wy Stratosphere there’s nobody in my Toronto Raptors that is in this guy’s Stratosphere he is just he is a oneof one there is no second third fourth young player that I put in this conversation there’s lit literally a point right now where Luca donic might retire as one of the 20 greatest players of all time and if the Spurs called and said we want Luca plus 10 first round picks you need to have that conversation with your front office and say maybe we need to think about this he is that good as a prospect you don’t you just have to look at the the where he is right now given his physical development like it’s like one of those puppies you know one of those puppies that are about to grow into a 200 PB dog or 150 pound dog and you see the pause and you’re like oh my God that you tell me that dog is two months old is bigger than my is bigger than my couch that’s the point right what Victor wanyama did was he got better and his trajectory is insanity and I’ve seen him get better every single year we see the habits we see the maturity we see him being a leader we see him you know taking the lead that’s that’s the rarest thing for a young player in a losing organization not losing organization Spurs are historically a winning organization but a losing team to come in there and be like no this [ __ ] stops now we’re winning we’re not we’re not we’re not tanking we’re not we’re not doing that to me is just that’s that’s standards he’s setting the table now he’s got Chris Paul y’all May clown Chris Paul 39 years old he’s still much better than what he had last year you got Harrison Barnes again clown Harrison Barnes all you want Harrison Barnes a real NBA player Harrison Barnes like Harrison over there a lot I do too it’s a lot Harrison could teach Jeremy it’s a lot Jeremy or he could teach uh Vel it’s a lot he could teach if Kellin Johnson sticks around it’s a lot he could teach him even Castle um all all of those other young guys because it’s some guys that I didn’t name too they got a nice but look at look at the draft picks they have they got the stable of draft picks right now right the Spurs got a stable of draft picks and we got a really nice draft class coming up in 2025 so there’s a lot of teams that F to think like right now oh we’re nice we’re nice we’re nice but come midseason maybe come I don’t know even November December they’re like ah we’re not so nice we’re 5 and 15 right now we better tank what are you looking for when you’re tanking you’re looking for cap relief and draft picks the Spurs have a lot of that if the Spurs come out hot they can add a piece they can trade Kellin they can trade you know something they can they can even move off this Harrison Barnes contract add a couple of draft picks to that and get real good real fast I’m telling you man like I don’t think you’re off base when you say the Spurs could be next up it could happen so fast and we’ll be talking about next year be like how how how’ they become the fourth seed the leap that the leap that wimy would have to take in year two now don’t get me wrong I’ve seen it done before but the the the leap that wimy would have to take at this age as young as he is in year two considering what the western conference is and considering them basically gunning for wimy now because wimy isn’t sneaking up on anybody it’s not like Tre anyone as a rookie no he wasn’t no he was not Ms and now it’s even more magnified because they know he’s gonna get better next year which means we gotta plan more for him as opposed to last year where we didn’t really know who he was we didn’t really know what he could do we didn’t really know what his strength were we knew what kind of skill set he had and what kind of potential he had but now here we are and now here we are the next year and we know he’s probably going to be a better ball handler they’re going to look to have they’re going to look to advance the offense and put him more in the post now you got a distributor like now you got a distributor like Paul like like Chris Paul he’s gonna run the floor even more now you’re gonna look at him more pick and pop more pick and dive all of that stuff is gonna go on with him so the leap he’s gonna have to take this year the leap he’s gonna have to take this year with those guys he’s not gonna have to take a leap though chilltown like I mean I get it it it is possible he has to take a leap I give you I’m not gonna say that’s not what has happened it is possible another possibility is he takes a step Vel takes a step Kellin Johnson takes a step and you’re adding two veterans to this team alongside a rookie who in summer league alone I understand summer league is in everything when we’re talking about a guy’s deficiency being his shot and he’s coming out and shooting as confidently as Stephen Castle has been shooting so far in the summer league already looking like that’s being debunked from what they said his floor as a shooter would be he’s already more confident than I assume he would ever he would next three four years I thought it would have took way more development for his shot to get to where it’s looking like it’s at in summer league right it’s not necessarily a leap wib has to make now do I think that all that is going to happen I’m not sure I can see being optimistic but at the same time we are talking about a 49 year old Chris Paul and a Harrison Barnes whose best years in my opinion are behind him the same way I can see if Chris Paul is 39 Harrison bonds is 4 42 if the same way I can see the same way I can see Harrison Barnes the same way I can see Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes both adding a lot of value to this team and helping them win games because of Veteran leadership and things of that nature is the same way I can see Chris Paul having another season where it’s kind of being plag with injuries playing 55 to 60 games so there is a chunk of the Season where he’s not going to be there and you’re not going to have that guy so you could lose those games and the same way I can see harrin and Barnes may not impact winning enough to change the fact that the Spurs are the Spurs we have to see what they’re going to do with wimy are they just going to let wimy run wild now or are they going to play him to more of a managing his minutes type of role last year he didn’t even average 30 minutes a game are they gonna still do that are they still gonna go slow with the process of [ __ ] because at the same time I understand they are making shots to look like a more competitive team they still could take another year to say f it we got a nice draft class coming up have a bul of draft picks let’s still develop guys what’s the problem with developing for a second year last year all people said was don’t rush the process with wimy don’t rush it with wimy Let It Come Along steadily so you can build the right way well hell this year could be another development year maybe they don’t have to run soain at the point guard and develop that much but they still we have a situation where Chris Paul goes down and he’s not playing as much as you want Harrison Barnes is and I’m not saying this is who he is but he could just be Harrison Barnes and you’re looking at another year where you’re a bottom three team in the West the qu the reason why I think with a divide is with us dammo is in terms of the leap that he’s got to take what is it resulting in with the Spurs now if you’re talking about them being a playin team okay sure with Harrison bonds with Vel I don’t know if that leap has to be that big in terms of them being a playin team even a even even bottom of the even bottom of the playing playoff picture I don’t think the leap has to be that big but if you talking about them actually being a legit playoff team them being a how many wins is it going to take for them to to be a legit playoff team it’s going to take at least what 48 48 wins in order for them to be a legit playoff team close to 50 wins I think Wim is gonna have to take an astronomical leap in order for that to happen which means he’s gonna have to play more he’s gonna have to be an even better Defender just because he was that just because he was second in the league in defensive player of the year does not mean that he can’t improve as a Defender and not be in the top three in defensive player of the year that does not mean that he could very well improve in that aspect the question that I’m asking is is when we’re talking about wmy taking a leap we’re talking about wmy taking a jump where are the Spurs going because if they’re only going to the playin okay I don’t think it has to be that big but if we’re talking about them being a legit playoff team absolutely that leap has to be from Mountain to Mountain well they they did they did they did with with Harrison Barnes they did add more defense with uh to to to wimy um even even the young fella Castle he’s a hell of a Defender I’m not sure like like like dammo said I’m not sure that’s going to look like when the season starts you know what I’m saying just based on summer league but I’m sure I’m sure he’ll get some minutes but I think the Spurs got a lot better right now just just just off at Harrison Barnes and I know I make fun of the Chris Paul thing but bringing Chris Paul into your locker room it can’t hurt it can it can only teach you know I mean he can teach those guys he can he can show he can do for wimy what he did for DeAndre Aiden I felt like when when Chris when Chris Paul more so for DeAndre because I’m look I’m looking at De how what what he did for DeAndre it’s so important for a big to know where to get the ball you know what I’m saying know how to show no know how to know how to post up no no different angles it’s C it’s little things in as a big just simple like a crab dribble that like young youngsters don’t realize like Chris Paul Chris Paul what he did for DeAndre aidon it should be study you know what I’m saying so I I think Chris Paul can do something similar to wimy and maybe maybe help with that leap that you guys are talking about um but I I think the Spurs are not to be looked over not to be disrespected but I I I think Houston is g to be that team like you said CH I think it’s gonna be Houston but I can easily see where just like dammo said Vel gets a little better Kellin gets a little better wimy gets better everybody if everybody gets a little better the whole team gets a lot better you know what I’m saying and so I I can see and and mind like you guys are joking about Harrison Barnes Harrison Barnes is what 31 right 32 32 he came in 2012 so okay’s if he’s 32 Harrison Barnes got got some years left in the tank like and Harrison if he could just do what he did for us being being that that professional knocking down open jump shots guarding the best forward that does a lot for wimy that does a lot a whole lot for wiy he’s his his uh his off ball defense helps side defense he can actually exploit like they can actually show that now I think the Spurs are are are gonna be a really good team this year not I don’t think they’re gonna you know be a 50 win team but they’ll I think they’re gonna go a lot higher than they were last year how how far are we how far are we away from Devin pel ceiling he’s 23 we’re going into year five next year you guys know how I feel about year five right and you know how I feel about Improvement and I do think that you improve by year five but more times than not in year five I feel like this is probably who guy is so you shouldn’t expect much more so how far are we away from Devon Vel seiling are we looking at are we look what what I’m asking is are we looking at a at a at a eight on on a regular on a Tuesday night DMO am I looking at a 19 to 22 and five guy am I looking at a 20 and six guy on a Tuesday is that what I’m looking at or or or is there more there there’s if everything goes perfectly you I think you’ve got a slightly lesser Chris Middleton if everything so if his def if his defense gets back to where it should have been coming out of Florida State because he came in his defense was probably his best attribute and like movement shooting and stuff so if he can get back to where he probably should be defensively which I think he can be if he’s not asked to do as much offensively you’ve already got great mid-range creation um he elevates he he gets his shot off consistently he can make pull up threes he can spot up um he’s solid around the basket I mean not great but he’s solid around the basket I think that’s that’s what you got youve got a lesser Chris mlon he’s not as big as Chris I’ll take that he’s probably not he’s not going to be as good in the mid-range as Chris but he will be he fill that role of shot creation shot making tertiary or secondary facilitation and playmaking and he can take he can take defensive assignments too I think that’s what you’re going to get with the I I would say to put put a number on the chill in the next two to three years I feel like that’s what he hood is sing and playing next to wimy at least for me I see a 20 to 22 Point per game guy any given night playing next to him me as a number two on the Spurs team all right and and by the way chill I wasn’t necessarily I didn’t I brought it up but I more so brought it up to highlight how big of a leap I think wimy is gonna take yeah sure I expect Vel to get better I expect Kon to get better I expect all of those guys to get better but I think wimy is about to take two or three leaps that at least that’s what it’s going to feel like that’s what I need to understand I got to say one thing I literally sat from I nearly sat that was the second row in wy’s I would say most impressive rookie game when he had 10 blocks against you when he had 10 blocks against Toronto I saw this dude break my team in a way they were already broken because they were already losing and a lot of turnovers nothing to do with going to the rim with him on the floor nothing nothing to do with it they wouldn’t yeah it was literally paints closed y’all show up later it’s like we’re closed come back tomorrow right y’all come back in a couple hours when he’s gone on it’s demoralizing it’s it’s Insanity when when I consider the physics of how he covers the court how he recovers how he Hedges how he communicates and the fact that he is only going to get better there’s a misconception that athletes do not get more athletic as they get older there’s a thought that oh this guy’s gonna you know he’s he’s hitting his Peak athletically at 18 or 19 I disagree completely I think athletes hit their Peak much closer to 25 26 when strength and the balance and all that stuff so this guy I’m I’m I’m not trying to Big him up into anything he’s a monster he is a monster already no big him up yeah like people might call this glaze as far as I’m concerned you’re barely doing Justice it’s not glaze exactly I’m I’m being very very I’m being very generous when I say I think he’s he’s going to be a top 10 player in in the league next year that’s me being very generous when you and I was going to agree yeah so I mean you consider what’s around him and we haven’t even talked about Greg papovich not one time did anyone say hey by the way he’s being coached by arguably the greatest coach of all time or one of the three five greatest coaches of all time matter 75 years old that’s why I mean he’s still on the game unless unless of course you’re gonna make a case that he’s got cognitive decline or some sort something like that you don’t you’re not just wiping that out right I’m not wiping it out I’m not I’m not completely going against it I’m just older Greg old if if he had Greg papovich 10 years ago like I think this would be a different conversation I feel like coach pop is in a space where with wmy he doesn’t know what to do with him and it’s not because he doesn’t and it’s not because he doesn’t know the game it’s just wimy is such a unique talent that I’m not really sure where I should have him at so there’s a reason why you see wimy in such different spaces and and and Diving to the rim or playing at the long ball line or playing on the because he doesn’t really know exactly what to do with him so nor should he you shouldn’t make up your mind about was experimental a lot of things they were doing this year was to see where he’s comfortable what’s most effective or and that’s why I don’t I don’t like technically it’s year two for Wy next year I don’t feel like it’s year two it feels like he had like three different growths during the season facts like the first because I remember like everyone talks about oh Mars you had CH over wemi yes the first October to like the late December I still stand on that cat was playing better than Wy in my opinion before c moved to the five when he was when he when his shot selection was all over the place when he didn’t really look comfortable with what he was doing yes I still stand on CH was the Rookie of the Year to that point then January came around Zack Collins is out the team Trey Jones is in the starting lineup wy’s playing the five he’s figuring things out he’s now shooting a million percent on step back threes he’s rebounding he’s figured out how we can protect the rim and be at his most effective so far he’s pushing the pace in transition he’s figuring things out then secondly post Allstar break he becomes one of the better passing bigs in the game already like not in terms of like consistently making the right reads but seeing the reads he can make in real time seeing him initiate pick and roles seeing him run high low action seeing him do all those things now does he misreads yes does he struggle with skip passes sometimes yes but seeing him figure these things out on the Fly I don’t know if it’s translated in the assist numbers I’m sure I could look out but him developing throughout the year is like he’s gone through a first year a second year he’s like in his third year cuz what you look at look at October Wy and look at February WB that’s two different players that’s not a rookie year you look at that version and then you look at February you’re G to say oh that’s year two that’s year three just in terms of that’s what the development looked like so yeah he’s going into year two but he’s really going into year four like in my opinion so like that’s the point where I think he’s at but I think that this is an important thing is like uh I always consider uh intelligence to be the great force amplifier right in terms of basketball if you’re smarter you’re going to figure it out faster you’re going to accommodate yourself faster you we hear stories about P Gasol figuring out the triangle in a day whereas it might take someone an entire season to kind of get the motion triangle right Gary Payton is another one so what I’m saying is you you mentioned year five right CH you said year five is big for you right I’m going tell you that my my history of watching the Spurs is that guys get better much much longer with the Spurs than they do with other organizations you take consideration a guy like Derek white where is his Peak a lot of players you say it’s Peak 24 25 but Spurs players Peak later I look at a guy like Danny Green later Peak I look at a guy Kawhi Leonard where’s his Peak probably year six seven that’s that’s what I’m talking about they develop in a way where they keep pushing your growth I’ll give you another example and it’s kind of call back to what we already talked about which is DeMar de Rosen everyone in Toronto was very frustrated with Demar de Rosen his efficiency was very low he wasn’t the greatest playmaker to Warrant his 34 33% usage he wasn’t a great shooter his entire game was not efficient and then he went to the Spurs at the age of 26 27 I think it was 27 years old 27 we say this is who you are in the NBA we typically say 27 I know who you are I’ve seen enough of it I’ve seen you burn out in the playoffs enough times he completely changed Demar de rozan as a playmaker I believe the Spurs completely developed him into a different player so what I’m saying is you got here the player who has this cerebral you know not only the work ethic the crazy work ethic that Victor wanyama has but you also have put him in a system that has a track record for development they’re not trying to extract you know some gold out of like a baron mind they’re they’re literally they got the gold like I’m not I’m not saying this right but this is the Gold Rush right I got so what I’m saying is like this is the perfect match between Prospect and system and coach and what can result of that if injuries are not a factor and if he stays healthy is probably something that y’all not prepared for like Dan Marino like Dan Marino going to the Dolphins and playing for coacha I got it yeah exactly yeah what’s up Mar um this is just to piggyback on that and I’m gonna ask pen because he’s a rapor fan do you feel like coach Darko is something similar to that because RJ Barrett on the nck versus what I saw in Toronto and RJ Barett I think is in year five or year six drastically different and he only had him for a couple months like do you think he’s doing something similar with Player Development because RJ bar look like a different player in Toronto yeah there there are certain teams that have a figured out Player Development shooting development you know defensive development I think um Player Development comes down to connecting with an athlete getting the trust the Buy in and then getting the right techniques in M it I think Darko is a fantastic development coach that’s why they hired him over very proven and you know known Commodities he’s from my city like uh my family’s from chauk Serbia he’s from chauk Serbia so when he was hired I knew him like I knew of him very very much and I was able to talk to people who had covered his entire career this dude’s been coaching since he was 16 years old he’s understood like he can write a book on pick and roll right now so yeah he made RJ Barrett a better player he made ogan and noi a better player even though the Knicks are the ones that re the reward of that right um he made Scotty Barnes a better player I think Scotty would be the first person to tell you that and he’s going to make man quickly a better player yes I do believe that he is a cut from the same cloth of you know development minded coaches but I think even when you’re winning you should always be developing you should always have that as part of your because at some point you’re going to want to trade you’re two for one you’re three for one type of thing and you need someone to step into that role to to cover the depth right and if you haven’t been developing if you’ve just been so focused on winning whole time that you haven’t been giving your young players like you know it’s it’s what the Denver Nuggets are going through right now everyone’s saying they’re getting depleted they’re getting depleted but the only reason they’re getting depleted because that been developing right you lose trust in those young players you cut you cut Julian str’s minutes too early now you could argue maybe he wasn’t that good to begin with you could argue maybe you know Christian Brown didn’t deserve the opportunity but it’s like if those guys had actually played and they had developed we’d be feeling a lot better about kyp’s wait a minute though there’s a difference between using young guys in Toronto and using young guys in Denver when we’re talking about the world Champion like we don’t really have a lot of time it’s the same logic with kaminga we don’t really we don’t really have we don’t have we don’t really have the the the timeline when you’re dealing with the NBA champion like development doesn’t mean you have to give rotation minutes that’s not even true though chill because at the same time that entire time they were on those runs and everything like that a guy like pton wson and Christian Bron are sitting at the end of the bench but that doesn’t mean the work stops for them even take it a step further and look at the Lakers I mean I don’t know who I might have been pen that brought this up to me um when we were on here or somebody brought this up to me we we’re on here we’re not signing anybody because we did have guys at the end of the bench that for these last couple of years year or two that was you the last year or two they’ve been at the end of the bench they’ve been they should have been developing you can 100% develop your young guys while also competing winning and and doing everything hell we expected the Warriors to do that um in at 2020 whenever Curry goes down they get the second pick all bet you’re starting to build the new regime while the old regime is still doing work and they’re going to step in and just it’ll be this gradual Replacements what everyone thought would happen but the Warriors didn’t develop how they were supposed to develop I guess that’s the point that I’m making D but that that that right there is the point that I’m making when you dealing with a championship team you can have these guys on your on your bench max Chris Max Christie is a prime example of that Max Christie is probably one of the better young players that you have but the fact that you trying to win it really doesn’t look like mean the patience and the and the and the the Rope is a lot shorter when you dealing with guys like that when you trying to win because we got to pick this up right now and when we got to pick this up right now that means that we don’t have a lot of room for error so because we don’t have a lot of room for error it looks like these guys aren’t developing when in reality they are developing just in the background so when when I think about what you guys are when I think about what you guys are doing in Toronto I love what they doing up in Toronto with with Scotty bonds and and Quigley and RJ Barrett I I love what they doing up there the problem is is when you got young guys like on Denver you are developing them but when we get to the floor we need to see that development right now we don’t need I dis because you remember the 95 there a reason why Christian Brown hold on there’s a reason why Christian Brown was playing the reason why Christian Brown was playing during that Championship run because he did the other stuff right he did the Dirty Work stuff was which is what they needed now if he was in if he was in another situation and the other stuff that they needed him to do and he wasn’t doing that he probably wouldn’t be playing as much the reason why he was playing in Denver is that exact reason so they had room for him as opposed to if he wasn’t doing that other stuff he would not have been playing nearly as much well well wait a second because Scotia Banks Center are not the only basketball court in Toronto last I checked they got the OVO Center and yes I did just say OB ho my bad um you from Toronto I’m not from Toronto I me but in Toronto I’m still a c happened the last time somebody went up to Toronto and did that they almost didn’t out get that Rick Ross that Rick Ross treatment in candada yeah chill I just want my man to be able to go outside and go to the grocery store anyway talking about we not we’re not feeling we’re not feeling so my my point is that when you when you have the 905 when you have the development program here y’all remember Pascal seum y’all remember Pas they won a championship yeah so so when they came back like Pas Pascal started year one not kidding as as a New Mexico State 27th overall pick he started at Power 40 he didn’t play very many minutes but they had it in mind we’re going to develop this guy in this role and then we’re going to build it up in the 905 they they sent him from stint to stint same thing with Fred Van v Fred Van v came in to a roster where he was a fourth string point guard that’s crazy to think about the fourth string point guard he had to beat out Corey Joseph Delan Wright and Kyle Lowry for minutes right he chose to sign here because he’s like yo they get rid of one of these guys they put him in the g- league next year boom he’s backup point guard right he beat out those two guys like that right because cream lies is to the crop what I’m saying is just because you’re not playing uh next to Aaron Gordon doesn’t mean you can’t play down you know in their g-league affiliate doesn’t mean that you can’t the point here is how much do you prioritize development as an organization the key to Chad success in my opinion with OKC was that they developed him in his off year when he was injured with that Liz Frank injury that was huge they massively developed that guy they made sure that they were on top of it they made sure they met with him every single week to discuss what he needs to be learning what he needs to be figuring out what he can do for strength and training because just cuz your foot’s broken doesn’t mean your hand’s broken doesn’t mean your arms are broken doesn’t mean everything’s broken we’re still we’re not going to waste this time right and it doesn’t mean you can’t you can’t fix out your reform right it you know so that’s what I’m saying OKC is is a great model franchise Memphis is a great model franchise for this um San Antonio is a great model franchise Toronto used to be a model franchise for this under Dwayne Casey and J Mala down there is organizationally you have to prioritize development it doesn’t mean you got to give guys unearned opportunities and squ W wins in yit’s prime it just means that those guys need to be in the gym getting better every single day there needs to be a cohesive plan and that plan has to be cohesive with your scouting because you can try to make me into an MMA fighter all you want and put me in the Octagon I’m still G to get knocked out in like 12 seconds because it doesn’t matter you you get the wrong people it doesn’t matter your development you got to scout well you got to develop well you got to set great culture and when young kids walk in 19 years old 18 years old they got to know I’m being prioritized here they care about me they care about my future whatever I cannot be the afterthought in your you know quest for a championship because then I get lost Then I then I’m in the club you know what I mean that’s that’s culture that’s development that’s coaching all right y’all uh let me go ahead and dive into these super chats uh salute everybody that’s out there right quick scan that QR code under Mars you can go get you some new merch Mars and Ox both got it on right now also like the video shout out to all of our Hall of Fame members and just all of our members in general speaking of which let me do y some love 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typically start they usually start with my man gandi kv2 send it through a Super Chat he got a couple for us he said y’all remember when Mars said MJ and Giannis would be first round exit I cooked MJ yeah he he just be making up things that people said that’s he does when did you say MJ to be first round the same time the same time I said Josh giddy was a better person than mat Johnson which he never said by the way yeah but I mean hey if Jan is gonna be unavailable in the postseason and MJ don’t have Scotty pipping first round exit all right yeah shout out Gandhi put the diamond test for the Mars putting him on the spot uh he had another one he said if you can add one of these players into today’s game who would have the bigger impact James Worthy that’s simple for me hands passes and wide open as the game in James Worthy holy [ __ ] rank them once five rank them once to five because everyone’s gonna James and for our audio listeners right right hold on right quick for our audio listeners it’s Michael Cooper James Worthy kri KD Cory mgti and AC Green go ahead shout out Cory mgti I would say I would say James Worthy uh Michael Cooper Cory mgti kri KD AC see green kri K fourth Dam I love kri KD I love all four all five of these guys I’m a huge fan of all five of these guys I like all of them I like all of them what y’ got what y’all think James Wy kri KS got K to Love Now Mar think about think think about this Cy MTI was way he was way more of a downhill guy than he was a shooter I know that’s I don’t know how I feel about him and Michael Cooper cuz I’m not very high on Michael Cooper’s offense we spoke about that was primarily a Dirty Work guy yeah AC Green just gonna be battling Mel Bridges if he was going to miss a game first yeah don’t worry about that he coming to work you don’t have to worry about that hey chill who who who hit AC green when when he picked his teeth up and walked away uh Jr re oh [ __ ] yeah when he was in uh when he I think he was in Phoenix J re bow him in the mouth and uh ended up knocking his teeth out so um I’mma put Cory thuds Michael creeper fourth AC Green fifth that’s what I AG with yeah chill pin y’all want to join us James Worthy kry KD Michael Cooper Cory mgti AC Green because I feel like what in today’s game how wide open the game is Michael Cooper was one of the better long ball Shooters in the 80s one of the better long ball Shooters so he’d be the consumate D in three guy so Cody mgti could shoot the ball but he was definitely more of an attack the rim downhill guy more than thing the Michael Cooper cut I know that oh no it’s not and the reason no it’s not the Cy mgti cut because he Bing guys over yeah he physical hey Mars remember when I remember when I took K Kos over uh over James that’s what I was going to say you put in four James hard F on this list like I was going to ask I didn’t want to you didn’t say that didn’t yeah I remember you said that Alan Houston he said a bunch of people yeah Taylor Rodriguez said it was good to see you chill at pick aide podcast again I got every once in a while I mean those my guys over there and uh I was up in Jersey for the weekend my brother’s birthday and I uh I was able to catch up with the I was able to catch up with the fellas and you know we got it on I shouted out my crew right here um I’m a guest on the show like once a year or so twice or something like that I’ll come through and say what’s up those are my guys over there pick side no doubt I was I was watching a little bit I seen you glazing Tatum too much I have to turn off eat it m eat it m I actually seen you like two years ago on that podcast I followed that podcast since they were at about I want to say 1500 2000ish around there so early that’s crazy sh yeah shout out to them it was too much glaz for me so CH eat it NBA champs NBA CH yeah you talking about I was like that and then I’m hearing oh Jason T Jason I was like get on my ear man but shout out to pad for sure shout to yeah those of my people Allan L said whole lot of chatter and nonsense was going on during the night shift when Demar got traded L ox and El du first of all alanar it’s the graveyard shift it’s the graveyard shift don’t get it wrong um and it wasn’t it wasn’t glaze it was just truth telling just truth telling y’all go check that out uh where where can we find a graveyard shift uh on big a media we used to be more scheduled now it’s just kind of pop up so you got you know what I’m saying you got to have your notifications on hit the Subscribe button I let you know when you come let you know when come that notification B do do wonders man we got it on though it was a good some good conversation a lot of good conversation I said a lot of things that people disagree with u but you know I do that a lot what would you rather be cool than be called a Lakers fan Ox wow Mar wow wow I’m sorry I’m not pre to this information I can’t I can’t say that on this channel on on on the graveyard shift chill we it’s completely uncens we say different things somebody came up trolling and you know you know the guy that that he he uses somebody else’s name and he comes up and he says some very derogatory things and so I was I got him out of there and I was just like hey I’d rather be called that than a Lakers fan though you know what I’m saying that’s all hono AKA your boys call you luno he’s been a member for 10 months so and he sent through a Super Chat he said Lil land media always waing Dam little lamb Lil lamb is insane l o and you know all of that is cool but Lil lamb that’s damn would take that from luno I know luno this is the thing people y’all think that y’all think that sheep and lamb are very just doile creatures but you get you you back a lamb up in the corner you gonna get some you gonna get something you wasn’t expecting lunch [Music] off cultured Saunders say King’s gonna score 120 and still lose by 20 they got no defense how true that is yeah I wouldn’t say 140 but I get what he’s getting basically what he’s saying is every time we play take the over okay respect sta said favorites question mark who does ax think dear is who does Ox think think who does Ox think dear is King said since our defense not that good let’s add a terrible Defender and a huge playoff dropper I think he’ll be okay in the playoffs with depending on how the kings use him but I do think it’s 1,000% better for the regular season than the postseason this tomor trade but which means higher seating yeah but you got like you got like I always you got be able to get to the playoffs in order for you to drop in the playoffs right and the Kings didn’t get to the playoffs last year so being better in the regular season in this West it means something you how much better because you figured y’all won 46 games last year so with Demar d r Ro and how many more games does he put on what you guys already doing well la this is the thing CH this is and this is the thing we won 48 last year had Kevin had ke had Kevin not been hurt and Malik and Trey we probably would have won 52 53 so I’m looking at that like we might we might touch 60 this year you won’t I guarantee you will not we we’re gon we’re gonna win more than 40 54 games in order for to win somebody lose some the the West is so stacked I don’t know if we’re going to see a 60- win team in the west because there’s 11 maybe 12 depends on how you feel about the that’s what I’m talking about we are we are winning more than 54 games this season if you I’ll tell you something right now I will come on air you can invite me on the show I will shave my head if the if the Sacramento Kings win on camera wait wait not 60 not 60 not 60 I’m talking about plus 54 I’m not I’m not I’m not going bald for that bro but he’ll go B for 60 that’s valid I’ll give you 60 no no chance Let’s do let’s call it let keep the time keep the time 2 hour eight of the dear Rosen episode make sure that’s time R hey R I’m not R I would never I would never tell you how to do your job because you’re a w host you’re great at this thank you brother but next time bro can we just read the super chats a little earlier because right now it’s like we’re past the the Kings talk and I’m just getting bombarded with a whole bunch of Kings hate and it’s doing something to my mental my mental space not I don’t I don’t want to crash yeah for sure well speaking of which this next Super Chat is directed towards you from Emperor Beast KO said somebody please realize OCT chakras y I’ll get there you know you know this is the thing y’all I want to let y’all know meditation does not have to be a 20 15 minute thing you don’t have to just take out time in your day to meditate you can meditate in five seconds or less every day you know what I’m saying why you just doing something if you feel you just close your eyes into your nose out your mouth a couple times you can meditate in 15 seconds bro it’s no big deal you can you can align your chakras anytime we don’t have to be in a closed room quiet you know silence you can you know what I’m saying you can do that align your shakras any left to go get a chakras real line I I believe what’s that that’s called is called a deep breath but that’s what it sound like to me yes yes Mars but see that’s the thing see you call you see you call it a deep breath but it’s it’s more than that when you realize what you’re doing for yourself you you got to acknowledge what that deep breath is doing for you you know what I’m saying it’s it’s like it’s like when you value when when you some people might pick up a fist full of dirt and say well this is dirt somebody else will f it pick it up and be like but this is land it’s soil you know what I’m saying it’s two different things what about perspective what what that deep breath you just what might just be a deep breath to you is his sh are Ali look at him look at him he’s Al bro I’m good I’m just trying to save I’m trying to save y’all some construction background my bad oh I appreciate it I just mute myself all right very kind of you pimp name slickback said when the 2031 Spurs are coming off a back-to-back finals run and get the first pick to draft someone six to to draft some Sixpoint Guard from France you can thank the Kings what’s gonna do with the Kings the that pick they’re gonna trade that pick what pick the Kings Trade a first round pick it was two second rounds yeah that’s why me and Pen had this discussion I I don’t I don’t really those those picks five six years later they don’t really bother me that much because I feel like I can get some of those they don’t bother me as much because I feel like we back I do I’m not really gonna get into it but CH the Spurs are loaded now after the couple moves that they made they got a few pick watch in 20131 they took a couple people’s picks and stuff they got a very very similar to like OKC might not be as loaded but they got a they got a treasure chest full of picks there’s another there’s another way to look at this also which I think is like really worth thinking about the league gets better every five years every five years you you you draw a line 2000 2005 2010 2015 2020 find me a time where the league has not gotten deeper more talented etc those players are coming from somewhere they’re coming from the draft a 2031 first round pick to me if it ends up top 14 is more valuable than a top 14 pick today just as a player the the average player that’s going to be netted on that the world is getting bigger it’s like more kids coming up playing basketball there’s more continents involved in this like look at all the kids coming from Africa that wasn’t happening 15 20 years ago look at all the kids coming from Europe China like I mean look at the Emerging Markets here right like the population that you’re pulling from I don’t think people understand the math of this if if you take 450 players right we’re talking in the 60s 70s out of 300,000 people who play basketball right and you convert that to 2035 when we might be talking about a billion people playing basketball you you taking 450 the math on that is those 450 coming out of that pool of much larger people um it’s going to be so much better I’m just saying like at this point I I really do prioritize future picks and it’s not because I’m stupid and not because I’m crazy I know a lot of people troll it in the chat and they say oh pen be going crazy on these picks uh he cares too much about these first round picks first round picks it’s like you’re you’re GNA see because the CBA the new CBA which we talked about the last time I was on this with all the complications of building around the new CBA the San Antonio Spurs are really smart because they realized that Victor wanyama is going to be on a second contract and the m the Minnesota timberos might not be very good may may not be a very good basketball team so you can you can you can sell yourself on Rob Dillingham right now and May and maybe that bet pays off for you but you got backtack years where the Spurs control your pick and you don’t know who you’re going to be in six years that may come back years isn’t it I think they got their 29 pick in 30 they got a pick Swap and then in 31 they just get their pick outright I I don’t I don’t think it’s three I wrong I think it’s two I think it’s a pick swap right which is the workaround steppan rule and then it’s a straight up pick now I’m saying if you end up bad in 2029 and the end and the West is as lowed as as it is right now and historically the West has always been better so you’re already operating in the worst conference right in the better conference so yeah you could give up back-to-back lottery picks 2024 right now yeah it’s not crazy to say that in 2031 that the the Minnesota Timberwolves are back in poverty Rudy gober’s out The League cat could very well be out The League at that moment in time in 31 yeah 2031 yeah and that’ll be if I’m not mistaken that’ll be like yeah had like 18 for cat something like that so he probably be gone the only one that be there is JD and ant mean might not be there you don’t know if Anthony Edwards doesn’t demand a trade in 20 I didn’t mean to say I didn’t mean to say still be there I mean to say still be in the league facts but if he’s but if he’s playing on the Spurs it doesn’t help you right I do think the Spurs should have used their pick this year but I like where they’re at they’re trying to they’re trying to maximize wimy for the duration of wimy and I don’t think that was too bad bad of an idea uh respect Steph said we not gonna worry about Caruso Caruso in cheat but the Thunder gotta worry about Keegan muray okay it’s not it’s not what I said all right people really hear what they want to hear they get they they already have their mind made up and then just take words out of what you say there there no way to live that’s there there’s no future in that but the tribe one said R I’m sorry I’m sorry R my bad but you can’t like you just you just can’t have successful friendships relationships like you can’t you can’t do that if you don’t listen to what people say and then like you know what I’m saying I love this this is like honestly o is like is like a spiritual advisor to all these people with these trolling super chats I love it it’s they’re getting free therapy on this that’s great it’s the cheapest therapy they’re ever gonna get there’s there’s no future in that like you you can’t you can’t have successful relationships with with wom women men whatever or you can’t you can’t have successful relationships with your children your your uh your co-workers your parents you know what I’m saying like because specifically your kids your kids will tell you what they want but then you just hear what you whatever you wanted to hear and then you just mess up everything you mess up your whole day doing that man stop it’s because most people are not listening most people are waiting for their turn to talk that’s that’s exactly it just listen listen you got two ears and one mouth you know what I’m saying Focus man everyone has shout out to my one Community the tribe one said this also means they’ll have an easier time staying AF float if Fox gets injured like he did last year Demar can take over like Harrison couldn’t or Carter it’s a good point and Malik pimp name slickback said speaking of the Olympics look out for the kid on Bahamas called VJ edcom he’s coming out in the 2025 draft the kid is going could be special next year’s draft is I about to say mod I’m I’m really looking for I don’t know who who the prospects are but from what I’m hearing this is going to be one of the better drafts in a long time since 23 yeah so two years but yeah it’s a very good it’s much no disrespect I think it’s much better than this year’s draft no disrespect but I’m very high a lot of the I mean a what I’ve done is just main at the top guys so I haven’t I think there’s about six seven possibly eight guys would have clearly pushed Zachary ret for first overall pick I mean well Cooper flag would undoubtedly go one in this draft so we got six or seven guys that are coming out next year if like you just said they could have pushed richir and SAR for the number one and number they could have pushed him this year that’s what I’m saying like this year if if they allowed high schooler let’s just say like they just allowed high schoolers into the draft right this year they changed the rule they went back to 2006 I think there’s six or seven guys that would have pushed him this year forget for number one overall pick yeah but he’s saying at 17 they that’s what I’m talking about that’s what I’m talking about which means to me which means to me that if they’re pushing for the number one overall pick that means that we have six or seven potential guys as legit top 10 picks so the guys who was in the top 10 this year yes probably would have been gone I mean well Cooper flag undoubtedly Cooper flag would have gone number one in my opinion um then you got nland trior Dylan Harper VJ edcom um Ace Bailey uh Rocco zakari um he’s playing in Australia um he’s like 73 he’s yeah there’s a lot of good players there’s probably some like other ones who I’m missing off the top of my head but yeah next year’s draft is ridiculous and I’m very high on like three or four of them like very very high so I can’t wait for next year’s draft already and shout out to VJ he’s gonna be playing for Baylor next year um if you were tapped into the Olympic qualifying rounds he definitely belonged you you know it’s it’s tough when you put a 17y old against grown men but if if if if you wouldn’t have known that he was 17 if you would have just been watching you wouldn’t have been like man that that kid he looks he looks young he looked like he belonged out there and he was he was doing his thing I think he’s Bahamas leading scorer I might be wrong yeah he I know he got busy I know that for a fact and you know Bahamas they have DeAndre Aiden buddy Hill Eric Gordon in the midst of all of these guys he looked like the one Lil techie said I did not have a good weekend because I’ve watched the Bulls do F all F all with their assets it means do nothing and and LaVine is still on my team well apparently you guys can’t get rid of LaVine it’s not like you guys aren’t trying um and I mean you guys are building around jorh gy you’re in a good spot I like what they doing to I like how he said that with a straight face and just didn’t break character for one second building around Josh giddy you trying to send these send these I think therapy rates just went up in Chicago right now pen that’s not the case the idea is they pieces like see M Matas Josh giddy Kobe white they actually now have somewhat of a foundation now once you get your centerpiece whether it’s Cooper flag when you gonna put your name in the Cooper flag sweep Stakes you at least have a foundation of guys as opposed to you still trying to build this thing around Zack LaVine and Demar de rozan and Andre Drummond and vot when Lonzo ball him getting injured we already know what that we already know what happened when that thing went the other way so I mean I I think the Bulls are act they have a plan and they’re going in the right direction with that plan as opposed to still trying to sell a broken car to somebody for top for top price no yeah they’re bottoming up smart finally I don’t like how how teams just go young and think they have a plan at some at some point like you you telling me right but but right now you telling me KOB is a good is a good pairing in a back court you think that’s a good pairing with those two guys I think it’s weird Kobe white and Josh giddy think that’s a good pairing yeah with Patrick Williams those are your long-term pieces right now those are your found and modest bazis like I mean I get it it’s better than you know going going for the middle every single year but I mean it’s a it’s a direction it’s it’s not the greatest Direction and without a star player you know it’s tough and we just saw the Detroit Pistons be like one of the worst teams in all time and they got the fifth pick this year the draft lottery odds when they the loty is like when people people don’t realize I think a lot of people don’t realize is in 2019 they flattened the lottery odds from one one to three so you went from having 25% chance if you’re the worst team at the number one pick to 14% that’s tough I think we’re gonna see a different Josh giddy this year and the reason why I say that is one him playing with Shay he’s gonna have the ball in his hands more and with him having the ball in his hands more I think he knows that he doesn’t have to look over at the bench when you playing for a bad team one of two things happens number one when I’m playing for a bad team one we’re gonna suck and two I don’t gotta especially if I’m one of the Premier players on the crew I don’t have to look over at the bench or look over my shoulder I can just rock because I know we’re going to be bad so the things that I wasn’t able to do in Oklahoma City like shoot the Bas basketball I’mma probably do that more that could very well improve this season coming up with him being at least a respectable shooter we always know I always thought that I always thought that Josh giddy could get downhill I always thought that Josh giddy could could be one of the better distributors in the game I always thought Josh gidy could be a really good playmaker always thought that about him one of his biggest deficiencies was he couldn’t stretch the defense as far like he could make a he could make an open jump shot from time to time but he wasn’t as consistent as I would like him to be that may change this year being on a bad team where he now shows you that I can knock down more open shots because I’m on a bad team which means I’m gonna probably get more open shots people aren’t going to key on me nearly as much with that being said Chicago at least as bad as they’re gonna be they I feel like they have a foundation and I like the I like the direction that they’re going wait wait wait wait wait make that make sense you on a worse team you’re gonna get more open shots yes because you well one you suck so the fact that so teams just staying on the bus they’re not showing up bro if you can’t make open if you can’t make the open looks that Jay duub and Shay and Chad are gr granting for you you definitely not making the open shots that freaking Patrick Williams is getting for you because you’re not gonna be open them the dudes I’m not even gonna have to that’s the point right there it’s not like I’m getting doubled right it’s not like I’m I’m shooting off of double teams it’s not like guys on my crew are getting doubled no that’s the scouting report on me anyway and the fact that we’re bad I’m just G to get waved off more times than not he’s just saying he’ll be he’ll shoot more right more but it’s not going to change the fact that he’s a terrible shooter I I I agree and a really bad Defender might I add pin the difference is that one we don’t know Josh Kitty is 21 years old right I think we’re going in a year what four I think that’s okay we’re going in the year four so we may well see an improvement in his jump shot I’m not asking for him to be an he I don’t think he’s Devin Booker or somebody like that where he he knocks down the mid-range what I am saying though is can it be at least respectable and I think knows that at 6 fo8 where I can’t just completely be I can’t continue to be a liability where I’m just out here and I’m the double team man so if I’m playing on the Chicago Bulls where now we’re not very good and I’m getting even more open shots I can’t continuously not make shots I’m getting even more open shots than I would when I was in Oklahoma City so that has to change 100% well I don’t I don’t think he’s trying to be a bad Cheo I think he’s trying to make him he’s just not good at even if he gets more but and I think that improves Mar I do he didn’t improve under chip England he’s not improving in Chicago just my just my opinion he’s going to have the ball more in his hands he’s going to get more assists he’s going to get more numbers but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be a better thing or it’s going to be leading to win watching I’m not doing that no oh but that’s what people are going to do he’s GNA average like he might average like 17 eight and seven it’s like oh my God Jos Giddy and it’s like okay bro he could average 20 10 and 10 it doesn’t mean nothing to me like the way he plays he might average 201 10 and 10 it doesn’t mean anything because you’re not going to win all right y this is a good time to transition into the Olympics and Team USA and Canada and all of that other good stuff but I got a couple super chats for chain into this my man leaned has been a member for nine months he said Papa jannis the goat oh shout out to jannis Dad um Teflon Gunsmoke said that Team USA 1 V one gonna hit like your mama when she woke you up for school but she came back and you were still sleep I bet you get I bet you got your ass up time didn’t you I bet you that I bet you w lay there after she had to come back in there again I bet you that especially she especially if she gotta drop you off you gonna make her late for work better get your ass up so for those who don’t know uh the field is set for the Olympics I’m g go ahead and throw this on the screen the four teams that were in the qualifying round have moved on so now the stage is set um Greece ended up beating slovania shout out of Puerto Rico they Advanced um and now the field is set so here’s what it’s looking like dop this is the first group this is group a they’re actually calling this the group of death yeah that group is crazy they’re calling this the the group of death literally I can see that so we have Canada Greece Australia and Spain in group back [ __ ] that’s tough and shout out to Rudy and shout out to Rudy Fernandez Olympics number six he’s in now yeah he’s still yeah he still around that’s almost 25 years playing in the Olympics crazy shout out to Rudy Fernandez and and Diana terazzi for number six man that’s dope this is wild right here though the fact that’s tough moving along Group B consist of Brazil and they just Advanced to so shout out to Brazil for winning the qualifying round France Germany in Japan is that Marcel ques yes that’s him he’s 41 too I was gonna say how old is he this is a this is a good group this a tough group yeah this a tough group this a tough group moving along you got Group C the final group and this is the group that we’ll probably be tapped into the most Serbia no South sedan Puerto Rico and USA D Man United Kingdom to the m oh we close Puerto Rico this is uh they got all remember we were talking about them before because they got them they got the guards they got the the brothers the um uh Marcus Howard right yeah and his and his brother yeah but they also got they obviously got Jose Alvarado right and they got the best guard on the team tront best player on the team tront yeah we talked about that they got four got they’re they’re small but they got four guards over there that go crazy I like them they’re going to get spanked but I like them it’s going to be entertaining yeah for sure yeah so uh just to bring you guys up Puerto Ricans man I’m not sleeping on them Puerto Ricans yo I’m not that’s that that’s that 13th Street Squad yes do not sleep on them Puerto Ricans yo don’t you might they might look they might not look like much next thing you know man you done lost your sleeve on your on your shirt one of your shoes is gone you ain’t got no more bread my chill I tied a double knot you TI a double knot one of your shoes is gone man these dudes just one they Scrappy they play hard they rebound they pick up full court man pick up full court sleep on and on top of that the GM is it’s Carlos aruo who I mean the last time they was in the Olympics was in 2004 that was the last time they was in the Olympics so slip on the Puerto Ricans if you want and watch what happened uh just to bring you guys up to date on the schedules so it will be a lot friendlies going on and in in case you don’t know those are basically scrimmages and whatnot before the actual Olympics and they’re starting as soon as July 10th that’s when we play Canada so our first scrimage USA vers Canada will be on FS1 7:30 Pacific 10:30 Eastern you guys be sure to tap in we definitely gonna talk a lot about that on Thursday I can’t wait for that game that’s about to be crazy US Canada you already know what time that is but Ron what about what about the scumbag Warriors Organization for for for not let for holding Andrew Wiggins out of that bro I’m so upset about that I’m so against that I don’t feel like I don’t feel like any NBA team should have any say so and what you do that that’s Fe fever regulated they to play yeah he can’t play it’s crazy bro I think I think it’s just so wrong bro I think that the the Warriors shame on the Warriors Organization for how much of a difference how much of a difference does does Wiggins play how much does how much how much bigger of a difference is W is Wiggins on this Canadian team I mean a healthy active engaged Andrew Wiggins is you know probably one of your better point of attack Defenders on the wing and a really good athlete um I will say that he hasn’t really been a huge part of Team Canada in the past and I will also say something that I mean I’m GNA say can I say this off the record with what 20,000 views can’t be off the record I wouldn’t be so quick Ox to blame the Warriors for this okay I’m just gonna put it there I’m just gonna say that and and I’m gonna leave it there I wouldn’t be so quick don’t leave it there being elaborate don’t leave don’t give me mutual agreement mutual agreement yeah so I mean sometimes yeah that’s what I want to say I’m I’m not trying to get like 55 calls about this but I’m just saying like like a lot of people are going to say a lot of stuff about this it’s it’s it’s not fun you know with with the level of Talent on on the Canadian side right now with Shay with with Jamal Murray Etc you don’t want to be the one guy who who ducked out right you don’t you don’t want to be the guy so I’m just saying you know there’s a chance he wouldn’t have started is he starting over RJ Barrett right now see once again pin we we talked about this two hours ago it’s not about starting brother it’s it’s it’s a long game you know what I’m saying it’s a long game butto to him it might be though okay well if that’s the case he’s he’s just not a Hooper bro he’s just not a Hooper we could just leave it at that if you if you don’t play on team candidate because you’re not starting then you just I’m I’m not saying he’s not I’m not saying he’s not playing because he’s not starting I’m saying don’t be so quick to say it’s 100% on the Warriors because that’s what the media is saying and that’s what that’s what’s being reported because I would tell you right now if he really really really wanted to push for it I’m pretty sure they would let him play okay so like let’s just put it that way right well thank you for saying that P because I don’t I don’t have an inside scoop or anything I just I’m just reading reading the article and that’s what they said they said that the Warriors put the kabash on that so I was like okay I think that’s wrong um but if it if it is anything other than that then you know if he really wanted to play he could I’m sure he he would have because we haven’t heard nothing from from Andrew Wiggins if Andrew Wiggins would have came out and like yo this is BS and I want to represent my country and I am healthy and if people would have went on a tangent 100% they would have had to come off that yeah a lot of these conversations are had this way the Warriors obviously like you do not want to tarnish your entire uh internal reputation with all foreign players right you basically telling foreign players if you’re a threat to USA we’re not going to let you play like that’s that’s almost like that’s almost unfair at this point right they were saying that it was because of like trade talks and stuff like that well that’s well that’s that’s one way of looking at it look at it from the conspiracy theorist Canadian side of like hey Steve Kerr’s their coach he’s also Andrew Wiggins coach he’s trying to weaken the real competition to the United States which is Canada they’re taking one of their big guys off then you could probably look at Zach EDI not playing as a 7 foot6 7 foot5 guy in in the international game his value to the team could have been great internationally I I heard Zach is gonna play though is he playing I just saw that this morning I could be wrong this morning he’s playing now that’s I could be wrong once once I could be I was just wrong about the Andrew wiggin thing according to y’all so I could be wrong about that too but yeah so I’m just saying like it’s always going to be mutually agreed upon and no organization wants to go out and and develop that tag of they’re stopping people from representing their country especially in the Olympics this is a big deal right so Warriors obviously calculated this very carefully and there’s no chance in my opinion there’s no chance that Andrew Wiggins fought for this and was told no we could also and we could also have a a situation where they want to trade him where one he wants to go and this works out for both of us so they may have they may have mutually agreed we’re gonna hold you out of the Olympics because we can get you to I don’t know maybe Toronto or maybe wherever you want to go and we’re going to get the best possible deal and we can’t do that if you end up getting hurt and you end up damaging the product I’m I’m gonna speak for Toronto and say we’re good we’re good you can keep him all right yeah uh I do want to share a couple things first thing I want to share is actually the Canadian roster Team Canada let me go ahead and put this up there they got a good team this year damn good team in Canada Steve still on the uh on the board or I don’t know I know I know it’s Rowan Barrett okay that’s that’s RJ’s father okay nepotism it’s finest at its finest Ms at its finest before I do that I’m gonna go ahead and throw this on the screen these are the games coming up for Team USA so obviously I just told you guys we play Canada July 10th Man play Team Australia July 15th Serbia July 7th so these are three very good scrimmages just to start out with uh Canada Australia Serbia then we got South Sudan July 20th in London in London Mars you gonna pull up that’s a whole flight for me I have to get to London too I thought you I thought you was in the area my bad clearly he’s not South Sudan July 20th Germany July 22nd and these are all friendly games but they’re going to be competitive gam so I’m looking forward to all of these and then the Olympics start July 27th Team USA will play July 28th vers Serbia that will be their first game so we’ll get to see Serbia and us play twice they’ll play against South Sudan as well we’ll get to see them play twice and then they will play against Puerto Rico who who the hell who the hell on South Sudan Squad W Gabriel W Gabriel that’s the only one I know for sure is on the team I know man bowl is from Sudan so now while while I respect South Sudan and I respect Puerto Rico I just feel like they could have you know move this around a little bit that that that first group a was so stacked like you know could have switched one of those teams with Puerto Rico or something I’m not saying that the NBA or America’s getting favoritism or anything I would never say that all I’m saying is I just think that our group could have been a little more competitive and I’m we go over a couple rosters right now here’s Team Canada as currently stands who knows if Zack Ed will be there or not but this is what we looking at right now nil Alexander Walker RJ Barrett uh I’m not familiar with Trey Bell’s Trey Bell Haynes Kim burs we know his name Dylan Brooks y obviously know him Lou Dort my man Melvin uh we got SGA uh cin gelly big dude uh Trey lles Jamal Murray Andrew Nimar Kelly oen Dwight pal Phil and Thomas scrub I did not know Tre was I didn’t know Trey L was Canadian I did by the way Trey B hannes has been released oh yes oh he’s he’s is gone okay so haes is gone shout to the scrub shout to the scrub Brothers I said that every time I see I can definitely see uh I can definitely see Trey LS um getting MVP of the Olympics you know I mean oh my God they much better if Zak does play like just substantially I’m torn man I’m torn because you know what like I was born in Yugoslavia which is Serbia now so I should be rooting for Serbia but then I grew up in the United States so I guess I should be rooting for the United States but we lived in we lived in France for a bit so I got a little bit of there and then I’m living in Canada for the last 15 20 years so Ken where do you feel like your Allegiance lies so here’s the thing I’ve never rooted against Team USA ever ever ever ever ever my whole life I never rooted for Team USA uh I always stand up for the American national anthem it’s it’s the weirdest thing over here because I’ve hung on to it for so long but I gotta tell you man s Joel embiid I got to switch up so yeah that was sick I cannot I cannot support a national team with Joel embiid that is the United States is crazy this is worse than KD joining the 73 Warriors to me it’s crazy and the ration is insane oh I I want to I want to represent where my son was born how about where you were born how about you know what I mean like go go do something for Cameroon I don’t like this man C is that what he said P yeah he he he released a he released this whole thing about I apologize about the construction I hope y’all can’t hear it too much but um he said that you know I have allegiance to Cameroon my native land I have allegiance to France where I am a citizen but my son was born in the United States and I want to play this first one for him and that to me is like it’s nice it’s nice what you’re saying if it was true if I believed it even 1% I don’t you know to me it’s like yo I respect people who start something like go go go do for Cameroon bro there’s a lot of good players coming out of Cameroon right now and they need to see you represent and put on for them if you’re not going to do that go create the biggest front Court in NBA history with France for all I care but do not go to the Team USA this to me is is crazy so talk to him P yo and one one more thing too I was watching uh I was just watching some clips from the the select team play against the national team pin everything and I I’m not really wanting to be like oh man you should have did this you should have did that did that do what’s best for you do what’s best for your family and do what you ultimately feel like doing but the same thing for uh Hae hakz I shouldn’t see you on a national select team when Mexico is a budding country my man you should have took your talents to Mexico and been starting on this team and helped your help your people get into the Olympics essentially y lost qualif that that would be the same thing Conor from here was born in California though was he yeah he was he was born in California but his parents and his people they all come trying to send people back over the wall I just I just think that would have been dope for him to do that I mean c c was C born in in the Dominican yeah but that’s what that’s why I mother from the Dominican Republic his father from Jersey I’m not tell is that what is that what you were saying go back I’m not trying to deport people I’m just saying represent where you’re from I never I never said deport anybody I said for Mexico I’m not I’m not implying none of that I’m just saying it it would it would have been dope for him to go lead that team it’s it’s a good chance that hamee HZ never makes the national team here because we’re so good Patrick you why not go play United States right he was Jamaican Scotty Barnes he he’s gonna play for United States he played U6 u18 u19 whatever he is his father is Jamaican so these guys could easily go and represent Jamaica as well and I’m sure Jamaica will be very very happy with that this is not the same thing that’s like Eric Gordon going and playing for the Bahamas that’s opportunity whatever I don’t have a problem with that Eric Gordon plays United States I don’t have a problem with that Eric Gordon plays bamas I don’t have a problem with that what I have a problem with is Joel embiid growing up in Cameroon get writing to the French prime minister please you know and promising to play for them please give me citizenship and then switching up like this this is weird to me man and it’s all because basically I’m pretty sure Lebron called him and said we don’t have a center and we cannot have Walker Kessler as our starting center anymore so it’s like you found an opportunity this to me is this not what the Olympics is about Olympics is about putting on for your country did not promise Italy and then switch up yes he did is’s not Paulo’s American that’s the that’s the thing I don’t give a [ __ ] if he promised Italy so okay okay never mind okay my thing is he’s just I think Joel’s on like I want to win something you know what I’m saying like he doesn’t I don’t think he thinks he’s gonna get a ring in the in the NBA like be you know realistically I don’t think he sees that happen he’s like let me just let me just go get something let me go get some Hardware I and pin I I said it I said it here first you know what I’m saying a while back I don’t like Joel playing on this team I think it’s I think it’s weird I think it’s kind of like I don’t want to say I don’t know I don’t want to disrespect nobody you know CH do what you want to do but I don’t like the move I I really don’t by the way ax uh Zack Ed he he’s not playing for the Olympic team he wants to concentrate on playing for Memphis so that’s what’s up Zack that’s what’s up hey also shout out shout out to chase buinger too shout out to chase buinger too you know um a lot of Y if y’all don’t remember chase buinger you know he was the uh tall tall kid you know redhair kid went to Arizona had about what seven eight Good Seasons in the in the NBA but if y’all don’t know before he was playing ball he was was one of the best volleyball players in the country and so him him and his him and his teammate they just made the last spot on the USA team to be um the beach volleyball team so Chase buinger is in the Olympics man shout out to chase that’s crazy that’s dope sh topical 3 guy yeah Chase Chase was the best was the best volleyball player in the country and he decided to go play basketball he was the seventh ranked basketball player in the country and I believe the number one ranked volleyball player he was like I’m to the NBA sh out them Arizona Wild Cats the year he was playing that was tough that’s right that’s right that was yeah I mean but they was good that whole time though but shout out Chase man all right back to these super chats glove monster said I’m listening on my way to Mount Rushmore but I want to ask who is gonna be the Mount Rushmore of the 2020s I forget man Rushmore is a real thing because I only ever hear it in like basketball like terms of like the top four I for getet that like Mount Rushmore is a physical thing it’s an actual thing to you actually I was about to say you’re going to Mount Rushmore when I read that I thought he was trolling yeah I was like oh okay m r was actually based on okay um yic W Janis and Luca we want we want wimy Giannis Luca can’t really deny that unless we have somebody in the next five years have a have a ridiculous run and when I say in the next five years is somebody show up this year and for the next five years do something astronomical jayen GRE yeah s SGA not gonna he don’t got a shot Jason tayton would be above SGA would you know 100% you know you know Jason Tatum is the same age as SGA right yes got drafted one year apart you know you know Jason tum has done more in the 2020s in SGA right they’ve won more for sure think about that yes they done more for sure these last two years from Shay was heav yeah but the 2020 years the20 okay so just so you know Ron the the last two years like you just said with SGA being a first team All Pro right being a first team All Pro I’m not if I’m not mistaken I think Jason Tatum this the fourth time he’s been a first team on Pro first team yes okay TR trajectory matters trajectory matters here a lot hold on right quick pin he has four first team allos uh he’s made first te four I don’t I don’t think he’s made he’s made it three times he’s made four I thought it was four four all NBA teams three first three of them first two moreos pin as you was saying trajectory matters here you got one guy he comes out he’s like a fourth option fifth option on the on the Clippers he gets traded to a team that’s rebuilding they’re not trying to win he’s developing he’s developing who saw an MVP candidate in what was 11th or 12th overall pick sh yodis Alexander I’m look I’m trusting the work I’m trusting this the rise over run right this is like go go back to grade four math right this is the trajectory he’s on to me he is right now past Tatum as a player overall just barely but he’s right there and he wasn’t there two years ago being better at basketball being better at basketball he’s a he’s a better pass not better at basketball than Jason Tatum but we don’t have time for theate we don’t have time for this but we don’t have time are this is an hour long debate it shouldn’t be it should just be Shades bet me one but unfortunately only thing I’m saying is Jason Tatum might have had him in 20 21 22 23 and 24 SGA cck Tatum Advance this is in my opinion this is in my opinion hold on this is in my opinion and I believe 25 26 27 28 and 2029 SJ is going to be a better player than Jason Tatum but okay I understand it’s I understand you guys may may feel differently they’re not gonna be better than Luca so who cares uh moving along KB NOS ball said Mars I wanted to let you know or let you know on that it is not coming home Mars sweepin yeah he’s thr my football saying it’s not coming to him and saying that sweet pen is crazy glaze accurate but crazy glaze but um yeah I mean I don’t I still haven’t watched the game of the Euro so once again I don’t care but um I know we’re in the semifinals I think we’re playing Netherlands I think so yeah whatever but yeah we’re not going to win but if we do win I’ll use it to take a day off LDN Hoops says shout out toar and clay for not being tricked by the Lakers cartel and Lakers delusion who cares if if he quote unques fits sack a 25 year 25 mil a year for a third option who average 20 I I care if he fits but yeah I think I think I think that’s oversimplifying it but I can understand just saying sometimes it really is just the simple as better player better team so I understand Bob Wick has just entered the chat and he sent through a $25 Super Chat 20 well in Canadian 27.9 to be exact he said good afternoon we have time for the debate I don’t think that yeah pay for yeah I don’t think you pay for time but long story short chill’s gonna say being better doesn’t just happen overnight it’s about what you’ve done and over the last four years Jason tum has done he has a body of work that’s led up to this and now he’s won the championship blah blah blah Shay prior to two years ago was nowhere close to Jason Tatum how was he then just going to surpass Jason Tatum this quickly when last year they both made all NBA first te this year they both made all NBA first team Shay hasn’t done enough to then just jump Jason T of everything that Jason T has done in the regular season and the postseason long story short that’s what’s gonna happen and then some other people are gonna pick shade be like Shay’s better there you go we had the de there you go we had the debate Mars Just owned himself I like it yes that’s what that’s how I’m that’s why I’m going to be undefeated in the PCL the only way I’m going to lose is if I decide I want to debate myself so I win and that’s the only way I’m really going to lose all right hey y’all might just want to quit right now I don’t know if y’all F to mess with the young Brit this I don’t know if y’all got anything for him this how this how they must have F in the 60s when the Celtics were just I feel like it’s the accent you know what I mean like we are conditioned as North Americans to take British accents as very authoritative and sound they sound a lot s a lot and they sound a lot smarter Simon I’m not British just put on the accent because I know that it’s going to manipulate the minds of that’s just not true from Alabama like I’m from Alabama but I know no one’s taking an Alabama accent serious why why is Alabama taking Strays from the UK why you even buying this a there’s no way he just do this from Alabama no he I’m not I’m I know that I’m just saying like I’m just he I’m just hearing a lot of funny things first Pin said that we were that we’re we’re programmed to take British accent seriously I don’t know where you’re from but not around here we not um are you not watch America’s Got Talent and then I definitely don’t watch that show and then and then Mars throwing shot to Alabama I’m like I get where you’re coming from but gez you know I understand [ __ ] Bro there’s a reason there’s a reason Gordon there’s a reason you got Gordon Ramsey going around every Kitchen in America telling them that they don’t know [ __ ] and they’re taking them seriously they wouldn’t take they wouldn’t take nobody else seriously on that one it is you absolutely conditioned to take it was Bobby if it was Bobby fle they’d listen too they listen but but I tell you what if Bobby fle had an English accent they’d listen even more it’s weird that must be a East Coast thing y it must be East Coast thing we don’t we don’t we don’t trip off a Brit off of Britain over here not in California we we are the authority you know okay B said that uh you guys’ Auntie misses you yeah I I’ll be over soon you know obviously because I’m in Alabama right now people just think I’m in London I don’t know why but I’m in Alabama right now yeah all right shout out is such a scumbag I can’t believe that I deal with this dude on the what I do now the same dude that’s s here telling us that he can’t do games because it’s four o’clock in the goddamn morning but now he’s in Alabama which looks like the same background it was when we watching Philadelphia play against oh sorry that I sorry that I bring my background with me I don’t know what to tell you I like to be in familiarity I’m sorry is this is this not like Ron ending up in Europe last time he couldn’t remember the date oh my God no this background is a green screen that’s the difference this background is a green screen so like I just have this here like what’s really my background is like then why do we see your Shadow you don’t have you don’t have to say what are we doing Mar this is what I’m talking about it’s a green screen I don’t know what to tell so I guess my green screen is realistic shout out to the green screen green screen yeah all right y we got a couple members let me go ahead and Shout out back in D again been a member for 12 months and Kerwin as well appreciate y’all for reading up your membership shout out all of our Hall of Famers we got a few more Super chats Styles Blackman tapped in he said shout out to Asia Wilson for passing the great Sophia young Malcolm to become the all-time leading scorer in franchise history go in the making congratulations that’s what happens when you are the best basketball player in the world excluding no one the goat is coming the goat is coming in 2025 2025 2026 when is Juju Watkins getting to when is Juju touching the league that’s that’s going to be your goat I promise you Juju not better than M Mo she’s going to be better now she not no not now not right now but she’s a freshman you see you you will see how this girl’s game evolves man I’m I’m honestly St seen her working on her left hand I was moved yeah I was too yeah yo what what franchise was the aces before they were the aces where they move from not the not the uh um the wasn’t that the San Antonio team was ah I think it was yeah that’s how that’s how they had Kel y okay sense San Antonio Stars okay DSG Piccolo been a member for 11 months he said PG said he asked for the same contract Kawai got what did kawhai got Kawai where did Kawai got three years3 why would you ask for the same thing Kawai got because PG and kawhai the same level but they declined three years he in four years Tyler T said daily reminder yic better and a Celtic going back to back both sound relatively accurate hey that’s that’s another that’s another good point right there in the chat from uh who said that I can’t remember but the other the other thing about that is you’re asking for what kawwai got and kawwai shouldn’t even have got that so you know what I’m saying wasn’t we not bugging out when we found out that Kawai sign a threee extension for 150 million we like what they making the same mistake twice huh you put when you put it that way it’s like no we’re not gonna give both Nei know like shout out to Kawai you know that’s my dog I love I love I love kawhai one of my favorite players but come on man he shouldn’t have got that so what makes you think you’re gonna get also big shout out to Kawai too it’s good to see you in that red white and blue brother it’s real good to see that I don’t know about y’all I know some people don’t like it I love what I’m seeing hey I love to see The Avengers Assemble it’s beautiful thing Lil techie said if only the Bulls were good at Player Development this would be a good time to get good at it because they gonna suck so Jo chill what did we discover about the Bulls a couple months ago oh man that’s crazy they didn’t even have a shooting coach I was I was I was I was Floy when I heard that like there’s no way that that’s really going on your highness Charro said I met Dylan Harper in Ace Bailey yesterday at r thanks again Houston y’all some real ones in case y’all don’t know who Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper are they’re both going to Ruckers next year they’re both I think consistent top five maybe even top three recruits in the nation they both play on Team USA under 17 they are both studs and they’re going to they’re probably gonna turn up this year ruers I know it’ be hard for freshman to just come in and turn around a program but they’re both gonna be on next year’s draft board so shout out to them shout out to your highness Charles for uh meeting them I want to know your highness did you troll them too but that’s what’s up dub your highness uh it’s Mr GQ to you said I’m glad that Ox is being consistent with his stance on nepotism he seems really happy that his Kings just signed LeBron’s oldest son crazy so what’s gonna be stronger LeBron’s deard Rosen ownership or the Kings Lakers ownership which this Ain this ain’t the same Bron so nobody no ain’t nobody scared of 40y old BR so the King still C the Lakers for sure we might we might go three and one this year instead of 4-0 ah yeah your highness Charles ironically just tapped back in he said fun fact the Jazz Nets OKC and Spurs own 50% of the draft picks next year this draft pick IM balance is pretty crazy Dam the good teams are trading picks to get players from those teams and it’s obvious that they’re trying to win right now so Allan L said you know it’s bad when Ron agrees with you all right kril said feea talk question mark we got to my friend respect Steph said Ox Kings versus Nuggets series who wins has Denver and four already answer that question Kings and six Matt said the beam will light again du box Dub Sack Lakers I can go will like again pip name slickback just said hey yo what up tuck your chain hey yo your highness Charles said what is blood waffling about yeah what up with blood big ball said what’s Cobe white ceiling about 10 feet I think he a better version I think he a better version of Dana Barrow when I watch him better really I think he had better version of Dana barrows that’s a comp Kobe white didn’t just get niip no UMX Max he was my vote yeah he was my vote y’all don’t think he’s gonna continue to get better how old is he now 24 somewhere around there Kobe white yeah I think he been in League four or five years well I don’t know because I given up on him before this year I made that aund I I given up you was out on him MOS SP I didn’t know that I didn’t I did not and then he improved I was like oh my God K’s good so I don’t I don’t know what’s happening whatever like the ceiling is the ceiling at this point I don’t know what expect yeah I don’t like I don’t like to assume that guys are just gonna get better you know especially don’t like to assume how much better they’re gonna get but I mean shout out to Kobe though Dana bar was making teams I believe a huge compliment white got better though that’s that’s the point I’m saying he’s at this level now y’ don’t think he can at least sustain this oh yeah yeah but if I just say his ceiling is what he is right now then that’s seen as a knock I’m just saying wherever he goes is where he goes I don’t know where he can take this but I think I expect what he showed this year to hopefully be what he is going forward I hope it wasn’t just a bluke season I hope it wasn’t I think he might he might get better with Josh giddy over there I think Josh giddy can help him a lot I mean I think it’s I think he’s better to play with Josh giddy than Alex Caruso see Josh giddy is better than Alex Caruso yeah I’ve seen you say that in the chat not well I’ve been saying that for weeks since since the trade happened I’m I’m so confused on why everybody is acting like Alex Russo is better than Jos G okay but you believe but you agree that Caruso is better for OKC for OKC yeah I didn’t I didn’t like um I didn’t like Gideon SGA playing together okay okay so yeah then we don’t need to have the right right yeah that’s no big deal I understand the fit thing 100% I like that number 41 said respect Dallas development Tyson Chandler made Derek livley a beast Lively improved a lot at Duke too like over the course of the year so he’s just F ler pimp name slickback says so you think the 2019 draft was worse than 2024 19 Zion J 19 19 yeah of course that’s better yeah yeah that’s better than yeah I think that’s better than 24th my head unless we don’t really these dudes from 24 we don’t know what they what they’re gonna yeah maybe maybe rear turn into the best player in the world never know years you will see when you see these guys go up against people who are not in their draft class right you know what I mean cuz we’ve been seeing these guys going up against each other we seen seeing them you know being compared to each other who goes one who goes six but now what happens when you go up against the 15th pick in last year’s draft as a number one pick and you look worse than him now we see the now we see the Gap right now people are gonna get real critical about dton connect Etc because dton connect was arguably some people’s top five top six pick as a 23y old and he didn’t look great in summer league I’m not I’m not writing the guy off because of Summer League I’m not writing bnie James cof because Summer League I’m just saying it’s it’s relevant to factor in the weakness of this draft shot to K last but not least your highness Charles said the Kings gave up or gave the Spurs their 2031 swap yeah oh yeah um those swap I mean it’s a chance the swaps don’t work um the Grizzlies gave up their pick for ot to stop and that turned into the number two pick in 03 so don’t tell them who that don’t tell them who they took just yeah yeah ignore ignore who the ended up taking just factoring the fact that it could have been Melo or dwade or whoever just ignore who they actually took they long story short the the Vancouver Grizzlies gave up the number two pick in one of the best drafts ever for Ottis Thorp who was like 35 and that’s why I tell you those 2031 picks might matter yeah that’s what yeah it’s possible it could it’s just it’s just risk management it’s risk management 101 right it’s like why do you get insurance why do you get insurance cuz your house down yeah yeah all right y it’s been a good episode we’ve had a good time we will be back again tomorrow at the same time same place same crew y’all pull up with your popcorn like the video on the way out catch PC football later tonight at 5:15 eastern time I’ll see you there later your chain tuck your chain Debo’s coming my tuck your
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Ox is a casual
Isn’t Hurter a free agent?
Ox is my favorite panelist. When he isn't there I tend pay less attention. Ox just brings energetic fan to the panel. He knows ball all around and has grounded takes
Yo I don't really fw yt ppl but Penn knows ball
Perfect for the playoffs when the game slows down
Demar is definitely top 25 in the league.
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Genuinely I don’t think okc will start Hartenstein we will play him off the bench or AT LEAST try it several times this season believe me
Penn talking all slow and methodical with the books in the background isn’t fooling me. What Russ say? He trickin y’all man
kings fighting for play-in again
Scared…..no way! Signed Grizzlies fan.
What episode was it when Ox and Marz had that heated arguement?
Ox a lil too horny this episode but I get it his team got a lil better 😂
Ox turning into Ticket and Swipa wasn't on my bingo card.
I love Ox 😂 he doesn't care about nobody opinion
Ron should be ashamed of himself for that kings shii, OX is a delusional kings fan so it makes sense for him 😂 But Ron is a Damn Shame
Ron saying Chet is a slightly better paint presence than sabonis is horrible.
The wemby glaze is disgusting
All I know is that if the Lakers got Derozan you clowns in the comments would be hyping it up🤣
And yall on OX for being a kings fan and having high hopes for his team but Marz literally picks the 76ers every year and gets it wrong literally every year and yall give him no smoke lmao.
Top left up here yappin about Hartenstein shooting 3sðŸ˜
Ox right about De’Aaron cooking Alex hahaha
Demar Derozen Is Better Than Jimmy Butler
This move makes more sense if they kept barnes and gave up monk ironically
BIG OX I LOVE U BRO! FELLOW KINGS FAN! But relax bro. Relax. DRoz is coo but we need perimeter versatility. Like yesterday.
man man man rontavious that brotha said kings in 6 i cant do it anymore 😂😂😂
Why tf is Bob so sensitive about them bum Kings? How about making the playoffs the Kings under achieved last year! Chill tf out Bob always getting cooked , emotional ninja ðŸ˜
Are you guys gonna cover the Olympic pre-qualifiers, and the US team practices?
So yall don’t wanna play the TWolves and are scared of the Pelicans, but yall should be the favorites to win the conference? How does that make sense? Lol
People are just mad at embiid because it makes US damn near impossible to beat Joel wants to win he ain’t doing that any where else
110-110 im taking Kings, you talkn bout the top 2 clutchest players in the league in Demar and Fox
Pen is intentionally dense sometimes.
Pen is condescending as hell man smh
Demar is a future HoFr based off resume
For the record, Mike Brown isnt drawing up any offense lol Thats Jay Trianos' job
Ron turning the camera off after Marz saying Chicago is building around Josh Giddy 💀💀
BARNES WAS TRASH AS A DEFENDER obviously u didn't watch the Kings
Penn ox good content
That dude top middle be looking goofy af like that 😂
All these haters in here. We dominated most top 5 teams all season. Only team Sac had a problem with is the Pelicans. If Monk and Huerter weren't injured, Sac would have been top 5 in the post season. Most of y'all are casuals.
Ofc starting 5 / most minutes matter then the next 5. You are leaving out that they are matched up against the other teams best 5. Bench mobs are important, but what the heck are we talking about? Sac-town won’t finish top 4 in the west. That isn’t a shot, it just speaks to how talented and deep the west is. This is one of the worst arguments I’ve heard in a long time. I get they are your team, but you have no credibility with this pov.
Ofc starting 5 / most minutes matter more then the next 5. You are leaving out that they are matched up against the other teams best 5. Bench mobs are important, but what the heck are we talking about? Sac-town won’t finish top 4 in the west. That isn’t a shot, it just speaks to how talented and deep the west is. This is one of the worst takes I’ve heard in a long time. I get they are your team, but you have no credibility with this pov. Ox. Watch this back. You are better than this. We all get emotional from time to time.
Great show
Yo top left , stop it …….if you ain’t paying attention to demar anywhere on the floor you’re not paying attention………you will not be leaving that man alone…..if you do you will get cooked ……bring it
I can’t stand dude in black shirt , that arrogant attitude annoys the living shit out of me
Ox an Insane homer calling huerter a good defender💔💔💔
no way I tuned in and dude said the kings are better than the thunder
ox delusional as hell lmao I’d lose my mind talking kings with him