Overall Perceptions Of the Kings Trading For DeMar DeRozan – July 12: The Insiders + D-Lo & KC
good morning chatty house listen to this oh you got good stock again bro this is the prime [ __ ] professional [Laughter] grade amazing I’m printing I’ve started using the yellow printer because the orange one didn’t print my thing the other deck oh no and apparently the yellow printer is where it’s at rust do uh belt yep got second belt of the week congratulations rust doog that good morning everybody the album was weird um I think I I need to give it another spin um he’s just he’s mechanically like incredible right uh I just don’t know that the content is something that I care that much about uh but that’s why I think I need to give it a second spin but it’s the first time in a long time that I’ve wanted to revisit an Eminem album after listening to it nice what up David no Jesse today given Jesse is normal hours very nice up Warren up westac yeah Jesse’s got to be stretched a little thin this week with uh with DLo out it’s a local guy up M Mac what’s up Greg I am feeling better I’m not 100% but I’m feeling way better voice is back yeah you sound a lot better there’s a friend Brett Huff what’s going on what up Brett what’s up Alexis what’s up Jason Z uh no Donuts today Kiren yeah Stacy brought uh salute to Stacy by the way uh she brought Panera oh nice here we go hang on show time oh good morning happy Friday everybody we are sponsored by Jiffy Lube James ham over there Kyle Madson right here we’re hanging out with you until noon on this Friday uh not Ault donut Friday oh no Donuts today which is very very rare for a Friday James I need to turn you uh I need to turn your volume up there you go what’s up man I’m crushed no donut Friday that’s ridiculous Kyle what is happening no I know and this is on look I I’m I’m willing to take full responsibility for this if you’re not familiar with uh with the show or our our cluster here at at Odyssey Sacramento every Friday one of either James or myself brings in donuts for me this started as a little tradition when I worked at our sister station 957 the game in San Francisco I became a regular at a donut shop and that terrified me so I cut it down to once every two weeks I’d go buy a dozen on payday and payday Fridays were dut Fridays well James went no every Friday is a dut Friday I’m bringing Donuts on the off Fridays and if Kyle’s not here on a Payday Friday I’m also bringing in Donuts so today I took it upon myself uh we were not here last Friday which was the payday Friday and I thought hey you know what I should probably bring in Donuts but then I thought you know what not my day I’m GNA put the onus on somebody else to do something nice for the office and lo and behold the boss lady Stacy pulls up with uh just a gang of delicious smelling Bagels from Panera so a huge shout out to Stacy it’s not a dut Friday but it is a bagel Friday uh here at Odyssey Sacramento yeah I feel like down though James I’m I’m out of rhythm here with the donut Friday like once I’m back in the office full-time like I feel like I’m going to have to make up for this I’m going to have to like it’ll be like a donut like Tuesday just to do something weird a donut Tuesday and a donut Thursday and a donut Friday not Monday or Wednesday because there’s no one else in the office yeah yeah no that that’s make it a make it a doughnut Monday but you only need like four Donuts I’ll cover everybody cover here that’s here on a Monday no um I don’t think that’s a necessity I I don’t I don’t because there’s not if everybody was in the office every day we’ll have we’ll talk about sports I promise but if everybody was in the Deon Carter had surgery we’ll get to it uh the Kings could have a little bit different starting lineup look we’ll get to that as well uh but and summer league starts today but if everybody was in the office every day where everybody had the same kind of work rhythms right because you and I and Jesse and dowlo and Casey for the most part save for you know sick days and vacations for the most part it’s a normal week is very much the same everybody gets here about the same time they prep the same way they’re in the same areas of the office and it just kind of like you get in that flow for our sales staff which is hybrid and that goes for for the sales people the the support staff for them they’re they’re on a hybrid like work from home work from the office schedule but then also our salespeople are like out in the field getting face-to-face meetings with with potential clients so uh shout out to them they they work hard so that’s where I think I don’t know that people notice donut Friday I don’t think like I don’t think that’s I think that’s a thing just for us oh no they appreciate it I know definely yeah like the maybe they just don’t understand that it’s a thing that we do but I definitely see like they line up for donut Friday like oh yeah no and that’s not that’s not that that was not what I meant to say at all like people love it and when you bring donuts or I people like hey who brought oh thanks Kyle James thank you so muchy everybody’s super appreciative they’re so nice they dropped money in this little jar for us to to help pay for the it is crazy nice uh how how people how people receive it but let I don’t think it’s in their in the everybody else’s Rhythm the same way it’s in ours oh that’s probably right when we miss a doughnut Friday I don’t think people are like oh there’s not Donuts today just because like the the Friday isn’t as typical for them as it is for for the people of ESPN 132 and the rest of the people who are here seven days a five days a week hey when we miss it I feel it like it just feels like something’s wrong like today I I might have to send somebody down to go get me a dut I’m still not going out in public but I might need somebody to go get me a donut there door Dash some donuts well yeah but I live in the stick so door dashing is going to cost me a bunch of money oh yeah that’s true no no pull up to Door dash on a tractor whatever they whatever they drive up there up in the up in the country um no let’s let’s catch up real quick W with with you James no donut Friday here at the office uh but uh that doesn’t mean that we’re not going to do a show so we didn’t get to chat yesterday uh we gave you the day off and you sound much better today you look much better today happy to see that you are uh trending the right direction but did you have any takeaways either from the cow classic as a whole or from the finale in Golden State um yeah I I mean look I think you can’t expect to see great basketball and the fact that um you know in the final game I thought uh that Keon Ellis and and that group they fought they kept coming back anytime they went to the bench um I thought the bench let them down and that’s to be expected a lot of the bench is guys who may never play even in the G league right um but then overall you saw you know guys like again Keon Mason Jones like really rally and really try to bring the team back and they brought him back from you know down 20 a couple of times uh you don’t want to be down 20 but this is such a good learning experience for Keon Ellis this is what you want for Keon Ellis and I I think that like people who just want to crumple up summer league and throw it away that’s really it does have value it has tremendous value for young players who you know basically have such a set role when when they’re on a team and we might not see Keon Ellis off the bounds we might not see Keon Ellis pull up from 16 feet you know but like a couple of times all season but what he’s doing right now is he’s learning how to do that stuff in in a highly competitive setting in a setting where you know a bunch of guys are out there trying to earn their way to the league and so for me this is it’s great on the job training for for Keon Ellis and again for Mason Jones and some of the other guys and really it stands out that that Devin Carter you know unfortunately can’t be there and is missing out on this opportunity too to kind of see what the next step is in his progression what the next uh level of talent is above college because really that’s where he the summer league and then you know the G league is is right there it’s that next level of talent above the college level right so there’s there’s a ton to unpack here we Devin Carter the Kings announced yesterday he had surgery on his shoulder he will be re-evaluated in six months he will obviously not not be participating in in summer league down in Las Vegas which opens for the Kings today at three o’clock against Memphis my big takeaway from the Cal classic and this ties into a little bit what what we’re going to talk about with with a little bit different idea of what the king starting lineup could look like uh and then it also ties in with with Devin Carter’s injury but Jesse and I both we talked about this a lot yesterday our big takeaway from for me from from every game of of the California classic that Keon Ellis played in but particularly the way he played in that final game where it was clear he the he was the guy they handed him the keys and said you’re go go be a starting caliber NBA player playing in a summer league game and to me that that’s that’s what he was and that’s what he looked like and again not that I’m expecting him to get 21 shots a night and to score 30 on 21 shots every night that’s unrealistic but I do think he quitted himself well enough to comfortably say that as of right now if I’m penciling in a king’s lineup he’s the starting two guard he’s either the starting two guard or or he’s coming off the bench and and playing a major role like I think he cemented himself as a rotational player um as much as anything else I mean look the Kings just went out and signed deard Rosen who is a you know six time Allstar um and we don’t know if he’s going to play the two or the three yeah and so that’s a problem um you think that uh Keon Ellis would make perfect sense starting alongside deard Rosen but that doesn’t mean that that’s what the kings are thinking uh we’re GNA have to wait and see how number one the roster shakes out because I still don’t think they’re done it’s been super quiet but I still don’t think they’re done uh and and on top of that I think you’re going to want to see sort of like how training camp goes how how all these positions start to work themselves out and uh from me you know the Carter injury is is you know not good at all that’s not something that anyone wanted to read that a six-month rehab but again it’s something I heard the day before the draft it’s something we talked about on draft day and the day after that there was potential for him to miss a good portion of the season um we now know for sure I mean he he won’t play at all until January and that’s at the earliest that’s before any rehab or well I mean he’s going to be rehabbing but that’s before any like true test before he’ll be back on the court practicing or anything else so um I’m kind of I kind of want to see where this goes with Devon Carter um you said it’s super quiet I have Devin Carter thoughts as well but I I got I got hung up on you saying it’s been super quiet for the Kings what what do you mean by that in ter is that does that mean they’re not active at all or they’re just not saying that they’re being active what how what am I to take away from that yeah I think over the weekend um I heard a lot of noise that hey look they’re not done they’re not done and uh you know guys like Lori marinen and uh Kyle kosma were people that they were probably going to make a run out again um but nothing’s happened you know we’re we’re four or five days removed from the big monster trade and at this point it’s gone quiet again that doesn’t mean that things aren’t happening um because they very well could be um but if I’m looking at the the roster right now I got to start looking at it honestly and saying okay where are the pieces what’s going on here how can you get better um and and do you have enough roster space if there isn’t a big trade coming to go get some sort of help whether it be at the the four five or the three um this team still has some holes and yeah it does it feels incomplete and uh you know again you saved the offseason by retaining Malik monk you you took a huge steps toward towards winning the off season with demard Rosen but losing your first round pick for you know most of most of his rookie season if not all of his rookie season that’s a big blow a and so where do you go from here yeah yeah the Devin Carter injury I want to I want to dive into that because you’re right it it felt like we knew there was going to be something with the shoulder we didn’t know if it was going to be yeah he’s going to be out for 6 months or he’s going to be out for six like don’t don’t fully know what the extent of that injury is so I do think when when we start stacking up the pieces of this offseason I think his absence is is pretty significant especially given that they traded Davon Mitchell already so now all of a sudden they went from this glut of of guards to hey now they got to kind of figure out how they’re gonna gonna piece this all together so I want to talk about that and what this means for Devon Carter a what it means for the Kings and B just what it means for for Devin Carter and and his role in Year One and and how he could develop in year one and what impact that could have on on the Kings lineup and the Kings rotation we’ll talk about that throughout the show the Kings open summer league today what players are we looking for when they take on the Memphis Grizzlies we’ll talk about the king starting lineup and then uh I’ve got some stuff from the internet that I want to complain about as well uh throughout the course of the day because Kevin Kevin Durant went and uh went on the K atom show hey up and Adams I think it’s called and uh set a funny thing that I would like to get into so we’ll uh we’ll dive into that here on a Friday not a donut Friday though just a regular ass Friday here on the Insiders we are sponsored by Jiffy Lube Jiffy Lube going to help me get my Honda Civic to 300,000 miles salute to Jiffy Loop can’t wait to hit that number he’s James ham I’m Kyle Madson and we’re going to a break we’ll be back in a second on ESPN 1320 Sacramento sports hey James we’re clear man clear um yeah see Mike Loop here’s the problem uh if the big names aren’t available see if uh Walker Kessler is really available um Walker kler Edwards yes exactly uh Mike the problem with with Walker Kessler is the the word is uh Danny a is asking for two first round picks um which is is not like equal to his value uh that’s number one number two um I’m not trading for a a center with two first round picks for a guy who’s going to play 13 to 15 minutes a game behind an all NBA Center does that make sense yeah I agree with this Danny Ang is a scammer that’s the funny thing is I think the league is kind of on to that yeah where teams kind of looked and went wait if Danny a wants to pull the trigger on this trade dude and I don’t blame like I I Danny a is definitely a scammer like don’t get a twisted but also I don’t blame the Jazz for trying to get a team to overpay for Lori barin in no I agree I gonna give the guy away if he would have done that at the trade deadline last year he would have had a lot more value like when you’re walking into this it’s just it’s an ISS it’s an issue this is I want to highlight this hey you were right Jeremy Arondo oh facts Jeremy I thought of you when I saw that yeah um yeah good work and Steve chundo is going to be the the new head the new manager interesting he does not jery oh go ahead sorry James oh I was gonna say I read up on him yesterday he doesn’t have a lot of um he has International play experience but not International coaching experience Jeremy if you’re right about all this uh I will believe anything you say for the rest of my life that’s right 40 seconds excellent can you star that one from Zach actually I can do it never mind I got it back sounds like it okay uh we have eight seconds here we go now back to the Insiders with James ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 James over there Kyle right here salute to Jiffy Lube got some bad news on the Kings front yesterday Devin Carter rookie first round pick underwent shoulder surgery he will be re-evaluated in six months and that’s the key wording there is the dreaded re-evaluation it’s not yeah he’s going to return in six months the NBA is also the only League that does this when a player in the NFL gets hurt say high ankle sprin team just comes out and says yep 68 weeks or whatever whatever the amount of weeks is 6 68 weeks and then it’ll be back not like yeah four weeks we’ll reevaluate and see how he’s doing and in that reevaluation and that dat they go yeah okay three more weeks we’ll reevaluate him again that’s frustrating I don’t like it yeah yeah this is going to be a tough one I mean like I heard on draft night eight months uh like well the day before the draft eight months um I Heard a couple of days after draft night six to eight months uh was the recovery time from the type of surgery um but then you know when he came in uh for his rookie interviews and stuff um you know like at that Point Monty McNair couldn’t even like confirm whether he was going to play in the California classic or not and that’s clearly not the case so uh yeah I’m just I I want to know the Dynamics of how this all worked out um I do know like look I know he’s a little bit older Prospect at 22 and so you would hope that he’d be able to step on the court and play right away but this is also a pick for like today tomorrow three years from now and that’s something that Monty brought up as well you don’t draft for today you draft for the future and uh and I I totally agree with that like it’s a bummer that he’s not going to play but at the same time um you know red shirting as a as a rookie is not a horrible thing and getting to understand the travel and the the rigors of an NBA season and and what it takes to learn and all that stuff watch From the Bench all of that it does have value and uh so hopefully there there comes a point where he does get back on the court but I would be surprised if it’s not um you know something you know mid wasn’t wasn’t the whole thing during the draft about how they needed to find somebody who could help this year if they were going to use the pick oh yeah like we we 86 to anybody who was younger than 20 years old because oh that player can’t help this year no it’s it’s very true and so now you’ve got a a rookie who’s going to be re-evaluated in six months so let’s get optim istic with it and let’s say that he is ready to play in January I don’t think that’s going to be the case but let’s say he’s ready to play by January so now you have this rookie who’s coming into a situation where that you’re post Christmas it is go time it is trade deadline coming up rotations have for the most part been established at this point um and now you not only have to figure out where this guy fits into your rotation but also he’s starting at Square One ofar learning how to be an NBA player on on the court like you said there’s value in the off court stuff he’s going to be in filing room he’s going to be watching practice uh he make it to travel some and be on the road and do all that that’s all that’s all great but on the court I just don’t know how if you have even in again even in the most optimistic sense where he is back on the court in January that it’s really hard to be optimistic that he’s going to have much of a role if any outside of oh uh we got a couple of guys in foul trouble go give us three minutes oh yeah I would say his impact on the court is going to be absolutely nil this season um and to be honest with you once he does get healthy if he if he’s let’s say he’s healthy by February like I’m gonna want him just send him to the g-league let him get his legs underneath him um because we always talk about this that’s a point in the season that January is where the Kings always have like their longest road trip of the season right it’s always in January it’s that it’s the month where you don’t have practice like there’s no way to get him on the court and have him take physical contact and like sort of clear the basic steps that the Kings have you know you get you’re cleared uh they let you play some three on three uh with some of the coaching staff the three on three becomes full court three on three um and and the next thing you know it’s like five on five no contact and then five on five with contact like they they have a very strict like way that they build you back up to play a and so it’s difficult to see that happening uh when we’re talking about not only you know January February and like the Sprint but also the trade deadline and also Allstar week and all that stuff so it’s tough to to figure where he’s going to be able to play before maybe March you know and and if he can pick up some minutes here and there just to get his feet wet just to give you an extra body um maybe that does help but uh I wouldn’t expect any major contribution from him in year one because of this here’s why here’s why this is this is a little bit disappointing to me and and please I want to make sure I’m being very clear here I don’t think this derails the king’s chances to do whatever they were going to do this season it’s not that it is not that dramatic but it is a little disappointing for me because when they drafted Devin Carter and I did some reading and did some watching and I went man he might just be better he might give them more than Davon Mitchell did right like out of the gate they might have just improved their roster right now and might not saying he would have been better than Davon but I I thought there was a a definite chance that by December or January you could have a version of of Devin Carter that was contributing in in more ways or in in more productive ways than than Davon was you went man they their guard rotation is even better and TCG in the in the YouTube chat in the chatty house said uh they won’t need him unless there are a few injuries and that’s a bummer to me I I don’t I don’t disagree but but that’s a bummer to me because I thought he was going to have an impact this year and now like you said it seems like even if he is healthy by by some point in January early February he’s probably going down to Stockton and he’s probably getting his his SE legs there and that’s that’s kind of a that’s just a little disappointing to me because I was I was really excited for what he could he could bring in year one even if it wasn’t you know approaching his ceiling I thought I could be a really effective player for them on on both ends as a playmaker I thought so too I thought like 18 16 18 minutes maybe 20 minutes per game in like a perfect setting but I also know that the car the the King’s Guard depth is is pretty solid still they did bring in Jordan mlin who can easily handle like 11 to 12 minutes T night maybe a little bit more um you’re gonna have other guys that again I think this might open a door for a guy like Mason Jones to be on the court a little bit more than you expected as a two-way player had a good off yeah yeah and you know again he’s done a bunch of work on his body and and maybe he is more you know at like 25 26 maybe he’s more NBA uh ready to to step on the court and help you right now if you’re going to be a team that thinks that they can win 50 or more um you know maybe he is somebody that can help you uh even if it is as on a limited basis so um yeah I mean this is about opportunity it’s about Keon Ellis all a sudden getting an opportunity to prove that he’s your guy right uh it might open the door for Kevin herder to maybe hey he could open the season as a starting shooting guard that was my next question that was that was my next question because I’ve been operating under the assumption this entire offseason that Kevin herder is out the door but in some deal in some trade and it’s not because he’s bad in fact I I think part of the reason I was so uh confident that he was going to get moved is because I think he has a lot of value as an NBA player it’s just when you start to to piece things together for the Kings I don’t I don’t know that I I he could fit anybody any team will take a 6′ seven uh shooter who’s going to who’s going to give you 40 plus percent from Beyond The Arc but I also don’t know that that’s a role that he wants to take on because I think he knows he has more to offer than that so it was just kind of I don’t I don’t quite see how he fits into this picture but now with Devin Carter down it it does open that door for for Kevin herder to potentially play whether it’s at the two or or at the three and it makes me come back to what we were talking about at the top of the show with the Kings being a little bit a little bit quiet since since making the demard de rzan trade is it because they got word of what Devin Carter was going to need surgery wise and all of a sudden Kevin herder becomes a little bit less indispensable dispens dispens yeah I would definitely think that that’s a possibility that that you know that Kevin herder actually he does make sense he makes sense playing alongside uh d rozan as far as the spacer and you know I think the one thing that we know about Kevin herder is that when he’s right he can really shoot the ball um we also we don’t know where he’s at with his rehab uh you know he had a torn laborum as well um and and it’s funny because we didn’t hear six months from when the Kevin herder injury happen we heard four to five months um so it it just makes me think that maybe there was a little bit more to uh the Devin Carter surgery than than what we thought um but like look the league is about opportunity and who takes advantage of it and uh for me again one of the the key guys that’s going to get an opportunity here is going to be Keon Ellis but then who else wants to stand up and raise their hand and say hey I’m willing to to take on a bigger role and I’m capable of taking on a bigger role and whether that again is Kevin or it’s uh Mason Jones or you know name that player that that maybe not even be on the roster yet uh you know I think there there will be a little bit of a scramble here to uh to sort of shore up the rest of the rotation yeah can’t wait to see how that all shakes out because I’m I’m with you I just can’t I I don’t believe that the roster as it currently stands is what the roster is going to look like uh when they head into training camp we got to hit a break I have a king’s lineup question for you and our guy Tom L in the chatty house asked a question that I would like to address because I think it’s something that that uh I have a question on and a thought on and I I think a lot of other people probably do as well just one of the big names that the kings were were rumored to be in in uh in on in in on in the trade market we will uh we will discuss that coming up next as well he’s James ham I’m KY Madson We’re The Insider sponsored by Jiffy lubit ESPN 1320 sac Sports here hey clear sweetu my wife brought me toast I’m going full KY car away here he said I’m going full Kenny carway here and I went oh you got a PJ h a little sourdough uh-huh my wife’s paralal made her own fresh sourdough it’s really good brought us around yo this is so Travis Kelce is at the American Sentry Championship right now up in Tahoe you ever get a chance to go to that by the way go to that I love it it was it’s super fun I’m gonna push to go next year our show okay um but I guess Travis Kelce used to be like one of the most approachable dudes out there this year he’s doing no media oh um my buddy who’s a big golf fan and his wife who does not care about sports at all got up at 3 a.m. this morning to get out the door at 4:30 to beat traffic and get up there um and the only reason she agreed to do that is because she’s a big Taylor Swift fan and Travis Kelce was going to be there uh Chris Beerman is up covering the ACC for uh the Sacramento B and said that the crowds for Kelsey are way bigger than even Steph Curry ever had them there which if you ever saw a crowd following Steph Curry that’s a lot of people and Kelsey has way more people than that that is nutty dude so that tournament usually falls on my anniversary weekend so when we were younger we the wife and I would go up and we would just hang out in Tahoe her her grandparents were like high rollers at haras um and they had a house in Tahoe so we would go up and hang out and then we’d go we’d always get dinner reservations at the the top of heras and that’s where a huge amount of the players go um so like having dinner um like one night I had um J uh Joe thyman like was back toback our seats were together like right next to each other and you look over and there’s like uh Dan Marino and Ben rothberger having dinner and I think that’s that’s probably the weekend that Ben rothberger had his issue in uh in Tahoe H yeah and then I went up one year and covered it um at least one maybe twice I covered it with Jimmer when Jimmer was there during the lockout can’t wait for us Olympian Jimmer for that yeah three on three Champion we doing here oh shoot it’s fun there’s a go ahead what’s that 10 seconds sweet all right now back to the Insiders with James ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 oh you betcha got something in my eye oh no that’s annoying that’s so annoying oh gone got it let’s go come on Big Time W Applause for me it he’s James I’m Kyle hanging out with you until noon then we’ll hand it off to Kenny carway no Damen Barling this week Dow out on vacation but Kenny’s been doing a great job uh filling in Kenny and uh Jesse and various friends have uh have popped into DLo and Casey been a fun show so make sure to stick around for them as well Tom L in the chatty house youtube.com ESPN 1320 if you want to hang out with us there we highly encourage you to do so but again salute to everybody who’s listening on the radio on ESPN 1320 and on the free Odyssey app we appreciate you as well and everybody watching on Twitch twitch.tv ESPN 1320 Tom L said the Jake Fisher said the kings are out on marketing do you think that’s true I don’t buy it I buy that 100% James you can tell me if I’m wrong uh but what I believe happened and again James tell me if I’m wrong I’m going to float my theory here and then you can you can correct it as needed my theory is that the Jazz want to extend Lori Markin in but also they would take the moon for him if a team wants to trade him Allah the Brandon iuk situation with the 49ers and um the Kings said hey we’ll give you this offer and the Jazz saidwe would like Keegan Murray please and the King said no thanks and the Jazz aren’t moving off of wanting Keegan Murray in that deal and so the kings are probably off of that deal if it’s going to have to involve Keegan Murray that’s what I think yeah I think that that’s a like the Keegan Murray thing for me like he’s never been part of the deal that’s that’s just what it is right so he’s never been part of the transaction and so it really does come down to like how many pieces how many future draft assets and all that stuff are you going to go in I want to pause you real quick just to clarify so the Jazz never asked for Keegan Murray no no I’m sure they asked for Keegan Murray but from the King standpoint yeah from the King standpoint got it got it got no no the Kings want Keegan Murray to be part of what they’re building here and not part of a trade for a guy who’s on a on a one-year deal um it doesn’t matter how good that one-year deal is like you’re gonna have to pay him after this year um so so look I think what they’ve done is they’ve thrown like as much draft Capital as they can uh at at Utah and said like this is what we would offer you know it would have to be like Kevin herder along with um like three firsts and and a couple of pig swaps and and maybe you get that deal done maybe you don’t um but the offer has always kind of been sitting there if Utah wants to actually like have a conversation um like outside of that I don’t think that there’s a lot of room for these two teams to play and and that’s where you know the Kings you know again they’ll have that offer out there and it’ll be like like look it’s in your inbox if if you want to take that offer we think it’s competitive to what like the Golden State Warriors might offer you or what player I mean team you know that team X might offer you but that’s where we’re willing to go and then at the same time the Kings have been you know in on on other players around the league that they think would make sense for them as well and whether that’s uh you know a guy like Kyle kusma who’s under contract for another three years or a guy like uh cam Johnson who might make sense in some way um you know a guy like Brandon Ingram cam Johnson yeah well I I just I don’t think he’s he’s proven that he’s an an upgrade in your situation um and then again like the Brandon Ingram thing I think will come up a bunch of times there are a lot of teams around the league that that sound like are not willing to pay Brandon Ingram the 40 million plus that he’s going to want and free agency and uh so I think his Market is cooled which is to me really surprising that you have Lori marken’s Market way up here and Brandon Ingram’s Market not way up there uh so I’d like to see what happens here I have a question regarding Brandon Ingram because we’ve talked a little bit about the the first and second aprons and how that’s that’s changing how teams have operated a little bit this offseason I think it’s fascinating that Brandon Ingram it it appears the market has cooled on him because of his desire to get a Max contract and I thought he was the level of player who would just get that max deal because that’s what happens in the NBA we talked about this with with some of the rookie extensions and and like with Keegan Murray how I wondered is Keegan a guy that you’re going to give a based on what we know right now a Max rookie extension to and then you and Kenny I think correctly said yeah that’s just that’s how this goes like Scotty Barn same deal like they’re going to build around him so you give him a Max extension because that’s that’s how this works and so I’ve just always been operating under the idea that Brandon Ingram was goingon to get a max deal from somewhere but I’m wondering if because of the way the CBA is now structured and and the way the salary cap now works with the aprons the teams are looking at a player like Brandon Ingram and going yeah he’s a nice player he is not a max player yeah that’s where I’m kind of at too like you know what he means for your build you know he made an All-Star team but number one um players very rarely like look at their games played and are willing to take a contract that is a percentage of their games played a and for me if let’s say You’re Gonna Play in 70% of your games well that’s not enough for a Max money contract uh it is if you’re oh we got frozen ham you got frozen ham who had 1038 1038 for frozen ham winner oh he’s back I’m back you froze for a second go on yeah so so for me like look I think he’s a really really good player but he wants great player money and the question is can he Elevate himself above say like a Tobias Harris who always got play paid as a great player but wasn’t a great player he’s a really good player but not a great player and that makes things really difficult for a team to continue to build out their roster when you have somebody who isn’t who’s making money that’s not uh that’s not either showing up and being able to play enough games or who who’s not able to deliver you to a certain level so like Star level players deserve Star level money and that’s where I think the NBA is probably you’re right about the aprons um this is where sort of the the rubber meets the road here like guys are going to have to earn those Max money contracts some guys are getting them still but there is going to come a point here where it’s like yeah we just can’t do that dude we just can’t we can’t give you that much money uh you’re not that you’re not worth it it’s that you might not be worth it and and that’s tough it’s tough for a team to have that that realization where you know again a guy like damus sabonis some people think is overpaid even though he keeps making all NBA teams the fact is that dude’s a warrior he goes out and plays every game that he possibly can and and you know that’s different it’s different so um I don’t think it’s just about the numbers anymore I think it’s about the numbers and like at the end of the day what are we gonna what’s going to happen to our team in the 20 to 25 games that you miss every year can we hold up and if not I don’t think I want to invest that type of money in you well and when he is on the court I I this is the same this is similar to the conversation that I I have a lot on on I I host a 49ers podcast for for those of you that don’t know Candlestick Chronicles check it out but this is a conversation we have a lot there about paying quarterbacks and I think with Brandon Ingram is a really really good example of this where the NFL is just a hard cap League there’s a number what whatever I don’t even know what the number is this year 220 something I don’t know but whatever the number is that’s your cap there’s no luxury tax there’s no going over there’s no aprons it’s just you that is your number and when a quarterback like like to a Tong of vioa for example with the Dolphins and the question is hey is he elevating your team or is he a product of the team around him and I think that the same question is I think you can ask the same thing with with Brock pie in San Francisco just to keep it local but as a football you have to pay that player because it’s so hard to find a a like quality quarterback regardless of what the talent around him looks like but by paying that player you’re now going to hand handcuff yourself down the road by not being able to to pay for the type of supportting cast that made them successful initially and I think that’s where and and NFL teams are paying their quarterbacks that’s just kind of how it goes but my theory on it has always been like yeah hey let that quarterback test the market and keep paying the the guys around him and see if you can find another quarterback who can come in and be successful your system and I think Brandon Ingram is kind of the first player we’ve seen Who falls into the category of well you got to Max him but he’s not going he at least as of now he’s not going to get maxed and I think it’s partly because of the the injury stuff that you’re talking about but I also think it’s partly because of hey when he is on the court what’s he doing is he a Max is he consider Jason Tatum is a max player LeBron James is a Max play Steph Curry like that’s the that’s the level of player we’re talking about it’s like is is Jason or I’m sorry is Brandon Ingram that even when he’s healthy let’s say you’re he’s given you 82 games I don’t know that because of because of the way the the salary cap is structured now in the NBA it’s like man if you could take the the 42 million he’s going to get and pay two21 million players you might get more production no I I think you’re right and and the fact that they’ve done a good job of drafting and developing Talent behind them and that Trey Murphy is like all a ready to play and and you’re going to have to pay him um and you’re going to have to pay Zion and now you brought into Jon Murray whose contract just jump to $28 million a year and you got to pay CJ mcallum like there’s only so much you can do right so I think there are some points where like you bring in talent and you develop it and you have it and and there comes a point where you have to make a decision on you know whether or not that’s the guy that you’re going to hook like hit your wack to to take you to the next level and if he hasn’t proven he can do that I think it is a lot like some of the quarterbacks we’re looking at um you know like Dak Prescott dak’s another one yeah like how many how many games is that guy gonna win in the in the postseason and the answer is like Brock C’s won way more than him already and and he’s played two seasons so so it’s really tough to kind of look at like where it is that you as a team is going to go and how do you this out now that’s not saying that Brandon Ingram couldn’t go to the Sacramento Kings and become like an all-nba player and like just phenomenal I mean he’s 26 years old he’s shown that potential before he’s averaged over 25 points a game in a season um but there is a certain amount of RIS risk of not only giving up something to get him but then the cost of keeping him and then what kind of depth do you have to have on your team behind him if that’s who you do go with you know we can talk all we want about Demar de R rozan being 34 years old going on 35 fact is he led the league in in minutes per game and total minutes last season like the dude’s a baller and that’s what the Kings kind of have gone out and gone for is these guys that if nothing else they’re they’re available and on the court um as we get frozen ham second time 1044 come down and collect winnings um as we discuss what uh which players in the NBA are getting paid and which ones aren’t I want to bring up Deon marray I want to stop on that real quick there was a point during last season where I kind of I was kind of in on the idea of the Kings getting dejonte Murray and regardless of what it would have taken it was just kind of like man I think he I think he would fit you ratchet up the the defense a little bit I know he wasn’t great defensively with the Hawks but playing alongside a more defensive minded guard like and fox might help him out and I just kind of I I like the Deonte Murray idea but then Deonte Murray got traded to pelicans and I was kind of like I don’t like that anymore so I think uh I think the Kings did a good job not panicking last offseason and and going and getting Deonte Murray um are we getting James back oh nope he went away there he is hello James I switched Wi-Fi nice welcome back welcome back into the program sorry everybody that’s okay go on continue yeah I like this is a player that like if you’re going to look at him honestly how many games is he going to play what kind of depth do you need behind him and and that’s tough the last thing you want to do is to bring in yet another 25 to $40 million player a and now you’re going to be up against not only the first apron but the second apron and you know like is your team good enough and can he be the the piece that puts you into the real conversation the championship conversation and it’s possible Brandon Ingram is that guy but it’s also possible he’s not and and you have this this problem that you know he’s got to show that he can play 70s something games a year cons uh consecutively and and like really prove that that’s a player that he is because he’s not good enough to pay $40 million a year if he’s only playing 60 games yeah man I I’m the Pelicans are a weird team dude because I can’t I think they’re in a tier with the Kings right now I think even though you know they beat Sacramento six times last year it’s a bad match up for for the Kings No Doubt but over the course of an 82 Game season I I think they’re roughly in the same spot and it’s just they all they’re all like dejonte Murray and Brandon Ingram and Zion Williamson they all fit just kind of in the same bucket to me of a really good player but I don’t do trust any of of those any of like can you see that group of players winning a title together I don’t no no I think you’re right kind of dangerous I think they’ve collected a bunch of really expensive non Allstars guys who maybe can make an All-Star team in their career and and again that’s what you need to avoid if you’re the Kings as well you don’t want to have a bunch of Fringe Allstars and not the one guy who can put you over the top um but but the Pelicans problem has always always been that it doesn’t matter how good the talent is if they don’t play it’s really difficult to win in the NBA yeah dude it it so much of so much of their and and we have to like with the Kings we have to see how the Pelicans roster shakes out I think they’re still in the hunt for a center um would they sign Daniel Ty I I can’t I can’t imagine that they are that they are done trying to make moves at the center position so we’ll we’ll see how the rest of the roster shakes out and we’ll see what happens with Brandon ingr but it sounds like they’re going to go into season with him on their team but it feels like all of it like they were they were on the brink of beating the Lakers in the playing game last year um thanks to Zion he was so freaking good in that game before he got hurt yep and that’s I I think that they’ve they’ve hitched their wagon to him because in the event that he does get healthy in the event that he he’s he he figures it out and he is he’s giving it 75 games games a year and he’s given you playoff runs then sure Zion Williamson I think is the type of player who could who could carry a team to to a couple of Playoff Series victories but but at the same time I think every year we’re just going to go in with the same idea of the Pelicans it is what you just said how how healthy are they and I don’t think there’s ever been a team in the history of sports that when you look at their roster and you went yeah if they can stay healthy yeah no that’s a good team if if because they got a bunch of injured guys I don’t think that team has ever put it all together to win a title yeah I mean that team it always feels it that that’s kind of the way they’re built but I’ll say like look they’ve done a great job of building depth right that team is deep they’ve got a ton of talent um the problem is that that Talent becomes expensive too uh you know depth becomes expensive and and all of a sudden they don’t have the ability to pay that depth as well and that’s why you’re talking about the Brandon Ingram versus the Murphy situation it’s why they lost n Marshall um it’s I mean realistically they don’t have a center they lost their Center to free agency and they traded another one to get dejonte Murray and now they’re here they are like trying to pick up scraps off the scrap Heap to to get through that’s not a good position to be in at all if you’re if you’re a team who has aspirations and like look I I would put them in the same tier as the Kings right now as like that 56 looking at the the top four with the potential to move into the top four depending on injuries depending on everything else but I’d have a lot more faith in the Kings than I would the Pelicans just because they have all these question marks still and and the biggest question mark is is going to be the one that that there’s no way to shake and that is that a good portion of their players are fullon injury prone players yeah yeah I’m right there with you that’s James ham I’m comad we’re the Insiders Jiffy Lube sponsors this program we’re hanging out with you until noon uh Greg detab is in the chatty house and you can hang out in the chatty house at twitch.tv/ ESPN 1320 or youtube.com ESPN 1320 Greg asks uh James and Kyle who is your number one potential available right now I think it’s Lori marinin right because I take that question I’m gonna wipe out all the future stuff and what do this mean just if the Kings went and got Lori marinin I would put them in a bucket of teams that could make a real run this year yeah I think so I mean I I would like to say kozma as well um just because I think kozma fits really well um you know but but I’m never sold 100% on him as a player and I’ll say like look the same thing we’re saying about um Brandon Ingram it it’s the same thing for Lori marinin like the guy has not been able to stay healthy his entire career um and and he’s on a uh he’s on a one-year deal and you’re going to have to give up a whole bunch to get him that’s why it always why we always come back to kozma as like the fallback and whether that’s fair or not I mean the fact that he’s on a declining scale contract for the next three years and that’s like his 29 30 and 31 year Seasons like really is Prime in the NBA um like I I think it kind of matches up not just with what you’re building right now but with the Demar de Rosen Edition so like and that’s where I would continue to to tell people like the Kings shouldn’t be done like they might be done they might not make another transaction here that’s that’s Earth shattering but they really shouldn’t be because they just opened a window and it’s a three-year window where you have demard de Rosen and and realistically it’s a two-year window with A10 million buyout in the final year um but you open a window with a a guy who’s going to be 35 this season and you want to take advantage of that window and and that means going out and making the necessary moves to get better right now and it doesn’t always feel good but what I don’t want to see is that the Kings didn’t make a move or they didn’t go out and and pick up player X because they’re right up against the luxury tax like look you’re the one who chose a path now now follow that path and see where that path takes you because you can’t back away once you get to this point you can’t have a group of players that are 26 to 28 and bring in a 35y old to put you over the hump and then not go all in and that’s kind of where we’re at so um I’m intrigued I’m intrigued to see what happens over the next couple of weeks as as we try to figure out what it is that this team’s going to look like with the finish product product will be going into training camp so to your point Lori marinan has played 403 games in seven years that is just under 58 games a year he played 55 last season 60 6 the year prior 61 before that and then 51 50 52 and 68 he’s never gotten to 70 games in a season yeah I mean the talent is there but if you can’t stay healthy now look I also would make the argument that um you know some guys are just unlucky um some training staffs aren’t as good as other training staffs it’s possible you get to Sacramento and and you got a training staff that keeps him in Prime shape and he’s able to stay healthy that’s always a possibility uh but it’s also possible you make a a trade for a guy and he plays 55 games this season and then you lose him and you gave up a whole bunch to get him and you got nothing to show for it but you know a like good fry and and that’s not what you’re you’re trying to do here you’re trying to build a sustainable winner for for the next you know eight years that’s that’s the key to what they’re trying to do here and taking a a gamble on some of these guys is tough I’m I’m with you they’re trying to build this you know sustainable winner over the next eight years but I think there’s a there’s a pretty fine line to walk there and this is why team building is so hard right because you want to build a sustainable winner but at the same time every year that you’re going ah we’re not going to push the chips in this year because we’re trying to keep it sustainable it’s like every year you do that okay well now you’re trying to build a sustainable winner for seven years and then six and then five like it’s s at some point there has to be that leap but that’s that’s where the hang-up comes in with like Lorie marinan could that help this year like a th% I think the kings are a playoff team now I think they would be uh have a have a potential top one in the west look if they have Lori marinin on their team this year but are you mortgaging your entire future for a potential one-year push with Lori marinin where he exits in the offseason and then you’re stuck with the team you have now okay yeah you’re a playoff team but your chances to to contend for a title are greatly diminished and then also you have mortgaged your future so that sustainable run is now no longer available like that’s a really really tough line to walk yeah yeah I totally agree and and I would like they’re kind of at a point when when you’re sitting at a blackjack table and you look down and and you’ve got an 11 in your hand and you look over and the dealers got like a Four showing like the only move right there there there is not any other statistical move than to turn over your cards and double down that’s it that’s that’s the the play win or lose it doesn’t matter like the only play is to play by the numbers and the numbers tell you that that you double down on 11 with a dealer with a fourth going and because not only are you in the position to to take one card and potentially you know have have a 21 but the deal is also in a position to bust that’s kind of where the kings are at right now they’re in a position where the the gambles that they take whatever it is they take right now like this is almost what you have to do like you put yourself in a position where again you you’re not bringing along a rookie this season um you’re trying to develop Keon Ellis you’re trying to develop keeg Murray but realistically this season has become about winning right now it’s about maximizing demard de rosen’s final two or three years as an NBA Pro uh maybe something crazy happens and you get to three years into this contract and he’s still going strong and you’re like okay why not let’s just ride this thing out and see how far he can take us uh as like a 38 year old 39 year old okay that’s always a possibility but the realistic thing right now is to look at your hand and go okay the odds makers tell me that I am a playoff team and if I want to take that next jump I have to do something one other move that puts me over the top and and that’s to put your chips in next to the ones you already put in and and just see what happens speaking of fours showing a lineup idea for the Kings they could have a player coming off the bench to start what would that look like what would it mean for the rest of the starting lineup we’ll talk about that next he’s James ham I’m Kyle mads and we’ve got an hour to go on The Insider sponsored by Jiffy lub on ESPN 1320 Sacramento sports C sorry everybody I’m searching for inter stability today who Among Us you know you know the funny thing is I came on from Cabo and had much better internet service in Cabo than I do at home oh crystal clear it was incredible yeah is that weird no because in Cabo you’re not in the Sticks oh everyone good this Friday Vibes up for everyone I don’t think Bobby Porters is available yeah I maybe like maybe for the right price but I don’t think the kings are going to be willing to pay that they haven’t done anything they just they signed Delon Wright I think they the Bucks did that right oh yeah I think so like that’s it really done anything else well the Lakers haven’t done anything they drafted bronny after that they’ve done nothing connect oh no that’s that’s the Bucks also got homie from who left the Lakers uh uh toian Prince oh all right that’s right oh word Rand Ramsey making moves H by the way got a fun little announcement coming Monday uh not show related it’s semi show it’s not related to it doesn’t affect the program I don’t know what this is love going camping I’ll tell you after the show uh actually maybe check your email we got an email about it today yeah oh see the thing the thing is I don’t think they’re in win now mode to the point that you’re trading Keegan Murray like Keegan’s helping you win so yeah they they want to win now but I don’t think it’s also punt on your best young asset mode I also don’t think it’s uh I also don’t think it’s necessarily developing Keon Al oh well if Lil Wayne says it yeah sneaky Turtle uh I I think I I’ve I’ve Got The Vibes bouncing back tonight I believe in you m uh liia rock with Dutch Bros for sure uh I don’t do it a lot though because it feels like dessert to me it does it’s very sweet yeah yeah and it’s not anti the the like I’ll do I’ll get a cold brew from there sometimes and their cold brew is really good um which is like a little cream in it but my my problem with Dutch Bros is the line is usually just gargantuan at the one nearest to my house so I just don’t I don’t go that much I want to lot during the pandemic when I was the only person on the road yeah I didn’t if I I can’t unless like we talked about it last year the only way you’re trading Keegan is if somebody who’s not realistically available is available yeah yeah like you can bring it up as like a thought exercise but it’s just kind of like there’s nobody out there who in the in the market that I’m putting ke on the table for okay here we go hour number two number two that’s James ham I’m Kyle Madson they’re Jiffy Lube they sponsor the program a big shout out to our friends over at Jiffy Lube yeah no uh I don’t Casey Tucker in the chatty house youtube.com asn1 1320 twitch.tv ESPN 1320 and thank you to everybody listening on the free Odyssey app and of course on 1320 a.m 91699 1320 99169 91320 if you would like to join the show uh Casey Tucker we were talking a little bit about Dutch Bros at the break the the coffee shop and I said I don’t go that much I I I like the coffee but I don’t go that often because the the line is usually a bit too long for for what I’ve got going on I can’t I can’t see the line and Casey Tucker said the line can’t be that bad at 4 am when you’re heading to the show I don’t leave that early anymore we had some changes that several months ago here that uh don’t require me to leave that early I’m leaving the I’m leaving the house at like 6 now and the line’s not bad at 6:00 in the morning it’s it’s usually fine but I don’t buy coffee as much on my way to work anymore so gotcha I like Dutch Bros though yeah I’m I’m I’m okay with it it’s it’s a little too sweet for me yeah like in the morning I like uh you know like I I have cream in the coffee there uh at at the office you know you do go cream and don’t you go flavored coffee too though like that’s still pretty sweet well no just like regular flavor like a hazelnut flavored coffee just has a hint of hazelnut yeah I don’t know they Dutch Bros tastes like full-blown dessert ites Del like don’t get to I I well when I do go to Dutch I go to town bro uh I’m not gonna I have a t I’ll say I’ll save the no it’s fine um basketball basketball not bkb uh Anthony Slater friend of the program writes at the athletic does a great job covering the uh Sacramento Kings of Golden State Warriors um floated the possibility today of Trey ly starting at the four for the Kings and I think that’s uh I I I wouldn’t personally do that because I don’t like the idea of taking um I don’t I don’t like the idea of taking Keon Ellis out of the starting lineup for Trey LS because in that scenario you’re going Fox One D rozan 2 Keegan 3 l 4 domas five and that that gets Keegan out of the the four which is which is nice uh I I think he’s better suited at that at the small forward spot but I also don’t love Trey lyes as the the starting power forward yeah I mean I think that’s a it’s kind of a weird issue here like first of all this idea was floated last season like down the stretch like probably in March we started to hear like well what if they did this and and I know it’s something that was kind of like there are people within the walls that have to support this idea of Trey ly starting and I don’t want to like anyone get this wrong like I like Trey lyes I’ve been like a uh one of the guys who have been like on the Trey L’s bandwagon for a while I think when you’re a good team having players like Trey ly um it it helps you sustain it helps you become even a better team High basketball i q um can shoot the three can rebound uh you know can mix it up can take somebody off the dribble here and there uh but my problem with Trey even though he’s he’s done a ton of work on his body and he continues to get like in better and better shape and in the way that I want to say that Jason Thompson used to do like Jason Thompson used to reinvent his body every year and you know he went from this kid coming out of Rider with his feet facing the wrong way when he take a jump shot to a guy who really by the time he was done could have played multiple positions but was just lean and mean and like like a guy who had done the work right and I think Trey LS has become that guy um but still I don’t know how he he acts as like a switching forward in in rotations and especially if you’re moving Keegan to the three and and you’re switching everything all the time like Trey Tre lles is a quality Defender but he’s a quality Defender against like second Team guys more than he is against First Team guys right so the other problem that I have is that I think Trey ly should be playing the four and the five for this team and last season we saw the Kings walk into the year U like coming into training camp they had five centers um before they decided to wave nus kada and uh nland Noel um but this offseason right now they’ve got Deus sabonis and they’ve got uh they’ve got um Alex Alex Len right and so I think you’re gonna need Trey to play some backup four uh backup five and I just like the flow of the offense better with him at that position and being able to use him in multitude of of positions um and using his versatility more than what I think having him start at the at the four would do um plus like let’s just be honest the Kings don’t have the depth to do that move at this point they don’t that’s that’s that’s that’s the the highlight of this for me yeah is that okay I that’s that’s fine like on the surface somebody in the in the chatty house said they need more size in the starting lineup love this idea but I that that be fine if they had more depth at that spot they just they they don’t and I think that highlights the biggest problem with their roster right now is is the fact that like Trey L is I think in a perfect role where he’s the seventh or eighth guy and he can play some small ball five for he’s a backup for just I think he’s super ideal in that role and the fact that the the move is well what if he starts don’t love that I don’t I don’t I I I don’t I don’t love that idea well Kyle and I think your point I is very very on on point like realistically the the fact that in order to start Trey lyes you’re gonna take Keon Ellis out of the starting lineup um you just got worse defensively and and you know I think there’s already going to be questions about your your defense with demard de Rosen um we can look at Advanced numbers all we want but the fact is you know we’re talking about a 35y old guy um so you’re going to have to worry about that as as part of a problem you know like can he hold up defensively for all for 82 games um but uh I think having him next to Keon Ellis makes a lot more sense I mean the Kings you know like that that it also puts you in the weird situation that like where are you going to get your Malik monk minutes you know I know you’re going to get him at the backup one you’re going to get him at the backup two but like does that just eliminate Keon Ellis completely because your number one and number two and number three like minutes per game guys are fox D rozan and uh and sabonis and even throwing Keegan Murray there like how are you gonna manage that aspect where do you get these other guys on the court and and to me that’s that’s part of a problem too and you still don’t have the long athletic shop blocking you know three or four to pair with sabonis to pair with d rozan to pair like that’s a problem it’s as big a problem as anything else I don’t have any problem with uh you know again trading for a guy like Kyle kusman putting him at the four and having Trey lyes back up the four and the five and then still having K and Murray at the three and Demar Rosen and now you got to figure it out you’re figuring it out then with you know like like nine really really high caliber NBA players that’s I don’t think where they’re at today uh let’s get to the phones real quick 91699 1320 9169 91320 Don you’re on the Insiders which is sponsored by Jiffy Lube FYI your thoughts on Trey lyes starting at the four for the Kings uh great trade for Marvin Bagley first and foremost perfect U no um I just wanted to give you guys some love man um it was super stoked when you guys came on only took you about a week to really kind of get your Synergy and you guys having looked back I listen to y’all every day when I open up so first of all I just want to appreciate y’all my man thank you checks in the mail and uh secondly as a lifelong Kings fan I want to give my shout out to Mr Monty McNair um it’s been a rough you know 30 plus years as a Kings fan and when he took over we can talk about the lineup and the lineup was just you know lot of question marks Fox we didn’t even know if you know Fox was going to get that Max extension he was kind of at a low so you know he took over a bad roster wasn’t really allowed to tank didn’t get any top three picks um and look at where we are right now only traded that one pick for herder and now the pick Swap and uh still got a bunch of assets and you know I look around the West at the Clippers and Suns and a lot of these teams that mortgage their future and you know we’re looking better than them right now so credit to Mr Monty definitely thanks for the call Don appreciate you it might have been Luke Walton there you go yeah man I I I you know I put eyeballs on Monty McNair when Once Mike Brown got extended and he went all right now it’s time for the front office to step up they got Malik monk to stick around without hitting free agency they go draft Devin Carter they they go and get demard d r roen and in the sign and trade and now they’ve set them themselves up to have this conversation that we’re having James it’s not hey how do they go from from bottom tier to like middle tier now we’re talking okay they’re they’re in the middle tier now what what move can they make that’s really that big swing that gets him over the hump and I think that’s that’s a credit to Monty mcir and a credit to the front office I think they’ve done a really really nice job this offseason yeah they put themselves in a position to to be in the conversation for the top you know four five six teams in the west and you know you still want more that and and that’s okay to want more but they’ve done they’ve done the job like again retaining Malik monk was such a huge victory for this team so they’re right on the precipice here of something really interesting and um I kind of want to see if they can if they can do something to put them over the top if you are on the phone line hang in there we’ll get to you after the break uh don I see you Don I see you as well uh so make sure to uh to hang out and we will get to your calls next we’ll also have some good idea or bad idea plus king summer League opens today Kings Las Vegas summer league that is opens today against the Memphis Grizzlies what are we watching for in Vegas we’ll talk about that next on ESPN 1320 it’s Sacramento sportser clear I’ll be right back cool what’s going on everybody um I’m gonna pull this one up um Zach uh what are the chances you get Robert C Covington or Jay Crowder um like I agree they need backup Wing depth they need backup three four depth like crazy um the chance of them getting one of those guys I don’t know um like they’re up against they they’ve got a couple of million under the luxury tax I don’t think they want to spend in the luxury tax unless they think that they’re going to be really good and they’re close but we’ll see guys guess what I just did I screened a phone call I just got a coughing fit it’s not great it’s not great Bob that probably hurt oh I hate it a lot I really hate it for you man sorry it’s all right I’ll take a cough drop right now yeah drugs drugs drugs no that doesn’t that that that needs no screening so the only reason well I I know Z I know that kind of ruins the bit we’re still going to do the bit don’t get it twisted on um but the reason was I have someone on on so when when you call the show I can put you I can pick up your call basically but then I I have the volume control so I just have it down so technically I have a caller on the line right now but it’s just turned off so they can’t it’s not on the air so if I have one person on the line if somebody else is calling in I can’t do anything about it from this board here in front of me so that it is just ringing and this is a a uh caller ID I didn’t recognize so I don’t know if they know how the show works and so because we’re a break I wanted to take the opportunity to let them know that like hey we’ll get to you it’s juston so that was why that was why I did it like if I saw that it was uh if I saw that it was Ramsay I would have just let it ring because Ramsey knows or if it was Lizzy or TC or somebody like that but I did not recognize uh now recognize this one [Music] this would be my biggest problem Tom if I was a GM I’d want to win the offseason every year I would say though like the reverse of that though is I wouldn’t want my name mentioned with every single trade out there because that means I wouldn’t okay which is something that they like to do and I don’t get that because every trade out there has players going out and that means that everyone on your team is constantly looking over their shoulder and starts to get a feeling that like when is it my time okay here we go now back to the Insiders with James ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 dude I have to push so many buttons to bring us back from break when you’re at home oh no I’ve got to put I I I don’t want to go into the logistics but when you’re here I have to push two buttons and I can push those simultaneously when you’re not here I’ve got to push one two three I’ve got to push four buttons it’s all good that’s a lot of button pushing is it simultaneous pushing or is it like in sequence no it’s all separate and and it’s an easy sequence a I can just go left to right and then we’re uh we’re all good but yeah um it’s just every break now when we come back I’m looking to make sure that we’re at least on air that’s priority number one there’s when you when you run a board and this is the the the first time I ever ran a board we’re probably gonna punt good idea or bad idea today because I’m going to tell this story and then we’ve got a couple of callers to get to but uh 9169 0932 9169 91320 uh should Trey LS be in the king starting lineup that’s what we were talking about um so if you want to call please do it’s just going to ring for a while though because we don’t have a call screener and I’ve already got my stuff figured out anyways uh first time I ever ran a board I was super intimidated because I got one day of training and then they went all right kid you’re up and it was just running a live event which is you listen for the outq you push a button and you make sure it’s good to go and the assistant program director at the station I was at went hey uh your job today is to keep the station on air if you don’t push any buttons we can make good on spots uh we basically if the commercials don’t play we can we can play them later but you just make sure the station stays on air and that’s ostensibly what my job is I know I have to host a show and everything but is the button Pusher I just have to make sure we’re on air that’s it everything else can be fixed and that’s why I don’t push any buttons because I don’t want to take us off air I don’t want to be that guy sure like what happened well I don’t know I tried to push a button and then it didn’t work and then I I hit it again and then next thing you know like someone was running in hey how come we’re off the air we need my nightmares we need to uh we need NE when once you’re back and we’ll talk about this off air because nobody cares once you’re back I’m gonna make sure you’re with me every day so we can get you where you won’t push a button that sends this off aare okay we get you all squared away it’ll be great anyways it’s time for everybody’s favorite segment Mitch in New Jersey Mitch should Trey L be the king starting four your thoughts hey that’d be good for size at least um he could score but he’s never been a top top three guy in team agreed I hope you guys doing well um I like that Maring and what about um John Collins I would that CA a little less I know he’s starting at least long term I know we complain about we oh we don’t have enough we have too many guards but it seems like every year we draft guards and not that I’m not happy with Carter but he’s HT already had Mr connect here I think that would have been a better pick but I guess uh can’t do anything about spilled milk right yeah no doubt thanks for the call Mitch appreciate you um I’m out on John Collins we’ve talked about this before I just don’t I I don’t believe he’s a winning player and I know that sounds like like rudimentary and silly but that’s just kind of that’s where I’m at with John Collins yeah it’s tough all of the metrics say that he he does not well he impacts winning negatively like it’s unfortunate but like he causes losses and just in the wrong direction I’ve always liked John Collins as a player I mean like 22y old John Collins averaging like 20 and 10 um with like a block and a half a game like I was all in but it feels like as he’s gotten further and further in his career he’s gotten away from things that actually matter on the court and for whatever reason it doesn’t seem to work out for him so um I’m out um I doesn’t mean that if the Kings traded Kevin herder for him and and like slid him in as a backup four or something or starting for alongside Keegan Murray that I wouldn’t be like okay I’m at least intrigued to see how it goes um because he can be that that lob threat that that Malik monk needs but I still think it’s kind of a it would be kind of a reach it’s it’s all Theory with him like in theory John Collins would be the perfect fit on paper right but given given what we know about him on the court given the assets it would take to acquire him given the money you’d have to pay him I just don’t I I don’t I don’t like it yeah it’s the same with the Christian Wood like Christian Wood like on paper looks like the perfect fit next to uh Deon sabonis like really if you go back like three years like the things that he was doing on the court where he shooting you know 38% from thre blocking shots he’s he’s averaging 18 and 10 or 18 and n and um like all of the things that he was doing made a lot of sense but nobody feels like he’s a a full-fledged like winning player at all so bit of an issue yeah definitely uh don you’re on The Insider sponsored by Jiffy L 91699 1320 9169 91320 Don what’s going on man hey Don yep you’re on oh I’m Spencer oh sorry about that call screener got it wrong what’s up Spencer okay no it’s all right uh okay I’m gonna I’m I’m gonna throw some I’m gonna throw a name out there I’m gonna tell you his stats first oh okay okay okay let’s start he’s he’s a year younger than DeMar rosen He’s 33 right now okay okay he’s a six time Allstar two time Gold Medal winner do not say Draymond Green and and the MVP of the Taiwanese League will me cousin oh my God yes there we go let’s go Spencer he hung up I thought he was gonna have more after our Applause no um no shout out toie big shout out yeah yeah friends don’t live friends well I mean like look I again it’s complicated but it’s not going to H happen so that’s all we need to say yeah again in theory sure you could bring him back and and um like give them the jacket like they did with players last year uh but that was for the 100th year anniversary and it didn’t happen so I do know he he did come to the King’s lunch in at uh Allstar Weekend or their breakfast at all-star weekend but whether that means anything down the road I no And as far as go as far as a player I mean he really has like said like his time is come and gone with the NBA and he understands that um he’s frustrated by it I’m sure but I think he understands it yeah it Su it sucks the way things went for him healthwise but it was really clear even even in in 2019 when he made his comeback with golden state like he just was wasn’t he wasn’t the player like dude the the guy we saw with the Kings was just dominant oh yeah and and in in a way that that like not a lot of modern sers are dominant um and I think if he was in if he was in if you picked up Prime DeMarcus Cousins and dropped him onto the Sixers instead of Joel embiid did the Sixers get worse like I I don’t I don’t think the Sixers get that much worse obviously Joel and beid it is Peak is a better player but on a on a just kind of game to game basis I don’t think they get that much worse like Demarcus was was awesome but no he’s it’s that’s pass ship sale I think so too and and I’d also um Hurley uh Danny Hurley had a was asked a question about players um and you know culture and all that stuff the other day and his uh I I suggest everyone go out there and find that clip of Danny Hurley talking about you know players that um you know are good for your culture and are about winning and players who who might have a ton of talent but aren’t about you know the team all the time and uh I thought it was very very spoton uh where you can have you know guys who unfortunately can be um a onean like culture killer in a locker room and um you know so you you have to try to build the team the right way and as of right now I think the Kings have a really really really good vibe like everyone in that locker room is a hard worker a good dude uh they play for each other um they’re not looking for individual stats and uh and I think that that’s a good thing they they’ve really turned the culture around and you you have to be cautious with who it is you’re bringing in the door yeah no doubt um we have to take a break we have one more segment left we have a ton to get to in this final segment you might hear some from Kevin Durant we have a uh intrig got some MLB allstar news that I think is fascinating and something happening in the MLB All-Star game that would never fly in the NBA we’ll tell you what it is next on ESPN 1320 this is The Insider sponsored by Jiffy Lop he James MC we’ll be back in a second clear clear yeah I know I know Spencer was being funny there like I I get I get what he’s saying um but like we we’ve seen too much was that chatty house Spencer oh no he says it was no Zach you missed we did talk about this the Robert cumington Jay Crowder thing I don’t know I don’t know that either of those guys fully move the needle but I think the Kings do need one more piece there um I but I also think that they need to make sure they exhaust all trade possibilities with the herd um Dynamic before they they actually bring in a player uh like that on a on a league minimum deal Lance it’s a good question um I I don’t know um but I will tell you other teams knew full well that this was not just a possibility but a likelihood and so I don’t know if the Kings did not know that or not I mean it’s possible the Kings just didn’t get the memo um but uh and also that they were so focused on potentially trading the pick um that when it came down to it uh they they hadn’t done like the last step but I mean he did come in and compete in their gym and look great by all accounts um and have a great workout great interview and all that stuff and and he uh Carter yeah and then Carter like put out on Twitter uh Bret Huff sent me a message that Carter put out that he played with this the entire year last year which is different than what he said earlier which was that he had heard it during pre-draft workouts so like again there’s some questions about medical Les there that need to be answered but like it is what it is at this point he’s your player and and if you loved him uh you know a month ago you should love him you know 10 months from now and you know maybe he’s he’s in your rotation or maybe not um I’m in on roko and Crowder as vetman guys yeah you just need to make that you don’t need to do a like you trade one player and take back two right now you need to make sure that you have your roster spots or a one for three and all a sudden you run out of roster spots or something um again there’s all kinds of things that have to be worked out here one those deal but not officially send it to the league and then get a trade in and then yeah now the ks have signed everybody yeah now that uh I I would I would be in given what those players roles would be on this particular team I’m with e oh hey this is I haven’t done a deep dive yet but this is a great question that I will be exploring thank you that’s tough yeah no Mrs Mack asking a great question oh here we go now back to the Insiders with James ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 James ham is over there Kyle madson’s right here Jiffy Lube is omnipresent they sponsor this program they’re going to help me get my car to 300,000 miles visit JY lube.com today for more information for more information about the location near you they got a ton of locations not more information about my car getting to 300,000 miles you’ll find nothing about that on JY loop.com for that you’re going to need to listen to the Insiders I’m not going to shut up about it because I’m really really proud of my little Civic so that’s right at testing the outer limits of the Civic yeah I love that car so much uh the Major League Baseball All-Star game is next Tuesday the starters have been announced lineups have been announced now there’s players getting hurt and uh there’s been some replace and the pitching staffs obviously shift a little bit depending on availability but it has been announced that pirates rookie 22-year-old Paul skes is starting the All-Star game he was drafted last year oh he was he was just drafted just playing in college at LSU uh he has started 11 Major League games he’s 6-0 with a 1.9 erra he has 89 strikeouts in 13 walks in 66 and a third Innings he is pure electricity I can’t wait to watch him in the allstar game this is the right move to me um to to make him the starter in the All-Star Game I hope that he throws nothing but like 100 plus mile hour fast balls and just goes Challenge on every hitter that he faces uh that’s going to be super fun but I don’t want to get into the the minations of who’s starting and who’s not in the National or for the national league in the All-Star game because l i don’t even care that much um what I do want to talk about is the idea of a rookie who has made 11 starts starting in the All-Star game because it is so funny to me how Stark the departure is from that to the NBA where it’s like hey be an All-Star caliber player for four years before you get into the game like that’s wild a position to me the NBA does well I mean like we saw it last year with Victor wanyama not making the All-Star team insane yeah but he will this year most likely um yes I mean I remember guys like LeBron made it rookie season there have been guys who make the All-Star team in their rookie season but whether they’re put up on a pedestal like this I don’t know and Major League Baseball the fact that you know there’s a guy who starts at at you know the pitcher is usually the best guy in the league I think it’s cool I think it’s fun I mean like especially for it to be a small Market team that hasn’t really had any success at all since you know the early 90s and all of a sudden you know you got somebody and whether they’ll be able to keep him longer than you know two or three years before they have to move him and try to get their money out of him um maybe that will happen but this is a guy who is electric and you know does uh like move the needle I think people are going to want to see him although he doesn’t look like like he’s very unassuming like for a guy who’s saring like aund something miles an hour he’s you would not expect it I mean he’s a guy with like a mustache and like he just doesn’t he he doesn’t look intimidating yeah he doesn’t look intimidating or anything you’re like huh look at that and then he’s just a Monster yeah man he definitely has a Vibe of a guy who would throw like spitballs like that’s a Vibe he gets like m Miller for the a throws throws a million and when he gets up on the mount he stands really tall and he’s he’s got a very compact motion he’s there and he’s fir paulk’s very fluid very loose does not look like the kind of guy who would throw as hard as he does uh but boy he throws the heck out of the baseball he’s super fun to watch if you are not locked into baseball uh Tuesday night All-Star Game check out Paul sches if if you’re going to watch half an inning of baseball all year make it that one where he’s facing the best players in the American League that’ll be that’ll be a fun watch uh also a fun watch summer league down in Vegas the Sacramento Kings open their summer league slate today against the Memphis Grizzlies uh I have a quick question before we get into players we’re watching and things like that did we ever get word on what’s happening with Drew Timmy because the Kings announc he’s on their roster but then the Raptors announced that he’s on their roster well they’ve cloned Drew Timmy two Timmy so there’s two timmies no no no they uh it the Toronto Raptors announced that he would not be on their summer league roster so I’m I’m going to guess that the Kings figured out something here with Timmy whether it’s a training camp invite or it’s it’s something that made him choose to come to Sacramento over going to the Raptors but um that’s fine I mean like there’s certain things about Drew Timmy’s game which I think we we love to see and there’s other things where you’re like okay I don’t think that’s going to work um so you know again I like Timmy I do um it’s just uh he doesn’t that like dude he’s that that that he’s I I I don’t want to I I don’t mean this in a disparaging way because he has made it to the point that he is uh a viable option for NBA teams like he is is one of the in proportion to the number of people who have ever picked up a basketball he’s one of the best players to ever pick up a basketball um but it feels like in high school uh I reached a point I played baseball from the time I was year round from the time I was 12 all the way through my senior year of high school uh during a tournament during my senior year of high school I faced a kid that had a had a a pitcher who had a full ride or a partial ride whatever he had a scholarship to go to a D1 school and he struck me out on three pitches easily and I kind of looked internally and went oh I’m just not good enough like I just don’t like I’m I’m I’m okay at the high school level uh but I’m not going to play at any kind of level this is I’m I have maxed myself out here and that’s what it feels like when when you watch Drew Timmy is man is a good player like he is a he’s talented but he has maxed out what he’s going to do as an accomplished basketball player he was awesome at Gonzaga had a ton of success there but it’s just kind of I don’t I don’t think he quite has the the skill set and the the physical tools necessary to hang in the NBA yeah I mean he’s super close he’s like a 4A player he’s the Dan Johnson of uh of the NBA um yeah yeah there you go I just pulled that um yeah for for me it’s like when for those of you who don’t know go on James sorry yeah when you’re watching him play um the good thing about him is in summer league he is he’s exactly what you want he’s a guy who’s going to set screens he’s going to roll hard to the rim he he’s got like an understanding of the game he’s well coached High basketball IQ all of these things and in summer league it could a equ to wins it really could it could mean that you’re one of the better teams that are out there but at the end of the day is he is he really good to uh is he good enough to make it in the league and and I don’t I don’t think um you know even as like a backup to the backup maybe but uh it it would be tough it’s it’s you know it comes down to the fact that you know like you got to be able to jump over a phone book um and and probably more than that at the NBA level and and everything moves faster the next level up and uh so it would be I think it would be really tough although I think he’s he can be a heck of a summer league player a heck of a g-league player and a player who plays in Europe for you know a decade he’s also turning 24 in September yeah this isn’t this isn’t an 18-year-old who’s who has room to figure it out like I think it’s I’m rooting for him though I super hope I’m wrong I I would love to see it yeah I would love to see him go and have success in the NBA I just don’t think it’s it’s quite going to work out um when the kings are down in Vegas Keon Ellis is on the roster do you expect him to play much if at all because I do not for Keon yeah yeah I go yeah I think I think there’s a possibility that they’re GNA give Keon a couple of games um you know maybe two three games and and see how it goes and and then you know let the other guys finish out the tournament I I think it depends on how they’re doing if they’re they’re going to be in it to win it um but I think again like the growth of of letting a player like get outside of his comfort zone and push himself take on more of a scoring role take on more of a a ball handling role all of those things I think it matters and I I think this is good good on the job training for for Keon Ellis so I would like to see him play um at least in the first three games because that’s where I think the real competition is is in the first three games and then if you’re a team that that falls off then go ahead and pull him and and you know maybe even pull Mason Jones and give uh Adonis arms and a couple other guys an opportunity maybe even Colby Jones an opportunity to just do more yeah that’s and that’s and that’s where that’s the the I don’t say the problem that’s why I think Keon shouldn’t play a ton I think you’re right give him give him another game give him a give him a full game to do what he did in the in the Cal classic finale yeah hey here’s the keys uh create off the dribble see if it you know I think he only had one or two assists in the Cal classic fin see if he can set up your teammates a couple of times and if he goes and Cooks again and has 30 and just looks like he has outplayed the entire summer league then you can pull him but if he goes out there and he struggles then okay yeah give it give him a couple more games but I would love to see Colby Jones get those opportunities and and Jason Jones as well I think you need to see who Colby Jones is as much as yeah as muches you think that you know who Keon Ellis is and and you’re enjoying sort of the Ascension a young player I think you also you need to you need to see if Kobe Jones is a ball player or not and I think you know our our initial instinct is oh yeah Kobe Jones is a ball player but like if you can’t perform in summer league like I don’t take summer league stats to like be something like amazing like oh my gosh did you see you know I remember Dante green scored 40 in a summer league game right but there’s also a player like if you show up and you’re averaging like six or seven points a game and a couple of re rebounds a couple of assists like that’s not a good thing either you know there is like a baseline level that you want to be yeah there is a baseline level and for Colby Jones I think in year two you would like to see him come in and average say 14 points and three assists and and four and a half rebounds in in solid play right and if you’re not getting that I don’t think it’s like oh hit the panic button or or or wave him or anything like that but at the same time like your your idea of who he can be and what he might be sort of starts to change a little bit and you again whether that means he spends another year in in the G League yeah that that’s a possibility or does he show you something here and say look I I in all honesty can he show you that he’s better than Mason Jones and or he he can give you something that Mason Jones can’t give you as a player and and I think that that’s a big deal for Colby like go out there and and play well play within your game uh hustle do all those things but also show that like okay like this moment and summer league should not be too big for him in year twoo that’s exact that’s exactly what I want to see out of Colby Jones it felt like now at the end of the Cal classic finale down the stretch when the kings were making their their comeback he had the ball in his hands quite a bit but it was it was a little bit like watching Tyrese halberton in the playoffs where he’s like yeah give me the ball settle things down but then I’m going to get rid of it and not touch it again and I I I don’t I I the numbers you know matter matter to an extent but I I would love to see if the Kings do say all right Keon good good first game there you’re done for this you’re done for the summer go go work out individually and do your thing and then they hand the keys to kby Jones I would love to see him be as assertive as Keon was and go and go be that player and show exactly what he could do in a bigger role that’s what that’s kind more than more than the numbers yeah I I definitely think that Keon Ellis understood the assignment you know and that’s what it feels like he he got it like hey Keon we need you to go and show that you’re that you’re a baller okay and he goes out there and he does it and you’re like oh look he looks very conf confident he looks very comfortable put up 30 um you know all of these things that you did not expect him to do um that was really really high level and you’re like okay look you’re better than everybody else on the court that’s okay let’s move on to next you know and he went up against even like Brandon psky I like Keon Ellis looks like he’s a quality player and and playing against psky I’d even say he looks like he’s a better player and for a guy who went undrafted versus a guy who was a I don’t know back into the lottery or was yeah okay yeah so I I think Keon is is you know building more cache into who he is as a player and and playing a couple of Summer League games is probably a good idea Brandon psky went I’m sorry 19th overall 19th overall yeah just uh just out the lottery um what time we got 11:46 hanging out with you until noon here on the Insiders we are sponsored by Jiffy Lube it is time for the handoff Kenny caroway in the building today on a Friday welcome into the show Kenny carway let me get your mic turned on and up there he is what’s going on man I’m good man I’m good it’s Friday it’s hot as hell it is so hot but I mean but look you know you know me that’s way it’s supposed to be that’s way it’s supposed to be I grew up in Sacramento California it’s July 12th if it was 75 degrees I’d be upset that’s how it should be so my push back on this is I don’t mind that it’s 10 whatever it is today mhm 103 right now that’s what my watch says What’s it gonna get to like 112 today 112 let’s call it that I don’t even mind the high that’s not what bothers me what bothers me is that when I get here in the morning at 7:30 I already can’t get out of my car in a hoodie that’s what I can’t that’s what I can’t deal with can’t open the windows at night G gross was it last night I think it was last night yeah because I was I was downtown and I left downtown at like 9 dir and I don’t know if it was one of those things where you know the the thermometer is in a hot area so it’s not reading 100% accurately or whatever but the sun was down the sun was definitely down I was in a parking garage or whatever so there wasn’t like the sun beaming on the thermometer it was just I get into the car 96 degrees they saying it’s 96 degrees and I’m like well that’s what it is that’s too hot you can say it’s too hot it’s okay it’s not too hot it’s a little too H it’s a little too hot it’s hot now look I look hey 88 shout out shout out to all my people all my delivery people all my people laying concrete all my people on roofs like I wouldn’t want that if for those people they are the heroes of the universe right I’m you know kind of lucky enough where I get to be inside for the next eight hours or so and I don’t really have to deal with it sure so that’s where my thoughts come from but like if I have one of those jobs on in construction or something like that yeah I probably wouldn’t like I don’t give a damn how hot it is I’m inside I don’t give a rip uh the beautiful thing the the kings are facing the grizzley tonight uh in their Vegas summer league opener is there a Sacramento Kings player you guys have a close eye on tonight down in Vegas um so forgive me if I don’t have the roster committed to memory but James you would God get him out of here he’s done did did Boogie Ellis make the summer roster I want to see boogie Ellis I want to see boogie Ellis is Mason Jones on the sum Mason Jones is on summer league roster Keon Ellis Keon Ellis on the yep all right well that’s what you were talking about when you walked in why why did you have that reaction you don’t need to be playing summer league that’s enough you got away with it in the California class just but I’m consistent with this I felt this way about Keegan last year when he played like he don’t have no business playing summer league now some people might say it helps like some people may say that game that Keegan played last year gave him maybe the confidence or the experience of like you’re the guy you’ve got to score 30 for us to win and he had that experience maybe it helps out Keon that same way but I don’t know I I I saw him in the California classic he looked really good obviously in that last game looked phenomenal that’s all I needed to see from him this summer I don’t need to see him at Vegas I think the difference for me with that is we kind of knew what Keegan was going to be and he’s a top four pick and that’s just kind of we so you wanted to see him out there and that was okay cool he got a little bit of run he looked great get him out of there with Keon it feels to me like there’s development to to undergo there still particularly as a uh as a playmaker with the ball on his hands and that’s where I think this can be valuable for him understandable I I look I I understand somebody feels different I just this guy spent all day talking about he’s potentially starting two guard what what is he doing out here playing with with expanding his game all right catch and shoot catch and shoot and play defense that’s what we need from you at the starting two guards fair enough I’m a big uh I’m a big Isaac Jones guy man I like Isaac Jones I do know I like what I’ve seen from him yeah and James we were talking about this a little bit uh offline the other day but I think Isaac Jones maybe not this year but next year to me he profiles really nice is as a we were talking about Trey LS a lot earlier but as a backup for four small ball five um lob threat I I doesn’t shoot it a ton which which may limit his his role a little bit but I was pretty impressed with what I saw early on in the Cal classic and I and I’m interested to see how that goes for him down in summer league too he’s yeah I want to see if he can expand his game um I I think this year is gonna be really really big for him playing in the G league and going through a training camp and all that stuff but he in order to make it in the in the Pro he needs to at least show that he can stretch the floor a little bit and he can hit the corner three and he didn’t take any in college um but he also didn’t make any and so um you know he he definitely needs to show that that he’s a he’s okay to expand his game that it’s you know that’s something he can do and maybe he can’t I don’t know but the the good thing is I mean that’s essentially like what the G league is for right like if you you see like what James sees and what you see and say okay he’s he’s not there right now we think he may have the potential or we want to find out let’s spend a a whole year with him in practice working with these uh NBA level coaches working on his jump shot getting comfortable with taking them in the game I mean he might be a guy who like he’s he’s very intriguing we may not see him he may be on the baseball plan right we may not see him for a year and a half two years but if he work on his game and and starts to uh add to his game it could be really beneficial with the things that he already has are we collectively out on the Adonis arms thing like that was a fun game against the Lakers but we’re all we’re all I wouldn’t say I wouldn’t say ow let me see what you do in Vegas I want to see Adonis more than I want to see Keon in Vegas no definitely same yeah same so there’s that and then what do we feel about Drew Timmy oh timy we we both James and I are in the same boat on no no disrespect no disrespect that’s literally how I started all right I’m not interested in Drew Timmy not at all but he’s had some good games it’s he seems to be like one of those guys that like uh almost like a Mason Jones right where it doesn’t matter like what it looks like what he looks like or whatever he kind of produces he just like when he plays basketball he produces like he’s he’s just gonna hang around and in 2036 you’re gonna look up and Drew Timmy’s gonna be given five minutes to the Rockets you know who’s like that um and I’m not saying Timmy’s as good as him but like Kelly oen coming out of college I would have never thought Kelly oen was this guy he’s played like 10 years or something yeah but oen is a way better Prospect than Drew Timmy yeah but he’s I mean when you talk about like the measurables and stuff like that he’s a little taller than Timmy but he’s he knows how to play he figured out a skill being able to shoot and rebound and I wonder if Timmy can figure that out I wonder yeah I I I just don’t know that he has the the facilities to hang in the NBA if he has a really good summer league that’ll intrigue me that’ll intrig me I wouldn’t hate seeing him in Stockton like I think he can run a lot of the similar stuff that deonis simonis does uh with the with the Stockon Kings and I think that that’s why he’s going to be really valuable here in summer league because you can run a lot of the high ball screen stuff using him and you know he’s a smart player he knows how to play the game yeah and I think in a maxim like in a maximized version where hey he can athletically can hang in the NBA he’s going to go I I I agree with James it wouldn’t I I not that he would be domas but you’d feel okay if he’s your backup five where you don’t have to alter your offense yeah because of uh because of Drew Timmy he’s interesting for sure doesn’t it feel good though that this is like the first kind of non-interesting King summer league in a while Like There’s No rookie there there’s no seconde guy there it’s just we’re we’re just kind of there I don’t kind of there not doing semantics but I want to Rite because I think this is what you’re what you’re saying there’s some interesting players for sure but there’s no urgency to it no we’re just kind of there we’re just it’s not we’re not on pins and needles looking at this rookie and putting all our hopes on them it’s just just kind of there that that’s a good thing yeah it’s every every player we talked about yeah I kind of like him for Stockton that’s that’s cool what what do you got coming up on oh man we got an All-Star lineup today man we got Kyle Matson pulling up on us we got Jay gayon pulling up on us from CBS 13 we got Eddie Gonzalez from the ET and we got the legend Frank red pulling up on this to I love that good times today on this Friday DLo and KC no DLo he is still on vacation KC’s gotcha James have a great weekend feel better man um and uh looking forward to you KC I’ll be back with you guys on Monday at 10: a.m. throughout the weekend everybody remember drink water and be nice to people we’ll talk to you next week hey and I’ll uh I’ll say this I’ll say this here because James can hear me if the if we’re off I can hear you yeah yeah okay um James I didn’t think you was coming in today I was like yeah so and by the sounds of it just take the rest of the day man I put uh Frank in there at the 320 because I thought you was out for the weekend that’s that’s fine dude that’s fine yeah because I I started to lose it there in the last like 10 minutes yeah man get get an extra couple hours of not talking man so uh yeah rest up and get together yeah well we’ll talk to you James sounds good guys see y see bro hey Chad I see you guys have a great weekend appreciate you really really good show today really good show by you guys I wasn’t like saying I you guys were great today appreciate it e e e e e e [Music] K yeah yeah we got him screaming DLo KC K K we got him screaming K we a number one spot we a number one spot for some sports huh got the city going crazy when we work huh we top two but we ain’t two we in first huh and when you need the real we is who you search huh KC KC D KC we number one SP hey what is really good we didn’t made it to Friday we didn’t made it to Friday DLo and casy ESPN 1320 hope everybody is having a great Friday so far hope everybody is staying cool staying hydrated because it’s hot as hell right now I’m looking at the little computer um thermometer or whatever the case may be saying it’s 104 it’s only 12 o’clock I think Christina Warner told us one day that the hottest part of the day is like three o’clock three to four or three to five or something like that we still got degrees to go at this point it’s hot but like I told Kyle man come on man I’m from Sacramento California this is is it’s July 12th from Sacramento California this how it should be all right it shouldn’t be no other way if it was if it was uh 80° I’d be like what the hell’s going on here no no no no no no no 90 Dees is how it should be 95 it’s been 115 for the last half year it feels like well I’m not saying it should be 115 but it should be in a triple see that’s ridiculous you just did right now you just did right now I’m not saying it should be in the triple digits I’m saying it should just be flat out hot whatever that number is that’s what it is it should be Happ it’s it’s disgusting I walked outside today and I was already sweating hot as hell I ain’t gonna FR I ain’t gonna lie to y’all that’s hot as hell um it’s not really getting any cooler actually I take that back it’s supposed to be 90s it’s supposed to be like uh mid to low 90s all week until Friday when we have concerts in the park next Friday and it’s going to be like 105 concerts in the heat it’s a good time man it’s your main man Kenny carway you know what it is man acknowledge me yes dude got my main man Jesse Tapia I’m in god mode absolutely my main man Damen Barling still on vacation I text Damien uh earlier today and I I said yo I’m I’mma read it right here on the air get let me pull it up real quick I said there it goes I said hey Dame how you doing man uh hope everything’s good and he replied back to me he said who well basically like check this out he replyed back to me he said look I’m on a remote Island right now and I’m headed to another more private island without having to deal with any of you peons I don’t have reception I won’t have reception leave me the hell alone that was all right well so that was I reached I mean when you when you when you jump in islands like that I mean you you can check Odyssey careers we’re looking for another dowlo I guess he’s not coming back you know I think uh what else do they they they drink out of the fruit we had done coconut he done pineapple yeah is there anything is it a mango is it something not a mango is it a h what what a cantaloupe I don’t think they drink the can yeah maybe you carve it out maybe they just he maybe just goes back to the coconut today I don’t know it’s DLo he drinks out whatever he wants whatever he wants he might be out of a champagne glass today champagne and and campaigning you know what it is so dude hopped in the brown truck and turned it into a boat so so we’re gonna uh on Monday we’re GNA treat um Damian like Will Smith when he on the fresh frch when he said he was going to stay in Philadelphia in the NBC Executives came and got him and threw him in a truck and said this contract says fresh principal there that’s what we doing for Daman on Monday but he’s like I said he’s on his remote island um he’s nowhere to be reached by quote up peons and um yeah that that’s what’s going on man when he is back though I cannot wait to talk about phield day oh my gosh Phil day like no I I mean so look should we have Field Day once a year or twice a year because I’m kind of ready for another at this point you might need to cancel it hey hey that was tough like I said we’ll talk about it next week hey wait just I mean real quick have have those have the people been back in the building I’ve seen one the other the first one that went down has not been seen that was a crazy situation yo yo that was crazy no we have we having a full breakdown field day when when Dame comes back man but um talked about on the handoff we got a jam pack show today not only do you have KC you got my main man Jesse Tapia but you got K Matson coming up next segment we got my main man Jake gayon he’s joining us at about 1250 he gonna be here for a while he kicking his feet up he gonna be here for a while he rocking with us um and then we got my man Eddie Gonzalez AKA Boogie buzzin that’s how I I was introduced to him um of the etceteras uh he he from Sacramento California he going he going to hop on with us and then the legend Frank red in the dungeon with Frank red uh he’s gonna pull up with me uh at about 320 man so uh yeah jamack way that’s the way we getting out of here on a Friday I want to start with the Kings like we do because this is a big week for the Kings this a really big week for the Kings and you know I was thinking about some things I I listen Jesse to a lot of like um National people I listen to uh Austin Rivers and what he had to say I was listening to Bill Simmons and what he had to say I was course well you know like And subscribe Bill said he going on summer vacation for a little bit what are you gonna do I’m gonna listen to other people are you modd in his chat am I a mod in his chat absolutely not um I listen to I so here’s the here’s the difference with me and maybe other people right I’m always looking for different povs I don’t want to get stuck in a bubble where I’m only listening to people that I agree with or that agree with me or see things exactly how I see it right there’ll be people that I don’t necessarily know if I rock with them but when it comes to like seeing different povs point of views and everything else like that I’ll tap in I tapped in and I I heard what Kevin o uh conell had to say I was going to say he he was actually kind of nice about it but it’s kind of he was he was he he his exact words when he was talking to I forgot who the guy was um he’s a guy that’s like likes the Memphis Grizzlies um I’ve heard him on there I just don’t know his name forgive me but he was like kind of glowing about what the Kings did or whatever and um and and Kevin was just sitting there I I like I saw it on YouTube right so I saw the visuals and Kevin and guy was just going on and on talking about how I like I like what they’re doing yeah there’s issues Chris Vernon thank you securing who’s the sack Chris Vernon is who it was he goes yeah you know I like what the uh the Kings did yeah they’ve got issues you know whatever but does mind that you know it’s whatever I like what the move D he was going on about it and Kevin o Connell was just sitting there just looking no kind of head nods no kind of facial probably wondering how he could try to cook some bonus nothing like that and I was like oh this dude man he about to hate and he start he comes on there and he starts and he goes uh he goes well you know how I feel about the Sacramento Kings I like here we go and he goes but you know what I like this I like it I like it I agree with everything you said I like it yeah they got some issues y y but you know I like them making the move I was like oh okay I’m surprised I still don’t give a damn what you say but I you know I was listening I I received this the the the content and you know it is what it is or whatever but one of the things that I got out of listening to other people other National people talk about it and thinking about it on my own at the end of the day Monty McNair Wes Wilcox rebec ronad Mike Brown the Sacramento Kings they out here they out here trying they out here going for it and I’m going say it right now on July 12th it doesn’t the temperatures went up to 110 I don’t it was 104 literally weather machine down or something literally seven minutes ago was 104 I looked fix this do something but on July 12th I’m I’m very appreciative and I will um salute the effort I’ll salute the effort mon McNair went out he made some moves right now you can’t talk about like what’s going to happen we don’t know we don’t know what’s going to happen it could be a disaster it could be an injury plague season it could be um Demar finally shows some aggression you know in his game or all this other stuff and then we’ll look back and obviously you’re gonna have to say what it is at that point oh it’s a bad signing or it didn’t work you gotta give it a great then but I’m saying right now I gotta salute Monty going out there and trying to make it happen they’re they’re trying to do things to elevate this franchise and and and Elevate um this team and this roster and get into a a potential Championship situation and I got I got nothing below for that no yeah shout out mon it was looking a little tough for him especially with the picks being tied up and all that it was kind of like you really GNA be able to get Brandon Ingram or whatever what’s who’s really worth but he really finessed his way I think with dear Rosen be able to get DeMar rosen it’s all hindsight now he’s on the Kinks we’re all happy but like as far as the guys will WS like on that list where with Demars enough Demar de R Ro enough falling we didn’t even really talk about him yeah and that’s what I was about to ask you like we didn’t talk about him at all I don’t think we thought didn’t even think it was an option no we heard we heard Mark spear say it you know we like Mar Rosen you know check sources it’s like no we ain’t really heard nothing about that and then uh we just kind of Let It Go that point and we didn’t even discuss it but now like knowing that he’s here and maybe it’s a little different because I’ve done a little bit more of a deep dive into dear since he is a Sacramento King but would he have been the best option out of everybody involved All Things Considered you think about the money had to spend is cheaper than anything they’d have to spend for Ingram um he’s a better player he’s probably the best player of the group right yeah I’d say so because I for me it’d be up to him and kozma Ingram I think Ingram’s pricing himself out I don’t think I want to give Ingram the max week moving off of that I don’t think I want to give him 200 plus million it doesn’t feel like anybody does yeah and like like I said come down to CER um Demar D rozan for me I think I take D rozen just because I know like Demar like we saw in the press conference dude’s a winning player like he’s gonna comeing he’s goingon to fit in be a vet and all that that’ll help he’s 24 Point per game score kma contract’s part better at this point but dear I take him if you if I’m I’m just gonna be honest and be uh be real if you give me the uh the option again say three weeks ago and you put Demar D rozan in there I’d probably say I’d probably say kosma first still um and it’d be tough between him and Ingram de D rozan and Ingram because one of my concerns probably would have been the fit for the offense you know not necessarily dear’s ability or anything else like that it would have been the fit that’s something I would have been worried about um but we said it a couple times or I’ve said it a couple times now hindsight it feels like this was a perfect perfect match for the Kings with everybody that was being considered I just like the fact that dear’s been a winning player too like he’s LED Toronto and all that like he’s he’s been the vet or whatever with Chicago like they don’t win much or whatever but talk highly of him and all that absolutely that matters absolutely man so we’ll talk a whole lot more about Demar D Rose and the Sacramento Kings like I said Jay gad’s pulling up on us um I got my main man Eddie Gonzalez pulling up on us Frank red pulling pulling up on us next The Insider KY Matson is pulling up on us we’re definitely gonna talk Kings but I mean I do want to I never get a chance really to talk 49ers with Kyle I do maybe maybe five minutes do you guys have a over under for how much Niners we’re going to usually is that what happen you say we’re talking I think it’s like two two and a half minutes at most would be it we see what happens now it’s DLo and Casey it’s ESPN 1320 Sacramento’s number one sports station all right guys I gotta get my setup popping give me a second I’m not gonna lie so sometimes I got to catch myself e living the good life David he’s living the good life I haven’t seen this yet but I heard Devonte Adams just goes in on Jimmy Garoppolo that’s what we do that’s what we do all right that’s why that’s why we always collapse in December Russ I haven’t really seen too much about about him to like have a take I guess I’m just curious how they’re going to book him Jesse can you do me a favor can you text me the address here I’mma send you a couple of email addresses too one second everybody one second Mike I’m a dolphins Red Sox and a Celtics fan then sharks for hockey and all that sharks are up though finally yeah that give me one second one second one second don’t worry everybody I’m here it’s Kyle Matson yeah it’s Kyle matson’s music listen to new m& I listen to one song I uh I like I I like the song I mean he’s always gonna make like songs that I like because I like the way he raps or whatever yeah yeah yeah mechanically and I really like the production a lot John I’m retired sorry and then Mike’s not like a Boston thing it’s I followed my dad’s teams and he has like his reasons as to why he followed each hey are do you guys want to pocket watch today commiss the commiss doesn’t it doesn’t count when the commission is in here okay at the same time I’m the leader of this whole it never counts no no we’re not doing that I’m not not you know what no you’re always cheating in this damn game too you know you know I I’ve been I’ve been the most dominant pocket watching player you are Mark Maguire you are A-Rod you are barry all right in Pocket Watchers Barry so he’s the greatest of all time that’s crazy not once that’s K mson in the building as well by the way not once have I cheated not once have I cheated multiple times have you cheated what are you talking about I don’t here’s the thing no here’s the thing here’s the thing and this is what this is what cheaters do is is they they find these little ways to to kind of Finagle a like they live in that gray area of like he not out and out Googling the contract but he’s making a guess and then afterwards trying to like negotiate the rules after it’s been I I see what you’re saying you’re Canelo I ain’t never I Ain never got PO for ped no you’re Canelo I never got poed don’t don’t put Canelo on I Ain never got Pap pedes when did I cheat the one time the one time it was in question when did I cheat calls himself out the the one time it was in question I said I looked at Kyrie Irving’s total winnings the the night before I suggested Kyrie Irvings and then no it was up to dat and we got into the game I knew the up to- date number they said you know what we G to go total earnings and I was out I didn’t know that number at that point you were ready to cheat I lost and I lost the only other time they talk crazy is when somebody in the chat said yo let’s do Blake Griffin’s pocket watching okay three days earlier on Twitter I had seen Blake Griffin’s career earnings I was like sure let’s do it is is that my fault because I got my ear to the street all the time I would no see I didn’t suggest that I didn’t suggest no I don’t no I don’t think that’s cheating that’s not cheating that is uh competitive dishonesty by you what what the hell that’s competitive dishonesty also known as cheating so no I no because it’s not cheating because I get what Kenny’s saying in a in a in a vacuum I don’t think I’m not trying to vacate your win you got a dub you got the dub oh yeah but but I’m not I’m not trying please understand please I’m actually trying to help you right now it’s competitive dishonesty because he could have very easily said hey actually you know what they want to do but I I just saw that online I I don’t why would I do that if I’m on Jeopardy and I know the the answer to a question am I gonna be like I’m not gonna answer I know the answer to it uh no because that’s that’s a little different that that’s different to me the the spirit the spirit of of Pocket Watchers to Me Maybe I’m Wrong Jesse Jesse please no you’re wrong no no no don’t listen to Jesse you’re wrong you g go there you’re wrong the spirit of the game is like you hear and you know okay let’s see vaguely I know okay so his rookie deal is probably like that and we got two other deals and yeah so you’re trying to kind of like piece a puzzle together when you’ve just out and out seen the answer that’s not fun anymore that’s not fun anymore and and and it was it was random I didn’t I didn’t go around saying oh man let me think of some guys that we might talk about I just scrolling the timeline they’re like oh boy Griffin’s made $238 million in his career like that’s and look I didn’t even I didn’t even commit that to like I’mma remember this for pocket watching I was like oh that’s interesting move on three days later somebody Griffin we’ve got a little less than a month left in the season or whatever I’m on the comeback Trail we don’t need your help all right you cheat me and the chatty Maniacs all right the chatty crybabies all right we’re gonna come back and we’re gonna get the dub all right we’re gonna finish our story you and the mat Matthews mattress chatty house are gonna put this thing to bed that’s right look at him look at him Qui come on look at that look at him cooking I like that I like that Kyle mat the ultimate Insider um times the producer you know when you have the producers yeah yeah you know what I’m saying yeah yeah fun program he’s rocking with me uh today on this Friday afternoon and I was good kid dad City stop stop it yeah look okay now now I’m back on the tangent sorry we’re gonna have to wait talk about the Kings was I or was I not was I or was I not three and 12 at one point and what’s my record now I’m like 22 and 19 who knows did you cheat in that little win stre get that we don’t know question no sir not me I even show my work I even show my work every time every time I win I’ll be showing my work I be like this is how I got here and I break it down I feel like every time I listen here’s how it goes because you you’ve been you’ve been winning undoubtedly it’s been incredible comeback by you hold on what’s the math I’ve gone I’ve gone 19 and and seven that’s crazy that’s good 19 and seven in my last what’s that 26 Season doesn’t end on July 12th just say that no that’s that right that’s a nice old run here’s how I feel like it always goes uh because you get to pick who goes first and so you go I’d Like Jesse to go first Jesse goes I think player X made $141 million in their career and then you go I think it was a little less than that but I don’t know how much so I’m gonna say 140 and then it’s 138 and it’s like that feel H see that’s fact too that’s the thing my guesses have been more on par with what like it’s been I think the way and again I’m just I’m just an outsider here I’m just I’m talking on the radio about your guys’ league you guys are the professionals I’m I’m just a a lowly media member here talking about talking about your league um Kyle wowski joining us yeah yeah I’m here so why would Kenny do that um no so I I just I’m a I look at this as a rule adjustment I I would make but again I’m not in the league I’m not they’re trying this nonsense trying to change the rules no but that’s no but k no they really are they really are that’s what’s happening when we come back the commissioner look how scared is look how scared is we need to get this commissioner out of here I don’t know how you just prot in the middle of the Season I’m not no but that’s but that’s the thing is I’m not I’m not the commissioner no the commissioner is changing the rules oh okay yeah that to get this guy out of here man how we changing rules in the middle of the Season well uh um Kyle madowski will explore that story when it comes to light but no I I think um I think that a a more effective version of the game is you guys like write down your answers individually and then present your answers no that’s what’s going on when Dame’s back I believe that’s the rule change yeah and I I I would see closing out the season with the current rules like that that makes sense to me I don’t think you need to go full NBA and change how the game rela relax relax in the middle of the Seas sir I am an unbiased journalist you’re getting paid by clutch [Laughter] Rose that’s just as a neutral Observer that’s how I would do things next season I’ll win anyway it don’t matter maybe I’m on I’m I’m given how many times you’ve been like I actually don’t know I’m gonna go with what J guess I’ll just pick like over Dre throws it in the chat the NBA did they stopped calling fouls mid-season we can do that’s not a rule change that you’re wrong Drew down stop it it’s not a rule change they didn’t say hey we allowed hand checking now well they they did though quiet but they didn’t change the rule well I tell you man hey man it’s me against the world man it’s all good though it’s me against the world you know I’m I’mma keep cooking I’mma keep cooking you know me and uh and and and and Demar de Rosen because everybody hating on him actually nobody’s hating on him Sao I was in you and Drake me and Drake you’re already he’s already trying to trade to Mar rosen’s already back on o i hey oo PG Lang those are both of my people man we I yeah I’m I’m like Demar I’m like Demar I I love Drake man but you know Kendrick family too I’m like dear everybody else picking sides he didn’t say Kendrick family too he said but Kendrick is like family he said damn near so Drake is my friend he said I Dr that’s my buddy he said I love Drake I think he said Still Love Drake but Kendrick’s practically family and you know and we won’t shout out to Sean Cunningham from Fox 4 the sources uh Sean Cunningham double X sales Sean Cunningham complex music’s Sean Cunningham all over the place my goodness you ever seen when people do that in their Twitter bio they’re like featured on Fox Sports ESPN It’s like because they showed their your Tweet on air one time featured on Bach reports CBS sports ESPN dude that’s how you got to put a resume together Sean needs to do that that’s how like when you when you put like a professional resume together you be like you know when you when you are on Twitter and you know you you add up um you know demard de rozen stats right say say I tweet out per 36 yeah yeah you know what I mean that’s what I do I go to my professional resume I got experience in data operating data key entry I got I’m proficient in it for the last 10 years content strategizing is right there that’s how you got to do it yeah definitely um but yes dear de rozan is here i’ I’ve been tapping into the Insiders uh as much as I can but it’s been a busy week um so I haven’t heard a as much uh from you so I you know maybe everybody else has heard a lot of it maybe there are people who haven’t heard your take on rozan and him joining the Kings I know um it seems like every day you feel a little bit better about the matchup with the Rosen and the Kings H yeah I was I was of the mind when they first when they first made the move or when it when it first hit my phone that like hey this is kind of like you know and I went GH like this is just this feels like a move to make a move like I don’t I don’t like this but then I started thinking about it a little more start okay let’s see what does this lineup look like okay let’s see Fox One D rozan 2 no you can’t put D rozan into two because then he got so I started just kind of like mixing and matching fig and then you start to kind of look at it and I think so my knee-jerk reaction was what the large portion of the analysis has been nationally on this and it was well what does this look like defensively again that’s NE like like I’m walking down the stairs looking at my phone thinking immediately but you and I have had this discussion a couple times on air this week that defense aspect of it has been pretty dramatically overblown I think and so once I once I put that to rest like okay hang on okay let’s think about this uh all right so it’s it’s Fox want I think you go Ellis to you know Demar 3 okay you got to move Keegan to the four that’s not ideal but I really I I really like it I don’t think they’re done and I don’t think that this can be the complete roster because I do think there are some pretty significant holes here uh we talked about try starting today and yeah and and but that’s it’s not it’s not that that’s like oh hey here’s this revolutionary this is the best idea but the fact that that’s a way when you because when you look at Keegan at the four you’re like they’re a little bit UND sized so how can they get some size in there without if they don’t make another move which I which I think they might but if they don’t make another move what does this look like and then it’s like hey Trey L is like the next option at the four and that’s that’s where things get a little dicey to me and that has nothing to do with Demar D rozan because I like the D rozan fit but then you zoom out and when you zoom out the problems with size the problems with athleticism on the perimeter those are all kind of still there so I I love the move uh I I don’t think that this can it though so okay okay that kind of goes into what I was about to ask you next so you think that another move needs to be made needs to be made there’s a difference between what you would want to see and what they need like it to to be a top four team another mood needs to be made um let me do this carefully I think they could be a top four team right now mhm as constructed sure there is a realm where the king finish in the top four MH I think that to solidify their chances of doing that I I think there is a chance I think it’s relatively small though gocha like let’s call it I I don’t know I haven’t worked this out I’m doing this on the let’s call it I was going to say 25 let’s say it’s 25% chance that they sneak into the top four um I think if you go get a more whether it’s cam Johnson or whether it’s Kyle kozma or whoever obviously those are different players and if you go get Lori Markin in all of a sudden your chances Skyrocket tremendously but I think if they if they get more size get get bigger and get more athletic on the perimeter I think it just increases their chances to get there and like I said if you wind up with Lori Markin and then sure you’re a top four team to me but but right now I think they’re they’re a for sure top six with a chance to get to get top five top four um but I do think if they want to solidify their chances to do that I I do think they have to get get more athletic and bigger on the wing so I’m the one of the things if if you see me trying to get to a place where I can see some of the remaining free agents or did you Google remaining NBA free agents no I went to I went to spot track and they usually they they usually hook it up but they’re they’re so up to date all right I’m at Hoops I’m at Hoops hype right now about to go to Hoops hype we got 46 minutes ago this is up thank you to Frank erina and R Baran those are my guys for getting this done yeah they’re I heard they’re going to be on the show next week I’m gonna just let’s he’s in order let’s just run through it tyus Jones okay don’t need him um Gary Trent Jr I like him but we don’t need him yep nope I mean I take that back we could use Gary Tren J like I do think the the next thing they they kind of need is a is a shooter we’re talking we’re talking size and athleticism that’s not going to be Gary Tren Jr is not helping your problem at the four right now no no not at all not at all but don’t need him don’t need him no not bad none of these are bad players it’s fit for the Kings to make them a to to increase their chances to get in the top four all right uh Spencer deny no Isaac aoro restricted free agent so the Cavs would be able to match no I mean he he he help he helps the defense aspect of it for sure but he’s one of those guys that that I’ve talked about right where like he he’s a really good Defender he is awful on the offensive end if he was 45% more reliable offensively oh we’d be well he’d still right he’d get signed but I was just I’ve been so unimpressed with him I liked him a lot coming out of the draft too I thought he was gonna be a better offensive player than than what he end up being but that that’s a guy he’s it’s too it’s too um the the pendulum is too far on the defense side for for me for his type of game yeah I think I I I think I’m there with you I I like him as a player but you can’t be unplayable offensively and he feels like the kind of player you just wouldn’t have to guard agre Gordon Hayward I’m beyond it he couldn’t even play for OKC I think he’s watch yeah tough precious auua that’s interesting I kind of like that idea that is interesting I don’t know that you could get him for like a vetman though let’s bookmark him real quick give two more give me two more yeah I’m only going to give you one so I’m not going to name the ones that I don’t think it would would fit uh jedy Osman not bad he can shoot the ball yeah he can you can shoot the ball um how tall is he I think he’s like 66 six7 yeah he he’s a negative on the defensive end though yeah correct uh man there not this is slim pickings now you’re looking at like Jay Crowder Marcus Morris uh who I think like veteran minimum guys and the thing with let’s I want to I want to stick on Jay Crowder for a second the one of the things that the demaro Rosen signing did for me and James and I talked about this a lot this week on the Insiders catch us 10 to noon but and the James ham and Kyle mson Show podcast wherever you get your podcast in case you missed anything live so the the Jay Crowder thing to me I know that Jay Crowder and Zack NBA Guru Zach in in the in the chatty house today the Matthews mattress chatty house was talking about this uh Robert Covington or Jay C and that’s one of the things that demard roosan does for for me because let’s take Demar rozan out of the equation a Kings didn’t get him you talked to me about Robert cumington and Jay Crowder and I’m like um no because this as the move like yeah because as on that version of the Kings and again let’s we’re removing to Marty Rosen on that version of the Kings you’re gonna need a little something from those guys where you’re you’re relying on them not a a huge amount but like a little whereas now if you have deardo Rosen on the court and you’re putting Jay Crowder in well now Jay Crowder is just a big body when you face LeBron James when you face um uh pick a pick a big Wing now I can’t think of any but pick pick your J Jaylen Brown Jason Tay when you when you face guys like that yeah um you can throw Jay Crowder on him and you feel he can he can be credible he’s not gonna be a lock down Defender but he could be credible in that in that in that way um maybe he’s not starting at the four for you but he’s a okay yeah switchable is a three four uh feel good about him coming off the bench he’s experienced he hangs out in the corner he can knock down a three all right yeah I like Jay Crowder because for the Kings now he can be very strictly defense hang out in the corner shoot threes yeah you don’t need a lot else from him yeah I’m I’mma tell you why I like a guy like Jay Crowder and and why I asked for these free agents and stuff like that why I was looking I’ll tell you that in a second but let’s let’s talk uh to my man Javier because remember when Kyle is here when uh Jake is here these are these are hosts these are guest you know us we have guests like maybe with Eddie and Frank we ain’t taking calls but with Jake here with Kyle here we still can hear from the people man 91699 1320 Javier what’s up my guy how you doing today mrad so uh I already presented this idea to Mr Masson but I want to know your opinion you know because I know you’re going to always you know give me the real and not any type of bias or whatever chatty on everything I Sayo in that I love I love kma I love kma but people think are sleeping on this guy and I feel like you know you said Kevin herder’s value might be at an alltime low quote unquote well I feel like this player’s value right now is at almost an all time not the alltime loow in his career rather and that’s John Collins he shoots 5% better than kma does for the three-point line 37% he has a better overall three-point percentage than John or than kle Cruz but John khin that is and he has way less usage rate five to seven shots less per game he averaged 15 and eight last year and he averaged a block he’s athletic he can dunk he’s physical he plays physical with an f and he plays a defense I’m not saying K is not better than him but you could get herder and two seconds straight up for Collins you call kosma and his agent to talk to watching they’re goingon to want two first and Hur her I mean I don’t know man I feel like kman needs the ball and he needs to have a lot of touches and a lot of touch around a lot of usage in regards to his offensive low John C’s gonna do all the dirty like and I even want to even inquire about basley as as our backup three because he’s really low with the trade exception from Sasha Davon darus basley he’s a small for power forward combo take a fly on him but I feel like people are like oh their narratives I just don’t like John Collins Javier appreci hey Javier never call my show again no that that level of disrespect is crazy what what he no that was crazy what he he said he said that that little voice he did there at the end he saying what I said earlier I didn’t know you said that no that n h never call me again never call me again I’m dead serious too you running here running out of people to talk to I didn’t know you said that earlier but uh John Collins makes 26 a half million dollar the next two years that’s a lot of money so here’s what I will say about the John Collins thing and it kind of goes into what what I’m thinking right now is John Collins is probably about the type of guy that I’m looking for maybe not his game M but the level of player I I would love kzz I would love um cam Johnson you know those guys but one thing I am concerned about is everybody knowing and accepting the role and we talk about starting and all this other stuff you know I keep saying it my mind goes to finishing if you have a guy like cam Johnson if you have a guy like Kyle kma in here and Hell people talking about Lori marketing you have a guy like him that’s six people that probably feel like they should be finishing games news flash I know they changed the rules in the pwl they have not changed the rules in the NBA you can’t have six guys on the court at a time good point so we did this with Cam Johnson yesterday I I’m of the belief Malik monk is closing games he’s closing games that’s that’s what I believe more times than not maybe maybe there’s a game he don’t have it and somebody else can go in Keon or whatever the case may be but he’s closing games more times than not and and now I said six it’s probably more like seven because Keon is probably worthy of of closing some games as well so if you get a guy like cam Johnson he probably feels like he should be closing games he probably feels like he should be out there get Kyle kosman he definitely feels like he should be closing games and if you have any one of those three guys not closing because I feel and and those three guys but there’s another guy out there that you don’t want to get caught in the shuffle of feeling like he should be closing games and maybe sometimes he’s not then that’s Keegan Murray if you get those four guys in this conundrum where two of them are out at the end of games I don’t know I I think they’re all good guys I think they could be good teammates but you don’t know how that’s going to affect somebody so I don’t want I would want a for that situation I may want a guy like John Collins who knows his role if he comes in here and if he starts or if he comes off the bench he knows or he accepts probably in the final five seven minutes of a game he’s probably not gonna be in there and he’s gonna it’ll be fine we’re we’re moving on you get a guy like Dorian fin Smith he probably feels the same way like I would love to finish but I know what my role is here so that’s that what you just said is one of my big Hang-Ups on the John Collins idea because on paper everything Javier said is correct like yeah that is a true like stretch four small ball five hey guy how are you this is yeah wow wow that was nut he said is that what we do here at KCRA come on man what we that’s wow that’s comes in here with no sleeves J Gaden coming up in a bit um were you ABC 10’s Jay Kaden oh oh oh oh it’s crazy crazy but but like on paper like a thousand percent but we saw John Collins last year like not impact winning for Utah at all and if you’re going to acquire a player who’s making 26.5 million do in each of the next two years and he’s not closing for you then what are you getting him for well yeah I I I I understand and I agree that’s the H that’s the hangup for me I get okay yeah it’s stretch five stretch four and he does all this stuff awesome let him do that on a mid ass team in Utah I understand here’s but here’s and I don’t even know if it’s a a RoR or anything like that we gotta uh can you hang for just a little bit Kyle because I like this I like what we talking about you gotta go you gotta go gota go and look Jesse we didn’t talk about the Niners at all I wanted to talk about the I took the under you give me ners at all you know I’m changing the rule that counts as a POA Walker p pocket watch Jes you’ve been here forever man I don’t wanna I don’t want you got I just I’ll tell you why I would normally like any other day I would hang out yeah uh but I’ll tell you you why I can’t though okay it’s good no it’s it’s absolutely good I’m I’m perfectly fine we we just what you were saying was great it was a great conversation CS there you go you got it my man J he’s in the building he’s going to be joining us when we come back here on DLo and KC on ESPN 1320 e uh Jak gting in the building getting set up Su baby hold on Jake I got a I got a a couple couple Jesse in there what’s up good looking how you doing bubba I’ll throw I’ll throw my stuff in a second look look I’m I’mma tell you like this I’ve met Javier a couple times good dude I’ve had good conversation with him this dude keep he he ain’t gonna be able to talk to nobody he ain’t going be able to talk to nobody you can’t don’t don’t if Javier is watching or listening don’t there’s no need don’t do the extras yeah there’s no need for that bro there’s no need like if you disagree or if the person disagrees it’s cool people just disagree but you ain’t got to mock nobody man that that that’s that’s will be rubbing people the wrong way don’t do that hold on one second everybody got get something up real quick real quick don’t judge fam that clean as you should we just got out of damn Co what up chatty house happy Friday baby How We Living 916 what’s going on show me the love Jake wearing a Dan Hurley Jersey n okay clinging clinging cling clown I promise you one thing when this man travels to uh Sacramento with the Portland Trailblazers I be in the building I will be in the building and I will be Fang girl in that building I will not be wearing my press credential that right all right David Jake’s all right count didn’t this guy go to Arizona State okay yes graduated from Arizona State graduated lived in Connecticut for the first 18 years of my life bored and raised there family still there go back there all the time actually head back there on Sunday um so I W CT as much as I can grew up watching those teams since the 90s it’s been a thing oh we got hold on guys I’m just trying to get something done real quick give me a second hold hold on hold on y time we about to come 35 seconds John from Connecticut is in the building you know it fam John Poes John the answer is no plus I gota got gota save my voice a little bit man been going hard in the paint Rody’s coming in tough what’s Rody talking about I don’t know aldr Jay yeah very disappointed Cooper flag yeah oh yeah we turning up now on this Friday got my main man my main man Jake gayon in the building see CBS 13 let me give him some air horns too while we at and he’s in here in his his Yukon authentic his is clinging authentic here on this summer man what’s upy you pulled up in a Yankee hat I think did you think of me when you did that this morning yes oh sure it it matched with the them boys they got problems the hell’s going on I I was like watching from afar because I watch a lot of um I watch a good amount of Yankee games because when I’m here doing the 1025 show I watched him the early game yeah starting four and uh you know they just cruising along or whatever and then like I didn’t really pay attention like the last like two or three weeks and then I saw a stat like on Wednesday where it was like yeah the Yankees have lost 16 of 21 games I said what I think they’ve won a series since June you thanks graci appreciate yeah Red Sox only bought four games out first place by the way damn who the Oriol are still in first place though yeah yeah the Oriol got swept L that past week by the Cubs so and it’s Orioles Yankees starting tonight in Camden Yards that’s going to be be good to end somebody somebody need going to have to get on Good Foot straight up I saw uh I saw Aaron judge hasn’t hit an extra base hit in like 35 at bats or something like okay but the dude’s leading the league in home runs like that’s a lot of it bats it’s damn near three weeks you haven’t had an extra base hit you’re not wrong on that it’s it’s a tough time to be a Yankee fan Juan stto something’s up with his hand they can’t figure out the leadoff spot he got hurt right is that he the first time was his rib no it was ribs the first time hand was like a week ago and he just he’s swinging it he’s playing pain tolerance but basically he’s just trying to get through the allstar G I like the Yankees me too I do like the Yanke people hate hate them on hate on them a lot I like the Yankees I like you know this is weird too my my cousin Ace he’d be upset with me saying this he’s a Yankees fan I like the Yankees and the Mets okay all right sorry sorry Jake I do no that’s a little weird you’re going to pick one I’m not a Yankees fan I don’t have to pick one I’m looking from from afar Casey I went to the the subway series like a month ago with my boy yeah yeah I got beer throw on me in a Yankee head I’m just don’t like it’s a it’s a rivalry New York yor Jake’s out there going through it and you’re making a mockery of it straight up all right let’s just put it this way okay the East Coast compared to the West Coast and how Die Hard the fan bases are just a different uh in baseball yes yes baseball I would say baseball yes um no I need that story bro how’ you get what happened how you get beer on you at the Subway Series in Philadelphia seriously Yankees are down 71 I think judge came up and hit a grand slam to cut the lead to three yeah and I decided to tell everyone in the stands that I’m your number one fan okay I mean that probably should probably shouldn’t have done that and the next thing I know oh multiple oh yeah it just came just just no like it wasn’t just one person it wasn’t like a dump okay no it was just like a like sit down Yankee fan we don’t we don’t need your kind here at City Field that’s crazy next year I want to go to the subway series matter of fact they going to Yanke they still gotta go to Yankee Stadium yeah they go to Yankee Stadium next month I I ain’t gonna be able to go this year but I want to go to Subway soon I don’t know I’m I’m gonna wear a split hat can I be honest with you better one Yankees Red Sox well that’ll be I’ll have a full Yankees hat a sorry Jesse I have a full Yankees had on for that one that’s a bucket list thing telling you it’s good no doubt man no doubt well the the the good thing about it though is the subway series was not last weekend no you were here in sacr am I right you were here in Sacramento when Demar D Rosen was announced as a king were you at the uh I was at the presser okay well no were you at the the game I was not I not at the Saturday game my my new guy Brandon manitz shout out to him uh popping over yeah straight up pulled up uh pulled up to the game and covered the game he said it was incredible but with the video that we saw and then Monday’s press conference it’s been a good week for sack talk a little bit about Monday’s press conference I heard uh I heard it was a lot of people there like I heard it was more people than usual they come from well this is it was a significant day in in the Sacramento King’s history like and like I’ve been wanting to talk about this all week can I can I go on a small tangent on this okay I want to say if if he is listening right now shout out to VC D Uncle B Uncle V got it done the man has said multiple times I’m not going to let anything stand in my way of getting what I want name one time that’s not happened yet when the money came he’s thrown out the money threw out the money to Malik threw out the money to domas last year threw out the money to dear and I expect the same thing to Foxy next year because of the the pace schedule and everything like that huge get for the Kings demard D Ro in his one-on-one he this guy is going to be the most genuine person that you’re going to meet on this king’s team he’s going to be in this community he’s going to love up on this community which I love but the best part about him is the veteran presence that I don’t think they had that I think they had like Harrison was there as a veteran guy showed showed him away but I Harrison and dear are in two different categories in terms of elite status I think dear brings that status up a little bit more and I still don’t think they’re done I still think there’s a lot of things going on but with dear the questions that we we got to ask him just why he was here he was genuine about being with the Kings one to be with the fan base love the beam like this is perfect for him and we knew that he wanted to come to the West Coast being from La family still there Lakers and Clippers were definitely an option but came down to Sacramento it’s only a what 45 minute flight if you wanted to head back that’s nothing it’s nothing I my my friends over at the station though ask me Jake why didn’t you ask about his daughter like is she gonna come up and and and be torturous during during you know the free throws like you’ve seen the video right so next time I see tomor I’m GNA ask him about that we got to ask him about that I think she’s probably she’s probably a teenager now so it’s probably she’s probably too cool to do that again you think so I think she’s still gonna yeah maybe just to do that but she’s gonna pull up to the games oh hell yeah she coming to the games she gonna be in the building and maybe she might you know what I’m saying we get in a playoff situation we playing The Warriors in a well we ain’t gonna play The Warriors in a close situation them boys ain’t gonna be they ain’t gonna be there and you should listen to what dun Ley said this morning man they don’t have a clue what they look I I’m I’m I’m being fun with the the Warriors I do I do think they didn’t do anything to get better this offseason so we’ll see they may be playing they may they may surprise a lot of people all in on Lori all in on MAR all in they are hoping that Danny a pulls that trigger it’s a good and it’s a good trade well if if if they’re all in on on marketing they’re gonna have to come off kaminga oh yeah no they are kinga’s gone it seems like they it seems like they’re trying to hold on to that yeah but like it’s either they want to get rid of Wiggins like that’s the contract they want get rid of right but kaminga is the better trade piece because of one it’s less money more controllables and he’s younger I think if I think that’s what the holdup is right now I think if they were to say kaminga they’d be able to get Lori marketing but I think they’re trying to they’re trying and I understand why hold on to kaminga and AD Lori marketing but I that’s Danny’s probably like that’s a non-starter yeah and the other thing is this I think Danny is still trying to mull over do we reset it and say hey Cooper flag’s my guy what I saw Team USA select this past week is is it I don’t need anything else or do I want to keep Lori and try to extend him and still keep Cooper flag but there’s no guarantee that I get the first over R right Lori might Lori and and then they still got Jordan Clarkson the combination of those guys they might win you too many games and Colin seon like everyone forgets about sexon but like I he’s a nice piece he’s kind of um streaky reinvented his career a little bit his young career I remember people were high on him uh coming into the draft and what he did in summer league and then and he he played well like in his rookie year and then he just kind of got this label when he was like 19 20 years old of he’s just a a chucker he doesn’t help you win games or what remember it was a situation where didn’t and Jesse probably remembers to didn’t he go like all summer without getting signed or a contract extension last year or something like that something something crazy like yo sex’s just out there I know he’s coming off of ACL too but was like he’s just out there and he plays for the Jazz and I like his game he’s I don’t know if he’s like franchise or nothing like that but I like his game I think he could help he’s a good role pce I think he’s a guy that that that that settles down that offense sometimes can go get you a bucket when needed yeah absolutely so I mean all that saying I think Utah I’d be if I could get a kaminga if I could get a Keegan Murray um if I could get one of these young guys then yeah I would move Lori marketing but if none of those guys were um being offered in any of these trades i’ just keep them resign him um might be out of the Cooper flag sweep Stakes but I got a lot of picks I’m going to have a lottery pick in in a loaded draft and I’ll just pair that guy up with so that’s that’s probably how I’d go about it or I think about it if I was Danny a um don’t blame him but well we’ll see what they’re saying but back to Demar de R rozan I do think his daughter’s gonna be there uh and like I said in a hype situation um I think she’ll uh she’ll she’ll do what she has to do if she needs to again I do have a question for you when it comes to the as a basketball guy cuz I was going to ask you about this okay spacing wise like are you concerned about that at all cuz I I I’ve watched a lot of dear this past week right in terms of what he does a lot of pick and roll but a lot of ice hball like but that’s the highlights right and he and he did Pride himself saying in this press conference hey I can play in whatever offense and I I I don’t judge me for this I only looked at the Bulls highlights I want to go back to the Raptor stuff and see how he played with Kawai and see seeing how that works out he did he he never play play with Kawai no no no with K low thank you sorry I want to see the spacing work work with that and see how that is for you as a basketball guy like where do you see him in that space do you think he works in that offense I think I think it’s going to look a little different to to um accommodate him and his skill set a little bit it is going to be a little different one of the things that I’ve seen in like a lot of the the film that I’ve watched and everything as well is there were moments a good amount of moments where Harrison Barnes would have the ball in in what we would call dear’s area the pocket yeah he would have the ball there and he wasn’t aggressive enough wasn’t necessarily scared enough or whatever to to come through in those situations um routinely he did from time to time but routinely he wasn’t and I just think about Demar sliding into those situations and being a threat to score at the elbow you know they they do some uh some like small to small to uh he’s not a big but small to forward pick and roll between Fox and Harrison Barnes they get a switch and then you got Harrison with a point guard guarding him at the nail and you know he have it’s an ISO Moment Like do what you do or whatever and he he just kind of the moment would like pass it pass by sometimes and Chuck it away yeah and I feel now you got Demar think about what I just said you get a little to Big switch with Demar de rozan 15 feet away at the nail that’s a bucket like that is a bucket and I think that’s where they’ll incorporate him there’ll also be some things where it it’ll be different it’s G to be it may not be a situation where they’re shooting 45 threes in a game I say not a lot of dhos do you think or do you still think they keep the dhos I think they still keep them I do still I think they keep them I think dear will and I believe believe him because of the type of individual he is and just the type of basketball player he is he can he can adjust to anything he’s a basketball player he’s gonna make the adjustments and I I actually think some of the the dhos with him and sabonis could be deadly because if you you know hedge out hard to him on the uh at the at the elbow he’ll dump that down to sabonis because he is an underrated playmaker a pocket pass right there like Le does right exactly but if you don’t and you just dribble hand off and Demar D rozan has a clean 15 to 17 footer at the elbow that’s that’s automatic cash money yeah so if they’re able to like work that like if Demar is able to work on that and they get a Groove for that I think the offense could be absolutely Dynamic it’s gonna look different I think it’s gonna look a little different than it did two years ago and even last year but I think it’s it if they can get it going it’s going to be one of those situations where it’s like who do you guard you can’t leave anybody like pick your poison they they can score on all three levels and I’ll even go I out a fourth level they can score at the free throw line now with a guy that can get to the line inar Roa defensively I know people have those questions but like I think it’s something that no one’s taking into account your defensive coordinator is not there anymore true true now it’s Mike Brown’s principles don’t get me wrong yeah but Jordy was calling those defenses now I don’t want to be I don’t want to be I don’t want to be disrespectful at all real quick we’re listening to ESPN 1320 kfm West Sacramento and odyssey station D and KC brought to you by Sky River Casino with 17 different restaurants and bars like 32 Bru Street Sky River Casino has something for everyone my main man Jake gayon CBS 13 he’s uh rocking with me for a little bit man we having a good time here and I I I just want to let everybody know Jake he’s a guess he is a guess but Jake is he’s in the he’s in the system he’s in the system a guest host here so if you want to call if you want to talk to myself and Jake 91699 1320 the phone lines are open straight up uh hit us up now what I was gonna say we talked about losing the defensive coordinator and Jordy Fernandez and like I said I don’t want to be disrespectful I think Jordy is a heck of a coach um I believe in Jordy I believe in what he’s going to do but if you had the worst defense one of the worst defenses in basketball and you lose your defensive coordinator is that a bad thing no it’s like it’s like football right like if you got the worst defense in football who’s getting fired defensive coordinator it’s a defensive coordinator right not wrong on that that’s what I think and and I still think Jordy was just going off of his his ability but also Mike’s principles right you know what I’m saying and and to that point the uh the defense got better and I also the defense improved as the season went along I also don’t think they had the great pieces to defensively that’s fair too because the way I look at it is this right look how well Canada defended in that first quarter against the United States okay that’s Jordy right there like I I was sitting there like if Jordy had those guys like his type of players in each role that he had like the switches that they do because they they switch everything right basically with that defense that’s why I think the Demar thing is not a huge deal or huge drop when it comes to Harrison yes Harrison could guard one through four yeah but I still think Demar can guard one through four as well I do as well and and look to Jordan Fernandez defense look if if he’s he’s a phenomenal coach he’s he’s a hell of a coach a hell of a defensive coordinator but if he’s given me you and Jesse and Kelly over there to go out there and play defense well probably there’s not much he can do no seriously you know what I’m saying like the Personnel matters and I thought he did a good job with the Personnel that he had and once again they improved as the season went along on the defensive end some of that goes um toward the coaching some of that goes toward getting that Personnel Keon Ellis being in there the last 25 games or so so I think I I think they’ll still show Improvement on the defensive end I’m you said it when when dear was in introduced the other day he’s I’m I’m a basketball player I can adjust to anything and I believe that until he shows me something different I’m riding on that he’ll adjust offensively if he’s asked to be more of a Defender and understand defensive principles more under Mike Brown he’ll adjust to that because he’s such a professional he’s a professional and I’ve talked about this all week he’s extremely disciplined he takes his his his craft seriously and whatever he’s being asked in the name of winning he’s going to dedicate himself to do the best he can to it for to that to that goal and I I’m I’m just a believer in his his uh his approach to the game because I think that’s the last contract he’s ever going to sign yeah he’s 34 he might get a one or two year deal after but it’s not goingon to it’s the the last contct it’s gonna be the year minimum veteran it’s gonna be the last big contract for the last last big and I think this is his last to Rob saying hey let’s do this one more time one more time let’s let’s go all in with the city let’s see where we can bring this team let’s do it and and this is the guy that wants to get to the finals straight up he wants to play in the NBA Finals he obviously wants to win an NBA championship I heard something that you said earlier what’ I say you say you do see Casey has opinions fam all right uh no the this the ceiling to the floor what this team can be record wise what you think about that I just for those who haven’t heard I’ve been standing on business all week you 55 did you say 55 I said 52 I said that’s the floor is 522 okay I thought about it a little more and some people might be like nah like I could see somebody saying the Flor is 50 and if I wanted to be if I wanted to be safe if I wanted to back back pedal and backtrack i’ say all right man floor is 50 but that ain’t me Jake that’s not me I’m standing on business 52 is the floor that’s what I’m expecting I love that I love that confidence I would have that confidence if they didn’t let’s just for lack of a better word really do poorly at the end of the season when they when when stuff was on the line when you had like I remember there’s like a force scam stretch at the end of the season where the Pelicans at home the Suns at home I think it was like the Jazz at home one other team and like one one and three I think the Mavericks were part of that yeah it was the Mavericks it was son Suns back toback with the Mavericks and the Jazz it wasn’t the Pelicans right and they just took the game against the Jazz and they W lost all all three other games like the Blazers was the game yes okay maybe it was Blazers whatever it was I remember sitting there and be like those are games that you walk into the building on like I gotta win tonight otherwise like our season might be toast or we’re going to continue to fall in these rankings and when that happened and they didn’t step up that’s where it’s like okay puts a question mark in the back of my mind heading into this season like are they Tough Enough do they have enough dog in them because I still think they haven’t addressed that in their offseason dear’s a dog he is a dog but I want to I a dog I want an enforcer I want someone that’s gonna be like don’t mess with that dude so here’s my rour to that shoot the those last four those games you talked about at home definitely needed them they were kind of leaking oil man they were they were leaking oil with the Personnel that they had no Malik monk in that situation um I think they have big leads in both of the Mavericks and Suns games lost them um they had big leads in the OKC game on the road that they needed the New York Knicks game on the road that they needed um I don’t want talk now that’s now we’re getting but but but they were they were leaking oil Personnel wise they just in in that particular situation They just added two dogs they added two Playmakers and I say added because yes Malik monk was on the roster but he wasn’t in those games so let me I’m I’m a Believer if those games last year if you have Malik Monk and Demar D rozan probably wi in all of them those games the way they had played like they didn’t get blown out it was it was close games and they just didn’t have enough to get over to hum so if you have de you had demard R Ro and the Malik monks to those games we win in all those games it’s a completely different conversation and that’s what I’m thinking about 52 I mean you you you and I’m assuming Health too right like they they’re better prepared to deal with injury now with a little more depth on the roster but you you obviously don’t want to go through that you don’t want losing somebody for a long period of time I’ll give you this okay I’ll get to 52 if you if you trade for another Ford that that is an upgrade over what Harrison and Trey is right now I wanted like a I’m talking maybe a kosma but I’m not giving up kosma a ton I’m talking an Ingram possibly but I don’t think any anything’s gonna that’s nonstarter right now or marking it that’s where I’m gonna get up the other two but I there’s also there like cam Johnson’s a nice piece like for the Nets I do like that that but like I don’t know how much that tag is like what the what’s the price on C right now be relatively cheap yeah yeah You’ think like a Kevin hder in a first or something like that but like if I I worry if it’s a Kevin herder and two first or a first and a second like that’s too much for me but that that’s a person if you bring him in because they’re just so guard heavy right now I could get to 52 with you but like right now with the roster as it sits as we speak right now with 50 with the the heavy amount of guard play they have or with the team I’m I’m still at 50 so and that’s fair that’s fair I could be a little ambitious when I say 52 no you’re not ambitious I like it I like it I just think if roster’s not finished and I can’t get to there so so here and this was what I was talking about with Kyle right then trying to figure out you I’m all I’m all about not all about but I think about the finishing lineup and the finishing lineup really can be honestly where egos get bruised and people um aren’t bought in if things aren’t going exactly if you’re not winning games right like if if you’re losing games the finishing lineup could be an issue and if you bring in another guy if you bring in a guy you’re talking about like kma marketing um I think cam even cam Johnson even fits this mode you’re running the risk of somebody not gonna be closing there’s only five guys that could be out there at a time and I’m tell you sabonis will probably be there Fox will probably be there those are two Staples the rozan will probably be there three staples and now when you’re talking about closing I probably should put Keegan there but if you bring these other guys in it kind of leaves up to question you’ve got you’ve got two spots for four guys at the end of games I think Keegan’s there though because he’s your best your second best defender on the team I think he is too but maybe a b thing to say no I think no it’s not I think he is too but if you bring in cam Johnson or hell if you even bring in Lori marketing it brings it into question is it Lori or is it monk I think it’s always monk maybe maybe I’m the only one that thinks that way though I think it’s always monk I think Monk Is those three guys that I named I could turn it to four and say monk is more times not in that closing lineup I also think the other thing that we’re not contributing this who we playing like are you closing out against the Warriors are you closing out against the Pelicans you got a long lineup out there okay then I think you have a conversation you say Okay Malik or or even dear like hey you’re sitting there and you gotta also think about Keon right that’s another question that’s what I’m saying that’s what I say four guys you got two spots for four guys opposing situations but if it’s a Warriors team that’s super small like then you say okay maybe we go with small lineup Keon’s out there Malik’s maybe out there no no cam dear maybe’s playing the four right like K Keegan’s playing the four dear playing the three like I think it’s based on the personnel and I think it’s also based on defensively who’s who’s playing the best at that point there there’s and I I hear you that’s the that’s the sensible way of looking at it but sometimes these Eagles get involved is not as sensible too many it’s not as sensible that’s that’s what I worry about hold on J we gonna talk about this more we gonna talk about this more we gonna go to break we gotta go break we gonna come back and we gonna talk about this some more because that is something that concerns me when it talks about adding to this roster the type of person that you bring in and the roles that may be defined um because of that so we’re talking about we got J gay CBS 13 in the building with me it’s DLo and KC it’s ESPN 1320 my hey kill the mic for a second e e so I said the hell with him I wasn’t doing all that I was like I was like bro I was like we can fight right now if you want to fight and then that was the end of the story that was the end of the story you know what I’m saying it it crazy it crazy okay let’s see what we got What did the what did the the chatty chatty chatty house had to chat about here’s your guys’s chance to ask Jake anything that’s scary that’s a scary question that Jake who’s a who’s a better all time in the pwl casc OR Jesse I mean the number speaks for itself stop playing I say the number speak stop playing if we’re going off of like wins and losses I guess it’s KC but like we’re taking integrity and all that then me I don’t cheat all right uh Kurt Angle uh CM Punk Straight Edge straighted Society uh not in and out not Five Guys Shake Shack Shake Shack is I mean Shake Shack’s cool Shake Shack in-n-out’s the best burger n in the game n i mean come on man what are we talking about nah I got to show you this by the way how how much time till we could come back what’s that say 20 seconds or we got more than that Jesse Jesse not listen to us he’s like sh are we 20 seconds out okay I’ll show you the break I pull a K casy on the way the videos you do when you come in oh oh we cooking we cooking he got that Arena entrance let’s go oh straight up all right DLo and KC on this Friday afternoon it says it’s 111 degrees outside so everybody stay cool stay hydrated um it’s pets yeah if you got pets make sure they stay they stay cool and hydrated as well um NBA Summer League is underway we got the magic in the Cavs playing right now the Kings play the Grizzlies at three o’clock so that’ll be on during our show so tune in to that after we’re done here on D KC I got my man Jay gayon he’s rocking with me for a little bit man on this Friday and we were having a discussion about what this this Kings team is capable of roster as is and what you may or may not want to do um to the roster moving forward because they said Monty is still trying to improve this team I I just one of the things I had talked about is I worry if you bring in people and there’s too many uh I don’t even know how to how to say it’s not chefs in the kitchen but too many guys that expect to be in there in prime time that don’t necessarily know their roles or okay with their roles and you know I I think these these are all team guys but they’re all competitive they’re all players they want to be there you know in crunch time and I think about a guy like Malik monk I think about a guy like Keegan Murray if you were to bring in Kyle kosma what his mindset would be if he’s sitting on the bench late in games you already he’s already doing that in Washington he’s not sitting on because they’re down by 30 though Jesse got it Jesse got it he’s on it he’s on it so you know I I I that is a little bit of a concern for me because of that I may be looking to bring in a guy like um Dorian finy Smith who may may be a little bit more comfortable with his role in that respect I know a lot of people have talked about a guy like Isaiah Stewart in Detroit um so I don’t know tell me what your what your thought is on that idea of hey you don’t want to bring in a guy another guy that feels like they could or should be finishing these games you want to have the finishing uh group in my opinion Fox monk the rozen Murray and sabonis you agre with that that’s it that’s it if that’s the case you gotta bring in like a dor Dorian fenny Smith you’re not bringing in a big headline guy but you’re still like you’re still cobbled like when it comes to the guard position because you still have Keon sitting on the bench you still have Kevin herder who’s a good offensive piece and one of the best rebounding guards sitting on the bench he’s a shooter too he’s a shooter he’s a shooter I think spaces the floor yeah you want to look at that you still want to look at that the Third we haven’t even talked about yet and maybe he ain’t available till March okay because I don’t think he’s GNA when he comes back after rehabing from the shoulder surgery I don’t think he’s gonna be starting right away I think he’ll start in the g- league work his way up he’ll be on the roster by February get some time but Devin Carter is supposed to be one of the the best defensive guards in this year’s draft you’re gonna sit there and you’re gonna say you’re gonna sit your first round pick if he’s not like again if he’s not completely healthy ready to roll not ready to contribute stash him away for a year R Shir him the air okay I’m good with that okay you’re still gonna sit there and tell me you wen’t gonna try to play if he’s healthy ready to go you’re one of the best defensive guards in this year’s draft and could be one of the best rookie defensive guys out there like he gonna play he’s gonna play play I mean Jaden McDaniel is gonna play Jordan mlin gonna play but when we get into crunch time when we talking about winning time okay winning M think about think about think about winning time this past year with the Kings you had for the most for the most part like when when everybody was healthy for the most part it was it was uh it was a starting five minus Harrison plus Malik yeah that’s what it was and it didn’t really like go away from that sometimes like depend I think I think this year I think Keegan had some moments where he didn’t play crunch time because I remember I remember seeing like Kevin herder in a couple of those uh games where he was getting rebounds and stuff like that um but I’m trying to think it was Fox monk Keegan or that’s that’s what it was um Keegan Harrison and herder and so that position was like kind of inlux every now and then right like sometimes you’d finish with Harrison sometimes it’d be her her and Harrison been on the bench maybe sometimes Keegan be on the bench but that’s that’s my whole point though like you don’t have I don’t think you really have that Keegan or excuse me that herder Harrison spot to mess with right now you’ve got Fox monk Keegan sabonis dear then the finisher then you gotta get a really good defensive forward and a guy that that does not have the expectation a rle piece a really good role piece um maybe your seventh man of the year if there’s a thing like that or your defensive player be eighth because Keon gonna be seventh yeah true that true that but like your defensive staple and like that’s where you sit there and say okay what is that how deep of a team can we get because like if you do trade Kevin right like Kevin is still a really high asset like so you can get something in return what you get in that return like if like for example if it is Cam Johnson you have to have a conversation with Cam and be like dude you have three years left in your contract and there’s no guarantees that you’re gonna be starting down the way do you want him to do this and if he says no okay you move off of him hey dor FY Smith how do you feel about that um that’s why I’m like sitting here like Monty and Wes good luck bro like guys and maybe you know you know pieces and and players that are available that I don’t but like I can’t off the top of my head and I’ve scorching the internet to try to figure this out and doing the the trade little thing with Jiggy that the trade machine trade machine I still can’t figure out something that will work where you’re looking like that okay it’s a defensive guy that just you’re right he’s not gonna he wouldn’t start cam cam may work it was a different time um and a different point in his career but when Phoenix was really good and they were oh yeah going to the NBA finals and he didn’t finish those games he was a young kid he was a young kid so maybe now he’s been in the league three four years he expects to finish games but in in those he was off the bench he’d find his you know role he’d do some stuff when it came down to crunch time he didn’t finish everybody wants to finish the game I’m not gonna ask if he’s okay with not finishing but does he is he accepting of hey you know maybe I won’t finish games a lot but when I’m in there like Tre LS doesn’t finish games all the time either but he’s he’s but when he’s cooking he’s they keep him in but he’s also like you’re not gonna lose mentally and emotionally you’re not going to lose Trey LS because he hasn’t finished the game in two weeks right like he’s still there he’s still locked in doing his job and I wonder if anybody um if anybody that they bring in would have an issue with that again that’s the question you had you got you got to ask the player before you make the trade because there again I don’t think this roster is complete I just can’t I can’t see them going that guard heavy into the season I just can’t see it I also look at DeMar is a three too and he’s a little smaller small three though 65 66 I mean I this is the way I look at it too and by the way if anybody wants to call I thought it was somebody just on the line Jesse and they they hung up yeah so hey you guys call call in if you guys want to get your get your two cents in here with Jake gayon in the building you know what I mean you got an opportunity to take talk to Jake gayon 91699 1320 HL us let us know what you think but I I I do this exercise a lot right I look at the the look at the games look at the teams that were left and match them up that way so is there a team where you look at Sacramento and you’re like man they just they just can’t match up man they they they they’re not they don’t have enough size New Orleans there is new or there is New Orleans now the the thing with New Orleans they’re losing valent chunis so now when you talk about they don’t have a center so you throw it down a domas bunch you’re not wrong you throw it down you throw it at domas Perimeter on the perimeter Suns I think that was that that’s a winnable game now if you look at you think of it just because you’ll have Demar who instead of Harrison and Harrison was kind of non-existent in that game if I if my memory serves me correctly the other thing that uh what they talk about too is like all the the Kings you know they need they need size on the perimeter and all this other stuff here’s hor 68 they had that didn’t work you need you need more physicality you need length length yeah wingspan yeah I mean yeah sure it doesn’t hurt at all but I think they have what it takes right now right now as is on the perimeter to defend okay at a high level at a good enough level I take it back a good enough level I still think it’s going to be two years AG go if we go into the season with this rosters me two years ago where they have a very high percentage offensive rating and if Mike can get them back to the middle of Road 145 defensive rating not only do I think they’re a five six seed maybe even a four seed um but I think that that it’s gonna get back to the Kings basketball that we saw two years ago do you do you I’m glad you asked that too about um what seed they are do you look at them now as a as a certified top 16 yeah do you think but it’s you’re at the line though so that means you got to be good down the stretch which I think they are now think get to four okay so let’s let’s go let’s go down let’s so let’s go down the list okay I think OKC’s up still up there think Minnesota’s still up there Denver I have a big question mark on because kcp was the glue that kept that team together and I don’t know if Christian Brown they lost brown brown brown they’ve lost two glue pieces in back toback years Bruce Brown and Al kcp so I sit there and I’m like okay can Michael Porter Jr fill that role a little bit more can Christian Brown Brown fill that rooll a little bit more Clippers I don’t believe so because I don’t think kawhai can stay healthy and you don’t have PG-13 and I do believe Russ might be traded they’re trying to they’re trying they’re trying to move he might go to Denver that’s that’s the crazy thing which I think that would be another that then that that would put me back into the conversation okay Denver probably is a little bit better um because I don’t know if the Clippers have the Clippers might be just too in too infatuated with their new stadium they’re into a dome we’re opening up the in Z baby I don’t care who we sign it’s gonna have the largest fan area ever you’re never gonna be able to win here and you’re gonna see uh bomber rubbing thighs again that’s they don’t don’t rub my thigh dog stop he out here getting hyped up over a play and the guy next to him he’s rubbing his thigh bro I don’t care how much money you make stop doing that I’m just trying to watch the game and enjoy it and then the final one for me is the Mavericks bro uh I have was surprised they made the NBA finals I am still not high can they do it again can they do it again maybe not the finals but can they be that type of team again I don’t Luca did not impress me and we’ve talked about this before and you know I hate Kyrie but that’s not conversation for I like I don’t like K I like Kyrie the player I hate Kyrie the person oh man we don’t know Kyrie the person well we don’t know we don’t know we don’t know any well like maybe you like interact with some of the players more than but just the things that he has said in the past on record in the paper about certain things I’m not g I’m not gonna challenge you on that I’m not gonna challenge you on that but um I look at I look at OKC and I look at Minnesota is I think they’re gonna be top two teams really to be honest with you I think Minnesota I everybody says Okay C I think Minnesota’s gonna be the one seed straight up and I think and that’s just my opinion I don’t think there’s anything wrong with anybody thinking OKC is going to be the one seat again because they look great but um I think it’s going to be Minnesota NOC Denver I’m with you I’m with you I need to see what they got going on um not that they’re gonna fall off the face of the Earth they’re a playoff team they’re a top six team but I gotta see what’s going on with them you see the Jamal Murray stuff by the way what then what you talking about extension yeah didn’t he just get didn’t he just get a contract saying he’s still he’s looking for another contract extension he got a contract this summer right yeah no no not this summer no no no no it’s a couple summers ago no I thought he just recently no no no no he’s a little salty right now he wants his money side the point keep it going another thing to keep an eye on yeah no I hear you so there’s there’s them I think the Clippers who are the four seed I think they’re um they’re playing it best at this point like it it could get nasty it can get nasty um then you’ve got the Phoenix Suns or excuse me the Dallas Mavericks who are there I don’t know if they’re an NBA Finals team team again I do think they’re a certified top six playoff team you know and get Klay Thompson and you get uh uh Marshall and I think you’re a top 16am but you might be six like I’m not gonna be like oh yeah they made the finals like there they go they they’re I don’t know about that I gotta see that Klay Thompson good shooter or whatever the case may be but uh he’s he’s passed his prime um bad Defender at this point and he’s just the guy that chucks up jump shots at this point do you think and Jesse you can answer this question too what was a better what was a better acquisition Klay Thompson or Demar roosen oh demard de rosan every single day any third no if you Jesse if you sit there and say Klay Thompson was a better acquisition for the Dallas Mavericks then Demar de Rosen for the Kings I will literally come into the I will jump through the roof oh my God you’re gonna jump through the glass Klay Thompson was the better acquisition jump through the glass there he goes oh no he’s going no yeah it’s EAS dear clay clay is that hurt they’re they’re both like at the end stages of their careers but like dear is in a way different spot than clay like Clay’s kind of like done but I can’t help know that he he agreed yeah I’m joking I just wanted to see if you were gonna go on your word what you say B said I said clay I want to see if you’re gonna go through your go through with your word oh good I’m glad all right no but it’s easily dear okay thank you so I mean you know and and Marsh was a good signing as well I don’t want to sneeze at that but I mean I don’t think it’s inconceivable to say that the Kings may be better than the Mavericks I think they’re on the same plane they’re on the same plane match up well yeah yeah for sure for sure and then you got Phoenix and then and you know who knows what’s going on there you’ve got um I want to see what Memphis does this year you know with jwb back yeah I say um the Lakers the Warriors I think the Spurs are gonna be around there yes but I look at this whole thing with the Kings man I think that I think that’s a top I think I think they I think they’re a top four team top four to five team I’m not going to necessarily stand on business with that just yet I guess I probably should if I said their floor is 52 I probably like they go one in the same they probably I probably should uh have them as a top four team but yeah I say 52 is a top four team but yeah I think a 50 is a top 16 team I think am I wrong on that I think they might be five cuz uh I mean yeah basically Phoenix 149 look this up Phoenix won 49 last year so Dallas was a five of 50 50 wins Clippers were four with 51 third was 56 with Minnesota yeah I think they’re I think they’re around four top top four team now here’s the thing here here’s the interesting thing about the Western Conference because every time I bring that up about the Kings winning 52 or where they might end up people talk about how difficult the the western conference is and I don’t disagree with that it is much much tougher than the Eastern Conference but the Saving Grace is there’s no Boston Celtics in the Western Conference no I’m not sure there’s a New York Knicks in the Western Conference no the what the East is GNA be so much fun this year you’re gonna have Boston New York and Philly top three but but what I mean by that is we all think OKC is really good we all think Minnesota is is really good Denver’s really good right those teams in the right situation just like this past season they going to be out in the first round like the everybody everybody that’s like uh praising thinking I’m crazy for oh KC’s gonna be this and that I know a lot of Kings fans and media members who were like hey just get us into the playoffs because I think we can beat OKC I’m with them they said that last year this past year before D Rosen and all this other stuff just get us in there I think we can get them dudes I’m with you on that I don’t disagree I think you’re right on par with it so I look at the Western Conference and I and yeah like if we’re ranking teams yeah there’s teams that you just show the respect to and say that hey Minnesota uh is probably gonna be better than the Kings or OKC is probably gonna be better than the Kings but like I said they’re not the Celtics if the kings were in the Eastern Conference I’d be like yeah you don’t have a chance against Boston or I don’t even know if you can match up with the Knicks or nothing like that like or Philly I don’t know the one seed in in the west they can beat them they can beat them whoever it is whoever they beat Minnesota what two out of three times last year um they beat OKC I think two out of three times last year as well and blew a 20 something 24o lead uh towards the end of the year in a game against them um beat Denver three out of four times or two out of three times one of the two so yeah I I think this is this is a situation where the Kings can go up against any of these Western Conference teams and vice versa like OKC can be just as good as Minnesota Phoenix probably thinks that they can beat Denver if they played him they did it like three times last year or something like that so it’s really one thing that I learned about where the the western conference is right now is it’s really about matchups and situations I look at OKC good team good Acquisitions of uh Caruso and hartenstein but is is Jay will is he gonna step up his game because in the playoffs that was the issue they had a guy in giddy who couldn’t score for you Chad homr was too small and he wasn’t ready to to lead in that respect and Jay will he had no answer on the offensive end and if that’s if they got the same issues again this playoffs they may go home again in the first or second round not wrong facts facts I I ain’t get it even disagree with you on that you on it like no other thank you my guy appreciate you you can come here anytime hey I like I love to all right but uh I mean that that’s that’s just kind of my thought about the Western Conference and that’s and that’s part of the reason why I’m cool with um you know the the the the the Kings kind of getting after it going after it because it’s tough as the western conference is feels like it’s kind of wide open oh I think one through I think two through 10 is open I still think OKC and Minnesota will be the top two seeds like I think they’re in a different three three through 10 three through 10 is open I think that’s full wide open I like what you’re I agree with you on what you said with the Spurs are going to be better I think the Memphis is going to be a lot better I think D or Dallas might be the same Clippers is gonna be worse what do you think about the Warriors and the Lakers Lakers haven’t done anything so no I do not think they’re the seven seed I think they’re figh for a 10 seat again um I think no one’s talking about the Pelicans and how and the Valenta stuff I think that’s a big deal and I think Ingram being shipped do you think that helps them no I don’t think it it moves the needle a little bit but they they it still doesn’t solve the problem of where they have a big man issue um and I also believe like what are the Warriors doing like we talked about this at the beginning the show trying to get a big fish trying to get a big fish don’t know if it’s happening but if it’s G to be the same thing we’re going to run that team out there like they did last year and not have distinguish RS for everybody like I’m going to be a little concerned because like I don’t know where wigs is at I think kinga’s better better than Wigs Wigs coming off the bench pod like I love paj jimsky like you know good Paul player played well in summer league looked really good against the king summer league team yeah they got to hoist up that stupid ass trophy that was a really can I say that it just doesn’t look good say it it’s a really bad look at trophy like love that the idea behind it like that’s beautiful and everything was that supposed to be a palm tree no I don’t maybe so I didn’t even think about that maybe so and then every every year uh the winter puts their little flag on there and here’s the here’s the bad thing about that um so like it looks like there was maybe I don’t know 10 of those little um branches yeah on there right so what California class is going to end after 10 years what are we doing in year 15 who’s putting the flag what are we doing in the other thing can I add to that yeah did you watch any all the games at the chase Center I did not okay bro whoever puts this thing together next year y’all stop sending this thing to San Francisco they are too infatuated with Oracle park at that time of the year okay have the thing isn’t I’ll talk about him in just a second another conversation we’ll do do that in a little bit um I want three days four days straight to c classic here at the golden one center it’s a great great site to host it people show up for the games especially Kings fans stop sending it to the chase Center this is the third time I’ve seen this when I first came in here like when I first got the job here in sack I remember watching those games that time I was like no one’s there like that’s empty why are they doing and Chase Center when it’s empty you can tell yeah golden one they do a great job about hiding the upper bowl and making sure looks like it’s still jam-packed and down the lower B was fantastic I just think doco is it’s underutilized sometimes I agree and I think that could be utilized as a premier Summer Event I 100% agree um yeah I’m not I mean from what I understood and I always go back to this I feel like I heard somewhere the the original idea of the California classic is it was going to rotate you were trying to get the Clippers involved and it was just going to be the California teams it’s California classic there’s going to be California teams and it will Road between Sacramento the Bay Area and la and Clippers have never wanted to be involved so you had to add other teams and yeah it’s not like really like rotating like that like just leave it here just leave it here just leave it here why over complicate the situation it’s successful here you can you can make it a Mary Summer Event bring maybe tourism here who knows I don’t know if it can that’s a possibility but like there’s just there’s a smarter way of going about it I agree I absolutely agree man but um yeah man I I think I’m staying with my 52 wins man okay I think I’m staying with my I’ve gone too far now I can’t turn back can we talk about this in October sure I started training camp I’ll hold you to it you hold me to it and then that will be when the roster set we know what we’re looking at because I think it’s gonna change I like firmly I think I think and I I’m hearing you I’m hearing you I don’t think I’m going to change the floor of 52 yeah so if they got like kma cam anything else like that I’m not gonna be like no the floor is gone up to 55 no 52 but I think 52 will St will the ceiling go up though ceiling will go up the ceiling will be the roof and it’ll go up okay you know people are excited I was downtown last night for the first time in a while uh went to a little birthday dinner yeah I saw that was fun it was good good times good times man shout out to my people y yeah straight up yeah and um I went to uh just walking around I was at I was at the the lids I went to my people over at Phenom D Phenom straight fir stuff got to my man hung and all the people over there they doing anything um but people people was talking to me about it it’s like yo it’s about to be lit it’s about to be lit I can’t wait for the season all of that like people are hyped I saw people are hyped I saw D roen Jersey already you know I live down there right in that doco area I didn’t know you lived in doco did you move no same spot I thought you were more Midtown no I’m doco this CBS Manan when they uh they hiring I get I get nah you know it was popping last night Sawyer uh pin housee you know was popping last night and Casey can I can say this from the beginning okay and can I tell a quick story about this hold it hold the story hold no I want to hear this is good Cliffhanger I want to hear the Jake gayon story because he always got some good story we hear what Jake G got to say and then I got a couple other things to ask him that some people might not like but I got to ask him I gotta ask Jay G’s here I have to ask man he’s rocking with me DLo and KC ESPN 1320 happy Friday Rachel what up girl I see my boy Avery out there doing track and everything man I like that I like that Sawyer Jake L at the Sawyer residential units fam I don’t make enough money for that big balling with my homies let me get my phone charger D all right guys just me me and you on the stream what you got for me set set him right now I’m gonna do rapid fire throw it in the chat Colin you already know Collins you already know that’s that’s that’s the Cliffhanger send me the questions send me the cues buddy healed get out of here buddy heals from the worst offseason acquisitions by The Warriors drink a choice okay great question uh love wine with my dinner but if I’m going to cocktail hour I am probably having oldfashioned we’re on the lake or by the water we’re we’re crushing High NOS favorite restaurant in doco O before it closed Solomon’s there some greate brunch where was all Salomon vinyl yeah yeah the vinyl place I never ate so good down downstairs they just closed it’s sad the vinyl shop even closed too I agree very thin bench for Denver I ecstatic that Dan Hurley is staying at Yukon if he went to the Lakers I wouldn’t have heard the end of that I don’t think I I we I think we talked about this was that ever a real thing yeah it was you think he’s really he I don’t I don’t think he I don’t think he ever was really Gonna Leave why was he gonna fly out no it’s his wife his wife made a decision I can understand that she’s the one who runs the household she made the decision he he would have done it if she said yeah I think I personally think so I don’t think he ever was really Gonna Leave Jay what’s your favorite cereal I don’t like cereal Frosted Flakes no realistic expectations for the Patriots this year if if Drake may can I love the clip of Drake May and hard KNX this past year past week doesn’t mean he’s going to be a good quarterback gotta do it on do you like him are you are you oh I’m a big fan I think he’s better than M Jones you you gotta Don’t Mess the quarterback up oh is s is Sarah as wild as she claims to be I saw the clip with with with big tone yesterday I die because it’s the dang truth okay I don’t know what Gilbert Arenas is talking about not a clue that’s part of the Cliffhanger all right oh boy oh boy it does come down to if can take the next jump I do not love Fruity Pebbles Fruity Pebbles is not my thing I did not like that as a kid I was a pancake and eggs kid we back at it ESPN 1320 D Casey Jake gayon CBS 13 rocking with me for just a little bit have a good time on this Friday now says 111 degrees that’s why I’m in Jersey today so let me ask you a question shoot because don’t forget your story either we got to hear yeah um I have often said uh that I would rather be in like East Coast humidity than like 111 degrees out here I understand like I just came back from the DMV I saw that and it was 95 degrees plus like it was it’s it’s not enjoyable I’m not saying it as if it’s enjoyable but it feels like maybe over there there I get more overcast days and you know while it’s hot and humid it’s overcast as opposed to I always use the analogy when we’re out here sometimes it’s like when the the little badass kids take the uh magnifying glass and put it right over an ant so the the sun just fries them that’s what it kind of feels like out here a little bit a lot of the time so you’ve been on both a lot which one can you handle better East Coast much better now I’ve gotten used to the West Coast and I think I got so as many of you know went to school Arizona State right shout out to sundevils Jesse I guess it is what it is where your um yeah what is it with you Ariz St guys you guys are always just here what the hell’s going on here we had a we had a uh Forks up Podcast yesterday Ramsey tried sneaking in a hockey question like connecting it to Arizona State somehow you got my guy Devon right yeah yeah oh you know Devon oh I know him James ham threw me in contact with him the point yeah yeah that’s my good kid okay getting lunch with him tomorrow side the point all right uh I got introduced to the heat like right away in college it was 115 every single day in the summer Phoenix so like I feel like it’s like I agree that it’s the the micro it’s the the magnify magnifying glass but it’s also like being baked in an oven like in a convection oven like you feel like you’re in a convection oven where like the heat is hitting you yeah and like the wind is hitting you with the heat where on the East Coast if it’s windy out it’s going to be a cool breeze yes it’s going to be super hot right I I I think the biggest difference is is this the minute the sun knows down here it is still hot the minute the sun goes down in Connecticut or the East Coast nice cool it’s not not hot yeah stayy yeah yeah you could say that you can say that um I personally like okay my body loves to heat out here better because they don’t break out humidity makes break out that sucks yeah it is luckily for me I don’t have any issues either Coast beautiful skin my guy I try you know what I’m saying I try I try to keep it up you know do what I can you know I’ve been blessed you know thank God you know what I mean all the good jeans but uh yeah I just I don’t know I’m I I’ve I’ve said a number of different times I grew up in Sacramento California Sacramento Summers is what I know so 110 105 it’s the way it should be if it was 85 I’d be like this summer is whack like turn up the heat that’s how it should be why do you skip over the 90s every time you go from 110 to 85 Jessie should be 95 like why do you skip over the 90s thank you Jess no 95 I didn’t grow up 95 every day there were times there were weeks where it was about 105 for most of the most of the next next 10 days now this is getting a little excessive we’re going on going on about two and a half basically live in Death Valley now no not wrong but we’re going on two and a half weeks here and they need to settle down y need to settle down a little bit all right just settle down let’s get back into those at least 101s let’s get back into that I’ll talk to Nick Marianos over at CBS 13 our weather guy let’s do that the crazy thing is it’s hot everywhere like I said I was in the DMV and it was like 95 you know and you know what that means out there oh you you you dripping W like I mean dripp back back your whole entire back so I stayed out of I stayed from being outside I wasn’t outside good I just I didn’t do it get some good crab over there though that great Maryland crab dude that great you can’t get that’s just like I’m I’m torn between who has the better crab Maryland crab or Louisiana crab I don’t know they tasted they got different seasonings and stuff it’s different seasoning I think it’s a ying and yang thing I think it’s a personal preference they’re both they’re both can I tell you one thing though lobster roll Cape Cod I never had I’ve never had Jess have you have you been out to the east coast no just Miami’s not the East Coast right it’s South it’s South but you haven’t been out to theeast all right we’re gonna you know what guys I made an executive decision yeah yeah you Damen Jesse we’re gonna bring you over to Boston next year okay we’re gonna get do a full Boston tour okay we’re going to do duck duckboat duckboats included you want me to go to Boston okay ready then then we’re going to take the Amtrak okay four hour three three hours south go to New York City for three days talking we go to New York City and then we’re going to go to Madison Square Garden and I’m going to have you give a tour of the whole entire place to the Garden you know that’s my place you know I love a garden never told last time you said the garden was filthy and had rats all over it you said I’m this Daman I’ve never been to the Garden I call the garden the mecca okay because it is it’s the Mecca and I gotta bring gotta make sure Damen knows it there ain’t no rats in Madison Square I’ve heard there are definitely rats in Madison okay let’s not it’s as excessive as you think okay it’s not a breeding ground bro did you see I I I I know I was talking to Jesse about did you see that latest video of that rat in like a New York City Corner Store yeah scary bro you could throw him on leashes that thing was a beaver scary that was a damn Beaver you’re not wrong it’s scary scary I always ask the question and excuse we we’ll get back to sports I just July 12 what do you want why do the rats get that big in New York like why there’s a lot there’s a lot of trash so there’s a lot to for them to eat but but like this is what I think about though right like it’s it’s like this uh how do I explain it if I ate a lot I wouldn’t grow to be huge 66 I would just get wide right like so you think if they’re eating a lot they would just be fatter no they’re they’re like growing in size like height and everything how does this happen are they eating like stuff in the sewer they toxins in the sewer probably those oy way sandwiches bro oh the AY way you can’t forget the Bev never never never can’t get the B never never never you’re crazy you’re crazy I also saw shout out to New York City Jesse you’ll appreciate this I maybe you saw this as well shout out to New York City um as they introduced trash cans I saw the air that’s that’s great that’s great it’s 2024 and you’re introducing trash cans for the first time what the hell are we doing they just roll him out like look at this no that was that was the presentation the guy rolls the trash can out and puts trash in there and he’s like hey everybody hey we’re here what we made it just wait till they get dumpsters we made it oh man hey let’s get to these phone lines man people want to talk to Jake man uh de on KC 91699 1320 who we got on the line Jess we got Pablo Pablo my guy what’s up baby hey what’s up fellas good to hear you what’s up man let’s go Paulo heyy well you know I want to give my thoughts on Kevin herder and get your thoughts as well is that um you know I think it’s it’s kind of cool that they’re keeping him because you know I think he get deserves another chance and if we get to 2022 2023 Kevin hter is like let’s go you can put a lot of games Out Of Reach but at the same time there’s a risk involved because if you come back and he ain’t hitting then his stock and trade drops you considerably because everybody knows he had a B season last year so so what you think about that keep them or or trade them you make some good points Pablo as far as like the risk you run if you bring him back and if he gets lost in the shuffle if his minutes goes down or his production stays the same way I don’t want to say it becomes untradable but it’s gonna you the return may not be as much and it may be harder to move him so you may want to for a lack of a better turn strike whether the iron’s hot where he does have some value he’s not too far removed from two years ago and maybe you can get more uh for him is compared to as if he has a bad year this year I’d also say this Kevin has been on the record and said I want to start I believe starting truly helps me coming off the bench I’m not great coming off the bench well you might be coming off the bench buddy that’s one people in the desert want water one that’s one people in Sacramento want water two I love Kevin I think I’ve grown personally close to him I think he’s a good person and everything like that but he’s opened up to me and told me before like hey sometimes I get in my head with some some some of my stuff and like where he just he needs the ball to go through the net for him to be confident out there understandable and when that doesn’t happen the the scoring goes the the IQ goes it just it’s a it’s a rapid Decline and I can understand it’s a spiral type of thing all right it’s a spiral um type of way of thinking um that’s what I worry about like if you do not have a designated role for him where he’s doing what he knows what to do um and is okay with it and is all bought in with it I don’t know if you get the Kevin herder from two years ago look in that respect obviously once again I’m not an NBA player news flash or whatever the case may be but uh when I when I played basketball when I was younger and even to this day I’m a scorer I score that’s what I do I get Buckets I’m a score I got basketball IQ and do all this other stuff that’s great but at the end of the day you ask me what I Get Buckets that’s my job and when I’m playing if I’m not getting like if I’m if I start off the game shooting one of six I feel like I’m doing a bad job I could be doing everything else right like I could be making passes I could be defending well and doing all this other stuff but if I’m not making my shots I feel like man I’m I’m stinking it up right now and to Kevin’s Point like he’s a scorer he’s a guy that gets buckets and yeah we talk about he tried to work and do other things as far as getting rebounds and stuff like that and he tried he worked on it but at the end of the day he is who he is and he’s got to see that ball go through the hoop for him to feel good about himself you know to on the court you know what I mean and and feel like he’s producing what he’s uh his role calls for so I I understand that completely you know what I mean and it’s it’s tough I and you talk about how um he is expecting to to to start and get certain amount of minutes too yeah I think that ship is sailed here in in unfortunately I like I like Kevin herder too I don’t I haven’t I’ve never talked to Kevin actually but um I like him I I like the way last year he uh in a tough situation in a situation where you know maybe he wasn’t sure what was going on with his minutes he kind of buckled down and looked to just be better and control what he can control and if he was hitting shots cool couldn’t hit shots he really worked on the defensive end was he always a great defensive player no but he worked at it right he worked at it and uh you know that’s all you can ask sometimes he’s the ultimate professional yes ultimate professional and I I’ll tip my cap to that guy every single time for that I I I like I like Kevin herder and we’ll we’ll see what happens with him man let’s see what wge is talking about uh oh there’s a there’s a wge bomb here it says in a large it’s not Kings related everybody don’t worry you know largely you lead yourself with that next time like I was up in my my heart I was like oh my God there we go Friday I’m gonna be here to four o’clock let’s rock all right oh man in a largely unprecedented Financial concession to give roster flexibility to a contender New York nickar jayen Brunson has agreed to a 4-year $56 million and the screen goes black $156 million contract extension 113 million uh less guaranteed than he’s eligible to receive in about a year or so the deal which will cost Brunson $37 million over the next three years comes with a fourth year player option Leon Rose says and that would set up Brunson to recoup the rest of the $13 million on a foure goodness gracious four years 323 million in8 or listen to this a new 5year 418 million deal in 2029 the NBA got Stupid Money fam the NBA has got Stupid Stupid Money wow these contracts are gonna get crazy Jaylen Bruns is smart though he hey prime time it’s hey the no the Nova ncks the Nova Nicks how you feel about the Nova I do like that you want to know why pH doesn’t rep Nova that’s very interesting really they don’t they do it is so it’s big five it’s big five they just don’t rep it like Temple more yeah it’s really wild can you believe that that is crazy like I can’t I’ve talked to people who live in Phil one of my best girlfriends ever okay Amanda Clearfield shout out okay still still am here oh she’s the best okay but I’ve asked her like you have a Philly fan do you claim over she’s like nah it’s not in the city like what do you mean yeah what do you mean it’s not in the city isn’t it in Philadelphia it’s like it’s in Philadelphia it’s in great or proper Philadelphia throw that up um I was like okay so like you don’t ride with the Nova Knicks she’s like nah like as a philly fan as a 76er fan I want the Knicks to lose so I was like okay interesting that’s gonna be that’s gonna be an intense but that whole that’s not I 95 with the whole triangle whole triangle with Boston New York and Philly that’s gonna be that’s gonna be lit this year that’s gonna be lit 95 connects New York and Boston but I I think I it’s not 80 I’m blanking what connects uh Philly and then if you want to go a little further south and you want to throw the Wizards in there it’s really gonna be no I’m just joking I just see the yous listening wizards they got some problems over at cap one my buddy works for them yeah they got some they got some stuff over there they’re not look good before we get too far away there’s things that I want to ask you you also have not let me have my I’m about to say right now hold on let me let me make sure let me make let me reset everything so we’re good you’re listening to ESPN 1320 kfm West Sacramento on Odyssey station in dowo and Casey brought to you by Sky River Casino uh go check out my people at 32 Bru over there got my main man Jay gayon with me here from CBS 13 it’s been kind enough to rock with me for a while and all right I got it I’m I don’t know what’s going on what’s up Jake tell me the story we got I always love the Jake experience okay so when I first came to sack okay I went to Casey I was like Casey it’s November bro it’s December where are all the girls what’ I say what’ I say you’re like Jake when the heat comes up they come out so I was gonna say to you this past weekend okay it was 10 and something degrees out right a little too hot for him no no no it wasn’t bro bro after the uh the the Cali classic game on Saturday R Street and cas Street was packed with honey I’m telling you and I wanted to text you all right I texted Sarah this and I was like Sarah they come out of the woodwork okay where have they been staying for all this time like I’m sitting here like do they come off from Stockton are they rolling down from Roseville are they like you know are they hiding in the weeds in Davis like where where where where are these people people so Kenny has told me from the start he said Jake the ladies don’t come out until it warms up and you stand on business with that my guy okay I’m looking out for you man I’m always looking out for you you know my hey my jersey in the Raptor I’m retired in these streets man you know I’m just I’m a family man now you you I get I give all the juice I give all the all the all the the love to you now man what you do do I I’ll take it anytime we live in life live in large you know just doing doing our Sacramento nights thing and and loving loving everything about no doubt man I love I love to hear that man so this is so I think I think you’re gonna have a a really good time next summer okay because Friday Saturday nights in June and July with what’s going on over in West Sack it’s gonna be a good time and this is what I wanted to ask you about right I just want to talk to you because Jay Gay for those who don’t know he was he was on this A’s possible playing in Sacramento thing year and a half two years ago M like and he was like he did to to us it was like a random story like I remember watching he did a random story about like hey what if the A’s came here or whatever and talk to like a mayor and and the tourism guy or whatever y I was like I hit Jake I was like J what you talking about bro he’s like just just keep your eye on it bro I’m telling you this was two years ago like keep your eyes on it and obviously you see what happens um I’m always I always tread lightly when I talk about the A’s in Sacramento because there are people that I’m close with that I love and respect like a Matt George like a Kyle Matson who are A’s fans Oakland A’s fans and they’re they’re losing the A’s right and I look man I I ain’t trying to um rub it in nobody’s face or whatever I’m very excited for what’s going to be happening in Sacramento over the next couple years um but but I I’m not you know I’m sympathetic to their feelings about the situation so I try to be tread lightly but I got Jake here and I got to ask the question a lot of people talk about like and and Casey Pratt’s one of them and I don’t know Casey Pratt he seems like a a a hell of a dude like I’m not saying it’s in shade or whatever but every opportunity to take a shot at the A’s playing in Sacramento he takes it like he he don’t he don’t miss he he don’t waste an opportunity and the latest thing that they’re talking about is they got the Heat going on and they’ve got this this Turf that they’re going to be putting out there and people talking about the turf might melt and all this other stuff and it’s a legit concern or whatever the case may be the thing that I always say is they’re not going to play in June July and August I don’t think they’ll play more than five day games that’s what I think I don’t disagree like in Texas they when they were in the ball ballpark in Arlington and people talk about the Sunday games and stuff like that they played evening Sunday games in Texas because they were outside in the Heat and all this other stuff granted they also had natural grass so that may be another component but I just I I know you got knowledge of this and I just was trying to dispel some of that like yeah it’s an issue the Dodgers almost never play Day games because it gets hot in La they almost they play Sunday Day games and that’s it and I think Major League Baseball might in June July and August might eliminate Sunday Day games in Sacramento they might be evening games I don’t disagree so this is what I got the chronicle came out with an article yesterday I think it was yesterday just about the the the heat in in sack at West Sacramento um guys hate to break it to you but news flash this ain’t new they’ve been doing this for for the rivercats for like a decade now yes it’s not artificial turf out there but do you guys know what artificial turf they’re using because I don’t I don’t either are you guaranteed that this is not the newest technology that possibly won’t be as hot as the last one like basically what I’m getting at is this I have talked to sources this past week especially even yesterday when that that article came out I was like any truth to this like is this something you guys are worried about and the consistent message I get back is until we have it all figured out I don’t want anybody say anything like let us figure out like all the Kinks and these issues and what we’re talking about we’re still working through this there’s nothing said in stone we have not heard a game plan of what they’re doing yet it is nothing’s like perfect over there right and I’ve asked out because I’ve been on the story I’m still trying to figure out hey is there any updates you can give me is there anything you can throw me that you know keep people excited and interested they’re like we it’s not finalized so until everything is finalized fam and what do you mean by that is like the The Players Association Players Association what the updates look like when the updates are going to get installed everything like that like nothing is full seal of approval yet so until that is final seal Manfred comes out here and says this is what we’re doing John fer comes out Vette comes out and says this is what we’re doing y’all chill out you guys have no problem just I understand the the the disrespect that they feel like from from Oakland and John fiser and the disrespect they feel like the organization happens but don’t bring that on to Sacramento because they’re trying to figure out game a game plan for this and until they have it let them figure it out before you start criticizing them that’s the frustrating part to me let them present to you a plan and say this is what we’re doing and then go poke hes at it but there’s not even a plan to be presented yet that’s what I’m upset about so okay this is what I’ll say to this give him time I know that that that this is still being worked through as we speak right now this is the talk of the summer for them I think by next month if not the next two weeks we’ll have a better understanding of what they’re going to do in West Sacramento the updates that are going to be happening what’s got approved what’s got to change and then when that happens I would say everybody poke and prod at it say what’s wrong with it but for right now I still think this is a great idea I think this is going to be great for the city I think this is going to be great for the A’s and I still think they’re going to be here from three to four years they’re going to get it right and if they don’t get it right at the start they’ll get it right at some point the reason why I have confidence in saying that is not JN Fischer’s side but the Vex side is not going to let this fail I just I don’t see them the man is a man of his word he always have said if I want to do something we get it done we have a track record of getting it done look at the track record he gets it done that’s it I mean that that’s a guy that like you just mentioned and you started off talking about VC this guy’s got he’s gotten everything done since he came here to Sacramento he wanted an arena got the arena done he built up doco and all this other stuff um you you wanted a winning team eventually he got that done took a little while it took a little while but he got that done and then the questions were and there’re still there sure people might still have questions or reservations about it but they they would get upset and say he hadn’t paid for you know he’s cheap and all this other stuff he is not cheap fam well look once again I’m not gonna break the bank for Buddy Hill and Willie coli Stein and go into the tax for that these guys can’t even win uh 40 games like no we’re not we’re not doing that so I’m not paying that money for when he had a team that he feels is worth at and has an opportunity has he skimped on any of the money right now he hasn’t done that he I joke about it or whatever and I call him Uncle V or whatever Uncle V don’t play no he don’t play he’s he’s he’s about his business he’s about you know winning and being successful and if he sees an opportunity to be successful he’s going to jump on it and he’s not going to he’s not going to cut no corners on it and I feel that’s what’s going to happen with his a thing so you know the people they can you know have their um remarks and they can crack their jokes about it or whatever but if there is a way to make sure it goes as smooth as possible be rad is gonna make every opportunity to make that go smooth as possible if if it doesn’t go smooth it’s not going to be because they kind of tried to cut corner he tried to cut corners or anything like that they gonna do everything he can to try and make it work so I just I I i’ heard a lot about the heat situation and the turf and last couple weeks and they playing on it I’m not I’m not even saying like it’s valid concerns like I I get it but but to your point like I said that’s why I wanted to ask you to your point let’s see what they’ve got planned before we say it’s just gonna be a flat out failure that’s that’s all I say when when they come out with the plans and if it’s not adequate and it does become a failure you can say I told you so or whatever you want to say or whatever the case may be and and like you said poke whatever holes you want to in it it’s just it’s just give it an opportunity to see what’s gonna happen first pump the breaks let’s then we can then we can dissect it that’s it that’s it Jake you’re the man dog dude you’re the man you are the man I I appreciate you coming in here for as long as you did today hanging out with your boy of course always this is the best way to spend a Friday I hate that you didn’t get a chance to show Daman your Yukon Jersey he wouldn’t have been able to handle John from Connecticut okay John from Connecticut came out today I don’t think Daman I’m still waiting for when you go on vacation and Damien gets me the invite over here okay I’ve got KC’s gotten giv me the invite James Ham’s gotten me the invite Kyle Madison’s G the invite Damian’s just like bro he’s gonna bring too much juice to the show I’m sure it’ll happen next time hey I’ll say this though Casey you good for Sunday uh where am I at on Sunday yeah I think so let me check with the family see good yeah Sports Sunday I know that’s hey he spot ready for this yeah rating has been good come on now let’s eat let’s eat straight up all because the guys J gon CBS 13 my main man we G to come back with a little more I want me and Jesse I wanted to talk Jesse about the the media rights deal man and some of the things that are going on with that we’ve got uh Eddie Gonzalez coming up at 2:45 and we’ve got Frank red coming up at 320 as DLo and KC on ESPN 1320 see you everybody my dog shatty house as always I salute you my man appreciate man I appreciate you man was a big chid chemistry is all through the roof right now all right absolutely yeah get a little photo yeah let me get a photo hold on CH e e e that I got a say it is like really it is tough when we like we’re fine here in the little Studios or whatever it’s like 70 degrees whatever we set it we walk out there it’s like 112 oh man it’ be hot it really does like punch you in the face bro it’ be hot as hell I’ll be trying to get to that uh trying to get to that car as quick as possible turn that air on and then I go home and I just stay inside till the sun go down oh Tony ‘s on trip baby I got you I got you I’m still working my way towards that PS5 too I keep seeing the NCAA like tweets and all that stuff Tuesday I ain’t gonna be worth the damn on Wednesday because I think I’m going be up you know D in case you’re off next Nom I’m just play Shout Out k mson Magic up by almost 20 right now hey they are up by 20 now or 30 now on Cleveland some of the team lman Bates should be playing I think that’s him right there DLo and KC here on this Friday afternoon in a hot hot hot Sacramento California now it says 114 uh on my computer right now man so uh everybody stay cool like I keep saying and we got the chatty house is brought to you by Matthews mattress sleep in this summer with a new mattress my good friends over at Kevin and Kristen at Matthews mattress Matthews mattress customers are here to tell you the Matthews difference is an easy low pressure buying experience assisted by 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but but look at least he tried it you know he tried to say no I’m I’m not going to get in involved in this this web of you know these shoe companies and all this other the stuff I’ll start my own brand he tried it did it work no it didn’t work but he tried it and it was it was doing people like big ball brand I I said that to say the first maybe two or three weeks when he was on all the little shows talking crazy I was like get this guy out of here then I thought about it some more and I said man this a this is a father who is supporting his sons um hyping them up you know and showing them love publicly to anybody who will ask uh um he’s having fun you know what I’m saying he’s not hurting nobody um and I did a complete 180 on thear ball fully in his corner and still him to this day like I said he he’s he’s a loving father who’s supporting his sons and you know what he got say what you want he got three boys to the NBA he got he got them all to the NBA they’re they’re successful when it comes to um finances and all this other stuff Yeah man they I I maybe maybe you don’t like him like TR in the in the chat says Lavar is a clown No No Cap like why is he a clown why like really like why is he a clown he all he did was basically believe in his sons and when somebody asked him he believed in them the only two things I didn’t like that he ever did was when he was talking about Luke Walton who a lot of people actually would agree with him but that I thought I was doing too much and then after UCLA lost he was like saying it was the kids the other kids on the team’s fault like I didn’t like that those two things that I don’t agree with there was times he was doing the most but but he wasn’t hurting nobody yeah no like I said like he’s a little annoying to me like I probably wouldn’t hang out with lvar ball but I can respect it I think you’d have a good time with Lavar ball no it’s too much energy for me I think too much you know the the the funny thing about it um with with Lavar is there’s a perception of this and that you know whatever the people have the perception of of Lavar ball which usually negative or something like that but uh my my wife she really liked his uh she likes lamelo obviously we talked about that like she’s like that’s my boy that’s that’s like that’s like lil bro lamelo and she watched like their little Facebook show when it was going on or whatever and I didn’t really watch watch it too much or whatever but she wouldd always like be watching it and I’d see a clip and for the whole like he coddled these kids or would tell people like they’re the greatest and all this other stuff there was a couple of different times when he was on lamelo’s head like he was on lamelo’s head he was like even during a basketball game he’s like you’re selfish you need to learn how to pass the ball you play um all that fancy like he was on anything that people would probably like want uh coach or a parent to say to a kid that thinks that you know their head’s gotten too big or anything he said it to lamelo a few times like he was on lamelo’s head like you selfish and you ain’t you don’t play no defense you like he but nobody don’t talk about that right like they just showed the clips of him talking about oh my my sons are gonna be better than Jordan or something like that like that’s all they show yeah and um I saw a couple times like lamelo specifically he would be on lamelo’s head when lamelo was doing wrong like lamelo was like not listening or not playing defense or whatever he he he get on mamelo real quick did you ever see them on Monday Night Raw I did no selling everything I think lamelo was cursing the whole time Lam takir L was just cursing the never invited back again I think they were out there with a Miz or someone just like all right yeah like none of this is working no man like I and I’m I I thought I think about something like that like he these dudes got to be on on WW they got to be on Monday Night Raw like they living the dream they need to put us on Smackdown when they come here September 20th they do need to put us on there put hell I’ll play the role of uh Jaylen Brunson and tyres Alberton who who would you want to be like lined up with who would you want to be lined up with are we talking like media people no no like uh so you know who I’m walking out there with well yeah because Jake Paul was he had Tyrese Halbert in his Corner yeah and Jaylen was La Knight or something right yeah yeah who would you want to be like associated with I don’t know yeah I’m trying to think of who’s on Smackdown the um they the Whatchamacallit ain’t around no more right the uh the hurt business yeah not I think that’s done yeah those those are my Bo I don’t even know really who’s on Smackdown I only know like the damn uh bullet line is on on Smackdown is Jay on on Smackdown I don’t know CH chat I think he’s on Raw I think he is RA where’s D when we need him damn it I would be I I would I wouldn’t want to be with the heel I wouldn’t want to be with a baby yeah no you’re a heel you’re a heel I would I want to be with a heel so um I don’t even know who’s a heeling on Smackdown right now that’s crazy you guys in the chatty house let us know uh who who we’d be best paired up with on on Smackdown because yeah they’re saying Jay is in raw uh Cody’s on Smackdown you guys love Cody so much go ahead be with Cody hey don’t just I’ll be with solo I’ll be with solo I like solo Solo’s dope I feel like he’s like starting to come into his own now yeah I’ll be I’ll be with solo I’ll be with solo me me and solo come out uh Jason Ross will be with Cody and we Shout Out J Ross I saw that tweet ear no man salute man I ain’t even gonna I ain’t gonna hold you man salute J Ross uh you know 30 years in in in this business and started was 10 I guess that that deserves that deserves some air horns and a salute man and um he’s one of the nice nice individuals I’ve met in this business man so um sack State home20 Sacramento State play byplay Man Jason Ross sack State oh Jason Ross man salute to him for sure um the NBA is it’s funny the wording of this right they’ve finalized the media rights deal that can still be matched by by Warner Brothers so I I don’t know like is yeah I don’t get that why is that like some legal like they have to let them they have to give the ability to match or something yeah I think it’s in their contract that um they have the ability to match whatever whatever’s going on I think it’s I’m gonna pull it up real quick I had it in front of me but 76 million billion excuse me 76 billion doll deal um for the NBA with their media rights deal and TNT as of now is not a part of it but they did show um what the lineup is going to look like for the NBA I was excited for that I got I got I got I got a question though talk to me NBA is that scared of the NFL like we can’t just maybe do it Monday through Saturday we I get Sunday because that’s just you’re not going to win that one but like that’s going to be like I don’t get why they don’t play Thursdays more often so yeah they definitely because you’re not gonna win that either way and I don’t think is it gonna make that much of a difference so so here’s here’s the here’s the issue I think they’re running into is um their Thursday partner does football yeah I guess yeah that’s a good point so they’d have to put it on ESP I don’t think ESPN would do that yeah that’s where TNT would come into play they should have they should have been doing that in the past putting it on TNT but yeah yeah they’re they’re kind of kind of hamstrung um with the partners that they have now they’re kind of hamstrung with doing anything uh on Thursday but when the football season is over it’s up I’m excited yeah it’s up that’s the the lineup right now is Monday night is gonna be on it’s gonna be on peacock I’m just I’m just I’m reporting that’s the name of the the app don’t don’t do H the button on the soundboard respect the game respect the game don’t do respect the game I’m just but I’m just saying I don’t even know I can’t even I don’t even know where it’s at I don’t even know where it’s I can’t find it oh you got like a premium peock come on I’m just saying though that’s the name of the the app that’s all I’m saying is I’m reporting the news I’m a I’m a broadcast journalist I’m a news journalist out here Monday’s on peacock Tuesday is like an MBC Tuesday night in the basketball night in America that’s going to be I’m kind of excited for NB like you guys have been talking up NBC for for a few years now so you guys better be right too no it’s going to be crazy like NBC better be like like round ball Rock whatever that little song is called or whatever like it better be everything you’re gonna get hyp you’re gonna get hyped I’m G tell you that right now you’re gonna get hyped um Tuesday’s NBC what with like a Tuesday night and basketball night in America Wednesday’s ESPN that’s the traditional spot Thursday is g to be Amazon Friday is going to be I don’t know if it’s ESPN and Amazon or ESPN or Amazon because it has a slash on it I don’t know ESPN Amazon on Friday Saturday ESPN Amazon again and then Sunday this this the one that got me hype Sunday morning here on the West Coast NBC oh boy it’s gonna be hype boy they back NBC back in the Stak man Sunday is gonna be NBC and ESPN probably ESPN like in the evening or something like that but yeah this is lit this is lit yeah I’m excited for it I I think it’s going to elevate the league a little bit more just because they’re going to be on prime time every day after the NFL season so so that’s something I want to ask you do you think it has a possibility of I don’t want to say watering down the NBA product but you have a national TV game every night is it can it hurt can it hurt at all I don’t think so but you got to make sure your stars are playing stars there got to be some type of story there like it doesn’t have to be just LeBron and Steph and the Celtics or whatever every every game or whatever but you got to make sure there’s some some reason to watch there’s got to be a story to it every time you know as I look at this ironically the weak link might be ESPN it is like that might be that might be they might get the give them the Lebron game yeah give them Lakers Warriors they might get the least high-profile game of the week I’m trying to think here at least on Wednesday Friday they might try and like so like I I I kind of feel like looking at it I feel like um ESPN is when everybody’s going to get everybody’s gonna get an opportunity to play on national TV and it’s going to be through ESPN The Heavy Hitters are going to get the NBC games and the mid tier like it’s gonna be it’s gonna be Amazon that’s tough because then ESPN that makes ESPN the Thursday night football of the NBA now everyone’s got to play that’s kind of what I really hope I really hope they worked it into that contract you guys have to fix your um pregame show and all that too cuz ESPN’s product is really bad and I don’t think they will they but ESPN it’s it’s gonna be interesting because they they the the pregame show is cool to postgame is is not cool postgame is not existent and I like SVP I don’t have a problem with him but i’ I’d rather uh Inside the NBA like postgame show the the other thing about this is it signifies in less TNT matches which let’s just be clear just fade into Bolivian ESPN or TNT please like don’t don’t go uh trying to match and like no we’re not going out without a fight no please go out without a fight like it’s you guys are finished you you can’t beat this if tnt came back and like think think about it like this if tnt matched and they knocked out NBC oh what is the hate for TNT though maybe they match and knock out ESPN or something no they ain’t knocking out ESPN yes ain’t going away yeah it’s facts yes’s stuck I honestly think well I it might be NBC but but I think they try to knock out Amazon which Amazon I’m interested in because they do all right with sports they do pretty good with Thursday Night Football Amazon and NBC will be lit it’s just ESPN like I said their product is just bad it’s the worst out the three but they got the most money they got the most money and you and you kind of Gotta Have ESPN right like you got to have them so you have your NBAs today you got people that I think one of the big things with all this stuff is um is is like the highlights and stuff like that so if you want to be able to have you know the Highlight package on first take all the time or whatever or PTI like that’s part of the part of the the deal so um you got to have ESPN like you get I ESPN has everything right I don’t think there’s a league they don’t have yeah like SOC stuff no they have MLS don’t they or is it exive that’s all Apple TV I think when you see when was the last time you saw anything about MLS been a minute this year right yeah shout out messy though shout out but I ain’t even I feel like I ain’t even seen no Messi highlights this year well they’re on a break right now well Messi’s on a break he’s playing with Argentina Messi got his own MLS is going on right now but Messi’s playing with Argentina this dude Messi just said I’m out keep the league going you ain’t got to stop it but I’m out I’ll be back in in in August let’s go Cal Expo let’s work we gotta get messy here is H is is is he going to the Olympics no the Olympics they do um it’s under 23 and then you can take three senior players got you USA have a chance no okay us be nice uh let’s get to these phone lines man 91699 1320 who we got on the line TC oh come on man TC my guy what up big dog what’s up with my two brothers man man we good man we good man on this Friday you know what it is Hey listen get Casey get on their here man you know we from sag man listen man you know we know about heat man people from sack don’t really know about it but we used to this though the triple digit and all that like Jesse like you know I mean but you from down the way too Jesse it get hot down there people don’t really be feeling it down here they be like oh man we used to it dog that’s how it be and we be trying to warn people like man that’s heat and Sack bro different people even I got family from down south that be coming down my dad started family from L Rock right man they be coming down they be like bro it’s hot down here dog I be like man it’s different it’s different we ain’t talk about the heat but it get hey look it get different check it out though hey I’m far enough for the summer league I believe though I was hey am I wrong know I was jaded the other night bro about I really want to get that Championship man I want to Keon and hit that shot I was kind of lightweight mad but I myself you’re not you’re not wrong you’re not wrong hey TC though leave him here go I’m G let you finish TC but I got something I want to ask you go ahead I’m G let you finish though n n Go ahead yeah all right well what’s this I’m hearing you you out on the ners oh yeah TC talk about that that’s what you talking about that’s what’s going on around here TC tell them TC tell them how you feel n look check it out bro listen I’m just not feeling the whole situation what’s going Kenny you know how I really feel though you know I’m a die hard you know I don’t like you know I don’t like Kyle bro and I’m starting to I really like John you get me and I don’t like situation is happening what situation that’s a whole another conversation you know we what situation the whole brand IU situ and you know how I feel about land situation do you know we ain’t gota go there Kenny hey let me let me ask you this TC did you see did you see uh auk’s interview on the pivot on a pivot with with uh who with Ryan Clark yeah I kind of did when he was talking about that how you feel about that he feel like he is a tough person to negotiate with that’s what I that’s what I kind of came away with not a bad person or nothing like that but this is this is it’s a tough negotiation dealing with a guy like that that’s that’s what I came came away saying hold on Jesse on the flip side bro listen you gota you you gotta think about he keeping Shanahan’s butt to the fire bro he not he didn’t really forget about how Shannon handled that that land situation and how they be playing with people’s money man how they be want to send people they playing with everybody gets paid I know but they was playing with everybody and I didn’t iuk in a different position can he he didn’t forget about that dog house he didn’t forget about none of that dog all that came to fruition you got to think about the human being and people’s feeling at the type of situation like no man y’all give me 30 bro I’m not giving No Deal dog I don’t forget about how y’all treated me I forget about how y’all was treating people in the organization I’m not listen I’m not condoning it with Hau but I’m with him on that type and I’m just like BR I’m out bro until we listen when the season start it’ll probably be different if we gonna win something we gonna win something bro but I’m just not super Niner giddy giddy you get me all right TC all right man all right the TC had been uh been hyped about the Niners the last three years any when does the T lance thing we out by the way like like which player like which is Brock Prett like hey like I know I got the job but the way you guys did Trey was kind of dirty they got a top five quarterback Tre Lance does anybody think and I’m a big believer in tre Lance does anybody think Tre Lance would have been a top five quarterback right now in the league I don’t think so no there there are certain things that I see from Brock party that are instinctual that Trey just didn’t have when I saw him and I I I still think Trey Lance it’s getting a little late in the game but I still think he’s got a lot of potential I do I haven’t given up on him yet but does you make five starts in the NFL first or five starts in the XFL first I’m gonna say NFL I’m gonna believe in my guy I’m gon say NFL he gonna make five starts in the NFL I’m gonna believe in him is it what the Cowboys well it might be I mean Dak out here dancing did you see that did you see that video I’m not going to lie D I just turned it like I like I saw it and I was going to watch like you know what like I’m already ha up on and and you know what’s unfair about that is you know D’s having a good time that’s why turned I don’t want to like hate on D ain’t gonna hate all it was funny it was a funny video I laughed at least but he just Happ like if I watch and then I gotta quote tweeted and be like what is this guy doing like like and I don’t want to do that all look man he’s just enjoying his family man and somebody pull out the camera and all this stuff definitely should not be the highest paid quarterback in the NFL at any point but yeah Dak live your life he should but like you said that may be retr land starters I don’t know I don’t know I I we talked about that and and it’s not necessarily football time just yet we’re probably a week or two away but we talked about it a little bit last week I don’t know what the Cowboys are gonna do with that situation with those three guys that are expect well I think I have an idea I don’t think Dak is gonna be there you think Jerry won’t pay him or whoever runs that team I don’t think he will yeah is there is there a way they can keep all three I don’t I don’t see CU C is gonna be a top three paid player at his position I’m assuming D will be the top paid player at his position and then Micah’s just gonna Mah gonna be top Micah will get the most guaranteed money of a non-quarterback ever I’m sure it’ll be one of those typ whatever Nick yeah’s he’s gonna get another five million more than Nick you’re not paying a top 10 whatever it’s like the ninth best at his position though you’re paying top three all at least I I don’t know how that’s possible the ners the ners are kind of about to face that and a little bit more so and they’re they’re going to keep everybody so I guess you could but they’re going to be there guys that are going to be cut right like for the Cowboys because when when Brock is up for money he’s going to make top five money um BOS is going to be making top five money money and one of the receivers auk or Debo I don’t think Debo would be making top five money if they kept him but um auk might be making top five money so we got to do something about the money the quarterbacks are making too well you see what’s going on in the NBA what do you mean did you see that were you were you out of the the did you see that tweet about Jaylen Brunson yeah that’s that’s crazy money Jaylen what are you doing no well he I don’t did you see what he’s in line make what do you mean I saw I saw what he gave up so he gave up that and and wge had the Tweet where he said by doing this there’s the ability let me let me get the the official I wanna I want to get the official by by going about it that way he gave up 113 million but with him doing that let me see where’s it at a now I can’t find W thing but anyway with him doing that he he and lines him up to recoup the money by signing an extension in 2028 that would give him like a 4year $328 million deal BR that’s four whole years from now or a fiveyear $4 like10 million deal that’s four like I I I get it but that’s four years from now like it’s the Nicks like like come on it’s the knck like everything’s going to work out that’s like that’s just four years like that’s just that’s a risk that’s a risk I get it I get I get the logic but that’s there’s a lot that can happen Jaylen Jaylen Brunson so here here’s if Becky Hammond was right we find would would Jaylen Brunson can’t be your 1A or whatever Becky hmond did say that what if we find that out two years from now I was like yeah Becky was right that one time on ESPN we should all say sorry so so here here’s the deal about this he he did give up I think in total was $13 million but $156 mlion no no no no the team will the potential with the potential to to sign $400 million extension yeah that isn’t like like that’s hypothetically great but it doesn’t exist 113 million does I think if he if he held out I think that would be off the table like what do you mean like I I think if he like would have waited maybe would that still be on I don’t know we’ll see I know for me for me for me it’s always take the most you can get because the team is never going to do you a favor it’s ain’t the NFL NBA does favors all I don’t think so James Harden just got $35 million a year yeah but that’s just what the market is at this point like if James Harden like if it was up to James Harden he would have got 50 like everyone else like nobody million that’s what I’m saying James Harden honestly at this point got what he deserved that’s my point though nobody’s giv him $30 million a year the Clippers gave him $30 million a year ah no I’m still no I I I’m not helping out the team we we’ll see I’m we GNA talk about this Kenny again we GNA talk about this with my main man Sacramento Legend Boogie buzzins as I was introduced to him back in the day Eddie Gonzalez of the etas he’s going to join us when we come back on DLo and KC on ESPN 1320 let me pull my dog in here man Eddie what up dog what’s up with you man I can’t call it man I can’t call it I appreciate you pulling up on on a Friday what you got going on on a Friday evening in New York City man oh man uh the homeboy in town so I think I’m actually [Laughter] yo the wife is in sack so I gotta take advantage believe it New York City in the middle of the summer on a Friday night is going crazy hey that humidity ain’t no joke but besides that can’t beat it I just came back from uh I just came back from from the DMV this past weekend and it was it hot oh yeah H it was like 95 or something like that over there so what you got going you see what they doing over here right now we in the midst of like wife wifey in sack he told me 112 today I said whoa what you mean so I se I seen you got little man yo baseball dad life is no joke bro I don’t know you get that you get that 8 AM first pitch bro we had a couple uh I think it was 88 a.m so theyve I don’t want to say for whatever reason but unlike basketball where it’s like yo we got a 8:00 a.m. tip be there at 7:30 you know stretch put your stuff on warm up for 15 minutes baseball is 800 am first pitch we need you there at like 6:50 so we can warm up for an hour what are we doing warming up for an hour DG and it’s like uh you’re outside all day so it’s either early or it’s late and it’s mad hot like yeah I’m so happy that we did basketball I don’t think we could have survived baseball like B baseball tough in that aspect baseball tough and and we we we did one of the things um one of the you know the little tournaments who was in Reno for Memorial Day and that’s one of them things like with who we just stay aside watch hoop all day it don’t really matter what it is outside like we they got these 60 Court venues and we chilling it’s all we beating the heat yeah like uh my girl used to always say like uh uh she she couldn’t she couldn’t be a baseball mom because then you’re also watching everybody else’s kid like like if your kid isn’t hitting you’re watching you know there’s gotta be dedication there so it’s like damn like I never thought about it like that when I was playing but that’s true and uh you know basketball it moves fast it’s over quick like I mean than the troops obviously I love I love I love hoop or whatever my son he he plays or whatever the case may be but I I really enjoy watching and play base all the things that we talk about too like even with all that I enjoy it I’ll be locked locked into the whole team like I’ll be talking to all the little players and stuff I’m talking [ __ ] but I know how the weekends are and like it with your little mans there’s nothing like like my son just finished basketball he just graduated and there’s never been more enjoyable Sports in my whole life than that even when I played anything you know I mean and I’m I’m one I’m one of them dads like not really like I don’t I’m not like a big Yeller like I’ll support or whatever but I’m not like a big Yeller or yelling at the UMP or ref or anything like that but I’m I’m like I’m talking to the players like to my play time like yo yo yo hey hey uh he a you know the Vibes man hey come over here dog I’m telling you I’m talking to the players coach probably like Get Away y I was I was bad bad to maybe like 12 you and I just you know what happens crazy I was sick one weekend so I saw everybody else yelling and I’m like damn we really crazy out here and I stopped like I cold turkey was like look I’m going just watch the game I’m still supporting if you need then come ask me he he’ll come like during the game yo do you see like what am I doing but like I I couldn’t do it after that like yeah because I was bad my dad is bad my dad gets kicked out of gyms and all kind of [ __ ] my dad is my dad is a nut so uh but I tried like bro it’s hard it’s hard s on your hands yeah man I’m I would say I’m not like over the top but I am courts side something happens I’m standing up CL I’m like Braun is at the game definitely I definitely still supportive uh the the kids out here they figured out who I was and some of the parents did too so that turned into like everybody was friendly with me after that so now all the kids they dapping me up when they warm up and [ __ ] and like I’m I’m not trying to be a part of their show though so I’m trying to let them but you can’t help but get into it you know what I mean so I love that [ __ ] the funny it’s funny you say that because the same thing happened with my son’s baseball team they they I don’t be going telling people like this is what I do but yeah listen to the radio or whatever and some of the parents know whatever it gets around this what I do so like the kids kitty what’s up kitty what’s up big dog like what’s up man so yeah bro bro was gonna come to a game uh but like we the game legit got canceled like I didn’t tell nobody but he had a quick road trip was like yo I’m I’m a swing by with with time the game and then our [ __ ] got canceled for some whole it it was too cold I think it was but uh oh here we go we we about to be back on ESPN 1320 DLo and KC Daman is still on a resort island somewhere he told me to leave him alone and he’s not talking to any of us right now because he’s just too damn Rich that’s what he said that’s what he told me it said it in the text I got the text right here he said I’m too rich to have a conversation with you guys so uh it’s Casey and friends for one more day and I got I got my my guy with me Sacramento native Sacramento Legend from the etas and maybe I sometimes I say like I’m a oneman wolf pack I think we locked in right here because I think we might be the only two guys that still show love and appreciation for Drake and we enjoy boss M Doo’s music I think we might be the only two that brother man I don’t look Game Boy if you partake in the outside life here and there or even just have a few adult beverages that boss man DLo he gonna get you right hey man he going crazy right now one of the other things that uh I realized when I was I was I was out I was at a wedding and stuff like that and I I knew the the the gravity of um what she’s doing right now but man the ladies the ladies love glorilla right now they loving glow right now they some glorilla come on they turn up hey look you know how they talk about oh what they playing outside all of that is moot it’s boss man it’s glow it’s sexy red is Drake oh they going crazy for sexy don’t don’t lie that’s what’s going on out there it’s fine different music for different places it’s cool that’s it that’s all is Eddie Gonzalez or the etet is rocking with me here on DLo and KY man and uh you know there’s there’s a bunch of different things uh that I want to talk to you about man just it’s just me and you so we we can talk a little boxing before you get out of here you know that we got talk a little bo before you get out of here but I gotta start with hope I gotta start with the hometown man and I know you you talk uh to to all NBA circles man and I just want to get your thoughts on Demar de R rozan coming to the Kings and then after that like what are the streets saying about Demar de R rozan coming to the Kings yo first of all I love that move for them shout out to Damian for being right there breaking the news I see why he’s on vacation he put his he put his one little vacation yeah yeah uh but no I love that move for them I think uh some of the criticism of dear is oh he doesn’t shootting up threes but uh you got floor spacers on this team you’ll be fine like you you you need some of those buckets uh when you look at this team last year their issue wasn’t shooting more threes you know what I mean um they needed a secondary uh Creator and they had that now they have a dude who’s a pure buget he he won what was he second clutch Player of the Year behind our guy Fox and then second again this year so you got your late game covered um you got him for half the price of Paul George which is great you got him at Great market rate kept them away from your your rival down south I love to pick up I think if you talk around the league whether it’s media whether it’s players it’s a good fit for them they get another vet in that locker room and they just taking another step um so I’m I’m happy for them I’m happy that they won that out I think when I look at the marketplace doesn’t look like Lor’s going anywhere I know it’s really loud but it doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere as of right now Ingram who knows and and maybe I would have wanted Ingram more depending on the price but this is a great off season for the Kings you keep your guy Malik Mon and then you get a guy who adds to what you guys are doing it with Demar de rozan that’s an underrated aspect that that you just mentioned is you know the teams that were that were trying to potentially get them as well the Clippers and the and the Lakers even though I don’t know if that’s media driven or not but the Clippers and the Lakers um potentially getting Demar de rozen you were able not only to get them for your team but keep them keep him away from them and and they they both of those teams they needed somebody like dear bad like Lakers and the Clippers I’m not gonna jump out the window and say they not top 10 especially the Lakers because you got LeBron and AD but they I don’t know I think I think those are two playing teams look this is a conference what 10 to six was one game last year two games uh you got the Grizzlies coming back with you know they their IDE be healthy and and they’re getting their Mega star back it’s tight up top in the conference like this is every one of those moves matters every one of those moves so for people to say something like oh the Clippers had a great off season they did but they also lost their second best player that’s incremental but and it matters you know they did have great guys but all of that stuff matters in a conference where you’re deciding five leads by one game and by tie Breakers and then and then if you’re not on the top side of that you have to play an extra game or two to keep going and you you know as a Kings fan and out there in sack a late season injury whatever may have you the playing game could go left or right it’s too much there so yes keep not only add to to your to your coffers but keep out of theirs it’s it’s a win-win for me like I don’t there’s no downside to that they got him at a great price it’s a position of need he fits with what they’re doing let’s cook up yes sir one of the one of the things that everybody’s talking about as well with this is and I don’t want to I don’t want to sound like too W as me because I’ve heard a lot of the same things that you have like people are like it’s a good move like they they I’ll tell you how high I am on it in just a little bit I don’t know if they’re as high as I am on it but they’re like no it’s a good move like it’s a good look it improves D so I don’t want to make it like people are just like like just hating on it because it’s the Kings NE there are some people who do that but it hasn’t been the majority right um but one of the things they do say and people are worried about is all right well what do this do defensively like they didn’t improve on the defensive end and all this other stuff and you know Eddie I don’t I don’t want to be like defense don’t matter because it does matter or whatever the case may be but I’m I’m I lean more towards I want guys that can get you buckets and in a group of guys and a team of guys that can get you buckets and we’ll figure out the defense later as opposed to let’s get a bunch of defensive guys and we’ll figure out the offense later like I don’t think that works at all you know what I’m saying so I I just say number one I don’t think it the Kings defense was that bad last year after you kind of looked at some stuff they improved as the season went on and also I’ll get Demar in here get another bucket getter another shot Creator which is kind of what they were really missing once Malik went down now you know if any injury happens you’re not you know just just kind of in in a in a a bad spot with no shot creators you add in depth there and you get a guy like Demar de R Roan I’ll take my chances with that and figure out the defense later what you think about the people who just like kind of say like oh I didn’t address defense so they’re still in the same spot well I mean you look at last year you look at a team like the Mavericks who everybody said can’t play defense and they have supposed liabilities and Kyrie and Luca but when a team locks in and finds chemistry in the playoffs you play tough enough defense if your offense is great enough your defense can be enough you know it doesn’t you don’t have to lead with defense and in this era of basketball you’re pretty much not going to lead with defense it just is what it is so dear’s a vet I think his defensive issues are super overstated it’s not like he’s going to guard the number one option every night you’re asking him to hustle on the back end and close out you know what I mean play Team defense you got Keegan Murray there to throw on everybody you want and that’s kind of the point of him Daren Fox is no slots on defense he he comes with energy uh you know he’s good for a steel or two and he’s going to try hard on defense I think look for them it will always be about domas in the middle and like you said there was incremental improvements last year you you you made that commitment to Mike Brown that’s his specialty you gotta trust that he’ll figure that out and you look at the teams that went to the finals last year you got the Mavericks and they put all those pieces together in the middle of the season and so if you’re if you’re the Kings you sit there and say look we’re adding here we have flexibility going forward who knows what’s out there in January and February and maybe you do get that defensive Wing that you need and you feel like you need and maybe you do get that backup center this is exactly what the mavick did so again we’re talking about a conference that’s separated by a game or two and these playoff series they go deep and it gets tough and you got to make those buckets late and who better to do that for you than this Duo that you gonna have in your back court now that’s facts man you’re listening to ESPN 1320 kfm West Sacramento in Odyssey station D and Casey brought to you by skot River Casino lucky enough to be joined by my guy man Sacramento native Eddie Gonzalez of the etceteras man he he everywhere you ain’t never there right now man he It’s gotta be making moves he you know you know Travis Scotts were on the hardwood last night you know I saw that I ain’t tripping you know what I’m saying I see I see how he working man I saw the Travis Scotts on the hardwood you know what I’m saying I see I see how he gets down man for for for only like the the second biggest draw in the WNBA right now it wasn’t like they was playing the mystics you know saying it was it was Ang on the hard I see how it is shout out to my peoples at the W man they they take care of your boy man I’ll say that no doubt no doubt but uh we we we talking about Demar D Rose and the Kings and the Western Conference and all this other stuff man and you know I was talking earlier where I I’ve been standing on business all week with this I look at this King this king’s team as is and maybe I’m maybe I’m just maybe I’m I don’t think I’m being no type of Homer maybe I’m being a little too aggressive with it but I I believe I’m standing on business I believe this I think the floor for this team as is 52 wins 52 wins with dear de rozan and I say that because two years ago everything went well with health and everything else like that they won 48 they took the last three games off because they were kind of locked into their spot they could have been 50 at that point they started off own for maybe they 50 51 at that point or whatever the case may be uh last year they dealt with some injuries whatever the case may be nothing debilitating but you know monk was out the final month of the season um there was some injuries they still got the 46 I think they’ve improved at that Harrison Barn spot by getting Demar de R roen um Malik Monk Is back another year at Keegan Murray I I think I think everybody’s locked in I think 52 52 is the floor I think they could probably get his high as 55 as is right now so when when you talk about like win total you looking at the rest of the league too right so you’re looking at the Clippers who you feel like got to touch worse and you have no clue with Kawai you have no clue what that is and if they lose I think I think we got a clue and I hate to say that because I like Kawai but we we got a clue we know what’s gonna happen it’s tough because he played what 70 games this year he tried and he and he tried he gave it a goal and he just says at the Team USA camp like look I I I do what I can and and sometimes my body can’t you know um so you look at that team a team may be on the slide you look at the Lakers as a team may be on the slide they’ve added almost nothing this off season they added conect who I think can’t help but he’s a rookie right and he’s goingon to be you know Off the Bench role and he’s going to be limited as it is they barely play Max Christie as it is and they have a new rookie coach and I love JJ that’s my guy we have no clue what that will be even if we trust him to the utmost so that’s a team that is is is looking at way the Warriors you know they lost their second lead score that’s a team that’s they’ve struck out on every move they’ve tried this summer and and it’s like Steph we we we feel like Steph can give us 50 every year no matter what he didn’t give us 50 last year so that’s another team that’s on the slot so these are wins that are piling up right these are wins we can get now maybe you feel like the Rockets will be better singon will improve but they struck out on their big moves this off season too so all that stuff starts to stack up and it does start to look like they’re GNA add some wins this year I could see them in the 50 range again what was the onec last year 58 so I this is a this is a tight conference and each one of those wins going to matter so you can’t start 0 and four that matters in in April you know what I mean um I could see that you gotta pray for health but that’s a team that’s gonna win a lot of regular season games team that’s gonna win a lot of close games that’s a team is gonna be competitive every night and that’s one of those regular season things too I look at the Thunder last year like the Thunder were just the team they just seem to care more on that night in than night out they’re a young upstart team and they got a leader who wants to win games you know know and so sometimes that also is part of it too and I think we’re going to see that from some of the older teams that are just not as pressed and then the Eastern Conference is what it is and you got to beat up on them over there and they should so I can see it in that range 50 52 54 it’s just going to be a tough conference out there that’s that’s all that top six out there is gonna be tough but ideally you’re part of it so so the the the thing about it and I was thinking about this today as well is the West the West is tough and it’s like Lighty years as a whole better than the Eastern Conference but one of the things that I’ve heard a lot as well that I agree with is I like the Kings just getting after it and going for it seeing what you can do and and one of the reasons why I say that is while the while the West is tough and you’ve got your OKC’s your Minnesota’s um Dallas now and all this other Phoenix possibly be in there as well Memphis might be back you don’t have no Boston you don’t I don’t even know I don’t even know if you have a Knicks in the Western Conference and I mean what I mean by that is with the right matchup all these teams are kind of getable right like you look at how the playoffs played out yep I don’t know if um like okay like Denver how how do we do this Denver probably beats Dallas but they probably can’t beat Minnesota yeah OKC probably loses to Minnesota but they can’t get P you know I mean it’s it’s Rock Pap over there is tough and like you know it’s it’s hard to remember now we’re two months out but Denver went to game seven with Min they were up three2 you know I mean if they win at six they BL blown out if they win six or seven at home they probably beat Dallas right and then you have a whole different conference and you’re looking at Dallas different like what does Dallas have and they lost a starter and they added a old Klay Thompson and is it the same but it’s funny what winning does you go to June and yeah they they they kind of got wiped out against Boston but now it’s no longer oh we lost drick Jones Jr it’s like oh we added clay you know we and we’re this and we’re that um I think they had a good off season I don’t know what Clay is for that team he’s spacing for sure but I don’t know that he’s the utility guy on defense that they need and and again their margins were super close last year they they played a tough series with the Clippers without Kawai and then played a tough series with the Thunder as well and and you know that goes left or right either way uh Kyrie had a tough playoffs after the first round Luca had his struggles here and there obviously stepped up when they needed to but he had struggles here and there as well and so all the margins are super thin and that also works like you said for the Kings incremental improvements mean they hop right in that race and you get the right matchup you get a matchup that’s a little soft in the interior like okay see and who knows what domas does against them and yes they added hartenstein but they now they have to play hartenstein and that makes that gives you somebody doas and guard and right on and on so like it’s gonna be it’s gonna be a season of match ups for sure and you want to get that home court too yeah absolutely there was there were people here in Sacramento I was I was one of them I wasn’t gonna say like oh they’re going to beat them but there were a lot of people in Sacramento who were like let’s just get there because I think if we can get there we can get OKC like they they believed that at the time whether it was true or not they believe like I think we can get them like they would be like if we had to to play Denver that’d be tough or if we had that’d be tough but OKC’s the one and we could get that AC let’s get there we could get him so like it’s it’s it’s heavy on matchups it’s heavy on matchups in the Western Conference and we’ll we’ll just see uh how that plays out I got my man Eddie Gonzalez other ex etceteras uh with me here on D KC and I got about I got about seven minutes we gonna break the rules we gonna break the rules they don’t like the they don’t like him and when you talk about boxing but how can I gz on here not talk a little boxing you know while he’s on here where do I start let’s see Shakur Stevenson oh man to him he’s a unbelievable skilled Fighter um unbelievable defensively skilled fighter and he’s got offensive skills as well like it’s it’s not just all defense but I he go we talking about we talking about the the the Crim Dela Crim in the in 130 to 135 to me is tank Davis I don’t think I think the only person that because I bring up Shakur because people are like no Shakur might get him Shakur not beating tank we we talked about it on Twitter he he tank will he will eat those punches to get his punches off and nobody stands up to his punches right now that’s what that’s what history has shown us so far nobody stands up to a tank Davis punch the only person that I would I think has the the the best shot and I don’t even like this dude is too you know I don’t like buto I think he might have the power to get tank to to to back up off of him he’s naturally a bigger guy than tank so I think that’s the only one I don’t think hany can I don’t think Shakur can I don’t think LMA can I don’t think I don’t think none of them dudes mess with tank I think uh I want to talk about Shakur a little bit but as far as tank goes um it’s funny because Frank Martin fought a great six rounds did he did had the right idea and you know I think he was on the back foot a little bit too much but you kind of got to versus tank um I’m with you I think T’s the guy but he’s bigger and he’s already talking welterweight and we’ll probably never see tank at 147 there’s just a size difference but sakur like he’s he’s never gonna be active enough to win that fight you know he was never going to keep tank off him to win that fight So eventually he’s going to get hit or he’s just going to be backing up and it’s going to he’s going to lose like that but Shakur man I don’t like when people do this oh well Floyd was defensive and all this stuff that’s a disrespect to Floyd like that’s disrespect to Pretty Boy Floyd before he broke his hands who like look he wasn’t a thumper he wasn’t Chico corales like you know rest in peace sack Legend but he was he could hit you hard he could get you off him he he wasn’t getting in firefights either but he was stopping guys look doing that Legend what did he do to Chico yeah so it’s like how many time I think he knocked Chico carra down again just now so look it’s you’re disregarding all of that part of it too and then even the older money Floyd who was a character and was fighting a little more conservative he was still thumping guys that were bigger than him and he was coming forward and he was active and on top of that he’s probably the most abrasive personality we’ve seen in the sport since Muhammad Ali dare I say that far back so Shakur is neither one of those don’t compare him to Floyd just because he’s defensive and fights on the back foot sometimes no he doesn’t hit hard he he doesn’t make for exciting fights yes he sells out the arena of N and all due respect to him for that for having the hometown crowd and yes he did great ESPN numbers but Floyd was doing a million pay-per-view buys against whoever they brought we don’t we don’t do that we don’t compare nobody to that like leave that alone it’s night and day it’s absolutely night and day and and once again I like Shakur as a fighter his personality and stuff I’m not I’m not crazy about his personality or nothing like that but he’s doing himself no favors and and I respect the talent like I’m not saying what he doing is not skilled but this is the business of prize fighting this is the prize fighting so we are making money for fighting yes and yes you can be a great tactician you can be Geo Rondo and you can be an Olympian you can be all that but that doesn’t mean we showing up to pay for pay-per-views nor should you be at the bargaining table telling the biggest fighter in the world I need more yeah stop so I could confirm he turned down that tank dude I mean that that that that that uh Devon Haney deal I’ve heard it from people who were at the table that’s on him like if he wanted to be the guy take the short money there beat Devin then make him come to New Jersey and beat him again and then you’re the man well look and anybody listen and do a little quick research do a little go somebody was talking to Devon Haney so you know whatever somebody was talking to Devon Haney it’s out there on YouTube it’s out you know so check the sources if you want to it’s right there for you um real quick I got a I got a it’s a take okay my main man J boots in his fights uh on Saturday I think I’ve said this for a while now I think in I’ll give it five years I said five years like a year and a half ago but I’ll still say five years he gonna be top five pound-for-pound maybe number one I think I think boots he’s as talented as any boxer in the world right now right now today boots is about to have to do with bud did and just beat the hell out of everybody and make you watch he’s got to find a he’s got to find a natural foe too which is what got butd over the hump and which is why we haven’t seen he’s trying to make it Terence yeah but there’s no natur at another spot I don’t blame Terence he’s at another spot in his career where he don’t have to he’s almost like Floyd when they they would be like Floyd why don’t you fight Keith Thurman or what bro I’m I’m almost I don’t blame butd at all like you know he he obviously wanted twin and that’s probably not g to happen but look he he he thugged it out in the Tren for a long time and then kept telling everybody I’m the best I’m the best on the best and finally got there so I don’t blame him but boots is going to have to find that natural F which is kind of like what tank did and and then got that money with Ryan and then went from there um the problem is he’s just not there yet we don’t know who that fighter is and [ __ ] there’s a couple guys who it could be but it’s not there yet but yeah I’m with you he’s he’s one of my favorites to watch I’ll be locked in this weekend I’m excited to see that dude hey hey we need we need we need we need to start a boxing po room man they got a boxing podcast man get me on there man we need to make that happen man come on now we just might have to man look let’s get on the phone hey let’s do this man let’s do this Eddie Gonzalez the cedus hey sack is going up bro you need to get out here this this it’s about to be on fire at the golden one Center this year bro I’m I’m coming to a game for sure this a couple games I might be out there for an event at the fair at the end of the month maybe waiting to find out uh but if not I’ll be out there soon and man we we owe each other round or two sir absolutely absolutely my dog I appreciate you pulling up on me today dog yes sir you already know hit me up man and tell D Man Damian I know you out there being a mega star Insider but come back to work man waiting on you that’s facts man that’s facts man Eddie Gonzalez the eted dowlo and KC I got my main man Frank red the legend pulling up on me when we get back on ESPN 1320 we good we good man I appreciate you Big Dog hey I don’t know man for real I just thought about that on the Fly Man little little boxing something man because I know you know your stuff you know we be talking look look I was going to text you and talk to you about this too I might be making the move to complex like as soon as next week they need a new head of sports okay and if I do that like I’ll be free to do all kind of [ __ ] so let’s definitely talk hell yeah come let me know if you comeing to town too because I think what you talking about the fair for the fair I think we might be doing some stuff at 1025 for that so okay yeah the uh my homeboy doing like a cannabis thing but wants to have like a live conversation uh so we trying to figure it out it’s the last day the 29th don’t quote me but the last day um but I’m waiting for them to confirm I told him just fly me out I’ll do it uh so they do that a free trip home but uh I’m waiting to confirm so and that’s right around the corner so I hope I here soon hell yeah but yo the boxing the boxing joint like we could do that for sure like we can make that happen hell yeah let’s talk man let’s I’m hit you I’m hit your line all right for sure all right all right boy hey I saw I saw Dr Davis saying that uh saying that that that Crawford with starch boots don’t do that to boots don’t do don’t do that don’t do that Terence Crawford might win he might win relatively easily he might but I don’t I don’t know for sure don’t do that uh oh there go my guy hold on man there go my guy oh hold on man there he is what’s up there he is the legend what’s up man we in the middle of a commercial break right now so it’s all good I just wanted to Vibe it out for a minute you know what I’m saying yes sir Frank you watch you watch Boxing don’t you yeah I mean I mean like the biggest boxes I mean like I get a lot of my commentary actually from you listening to your comments and stuff you know um I hate to see guys get beat up and don’t get any money in the end so it’s tough for me but that is true but but you know the guys who at the top that that really know what they doing oh and and the females definitely yck they Shi off they they definitely getting shipped off the UFC fighters they don’t they don’t make no money that’s and it’s and and it’s tough man no pinching no 401K nothing right yeah good luck with that yeah that’s tough man how you been man everything good with you everything is great man I’m uh um having a lot of fun I’m putting a lot of music out man okay you know put putting a lot of music out um um you know working chilling um since since I talked to you I’ve done uh I think my next podcast my 95th oh man come on man we definitely I I I I saw I got um one of the the links that you sent out but man plug it when we’re on here send out another link or whatever the case may be man so people can check it out no yeah man so um you know I mean the spelling a little off a lot of cats when they you know they’re like how do you spell this and I’m like Yo dude it ain’t that hard man but uh but having a good time man um feeling healthy working out and that’s good living life how about you I’m great man I’m blessed man I got uh got work and I got my my my babies man my my my son he 11 and then my little my little one-year-old daughter man so they you know they keep me active man they keep I love it I I love it man what about you just son interested in extracurricular activities or was he yeah he’s he’s a big baseball and basketball player right now oh very good just got done with baseball season about two weeks ago and that that took up a lot of time we was doing that from February to like I said two weeks ago so that right now I’m like me and my wife we’re just like let’s not do nothing for two weeks you know what I mean because we’ve been ripping and running with that for for months so we chilling but now we about to get back out of that now it’s time to see there’s there’s camps that he’s got to do basketball camps baseball camps stuff like that so I dig it into it now you have time to work with him or do you send them to a camp or a little bit of both or what’s up little bit of both a little bit of both oh hold on we coming back for all right d and KC ESPN 1320 man we’ve got a treat for y’all right now not the first time he’s been on but it’s always a pleasure when look I’m just I’m calling it how I see it I’m calling it how I see it and how I look at it and I know a lot of other people do as well a Sacramento Legend a Sacramento Legend Frank red from in the dungeon in the building with me on DLo and Casey what’s up Frank how you doing man I’m chilling my brother and I thank you once again man for another opportunity and U just put it out there I love sack um I love you know what I’m a bigger fan I’ve said it before I’m a biggest fan of the sack community and their fans and I am on the team I support the team but I love the fans you know I mean I mean when somebody makes you they made me you know what I’m saying so thank you man for this opportunity I appreciate it and from AF far just just watching you and DLo do your thing um on the regular I’m so proud of you and uh just continue success thank you man much love much love man and you know the the the sa Community is buzzing right now man we’ve been talking about it all week non-stop you know I’m just been getting everybody’s opinions and um getting their thoughts about the newest Sacramento King dear de roen you know and a lot of people are calling it you you’ve seen uh every a lot of the stuff that’s going on here in Sacramento they’re calling it the biggest free agent signing in the history of the Sacramento Kings franchise you know here in Sacramento and it’s hard to argue you know it’s it’s a short list at the very least you talking vlat um you talking um I guess Malik monk now in hindsight when you signed him but that that’s almost about it man to get a guy that at the he’s averaging 24 points a game he’s one of the top two guards in the league um is he is he in his prime right now no but he’s still like maybe at the tail end of his prime to say hey I believe in what is going on in Sacramento I’m choosing to be a part of that it’s a big deal man that’s a real big deal I love it and and I would say that he’s on par right there with vlah because when vlat came to the king you saw the impact on winning and and you know dear’s coming in and he’s going to make the Kings better but I’m looking at how he impacts Keegan Murray how he impacts dearon Fox um because those guys have additional levels to get to and one of the things that I love about Demar is you know his history you know where he came from you know his his come up this guy has been successful in every stop that he’s been in and he’s been paid he had to transition his game when he went to San Antonio to fit into a system and he was Stellar there he was an he was an exemplary vet went to Chicago got it done there and you know what he’s a major step up for the Kings man he’s gonna I Kings will be in the top five in scoring next year one of the things that I I can I ask everybody that comes on this week and and just how I’m feeling about the situation is I think the addition of Demar D rozan alone is something that elevates this team to being a 50 to 52 win team worst case scenario worst case I I I just I’m much like you Frank I’m a Believer in the basketball player um that Demar de rozan is the professional that Demar D rozan is the man I talked a lot this week about the discipline that I’ve seen from him and the way that he speaks and how he speaks about being a professional and like you said that rubbing off on Keegan Murray on dearon Fox not that they necessarily need it but there’s something that they could probably learn from a guy like de uh Demar D rozan and I just think just as a whole it’s gonna Elevate this team this roster this franchise and I’m looking at a team that like I said worst case scenario 50- 52 wins I totally agree with you I mean the kings are one of the top four teams in the west five at the latest and um you know they got talent I mean they got a nice roster and a lot of times people put the onus on the coach to elevate the team Mike Brown has to be that guy and this is not a hot tape but I think they need to do well he might be on the hot seat because this is a really really talented team he just signed Mike yeah I mean you know what I mean in the NBA they give you a bunch of money so they don’t feel bad when they fire you you know seen that happen before we you know what I mean so hope it don’t happen I’m a Mike Brown guy but again having Demar lessens Mike’s low he’s doing his job but players listen to players and what’s really important is that the Kings do well in a playoff environment and I think that’s part of why Monty McNair wanted him yeah you gonna get the 20 plus a game but you’re getting the lead leadership and you’re getting the OG experience that these young guys need man yeah yeah no and and and I like what you say there though you got a guy in Demar D rozan that you know it’s it’s one less thing for Mike Brown to worry about like if he has to make a tough decision or if um you know that somebody’s not a fan that night of the substitution patterns as of as opposed to Mike Brown having to deal with talking to that guy or whatever the case may be you got a guy like Demar de rozan that can put his arm around somebody’s shoulder and be like look this is what coach is thinking or even if you don’t agree with it right now this is the way we should handle it this way we need to go about about it it’s one less thing like you said for for Mike Brown and that coaching staff to deal with because you got a professional like Demar de rozan right there in the locker room as it is absolutely and you know I mean we are fans of basketball but we’re adults um we have a eyelid behind the scenes and we understand it I mean yes fun but this is a job and you got to show up every day and that mentality would not only manifest itself while you’re playing basketball but after your basketball career career is over those those characteristics will help you down the road and you know Demar has been exemplary man I I can’t wait to see what he does after basketball because he has a lot of fans around the NBA and U I love that I me that’s why I got like KY Lowry gets signed as a 38 year old he got a lot of money but that’s not what it’s about he still wants to play coaches trust him coaches trust the M Deber coaches trust dear de rozan as well it’s funny you say that man I was listening to Austin Rivers uh speak and he he was kind of he was speaking like in the context of Harrison Barnes and uh toas Harris was the guy they were talking about and he was just like you know I think about all the time in my career what would I have done better and he says just the little things that I could have done that could have prolonged my career I could have made more money because to the the things that you just spoke about people can people would be able to trust me right to not that they didn’t trust him but he was talking about it like Harrison and Tobias and how they keep getting contracts it’s because people are like they I know what Harrison’s bringing to the table I can trust that I could rely on that and he says like the little things he was like if if we got practice and my time to shoot is at 10 o’clock don’t get there at 9:45 get there at 9:15 you know what I’m saying like do little things like that can end up costing you or making you 50 M50 more million dollar in your career you know what I mean it has nothing to do with your points rebounds and assist in the game this little stuff like that and a guy like Demar he he just exemplifies that like he I’m so impressed with him Frank about just his his mindset the way he approaches being a professional I’m just I’ve really studied that the last week or so and I’m I’m so impressed by that from him well you you know I’m A hip-hop head man so I know the marriage and the relationship between rappers and basketball players and you know I don’t know dear personally but I know his affiliations and you know he had to come up you know and I mean to come up and evolve into the professional that he is that has distinguished himself in an exemplary fashion you know even for somebody who’s not playing basketball for myself as a fan um it’s impressive um you know when he was in Chicago you know Billy Donovan and I are good friends you know I didn’t talk to Bill about you know Demar but I’m like yo he’s helping my boy you know every night that Chicago played Billy knew he could depend on Demar and I respect it as a ball player myself um the only thing that you have and and you play ball as well you have your credibility and you have your character for your boys for your girls if you’re playing and I’m excited about him bringing that type of Aura and Ambiance to what the Sacramento Kings um will be as a team this year because there’s really no more excuses it’s just that extra stuff of professionalism that you need to get this team over the top and I couldn’t think of a more uh distinguished free agent to bring into the city than dear Frank Red Man in the dungeon podcast um just grateful uh to spend some time with him and talk to him a little bit about what’s going on here in Sacramento we talked about demard de rozan and him coming to the Sacramento Kings my man James ham Kings Insider ESPN 1320 Kings Insider he reported earlier in the week that the Kings may not be done he’s saying uh Monty McNair is still working the phones he’s still trying to get um see what deals are out there to to bring guys in somebody maybe like a Kyle kosma like a cam Johnson I doubt this guy gets moved but even like a Lori marketing do you think do you think the Kings need to make another big move or should it be more of a um smaller move like a smaller role player to go along with d Demar but should should they go for the gust though right now I don’t think so I like what they’re doing right now um uh one of the twins from Kansas what are the twins I can’t oh uh I think it’s Mar yeah yeah yeah Marsh twins maybe one of the maybe one of the Mars twins you know they need Edge players they don’t need guys who want to come in to get the basketball this team is GNA be one of the top five scoring teams in the NBA you know so I like their roster um I’m a big Keon Ellis fan I mean he came up he’s gonna be on the court you know what he’s gonna do as a backup player uh um I would like to see Trey LS play with a little more energy because the is there um don’t worry about Dam mantis I mean he’s giving you 120% every night I like this team and I think that it’s progressional you know you don’t get it done I mean in one year I want to see this team win the playoff series and I think the personal they have now is enough to do that so um I would look at a small move as opposed to like a bigger move because they have the guys there I mean we need um Kagan Keegan Murray to go from 15.2 to 18.5 this year I don’t want to take the ball out of his hands I want to put the ball in his hands so smaller moves as opposed to a larger move would would would fit me more yeah and and that’s kind of where I’m leaning to as much as I like guys like kman and I like cam Johnson and um guys like that one of the things and I’ve talked about it all day today that kind of concerns me about going for a a bigger name like that is a a lot of people talk about who’s going to start and all this other stuff well Frank I always talk about I’m thinking about who’s finishing and if you got a guy like cam Johnson or Kyle kosma who’s used to finishing but you’ve got Fox the Rosen um Keegan Murray sabonis that’s four spots now who’s going to finish between kosma Monk and Keon like that who who knows how that could affect somebody’s you know you know their mindset if kman thought he was coming here to be a starter and he can’t even close out games or you resign Malik Monk and he left money on the table to stay here and now you’re not even allowing him to close out games I would just kind of I’d probably rather stay away from that and like you said get a a a player that understands his role and where he stands on the team like a moris twin or a Dorian finy Smith you know he knows he can come in here he can help you but he knows hey I’m probably not gonna be in that that closing five or something like that and everything stays copesthetic um that’s that’s kind of where I think about when you think about bringing in another big name or something like that I totally agree with you and finy Smith is a good name and um the Kings have shown that they take care of players so like you said you know I mean players come in with a certain mentality sometimes it’s yo I want to start I want to finish but more than anything they want to keep that money train rolling and and if they they are getting towards the end of their contract or they think they can have a higher profile than they start to think individually it’s just that’s the Nate that’s a competitive nature that athletes and basketball players and all players have so um if I thought that the king’s Talent level wasn’t good enough I’ll would be like yo let’s keep looking but they got one of the best starting fives in all the basketball I agree I agree now speaking of that starting five who who’s in that starting five we know the other four the real question seems to be at the shooting guard position and we talked about that a lot this week I I’m not really tripping either way like if it’s monk that’s that’s kind of what I think it should be but if it’s Keon I’m like you I love Keon’s game I love what he brings to the table so if you feel like he should start at the two and keep monk in that six-man role that’s cool let’s rock but I mean if if you were Mike Brown how would you go about that starting situation would it be monk would it be Keon Ellis it would be herder I mean I mean oh okay you’re bringing herder back into the starting role yeah I mean if he’s going to be on the team If he if he if you’re not going to trade him then you got to get something out of him because I watched him a lot last year I watched his entire career and he’s emotional you know some guys don’t live with bad performances he does and he gets in a rut so give him a chance if if if the first five 10 games of the Season he’s still in that rut then you know sit him on the bench but we’ve seen him play well we’ve seen this guy play good basketball he spreads the floor and I would love to see him get another opportunity because I think that there’s something there and he’s a streaky guy and he’s an emotional guy if he’s playing well all of a sudden you have a new piece of the puzzle that you can use and he certainly spread the floor I love monk off the bench because he’s streaky um you know Malik monk I mean by the end of the day yeah he’s going to finish games but he’s a little streaking I love his energy Off the Bench and Keon Ellis is a guy who can play both positions to me so I’m not worried about him starting yeah uh it would be between Monk and Hera I’m not giving up on Hera I think at some point in the season Devin Carter is going to show uh people why the Kings drafted him he’s a he’s a good two-way player but I want to give her a chance man I I don’t want to give up on it that’s a that’s a good point that that you make um with herder like I I don’t I think I think the the the ship is sailed on him potentially starting here or maybe even being on this team at this point but I like you I I like herder I think there’s still a lot of things that he brings to the table that could help um Sacramento I think one of the things that they’re they kind of they don’t need but it would help them is a knockdown shooter somebody to continue to spread the floor but when you talk about starting him I understand your logic there because with a guy that is emotional like Kevin herder and could be emotional you don’t know if all right we’re not starting you but you’re still in the rotation if you might lose him completely you know what I’m saying because of that like at least like you say kind of throw him a bone a little bit and say hey we’re still starting you let’s see what we can get out of you like you said give it about 10 12 games if if it’s just not working out you move on or whatever the case may be I hadn’t thought about that that’s that’s a good idea like I said I I I think I’m still he’s probably still on the third on the pecking order for me between you know starting at the two guard I go monk Keon and then maybe herder but that’s a good point that you made I I didn’t think about it that way I just don’t want to lose a player I mean I mean like you said I mean I would see if he could start I know he had some problems defensively last year but some of that is scheme you know what I’m saying you got to do a better job the Kings the kings were not a big Zone team last year they need to play more Zone I mean the best teams in the league are playing Zone The Warriors played more Zone last year the Miami Heat plays a tough zone why aren’t the Kings playing Zone you can hide some of these guys who are not great Defenders that’s a good point man got Frank Red Man in the dungeon Sacramento Legend Sacramento staple is is in the dungeon that’s weird you said that to be honest with you but I’ll take is man it’s in the chat people want he talk about it we we was all listening uh back then man I I got a question real quick about you know your time and just seeing the Kings and seeing this franchise kind of evolve from you know when you started off in media and and being out of Darko Arena and now you know to the point where they’re at the golden one Center and the fan base and they got light the beam and all this other stuff just seeing and it kind of comes on the heels of you know Gilbert Arena making his comments and all this other stuff seeing the the franchise in the city grow in the time that you kind of started in this in this business just if you can talk about that a little bit you know to give people the Insight of what it used to be and where we’re at right now you know what with when you reached out to me today I started thinking about your show I mean you know you and DLo show and just kind of the the migration of the fan base of the personalities um Sacramento is knocking on that Big City door and you know I mean I interviewed Gilbert before and I’m happy he came on show back in the day but he’s but that’s not gonna that’s not gonna that statement is not going to live well he’s gonna you know he’s going to regret that and and maybe if he thought he was being funny uh maybe to some people it was funny it wasn’t funny to me and and you know the I mean the irony is if the sacramental Kings reached out to him and say hey Gilbert we want to make you you know the the you know the director of personel training you think his tune would change a little bit then yeah yeah yeah right right you know what I’m saying so um hey man Sacramento is a big time City if they get another professional team look out but when you look at the Go I mean listen the golden one arena is one of the best Arenas in the in the NBA it really is so to see people packing that joint I mean to see multiple voices um in the city talking about sports that they have now um I thought it was ridiculous but you know Gilbert’s show is is kind of uh kind of shocky you know they look for shock stuff and and kind off the cuff too they just kind of say whatever and there’s a level of that that I appreciate as opposed to like some shows that are cookie cutter this is how we gotta say gota say things a certain way like exactly he talks about he talks like he talks on air like we might talk off air you know what I’m saying I do appreciate that to a certain degree I completely disagree with him but I I do appreciate that yeah no and I again I watch all the shows I listen to it as much as I can and that’s kind of what his show is um but for the people who might have felt away uh I’m like don’t even trip off that just go out there you know live your best life and enjoy your team you know what I’m saying because I know the city I know the Loyalty that they have and um it’s a big time City man it really is yeah no doubt man Frank red in the dungeon and I I couldn’t have Frank on here and not talk some hip-hop I couldn’t I couldn’t do that we we G we gonna talk a little hip-hop right now and obviously 2024 one of the biggest moments in hip-hop history Kendrick Lamar vers Drake right um the beef that they had uh I Frank I’m I’m the type I I like I they always pick a side pick a side are you I like both of these dudes man I think these guys are unbelievably talented I think there’s a reason why this was such a big deal because these are two of the biggest hip-hop artists the the the genre’s ever seen you know I mean these are when you talk about like uh we use it in a in a sport sense these were two Hall of Famers this this was this was no just kind of random guy going around these were two Titans um that have their own era you know what I’m saying going at it and I thought they both delivered Kendrick delivered a little bit more because he he ended up being the Victor in this situation but I don’t sneeze on how Drake performed in this be I thought Family Matters was fantastic I thought he he bodied it but it wasn’t enough to beat a a savant Mike Kendrick Lamar just your thoughts man on on how that all played out I’m right with you you know uh Kendrick is the highest of the High I mean I he’s among the all-time greats in terms of talents lyricists artists so on and so forth and great and Drake is in another category by himself nobody has ever done what Drake has done in his career and and and and you could like Drake or not like Drake but you can’t Marvel at what he’s done now with regards to this battle like you said neither one of them lost any fans you know I mean I was surprised that Drake was able to produce the way that he did because some of those joints that he put out there were bangers and and quietly I’m sure Kendrick was like whoa I didn’t know he had that in him now you know um not like us that that kind of became a movement I actually like uh um eup is is fire that’s that’s all time I mean that’s my East Coast ear I think I mean just like I mean like a Big Daddy Kane a Coogi rap or something like that just Spitting Fire after every every bar um so um I enjoyed it it seems like the adults in the room made sure that they kept it I was going to say on wax but there’s no more wax if you will but you know what they kept it business no one’s talking about it but the amount of business that has been done from this is extraordinary and um you know it’s bit inspiring also too because we’re in the era in 20 24 well there’s a lot of music out there from Young Artists and older artists so I think these two guys are inspiring each other I want to see what Drake is going to do next I hope hopefully he’s going to come out with something that’s really really good and we can keep and we can keep this going yeah no no for sure I saw I saw a clip from from Vince Staples um I think in the midst of all this going on and he was they talking about you know they they said Vince what you think about you know the beef or whatever everything that’s going on the battle and all this other the stuff he said you don’t you don’t want to know what I think about it and he said they’re like no no Vince tell us tell us what it is he’s like all right I’ll tell you what I think about it I think that he he went into this whole side tribe like Taylor Swift is out there making sure that um she’s getting paid adequately as an artist and know people behind her are getting paid a certain way and they’re not getting taken advantage of by these labels and you know they’re doing that and this and that this and that and we up here celebrating these two guys who are in the same messed up situation uh contractually as everybody else he said I’d probably want not to put a wet blanket on everything but I’d probably want them to focus their energy more on making sure these artists get uh the the right um percentages from their music as opposed to dis tracks he that’s just me and I was like dang I never thought about it that way and they it came to my mind when you said the business that these guys have generated I hope that they’re getting some of the the the fruits of the benefits or the business that they generated because for the the music companies and everything else like that oh this was a big business business situation they don’t care who won they just know that the money was rolling in over the past two three months that’s a great point and and it’s so true you know I put music out why because it’s fun because I love it uh I don’t make any money off my music and most people don’t make any money off their music if if I had a machine behind me in marketing yeah i’ make some money because my music is good um but yeah you’re right um these are two artists who in general terms yeah they’re they’re they’re they’re well paid but what’s behind them that machine is really going to the bank so Ben Staples was dropping some science and hopefully uh I don’t care how old you are hopefully people out there listening to those types of conversations because that’s really what it’s all about there’s a lot of money to be made but who’s making it those are some of the questions that need to be answered absolutely absolutely man Frank man I I appreciate you taking the time man I I I hit you up on the whim this morning man like hey you know you you got time to you know come through man and you you said say less man and and heartbeat and and you know pulled up on me and like I said I’ve been a big fan of you a big fan of yours for a very very long time so the fact that uh you you didn’t hesitate uh to come have this conversation man I appreciate that uh you still doing your thing man where can where can people find uh the podcast and find the things that you got to say still well um I’m on YouTube you can hit me up at inthe dungeon. and a lot of people get tripped up by the spelling but it’s not that hard it’s e n e n t h the word dungon show uh on on YouTube you go right to me we still got the Sunday night thing going we kind of got some Rhythm now um I would say follow me on X bigfrank red let’s try to run these numbers up and um to get some more viewers but uh all my shows are really high content uh fast Pace um I’m always prepared um I’m passionate about what I do and um I love to hear people um bring new ideas and contribute to what I’m doing so um that’s what it is I thank you for the opportunity don’t ever hesitate to reach out and just continue success for you man um I love it I can’t wait um um to see what you do in the future uh you and um D got something great Happening Now contined success and thank you for the opportunity my man my man you we we got to we got a I think it’s been like a year plus since you came on we got to it’s got to it’s got to happen soon or next time and we got to get Frank on the show a little bit sooner and work work the schedules man for sure all right brother all right man take care Frank red in the dungeon uh the sacramental legend man kind enough to join me here on DLo and KC today man and uh yeah that was dope man that that was that was one of those guys and to be honest with you that’s that’s like a guy him and Stephen A Smith that’s a guy that I would look at and say oh I can do radio not because they made it look easy but because the way they did it I didn’t have to conform to a certain radio voice here like no I could speak the way I wanted to I could talk about the things that were interesting to me and there was people that would number one allow me to be on air and number two people who are interested in listening to that and he was one of those guys he was he was absolutely one of those guys listening to in the dungeon show on Sunday evenings he was he was 100% one of those guys that indirectly you know motivated me to to to be in this business and and do some things man so uh always a shout out to Frank red and like I said I try to just pass it on my mom my mom says all the time cherl not Grove says all the time when you’ve been blessed pass it on and I’ve definitely been blessed and that’s what I try to do now is pass on the blessings that I have and whatever platform or help that I can lend somebody you know I want to I want to make sure um that you know I’m doing my part man and and and making sure everything is good um around me and you know when I’m gone so um yeah that’s what I’m trying to do man long week coming to an end Jesse you did your thing man appreciate my main man Jesse you you got any you got any final thoughts after you know all week long talking about should they trade for another person should they start Malik monk um 52 wins all this other stuff where where is Jesse at at the end of the week with the Sacramento Kings right now if it happens I’ll be all right with it but I think I’m out on kosma why you guys were I think you were talking to Eddie or Jake earlier I can’t remember which one it was but it was kind of like just too many cooks in the kitchen type of things like maybe a d Dorian Smith or Cam John like that typee of player helps you out more kind of rounds out the roster more like you already got Demar you got Malik you got Fox like people are going to have the ball the basketball their hand and all that like maybe you just need kind of um you don’t need a kma type right now right and that’s that’s kind of where I I stand as much as I like Kyle kosman as much as they would be dynamic on the offensive end um like if it happen sick like whatever like you win 58 games cool like you’re in buckets but he figure that out you know when he gets here or whatever the case may be but I I would be concerned I would be concerned about chemistry is a strong word because I don’t think people like hate each other like I don’t think it be but just you know people accepting their roles yeah it’s like if kma’s here then who are you keeping on the bench at the end of the game that’s the thing like we did this whole thing for Malik Monk and now you’re gonna put him on the bench yeah and then and then we’re pushing uh we we’re pushing Keon Ellis further and further away from from from playing and we all really like Keon we all uh believe in what he might be able to do so yeah I don’t know Lori Markin and I think would be different though Lor’s the same situation see but I don’t think Lori needs to cook like in order to like get going and all that he can be set up by others and stuff like I feel like that’s different Lori it’s not I won’t say to go after but the crazy thing about Lori though I think he probably fit a little bit more I I think I think Lori is like um we talked about it with the Warriors and stuff like that like if I’m Danny AES why would I be giving up Lori Markin for anything other than your top younger I need kaminga yeah I need kaminga and if I’m talking to the Kings I need ke Murray and if I’m not if we’re not doing that then then whatever I’ll just lose him for nothing and you guys will just hate me whatever or I’ll just sign him you know what I’m saying like like he we may think like he doesn’t necessarily need to do that or you know maybe that wouldn’t but he can sign him and trade him in two years imagine Dan just keep signing um giv contract extension so he gets the right deal but he has uh 17 first round picks and you know finally he’s got the right deal for Lori marketing so yeah I where do you stand on the starter you still you having Keon Keon like I’m firm on that it needs to be Keon you guys might have talked me into that you might have talked me into that as long as I would like to know why Malik monk wants to start so much too though I don’t know if he’s like outright said like this is why I want to start like he said like yes I want to be a starter but I’d like to know why there’s cach a to that you know what I mean there’s there’s cach a to being a starting two two guard in the NBA um maybe maybe he feels that on my next contract if I want to make the big money I got to be a starting two guard else I might get stuck in this this whole 7080 million do range or whatever the case may be and if I can if I can put up 15 16 points a game 17 points a game is a starting two guard now I’m talking about I’m I’m getting $120 million yeah yeah I see that because we talked about it we behind the scenes we didn’t want to burst nobody’s bu bubble but we talked about it behind the scenes when all this started was like oh was a Tim Hardway Jr like 80 million like that’s that’s what he’s getting I don’t think he’s getting offered $100 million from you’re not getting $25 million a year uh sounds like there was one team at the end who there was money out that for who who did um produce that type of offer but yeah I I think this was the right right move the right price range everything else like that but wanting to start you might want to get out of that price range he might want to get out of that box and say like I want to be aund million dollar man but look the Cap’s going up we see Jaylen Brunson is set to make yeah Jaylen Brunson just turned 400 million hundreds of millions of dollars he’s he gonna get that $400 million do deal I hope so Kenny I hope so he gonna get that for anything outside of like how old is he right now off the top of my head I would say 26 N he’s older than that he might be 27 so he’s going to get $400 million when he’s 31 yeah absolutely let me see what his real like what his actual didn’t what did Paul George did Paul George get $200 million that’s 200 million like that’s he’s 34 yeah Jaylen brunson’s 27 he turns 30 he turns 28 in like a month he turns 28 month so so in four years at 32 he’ll get that no chance he’ll get 400 I can’t can’t believe they talked him into that like I but like I said a favor for a favor James Harden got $30 million a year that’s that’s different that’s that’s not the 410 million or whatever you’re talking about like he’s like he’s not getting that he’s not getting 410 million at at 32 years old why did they do that um well 400 that just doesn’t I think the other one was $300 million well even that is a lot like you’re 32 you probably lost a step by then not the Jaylen Brunson you were now or even maybe a year or two from now I think he’ll be all right at 32 yeah he’ll be all right he’ll he’ll be able to play the same way at 32 he’ll be able to play same way at 3 did he already sign I think he did take it back didn’t uh didn’t what’s his name get a big didn’t he get a Max contract at like excuse me at like uh thir I know it’s different money but it’s Max contract didn’t Al Horford get a Max contract at like 34 32 or something like that yeah but that’s like one of those like two years like 60 million type things or what then you get no not with with not the not the yeah he got like the four five they gave like four 410 I think that was about 30 32 or something like that that was a Max I don’t know man he didn’t have no ties just think if the Knicks get to the finals if the Knicks get to the finals in the next four years and Jaylen Brunson is that dude like they’re gonna they’ll pay him for his sake like I don’t want them to yeah no sorry you’re going to have to you lost bro I can’t root for the Knicks to get to the finals he’s taking a chance though he is taking a chance man uh yeah I don’t know are we 55 or 56 56 we about a minute left oh good so I can talk more boxing no I’m not yeah no we can I mean they’re gonna I’m just playing they’re gonna leave they’re leave but yeah man as we speak the king the kings are playing right now they’re down 20 to the Memphis Grizzlies in their summer league game Keon is playing uh I’m trying to see how they were gonna give me the stats I didn’t see the stats Mason Jones 10 points seven rebounds Mason Jones just plays well wherever he’s at Mason Jones I would not be against him like being on the over under 13 games that he plays for the Kings this season I’m g go over maybe because I just want him to play more than 13 games I’m g go over give him a chance give him a chance that’s for sure man hey but it was a great week appreciate everybody that pulled up in the chat that called in we didn’t even get the chance the real the real brothers of Sacramento we didn’t get a chance to hear from them today hopefully hear from me next week shout out to all my guests that pulled up shout out to my man Jesse Tapia he was doing two shows you know at sometimes man so big UPS to him and uh Dame is supposed to be back next week I don’t know he may just stay away from ever we’ll bring him back he called Broast this earlier so he did we’ll bring him back man and uh let’s get it started next Monday 10: a.m. with the Insiders ESPN 1320 vamos he gantes we out yes [Music] sir is this call back again what the hell all right man oh man all right man hey man I appreciate all y’all for sure for sure man I appreciate you guys this week man y’all y’all tapped in we had a lot of fun um thank you guys thank you guys man and we’ll we’ll be back uh full strength uh on Monday man so we up out of here y’all be good like And subscribe stay cool peace
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