Should The Detroit Pistons Run It Back? | Pistons Talk Podcast With Eric Vincent

Should The Detroit Pistons Run It Back? | Pistons Talk Podcast With Eric Vincent

Hey guys, welcome back to Pistons Talk podcast. Hope you guys are having a great weekend so far. I’m joined once again by Clutch Points Beat reporter Eric Vincent. Eric, welcome back to the show, man. How you doing? Feeling good, man. Um, excited to be here. Uh, we got a lot to get into. Uh, got off a very, very exciting series we get to talk about. It’s a lot of good stuff here on the player, man. I’m happy to be here. appreciate the time as always, man. Uh I I I saw you and a lot of other Pistons fans kind of uh have some friendly we we’ll call it friendly friendly Twitter beef with Nicks fans. So, you know, kind of talk about that of like just kind of going back and forth with Nick fans and like, you know, the you being able to cover your first playoff series as a reporter uh covering the Pistons. Yeah, that was uh you know my first full season. You know, I got to get to the postseason action which made it that much sweeter, especially against a team like the Knicks. You know, they’re starving for a championship. Haven’t had one in a while. And uh they were very uh they were very braggadocious early. You know, they’re talking pretty reckless. And you know, I’m a beat reporter. You know, I’m supposed to be professional and stand on one side, but I see the landscape of other media members and they’re allowed to be fans. like Stephen A can be a fan on ESPN. Other people can be a fan of their team even though they spot. So, I found my way to balance both and you know, I found my way to be a fan and be a media member as long as I wasn’t being biased, which you know, I don’t have a reason to be. You know, they were um they just made so many arguments that made me so mad. Oh, the Jaylen Brunson could be leading the league in, you know, fouls drawn and they still complain about the number of free throws he takes. Like, it’s it’s just out just kind of ridiculous. So, you know, somebody had to step in and kind of, you know, be the enforcer there. You know, it it got ugly. They got in my comments a lot, but it’s okay. You know, I got Ben Stiller co-signed me. You know, I was able to uh um interview Walt Frasier in the process, too. So, all the trolling in those comments won’t hurt me. And so, it was a it was a pretty good outcome. I was happy with what happened. Yeah. I I saw you going at it and I saw a lot of mutuals um that I that we both follow kind of just like going back and forth um with you know one one Nick account in particular Nick Muse who you know I at the end of the day I probably would have done the same thing because I’m a Piston fan like I’m going to support the team that I’m invested in so I can’t really be matted in for that. Um but you know honestly uh I thought it was good fun. There was a lot of entertainment on the timeline like um FanDuel run it back like um he he DM’d me and I don’t know who their social manager is but he he’s like look I made up a stat and like Nick fans fell for it and I was just like bro like that’s hilarious by the way he’s like making up stats and he was like Nicks for clicks works every time. I was just like, man, that’s hilarious. But, um, obviously like your first playoff series, like, um, is there like one key moment that you’re taking away or was it just kind of like pinch pinch myself? I’m I’m covering a a playoff series with the Pistons right now, man. Um, yeah, I think it would have to be, um, it was a couple moments actually. Again, the atmosphere was amazing. Anybody who’s in the comments that was at LCA showing out, going crazy, kudos to you, man. The energy there was absolutely phenomenal. Um, and you know, for the playoffs, it’s regular for media members to get a little bit more dressed up. So, I put a suit on, I put a jacket on, you know, I tried to, you know, get a little bit more, you know, stylish with it. So, in the process of that, you know, in the media room where there’s food in the buffet, I got to meet Worldwide West, you know, who’s a senior adviser for the Dicks. We were um having a little bit of banter about the 04 Pistons, you know. I told him that Chanty’s one of my favorite players, you know. Um She’s one of my favorite players. He was mad I didn’t mention uh Rip. So, we had a little bit of back and forth with that. Um also challenging to play 101. So, that was fun. But that, you know, kind of equated to game six when I saw him again where he put me in the same table to meet and interview and talk to Walt Frasier about his view. He does the color commentary for the Knicks on their side. He said, “Yeah, man. You know, you able to hold on with me, so why don’t you go ahead and talk to him?” He said, “If you got any outs and brains in you, you’ll go interview him right now.” I’m like, “Uh, okay. All right, cool. Let’s do it.” So, you know, just being able to freestyle off of that, you know, talking to the fans in the building, talking to a lot of the, you know, the big wigs and some legendary players, you know, from both sides of both teams. It was so much to take in, man. It’s it’s one of those moments I’ll never forget. You know, I’m I’m 34 years old. I was there for the 04 run. I was in the arena when they played the Bucks in the first round and it was lights out over there. This felt a little more crazy than that. I feel like like the FU Bruntton chance, you know, a lot of the toxic energy, but it was all for good reason. So, it was so many fun takeaways and I’ll I’ll definitely cherish that for the rest of my life. I I’ll just say like watching from home, I’ve never heard Little Sus’s Arena that loud. Now, now mind you, like I I’ve I’ve gone to Pistons games this season. Uh I’ve gone to Red Wings games this season. Like the the atmosphere like at home felt electric. So I I can’t even imagine what it was like down there. I know a friend of ours, Sean Murphy, he was telling me like on his iPhone watch that it hit like 140 dB. Like it was just so damn loud. He’s like he’s like, “Yeah, I couldn’t hear [ __ ] dude. Like at all.” So, I mean, you you never like it was just cool to see everyone like go out, show out. Um, some people didn’t wear the t-shirts. I guess it is what it is at this point. But, I mean, like at the end of the day, it was really cool to see the Pistons not only like host not one, not two, but three playoff games because they forced a game six, but um just as a fan and someone that has been doing like weekly podcasts for like the past like four or five years, man, like um got a taste of the playoffs. I I want to go back next season. I don’t know about you. Yeah, you can’t help but be hungry for for a little bit more. And then I saw a a follow-up podcast with I think Brunson where he even talked about how energetic and how crazy that fan base was. He said, you know, the FU Brunson chance aside when they called him a flopper, which was super loud. Um, you know, bullied him every time he touched the ball, going at Cat every time he touched the ball. And then they were chirping, too. Like they were going, you know, back and forth with the fans in the front row. You could just tell that everybody was, you know, on pins and needles the whole game. I’m so happy that each game was actually competitive. It wasn’t a blowout in any of the six games. So, you know, that that showed that the Pistons truly belonged and the fans carried their weight. Even like you said, even though they didn’t wear the t-shirts, they did a good job of representing and um it carried an unbelievable atmosphere inside LCA. It it it really was like I I’m working on a project video right now of like how um this team is so much different from the 2015 16 and the 201819 team. Oh yeah. And like why I why I think like this team isn’t scratching the surface right now because they’re incredibly young and they’ll probably be back as a top six maybe top five seed depending on like what really happens this off season. But like um I’m glad they got the monkey off their back too. Like not winning a playoff game for 17 uh straight years. Cool. They have to wait until next year to win a home playoff game. I I I really thought they were going to get win-win in game four. Like the the last minute foul was just crazy. There there there’s so many things in in these playoffs that were just like you have to rewind and just rewatch it and relive it because like there were so many things that I missed. Like I I I watch back games three and four and I’m like man like the absolutely crazy between the crowds, the the FE Brunson, the flopper stuff like it was so memorable and even though we didn’t win a first first round playoff series, it was still like really enjoyable to watch this as a fan at the end of the day. Yeah, they did what they needed to do. Um like that was one of my goals. Even I thought that they had a chance to win, which obviously they showed that they did. Um I picked them to win in six. Um, but at the very least I wanted them to at the very least show that they belong. Winning two games on their home court 100% matters. Um, being able to answer the runs that the Knicks win on like Brunson getting hot, Muel Bridges hitting tough shot after tough shot. Cat playing, you know, like he was hearing a lot of the chatter around his name and then responding to it. The Pistons did a really good job of bouncing back from double-digit deficits repeatedly to get in position to win, you know, towards the fourth quarter. So, if the inexperience would have been a matter of them just getting blown out, that would have been a completely different conversation. And I think our energy right now would be totally different. The fact that they were able to withstand and kind of answer blow forblow, you know, throughout injuries, not having Ivy, not having Stu, not sure when he was going to come back and, you know, still just being able to answer the call with who they had. I I like you say, it shows that they truly belong and it should be I won’t say guarantee, but they shows that they belong and should have that desire to get back as soon as next season because they’re in perfect position to repeat what they did. I mean, given like where New York’s at like that that’s a team that I think you you talked to a Knicks fan like they’re matched up to go against the Boston Celtics who were, you know, a favorite to make it out of the East, you know, injuries included, right? um the fact that the Pistons tested them and like realistically like they could be playing in a game seven, you know, depending on like how, you know, whistles go, but like it was a competitive six game series. Um and you know, obviously, uh I’m I’m pretty positive about it and you’re right, like if they didn’t win a game, they got blown out, they got swept like they they did in the previous two playoffs and uh you know, 2015 and you know, 2018, absolutely. We’d probably be having different narratives um and and conversations. Uh we we do have shout out to my guy Tom, number one uh Pistons Korea fan, saying Eric Vincent, the man followed by Ben Stiller. Shout out. I unfortunately I didn’t get the follow Tom. I hit him up, you know, I got the tweet. He followed Shawn Murphy and I thought I was coming next cuz you know, he tweeted my video. I didn’t get the follow after, man. I’m a little hurt by that. So, Ben, if you watch it, you owe me a follow. Shawn Murphy, I’m very very envious of you right now, my brother. Um, but yeah, it was it was still a cool moment. I can’t be mad at it. It is what it is. So, Sean saw your tweet and saw an opportunity to get a follow. So, that’s what you’re saying. He tweeted him and said, “Oh my god, Ben tweeting Eric Vincent.” And then he follows him after. I’m like, “Oh snap, my turn next.” Nope. Not going to happen. I got snubbed, man. Shout out the shot. I hope Ben still or does follow you. He’s even though he’s a Nick fan, he’s still one of my favorite actors. Like he he’s just big legend. He’s he’s he’s phenomenal. Um I I did kind of want to get into a little bit of NBA draft. We’re not talking about prospects. I know I know some people I I got a DM. This guy like listed like 15 players that he wants me to watch for the second round pick and I was like that’s how locked in he is already and absolutely love it uh on Instagram. So, if you are watching, you know who you are because I completely forgot his first name. I apologize. But, um, this is more of like a a question with where they’re at. Like, could you see them trading up in the draft is maybe they fall in love with the prospect. I wouldn’t put really anything against their, you know, I wouldn’t say anything is impossible what could be on the table. I think Tjan understands that the idea of like just running it back with what they had is probably not going to cut it. You know, guys are going to get older. Um, you know, things need to change. Other teams are going to change um and kind of prepare for another opportunity to get back to the postseason. So, I could see it possibly happening. Um, it may be I think it may be a little rare just unless they fall in love and head over heels with somebody. Um, I think what they don’t have their first round pick. I think it’s what the 37th overall, you know, in the second round. Um, so, you know, it’s going to be a big climb, but I could see him try to get active. You know, Trejan’s not um a GM that likes to just sit on his heels. Like, he he’s very active. He was when he was with New Orleans. He was um when he was helping with the Clippers, I want to say, or under David Griffin. Oh, no, that was with uh was excuse me. Um, but yeah, I I I can see him still getting active and trying to, you know, find something that works if they fall in love with somebody because, um, you know, again, that’s just been their nature and they’re trying to do whatever they can to solidify that future and it wouldn’t shock me at all if they did that. I I I think one thing that maybe goes unnoticed this off season is one, the Pistons won 44 games. like shout out to them for that. But their first round pick was locked up for so damn long because of that Isaiah Stewart trade. It’s going to the Timberwolves this year, which you know Timberwolves, you know, they’re they’re balling right now in the playoffs, which they’re one of my favorite teams uh to watch if I’m just being objective as like a basketball fan. But now they can trade future first. Like that’s huge. And I don’t think a lot of Pistons fans are talking about that right now. Like you don’t have any protections. The protections are completely lifted. You can trade future first. You got a second round pick. Uh Tan’s first move. Actually traded for Tim Hardaway Jr. He he got a second from Dallas that belongs to the Toronto Raptors. It’s sitting at 37 and that that’s the pick that you’ll have. So maybe late late first round. You never really know. Um I I I I think like if Tjan is in love with someone, he strikes me as a type of general manager to try to get something. I mean, he did it in the second round. That’s how we got Wendell Moore and Bobby Clipman out of it, you know, just kind of trade it up. You never know at the end of the day. Um, but I think it’s kind of early to talk about draft. I I know someone had asked me it. Could I see him doing it collectively? I I just don’t know. I think it really depends on like what they’re kind of hearing going into free agency because I’m I’m sure we’re going to be getting a bunch of rumors over, you know, the next month or so of like what’s happening? Uh what do the Pistons want to do? What does the league want to do? There’s a lot of superstars that are probably going to be on on the block, especially uh with the draft coming up. Who’s going to get the, you know, first overall pick? Please don’t be New Orleans. But um honestly this sent Cooper flag to like Utah or something. I that’s what I feel like he’s bound to be. I think it’s either there or maybe Brooklyn. But you know I I think um Trajan has emphasized a lot that while they do want to win now, they understand that the future is important as well. They don’t want to just be one and done and then you know be in purgatory like you know the Suns or you know what the Lakers were after they won. like they don’t want to be in a situation like that. They want to have, you know, invested pieces for the future, which is why they’re able to take a pick like Ron Holland when they did because, you know, his development is important, but it’s not an immediate need at this moment right now. So, I, you know, I think he still want to, you know, have that in the in the, you know, the tfold of what he wants to do. But, you know, fortunately for them, considering the wins that they put together, knowing that the foundation is slowly coming together with the players, the coaching staff, and their front office, they’re able to take their time with maybe some of those future moves. So, you know, it may not have to be a rush, but like you said, if it’s a player that they fall in love with, I wouldn’t rule it out at all. Yeah, me either. You never really know cuz players slip every draft. Like we always think that uh when we do these mock drafts that that’s where the players are going to end up and like the NBA draft humbles you very quick. Your boards go out the window um very quickly. Like there could be a guy right now that I think is you know a light second rounder and some team drafts him in the lottery. It happens every year. Like um I was just having a conversation with one of my buddies and we were talking about uh how Milwaukee drafted Don Maker and I was just like yeah bro like that was such a reach. like they were trying to get Giannis in a bottle twice. Um, and it kind of blew up in their face. Like stuff like that happens. I don’t think that that there’s like an international prospect that’s like really intriguing um to like a thon maker because the hype with him was like insane. Like people are calling him like the next next Kevin Durant. Like it was insane. Like some of the conversations that I remember having. I definitely remember them conversations. you know them, you know, similar to the bowls, like those long rangy international players that could be as high as, you know, KD or whatever. I mean, know we even saw that with uh Bobby Clintman’s uh trainer when we had him on had the same similar projection, but you know, things work out a little bit different. That’s the league for you. Hey man, shout out to Bobby and shout out to Jeremy. Jeremy. Uh, I mean, I swear I I I definitely have to give him back on the podcast cuz like he he’s he’s just a funny dude. Uh, I have a comment from Matthysse who’s actually a a big Brazilian Piston fan. I feel like Pistons have like a really big international fan base. Like, yes, got guys in Australia that are coming out here, flying out here. You you have uh Tom in Korea. Like Tom Tom is funny, bro. like he he’s he’s literally playing like GM GMAC cash like in the car like they’re like what what are we listening to? Tom was a great follow. I love Tom. That was awesome. I got to meet Piston Jack too this season which was an absolute highlight. Yeah, it was cool to see the kind of reach that this team has especially knowing the, you know, perception around Detroit is nobody cares about Piston basketball. And I think the franchise did a really good job of highlighting, you know, that international reach and, you know, showing them a good time when they were, you know, in the arena at LCA. So, shout out to y’all, man. Yeah. Fan from Brazil. That’s fantastic. I see someone from London as well. Like, yeah, it’s a lot of good support around the around the world. Yeah, Dre uh was from London, England. He’s up to games three and four. So, shout out to Dre watching on Twitter right now. Like I I I always say like maybe I’m biased, but I I feel like our international fans are like some of the best fans. Like I I know this isn’t like um Pistons related, but there’s a guy that I follow on Twitter that’s a big Tigers fan that’s from London as well. And like he’s coming to like three or four Tigers games. It just kind of shows you like Detroit is such a great sports city and we I I feel like we have some of the best fans in the world, but maybe it’s me. I’m a little biased on here. I mean, I think the facts are out there now, which makes it even crazier for people like Shaq to say the stuff that they say like the proof is there. We’re packing out arenas, you know, there was no sell the team chance. Like even last year when they were struggling, the fans were still showing up and, you know, giving some energy during those games. So, yeah, that that passion, that love is there, man. Shout out to the fans in the arena. Shout out to the fans here watching. You know, y’all y’all went crazy this year, man. You should take your hat off and be proud of yourselves. Yeah. Um, honestly, man, it’s so cool to see. So, I I think it’s we we’ve been having a lot of conversations. I know I’ve had you on here multiple times. I feel like I have you on here once a month and I absolutely love it. Um, and I know we’ve talked about like should the Pistons, you know, resign certain players. Now, this is a a compiled list of the Detroit Pistons free agents. Mine is Donis Jenkins because I don’t really know what the Pistons two-way is two-ways are going to be. uh and their outlook with that because two ways change every year. But these are all five of the Detroit Pistons free agents. So we have Tim Hardway Jr., Dennis Schroeder, Malik Beasley, Lindy Waters, Paul Reed. Do you want to kind of maybe just go down each individual one and kind of give your perspective on each player? Yeah. Um I think these are all very interesting names. Um, they all made a very intriguing impact in some way, shape, or form for this team. I mean, even Lindy Waters hitting that, you know, last second shot to go to overtime against the Bucks before the regular season was over was pretty cool. Um, but yeah, looking at these names, they’re going to they’re going to have to make some tough decisions regarding these five names. Um, if I could just and these are all guesses. I’m not reporting anything. This is just, you know, what I think can shake up and happen. I think it may be a little too repetitive to bring back Tim Hardaway and Malik Beasley. Um I think Beasley, you know, even though his postseason ended in kind of unfortunate fashion, I think he’s done enough to kind of show how important he is to this rotation. You know, he shown he can play off the bench, you know, in a starting lineup and, you know, be that reliable shooting source that Cade and, you know, this team has needed in terms of spacing and shot creation for such a long time. Um, you know, I’ve loved what I saw from Beasley this season. I think he’s their top priority and I do have a feeling that he comes back. I have a feeling that maybe Schroeder comes back as well cuz I just don’t know how ready um Mark that’s name for a second. Marcus Sasser. I don’t know how ready he is to, you know, step in and be that next guy as their backup point because he showed that his value is being a scorer, not necessarily the guy that sets up others. and Schroeder has at least been able to do that. Um, you know, I’m not sure where Tim Hardaway goes at this point. You know, he’s a little older in his career. Um, you know, he did a lot for the team. You know, he’s definitely a great locker room plug. You know, did a lot of great things for this team in terms of their preparation for the postseason. Um, but his his streakiness is a little, you know, is a little too noted for me. And I think that may be the reason that he might be the odd man out or one of the odd men out. Um, you know, Lindy, I think probably we’ve seen the end of him in Detroit. Paul Reed, I think, is interesting. Um, I think he’s a another one of those great, you know, locker room, you know, players that they have that has brought a lot of great energy and showed a lot of guys like Beef Stew and Duran, you know, how to scrap for, you know, extra possessions and how to fight and, you know, be that, you know, energy glue guy. Like, you know, they have the dog pound. I don’t think they ever really initiated him, but I think Paul Reed was kind of like a dog pound player for how they play. Um, you know, he was really good in the postseason when they needed him in short spots. Um, regular season as well. I wouldn’t be surprised they find a way to bring him back on a vet minimum. Um, but yeah, I I think I think I I would say to me if I were to take a guess, I think those would be the three that they bring back. What the numbers and figures would be, I’m not sure. But yeah, that’s going to be a tough conversation and, you know, decision for Tan to make this off seasonason. Yeah, I when I was looking at like who free agents were because obviously off the top of my head sometimes I I forget about Lindy and I I forget about Paul Reed and even Dennis Schroer to an extent. Um but I I think you’re right though with Tim Hardaway Jr. I mean if you look at the cap hit that he has a cap hold uh it’s 24 million. So, the Pistons I I I think in free agency the they probably have a a good indication of what the the ballpark figure that they would want to bring back a Tim Hardaway Jr. if they did want to kind of run it back that way with him. But I I think at the end of the day, Jaden Ivy only played 30 games. And I I’m I’m one to think that once Assar came back, maybe Tim would have kind of gotten out of the rotation a little bit because I just saw a tweet the other day from Cuckah Hill that Jade Ivy only played two minutes with the Sarcade, Jaylen Durn, and Tobias. Insane. It it kind of shows you like we were kind of robbed though like because we Ivy was playing some of the best balls of his career under JB in his first year. But I do agree with you. I think it’s kind of redundant because you are getting Jaden Ivy back. Uh he should be 100% healthy by by training camp and you know um saw him wear a practice jersey. First time I’ve seen him wear a practice jersey you know last week. So, obviously the the rehab is going well, but um if I’m being honest, I would be okay with letting Tim just kind of explore free agency. And if there’s not a market for him, if you can get him on a, you know, a friendly deal, I guess kind of, you know, do it that way. Um Malik, I’m with you. And I think Malik is priority number one for not only Pistons fans, but I feel like this front office and I I I think where this front office can can kind of do like what’s the word I’m looking for? Kind of gymnastics in a sense where I would give Malik a mid-level exception. I would give him the three-year mid-level. That way, you don’t have to use your cap space. And I I I think it’s enough for him to uh be happy with because if you kind of look at the the biggest contracts he’s ever had, it was Minnesota. Like that was the biggest contract he ever had. And I I I think a mid-level is a little bit lower than what he was in Minnesota, but at the end of the day, I feel like he likes it here. He likes playing with Kade. He likes being home. Um, and I I I think that matters. And he he was just such a a positive voice in the locker room. And I I know he gave a a lot of reporters uh the time that they that you guys asked for him. And like obviously the the three-point shooting I think is just so appealing to keep him on this roster. And he’s not even 30 yet, by the way. So, if you give him a give him a three-year deal, like he’ll still be like what 31 32 by the time the contract’s over. Maybe you give him another three-year deal when you have a little bit more cap space to spend. So, Malik would be for me number one. Then Schroeder, I want to bring him back. I I I really do. Um I think where the Pistons have a leg up is they have his early bird rights, which I think will help with negotiations. Um, and it makes me wonder, I know I touched on Ivy, like Dennis Schroeder wouldn’t really have to play, you know, 30 35 minutes a game because you you have a health of Jaden Ivy and you could kind of let Dennis Schroeder just run the second unit um with Malik, uh, with Stew, with Bobby Clipman. I’m kind of putting it out there. Love you, Tech, but man, season was rough. Season was rough. Hope you’re doing well. Um, but I I I would love to bring back a Dennis Schroeder. Lindy, I just didn’t see enough. Even though that that Bucks game, it that was a crazy game by the way. Pat Coneton legacy game. Good lord. Um, Kyle Koosma 40 or whatever, but he got out the Yeah, he scored 40 then he forgot how to play basketball in the playoffs. Like I don’t even know what happened there, man. It was It was It was wild. Um, Lindy, I I think if you just want like a cheap option because he’s a small forward, maybe if you’re just trying to fill out the roster, maybe, but I I think we could probably both agree most likely he’s not going to be on this roster. I think he was just kind of a throwin piece for Dennis Schroeder at the deadline. Mhm. And then Paul Reed, I think what he did, I think some people kind of underell, not being only like not playing each and every game, but he was positive. He was a third string center. Like in the in the playoffs, I I thought he did a good job as he could have, you know, trying to go up against Mitchell Robinson who’s 7 feet and Paul Reed is like 68. So, I mean, I don’t know. Maybe you try to look to upgrade that third string center. Maybe you try to get, I don’t know, an Andre Drummond, get a little bit more size there as a third string center on events minimum. I don’t know. But if I had to just pick two guys out of this list, it’s probably Malik and Schroeder. Yeah, that’s that’s kind of where I’m at at this point. Um, Schroeder did a really good job. Like, you can maybe make the argument that he was in stretches their second best player based on how he was playing on both sides of the ball. um did a really good job of defending, you know, Brunson um and was really helpful as their secondary ball handler and primary in certain instances. But that’s I mean kind of what we talk about with Kade as well. You need like there’s a world where you could see them both, you know, have Schroeder on the floor and then having Ivy next to him as well. And that kind of like dynamic gets a little bit easier for the two of them because there were a lot of stretches where Schroer had to just create everything. Um, and that’s not really what you want your backup guard to be. Um, you want to be able to have I think you need to have like two creators on the floor at all times. And it seemed like the Pistons were kind of shrunk down to having one. Um, you know, Tobias I thought had a pretty good series, but a lot of it was created off of his um, catch and shoot opportunities or maybe just posting up on the block against smaller, you know, matchups. And I think you need just maybe one more guy to kind of go along with that dynamic. And I think having a cade, a healthy Ivy, shorter off the floor or off the bench and then maybe one more guy to kind of, you know, bring a little bit of a more scary dynamic offensively, I think puts them in a different kind of tier and, you know, it doesn’t have to be so much where they’re leaning on just one person to create for four other guys because that can get sloppy, especially when you’re playing against a team like the Knicks who had creators and guys who were just making miracle shot after miracle shot. How many OG and Obi shots where he’s off balance with a guy in his face, he knocks it down. Muel Bridges, same thing. Cat, three, four, five steps behind the three-point line, sinks it with ease. Like they were just just hitting some unbelievable shots. And the Pistons need a little bit more firepower to be able to match with um with teams like that, especially heading into the postseason. Yeah, I I do agree with you there. I I I think free agency is definitely going to be interesting. Um, and you could kind of tell though, like going into like last summer, the Pistons were shocked that they got Malik Beasley for what they got him at. And like, sure, you know, Malik saying like, “Don’t trade me. I want to be here.” Um, I I I think it just kind of speaks volume of like his character and like what he wants to do in Detroit. I mean, he said he wanted to bring the playoffs back. Uh, he did that. I know on that stream uh earlier this year um said he wanted to bring a you know a Larry O’Brien back to Detroit and like obviously you know he kind of struggled in the playoffs but at the end of the day I think going from 14 to 44 is crazy and I think a lot of these bets are a a big reason why uh they were able to you know be a playoff team. Obviously K took that huge step but like I don’t think you know they they get to where they’re at without a lot of these veterans on this list. 100%. And to even get as far as they did is a complete shock. I mean, these guys, like you said, even the the impact of a guy like Paul Reed who, you know, again, may not be remembered by a lot of the outside noise, but I think like in the Pistons fan base, there’s always those like, you know, role players that are just remembered forever, like the John Barry’s, the Ishmmiths. I think Paul Reed has done enough to kind of, you know, cement himself. Even going back to the the Utah game where he scores and he’s shoving uh you know uh what’s his name? Um the sixman I forgot his name off off their bench. Um you know he just played with a different kind of fight for this team and showed them basically what it means to be you know like kind of embody that Detroit Piston basketball the front court and you know kind of giving that extra effort. It’s not just all about scoring cuz Paul was good at scoring, but he was able to pull down rebounds, you know, switch around defensively, um, you know, fight for loose balls. He did a lot of great things for this team. And I think, you know, based on what they need at this point, I think I actually love the Andre Drummond name. That’s actually a really good idea. Um, needing that size, knowing that he’s interested in finishing his career in Detroit, as he said before, I think it just kind of makes, you know, all the sense in the world. that’ll hopefully get y’all to stop booing him when he shows up to LCA. Um, it makes a lot of sense based on what they need. Um, you know, if that’s the upgrade over Paul, then I think it makes all the sense in the world, especially off the glass, too, where they needed a lot of assistance, you know, fighting on, you know, against the offensive opportunities from the Knicks or whoever else. So, yeah, they have a lot of opportunity to to to shapen up that bench, and I think there’s some good names to fill in to do it. Yeah, there there definitely is. We’re going to kind of get into some names that I I’ve seen uh some Pistons fans talk about, but before we do that, my guy Johnny, man, shout out to Johnny. This guy just dropped a $100 super chat, bro. Like, shout out to Johnny, man. Like, no. Thank you, Johnny. Thank you for being day one subscriber. I’m I’m telling you, each postgame podcast, Johnny was consistent. He was in all 82 postgame podcast. Even um the playoff postgame shows, I seen him in there. So, shout out to Johnny for the super chat, man. You didn’t have to do that. I do appreciate it, though. Johnny, Johnny, I need some gas money, bro. If you want to spread it around, hey, you see prices and everything is rough out here. So, Johnny, what’s happening, bro? Hit up my line. Yeah, bro. It’s a It’s a recession out here. I feel it. I feel it, bro. Honestly, I mean, you know it’s bad when Five Guys is making a freaking combo meal. Oh my god. I saw that. That made me laugh so hard. It’s all those all those all those things in a five guy combo meal are like $15 each if we’re being serious. Oh man. Sometimes out here, man. So, um, with this playoffs and this season, I kind of wanted to ask you like what position do you think the Pistons need to address the most? I think they really need a stretch for upgrade for sure. I think Tobias did a really good job this season. I think he did a really good job of changing the perception around his name. Um, you know, people thought were talking about how he was going to come up short in the postseason. He did a really good job in the postseason. I think on both sides of the ball in terms of scoring, defending Cat, like getting in his head, being physical, like even the shots that Cat was making, Tobias made him earn every single one. It’s not like Cat was just overpowering him every single time and they were just hunting him out where the Pistons need to double team him constantly. Like Tobias did a really good job. However, I think he could be a little bit more beneficial maybe coming off the bench next season. Um I just think based on what they need again what they need maybe just one more creator that can just give you a different kind of dynamic on offense. I think you need someone that maybe maybe a little more younger and has a bit of a better handle as well. Something that always bothered me this season with him is his handle wasn’t strong. He really struggled like finishing at the rim at times as well. Um and I just think they can find an upgrade with that. Um there could be some teams that are willing to sell. I think there’s a lot of teams that could be interested um that have some names that I’m interested in to have in the back of my mind. And you know, I think Traan is going to be busy, you know, reaching out to those kind of teams like maybe teams like the N the Nets, teams like um maybe the Hawks, teams like um maybe the Kings. Like I just feel like these are the teams that could be interested in making some big changes. Um you know, we talked about New Orleans. There’s a lot of rumors already flying about Zion and his availability. And you know, knowing that Trejan’s ties come from New Orleans, that’s going to be a big uh connection all off seasonason. So, they got a lot of options that they can reach into. And I think the stretch four will be the biggest um opportunity. Like, I don’t think they need to get another guard. Sorry, Devin Booker, you know, fans. I I just don’t think they need to do that. Um, and I think Assar is the great I think he needs to make a lot of upgrades in his game, but I still think they look at him as their three of the future based on what they how he played this season. So, um, I think stretch four is the biggest area where they could really make a difference in an upgrade. Yeah, I I agree with you. Before we got a back on point guard, before we got Dennis, I was like all on the backup guard train. Um, but I’m going to put a graphic on the screen there people for people that are watching live on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube right now. So, these are the most five names that have come across my timeline. Um, the kill Alexander Walker I think is a very sneaky free agent that they could target. He’s a UFA, which I don’t know if the the Timberwolves can retain him. Might be a sneaky THJ replacement if we’re being honest. Like, he’s a good defender. really like I I’ve liked him for a long time. I remember when he first came out of the draft, people are like, you know, he he’s not good, but I mean, he he’s developed so much. Uh especially in Minnesota. Uh Bobby Portoris, who I I I’ve been on the Bobby Portoris train for a long time. He does have a player option. So, I don’t know what’s going to happen with the Milwaukee Bucks, especially the way they went out and then Damen Lillard, you know, going through blood clots and then just having a really gruesome injury in that playoff series. Um, I I I I think it’s a team to keep an eye on, especially with Brook Lopez. He’s also going to be a free agent. Don’t really know what he wants to do and how much longer he wants to play. So, Bobby Porters could definitely be a player you keep an eye on. Nas Reed, I think we’ve talked about him before. again, another guy at a player option. See a lot of Pistons fans talk about him in terms of, you know, possibly upgrading the front court. Um, I think the only thing with him is him and Ron are going to have to kiss some makeup if that ever uh did happen or I don’t know, maybe just getting a getting getting a a boxing much therapy. Much needed therapy between them two. Yeah. Um, one name that I I I’ve seen a little bit is Stephen Adams, which man, the the playoffs that he’s had with the Houston Rockets. I I saw a stat. He’s like a plus 53 in that rating. I I’ve always been a Stephen Adams fan. I don’t really know how much longer he wants to play in the NBA. He might want to go back to Houston depending on what happens in, you know, game seven with with the Warriors, but like I’ve always low-key been a Stephen Adams fan. Maybe he’s a guy that the the Pistons look to get. I mean, you do need more size in the front court. And yeah, he’s a guy that’s really good at grabbing rebounds, setting screens. Uh, good underrated passer, by the way, too. And, uh, the final guy, I know, like when we did those like huge live streams with like uh, you know, Brandon and Shawn, like I had mentioned like Miles Turner obviously again um that same situation with Nas. I think uh, maybe him and Ste can play with some Legos. I don’t know. But um stretch five, he’s going to be an unrestricted free agent as well. But I mean, these are just some of the names that I’ve seen Pistons fans just kind of comment on social media. But like, what do you kind of make of this list? And is there a player that really is peing your interest right now? Bobby Portoris I like a lot. Um I think he’s super underrated. He’s a guy that’s always giving the Pistons problems whatever they play. um very active on the glass, has stretched his game out to be a jump shooter, even a three-point shooter at times when they need it, and he’s even crafty enough to create his own shot. Um I like Bobby Poris’s game a lot. I think it would really fit next to Durn. I think he fits that dog pound mentality perfectly and he doesn’t need any therapy like maybe Miles Turner and Nasree would need with this team. Um yeah, Alexander Walker I think would be very interesting, too. A good two-way player. um does a good job of, you know, spacing the floor out, plays in transition well. I think he would really give a good lift um based on what they need, you know, in terms of their guard depth. Um you know, you they they need another creative. I don’t another creator. I just don’t think it needs to be another guard. And I think a guy like him would be very sufficient, especially it, you know, Tim Hardaway I like a lot. He kind of got a little bit of hero ball in him sometimes, which was a little frustrating to watch. So, I think they’re looking for somebody that could kind of re that in a little bit better. And I think Walker would be a very good ad. Nas Reed was the perfect name on this list until that fight happened. Like that was just hilarious to watch cuz everybody on P Twitter was saying the same thing like, “All right, well there goes Nas Reed in our free agency hopes that it’s not going to happen anymore.” So I mean he would still be a great fit. I love the way he plays. Um but I I I also think he would maybe be interested in what they’re seeing in um in Minnesota’s trajectory right now. you know, you know, to take down the Lakers and, you know, be one of those sneaky young teams that are really, you know, shocking a lot of people in the West with one of the brighter superstars in the NBA and Anthony Edwards. You know, they they got a lot of decisions to make, but I would definitely love Nas Reed, you know, in the Pistons. Um, Stephen Adams, I feel like he could be very sufficient. I feel like he would be one of those backup fives that would be a great replacement for a Paul Reed. um you know, one of the know solid, most strong, you know, players in the NBA. Um, one of those gritty, dirty work guys that I think would embody Detroit basketball very well. You know, I wouldn’t mind that at all. And I really like Miles Turner’s game. I just don’t think he’s going to be I don’t think he’s going to want to come to a team like Detroit to be a backup. And I don’t think they’re I don’t think the team is willing or ready to give up on Jaylen Duran either. He’s taken a lot of steps and strides, especially in the second half of the regular season. Um, had some pretty good breakout moments in the playoffs as well, even though it was a little up and down at times. Um, I think he showed that, you know, he can be that piece that the team needs, you know, heading into the future. You know, a great lob threat, a really good underrated passer, um, and made some good strides on defense as well. even when he had to guard in space. Um, you know, he got some kind of cheap fouls where a lot of the Knicks were kind of running into him and throwing the ball up, which I just think is kind of a BS call. But, you know, he needs to find a way to kind of, you know, weather those storms and figure it out. And I don’t know if having a Miles Turner next to him would really make much sense for either of them. You know, I think Miles Turner is going to get a bag. I just don’t see Detroit being the place to make it happen. He would be perfect if he didn’t have Jaylen Dur. you had a like if like for whatever reason if Durn had or if Andre Drummond was on the team he had to start Turner would be the perfect replacement to get him out and then be that stretch five who can also play defense. Um but I think they want to see what they have in Duran who’s still only 21 years old and that kind of makes the most sense at this point right now. Yeah, I mean I I I agree with you with the the Dur assessment. I I still think that there’s something that the the team wants him to work on and I think it’s a mid-range. I think if he had a good 12 to 15 foot jump shot, it would open so much with his game. Um I don’t know if it’s something that they’re working on behind closed doors. I know you’ve you’ve you know taken videos of him working in the post like each pregame, but we very rarely see him shoot the basketball unless it’s like late clock situations. Um, that’s something I’m interested in. I know someone had asked, “Why do I feel that a Stephen Adams or an Andre Drummond would want to play a third string center?” I can’t speak for Steven Adams that he would want to play that. I can’t speak for Andre Drummond because he said he does want to come here. Um, and he was kind of playing third string center in Philly. Only the reason why he he played is because Joel Embiid was basically playing on a Torminiscus, right? Um, and uh, Ubiscel, I think I’m saying his last name, right? The the the kid from the the FIA World Cup, like they signed him and like, you know, he had his injuries. That’s why Andre Drummond is playing third drink center. I could see Drummond coming here, though. Uh, especially because of the ties that he does have uh, with the city of Detroit and the Pistons organization. But I mean a lot of these guys on this list ideally like Nas and Bobby I think would be like huge gets if you can get them but I think you would have to make some money work out it because a lot of your money is tied up with Cade Stew and Tobias. So you have to have conversations. Not saying like it’s it’s not possible for the Pistons to get these guys, but you’re going to have to make some trades and maybe trade some guys, trade some vets that um maybe you guys are cool with, maybe you’re not. I I think every fan is different. Um 24 hours after the timeline, like dude, it was so toxic. Like they wanted to trade half the core and just go get like a booker. Like I was like, bro, you guys got to relax. I get it. I get like the playoffs just ended, but relax for like at least a day. Yeah, I heard some wild takes. I heard people call JB a bridge coach. I heard Dur has to go. I heard some wild takes afterwards, man. I’m sure we’re going to get into another one later, but um to kind of hone in on what you were talking about, Jaylen Dur does work on that 10 to 15 footer a lot. Um he warms up with Kade during the pregame and he does take a lot of time where you know he’s working his screen and rolls where they pop out to him to shoot that 10 to 15 footer and also not even just shoot but also you know take one or two dribbles to get to the hoop as well. He does work on it a lot. That’s definitely something that needs to become that could if it did become more consistent would open up a huge you know avenue for this team offensively. Um, but yeah, it’s that that’s still a big work in progress unfortunately for him. I feel like he doesn’t need like, you know, we talk a lot about the three-point shooting and spacing. We don’t need to see that from him. He doesn’t need to develop it to what, you know, Demarcus Cousins did in his career, what Brook Lopez did as a three-point shooter. Um, you know, just that just that one little 15 foot Germaine O’Neal shot, I think could open up a lot for him. Um, and it would also, like you said, limit the need to bring in some of these bigger names like a Miles Turner to kind of suffice for that. I think he could unlock that. I think they want to see it from him and that development is going to be key heading into these next couple years to see what he does. Yeah. I mean, even if he kind of takes the bam at a bile trajectory, I think a lot of Pistons fans would be extremely happy with that. Obviously, Bam protects the rim a little bit more. But I was very impressed with the way Duran not only played high minutes, but his ability to go up against Cat. I I think there were a couple situations where uh he kind of got caught napping a little bit. Like there’s one play in particular that still lives rentree in my head where he’s just kind of in the painted area and Cat just shoots an elbow elbow jumper three. He he just completely misread the coverage. But I think Duran is still kind of learning how to also protect the paint but also deal with a a a center like a cat. And I think that was kind of like his struggle this season is perimeter fives. But he’s only 21. I I think there’s still a lot there to develop. And I’m sure the the coaching staff has uh a lot for him to work on this summer so he can get in even better. I don’t think he’s going to be 22 until like almost the end of 2025. So I mean like there there there’s a lot of uh things to like with Jaylen Durham, but I think we’re both in agreement. front court, backup power forward, possibly looking at, you know, maybe more size at the center position. We love Steu, we love Paul Reed, but we you need a sevenfooter out there to contest and grab rebounds at the end of the day. Yeah. Playing against some of these big front courts and, you know, they definitely want to get back to that. Uh JB’s even talked about that. He said he misses like the um the dynamic of the big man in the NBA where you could kind of just throw it on the block and you know it’s not always just running guns shooting threes. So um you know I think that is something that they could unlock. Um it’s definitely something that would help them tremendously. I want to give credit to Stu too cuz I always I was I’ve been pretty hard on him a lot about that about his finishing and you know his undersized play. Moving him to center was the best thing that could have happened for him. like he even when he wasn’t like shooting threes, like he did a really good job of finishing at the rim, you know, with his left hand, right hand with floaters and even dunking as well. Like he did a really good job of improving in that aspect. And, you know, he showed that he is more sufficient and useful as a backup five more so than a starter in the four or the five position. I just feel like keeping him there kind of limits the ability for Kade to have a lob threat, Ivy to have a lob threat. um you know you you want something to have you know go along with their athleticism especially to play in transition as well to make it a little bit more exciting. So you know it was good to see him you know step into that role and fit you know sufficiently and it was also cool to see we’re talking about during his upgrades while they still do have areas of improvement that are needed for all of the young core. It was good to at least see the flashes there like can Ivy be that consistent jump shooter? We saw it. Can Cade be that all-star, you know, top 10 or like elite level player? We saw it. Can Duran take that step? Um, defensively, we saw it. Can Assar be effective offensively? We saw it. Stew off the bench, you know, what are we going to get from Ron? We saw a little bit of a glimpse or a big glimpse from all the, you know, young foundational players in some way, shape, or form. The next step, make it consistent. That’s it. Yeah. I mean, I I think we got a lot of questions into the season that we had and then we got answers. Like, I think a lot of people, you know, preseason Kade being ranked 67 by ESPN, he’s he’s he’s top 10. Like, what are we doing here? Like, he’s a top 10 NBA player and he took a leap, especially after Jaden Ivy got hurt. He went even deeper in his back to carry the team on his back. Um, you know, Jaden Ivy, you know, being benched last year for Killian Hayes. Had his best career shooting not only from three, but field goal percentage as well in 30 games. Obviously, it sucks that we only got to see him for 30 games, but I I I still feel pretty confident in the back court. And I I know some some people talk about second option, and that’s going to be our next topic. So, immediately after the Pistons got eliminated, uh, former Detroit Lion TJ Lang said that Cade is more of a Robin than he is an actual Batman. So, I kind of want to get your your take on this. Does Cade need a number two option or do you think that the Pistons have that number two option on the roster right now? TJ just I don’t I don’t understand. Before I get to that, yeah, TJ, I don’t know what you’re seeing, man. I think people get really captivated by the late game heroics when they try to make, you know, these kind of analysis of players. Like Jordan and Kobe’s style of play has just ruined so much of basketball. And it’s not their fault, but I think a lot of media members have fallen in love with the Hollywood fourth quarter clutch time that if you don’t deliver, all of a sudden you’re a Robin. No, you’re just wrong. Kane Cuttingham has showed that he’s a Batman level player. And I do believe they have a Robin on their roster already. And I think it’s Jay Nivy. I think it’s a crime that we just haven’t been able to see them together for a full stretch of a season. Just 60, 65, 70 games together. We just unfortunately haven’t seen it yet because of health, bad coaching. Like it’s just unfortunate that we have not seen that dynamic because it clearly works. It clearly works. They’re both very selfless players, very good passers. Even like in the three years that I’ve seen them play together, there’s never been a time where I’ve seen Ivy shooting so much where I say, “De Ivy, can you can you let Kade get a little bit? Can can we spread out a little bit?” Or Kade the same way. Kade, you no chill in the hero ball. Can you get your other guys involved? you don’t really have to worry about what that with how they play. Even with the, you know, teammates that they had like again people were not clamoring or excited, you know, you know, immensely about the idea of, you know, Malik Beasley, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Tobias being those complimentary pieces. They’re good players, but they had different perceptions before the season started. And I think their ability to complement those that young back court the way that they did was fantastic. But I also believe that Ivy has shown that he’s suitable enough to be that number two guy. Like there were times where Ivy was the leading scoreer of the team and Cade was kind of I don’t want to say just getting by, but he was doing enough with just maybe like a 19 point 10 assist kind of night. And that’s okay. If Ivy can give you 20 25 to 30, there’s nothing wrong with that to have that balance. You don’t want to always have Cade having to shoot the ball 20 25 times and carry the water on his own. Like I don’t like seeing that with, you know, where Luca was in Dallas. I didn’t like seeing that with, you know, Ant Edwards, you know, in some stretches with Minnesota. It’s good to have that balance and it’s good to have, you know, that unpredictability with your team. And I think again, while I do think they could use maybe one more just offensive just dynamo in the front court, I think we know for a fact that that back court works, Ivy perfectly complements his game, and he complements the foundation and the identity that JB wants to play with, which is running out of transition, playing on defense. Um, and that’s another upgrade we’re talking about in terms of the um improvements for Ivy. Can he be an effective defender? Yeah, like that game against the Hawks where Kade got the, you know, game-winning left-handed hook and then he blocked the shot at the end. Ivy was matched up against Trey Young and forced him to get rid of the basketball. So, like, yeah, I I think we’ve seen enough from Ivy to kind of know that he’s a building block for the future. And I think he’d be a little bit more dangerous with just one more punch in the front court. But no, to answer the question, Kade is not a Robin type of player. And anybody who thinks that needs to go back and watch the damn film. I feel like a lot of Pistons fans, maybe they’re new Pistons fans because I don’t want to discriminate. I don’t like the gatekeep because I think it’s really weird to gatekeep because I I welcome everyone’s opinions at the end of the day. Mhm. I think some people that watch the Pistons maybe, let’s just say the month of April. Mhm. Maybe they look at Kade and they’re like, you know, his shots aren’t falling. like the the elimination game where he went 0 for 10 from three. I think if you just watch that, maybe you think that, but if you actually watched every game this season, you would know that Kade Cunningham had games where he was the number one option and his teammates knew it. Mhm. Now, Kade does play unselfish to a fault sometimes. True. Kade will look to get his teammates involved because that’s the type of player he is. Mhm. Not saying that he can’t go out and average 35. He could if he wanted to, but the type of basketball player he is, he looks to get everyone involved. And that’s what you want your point guard and the floor general to be. Yep. For the like he’s a Batman for the Kate needs a Robin. He has a Robin. He only played 30 games this year. Was almost averaging 18 points a game. That’s pretty good for a second option if you ask me because Tobias Harris kind of had to slide into that number two option. Y and I don’t think a lot of people consider that. Tobias Harris when Jade Ivy was healthy and out there he was like a third option right every night. Jade Ivy is the the Robin to Kades Batman. He’s the second option. You know, shot 40% from three on five attempts a game. That’s not a small sample size. That’s a pretty good size. Um, and the one game with Ivy, I think a lot of people will point to the Sacramento game. That’s not the game that I want Pistons fans to go back and watch. I want you to go back and watch the game where he came back from injury against Phoenix. That was the most aggressive Jade Ivy I’ve ever seen. Defensively, stripping the ball from Kevin Durant. Bradley Beal was just a dog defensively. Was hitting three-point shot after three-point shot after three-point shot, getting to the lane, getting to the free throw line, and just affecting the game on both ends of the floor. Like there were multiple games this year where Ivy had good defensive games and he was pushing the pace and it was his turn to take over. Um both of these guards won game winners, multiple game winners. Hy in Sacramento. Um then he had one against Toronto when Kade was out. Kade had some gamewinners this year. Like this backcourt can work. I just think sometimes Pistons fans are a little bit impatient and I get it. He just went from 14 wins to 44 wins. So, you kind of want to just put a little bit of fuel and just light that match and see how far this team could go. Like, realistically, Eric, this team could have won 50 games if the ball bounced their way if we’re being honest. Like, I could go down the schedule. I could go to the Bucks game. I could go to several games where this this team could have won 50 games. And that’s crazy to think about. You ain’t wrong about anything you just said. Um, Ivy, a healthy Ivy changes a lot. Again, I I tweeted it during the series. I said, “Hey, a healthy Ivy and Stew. This series could look completely different.” Nick’s Twitter went off. Oh, back to the excuses of of the media, Detroit. It’s not an excuse. It’s just a flatout point that y’all were making when you weren’t healthy last postseason. You were saying the exact same thing. Um, the games that stayed out for me with Ivy was the Philadelphia game early in the season and the Laker game at home where Ivy was showing that when Kade was getting double teamed, he was able to reap the benefits of it. Ivy’s a really good offball cutter. He he draws contact, I think, better than anybody else on the roster. Um, and obviously to complement that with an improved mid-range game and a three-point shot that was at for a good stretch of the time more efficient than Malik Beasley if you looked at the numbers. He was fantastic as a three-level scorer, especially when there was extra attention, you know, on K Cunningham. Not only was he really good at scoring again, he’s a really good passer as well. So when he would make that secondary cut, he can make that second level pass to find Beasley in the corner to find Tim Hardaway, you know, out on the perimeter or to throw a simple lob to Durn. Like that that connection was there. That impact was there by Ivy. And I just think people completely forgot about that. Um I think it it makes sense for why when you’re watching Jaylen Brunson play takeover basketball and then you’re waiting for Kade to kind of do the same thing. Yeah, it looks sexy for a while, but you don’t always want to rely on that. I think it’s easier for Brunson and some of these other guys to play that kind of style when you have to keep somebody on Carl Anthony Towns in the process where you can’t leave Mikuel Bridges open in the process. You can’t leave OG Anobi who played fantastic all series open in the process. Like, they have to stay locked down on those guys. The Pistons opponents didn’t have that same kind of game plan. They were able to keep all their attention on Cade and dare everybody else to beat them and they just weren’t able to do that. Malik Beasy was a little up and down. Tim Hardaway was a little shaky. Um Tobias had some inconsistent moments like it happened. So I think having Ivy on the floor knowing how consistent he was to start the season and how explosive he was to start the season, I just think that was such a huge blow to how they played basketball. Credit to JB Bigger Staff, which is another reason he should have won coach of the year because they were able to change their style completely without their second most important player and still win 44 games and put together an allNBA campaign for their all-star guard in K Cunningham. So, yeah, they they missed Ivy so much and I think he is the clear-cut Robin who can step in and also be a scoring Batman when they need to depending on the matchup. Yeah, I I think they they they’re so polar opposites in terms of just like when when you when you look at a Kade Cunningham and you look at a Jade Ivy, they’re not kind of the same type of prospect that when you’re drafting these players. And I I think that’s what works. And I I see a comment from, you know, Mr. Literude. He’s a longtime subscriber. Said, “I don’t see what others see in Ivy unless he’s improving on certain elements of his game.” This is what I’ll say because this is a fair question. Jade Nivy has improved each year. Now it might be it not it might not be like a drastic improvement but you can see improvement. I thought in his second season um defensively there were some improvements in the second half of the season. I thought this year um he did get caught under ball screens quite a bit but as the season went on he got better. he was fighting over the top of screens and it it it kind of gave you a little bit of confidence where you’re like, “Okay, he he’s starting to figure it out.” Um the three-point shot, he was not known as a three-point shooter coming out of college. Like when he was shooting 40% from three, I remember scrolling the timeline like, “Yo, if Ivy can shoot 40% from three, like Pistons are going to be the problem come playoff time because you have Kate having the ball in his hands and if if Ivy’s that open man shooting 40% from three, like teams are going to have to, you know, respect his jump shot.” Um, and I I think that’s what I see out of Jaden Ivy. Eric, I don’t know about you. Yeah, I think to me even when you look back at his college stats, like he was shooting um I think in his like second season, what was it? I feel like he was like around 36%. So it wasn’t even so much as the numbers to his jump shot or his three-point shooting. It was the mechanics that people had such question about and that is fixed. If you look at his jump shot from his college uh sophomore season to what it looks like now, it’s night and day completely. And I feel like he did a great job in improving in that. I’m not really Yeah, I don’t know what if he wants to comment or what the improvements he wants to see from Ivy. I’m all ears to find out. But I was sold on Ivy last season just based on everything he had to go through. Like again, I I’ve said it before, if Ivy would have crashed out in the media and said, “Hey, I mean, they just don’t believe in me. I don’t really know what my role is. I wasn’t expecting any of this.” Nobody would have been shocked or upset to hear him voice that publicly and like kind of rebel against whatever Monty Williams was coaching in the process. But he was able to just keep his head down, say, “Hey, whatever they need me to do, I’mma still be Ji was the direct quote he gave before the season started. And when he was put back in the starting lineup or even coming off the bench, the flashes were there. Obviously, when he got more playing time and was consistently next to Kade in the starting lineup, we saw the improvements and we saw more of the flashes. Like he had a 30point outbreak against the Pacers one game where he was fantastic. I think Kade was right along the same line statistically. Um I I just feel like if you like again for for young players, obviously their their game is is so predicated in a lot of their development of okay, can they develop the jumper? Can they develop defensively? To me, I was sold on just the mindset. The fact that he wasn’t, you know, putting his head down and sulking. He was there trying to pick his team up, trying to make things work throughout all the adversity they were going through through a an an unbelievably terrible losing streak and everything else that they had to go through. He was still every day trying to show up, pick his team up, trying to improve his game. And he did it in a mature fashion. We didn’t see any social media posts of him, you know, like subweeting or subosting anybody or anything like that. We didn’t see any of that kind of immaturity. We’ve seen that from other players around the league. He was, you know, mature enough to rise above that, which I mean, I don’t want to get too much into it. I saw a video of him reflecting on a lot of things he went through as a child that molded his maturity. If you guys haven’t seen it, I really really advise you go check that out because I was super impressed and super proud to see what he was able to talk about as a man and what led to things like his religious beliefs and a lot of other stuff. So that adds to me to his mental, you know, toughness as a basketball player. And I don’t have any other questions about him. I think Ivy is the guy. He fits next to Cade and I really hope the Pistons see that through. I really do. I I I’ll say this and then we can go on to the next topic. I think of the half court that’s where you miss Jade Ivy the most. The half court offense got exposed. Yes. In the playoffs. Like if Jade Ivy was out there, I don’t think New York doubles as much. I don’t think they would have the luxury of doubling as much. If he was healthy in the playoffs, the half court sets I think would have been run a little bit more smoothly. And I think that’s where you miss him so much. Um, I can understand some fans maybe they don’t get to watch each and every game and that’s understandable. Um, but, you know, watching him since he’s gotten drafted, I’ve seen dramatic um, improvements, especially with the shot, you mentioned it, like the mechanics of his shot have improved. And it’s it’s not so much the mechanics, it’s the release. The release is so much quicker where he can get that shot off like that. Like in his rookie year, it was a lot slower and it was very blockable. I I think the coaching staff and Fred Vincent have done an incredible job and also Jade Ivy as well because we know just the type of work ethic he has. He puts he spends a lot of time in the gym. So I if I were to, you know, bet stock on a player developing even more, it’s Jaden Ivy because I know how much work uh he puts in. I remember Trejan’s first week here. is like, “Yeah, we have to lock the doors cuz Jaden Ivy’s like staying here like five, six hours working on a game.” Like the the the stuff that maybe, you know, everyday fans don’t get to see. Uh, you know, I I hear about Jade Ivy’s work ethic and like what a dog he is and, you know, what a, you know, good player he is on and off the court. So, um, I’m always going to bet on a guy like that that wants to better uh, not only, you know, his playing style, but like the stuff he does in the community as well. So, um, that’s why I’m so high on Jade. I mean, I’m sure you’re the same way. 100%. Yeah, I got to talk to his dad um you know during the offseason and throughout the season as well. You know, he talked about how him and Cade worked together, you know, to kind of improve on some things. And I love that quote, too, where Trey just said that during media day where they said they had to lock the gym and get Ivy out of there because he was trying to do too much. But I mean, that just shows, you know, the how hungry that this team is. Kade talked about it where he said basically everybody on this roster has a chip on their shoulder in some way, shape or form based on what we went through last season, based on what they went through throughout their careers. The vets as well. Everybody had some kind of chip on their shoulder and a lot of that hunger was validated based on the steps that we saw them take and a lot of those steps were taken early as well. Even if it didn’t come with wins, you know, losing what I think the first like what four or five games that they lost until they played the Sixers on the road. um you know they were still trying to fight. They were you know keeping their head high. They weren’t you know trying to get too low and once the wind started clicking I think everything else kind of made sense from there. So we saw the young foundation of this team not just play well but play winning Detroit basketball together and that was the most important thing coming into the season. Yeah. I mean, I I think that maybe goes a little bit unnoticed because he was out for, you know, the last 40 or so games and including the playoffs, but right, um, I did want to stick with Kate Cunningham and I I saw this couple of weeks ago. I did I didn’t get to uh talk about it last podcast, but I wanted to talk with you about it. So, Carmemelllo Anthony says he wants to work with Kate, and I want to kind of spin this question. What area do you think Carmemelllo Anthony could help Cade with the most? That’s a really good question. Um, because I see a lot of I don’t say I see a lot of similarities, but in terms of their body type, their ability to operate as a three-level score, I think Melo could unlock a lot. I think what would help the most is his finishing. Cade struggled a lot with like his floater finishing around the rim consistently. Um, you know, and it obviously wasn’t still getting enough free throws, you know, as he should have, but I think his finishing, um, especially late in games, I think is going to be a big difference for him. Um, you know, Melo saw his healthy number of double teams, um, you know, when he was with the Nuggets, when he was with the Knicks, um, basically everywhere in his career. And I think Melo will be able to kind of help him with that footwork of being a quick decisive scoreer where sometimes Cade would dribble a little bit too long and you know it would give defenses a little bit more time to collapse on him. I think Melo will do a good job of helping Kade be a better finisher and get a quick release jumper or you know at least an attack against his opponent to you know get them off balance right away instead of waiting. Um, you know, they did a good job at times of getting Kade off ball and letting Assar or Dennis Schroer bring the ball up and then let Kade play off ball from there. And there were a lot of times where he would post up around, you know, the mid block and, you know, isolated work from there, which was kind of, you know, Melo’s bread and butter. So, I think that would also be, you know, pretty helpful to see. Um, like you say, Kade could be a 30, you know, point score if he wanted to. He doesn’t have to be because I think passing is the best part of his game. But I do think that scoring, you know, deadliness to be able to, you know, be a just a nightmare matchup one-on-one just opens up so much. Now, granted, I think that could still be limited if the amount of help around him isn’t there. Like, if Ivy’s not healthy or if they don’t bring in another, you know, Dynamo score, we’re going to see this extra attention for Cade for a long time. And I really think Tan Lane understands that that has to be priority number one to make sure that teams can’t just overload on Cade and, you know, do whatever they want to do from that regard. So, um, I I don’t know. I think Melo with Cade in an offseason would be fantastic for him. Um, you know, I just think it would unlock so much of his scoring, you know, his footwork in the post. Um, you know, his ability to get to the free throw line. I just think Melo could teach him a lot. And I really like this side of Carmelo. I’ve been a big fan of him since he was, you know, a rookie and even back in Syracuse to see him kind of step up as big brother even in the garden where he was beloved. Um I I just think it’s really cool to see him embrace this part of his career and his life and I think Kay will be a huge beneficiary of it. I know Carmelo on his podcast talked about like Kay just needs that, you know, onetwo punch. Yeah. And when I was listening to him say that, like Kate does have a little bit of post moves, but I think Carmelo could like really redefine and polish that to a point where maybe Kade has one to two, one, two, or maybe even three post moves, like go-to moves that he can just score on anybody and doesn’t matter whether it’s a big or a point guard. And I I I think that’s where Melo could help Cade uh with a lot. But Eric, I’m going to be honest with you. The amount of people when they saw this quote, the negativity with it, I was surprised. Given how, this is a completely different topic. Given how how many Pistons fans wanted Melo over Darko, it’s like, nah, we don’t want Cade working with Melo. He’s got poor work ethic. Uh we we don’t want him working with Melo. We don’t want him to develop bad habits. He’s just trying to get Kade out of out of Detroit and go to New York. Like some of this like crazy off-the-wall stuff. I’m sorry. That guy’s one of the best scorers in NBA history. Yes. Like if Kate wants to work with Carmelo Anthony, let him because he can teach him a lot of stuff. Uh especially in the post. uh you know, one-on-one isolation scoring. I mean, I I think some Pistons fans maybe they didn’t get to watch Carmelo that much. Maybe they’re just they just watch Pistons games. That’s it. Like Carmemelllo in his prime, man. Like, good lord. Like, that guy could score on anyone. Didn’t matter who the hell it was. Um and I I think he can definitely uh learn that way. Maybe he he he can learn of, you know, how to kind of like elbow people without uh the ref seeing it. Cuz any podcast I watch, I was watching the Stanley Johnson podcast the other day saying like Melo is his toughest guard and he’s like the next day I’m icing up my whole body just because how physical he plays. Like I want Kade to kind of be like that physical, you know, type of prolific scorer that Melo could help him, you know, with develop his game because like if Kade is just making the opponent sore after each and every game, like I think that’s really crucial come playoff time uh for him and that’s what you want to see, especially where a lot of his I don’t want to say a lot of his scoring, but some of his scoring kind of dipped towards the fourth quarter because you would see him play a little bit tired based on how much extra attention that he was getting. But yeah, if you’re able to beat up your, you know, opponent in the post, especially off the toutelage of somebody like Carmemelllo Anthony, that’s going to make him an absolute monster. There’s a reason guys like Kobe Bryant called Melo the toughest cover of his entire career. I look at like to me like I call Melo like if you had a a Mount Rushmore of guys who were just triple threat nightmares like you give it to him in the post, you know, he’s got the ball in the triple threat position. I think Melo’s one of the best players ever to be at that triple threat position. Like he was an absolute monster. And it wasn’t just um you know his jump shot or a fadeaway. He was getting to the rim too. And again he was playing small forward. He was what 69 played about like 240 250. He was a big boy. And K Cunningham is a huge point guard who’s in shape very strong himself and is going to put on more muscle heading into next season. So, if there’s I I I don’t see a better person for him to learn from in terms of retired players. Like, I feel like he is a perfect guy to kind of teach and coach, you know, some of that footwork that he could, you know, upgrade and work on. I also think that I wish he was still alive. I think Kobe would have been a really good person for Kade to learn from, too, because I feel like he’s kind of that same ilk for the way that Kobe used to play in terms of attacking and in terms of his preparation um as a basketball player. I think this is a match made in heaven for him. Even um I feel like uh what’s his name? Rondo. I think Rondo talked about what it’ll work with Kade as well. Those are two of the perfect ah perfect right too. Oh cute. I feel like those are two of the most perfect names that could help Kade in terms of finishing as a scorer, working on turnovers as a passer, you know, being a floor general as a point guard. Those are two of the best names that he could work with. And I feel like we’d see an immediate improvement that will put him in those kind of elite level MVP kind of conversations as soon as next season. Yeah. I mean, anytime you have two former players that when I was growing up watching, they were at the top of their games. Like Arajan Rondo was just such a floor general for the Boston Celtics and throughout his career. like Kade could definitely learn, you know, passing angles from Rondo, pick and rolls, uh how to manipulate defenses. I think Rondo would be such a a really big uh you know, mentor for him to learn, uh because especially with, you know, the the turnovers this year. Obviously, he’s a high usage guard. He’s going to have turnovers, but if Rondo can kind of give him some pointers of like how to pass the ball without it being a turnover, I think it would be a plus. and you know getting to be a mentor uh you know by Carmelo Anthony I mean you know Cade with the jab step you know Cade with just like a go-to move in the post like Melo said if he had a one-two post move he’d be unstoppable like no one would be would be able to guard him like he he he uh mentioned like an Andre Miller who it’s a throwback like he used to work in the post he mentioned the Johny Bellups like those guys used to love to kind of back down work in the post and just you know make their opposing um opponent tired down low, but like I I think I’d love to see Melo work with Kada. I’ve also liked to see Rajan Rondo. I remember that uh episode on Run It Back with FanDuel. So, um a lot of these greats see how good Kate is and they want to work with him to make them even better, which I absolutely love to hear and um see. Uh do you have anything more you want to add to that conversation or are you good? If he could find one more name to kind of help him with that three-point shot, I would love that, too. Seeing seeing Cad’s three-point numbers dip the way they did after Ivy, you know, went out really sucked to see. Like, he was he was really playing with a lot of confidence. Like, I’m even going back to like I think it was the Kings game on the road where, you know, he puts up the three on the uh you know, in front of somebody and then he’s screaming before the ball even goes in because he knew it was going to drop. That confidence wasn’t there. basically after the All-Star break. So, I don’t know if we need to go holl at Drewuski or whoever it was that ruined his three-point shot, but that was that was that was tough to see. Hopefully, you know, he can find that rhythm and consistency because, you know, you you can’t see him go 0 for seven or 0 for eight, you know, win game six of a playoff streak. You can’t see it. He’s got to find some kind of comfort. You know, he don’t ever have to be Steph Curry, but he should never be in he should never be for or just struggling consistently from finding that rhythm in a three-point uh spot. So, you know, someone else can help him. I I think Melo was like what, maybe a 35 36% uh career three-point shooter. If you can help him with that, too, that would be great. Um cuz yeah, that that would also unlock so much more out of Kad’s game. Yeah, I mean, even like, you know, assistant coach Fred Vid, I feel like he could definitely, you know, help help help Kate a little bit more. But I also think like the the three-point performance in, you know, the last two games was just tired legs at the end of the day. Yeah. Cuz he had the ball in his hand so much. like his usage rate was like up there with Joic. It was like absolutely ridiculous of how much he had the ball. I think I saw a graphic where he had 400 possessions per game or something like that in his hand, which is just like absolutely like crazy. And it kind of shows you like how bad he needed like a second option next to him or a secondary like creator. Um, but I did want to kind of stick with the playoffs and and the regular season as a whole. So, what do you think the biggest learning experience was this season and in the postseason? I think the biggest experience that they learned is the little details matter so much. Like I remember like even just brief moments where like Assar would like he was guarding Brunson and I think he looked away for like two seconds, not even two seconds and Brunson had the ball in his hand and he immediately darts to the lane and you know blows right by him. I feel like those little details matter and mean so much and can change so much in a series in a game. um we kind of saw it be, you know, fixed in terms of their regular season. In the regular season, they really really struggled in the beginning of the year to close games in the fourth quarter. They were terrible at it the first like maybe 10, 15 to 20 games, but they did a really good job of finding a rhythm, um, finding a way to play with the lead and find a way to respond to runs, leaning on defense, leaning on transition buckets, and, you know, leaning to their identity as well, instead of, you know, trying to play keep up, which a lot of other teams do. Like if you’re playing against a team like the Celtics, oh, they’re shooting 33 threes. We got to get 33 threes up, too. the Pistons did a really good job of sticking to what works for them and playing their game. So, if they find the ability to kind of hone in on the consistency and the repetition of those little details like fighting over screens, blocking out to make sure you’re limiting the opportunity of an offensive rebound, um you know, turnovers, you know, just simple little things like that. Just those little kind of details I think come with time and just repetition which they already were finding a way to develop before Ivy’s injury. So again, even without that, they were still able to push the Knicks to six games, lose a game that kind of came down to officiating more so than them just being outplayed by another team. Like I don’t care what Nick’s Twitter was saying. Like y’all can be proud of your win, but you can’t stamp and say that you just outplayed the Pistons all six games. That didn’t happen. those little things came into, you know, came into play that inexperience came into play and they were just in little spurts in like moments where Brunson was able to show why he was clutch player of the year. Um or why, you know, Cat was able to take advantage of certain mismatches or certain things like that. Um I think that was the biggest experience. Obviously, I think depth matters as well because you Yeah, you Kade was 100% playing tired by the end of the year, you know, by the end of that postseason run. you could just tell he wasn’t playing or shooting with the same lift. You know, he wasn’t dunking as often as we saw him do, you know, earlier in the year in the middle of the season. Um, you I just think those are the biggest takeaways and I think they have enough continuity within their roster to build on that and be a bigger force and threat in the postseason next year. Yeah, I I I I think you’re right there with the attention to detail. I I think two areas where they’re going to learn from is boxing out because for a a team that collectively rebounded the basketball pretty well, there were so many times, especially in the playoffs and in the regular season, where they would just look to see who was going to rebound the ball. Y like they didn’t crash the glass collectively. Um and I I think that’s an area of improvement for them. I also think turnovers are a huge thing where not every turnover I I think is equal. I think there are certain turnovers where you’re watching it and you’re like why did you try to force a pass when there’s three guys in a lane right now. I think it’s little stuff like that where like they could have easily, you know, instead of winning a game by three points, they could have won the game by 10 points. also think free throws collectively as a team uh they they they could have got better. Like when I saw Malik Beasley shooting over 40% from three and like barely 70% from the free throw line, it made no sense to me. Um, but I think those are three areas in improvement with this team that where they can work on it this off season of, you know, being more conscious of crashing the glass. Uh, taking better care of the basketball and just, you know, attention to detail and also locking in. Don’t lock in in the second and third quarter. Like when the game starts at seven, be ready at seven. Uh, there’s two plays specifically I’m thinking of in terms of boxing out. The Mikuel Bridges tip back in game six was huge. That that t like you don’t get to Brunit’s jump shot without that tip in by him. And then there was another play they had. I think it was the same game, maybe game four. Um I don’t know if it was Bridges or um Brunson that missed the shot. They missed a three and then um I think it was Schroeder and Assar that were just staring at the ball and it just landed thinking, “Oh, you’re going to get it. You’re going to get it.” like it didn’t seem like they had any kind of activity to go get the ball and I think Josh Hart was able to come off and get it and then they scored on the second chance opportunity. That was huge for them. And I’m so happy you said free throws. There was a stretch where Cade and Ivy were shooting under 80% from the from the free throw line before the All-Star break. Completely unacceptable for those two. That is a huge point emphasis they need to work on. Um it’s even the veterans too. Like I think Tim Hardaway missed a lot of huge uh free throws in some certain stretches. Beasley missed a lot. Like it was some guys you just wouldn’t be expecting to kind of be I want to say like a hindrance, but they were just missing very important free throws in huge stretches of these kind of games. The Knicks were not doing that. You know, even like when they were doing the Hacker Robinson, he was able to at least get you one. He was able to at least get you one free throw out of that. So yeah, they those are those are huge points. I’m glad you brought free throws into the fold, too. Those are those are big disciplined kind of moments and shots that they need to find a way to be consistent with. I I I’m not expecting them to shoot 100% from the free throw line. That’s that’s that’s that’s just that’s unrealistic. But like when Assara was getting to the line as much as he was getting in the in the playoffs against the Knicks, I was like, man, like even if you you hit like 70% 75% uh this that game would have been over. they would have been up 10 cuz he got to the free throw line so much and he was attacking and the Knicks really didn’t know what to do, right? But I I think free throws maybe kind of go unnoticed by by the fans, but like obviously rebounding I I think is very important. Defensive rebounding I think offensive rebounding they actually do a pretty good job of, you know, crashing the glass and not rebounding. But I mean if they can improve on those areas and learn from it this season, I I think it’ll be a success. and the coaching staff that they have, I think they’re probably on these guys’ ass like every day with like boxing out and like if Dur Stew gets like taken out of a play, no one else collectively tries to rebound the basketball. It’s like the wildest thing to me. It’s like they’ll be under the basket and then they’re just kind of looking and I see Kade and Ron try to go for a rebound when it’s like almost to half court and it’s just like you guys got to do a way better job of just trying to crash the glass and go up for those rebounds. Like don’t be afraid to try to go for a rebound at the end of the day. makes me appreciate Andre Drummond even more because like you never saw that when he was here at all. No one was getting a rebound whenever it was anywhere in his range. Remember the Carmel Anthony, I got it. I got it here. That’s what Trey was like that if it was in my rage I’m going to get it. Um you know Dur did a pretty good job of improving that over the season especially in the postseason as well that he did a good job of fighting for extra possessions. Um, but yeah, if they want to be the team that hones in on playing in transition and, you know, maximizing their biggest strength, which is their speed and athleticism, you have to box out every single time. One of the biggest points I made before the series started was don’t let Josh Hart be the best role player this series. If he’s the best role player by a wide margin, you have no chance of winning this series. Yeah, he was doing a really good job of crashing the glass, but he was getting in foul trouble a lot, too, trying to keep up with Cade and even guarding Assar in certain stretches as well, which, you know, kind of limited his production in certain stretches. So, that’s definitely a huge emphasis that they need to focus on. And I you’re right, I think they got the perfect coaches to make sure that that’s not going to be a point of emphasis or issue heading into next season. Yeah. Or, you know, maybe you add someone in free agency that has a little bit more size in the front court and you don’t have to worry about rebounds as much. You never know at the end of the day. So, we have uh one more topic and obviously this news happened a couple of weeks ago, but I’m just getting around to talking it now because I’ve kind of wanted to have my thoughts because both of these guys uh played a role with the Detroit Pistons. So, Joe Dumars got hired very quickly, I might add. So they they move on from David Griffin, which I’m happy for Joey’s getting another opportunity. But Eric, if you would have told me Troy Weaver and Joe Dum Mars for working in the front office, I would have called you a liar. I was really surprised uh by the hire. Uh I want to know what you think though, like what are your thoughts of not only Joe Dumar’s and right were working in the front office for the Pelicans next to the Luca trade of reports? I didn’t believe that was at the top of the list. I’m like, “No, there’s there’s no way that this is real.” Like, if Dumar was there by himself, like, “All right, cool. That makes sense.” Bringing Weaver with him just was hilariously unbelievable to me. Um, Weaver, I feel like, is never going to get out of a rebuild. I think he is just determined to be in a rebuilding situation just for the rest of his career at this point. Um, and even with Dumar, I mean, granted, he did a good job, you know, putting together the 04 roster, but kind of after that, he struggled with keeping it afloat. So, I feel like this is going to be a very challenging situation for them. Even if they do get that number one pick, I feel like you got to find out something to do with Zion. Um, you got to figure out a way to keep a lot of your guys healthy and, you know, keep the right components, you know, in position for them because they were I I didn’t think they were going to struggle to the amount that they did. Like I thought they would at least be in the play or like kind of hovering around that area to see that them, you know, struggled the way they did even with the injuries and whatnot. I was just surprised the step back that they took. And now that Joe D and Troy Weaver are leading the charge to rebuild it, I I don’t know. I’m a little nervous about what things go I’m going try to tap in with Pelican Twitter to see how they feel about it. But I don’t know. I the Zion thing is going to be the biggest, you know, benchmark to see how what direction they go in. you know, the other guys, you can kind of live with whatever decisions they make, but what they do with Zion is going to be the biggest point of emphasis, and I think it’s going to be the biggest stamp of what their tenure is going to be like in that uh in that franchise. So, with Joe going to New Orleans, it makes sense because he kind of grew up like around that um area. I know uh Truth Over Emotions mentions that. Um and I I think that’s a great point. the Troy Weaver thing. The only thing I could think of is I think collectively we can both agree Joe Dumar’s was not a great drafter and I think that’s where Troy can kind of assist him in that way. Like outside of Taan Prince like there was a lot of draft misses in my in my personal opinion. Obviously like Andre Drummond for like where you’re at was pretty good. Uh Brandon Knight I mean Greg Monroe I mean I don’t even want to like go down to the later years. I mean, I could keep going um and just torture Pistons fans, but I don’t want to do that. Let’s move on. Let’s let’s just be a safe and healthy space at the end of the day. I respect Joe D, though, man. He he brought three championships uh to the Detroit Pistons. Felt like he could have brought more if he would have drafted the right players around the around the teams that he did have. Um I I I think Troy will do a pretty good job of, you know, identifying talent and, you know, getting the Pelicans at least on the right track. I I did actually have the opportunity to talk to one of my buddies that does cover the Pelicans and they’re pissed off. They’re they’re they’re so pissed off because they have a cheap owner that doesn’t want to spend money because they own the New Orleans Saints and the Pelicans. Um they weren’t so much mad at the Jod D hire. They were more mad at the process that that’s the only person that was reported of, you know, getting interviewed. And I guess Joe D is like kind of chummy with the owner friends. So I guess it’s kind of like a nepatism thing at the end of the day. I mean like we know nepotism better than anybody. I mean like there’s tons of nepotism in the Detroit Pistons front office. Uh weaver. Yeah. Yeah. Even going back to Weaver. Tons of nepotism. Um I I have to give Troy credit. He did lay the foundation. a lot of the core guys that helped the Pistons win this season for Troy Weaver draft picks. Now, Detroit Troy hit on every draft pick. No, I mean, I think the Killian draft pick is probably his biggest stain and his his tenure. Um, not to say that Killian was a bad player, just mentally it just wasn’t there. And then you have guys like, you know, a Hallebertton, you know, Desmond Bane. Uh, Stu was a good draft pick obviously. Um, and the other draft picks obviously like I don’t really give him too much credit for Kade. I think anyone would pick Kade in that draft at the end of the day. I think me and you would probably both draft Kade, but uh it’ll be interesting to see what direction New Orleans goes in because like there’s reports that like Jod D has to trade Zion. Like that was a a pres preeuate for him to actually take the job. You have to trade Zion Williamson. Did you see that uh trade that FanDuel put out today? I did. Yep. I definitely saw that. Yeah. I mean like for Pistons fans that haven’t seen it. I mean like there this is offseason content if I’ve ever seen one. Eric and this is just getting started too. It’s going to be a lot of these trade machine ideas to see what they could do. I don’t I don’t think Zion stays. I think they’re going to get rid of him. Um where he goes is the question. Who wants to take on his risk is a good, you know, question to ask. But it’s it’s going to be tied to the Pistons all off season until something happens. I mean, just off the strength of Langden’s um you know, history with New Orleans, obviously now with Jod D and Weaver being there, do each other a solid, see what they can put together a workout. Um it’s going to be very interesting. Um I think, yeah, I’m one of those people who likes to give Weaver a little bit more credit for his drafting, you know, going to get Duran the way he did. Um you know, picking up Assar, who I don’t think was a slam dunk pick at number five. Like people act like, “Oh, it was an obvious.” No, it wasn’t. like people had him as low as like towards the bottom of 10 like in that draft. So, you know, I’ll give him his credit for what he did. It was everything else he did around it. Like constantly going after um these reclamation projects, constantly going after these centers who, you know, are just not ready to play. Um, even the the wings that got like the Alec Burks of the world, Bo Yan who was hurt for a while and not really much of a defender. Like he didn’t have the ability like a Treasan did who said, “Oh, no. These are the kind of athletic guys that can buy in on a two-way effort to really, you know, maximize the potential of their foundation.” That’s where they kind of separate. I’ll definitely give him his credit as a drafter and it definitely should help J. you know, maybe they, you know, get lucky, get a guy like Dylan Harper to kind of change their, you know, their trajectory, but Zion is the most important thing out of all of that. And I’m very intrigued to see what happens and where he goes. Yeah, I saw this trade and and like here’s here’s my thing with Zion. I never question the talent. It’s just the availability, of course. like this trade actually like for the Piston side it’s not that bad but I think the Pelicans would want more personally. I think the Pelicans say no like if this was actually proposed because I mean I I see like Zion for Giannis talks right now. I don’t know about you but like that’s what I’m seeing right now. Like I could see Zion going to the Miami Heat. Maybe Miami gets a little freaky and blows it up. Like there there’s just so many like situations where I think he can go. I I I think the Detroit Pistons uh are going to make a big move. They’re positioned to make a big move. I just don’t think it’s going to be right now. Um I could be wrong there, but I I think the way the contracts are lined up and the way the front office has talked about not rushing steps, I I think this year was a big evaluation year, now they have a lot of answers. Um, and now it’s up to Trejan to, you know, work his magic again and, you know, try to find, you know, value guys like he did with, you know, Malik, you know, trading acquaints for Tim Hardway Jr., maximizing the talent that they have because, um, Tjan to me, I think, has a pretty good eye for what the Pistons need, like getting Dennis Schroer for absolutely nothing. Yeah, man. You would have thought he played for the Detroit Pistons for 10 years. Like, he fit like a damn glove, bro. U who knows what happens in New Orleans. Who freaking knows? But um it it’s their problem, not ours. I I will though be paying close attention to see um if it’s just a disaster tear down rebuild or they try to retool and try to sell the fans the playin tournament. Yeah, I think Trajan is I think he’s pretty happy about what the result was knowing that, you know, hey, we were able to make this work with these additions. So, while it could help to bring a Zion level player or maybe a star level, you know, tier player, couldn’t, you know, change a lot of their fortune, they don’t necessarily feel like they have to do that right away. Like, they’re in a timeline right now where these guys are still young. Iivey’s, you know, recovering from an injury. Dur is still a baby. Like, there’s a lot of, you know, patience that’s still afforded that you don’t have to rush into immediately. Like if if they, you know, get back to the postseason and just win the first round and lose in the second, that’s a step forward. Like I don’t feel like the Pistons are in a position right now where they’re looking like the Knicks were where they traded everything to, you know, cash in on bringing Cat in, bringing Muel Bridges in, even bringing in OG to go with Brunson. Um, you know, they don’t have to make those kind of sacrifices at this moment. Zion would be somebody that would purge a lot of those, you know, a lot of those resources that they have within the franchise. Um, I think stylistically it would work. Again, if he’s healthy and on the floor, it would work. I think it would be a fantastic fit for this team. But you would just have to give up so much and change so much. And based on the locker room, based on what they did this season in terms of their I don’t even say overachieving, but the way that they were able to exceed expectations, I feel like they’re very patient with what they’re seeing in terms of their roster building. And I don’t think they’re trying to go full throttle in a move like that. And I completely understand that thought process. Yeah, I was I was looking at like FanDuel’s post because like they they had so many um they had players kind of like listed to like which they they wanted to um I’m trying to pull it up right now. Give me a second. Okay. Actually went on their tag cuz some of the players that they had in the post I was like, “Yo, like I know you guys are just trying to run an Instagram account right now. I get it. I understand it. Um I’m trying to find it. Good lord. This is terrible podcasting by me, by the way. I apologize, you guys. I’m trying to find They just got out of the playoffs. It’s okay. They’ll be They’ll deal with it. Yeah. I don’t know. Like, did they delete the post already? There’s no way. No, they didn’t. Okay, here it is. They They just post so much. So, who should the Pistons trade for this summer? Listen to this list. Giannis, Kevin Durant, Zion Williamson, Lori Markin, John Morant, Joel Embiid. Oh god, some of those names I like, but a lot of those names I hate. Like I it’s crazy the top of that list. Yeah, Zion and J possibly being like top contenders and being traded out soon is is shocking. Not shocking based on where things are now, but you know, based on how they were built, you know, when they were drafted is kind of crazy that both of them could be out of here as soon as the next two years. It really is like I I’d be lying to you if I said KD and Cade wouldn’t just be crazy. I would kind of I would kind of sell my fandom for two years of KD. If I’m being honest, I really would, man. like Kade Kade playing next to Kevin Durant, but like I don’t want it to implode cuz every team KD’s gone to recently has just rebuilt and imploded. I I’ve just enjoyed watching KD from afar for years. Lori Markin though, I’m being honest. That’s the perfect stretch for the pair next to Durant and Cade. But man, that price is going to be steep. You ain’t getting them. You ain’t getting them for like cheap because Danny H is just he’s a true GM. Um but all the other names like Joel Embiid I’m good. I don’t think No, I I don’t think Joel Embiid is going to be playing basketball for too much longer. That knee reminded me of It reminded me of Blake Griffin’s injury like a lot when when I saw him play I think it was the ESPN game when Kade was sitting out and the thing was like wrapped all the way up to his thigh and he had no mobility and he couldn’t move. Yeah. I was like, “Yeah, I don’t think Embiid’s going to be playing basketball for too much longer.” I think he’s he’s he’s personally cooked. Yeah. I I don’t And I don’t see how many other teams would be interested in taking that on knowing knowing that Zion gives effort on both sides of the ball. He’s still explosive and and just he he’s I don’t know. They’re just not the same kind of player to based on what they would need. Embiid is a guy that kind of needs everything predicated around him and knowing how bad his injuries have been and just have been continuously. Yeah, I can see him hanging it up, you know, within the next few years. That wouldn’t surprise me at all based on what he’s done. I know. I I’ve seen they didn’t mention him in that graphic, but I keep seeing Jiren Jackson Jr. like crazy. And I get it, you guys. I get it. Michigan State. Yep. He’s the archetype that you want, but I mean, you guys want to talk about a big that doesn’t rebound. Terrible. Karen Jackson Jr. is allergic to rebounding at times. Yes, you guys would be crashing out. One, you crash out because you’d look at the contract, be like, why are we paying this guy this much money, but he’s the archetype that you want. He’s a front court player that can stretch the floor. Uh, defensively, he can lock in, but I kind of think he’s progressed a little bit. And I don’t know if that’s because of the Memphis situation with Taylor Jenkins, um, you know, the distractions with the media. I don’t know what it is. Maybe a change of January could be, you know, good for him. But like the only like big that I would actually like and he’s actually going to go into his second year next year is like I’d call Miami to see what they want for Khilar. Like that’s where I’m at. Okay. Like that. That’s a guy that I was really high on the draft last year. He’s a stretch He’s a stretch five sevenfooter. Can block shots. Miami might be going through a retooling or a rebuild. I’d call Miami to see what they want for a cloear because I I think would be really intriguing. I mean, you want to you could you could put him at power forward. You could put him at a um center if you want. I mean like that’s what they were doing for majority of the season. They were putting Bam at the four and Keller at the five. Uh because he can just like really stretch out defense. But I I keep an eye on Miami to see uh what they do. I don’t want Tyler Hero, by the way, because I just saw someone say, “Go get Tyler Herro.” Hell no. No, we don’t want Tyler. No, I I I don’t I don’t I don’t want the guy from Toy Story on my team. No. Sid from Toy Story. I like I like where that’s a good idea. I’m not mad at that at all. Again, I want them to find maybe if they’re not as big as a Lori marketed like to me. Like I wouldn’t be mad if they like would have Again, I’m not sure how available these guys are. Not I’m talking in terms of their play style and based on where their team is, I can see them possibly loading things up soon. If you know the Kings, you know, maybe wanted to fish around Keegan Murray for some reason, like they just wanted to, you know, completely reset because they got to retool a lot of names, he would be somebody I really like. Really a lot of guys from that class in general. Jabari and Houston, for some reason, it’s just not clicking with them for some reason. Like I Right away, perfect. I’m just getting the comments. Um, no, I I think there’s something there with him. I feel like a lot of these names are guys that are, you know, maybe just a one coach away to unlocking a few different things. I don’t think Jared Jackson is one of those guys, though, because he didn’t have bad coaching in Memphis, I don’t believe. Um, like he was able to be their number one guy, you know, while Jaw was hurt, get himself an all-star nod, you know, the defensive player of the year. He’s shown that he’s a very capable, you know, player on both sides, but you should never be questioning his ability to rebound, you know, as your anchor in the middle. Like that that’s just not going to fly, especially on a JB Baker staff team. Um, yeah, Jabari is a name I really like. I’ve talked about Cam Johnson a lot. Um, and then Keegan Mur, like I just feel like those kind of fours who again, they’re not stars, but I feel like the way they play kind of fills in that perfect need. They basically kind of remind me just of young Tobias Harris’s to be totally honest with you. Like I think the way they play is perfect for his kind of style to send him to the bench and then let those guys be the two-way players you need who can also create their own shot and play good defense on the other end as well. Yeah. I mean honestly I I feel like there’s a lot of disgruntled like borderline like borderline role players that could possibly be turned into all stars. I think there’s several like one player that isn’t on Sacramento is Keon Ellis who’s a guard. Yeah. Who is just a dog. Um I want to do like one more question. This is a super chat from Bear which I didn’t even see you uh donate this so I appreciate you. Um what would it take for you to consider this great off season for the Pistons? What point should the front office pursue pursue superstars to pair with Cade? Um, I think what would consider a great off seasonason for the Pistons would be getting Beasley back on an affordable deal. Overpaying, I think, would be very, very troublesome because I like Beasley a lot. I love the energy he brings. I love his shooting prowess. I love, you know, what he’s grown to be even as a scorer. Like, I don’t even think he’s strictly just a shooter. like I think he did a really good job of growing as like, you know, an attacker and floating, you know, jumpers over the uh defenders. Um but finding him at a reasonable, you know, deal I think is going to be important. Um somehow getting back Schroeder on, you know, a similar type of deal. And you know what? I I I this the kind of guy I am at least in terms of trades and adding players. Sometimes you don’t get the players you want. Sometimes you don’t even make a trade at all. But I appreciate hearing that the GM tried. I appreciate hearing that that they’re not just say, “Okay, we could just roll back what we had and you know, we’re fine with what we had.” Like for me, I’m a Lions fan and I hate seeing that Brad Holmes isn’t even trying to add a topline defensive end to go next to Aiden Hutchinson. He’s not even trying to get those kind of guys. That is driving me crazy. I want to at the very least know that uh Tjan is trying to find these guys, you know, hey, what would it cost for Zia? What would it cost for, you know, this piece right here, this piece right here, you know, what would Nas Reed want here, you know, to, you know, positive? Just at the very least try. I don’t want to see them come back with the, hey, let’s just let the kids roll out and take one more year of just, you know, sheer development. I feel like you should always be trying to fine-tune your roster in some in some way, shape, or form, especially when it’s such a young foundation around it. So, yeah, I for me, and this is just me personally, if anybody else has a different view, I totally understand, but I would be okay just knowing that they tried to dip their feet in the water of trying to get another stretch forward that would fit with this team along with the other moves that I suggested as well. I know I was listening to uh I know it’s completely off topic. I’ll answer your question in a minute, Bear. Uh, but Trejan said that when he first got here, he got told no by so many agents and so many teams, right? Cold calling people. Like Trey Jan leaves every stone unturned. Like he he’s going to make the call, see what it takes. If the teams are interested, cool. If they’re not, they’re not. He’s not going to get his feelings hurt. to your Brad Holmes point. I heard his explanation uh on 971 why he didn’t go and try to target a head rusher and he was just like, “Oh, what would you rate Aiden Hutchinson?” You’d probably say he’s like, “What? Top 10 ed rusher.” He’s like, “Yeah, those guys are hard to find. That’s why I didn’t go out and get one.” He was just like and like my explanation with that like I can understand his thought process but at the same time it’s just like it’s frustrating as a fan especially a Lions fan because like who knows if Aiden Hutchinson is going to be the same player as he was you know pre-injjury obviously there’s all the you know the videos out right now where he’s still kind of favoring his leg and that’s to be expected he broke his tibia and fibia right but to answer your question Bear what would it take uh for us to consider a great off season. I’m hoping Malik takes the mid-level. Take the mid-level exception Beasley, please. I promise you, you’ll you’ll get paid. Uh because that would not affect the Detroit Pistons catch space. Go get Dennis Schroeder. Resign him. Uh and I I I think Dennis would like want to be here. Him and Malik are, you know, longtime friends. And I I feel like he he really liked being here. I mean, he compared this Pistons team to that Atlanta Hawks team that won 60 plus games and went to the Eastern Conference Finals. So, I mean, the fact that Dennis is kind of giving like that stamp of like how it’s kind of the same, I think is pretty huge. Um, and I feel like he’s a guy that um likes to be here. So, if you can resign those two, I think you’re off to a great start. Uh, what point should the front office pursue a superstar with Kate? I don’t think it’s this summer. I think where they try to target someone is next summer. And I’ll explain why. Tobias Harris is off the books. Someone ifio was off the books, which that could realistically be dealt this off season. You never really know, but it would open up more cap space for the Detroit Pistons. Now, um, what I think is very important is the extension talks with Jaden Ivy and Jaylen, which I kind of think go out the window sometimes with fans because they are extension eligible if you want to give them contracts. Now, you could say, “Hey, we like you, but we’re just going to kind of wait and see and what happens.” Prove it year, right? like they they could go into this summer tell Ivy and Duran saying like we need a little bit more of a a sample size to see before we make a long-term investment and that could actually you know benefit the Pistons if you know they go into not this summer but next summer and try to go get a big fish then you kind of have those conversations and you have more you know more of a you know consisive idea of like what you want to do and how you want to build around this team. I I think the way the Pistons have positioned the contracts kind of tell you it’s not going to be a big move this summer. It’ll probably be the following summer just the way the contracts kind of fall off and people will be free agents. Um I would like laugh kind of in private and I I probably shouldn’t laugh like if the Pistons do Tobias dirty twice in a row and make a big move and trade him like bro like come on like you you can’t tell me that wouldn’t be funny. Like you wouldn’t kind of like like if you you just scroll in the timeline, you see a Shaman tweet and it’s like Tobias Harris blah blah and her first round pick have been traded for ex player. I’d be like, bro, come on, man. How many times you got to do this to this man? Yeah, I’m even thinking about that. That would be pretty dirty to play with him. No, I would I don’t know. I think Tobias has done an awesome job. Again, I would like to see him kind of retire with the Pistons at this point. He doesn’t need to be a 30 minute player, you know, for the next several years. Again, I think there’s a role, you know, where he is the guy that comes off the bench. It just gives you an extra scoring punch, you know, against, you know, second team guys. You know, his ability to post, you know, was huge for the team, but he was getting double teamed a lot. They’re not going to be able to do that immediately if he’s coming off the bench, you know, going against your second string guys. Um, yeah, I would like to see, like I said, I’d like to see him stick around for a little bit longer. I just feel like he’s been a huge asset in terms of the maturation of a lot of these guys in terms of their preparation of, you know, the postseason, in terms of, you know, his ability to grow as a defensive player this late in his career. Um, you know, he was a pretty good rebounder for them as well. Like he he did a lot of good things for them. And yeah, it like I think he understands the business of the NBA. it would just be kind of foul at this point even based on the success they had to say all right man sorry we gotta run it back one more time you know you’re going back to the Clippers like godly bro can I just settle somewhere please he’s been trying to settle for a while so I I feel like this is the most realistic place he can do that but yeah Trey just got a lot of questions he has to answer you know over these next couple seasons of what to do for this team I know it’s just like he he obviously he’s getting up there in age and I was talking uh with Sean about this, he was just like he’s like, “I feel like Tobias could uh I think he said I I feel like Tobias could like kind of fill that El Horford role.” And I’m like, and I’m thinking about that. I was like I I was just like I like the positivity. Uh, but I could definitely see this front office cuz th this is a brand new front office by the way. But like if there’s a deal to be made, we all we all understand it’s a business at the end of the day. But I think you can’t take away the professionalism and just the camaraderie that Tobias and these bats have kind of like brought into this locker room and reestablished new culture. But like I’d be lying to you if I said I I I wouldn’t kind of chuckle if I saw it sweet of a a potential trade whether it be this summer or at the trading deadline or even next year where it’s just like yeah Pistons finally bit the bullet and did it again like cuz that that would be so dirty though at the same time. It would. It truly would. He’s he’s a two-year contract is, you know, that’s that’s prime bait for these kind of discussions. And I think he kind of understands that he didn’t get no three, four year deal. You say, “Hey, we like you, but we’re not giving you what you just got with Philly. We’re not going to repeat that same, you know, issue. That’s not going to happen.” Um, I think he understands the nature of the business. He kind of talked about it a lot after the trade deadline as well. It’s easy to talk about it with, you know, a smile and, you know, a clear head when you’re not a part of the deals, but they’re at a position where they kind of got to decide on that now. Like, again, we don’t we know who the names are now, but, you know, by midway next season, that could be totally different than some other names that could be available. So, if he got to be the guy, then he’s got to be the guy. Um, you know, I don’t think he’ll ever be I don’t think he’ll ever get like booed or like be, you know, regarded as any kind of hated player of this team. I feel like he’s always built up a good rapport when he’s with the Pistons based on a lot of other teams he’s been on. Um, so I think he I think he’ll be fine hopefully with uh with understanding the business, I guess. Yeah, Devon said not as dirty as Knox getting traded and then signed every year. Yeah, that that that one’s just diabolical by I mean like him being like dealt in the trade and then sign him and then him getting dealt with like the I don’t even remember what the was it the tech trade maybe it was. He went to Utah, I think, or oh my, a poor guy. And then he was like on the Golden State team and they went to the G- League team and they cut and then traded him. I was like, bro, like I feel so bad for a guy that was a lottery pick. It just could not get consistent. Um, but man, I I appreciate you uh hopping on as always. We’ve almost been on for two hours. Almost got 800 people in here watching while the playoffs are on right now. Uh I’m I’m actually about to, you know, turn on game seven. I don’t know who’s going to win it. I’m hoping it’s the Rockets because I’m kind of sick of seeing the Warriors like every year. Me, too. Hope the Rockets make it, but uh do you want to tell the people that are watching right now where they can find you and they follow you can support your work? Of course, man. Thank you so much for having me, man. I really appreciate it. Thank y’all for tapping in with us as well. Follow me on social media, I am Eric Vincent. Be like, or don’t be like Ben Stiller. Actually, give me a follow. I would really appreciate that. I feel like I’ve earned it. Follow me at I am Eric Vincent on all my socials. Um, tap in with me on my YouTube page, Toptitle Detroit. Um, the Pistons exit uh, interviews are coming up soon. I’m going to try to get a lot of the content from those interviews with the players and the coaches on my channel. If you want to check it out, be sure to lock in with me on there. Toptitle Detroit. Um, I have my articles and my coverage on clutchpoints.com as well. Um, again, I got an interview exclusive with Walt Frasier that I did just before game six that I’m really proud about. Uh, one of my, you know, biggest career accomplishments, um, that I’m super super excited about. If you guys want to check that out, I’d really appreciate it. A lot of good coverage as well on the team as well. Uh, clutchoints.com. Um, I’m trying to be all over the internet this year, man. So, you know, if y’all can tap in with me, I really appreciate the love. Yeah, I mean, you got to be everywhere. I mean, like I just looked. Apparently I have like uh 15,000 followers on Threads and I don’t even post on there. I was like, “Oh, I forgot about Threads. Threads was going to like overtake Twitter for like 12 hours.” So, exactly. Blue Sky. Yeah, Blue I You know what? I I did Blue Sky and I was just like, “Bro, this app there’s no way it’s going to compete with Twitter. It is so buggy.” I know some people are still like trying to promote it like, “Oh, follow me on Blue Sky.” I’m like, “Yeah, no. I gave up after like a week. I couldn’t do it. I’m like, nah, I just I’m sticking with Elon’s little thing. Sorry. Yeah, I mean, I’m I’m good over here. I do have your Twitter and your YouTube in the description below. If you guys are watching live on YouTube right now, you want to go follow Eric’s Twitter, you just click it, take directly to his Twitter. You want to go uh support his YouTube channel with the interviews and the content that he does post over there. Definitely go check it out. Um, but we’ll see you guys uh next week. Don’t know what the hell I’m going to talk about next week. probably exit interview if I’m being honest. But until next time, you guys have a good weekend and go Pistons as always. Peace.

This week on Pistons Talk Podcast, Anthony will be joined by Eric Vincent from
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