Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Read on Greg Oden, Trail Blazers Arena Funding and Portland Fandom

Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Read on Greg Oden, Trail Blazers Arena Funding and Portland Fandom

In today’s show, Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Reid joins the program for a fun and wide-ranging conversation about how the Blazers will use public funding to upgrade the arena that will help them stay in Portland long term. Plus, the origins of the Secretary’s Blazers fandom and how Greg Odin once made the state house floor. Welcome to Locked On Blazers. Let’s get into it. You are Locked on Trailblazers, your daily Portland Trailblazers podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day. What’s up, world? It’s your past verse point guard and Trailblazers reporter Mike Richmond. You’re listening to another episode of Locked OnBlazers, part of the Locked On podcast network, available wherever you get podcasts and also on YouTube. Thanks for making this show your first listen. Coming at you each and every weekday, Monday through Friday. So, make it a part of your daily routine. Make it your first listen and tell your friends to do the same as Locked on Blazers. Your team every day. In today’s program, from what I understand, this is the highest ranking public official who has ever appeared on any Locked On podcast program. Uh, Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Reid. How you doing? Welcome to the program. I am great. I’m so excited to talk to you. You know, normally we talk about chain of custody of ballots and signature verification, which is all really important stuff, but today I get to talk about my favorite team, my local, my hometown team with somebody who knows about it. This is great. Thank you for having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on. You have been, you know, uh uh in the public uh political world in Portland for nearly 20 years. Uh closing closing in on two decades as uh as your as your state rep if you’re from the Beaverton area, uh state treasur for about seven years. and now the Secretary of State. But so, so you’ve kind of seen the political process of of Portland play out from a variety of of levels. I’m wondering here though, I think the biggest sort of political news as it relates to the Trailblazers. This where I want to start, is that the the Blazers are going to do some uh renovations on the arena and part of the renovations was signing a new ground lease with uh with the city and buying and uh buying some land or excuse me, selling some land back to the city. So it’s like uh to sort of ch change of ownership in a formal way and selling the arena back to the city council for a dollar. I wonder in your expertise how have other municipalities maybe throughout the country dealt with the sort of public private balance when it comes to updating the an arena or things like of that nature. Well, you know, I think we have a real advantage here because we now are very much investors in this. So we need it to to succeed from a pure financial point of view. But beyond that, nobody who who listens to Lockdown Blazers needs any convincing about the central role that the team, the arena has in our in our future as a city, as a state, as a as a region. We need this to succeed. We want the team to stay here. We want the the success of the team to to reverberate around the whole area. Um, this has got to be a place that people want to come and and have fun. And it’s hard to believe, but you know, I was around when when the uh uh the the then uh Rose Garden was was new. Um how lucky were we to have an owner who was willing to to finance it himself, but that’s that’s not true. And now we’re that’s not true anymore. And now it’s one of the oldest, if not the oldest arena. So making sure that it gets upgraded um is a is a big deal. on making the making the team a success. I mean, how how bad is it when uh when when Josh Hart has to tweet out and say, “Where where do I go after a game?” Um there are lots of examples worth to look to. Um uh Indianapolis is one and actually that the public private partnership that happened there I think played a played a big part in bringing the All-Star game there. We’ve already got uh you know a women’s final four headed our direction. Let’s use that as a um as a as a beacon that that we can build towards and all the other things that can come after that. There’s nothing magic in this, but just making sure that there is, you know, a connection between the the dollars that go in, some of them public, and and the benefits that come out that the the public will enjoy. And frankly, I I I feel a lot more momentum towards that and a lot more willingness to be creative from the the city and the state. And and hopefully, we’re going to be able to celebrate something uh not too far into the future. Well, I I guess uh what I am uh curious about or what I am I when you talk about renovating a building that is run by billionaires and played in by millionaires and you’re talking about tax money funding that I think people get a little bit nervous. Can you speak to how that relationship works because um you know that that is uh I think that gives maybe some some folks particularly non-sports folks a little bit of uh maybe second thoughts. Yes. And I think in in a lot of situations that is a very understandable situation um because it’s not owned uh by the public. But now with the arena being owned by the city by the public um we have more reason to be willing to invest in it. And it’s not just the Blazers that are going to be there. They’re of course the most iconic, the most visible, the most well-known tenant, but lots of other things happen there. And if you’re not a sports fan, there’s lots of other things to to take advantage of. But even if you don’t want to ever show up there, having that kind of of an asset to the city is central to what goes on. Um polling is really clear about what people like about having that asset down downtown and the untapped potential that exists there, too. the the work that the Albina Vision Trust is doing to bring back the activity and the history and the um just the vibrancy that was that was there for so long is really exciting to think about uh what can happen leading up to to a game or another event, what can happen after and how that can become much more of a focal point, a real magnet for the for the downtown core. But again, the fact that it is now owned by the city, by us, should, I think, make it a lot easier for people to feel good about investing in it because we’ll get that back. The the ownership of the of the arena remains with the public, and that that’s a big advantage when it comes to thinking about public financing of of upgrades and renovations. So, as I understand, and you can correct me here, some of this public money will be will come from a roughly 6% 7% tax on like parking and ticketing revenue. Um, and that will go into helping upgrade the arena. Are there is there other money that is could be directed to upgrade the area around the arena? You mentioned the Albina Vision Trust. Or are we talking about getting the arena to a place with some like public event dollars and then and then moving forward from there? I think there are lots of different ways to do it. And that’s what I meant. There’s not. Sometimes I think people feel like it’s some obscure thing and it’s difficult and complex and it can be but it can also be as simple as thinking about their public dollars whether it’s from the city or the county or the or the state um and and their needs that that we have to pay for. And so it’s really just a matter of matching up those dollars that come in from whatever source and how those uh returns can be distributed again. Uh but we’re all going to do better when that arena is successful, when there are more people employed. Um, I think it’s it’s great to think about the way that it used to be people were able to who who worked in the arena were able to live nearby and get there and and really contribute to the vibrancy of that that neighborhood. Let’s get back to that. Um, because when more people are working, more people are paying income taxes, more people more dollars available to the state and local um to to invest in things that we all care about that that that ripple out from that arena. it can be such a a a powerful and and impactful force um to to the whole of the community and even the way we feel about each other and and and ourselves. Um I mean I I I was raised in Boisey and one of my um introductions uh was was watching listening to Round Ball Rock and and hearing uh seeing the Blazers and those iconic kind of images of of Portland when when the Blazers were successful. this was an an image that went out to the rest of the world and that will uh result in in economic uh advantages as well. So there’s lots of different ways that dollars come into that and we should be thinking creatively and and thinking long term about it. You mentioned um the sort of securing the Blazers place here. They signed a lease uh what what what the team terms a bridge lease agreement. And to me to me that means short-term. Um but they signed a in August of 2024 they they reached a lease agreement that will extend for 5 years from 2025 to 2030 and has an option to extend for an additional 5 years. So we’re talking potentially a decade of the agreement. Was there concern in Salem that the Portland Trailblazers could leave? I think there’s always concern about that. We should never just think of um ourselves as as entitled. Um there capital is mobile in the world. It’s a lot harder to to move a a professional and major league team than it is, you know, to write a check. But we shouldn’t assume anything. And I think the it’s a very responsible and smart thing to do to give ourselves the blazers and the and the city time to be responsive. Uh I can’t think of a good outcome uh when when the backs are up against the wall and there’s a deadline that’s that’s approaching. But we shouldn’t also be relaxed about that. 5 years goes quickly. Um so we want to get the long-term agreement. I think the team and the city both would want to have confidence about the the mechanisms to upgrade the arena to how it fits into the to the core uh to the plan for for all of the city um and and have that long-term plan. But but trying to do that in, you know, a year or 18 months or something um could could result in a lot of uh brinksmanship and and and pressure that that wouldn’t contribute to a good deal. So I was glad to see that and I don’t think we should be relaxed cuz cuz we got a lot of things to figure out. What has changed since 1995 when Paul Allen decided to privately fund the construction of this arena now? like what has changed in sort of the way these private and public entities interact in your eyes? Well, that’s a broad question. I I think it’s a lot of of how people think about things and and what uh public entities are expected to do and expected to um to to pay for. Um the difference I think fundamentally we talked about already is is this will be a publiclyowned facility. uh a lot of other places uh look like there’s there’s asks for public money into a privatelyowned facility and we don’t have that. So thankfully these are these interests are going to be aligned. Public money into a public facility is a much easier to sell I think a much easier thing to convince people of than public money into a priv private uh facility. So um having those aligned gives us a lot more potential, a lot more room. And I think um the other thing that’s less about about finance, but um you know, thinking about the the history of the Blazers and the and the arc of where we’ve been, this feels like we’re on that on that upswing again. Um where we can get the kind of public involvement and public excitement. Um you know, I I really am a fan here. So, so thinking about the what’s in front of the team, I think it’s going to be easier to have a conversation about that when when there’s a product on the court, a group of players and a a team that that the that the community can be proud to be associated with and be fans of is imagine how much harder this would be if if we were in the midst of the jailblazer era. Um, I think that the politics would be much tougher. Yeah, certainly. I think in the an increasingly fractured public world, sports are about the only thing we care about together. Um indeed, I I do think sports get pretty tribal and so people get when when they root when you root for one uh laundry, you really root against others. But I do think like collectively in the community, it’s probably the only thing that we that that unites us in a way in an increasingly fractured bizarre world that we live in. Uh, which is a bummer, but it also is a nice thing to say like there is a there is a thing to point to that we all agree on and we agree that we really hope Shaden Sharp develops a three-point jump shot cuz boy would that change things. Um, yes. I want to ask you about you you mentioned a Blazer fan. I know that you’re a sport dad too and all of these things. I want to ask you about your uh your your basketball bonafides. That’s what we’ll do in the second segment. Join us there, won’t you? 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That’s op ho ne.com/locksonmbba. And if you have an exist any existing numbers with another service, open phone will port them over at no extra charge. That’s openphone.com/locks onmbba. Open phone. No missed calls, no missed [Music] customers. All right, still chatting here with Secretary of State Tobias Reed. Uh again, I I this is the highest ranking public figure to ever be on any Locked On show, so don’t take it for granted that uh that the secretary is giving us a little bit of time here. Um so you’re for those of you not watching on YouTube, uh you’ve got a a Bearcat hoop shirt on. I know you’re a WAMIT grad. I went to Louiswis and Clark, so there’s a little bit of Northwest Conference rivalry there. Go Pio’s. This is great. Um but but you mentioned you’re you’re a Blazer fan. How often are you attending games? like what is your what is your sort of current relationship with the with the team now? I wish I could attend a lot more. Um my daughter, our daughter um my wife and I have a daughter who is a sophomore in high school and she I’m very proud. She is a uh a varsity basketball player. So, uh, I we we try to get there when when we can, but most of the time you’ll find me. I I went to the coach, um, and said, “You need to hire me as the, uh, as the book guy or the scoreboard guy because it’ll make me a lot less likely to be backseat coaching.” So, I fortunately got that job. Uh, and I spend every every game I can, uh, with with her and her team. U,, but we probably make it to three, four, five games. It’s hard, as you know, uh, cuz there aren’t that many that aren’t on school nights. And thankfully our daughter’s a pretty motivated student. So, uh, we try to fit all of those in. But otherwise, I’m watching everything I can. This comes from, you know, from being a a a kid in Idaho and having to pick a a team. So, it’s been the Blazers for me as long as I can remember. This Bearcat hoop shirt actually is a is a weird connection, too, because I was I was fortunate after having made that choice to show up at Wamut and realize that there’s history between Wamtt and the Blazers. Uh, Blazers were did their their uh training camp there sometimes. In fact, on that 30 for30 about Bill Walton, you can see photos or video of him practicing in the in the Mammoth gym. Uh when I got there, um Wamtt was on a on a nice run basketball-wise. In fact, won the uh the national championship in 1994. And on that team, uh was a young RJ Edelman, uh son of Rick Edelman. So, there’s uh there’s connection there. And um uh I I I most fun for me I think is is a is right now um when when we’re at a you know an inflection point in some ways in a rebuild. I think it is so much more fun to be as you say holding on to joy and thinking about potential in a young team rather than an aging team or a team that’s already kind of established their identity. And it is so much fun to watch the personalities emerging to watch the potential to think about what might be and what’s that last little piece. um you know, could could we win the lottery and could we have a pick that is really going to be transformational that kind of completes um this this this roster in this core? There’s there’s so much that that is um uh exciting and and optimistic that’s that’s in a team like this that uh I’m excited. I was a little sad that the season is over because there was so much growth in the second half, so much more potential and things to look forward to that um let’s get the summer league. Let’s see what what we have. Let’s um let’s keep going. Well, I uh I wonder if you’ll weigh in officially on who they should pick first overall. I know that early in your political career, you you ventured into that. We’ll talk about that a little bit more to close the show, but uh um I think uh so I I um I know that you’re you’re a somewhat uh infrequent listener to the program and I truly appreciate it, but um I introduced myself as a past first pointer. I’m wondering I’m wondering if you are still playing pickup basketball at all and what kind of player you would describe yourself as. Oh, I I would uh I mean it’s an interesting way of putting it. Uh my favorite Blazer uh of all time was Arvda Sabonis. Uh because you know, of course I resonate with being a a bigger slower guy. Um I was once 67, I’m probably 66 now. Uh I’ve never been accused of being fast. So I get as much pleasure when I am able to um drag myself up and down the court from from a rebound in a good outlet pass or setting a screen. Uh so I don’t know how to put that in the in the nice illiterative form that you have about pass first point. I thought about policy first politician that doesn’t quite work in the same way. Um, but I I do I do really like it and and playing playing pickup for me is is the greatest possible escape because whatever other thing I might be worried about, um, I can step on the court when I can, you know, uh, be confident enough that I’m not going to, you know, rupture my Achilles or something at at my age and and all those other things that I’m worried about just kind of fade away because all you can think about is where’s the ball going? Am I boxing out? Who’s who’s got an outlet? where the I’m I’m I’m nothing um uh nothing flashy. I never was. My my probably three favorite uh NBA players are are Duncan and Sabonus and Jokic because they are uh fundamental. They are reliable. Um they put the team first and they’re just uh really fun to watch. Um, so I I would uh I guess I would I would put myself in that sort of a a category that that’s willing to do the uh the rebounding and to uh to try to set other people up for success and I try to try to live that out off the court as well. Yeah, there you go. The pass first point sort of a sort of a broader ethos. So I like the sort of garb connector piece big man is also kind of the same sort of ethos. I like it. I’ll take that. Thank you. When you were a kid in Idaho, what were your like what were your earliest teams? cuz obviously by the time you got by by the time you got to Oregon, Sabonus was I guess he was just about to arrive the same time you did. Uh but when you were when you were a kid, who were who were the players you were drawn to? Well, probably the one that that I was most connected to initially, um my dad was a um a hospital administrator and I have a pretty vivid memory when I was very young, maybe like eight or nine, going to as soon as I say the place, you’ll know the player. uh going to a conference that with him that he went to at the University of Wisconsin Stevens Point. So, of course, uh a connection to Terry Porter uh was was immediate and I’ve been fortunate to to to meet him a few times over the years. Um, but but having that kind of a a connection, being able to watch those those teams with, you know, there’s there’s Duckworth as well, another another guy who wasn’t the fastest and Buck Williams and Cliff Robinson and uh Kirsty and uh all of that when I when I got to Wamtt, having watched those teams and feeling like I could have a sense of, you know, somebody going to the free throw line and, you know, what was their what was their routine, how many uh how many dribbles, how many wipes of the brow, what what was their their leadup? Um, yeah, there’s not that many choices when you’re when you’re in Idaho. You have to kind of glom on to someone who is regionally relevant. I was going to say Yeah, I’m somewhat surprised you’re not like a James Worthy guy, right? Like that you weren’t like, oh, I love the 80s Lakers and then you were going to have to tell us like, well, I was a Laker fan as a kid, but but hear me out here. So, I mean, you have to pick in those years when it was Lakers and Celtics, you had to pick one or the other, of course. Um, and I think I I probably gravitated a little more as a as a young, less sophisticated person to to the to the uh Lakers, but it wasn’t that long when I realized, wait, there’s this former Blazer on the other side. There’s there’s Walden who was you could still in some ways he was sort of like like Sabonis later. Like you could see the the the the past the prime kind of glory. like uh I never got to see him when he was really at his peak, but even in those later years, you could kind of see what what had been. Um so maybe maybe maybe Walton and the Celtics kind of helped me appreciate the Blazers in a different way, but they are they’re a regional team, so it wasn’t it wasn’t hard and I was already there. Yeah. I was just thinking like you were kind of subject to the one game on Sunday afternoon uh challenge and so it was like you know what what was going to be on TV type of thing. So uh I’m glad you found the radio. There was no there was no Prime Sports Northwest. There was no there was no there was nothing. So, yeah, you’re right. Um, okay. So, you mentioned the Blazers. We’re recording this the week before the lottery. Uh, the Blazers are going to be they’ll be in the lottery. They have a 3.7% chance to get the number one overall pick. Much better than the than the Oregon lottery, I have to say. So, let’s go. Um, way back when there was right there on the House floor, there were a group of Oregon politicians, 26 of them, who were really actively making part of their day to campaign for the Blazers to make a specific pick. We’re going to talk about what happened in 2007. In the third segment, join us there, won’t [Music] you? Still a pass versus point guard, still Mike Richmond. Still chatting here with Tobias Reed, Oregon Secretary of State. when you were a young legislator. I believe this was one of your earliest sessions, uh, from what I can tell read. Yeah, very first. Okay. I knew it was the regular session in June of 2007. So, the Blazers had won the draft lottery. They had jumped up with a choice to make the number one overall pick. And if you will recall back then, uh, friend of the program and Washington Post writer, uh, Ben Goliver was about to get his start writing d writing the blog draftkevvin Durant.net or something, maybe.com. Uh, I think it was netnet, but draftke shout out to draftkevvin durant.net. Meanwhile, on in the in June of 2007, a group of 26 Oregon politicians Well, actually, what exactly did the 26 of you do back in June of 2007? Well, let’s let’s set the scene here because isn’t this a ridiculous idea that a bunch of legislators who should be thinking about important esoteric things like uh what’s the definition of a navigable waterway or how how to aortion gas taxes across roads that this group of legislators was presumptuous enough ridiculous enough to say we have an idea about who the Blazers ought to draft. Ridiculous. Crazy. But I think the the idea and I I definitely was a rookie legislator who succumbed to this. I I got to give credit to to Rick Mezer who was then a state senator and a former uh broadcast sports broadcaster who who was the the the force behind this effort. Uh I succumbed and I I signed on. But I think it really was commentary on on where we were then. Um these were people who who had been longtime Blazers fans. I think getting excited about having won a championship in 77. I think we got sort of locked on to the idea, locked on uh that we needed a a a post a Bill Walton. We were where was our current Bill Walton? Uh we we were we were so committed to this that that we had drafted Sam Bowie over over Jordan so committed to this that we were not uh satisfied with serviceable posts like Kevin Duckworth and Joel Prisbilla. And and yet here here we are. Here’s this moment. We’ve we’ve come through this terrible period where where it was not really socially acceptable to be a Blazers fan. I mentioned earlier the Jailblazer era. You couldn’t really talk about being a Blazers fan. It was you know beneath sophisticated people. Politicians would not admit to such things. And so here here’s here’s a little potential now. Brandon Roy had knees. Uh there there was a a a Lamarcus Aldridge coming on and here’s an opportunity to to find that post who’s going to be the the final piece who is going to who’s going to bring us back to the to the next uh championship, our our latter day Walton. And and even better, it wasn’t just that we had won the lottery. Uh there there was there was Brandon Roy bopping around with that with that optimism. It wasn’t just that we had the number one pick. our older sibling, our our hated rival in in Seattle at number two. So we didn’t pick was going to be condemned to to Seattle. Um so obviously it was ridiculous. Obviously we got it wrong. Um but it but it was great um to have that excitement to have that you know amidst those other uh uh controversies and debates in the in the legislature that that we could make room for having this kind of a debate that that people were actually talking about. It wasn’t just the legislature. It was everybody who was into this and we were able to to weigh in with our presumptuous ridiculousness. Yeah. Here’s here’s the official official. Do it again. Yeah. I was going to say we’re going to do you you have to make another pro. No, just kidding. Um here’s the official proclamation from June of 2007. Whereas at this point of the season, we the Oregon State Legislature have two dates on our mind. June 29th, the date set for the legisl legislature to adjourn. and two, June 28th, the date the Blazers make their draft pick. We undersigned members of the 74th Legislative Assembly recommend the Portland Trailblazers choose Greg Odin, an official proclamation, an from uh 13 legislators, 13 state senators calling for Greg Odin. I’m wondering, do you have what is what’s in your heart when you see Kevin Durant now 17 years later still be one of the say 20 best players in the NBA? Well, I would say, you know, there’s there two things. One, there’s a difference between a good process and a good result or bad process. 100% agree. Good process. Yes, clearly bad result. But I think it was there was nothing wrong with the choice. And the other thing that is important to remember in that choice, you know, there’s there’s there’s a great industry in alternative histories, whether it’s uh, you know, novels or or television shows or whatever. But imagine we had drafted Durant. It seems very likely to me that we would have been denied uh the glory of the Dame Will Lillard years. So there’s ups and there’s downs. Um and uh I just hope that that we we that 3.7% uh pays off and and we will probably not have the same kind of controversy in recommending uh Cooper Flag be uh be the choice if if the Blazers have the uh have the top option. Yeah. Well, I hope just for the sake of fun they do end up with the top pick and you have to decide whether that’s something you spend your business hours on. Well, let’s let’s let’s have a debate. Let’s have a future. We might have to have a series through a whole week of of lockdown. We can bring on different uh politicians. We could have different uh uh candidates. We could we could figure out uh who you know who who would be the other options beyond beyond flag and and and have a great debate. We could have a bracket. kind of do all send me your junior reps. I want to hear any any firstear representatives recently elected. Bring them to locked on blazers and make them do something that 20 years later someone will ask them about on a on a podcast. I want that’s that’s what I’m looking for. I want it to be part of their legacy as well. Rookie indiscretions. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. Um thank you so much for for joining the program. This was really fun to sort of get a perspective that we don’t always get on uh on this particular show. I I I truly appreciate the time. It’s my great pleasure. I really appreciate what you’re doing and uh I hope we can we can do it again sometime. All right, dear listeners. Um come back for tomorrow’s show. It’s what we do 5 days a week wherever you get podcasts. Also on YouTube. I appreciate you listening. Tell your friends about the podcast. The only show that has the Secretary of State on the program in the middle of the week. I appreciate you listening. I’ll talk to you soon. Hey,

Oregon Secretary of State Tobias Read joins the show to talk NBA arena funding in Portland, the origins of his Trail Blazers fandom and how Greg Oden made it to the State House in 2007.

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