This Raptors Fan Thinks That Scottie Barnes Has Already Peaked | Are They Wrong?
Scotty in fourth year seems like he has already peaked. Cade becoming AllNBA and Moy is defensive player of the year. Meanwhile, Scotty still doesn’t know what he wants to be shooting 20% from three. Welcome to Amateur Answers is a new series on the channel where I read your comments and reacting. If you want a chance for your comment to be featured on next week’s version of this episode, which comes out on Saturday, then make sure you comment something down below. And while you’re there, smash that like button and subscribe to the channel. The first comment here I already read comes from Holano. Holano, I’m not really sure, but says Scotty in fourth year seems like he has already peaked. Well, yes, Cade is a AllNBA looking like it this season or potentially going to be AllNBA this season. Evan Mobley has been defensive player of the year this season. Yes. But like it’s important to remember, no, it’s not all NBA. No, it’s not defensive player of the year. But Scotty Barnes was an allstar last season. So evidently this season which wasn’t as good as last season like this season is obviously not his peak seeing as he has already been better than this and also like even despite it let’s say even if this was the best season so far how on earth are we talking about a 23-year-old as if he has already peaked like he is nowhere near his prime years like prime years for basketball player are typically like 27 to 30 years old sometimes like maybe more athletic players are like 26 to 29 years old but Like then there’s examples like Giannis where he’s approaching his early 30s and he’s still super athletic and still like in his prime years. So like to say Scotty Barnes has already peaked is is just an asinine statement. Definitely definitely definitely has more room to grow. And the 20% from three stuff I mean listen it’s not like it’s a good three-point percent but Barnshot let’s give him a bit more credit. It was 27% from three. It wasn’t like he was completely like useless from three 20%. It was 27%. So, not really giving Barnes the full credit there, but like as far as peaking already, like we’ve seen Barnes be better than this and he’s still very very young. So, definitely for me has not peaked as of yet. Next one comes from Mikey James. This is on Scotty Barnes as well. Says, “What’s people’s obsession with Barnes being a point guard?” It’s something that I noted uh from the previous Amateur answers where again, people just want to force Barnes to be a point guard. Mikey James does not like that. He’s not a point guard and we’ve seen the issues already. He gets his pocket picked too many times and lacks the handles to play that position full-time. Let’s make Joic a point guard too while we’re at it because he has okay handles and can pass the ball well. There’s more to being a good point guard. If Barnes is your full-time point guard, you’re not getting that. You’re not getting far in the playoffs. I don’t know why they can’t just play Barnes like Miami plays bam at a bio. uh there’s some kind of obsession with him being some kind of point forward and it seems like Alvin Williams and Vince Carter are the only ones that screaming just to play him in the key and enough of the nonsense. Scotty spent most of last season just firing away at the three-point line even when he had smaller players than him could have just post them up and got to the basket. So, a lot of this I really do agree with here. You know, maybe in like the first season, maybe a little bit of his second season of Scotty Barnes, it was kind of like, well, clearly he’s got some handles. He’s, you know, 6’8, 6′ n, 7 foot2, 7 foot three wingspan. Like, if we can mold this player into a point guard, like that’s very, very exciting for the team. Just imagine how good that player can be for the team. But the more we’ve seen is Scotty Barnes, yes, I do agree, the handles aren’t quite tight enough. But something that Mikey James didn’t mention here that is like vital for a point guard to have. They need to be able to bend the defense out of pick and rolls in two different ways. The primary way you want a point guard to bend the defense is out of a pick and roll. You can’t have his check going under the screen, cheating under the screen. They have to go over the screen in fear of your pull-up jumper. That is huge to creating advantages for your defense because it gives that point guard a little bit more space out of the pick and roll. It causes rotations, gives that point guard space. As I said, if they’re going under the screen, they’re cheating. It’s not giving that point guard extra time. It’s not creating advantages. It’s not just getting rotation started for the defense. So, it’s easier for the defenders to play defense against that sort of unit with that sort of point guard. Now, the counter to that, if you don’t have the pull-up jumper, you know, point guards like, let’s say John, not the best pull-up jumper for a point guard, but fantastic at slashing, fantastic at getting right to the rim and finishing efficiently there. Barnes doesn’t really have either of the things. He does definitely doesn’t have the pull-up jumper and he hasn’t really shown that ability to slash to the rim quickly using that space to his advantage. So for me for the point guard doesn’t have enough where the defender is worried enough when they’re defending Barnes as the ball handler out of pick and roll situations. But but as Mikey James said, that doesn’t mean Barnes can’t be a fantastic player. I’m not really sure that Bam Adabio is the best comparison. Like I don’t I think you’re limiting Barnes by having him primarily as a postup player. I still think a lot of perimeter play is necessary to get the most out of Scotty Barnes. It just doesn’t need to be in that primary ball handling role which is labeled as the point guard. Can there be some sets where he’s handling the ball? Absolutely. But a little bit more down low play for Scotty Barnes I think is what is in order to get the most out of the player. So I do agree there. Next comment comes from Troy Knights with a bunch of extra letters I don’t care to read. says, “The Toronto media has made their point. They want Scotty traded. I can’t wait till he’s clear the best player on the team and we make the playoffs. Basketball is a team sport, and I want to give Scotty the chance to play with the play with legit players. I can’t wait to bring up these comments every game about trying to trade him.” So, this is in reaction to the the portion of the video that talked about trading Scotty for Giannis attentive Koopa. Like, if Giannis onto Koopa is available, do you have to trade Skyward? like are you willing to trade Scotty Barnes? So, I don’t really know if the media has made their point like as a whole to be honest. I don’t really I haven’t really seen a lot of stories suggesting the Raptors should be trading Scotty Barnes. So, I don’t necessarily agree with that. I feel like Raptors media in general, I’m not like super locked into it, but I don’t get the vibe that there’s a desire to see Scotty Barnes traded. To me, it feels like like there’s belief in Scotty Barnes to get better going forward. So, I don’t necessarily agree with that. However, caveat to this if it’s Giannis, like a couple people say here, uh, Straw Hen, first off, Straw Hen Jagov, I’m sorry if I said that wrong. I like Scotty, but I’m making that trade in a heartbeat. Anyone who says otherwise is crazy. We also have one from Rick Pe says, “Unfortunately, if this trade happens, Scotty has to be involved. Giannis needs shooters around him. can’t have Scotty. Yak and Giannis on the floor. Plus, they play same position. Barnes and Giannis play same position. Only makes sense. A big Scotty fan, but Giannis is one of those guys you can’t pass up on if you can actually make the deal happen. So, yeah, I’m not like pushing this trade Scotty Barnes. I’ve been like I I think higher up on Sky Barnes than the majority of this fan base. I’m I’m trying to defend him in a lot of instances when I do videos on the channel. But yeah, if it’s Giannis, then a lot of things a lot of things certainly change because that’s just a player that’s maybe worth making that risk. And there’s actually a really good comment here from Shannon Ferguson who kind of opens up my eyes a little bit to this trade where I’m was kind of like, yeah, you probably have to do if it’s Barnes, but this kind of sold me a little bit. So Shannon Ferguson, 3029, says, I don’t agree. Toronto will never get more value out of Scotty Barnes than trading him for Giannis. Yeah, it it kind of is eye opening like thinking about it in that way. Will the Raptors ever get the value out of Barnes than they would get out of making a trade with him for Giannis? Obviously, it’s a very hypothetical situation. As I said in every video, I’ve talked about this. I don’t think it will happen. I don’t think the Bucks will trade Giannis. if they do trade him, it is still unlikely that it he would end up with the Raptors. But yeah, in those instances, you know, thinking from an expected value standpoint, that laid it out pretty well. Will the Raptors ever get that same Giannis value out of Barnes? Maybe they will, but maybe they won’t. So, it’s a complicated endeavor for sure. On the topic of this, people are wondering why Giannis would come if the Rabbits are trading Barnes to get him. Well, Swiss from the 65996 says, “Why would Giannis want to come here without Scotty? Everyone else keeps their best players in these trades.” Which is a bit of a fair comment for sure. And Gregory, one of our amazing members with a lovely 12-month badge. Shout out to Gregory says, “I agree. Giannis want to play with Scotty. He wants a championship. We have all our draft picks. think we can get this over if if Toronto is his choice. So, if Toronto is his choice, we can do this without Barnes. But like on the topic of why would Giannis want to come to the Raptors if Scotty’s going the other way? Well, the reason would be Brandon Ingram. And Brandon Ingram is such a fantastic fit next to Giannis, we talked about it in last week’s video where we compare Brandon Ingram’s archetype to Chris Middleton, how successful that duo was with the Milwaukee Bucks. Could we repeat that with Brandon Ingram? maybe like a better version even perhaps of Chris Middleton and Brandon Ingram. So that makes sense to me ultimately like I can see it working trading Scotty for Yiannis. I can see it working keeping Scotty and trading for Giannis. But interesting points here but I still think there would be a desire to play here even if it is Scotty Barnes going the other way. But enough on that topic. Let’s go to the video I did about Emanuel quickly. So few comments like this which I need to address. Uh, first of all, Gar Levi says, Gar Levi 8275 says, “Raptors fans are not worried. Only you don’t do that.” So, I made a video about Emanuel Quickley saying, “Raptors fans are worried about Emanuel Quickley because listen, I stream for like 80% of Raptors games. I do videos two to three times a week. I follow a lot of media like through Twitter. I I see a lot of the community through Reddit. I see a lot of it through Discord. Like I am very in tune with the Raptors fan base. I titled a video saying Raptors fans are worried about Emanuel quickly because they are like I’ve seen it and I’ve seen it for the last four or five months. So to suggest that nobody’s worried is crazy. And there’s like an even worse one here. It says the mo the mo piece. I think someone’s running out of content because no one is worried only you. Dude. These comments annoy me beyond belief because I’m not worried. That was the entire point of the video. So, it’s very frustrating to me when I put a lot of work into making a video and people come in and complain in the comments who have very clearly, obviously, these two viewers or these two users, excuse me, have not even watched the video. They’ve clicked on it, they’ve commented, and they’ve left. Because if you watched the video very early on, I made it clear, I’m not the one who’s worried. I’m trying to convince you that you should not be worried. You know, there’s a complicated uh part of creating content for YouTube and its titles and its thumbnails. And it’s creating a title that is attractive enough for somebody to want to watch it while still keeping the focus of the video on that topic. People called it a clickbait title. I disagree here. Raptors fans are worried about Emanuel Quickley. Now, like what would be the version of that title that would be considered not clickbait? Would it be uh some of the Raptors fan base is a little bit concerned about Emanuel Quickley’s play? In this video, I discuss whether or not they should be worried. Like, that’s not a title that people are going to click on. What I found in the five years of creating content for YouTube is in the thumbnail, you don’t want to ask a question. You don’t want to ask a 50/50 question and and then they click on the video to see what your opinion on that question is. Better working titles are ones that make a statement and then the video either proves or disproves that statement, but they don’t you don’t really know what you’re going to get with the video. That’s enticing. I don’t consider that clickbait because the video was completely centered around centered around Raptors fans being worried about Emanuel Quickley. And listen, there’s a lot of these comments that said the same thing, but there’s even more comments that watched the video, understood the video, enjoyed the video, and still more than 90% of the the votes on the video are likes compared to dislikes. It’s just frustrating beyond belief when somebody comments on a video of mine that they literally did not watch. Like if only there was 10 to 15 minutes of me documenting my exact thoughts on the thing that you’re commenting on to actually answer. But I just wanted to address that. Look, could I make titles like I don’t think I’m click baiting titles. I think I’m trying to entice the viewer. I don’t think I’m misleading the viewer by doing that. You can let me know if you disagree, but like you need to have some sort of pull. And the best poll for a title I found, make a statement to start the story. introduce that statement in the video, then spend the rest of the video either proving or disproving that with opinions and and and facts and things I’ve pulled up uh to make an interesting video. I think that’s how you tell a story. You you start off with this statement and then tell the story from there. But like if you don’t see it that way, I I I don’t know what to tell you. Next comment from Steve C74 says, “Quickley’s per 36 numbers in March were 26 points, 5.3 rebounds, and 7.7 assists.” So, this was on the same video. Thankfully, somebody actually watched the video and hey, agrees with me. Thank you. Um, you’re allowed to disagree with me, by the way. That’s completely fine. I just present my thoughts. But, yeah, for quickly, there are some things to work on for sure. But like the last month of the season in March, that was really when he had a healthy runway of games under him and he looked like he was getting back to his best. Evidently here, some very big numbers in March. Now, albeit in March, a lot of those games were against fellow tanking teams, teams that were tanking even harder than the Raptors, so easier opposition for sure. That’s part of it. But those are very, very impressive numbers. And there was a big showcase that was getting back to his best. And hey, it’s not a competition between fellow Raptors teammates, but Emanuel Clicky was the best performer on the Raptors in the month of March. So his teammates where the same opponents to play against were not playing as well as Emanuel Quickley was playing. So hopefully a showcase that he was getting back to his best and even getting better. But that’s not all on Emanuel Quickley. I said a lot of positive things, but there are some things to work on that are important to note as well. This comment comes from the berserk chemist 8598. What a what a name there. Says, “Quickly needs to improve straight up. Not only has he missed a lot of time, which could be down to Raptors management pushing him to rest. Um, he rested a lot of games near the end of the season, but also had injuries that weren’t really his fault started season, but he has underperformed when playing. Dribble drives, not pushing. The pace impact much more different when he’s off the bench versus starter. I know he’s hungry. He’s a great personality, but he has to dominate. I don’t necessarily believe he has to dominate because in a lot of instances like that’s like your third best player on the floor. like you need another way to purle play this season like is that your fourth best player on the floor. So I don’t think necessarily needs to dominate but I do agree there do there does need to be improvement from a point guard standpoint and the point guard’s ability to manage the game. Somebody else made a similar comment to noted guys like Fred Vinley and Kyle Lowry. Their ability to be the floor general and dominate the game in that way. Slow down the pace when necessary, pick up the pace when necessary. And I think some of those cues need to be uh developed by Emanuel Quickley a little bit as a point guard. I think some of the passing does need to improve and I think that’s something that didn’t quite we didn’t quite get to see blossom this season because of the time miss because of the tank but yes I think some of the point guard play does need to improve for quickly. I think this off seasonason hopefully he starts the new season because I think a big issue with last season he started the season injured so he didn’t get those opening games really settle into the season hopefully we do get that for quickly this season I do think we will see improvements there so as much as I I have been a fan of a man quickly and the way he’s played yes it does not mean he still can’t get Bad.
Scottie Barnes has already peaked while Cade CUnningham is All-NBA and Evan Mobley is the DPOY? Giannis Antetokounmpo would only want to be traded to the Toronto Raptors if Scottie Barnes is still here? Immanuel Quickley needs to dominate next season?
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0:00 ā Scottie Barnes has already peaked
2:07 – Scottie Barnes is not a point guard and never will be
5:16 ā The media has made their mind up on trading Scottie Barnes
6:19 ā If itās for Giannis you have to trade Scottie Barnes
7:19 ā Would you get the same value out of Barnes than you would for Giannis
8:25 ā Giannis Antetokounmpo would only come to Toronto to play next to Scottie
9:41 – The worst type of comments
13:44 ā Immanuel Quickley was the best Raptor in March
14:52 ā Immanuel Quickley still needs to get better
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34 Comments
I havenāt seen anyone suggest Scottie is a PG in a long ass time. Outdated narrative
Claiming Scottie āPeakedā is absolutely diabolical.
The dude is highly productive on both ends of the floor. Plays an ERA-less brand of basketball. Is an All Star calibre player. And honestly you know heās gonna be working hard on that 3 ball this summer.
Whether he stays or gets dealt in a blockbuster trade, the sky is the limit for that kid.
RJ Barrett will be a allstar next season ahead of Scottie and BI
Thoughts on running R.J at point guard
If we were to have to trade I.Q away to make money work in these upcoming seasons and only if we had to trade someone if we canāt keep the team how it is already
R.J whoās had experience playing point guard before entering the league and a player with already good playmaking skills at his current position Iāve been quite impressed by this season
Making the switch
would also make him one of the taller point guards in the league and hopefully boost his defensive performances taking advantage of that size difference
And it would benefit opening up our shooting guard/wing rotation aswell
R.J-J.W-B.I-S.B-Jake puddle
Gradey a six man quick scoring thread off the bench
Shead-battle-och-mogbo-maluach among others in rotation
You could name the video:
Lets talk about IQ.
or
'season ending review – IQ'
By including 'fans are saying this', youre framing a debate. Not that I care, i just comment for the algo.
Hey! That's my comment šš
Scottie is even getting worse on shooting
I would give it 1 or 2 years before saying scottie peaks. He really improved on ball in year 3, and last year he really improved defensively
Chris Boucher should start at Power Forward over Scottie Barnes: better shooter, better rebounder, solid humble team player.
Scottie Barnes complaining to refs is just pathetic to watch.
Barnes has a very bright future!!! Itās clear as day. He helped us tank and now he will help us win
How many times did Scottie get injured the past 12 months? It is silly to think that he can improve after coming back from an injury and trying to get his timing back . Some people are looking and talking but they are not seeing
I agree, 23 is not peak, he has drive and hustle and I think heāll be good in the NBA. Also, go Leafs go. OT loss isnāt the worst outcome last night
Not just Scottie – but Raps as a whole are built in a way that canāt win in the playoffs in the east. To many wings. They need a legit PF to contend in the east against BOS, CLE, NYK, IND, and to leader extent MIL all have depth to play us – but can expose Scotty and BI easily as these guys are sized like 3ās playing 4 and these teams have floor stretching 4ās built like 5ās.
Scottie aint even in his manly years yet, just wait..
FYI, Jokic may not be a PG by position but he is their lead offensive initiatorā¦. And and best passerā¦.. and yes VC said Barnes should be played more down low but you missed the fact VC said they should play Barnes more like Jokicā¦. As the lead offensive initiatorā¦ā¦and he can do that from a guard/ wing or forward position
NO excuse for anyone or excuses for everyone, RJ went 21 6 and 5 he got zero support while doing it The Scottie is a role player as soon as we know this we can move forward. 6 10 Essa Newell
Scottie wasnāt a #1 option in HS or college but apparently heāll lead an NBA team to a championship
Yes he's peaked.
I know the name is a cliche but Scottie B comp is Scottie P. SP was in college a little longer but took his prime leap at 25-26 5 years in. SP was only the best players on team 2 years that MJ was off playing baseball. Like SP he was great defensively and excellent Swiss Army knife. Even the great LBJ got more consistent at 3 point shooting beyond 4th year. If SB stays healthy and gets to 28 with no improvement. I will be wrong.
I'd still trade Scottie for Giannis
Who ever think Scotie will be a superstar is delusional Raptors should trade him b4 he lose value
Tomorrow is draft Lottery we will know where Toronto select. Can you tell us who are your top 4 players for the Raptors to select
If they select at 7. Iām not worrying about positions I want the best player available
Johnson
Fears
Knueppel
Jacucionis
Make him a key pieces to trade for Giannis I donāt see Scottie a leader like Lowry
Fan base might be lost lol i always say Scottie is a pg because hes our best player and his greatest strength is his passing and decision making. All duties as pg. i do agree with the notion of keeping him at PF spot but its strictly for defensive purposes but on offense he has to run the show. Jokic does the same thing at the Center spot. If jokic was developed as a traditional big or maybe as a stretch big weād be talking about a poor mans demarcus cousins rn. Joke with the ball is what makes him special and an mvp player. Imagine jokic without the playmaking what is he? Why limit scottie? Take the ball out Scottie hands we limit his potential and impact while we put our other players in position to stuggle. Its simple and im just glad front office already recognized and are building around the philosophy of Scottie being the lead play maker. Btw im not even saying Scottie developed into an off ball player wont be great still because as a play finisher he can easily be a 25-8- 5ast kind of player. We need to give Scottie a chance with a healthy team next year
TBH I wasn't impressed with Scottie this year, He has shown glimpses of talent but for the most part it was basic and plain did not feel he made other players better like a real superstar with him getting max money its not a good look.
Don't see how BI, IQ,RJ and Scottie fit unless we have talented shooters. As a PG he has too many TO's fails to run the offense properly.Despite all of this he may have more in his bag and will develop into a better shooter, Trading him for Giannis is not a bad idea if the Bucks are down but I don't see it working unless we get shooters around him.
The thing people don't understand is Scottie is way more versatile, and is being developed in rotation, which allows everyone else to work on their weakness.
We are trying to develop everyone from the ground up, so of course, that's going to hurt Scottie on a surface, casual viewer, level.
Do people realize how young, inexperienced, and lack of spacing this team had last year?
Someone like Cade has had the exact same role since day 1.
Mobley has basically had the same role since day 1.
Franz and Paolo, have had the same role since day 1.
If people wanted to see instant results, NIck Nurse should have let Scottie lead his rookie year, that was the perfect opportunity. But of course, those main vets were Fred and Pascal.
Too much complaining on calls. Plays too quick…. super inconsistent.
Scottie looks worse than he is blc Darko is trying to develpp his weaknesses. You don't get better by doing what your good at, Scottie will be an All-NBA player at the very least.
I agree.
Barnes is not a number 1 player and he is not worth 50 mil
We need a pg in the draft. Iq is a shooting guard
Trade him for Giannis
The problem with Scottie Barnes is his trainer doesnāt push him. This man come in the gym shoot 2 threes then go home. Nobody pushing him to give his best.
Scottie could be a Draymond Green kinda guy