EP. 520 – Fast Forward – Orlando Magic Podcast

EP. 520 – Fast Forward – Orlando Magic Podcast

This is the Sixth Man Show, an Orlando Magic podcast with your hosts Kevin Tucker and Jonathan Osborne covering all things Magic Basketball by fans for fans. Go Magic. What’s going on, Orlando Magic fans? You guys are back with the Sixman show. Today is May 22nd already. Holy crap. Uh Jonathan Osborne here as always. Joined by my co-host Kevin Tucker. Kevin, like it’s literally almost June. Like this year is flying by. The offseason, I’m sure, is probably going to do the same before we know it. We’ll be back at media day and then the season will be here. How are you doing, my friend? Boy, dude, I don’t know what I was going to say there, but how are you? Yeah, I was fine until you decided to, you know, pick different things to call me. That was weird. No, just kidding. Uh, yeah, good. It’s hard to believe. Yeah, May is flying by. Um, we’re like I guess a month ago, you know, generally a month ago the playoffs started, you know, I think April 20th, that weekend. Yeah, it was Easter weekend. Yeah. So, April 19th, 20th. So, we’re over a month removed from like game one and like all that stuff. And we’re just flying. We’re just flying through the summer. Um, but yeah, it things are good. Things are good. How about you? I’m Yeah, I’m doing well. Um, yeah, this last uh weekend was a little bit crazy. Unfortunately, our family van took a dump on us, which, you know, happens when you have, you know, over 150,000 mi on a vehicle, but I’m the proud owner of a new uh Hyundai Santa Fe new to you. And uh yeah, I was actually I didn’t even tell Luke. He’s going to Maybe he’ll just find out this way that I was in Ocala and didn’t I wasn’t planning on being in Ocala. Both times I’ve been in Ocala. Like we’re having two This might be the first time in the show’s history that we’ve talked about Ocala in two straight episodes. Yeah, with good reason. But yeah, I was in Ocala. Not didn’t necessarily want to be there initially. Who does? Because it was unplanned. But what was that? He said I didn’t want to be there initially. Who does? Yeah. No, I’m just kidding. Kevin versus the town of Ocala is going to be a legitimate rivalry here. I’m just going to say you are going to get it from Luke for being in Ocala and not seeing him. And I’m team Luke on this one cuz you’ve you’ve done it the other way around too, you know, not getting invites to Disney and those kinds of things from Luke. So, well, the first time I was there because and un kind of related to this, had another transmission issue with my mother’s vehicle, which is also a Hyundai, which by the way, they have the best warranty going. Like if you’re going to have problems before 100,000 mi, Hyundai is like the car to have, you know, 10year, 100,000 mi powertrain warranty. But again, I was like that was like an in and out of Ocala kind of deal. Got off work, drove, it’s an hour and 10 minutes out that way. Dropped off my mom’s car, picked up her loaner, drove it all the way back. And then this one, it was like we decided at I think like 6:45 that we were going to drive over to the the Hyundai in Ocala and see about buying a car and then we didn’t leave there until 10:30 at night. So there wasn’t, in my defense, Luke, when you’re listening to this, there wasn’t really a lot of time for me to like swing by Luke’s house and say what’s up. Yeah, I’ll let him be the judge. In my defense, these two circumstances could not be more different. Like when you’re planning a trip to Disney, like this was when I still had passes. You plan on going to Disney like at least days, weeks in advance. These are all things that have happened within a singular day. You’re trying to make this out to be something that it’s not, and you’re trying to stir the pot and create trying to be an instigator right now. You’re hearing a lot of excuses. That’s what I’m hearing. So, you know, whatever. Anyways, um yeah, if you’re here listening just to hear who is getting the Jaylen Suggs card, you are in luck. The winner is well, we’re actually going to announce that at the end of the episode. So, if you want to hear that, you’ll have to listen to what we’re going to talk about, but it’s right here. That’ll be going out to a lucky listener this week. So, um appreciate everybody that entered into that. We’ve seen a ton of uh you know, ratings and reviews come in across Apple Podcast and Spotify, which like I didn’t realize how many like ratings we already had on Spotify. So, if you’re a Spotify listener and you’ve left a rating, like really really appreciate that. Um but yeah, that’s been awesome. I did mention to Kevin before we started to record that I had a mini rant. I don’t I do care what rating you leave. We’re not asking for like a particular fivestar rating. I know we joked about them being five stars in nature on the last episode and I don’t even care if you leave us a onestar rating as long as it makes sense. Like if if your criticisms are valid, I’m all for that. But the problem that I found, and I’m not trying to single anybody out. I’m not going to like name names or anything, but there are a few onestar reviews that we have on Apple where we were once accused of 50 or like 40 to 50% of our episodes being ads, which is just not accurate, right? Like we have some obligations with the podcast network that we’re with to have a few in there. So, it’s like a minute at the beginning, there’s like two one minute chunks in the middle of the episode, and then there’s a post roll. Nobody listens to the post roll first of all, right? Yeah. Are we Maybe we should cut that out. No, just keep going. It’s fine. It’s fine. Okay. Nobody listens to that part. And then we have like a one minute jam and a one minute Patreon within an episode that’s like an hour and 10 minutes. Like nowhere near do we have 30 minutes of ad read. So that’s just ridiculous. And then another one of the onestar reviews was like, “This is actually a really good show, but I’m going to give it a a worse rating because of XYZ.” Or like, “This show actually isn’t that bad, but you’re giving it a one-star review.” Onestar reviews are reserved for like the worst of the worst. Like, if we’re an okay show and you don’t want to give us five, but you want to give us three, that makes sense. But to say like, “Oh, this show isn’t that bad.” And then you give us a one star. It’s like, bro, what what are you doing here? I just That’s my rant. Rant over. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t My feelings aren’t quite that strong. The only thing that bothers me is I wish Apple podcast had like a expiration date on reviews cuz a lot of our one star reviews are three, four, five, six years old. Like, you know how far like how far how hard we’ve worked on this show over six years like to make it better, to make it I mean, we’re still trying. We’re trying to make it better all the time. So, yeah, I’m sure, you know, I mean, when I got here four years ago, the show like, yeah, we it was different than it is now. You know, we weren’t doing as good of a job, but with reps, you get better. And so, I wish some of those sucked before you and Luke got here is what I’m hearing. No, that’s what I’m saying. I’m saying we all evolve, Jonathan. No, I’m kidding. Um, yeah, that part bothers me, but whatever. I didn’t realize that our show was so polarizing because like we on Apple for example by far and away the most that we have is like five star. But if you had to then rank like the star that we have the next most of it’s one star. So you either love our show or you completely hate it, right? Unlike Spotify which is overwhelmingly good, you know. I don’t know. It’s weird. It’s okay though. It’s very interesting. So I wanted to say Jonathan, did you have something else on ratings before? No, I was just gonna say we we appreciate all the ratings regardless, but like I just ask that they make sense. I don’t think that’s asking a ton. Yeah. Um I was gonna say, Jonathan, I personally loved the reactions to the episode we just had with Paul Porter. Like I loved reading the comments and the tweets and those kinds of things. That was really cool. It was really cool for us obviously to get to talk with him and walk down memory lane, but also be able to like pay our respects essentially to like what he’s what he was able to do over 36 years and what some of us think he should still be doing. But um yeah, it was really cool. I’m just kind of glad that that episode seemed to go over so well and people enjoying getting to hear from Paul and his stories and yeah, that that was really special, I thought. Yeah. And you know, they always say like the saying is like, you know, there’s your side, their side, and the truth is always like somewhere in the middle. And and not to like discredit anything that Paul said or like to say that he’s not telling the truth or anything, but like to to allow him to give his side of things. his side of things and that people just kind of assumed the situation showing the lightning bias over the magic and stuff like that. Giving him the ability to address that stuff. Yeah. And we even got like a good amount of feedback on that of like, hey, actually I I did hear that rumor as well or actually I I did think that was the case and for him to be able to set the record straight on that was was really cool. like we don’t really get to we don’t really like break news a lot on the show or like have things like that that kind of are you know kind of newsworthy like we we’ve had other quotes and stuff that players have said from time to time but that feels like one of the more significant things that we’ve got to kind of introduce to Magic fans. I I I don’t not doing a good job of explaining that but I think you all kind of understand what I’m saying there. So yeah, the response to that has been amazing. It was a awesome opportunity. We appreciate Paul. Hopefully it’s not the last time. Hopefully we can have him on again another time. You know, he’s going to continue to follow the magic and having him at a game would be incredible, too. So, yeah. Appreciate everybody that’s listened to that. And yeah, reception to that’s been great. Yeah. And, uh, he did say he’d sit with us at a game. So, I’m going to pursue that. Absolutely. To sit next to Paul Porter at a Magic game, that would be like bucket list material. That’d be awesome. You’re sitting there with Paul Porter and somebody travels and he just kind of muttered under his breath, “Traveling.” Yeah, that’d be pretty cool. No, what what’ll happen is he’ll travel and I’ll say, “Paul, Paul, say it. Say it, Paul. Come on.” Say he said the thing. He said the thing. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Uh never. I was going to say like something we get him a megaphone. So he’s like, you know, kind of that that’s not a good idea. That’s that’s terrible. Just clearly a joke. I hope anybody listening to that understands that. I’m I’m very much kidding there. Okay, let’s jump into I guess like the real content of this episode. So, as we do every offseason after the season is concluded, we go through and do player grades. Uh we usually do them by position groups and then we have a separate episode where we talk about the front office and the coaching staff. So, on this episode, we’re going to start with forwards. Next episode, which will be Monday, will be the bigs. Next Thursday’s episode, will be the guards. And then that following Monday’s episode will be Jamal Mosley in the front office and kind of the the job that they did. So, one of the things that I like the most uh about doing these is when we would do them with Luke. Um we kind of we don’t talk about the criteria for our grades before we get into this. Um but I do think it’s important now that we’re recording to talk about what our criteria is because you and I may have the same criteria. We may have different criteria. when we do have different criteria that kind of leads to different conversations. So, I always find that to be interesting. As we go through this, what kind of lens are are you looking at giving these player like grades? Are you grading them all on the same scale? Like what does that look like for you, Kev? Yeah, I think the primary thing I’ll I’ll be like I guess the primary lens through which I’ll be doing this is what what did I expect going into this season, right? like what were my expectations? Um whether it’s based on their past or based on their new role or whatever it might be, what were my expectations going into the season and how did their actual performance match up with their my expectations for them this season? And so, um that’s largely how I’m going to do this. There might be a couple exceptions, you know, um but that’s kind of the general idea that I’m I’m going for. That’s kind of where I am, too. And I’m sure we’ll have I’m sure our grades will be somewhat in the same neighborhood. Maybe they won’t be. Maybe we can, you know, get into it here and things will get a little controversial. Probably not. But I do reserve the right to change my mind. So if we have a grade, we have a conversation, you know, maybe we can maybe not come to a consensus, but if one person changes the other’s opinion on something or makes a good point, you know, feel free to to bump your grade, you know, kind of one way or the other. So, what do you say we just uh jump right into it here? So, we’re not going to bury the lead here. We’re going to start with Paulo Bancerero again. So, we’re talking about what we expected from Paulo going into this year. So, Kev, um I’m I I want to say I want to give you the honors, but I kind of want to give you the opportunity to throw yourself under the bus before I do. So, why don’t you go first? Oh, great. Yeah. Great. Appreciate that. You know, it’s it’s obviously with the the leading storyline of this whole season for the whole team is health, right? And so obviously Paulo plays plays six games, but really gets injured. I think it was six or five. Six or five, whatever it was in that last game. Yeah, five games. Uh gets injured uh in that Chicago game. And obviously, you know, the rest is history. And so for that end, you know, he only plays 46 games. You know, that’s a bummer. Fortunately, it’s not a trend, right? We’ve never seen that before with him at any point in his career. And so I’m I’m I’m not going to factor that into Paulo’s situation. Like I’m not going to factor the missed games. You know, maybe that’s wrong with me, but you know, 46 games is what it is. What he did when he was on the floor for the 46 games and for the playoffs, I mean, just under 26 points a game, man. 25.9 points per game this year. That’s crazy. 22 years old doing that. He had 7 and a half rebounds, 4.8 eight assists, almost a steal, just about half a block. Yeah, I mean that’s that’s a lot of good. You know, you go to percentages here. That’s where things start to change a little bit. 32% from three. Not terrible, but it is down from the year before, right? Um and then uh the free throw shooting 72%. Not an improvement at all from the year before. Um, but yeah, all in all, I I can’t I don’t think I can give him an A+, you know, cuz there are a couple things that, like I said, the free throw shooting in particular didn’t improve on. Um, but 26 points per game as a 22-year-old, I think I got to go with an A. Like maybe that’s a little generous. I don’t know. It feels right to me. You know, if I had to nitpick a couple things, it’s the free throw shooting only. I mean, three turnovers are turnovers a game with how much the ball was in his hands this year. I can’t really get mad at that. Like, yeah, he had some high turnover games. Had a stretch with a lot of high turnover games in a row. Same same as Fron, which we’ll talk about in a second, but three turnovers a game, I’m not getting mad at that. So, but all in all, I’m going to say an A. Um, how does that rating sit with you? So, what’s funny is I actually thought about the injury a little bit differently. Um because like coming back from the injury, he he just really didn’t look all that great and and I I really did account for that, right? Like I do think maybe maybe not so much with the forward group. I actually no like Jonathan Isaac being a forward and I maybe we should have said like who we’re considering forwards. So yeah, Paulo Fron, Ji, Tristan, Caleb, Jet, those are who we’re considering forwards. So part of my evaluation of JI was the health, right? Like it’s kind of I don’t think it’s right to have the conversation around JI and not to talk about the health at all. So I tried to apply that to everyone. Um so the the health did play a part in my thinking. At the end of the day, I still came to the same grade that you did with an A because what he did when he was healthy, to be completely transparent, was so far and above how like I thought he was going to be better this year. I didn’t expect him to take like the allNBA type of leap that we saw this year. So, yes, you already kind of laid out the numbers of like the 46 games in the regular season. He had the fantastic first five games and then you know misses two and a half months, three months somewhere around there and then comes back we all know was a little bit rusty. I just want to jump to the postallar break. So 24 games after the all-star break the Magic were 11 uh sorry 13 and 11. He averaged 29 points, 7.8 rebounds, four and a half assists and almost a stock and a half per game on 2.8 turnovers. He shot 47% from the floor, 33% from the three-point line, and 78% from the free throw line. And then when we jump over to the playoffs for Paulo in five games, this dude 29.4 points per game, 8.4 rebounds, 4.2 assists, just under a stock and a half per game, shot 43% from the floor, 44% from behind the arc. the free throw shooting was horrid. 65% in the in the playoffs from the the charity stripe there. But given the fact that the playoffs every single possession was Palo or France do something where you have nothing at all um just incredibly impressive. So, even considering the health, just being able to see like what level he was at when he was healthy and when he was whole, we’re talking about a guy who is a, you know, top 12 to 15 guy in the entire league in my opinion. Definitely in the conversation for all NBA, depending on what the Magic are able to do and the level of team success that they can have next year, could potentially be in the in the MVP conversation. Definitely going to be an all-star next year. So, even considering the injury, just how good he looked when he was 100% exceeded really what I expected going into this year. If it had not been for the health and we saw this all season long, it would have been an A+. But I did have to give him a little bit of a knock there just because of the availability. Yeah, I I was about to mention the the playoff numbers, like the playoff performance. I mean, we talked about it obviously, but like you’re playing against the Boston defense, very good defense. You’re getting zero help. Obviously, like you said, it was either Fron or Palo Pal outside of that, just zero help. Same thing we saw from uh stretches of the 2024 playoffs, right? At game seven in particular. But yeah, his shooting numbers, I mean, again, 44% from three in the playoffs. That’s just insane. You know, he he was so good. 29 points against that defense. Yeah, he was just so impressive. So, yeah, obviously you wonder what could have been without the injury, but from what we got from Paulo as far as availability, there’s not a whole lot you can complain about for him this season. Yeah, I think we’re on the same page there. Both both A’s, I think. I don’t think you gave him an A+ there. Um, okay. So, let’s move on to Fron. So, I made you go first, last, so I’ll I’ll go first here now with Fron. Yep. Uh, so looking at Fron’s numbers here, and I I have them. Where did my Excel sheet go here? So, Fron played in 60 games this year. He played 33.7 minutes per game, and he averaged 24.2 points per game, 5.7 rebounds, 4.7 assists. He averaged just under two stocks per game. He shot 46% from the floor. almost got to 30% from three on the season, but still finished under. Shot 87% at the free throw line while also having one of, if not the toughest assignment on defense night in and night out. And then in the playoffs in five games for Fron, 25.8 points per game, 4.8 rebounds, 5.6 assists, just over a stock and a half there. Shot 44% from the floor. a horrid 18% from the three-point line while shooting almost 77% from the charity stripe in the playoffs. So, the shooting is is really the biggest sort of draw down for France this season as well as the health considering all of that. the absolute leap that Fron took um not only you know while P Paulo was out but when Paulo came back and um you know Fran was looking a little bit fresher off that injury initially then struggled a little bit finished the season strong and then when it came to the playoffs again it was only Paulo or Fron every single possession while guarding Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown for the majority of those games. So for me I gave Fran an A+. Um it’s a little bit hypocritical because of the health was a little bit healthier than Paulo, you know, played what was that 14 more games than he did I believe it was in the regular season. But Fron just took such a large leap to that level was legitimately in you know November was legitimately like in all NBA MVP conversations during that stretch because he was playing so well, the Magic were playing so well. um you know, square, you know, third, fourth in the East during that time. Bronze was just legitimately so good during that stretch. I’m going to pull up his November numbers in just a moment here. Bronze 25.4 points, 5.9 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 2.3 turnovers, two steals per game on 46% from the floor, 34% from behind the arc, and 84% at the free throw line. while the Magic went 11 and five in 16 games in November. Like Fron was at just a allNBA, MVP, all-star, whatever award you want to throw at him at that point was that good during that stretch. And the fact that we got to see him at that level was something that I didn’t have even at my loftiest expectations for Fron. Like that was such a pleasant surprise. Paulo goes out and we’re like, “What are we going to do?” like, “Hey, Fron, you’re getting paid like a max player. You got the max contract. It’s time to play like a max player.” Was I super confident that he was going to get there? No. I think he got to that point and even exceeded that. So, because of him just exceeding his, you know, performance expectations in my eyes, I gave him an A+. Yeah. I mean, what a leap. You know, you talked about it, but again, that stretch where Palo was out and we thought, man, the season’s done, right? like this season is over. And in some ways, you know, the idea of what the season could have been was over, but Fron is the one who kept it alive, you know, like quite literally putting the team on his back during that stretch against a lot of very difficult teams, I might add. That was so impressive, so fun. Um, we we talked a little bit about his defense, but like his defense just he’s just getting better. Like that’s the other part about his game. Mike obviously coming into the season great defender but this year seeing him again on some of the best players in the league for most of the year was he was great. He was great. I I can’t as great as great as he was as great as he was I can’t turn a blind eye to to the shooting. I just I just can’t. Like he had the down year last year. you know, the season before he shot 36% and we’re thinking, you know, that’s just part of his rise to being a quite good three-point shooter. Then 23 24 happens, which he shot 28% and we’re like, oh man, what a terrible year. It’s it’s an anomaly. He’s going to bounce back. And he bounced back to 29%. You know, um that was disappointing. On the other hand, I was like, man, if he can just knock some shots down in the playoffs, I’ll forget about the regular season. And it was worse, you know, like you said, 18 19% whatever it was in the playoffs from three. I that that’s my limitation from A+ as great as he was, as great as he was. And and again, compared to what I expected for this season, great. But part of my expectations for this season was an improvement in three-point shooting. And so because that didn’t happen, it’s an A for me. It doesn’t mean I’m I’m team trade fron. It doesn’t mean any of that. Like not even close to that. I I still believe somehow someway that three-point shooting is going to bounce back. Um you don’t go a lifelong threep point like decent three-point shooter and then just it goes away forever. Like we’ve never seen that. Well, barring injuries, I don’t think we’ve ever really seen it. So, it’ll bounce back at some point, but because it didn’t happen this season, I’m going to same as Paulo just going to go with an A. That’s totally fair. And like I said, I reserve the right to change my mind. And change my mind you have. So, I probably will knock Fronze down to an A. Um, again, totally exceeded all my expectations. And again, when I get if I say Fronze is an A+ and Paulo is an A, like that doesn’t mean I think that Fron had a better year than Paulo. Like, we’re talking about what we thought we were getting from these guys. So, we’re kind of like grading them against like our preseason expectations here. So, yeah, the shooting was a a a massive issue. Um the the one kind of positive that I have is the fact that he did shoot 87% from the free throw line, right? And I I just have to believe that that’s going to translate at some point. He has so much touch everywhere else on the floor, whether that’s at the free throw line, you know, showed, you know, that he’s adding a little bit in the mid-range and obviously all the crazy like layups and stuff that you just can’t make and can’t finish without that level of touch. he’s added, you know, the runner and like kind of like the running hook shot, like all that kind of stuff that he does. I just feel that that has to translate to to good shooting at some point. So, yeah, you made a a perfectly good and and fair argument in my initial evaluation. I probably didn’t take a look enough at the shooting and and kind of Yeah, you know what? We actually did expect that to bounce back and it it didn’t really bounce back. Like, it kind of was like, hey, I’m kind of still alive. like it’s a little bit better, but it’s still nowhere near where we expected it to be or or where we want it to be. Yeah. And again, sorry. And again, I was very much like, hey, if you figure this out in time for the playoffs, like everything’s forgiven. And the fact that it was 10 points worse, you know, 10% worse is just Yeah, it’s not not a good look. And so, yeah, that’s why really tough. The Sixman Show is brought to you by Jam Hot Chicken. Jam Hot Chicken is bringing jams, culture, and hot chicken to the heart of Winter Park. 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Appreciate the love. And now, let’s go ahead and get back to the episode. Okay, I think this next one has the potential to be the most interesting and potentially the most different for us. Um, Jonathan Isaac, and I have no issues with letting you go first here. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. I’ll I’ll uh I’ll be the uh the lucky one to do that. So, JI this season, you got to start with the good played 71 games. That is not something to be ignored. Um, I mean looking back before it was 5811 000 34 his second season in the league 2018 2019 played 75 games and his rookie season 27. So this is the second most games he’s ever played in the league by a lot you know the next the third uh place season was last year at 58. So that’s that’s amazing, right? Amazing for him to be healthy. Amazing that our uh training staff was able to keep him healthy. All those things that’s great. Um it that that might be where the the positives for me might end honestly compared to what I expected for the season. Um ends up playing 15 minutes a game. I I love him playing 71 games, but man, we need more than 15 minutes. If if it’s 23 24 Isaac or or earlier, right, we need more than 15 minutes. So that that’s a a downer for me. um offensively didn’t give you hardly anything. I know he averaged 5.4 points, but um that that number seems high to me. Just thinking about over the season, like I felt like there were a lot of games that were even less than that. You know, shot the ball 25% from three. Guy that used to be pretty pretty good, especially in those corners, you know, last season 37% from three. the season before that 40% from three on much smaller sample size than that season, but we’ll use last season 37 12% right. Um to drop 25 that’s that’s a bit of an L. Um and then defensively he he just he he wasn’t Jonathan Isaac, right? Like he he wasn’t bad and obviously all the analytics point to great defender, all those kinds of things, but he wasn’t the same, right? And he talked about it we we talked about it all season. he talked about at the end of the season, you know, the whole putting on weight and how that experiment just didn’t work. Um, and so obviously hopefully going into next season that that weight can be lost and we can he can return to the Jonathan Isaac we know and love plus play 71 games plus play more minutes because he’s healthy and more fit and those kinds of things. But none of that happened this year and so I’m stalling at this point while I decide what grade I want to give him because this is tough. Um, I I feel like I just got to go with a D, honestly. Like, I be harsh. I’m going to go with a D. It’s It wasn’t It wasn’t the same. It just wasn’t the same Jonathan Isaac. And 71 games is amazing, but what we saw just wasn’t wasn’t him. Yeah, I I so agree with pretty much everything that you just said. Um, I do think the regardless of whose idea it was, and it does seem like it was kind of like a collaborative thing, um, I think Ji probably was just kind of being like the good soldier, like, hey, if this is what the team wants me to do, this is what the team needs me to do, if this is going to be the best thing for the team, then I’m along for the ride, right? Um, everybody underestimated how much of an impact adding that weight was going to have on Ji. That being said, I just can’t look past the fact that he played 71 games. Now, the thing about him playing that many games or he played 1,090 minutes this season, the year 2019 2020 where he has the I think it was like the PCL injury New Year’s Day in Washington, then comes back in the bubble. He played 34 games. Do you want to guess how many minutes he played? Unless you have it in front of you. Don’t look it up. I don’t have the total, but I I see the minutes per game. And so I can do a little bit of math and 9. So he only played 110 more minutes this season. Mhm. Appearing in 47 more games, right? Like that is a is a big problem. And kind of putting two and two together, it seems like that was directly correlated to him putting on the weight and just never being able to get the conditioning where it needed to be. Right. Right. Like he said last year, I think he went into the season weighing 230. He ended this season after getting all the way up to 250 or whatever it was. He got all the way back down to 235, which is normal for guys to bulk up, you know, in the offseason and and cut, you know, obviously the amount of games that they’re playing and the travel and everything like that. It’s normal to cut weight down, but he still finished the season in like his best possible shape of this frame heavier than he usually starts another season at. So, um, but again, him playing in 71 games, I know we talked about it all year long. The eye test didn’t really tell you that he was still one of the most impactful impactful defenders in the league, but all of those kind of defensive impact metrics still showed that he was at like I don’t know 70 75% of the JI that we are accustomed to. The biggest problem for me is one the minutes and then behind that was just an absolute non-factor offensively and I know we can say oh well the whole team was well outside of Fron and Powell kind of everybody was a disappointment offensively right so that’s going to go into these grades but I wasn’t going to give Ji anything crazy but I ended up giving him a C. Like I don’t think you and I are are that far apart. I just couldn’t look past the fact that like sure it was 15 minutes a night, but the fact that he was able to play 71 games, still playing 15 minutes a night. I think we had the expectation this year that he was going to be able to come in and just play more than he did last season. Last season he plays in where was it? 58 games. Played 15.8 minutes. This year he played 71 games, 15.4 minutes. That’s essentially the same amount of minutes, but he was able to play in 13 more games this year and not really being on like the limiting the backtobacks or the three games in four nights, all that kind of stuff. Was able to play in almost every game this year. The only person that I think played more games for the Magic this year, I believe, was either I think it was Tristan and Contavius Cwell Pope if I’m not mistaken. So for JI to be in your top three or four, you know, in terms of like games played, for me that that exceeded our expectations. So I ended up at a C for JI. Yeah. The only other thing I’ll add in a season where the team is healthy, I think we can maybe look past the 15 minutes, maybe a little bit more, but in the season where you lose Mo Vagner, and obviously they’re not the same player. I’m not I’m not saying he should have just replaced Mo Vagner and what he what he offers, but you know, minutes-wise, I I thought that he, you know, ideally would fill more of those minutes that we lost for Mo and it just wasn’t possible, right? Like it’s it’s not just it the problem is also twofold, right? Like sometimes he’s out there playing and he’s gassed and he’s played all he can play. Sometimes he he just was taken off the court cuz he wasn’t contributing, right? like that’s also the other part of the 15 minutes. And so, yeah, just not not the season I think anyone wanted for him. You know, even him, you know, uh on the exit interviews was saying like it he just had a bad year. Like he he openly said he was not happy with how things went this year. And um so that that’s kind of encouraging to hear honestly to hear a player admit like Yeah, it’s not it’s not like Magic fans are crazy. Like I hated it too. Um but yeah, hopefully opens the door for some improvement this year. Hard to believe he’s going to be 28 during the season next year. Yeah, we’re getting old. Jonathan Isaac’s nearing 30. It’s crazy. Usually, you would think that C means that you met expectations, but for me, he met expectations or exceeded expectations in some areas and like didn’t meet expectations in others. So, just kind of weighing all to that all that together kind of at a C here. So, next up for us is going to be Tristan Dilva, the rookie. And in Tristan’s rookie year, he appeared in 74 games. He started 38 of those. He played 22 minutes a game, and he finished the season at 7.2 points per game, 3.3 rebounds, an assist, and a half a game. Uh almost, you know, just over a half stock per game. Shot 41% from the floor, 33% from behind the ark, 87% at the free throw line. And then in the playoffs, obviously we didn’t see quite as much. Tristan Dilva played in two games, two and a half minutes per game. Uh didn’t score, averaged half an assist, averaged two rebounds and a turnover. And yeah, just not great. Didn’t play a ton in the playoffs. And um we saw him have sort of, you know, a place in the rotation early in the year and then guys start to go out. Then all of a sudden he’s in the starting lineup and then guys start to come back and then he’s kind of out of the lineup like in and out of the lineup and then more guys get hurt and he’s still kind of in and out of the lineup. So it was really a an interesting up and down year for Tristan. I will say there are things that he did that really exceeded my expectations in terms of like, you know, the the defense being really solid, the the rebounding being, you know, kind of serviceable for his experience and kind of the slender frame. Obviously, we know he’s going to put on muscle over the course of the next few years. And then like the passing, being able to do stuff off the dribble, and then he wasn’t quite as good in other areas. the shooting one of those. Um, but you know, it’s rookie year. I’m not really looking too much into that, but he did step up and have some really big games. Like had the gamewinner against Boston. Um, for the most part when he was in the starting lineup was really reliable, really, really good. You kind of knew exactly what you were getting from him on a night in and nightout basis. had some big games, but then just had this weird kind of second half of the season where he was just in and out of the lineup and then when he would play wasn’t really all that good or or really overly impactful. Um, but I think really at least I had the expectation going into the season that he just may not really play a ton. Um, like was it going to be him or was it going to be Jet in the starting lineup? was Tristan gonna spend any time, you know, in Oyola, you know, with the G-League team, all that. So, um, when I thought about that and not really knowing what my expectations were for him to have a spot in the lineup, I certainly didn’t expect him to start, you know, 30 plus games his rookie year. So, uh, I ended up at a B for Tristan. What about you? Yeah. Um, I was pleasantly surprised with Tristan this year. Before I, you know, talk about my thoughts and my grade, hearing you talk through Tristan’s season, just it’s deja vu. It’s it’s Anthony Black’s rookie season all over again, right? If you if you think about they both, you know, not necessarily in the rotation at the beginning, injuries happen, they’re forced to start, forced to contribute. They they give their best during that stretch, which ironically was in the kind of the same time of the year. They give their best. They’re very serviceable. they contribute to winning basketball. Then as guys come back, they just fall out of the rotation for one reason or another. You know, maybe it’s just a Mosley thing. It’s going to give more minutes to veterans or whatever it is. And it’s the same thing that happened with Trista, right? Back-to-back season. We’ve seen that with Anthony Black and with Tristan. So, for me, what the first off, like you said, 74 games, very impressive. That’s great. Um, seven points, three boards. the field goal percentage is, you know, not great. Three-point percentage was okay, but again, you said, like you said, he’s a rookie. I I I was just super happy with it. Like I I’m very very pro Tristan D Silva. I feel like he can absolutely be a part of the core of this team moving forward. Again, not like not like the cornerstones, right? But teams that have cornerstones need other bricks around them, right? Like and bricks is a terrible term to use for this magic. I mean, no, it’s actually the perfect term. Maybe it is. Maybe it is, but you know what I’m saying with going with that analogy and I I think Tristan at least through one year, he sold me. So, um, when it comes to expectations, what I expected from this him this season, we knew he had a very high floor but potentially low ceiling compared to a lot of other guys that were drafted and he proved that. He proved that for me. Um, and honestly exceeded it. I wish he got more minutes later in the season. Like to me that’s a that was a mistake by the coaching staff to give minutes to guys that are older and suck at least that much if not more than what what Tristan was doing offensively, right? And so to not give those minutes to Tristan, it was a bit of an L. So for me, I actually going to go I’m going to go a little higher. I’m going to go a minus. Like I was very happy with Tristan. Um and he definitely sold me as a as a part of this team going forward. Yeah, I definitely don’t hate that grade, but you’re kind of the last few sentences just reminded me of how much fun it’s going to be to do these guard grades when we get to those in in a couple episodes. Oh, those are going to be pretty tough. Yeah, if I if I called Tristan a brick in the, you know, the foundation of the building. Holy smokes. Brick walls and yellow brick roads and all kind of stuff being built over there with the guards. Tune in to that episode, folks, next Monday. Oh, that’s going to be a ton of fun. Thursday. That’s Thursday’s episode. Excuse me. Sorry. Right. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Monday we’re doing the bigs. Thursday we’ll do the guards. Yeah. Perfect. Okay. Next up, Caleb Houston. So, in his third year, Caleb Houston played in 58 games, started six, played 13.6 minutes per game, averaged 4.1 points per game. Uh, let’s see. also added 1.3 rebounds, just over a half assist, just under a half steel. He shot 42% from the floor and shot, I believe, a team high 40% from behind the ark, 88% from the free throw line. And then in the playoffs, Caleb played five games, 9 minutes per game, 1.2 points per game. Everything else pretty uh pretty pedestrian. uh 20% from behind the ark, 14% from the floor, just like everybody else, not named Paulo and Fron had a pretty poor showing in the playoffs. But for me, compared to what we expected from Caleb going into this year, I wasn’t sure that he was going to be in the rotation at all. I thought you have younger players who you have or I guess Tristan is older than Caleb, but I guess less experienced, you know, guys who you have more recent um higher level draft capital invested into in terms of Tristan Dilva and Jet Howard. I just didn’t really see Caleb’s place in the lineup. And kind of the knock on Caleb Houston coming into this season and and really the last couple of seasons has been, hey, we drafted this guy to be a three-point shooter and he just quite honestly was not a three-point shooter. Like going back to his first couple of years in the league, 33.8, 37.3, and then this year up to 40%. and really like that I don’t know like the third quarter of the season where Caleb, you know, started to get hot and really got hot in a lot of those games and was able to to boost up those percentages. Like taking a look at the game log here and going a little bit like deeper into the season like four of six from behind the ark, six of seven from behind the arc, four of eight from behind the arc. like those games kind of elevated his shooting percentages for the year because, you know, he only takes 160 for the entire season. So, average two a game, but 64 of 160 good for 40%. Um, because like I just really didn’t expect much out of Caleb and then him being in the lineup. If you would have told me that he had, what I have expected to to give kind of like the shooting boost that he did towards the end of the season, wouldn’t really have expected that either. Um but because he was impactful in spots but over the course of the season still really left a lot to be desired. I mean he’s fine you know um fine defensively but if we are going to play him you just some of the games we did a really good job of finding him a lot of opportunities. Um but just like too many games where he’s out there for 14 minutes and you know has like one attempt and and stuff like that. So for me when it comes to Caleb I ended up at AB. Yeah, I think that’s fair for me. It’s a tale of two seasons for Caleb and you kind of talked about it, but pre-allar break shot 31% from three. Postallar break 50% from three. Right. Like tale of two halves for him. Um was you talk about didn’t expect him to be in the rotation. He wasn’t in the rotation to start the season either. You know, it it was when the injury started happening. Got more minutes and then kept those minutes as the season went along. I have a weird weird stat for you about Caleb Houston. One that I didn’t know until I pulled this up while you were talking. Okay. Caleb Houston shot the ball obviously well this season. 40% for the whole season. Shot the ball really well Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays. Talking about days of the week. Shot above league average every day of the week except on games that were on Monday. shot 14% from three. Is that anything? I don’t know. But that’s that is the weirdest. The gap is literally 30% between Monday and the next closest day, which looks like Wednesday at 36%. 30. He’s 32% worse on Mondays. What I’m most interested in is hearing how you found that. It’s on basketball reference. If you go to if you go to the splits, you scroll down, it go has day of the week. They really have splits by the days of the week, which again, I stumbled upon it as I was, you know, looking. Yeah. So, that’s kind of weird. Hundreds of hours in basketball reference and had no idea that they had a split for days of the week. Yep. I just thought this dude in October shot I mean, he only shot 33. 66% in March. This dude shot 54%. Yep. 27 of 48. Yeah. Very impressive. March. March was that Minnesota game. Remember that? He was six, I think, six of eight that game. March was also his other six of eight game, I think, if I remember correctly. But anyway, sorry to go off on the, you know, days of the week thing. I just That’s awesome. I’m thrilled that I have this knowledge now. Do that. Yeah, this uh very useless stat, but no. Um, yeah, Caleb, I mean, we we talked about last offseason that this is probably his last Harraat. Like, this is this past season was his last chance to prove that he belongs as part of this core moving forward. Last chance. I mean, honestly, we weren’t sure if this might be his last chance to prove he belongs in the NBA at all, you know. And so, uh, it wasn’t perfect, right? Um, again, the first pre-allar he he was not shooting the ball well and it looked it looked grim for our our Caleb, you know. Um, but he was able to bounce back the last third of the season and give him credit for that. And so, yeah, I mean, I feel like based on expectations, maybe it was a little better than my expectations. I I’ll give him a C++. Um, again, the back third very impressive. I can’t discredit the first two/3s, though. Like, they weren’t good. It was pretty bad. Um, but yeah, he bounced back in a nice way, so I’ll give him a C+. All right. Um, yeah, I don’t I don’t hate that. Um, I guess what conclusion have you come to in terms of like, man, I I I do think I mean 40% over the course of a season, even if if it’s on low volume. I mean, the first two seasons were on low volume and we’re we came to the conclusion like, hey, this guy’s not a three-point shooter right now. So, if you can get to that conclusion on low volume, like him looking so much better this year on I mean, honestly, it’s even a little bit less volume than than last year if you’re looking at like the per game stuff, but he he he was like he was gone for so much longer last year like in OciOla, all all that kind of stuff. Like if if we’re actually taking a look and I guess he ended up playing the really the same amount of minutes, the same amount of games as last year. he just had half half an attempt more last year. Um I don’t really know that that’s really gonna skew it one way or the other. I am more confident in him being like a shooter off the bench at this point. Like am I saying he’s a guy that is like in the rotation day one next year? No. But is he a good depth piece, a really cheap depth piece to have at this point? Like making $2 million a year? probably be able to resign him for not all that much more than that, like maybe four or five million dollars a year. If you can have a guy like that on the end of your bench, a guy who is a good culture guy, is a hard worker, has been in the system, like I’m 100% fine with like if they come to like some type of extension with Caleb Houston this season. I definitely think if he’s not here, I do still think he finds an NBA roster now. I if I’m his agent, I’m pushing him like to the depths of Hades. Like I’m sending him to Charlotte or Washington or somewhere where I know the team’s going to be bad. This guy’s going to get an opportunity to play a little bit and at least show that, hey, like I do this thing really well and I can stick in the league because of that. I also wouldn’t be surprised if like three years he’s out of the league. Mhm. Yeah. you asked my verdict on him. Um, yeah, the point you mentioned, yeah, he’s going to make $2 million next year, assuming the team, you know, exercises that club option, which they’re they’re going to, by the way. Like, you can’t get a lot of NBA players for $2 million these days, you know. Um, so yeah, I think he’s going to be around and and I’m okay with that. Yeah, he he might be at the end of the bench next season depending on what moves happen. Um, it it also is unlikely that if the Magic were to make a trade that a lot of people want them to make, it’s unlikely that Caleb Houston’s in that trade for two reasons. One, may not necessarily be a guy that a lot of teams are clamoring for, right? Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there are teams that see something in him and they’re like, “Yeah, we want a shooter and we think he’ll be that.” But again, the other part of it is it’s $2 million. it’s not swinging the pendulum at all when it comes to or hardly at all I should say when it comes to making salaries matchups. So yeah, I’m I’m totally down for him coming back one more season. Um definitely again the team’s going to exercise that option for $2.1 million next year. Yeah, I think he’ll be back. Okay, now let’s just get to Jet. Um Jet, let’s let’s let’s give our grades on on three. Oh, gosh. I haven’t thought I haven’t Okay, you really haven’t thought about it. No, I This one I was just gonna just talk myself into a grade, whatever it was. Um, I’m going to give you to the I’m going to count down from five and then you have to commit to something. 5 4 3 2 1 D C minus. Oh. Oh, C minus. See, look. But this is the thing. You kind of got what you expected out of this year. I did not. I thought that there was a legitimate chance that Jet would end up in the lineup at some point this year. He was given opportunity, right? Like maybe it’s not as opportunity as he needs right now, but he was given an opportunity. He played 60 games this year. Played 11.7 minutes per game. So compared to last year when he played 18 games and 3.7 minutes, all garbage time, by the way. All garbage time. Last year he did get like significant non-garbage regular season minutes this year at certain points. Okay. He finished with four and a half points per game, 1.2 rebounds, less than an assist a game. On 4.4 field goal attempts, shot 37.4% from the floor. And on 3.1 three-point attempts, shot 29.6% from behind the ark. and under 70%. I mean, he shot less than a half a free throw a game. So, this guy is is getting to the line once every other game to shoot two free throws, even a little bit less than that on average. Um, and yeah, was given opportunity and did show offensive flashes. I do still think he can shoot the basketball for whatever reason. has not been able to do that and showcase that in games on a regular basis. I do think the offensive feel is a little bit underrated in terms of like the passing and some of the vision that he has there, but right now that is really where the positives with Jet Howard end is still a complete liability defensively, which is frustrating for me because when he is engaged and locked in and is giving Max effort on that end, he has shown that he can stay in front of guys, maybe not like the best guys in the league, but like your bench guy, your six-man. He has I can I can probably remember like a handful of possessions this year where I came away from that saying like, “Jet, if you could just do that every possession, you would be on the floor consistently, but it’s still too much of not giving a ton of effort on that end or just having like mental lapses where you’re guarding a guy in the corner, you fall asleep, and now he’s cutting behind you for a wideopen layup. stuff like that. So again, me having the expectation that Jet might crack the rotation and, you know, shows to be a little bit more serviceable on that end, he did not meet my expectations, but it wasn’t so far off of like I wasn’t expecting him to come in and and have like the year that Anthony Black had for example. So I I don’t think it’s fair enough like fair to give him an F. Uh, so I ended up at a D. Yeah, sorry. The Pacers just tied this game up and it’s going to overtime anyway. Um, yeah. So, I’m glad you made that point. Like I had lower expectations for Jet going into the season, right? Like than you did. I had very low expectations. Um, and so yeah, you’re right. That’s why I gave him a C minus, which ironically means he actually went under my expectations cuz I consider C being, you know, met my expectations. So, he did not meet my low expectations. Um, yeah. I I I just I I don’t I don’t see it, you know. Sue me. I don’t know. Like, I I just don’t see it, you know. I I want to see it. I think part of the pain of that and and this is I I always hate conversations like this what I’m about to say. I actually hate saying it cuz I don’t think it’s always fair, but it adds to the frustration when you think about the other guys that were available when Jet Howard was picked and the reasons why Jet Howard was picked, the the the skill set that was sold uh to the Magic and to Magic fans, and then you see other guys that were drafted after him with the same skill set, but doing it way better. you know, that part I think adds to the frustration. Um, which is not Jet’s fault. You know, it also goes to the front office. And so, um, yeah, I mean, he he didn’t meet my expectations. I I thought he had tons of opportunities this year. I’ve seen so many people on social media or in our YouTube comments saying he needs more opportunity. Needs more opportunity. Got tons of opportunity. You know, you can’t just hand a guy 30 minutes a game in important games and say, “There’s your opportunity.” No, you got to earn it just like everybody else. and he got off double digit minutes per game in 60 games. I know a lot of it, not a lot, but a good chunk of that was garbage time again, just like last season, but that’s that’s not nothing. 11 minutes a game is not nothing. Had lots of opportunities and to me missed the mark on just about everything. Like again, he did show some signs of playmaking that I hadn’t seen before. I’ll give him credit for that. The shooting wasn’t there. The defense certainly wasn’t there. the finishing at the rim or basically anything other than taking threes wasn’t there either. And so, yeah, for me didn’t meet the mark. And so, yeah, for me it was a C C minus based on my expectations for the year. Yeah, I don’t think the draft conversation really belongs in the conversation that we’re having around the expectations for No, I’m not saying that to knock you, but I I do think it’s interesting to go back and revisit that. So, the Magic Take Jed Howard obviously at 11. At 12, the Thunder take Derrick Lively. He’s traded to the Mavs. 13 was Grady Dick. 14 was Jordan Hawkins. Then like I I I do think the jury is kind of still out on Keonte George, but obviously that’s an interesting name there. Haimey Hz to the Heat at 18. Brandon Pompeki to the Warriors at 19. Jury very still out on Cam Whitmore at 20. He slid for a reason obviously. Um Dariq Whitehead 22. Um then we have I mean Nick Smith Jr. Bryce Sensabad those guys 27 28 but Julian Strawther who’s playing in the Eastern Conference Finals right now and is like a main contributor to that team. You know him at 29. And then when you get like later into the second round you have guys like Tummani Kamara like everybody misses on those kind of guys like the second round guys that pop. But just when you look at the fact that it was such a reach and the interesting for me is it was such a reach but the magic have never really if you’re reaching on a guy like that you have to be committed to giving him an opportunity like everything else kind of be darned like the state of the team all that kind of stuff. Like if you’re making a swing at 11, you kind of still have to be underneath the the operation of, hey, we’re just going to give this kid minutes and whatever happens happens like for better or worse. And the Magic admittedly pivoted away from that immediately after that. Like went into last season saying like rookies aren’t just going to get minutes anymore because they’re rookies. Well, Jed Howard is kind of the rookie that you have to be able to do that to because at this point I do think the confidence is probably, you know, pretty shaky. I would be amazed if it wasn’t. And yeah, it is the like the Mo Bomba in 2018 that was like an organizational failure in that being such a a miss of a pick and Jet Howard at 11 seems like a a big failure, you know, for this front office. It was a big swing and it looks like a massive miss. Yeah. That’s how it feels. But he’s going to have maybe another opportunity to prove that wrong. But also, you talk about trades, Jet Howard’s probably one of the guys at the top of the list that other teams might be interested in just because still unproven. Yeah, I don’t still young, cheap. Um, but yeah, we’ll see. We’ll see what happens with that. All right. Uh, well, that concludes our forward grades. So, next episode is going to be the big grades. But now, uh, for really the moment that a lot of you have been waiting for, we are going to name the winner of this Jaylen Suggs autograph rookie card. And the winner is, drum roll please. It is Christopher Jansen. So, big shout out to Christopher Jansen. Thank you so much for uh the rating there. Um, and this card is going to be going out to you. So, we will get in touch with you, get your shipping address, and go ahead and and get that shipped out there. So, you are the winner of that. Uh, again, yeah, next episode is going to be our big grades. After that will be the guards. After that will be essentially Jamal Mosley and Jeff Welman, kind of like the team personnel part of that. And then after that, like we’re really into draft season, Kev. So, um, if you are looking for offseason Orlando Magic content, we are going to continue to bring that. So, be stay uh stay tuned into our show every Thursday, every Monday. Continue to have episodes there. And, uh, I believe that’s it. Kev, do you have anything else before we sign off here? I don’t think so. All right, we’re going to wrap this one up then for Kevin Tucker. This has been Jonathan Osborne. You all have been listening to the Sixman Show and we will catch you guys next time. See you. Thanks for listening to the Sixth Man Show. Be sure to subscribe on iTunes and Spotify to get new episodes downloaded directly to your phone. If you enjoyed the show, please take a minute to give us a fivestar rating and a review. It helps out the show a lot. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook @6manshow. We’ll catch you guys next time. Go Magic. [Applause] Let’s go magic.

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