The Insiders 5/22: Do the Sacramento Kings need another shooting guard?

The Insiders 5/22: Do the Sacramento Kings need another shooting guard?

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When it’s on, she’s doing something else. Do you know what it takes for her to be locked into a game where she’s like rewinding and going over foul strategy with me and trying like why’ they foul him? Why did they do that? Uh what happens now? Why was this why? Oh, unbelievable. I told you. I told you not to let me forget that. Son of a gun. Son of a gun. All right. Uh now, good morning to everybody on the radio. We We did it. I told you not to let me forget to make the board live. I was distracted when Joe text right at the like, “Don’t blame Joe.” And then you responded to Joe and this is not Joe’s fault. What is happening? We’re still not We’re still not live. That’s fine. This is Oh, boy. Oh, there we go. Okay. Hey, we’re hot. Here we go. All right. Hey, we’re gonna try this again. Uh, welcome in to the 13 ESPN 1320 where the insider sponsored by Jiffy Lube James Han there. I’m Kyle Madson. Charlie, hello. Hi. Uh, Charlie was coming in here to chastise us for not having the the board live. Literally my one job when I run the board here cuz cuz Joe is is from the home studio and he’s good at his job. When when I run the board, I have one job. It’s make sure the board is on. Yeah, but you have more than one job and that’s where it gets crazy. Understood. I have other responsibilities, but overall as the person responsible for the board, uh just to peel the curtain back, there’s a big uh there’s a probably what do you think 3 and 1/2t? Yeah. By 2 and 1/2t, three foot three and half foot by by three. And it’s got all these buttons and all these sliders and stuff. Well, one of the things you have to do is you have to make sure that that board is on and feeding the radio station. Yeah. So, they don’t give me the nuclear codes. I don’t get to touch buttons. Correct. So, which maybe you should because I can’t figure it out apparently. I’ll just stand over there and like, is it time? Is it time? Boom. We’re on. It’s one. That’s the thing. It’s one button. To make the board go live, I have to push one thing. I have to push one button. I don’t have to hold it down. Oh, no. There we go. Okay. I don’t have to hold it down. I don’t have to to enter a passcode. I don’t have to turn anything on. I just got to hit one button. Two keys at one time. None of that. across the room. None of that. No Dylan G and severance. No spoiler alert. You got it, dude. Just brutal. And as I was leaving to pick up rundowns, I told you and Jonathan, our engineer, don’t let me forget. I said, “Yo, guys, don’t let me forget to take the board live.” Uh, and then I got back in here and we started yapping and I went, “Okay.” Because we’re testing out some new stuff. We got I’m I’m trying to make sure that our that our buttons aren’t too loud. In my defense too, I I will tell you earlier in the week I looked up at the board just to to look at the clock and you you accused me of checking to see if I did. I did. I thought you were like, “Are we on air? We on air.” [Laughter] Good lord. Board op can’t make the board live. Uh what a radio station. That’s why we’re on YouTube and Twitch. Hello everybody. Hello everybody. Appreciate you. We’re going to go through uh shooting guards for the Kings. We’re going to finish our point guards discussion from yesterday and we’re going to dive into some some shooting guard offseason stuff. But anyways, back to last night’s Pacers next game, which was an absolute all-time. You’re going to see highlights from it forever and ever and ever. Aaron Nith etched his name into the annals of NBA history. So, my wife is not a big sports fan. And last night, she’s like going over why did they foul? Why did he do that? Um, why didn’t Hallebertton look down to make sure his feet weren’t on the line? Like all this stuff. Just asking all these questions that again, somebody who doesn’t watch basketball, it’s kind of obvious question. Why doesn’t he just check? Yeah. Well, you know, he explained he’s got to move and he’s court awareness and he just was a little bit further uh uh little closer to the basket when he started his move than he thought and all that stuff. Um, but yeah, we got locked in for overtime. It was great. It it was a it was one of those NBA moments that just kind of transcends uh basketball fandom. No, I totally agree. It’s impossible to watch that last night if you’re paying a modicum of attention because she was like, “Wait, weren’t wasn’t the Knicks weren’t the Knicks ahead by a bunch? Weren’t they up by 20?” Yeah. Like 16, but yeah, like they were up by a lot. Like this is crazy. So, I just amazing amazing sports moment last night and it’s the second one we’ve gotten like that in these playoffs. Been a ton of cool moments, but a lot of them are like basketball. The Aaron Gordon uh catch and dunk at the buzzer was another one that just like captivated any audience watching. Oh, yeah. Cuz it’s easy. Like, oh my god. And that was last night, man. What a freaking game at Madison Square Garden. Of course it happens at Madison Square Garden. Why wouldn’t it? Yeah. I mean, it was absolutely spectacular. I actually I had gone to trivia night, but we’re not allowed to have phones out for trivia night, but we had the game on. Mhm. You know, just quietly having the game right next to us. Uh like me and my buddy and his son were sitting at the end of the table. We’re were playing trivia on the other side. Yeah. And uh when Hallebertton shot hit the back of the room and shot up in the air and then fell back through like we erupted and everybody in the entire room like filled with people probably 80 people in a room just like everybody stares at us. We’re like sorry we’re watching the basketball game and crazy shot just happened. Our bad you guys would have done the same thing. If you saw it you would be screaming too. Yeah, man. that his his shot goes up. And here’s where Tyres Hallebertton is as a player when he brought the ball up the floor after OG hit the second free throw. He brings the ball up the floor and I was like, “Okay, he’s going to shoot this. He’s getting a shot off.” Uhhuh. And then you saw him get to that spot in the paint and you saw the Red Sea part behind him and you’re like, “He’s getting to his step back.” Like, you know, this is what he’s doing. We just saw him do it against Cleveland. Here’s what he’s gonna try and do. And sure enough, he tries it. And I was so confident it was going to go in and then it clangs off the back iron and goes straight up in the air. And I’m like, damn. Cuz that ball hung in the air for four minutes. Oh yeah. It was like It was in the air for It was a slow motion moment. It was like a teenage basketball movie moment where the ball is sitting on the rim and you don’t know if it’s gonna go in or not. And then unbelievable just pandemonium, right? And then you get the the choke sign just iconic. Now we’ll talk about it a little bit later because it wound up only being a two and not a three. Didn’t end up coming back to burn him because they they won an OT. There is no lamer person than Nick’s fan who was courtside while the Pacers are celebrating holding up two fingers at the Pacers going, “It was only a two.” Like, “All right, man. You smoked a 14-point lead in three minutes. Let’s focus on the bigger picture here.” Yeah. Like, actually, you only tied the game. Like, get out of here. Yeah. Do that. Hey, like look, I I uh was on yesterday with DLO and Casey. Uh you and I had the discussion as well and we kept talking about like, hey, who do you think is going to win what series? What, you know, I’ve given my percentages of who I think could win the championship. And then they’re like, hey, who’s going to win the game tonight or or who’s going to win the series? And I’m like, this coin flip series big time. They’re like, well, no, you can’t just cop out and say I said, no, like I’m going to enjoy the basketball. Yeah, it’s a coin flip. It’s two completely contrasting styles of play and I I think that Indiana’s got a shot because they’re going to keep flying up and down the court and and you’re going to have to stop them. Yes. And and I don’t think there’s a real way to stop them in the way that we saw OKC shut down Denver or OKC shut down Minnesota. I agree. I don’t think that that that is possible with you can’t disrupt the flow of their offense that much. And I I just don’t think that the Knicks the Knicks felt like they were like, “Oh, let’s do this. Let’s let’s get into a shootout.” It’s like, “Dude, you do not get into a shootout with the Indiana Pacers.” At least not in seven games. Yeah. This is a Knicks team that went that goes seven or eight players deep. That’s that’s what they pause. That’s what they want to do with their rotation. It’s going to be a pretty short rotation. Tibs is notorious for that, right? Yeah. It’s all they have. I mean, in all honesty, so I don’t I Here’s here’s the thing with it is in a one game sample, like it should have worked. They were up by what was it 14? Yep. With 2 minutes and 50 seconds left. Mhm. Like that’s a win teams going into last night in that scenario in the playoffs in the play-by-play era. So since 1987 or 88 88 I think it is. Okay. uh are now 1 in 970 when trailing by 14 plus with 250 left. I’m sorry. That’s in the last 27 years. My math is bad. In the last 27 years, okay, teams are now 1 and 97. They were 0 and970 in that situation. That’s a win for the Knicks. Like the Knicks wanted to run with the Pacers. They did it and they got it. They just couldn’t hold it. And that’s why I picked the Pacers in six is because I think last night is a microcosm of how this series is going to go where the Knicks at the end just kind of ran out of gas. Their closeouts on Aaron Nmith weren’t good enough. They weren’t executing properly on offense. Oh, missed a free throw here. Oh, missed a free throw there. Oh, missed another free throw. You just couldn’t quite execute the right way. And meanwhile, Indiana’s like, “Yep, here we go.” Bang, bang, bang. Indiana in the last three minutes of that game scored 20 points. The Knicks scored nine. Yeah. Aaron Nith was just unbelievable. Ridiculous. Unbelievable, man. Eight of nine from three for the game. He was five of five from three in the final 3 minutes and 14 seconds. Crazy. There are players who will go their entire careers without going five for five from three in a stretch. and he did it in 3 minutes and 14 seconds of a playoff game on the road. Yeah. And I love the Aaron Nesmith story. This is a a guy that, you know, during that that year’s draft just really really looked at his his scoring ability a lot. Like when he was at Vanderbilt, he was just a a bonafide 20 24 25 point per game scorer. Like legit scoring option. he gets to the to the NBA and really struggles to find any time at all with Boston. And you know, we’re talking about a guy who went like I think 14th or 15th in the draft. And you know, he he’s sitting here trying to develop, but in the meantime, he kind of took a path that that Doug Christie took. Like while you’re sitting there and you’re not getting to play and and you think that your your playing time is going to be predicated on whether or not your three-point shot goes in, that’s really not what it is. it. You need to go play defense. You need to provide some other reason why you can be on the court when your shot isn’t falling. And I think he learned how to be an excellent defender at the NBA level, which is so rare, but it’s it’s very similar to what Doug did. Doug got traded a bunch. He gets to the Knicks. He sits on the the Knicks bench with Herb Williams. And uh Herb Williams like, “Lo, bro, you want to play? Like, let me let me show you the way. Let me tell you how I’m still sitting on an NBA bench at like 30 something years old when I ain’t got no game left and it’s because I play defense and I bring something and that sort of perspective and to watch uh N Smith find that part of himself and become this excellent defender and then the natural who he is as a player starts to come back out and you’re like, “Oh man, now you’ve got an excellent excellent young 2-way player. Yeah. And and they got him for nothing. Yeah. Like I mean, and they’ve got him locked up for another three years at 11 million a year. This is a guy that like man the Kings would be over the moon to have Aaron Nesmith as their starting small forward. They would be a dramatically dramatically different team if they did. And that’s why you collect guys that are 66 to 68, 69 and that can, you know, get big, can be physical and hit a three-point shot because one of them might pan out, two of them might pan out. You just have to keep collecting them. One of the things that jumped out to me last night in that in that stretch where Nith hits the first one. Oh, then hits the second one. There’s no way he’s hitting a third. Oh, he hit a third one. We always talk about with the Kings, right? And maybe this is a a a a place where I’m off base. We I always talk about the pecking order and the offensive hierarchy because I think in general you need that. You need to know, okay, this guy is the one, this guy’s two, this guy. Like that’s that’s what everybody kind of needs. The Pacers, Hallebertton’s the clear one, right? Yeah. But after that, there was no, oh, Aaron Nesmith got us back in the game. It’s Tyresese Hallebertton time or it’s Andrew Nem hard time or it’s Pascal Seakum time. It was, “All right, he’s cooking. Let’s keep feeding him the ball, and he’s gonna hit big shots.” Andrew Nehart has hit big shots for them in the playoffs over the last couple of years. Tyrese Hallebertton’s hit a bunch of big shots for them in the playoffs over the last couple of years. It’s just all Democratic. It’s all, hey, you’re hot right now. We’re going to feed you. This isn’t, oh, 2 minutes left, crunch time. Give it to the number one option so he can break down the defense and get a shot up. Like, no, man. We’re going to move the ball. We’re going to get the right shot. And every single player on the court wants that shot. No one’s gonna shy away from it. I love it. It’s I’m such a fan. It’s It’s really It’s what we uh It’s the word I keep using throughout this playoffs. It’s the organic growth. Sure. And this is the most the most organic offense that’s left. Yeah. Every everything else it does feel forced. I mean, how many times do I have to watch Jaylen Brunson like bury his chest into his shoulder into somebody’s chest and then elbow them and then hook them and then sit there and call for the foul the whole time? shake his head back. It’s like, it’s brutal, dude. Just pass the ball. So brutal. Just move the ball. Come on. So brutal. So I I I love watching this style of basketball. And that’s, you know, the freedom of play, the freedom of movement, a flow offense. I really hope that that’s what the Kings get back to. Yeah, me too, man. It is super fun to watch. Now, I will say just real quick, I I will say Aaron Nmith misses one of those threes, different game. Yep. Uh if the foul call on was it Seakkum against OG where he got the ball first and then got his arm. If they call that a foul with the off arm because he did have the the his other arm on him. If they call that a foul, different game. If they call that goalend with with a few minutes left, different game. So it’s not that the series is over. Mhm. Last night was just a remarkable sequence of events that uh that culminated in an all-time great NBA game. We’ll keep talking about it uh because it’s impossible to to get away from from a game one like that. You have a take about this series though that’s a little bit off the beaten path and I really can’t wait to get into it next. So, we’ll keep talking about this and then we’ll dive into the Kings. We got to finish our point guards discussion from yesterday and then we’re going to get into to the shooting guard position and how the Kings can operate there this offseason. Plus, Brock Pretty contract contract details are out and lo and behold, we waited for the structure to discuss it and uh turns out it’s a little more team friendly than it initial than it initially looked. That’s James Ham. I’m Kyle Madson. Joe Brazil on the ones and twos from the home studio. We’re the insiders brought by Jeffy Lube. Back in a second here on ESPN 1320 at Sacramento Sports Clear. [Music] What’s going on everybody? Hi Spencer. Uh, Saxtown burner like can they use trade exceptions on offer sheets? No. No. Um, you can’t sign a free agent with a with a trade exception. That has to be used in a trade. And again, it’s complicated. You can’t aggregate a trade exception with a player, but you can use a trade exception and a player in the same trade. So, you can So, you can So, if there’s a team, let’s just let’s just uh I’m going to use round numbers here for the sake of it. Let’s say Brooklyn can absorb $40 million. The Kings could send uh D Rozan and a $16 million trade exception to Brooklyn. And no, had that wrong. I I’ll show I’ll I’ll draw it out. I had an example in my brain and then it left me. I’m just gonna throw in let’s just say New Orleans because that way at least like I can Okay. So, what you can do if you’re the Kings, you can you can send D Rozan to Brooklyn. You can send a $16 million trade exception. uh TE uh to New Orleans and New Orleans can send a $16 million player and then Brooklyn can send back 40 million. Now, this doesn’t really work out. Well, I’ll just draw it out for you. So, the Kings, let me see, right here, they can send D Rozan to Brooklyn. They can send their TPE to New Orleans. New Orleans can send a $16 million player to Brooklyn, and a $40 million player can come back to Sacramento. That’s how you can aggregate a a trade exception. And it should be a TPE, a traded player exception. Uh that’s how you can use an exception. and a player to create a trade clearing out the 40 million but sending the trade except by sending the trade exception into market. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But a player has to go instead and and a TPE you can send a $16 million trade exception. It doesn’t have to be a $16 million player going back it because of the way that because you have to be within 20% of the trade value, right? So you got to be up to 32 million. So if they’re sending Demar, they could send like a seven or eight million player. The team, the third team can send a seven or eight million dollar player to the team that’s taking on the uh the the two players. Got it, man. It’s a lot. All right, here we go. Now, back to The Insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson, brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. Yeah, I’m Kyle. He’s James. Joe Brazil at the home studio. He produces this program. Make sure to subscribe to ESPN11320 on YouTube. That’s youtube.com ESPN1320. Just go there, subscribe, hit the little notification bell when we go live about 9:57 a.m. every morning. You’ll get a notification and then you open up the video and hang out with us all day and one one long live stream. Us and then DLO and Casey taking taking you from noon to 4. That’s right. You think the Pacers need to change course on Tyrese Hallebertton’s dad. I do. Um I I watched Please explain. I watched uh following the game Charles Barkley went off on this. He actually like looked into the screen and called for Adam Silver to lift the ban on John Hallebertton um and said like look like let the guy back in the building like we we don’t need to forever punish somebody for a mistake. Um you know again punches weren’t thrown like all that stuff. There was no violence. Yeah. Uh and and you know his point is like look he will never do something so stupid ever again. Sure. And like if he did then you ban him permanently and you don’t ever let him back in an NBA arena. That’s fine. We all understand. I agree with it. Like look uh I I think John Hallebertton like I I’ve met him multiple times and that’s I don’t think that’s who he is. That’s not who he is. That you know there are players parents that that is who they are. They are like the overbearing um you know like baseball dad or basketball you know the the dude who’s yelling and screaming at everybody the entire game and you know like there and who you know is pushing for his kids playing time and all that. Yeah, there are those people. I think he just got caught up in a moment and was offensive and I think you’re like, “Okay, like he didn’t do anything that was so reprehensible that you can’t come back from and at this point like look, his kid is out there like owning the NBA.” Like this is such a moment for Tyrese Hallebertton and for the Hallebertton family. Yeah. that I just hate for one mistake that that again was rude and like Yeah, man. over the top, but it was Yeah, it sucked. Yeah, it it was it was a lame ass thing to do. Oh, no. I totally agree. Tyrese handled it properly. I thought John Hallebertton handled it properly. He got banned for an entire series, the the entire second round series against the Cavs. So, he missed what was that two games? Well, he said they banned him indefinitely, right? which is which is smart because now you haven’t put a number of games on it. If he was out there being a jerk about it, then you could go, “All right, indefinite suspension continues.” But now you can lift it. You don’t even have to make it public. You can be like, “Hey, just Adam Silver, call up John Hallebertton or or whoever from the league office calls up John Hallebertton and goes, “Hey, uh, you’re good. We want to hear we don’t want to hear word one of your presence at the game. And if he gets shown on TV, that’s one thing. But we don’t want if if it becomes a problem again, you’re done forever. The Pacers can put him in a suite. Let him sit in the owner’s box. Yeah. Or wherever. I don’t know. I don’t know if there’s an owner’s box in in the NBA the way there is in the NFL, but let just if that’s if that’s the concern, you can just make sure he’s not courtside. Yeah. Just put him uh in the family section, you know, eight rows deep. That’s it. Yeah. And you know, again, like don’t let him walk onto the court. Don’t give him a a credential to walk on the court because basically it was a family credential that they had given him, but that was like you can take that away, too. Although you can make it so he can still access a family room and stuff like that back behind the scenes, but he can’t be anywhere near the court. Yeah, man. It’s just Yeah, let the guy back in. Did you see the videos of him partying last night, though? No, he it looked like I I I didn’t see exactly. It looked like he was at a watch party, maybe at a bar. Yeah. and just having a grand old time. That’s awesome. Yeah, salute, man. I I really I I hope the NBA does the right thing. He’s a good dude and I just hate for him to be uh like didn’t we have like uh team Morant like get in a fight with Shannon Sharp on the sideline and he still gets to be there. Yeah, you still get to be there. Like there there are weird things that happen and like sometimes you have to give some allowance especially for like a really really proud dad who’s just like living in the moment. That’s it. Yeah. So I’m pulling for John Hallebertton to be back in the building. Me too. Yep. I’m also I I’ve decided I I wasn’t I liked Tyresese Hallebertton fine going into the playoffs. Like I didn’t I was I was like pretty I I I I don’t want to say on the fence about him, but like no, he’s a good player. He’s a star player. He’s not as he hasn’t ascended to superstar yet. Yeah, I see him do it in the playoffs where he’s not running from the ball like he did last playoffs at times. Uh which I which I don’t think is unreasonable, but man, really really awesome player. And the way he handled the thing with his dad, the way he handled last night doing the choke sign too early. Oh yeah. And then after the game being like, “Yeah, I blew it.” Like I I I I didn’t plan to do it. I just I I was going to do it uh when when you know I I thought the opportunity struck and I and I did it and I did it too early. So now I probably can’t do it again because people are going to say I’m aura farming, which is apparently a thing. So I I just I love the self-awareness. I love the fact that he is willing to talk trash and mix it up in that in that pro wrestler type of way. Well, he’s a huge WWE fan, right? And you can tell the way he carries huge way. Yeah. He’s doing a show. He’s he’s performing. Yep. And the best part is for me, he can take it. when he messes up or he does something wrong, he’s the first one to be like, “Yep, damn, they got me.” And that’s that that is what I can appreciate. It’s the people who talk all that trash and then they lose and they keep trying to talk trash as though they didn’t just lose. Mhm. I think it’s so fun what Tyres Hallebertton does, the way he plays, the way he carries himself, it’s just fun. He’s an easy ass dude to root for. And I know that it’s here in Sacramento, I know there’s always going to be a little bit of a for some people, not for everybody, a hesitation because of course he was drafted by the Kings and played for the Kings. So, there’s always going to be a hesitation from some people to to just fully back Tyrese Hallebertton, but for me, man, I I just find it impossible to not root for the guy. Yeah, I’ll I’ll be honest. years ago. Um, you know, we had the lockout right in 1998. Um, the Kings, like during that off season, they they had uh drafted Jason Williams, right? And no one really knew Jason Williams all that much. Mhm. And, you know, he played at Marshall and he had played at Florida, but he had got kicked off the team in Florida. uh he hadn’t really been part of the process the draft process. The draft process even at that time was very basic and the Kings held a fanfest and um right before the season you know they had like an emergency start to the season uh a reboot. I think there’s only 56 games in that season. And the second that Jason Williams stepped on the court, he started dealing. And I’m talking like things you had never ever seen a basketball player do before. Even at that point, you know, like the mix like the mix tape, the NBA mixtape stuff like or the or the street baller stuff. Yeah. It was sort of big, but you literally a lot of the time you had to have like a VCR to watch any of that stuff. Yeah. watching him step on the court and you instantly have said, “Oh my gosh, that’s magical.” I like I I’m watching that that dude right there can play basketball. I want to watch so much more of him and I swear like I’ve watched so many young players come through Sacramento and you know they can be top tier prospects. They can be whatever. You watch them step on the court and like, “Oh, he’s going to be good. All right, good. You had a moment.” That’s the second Tyrese Hallebertton walked on the court and started moving around and started doing you’re like, “Oh my gosh, he’s got it.” just gets it. He He does. He He understands the game at a higher level than anyone else on the court. Yep. And he’s moving at a different pace. He’s moving He knows exactly where he wants to go. He’s using players on the court as as bumpers so he can get to where he needs to go and he’s looking at guys and giving them like, “Hey, I need you like manipulating defenses.” Yeah. Exactly. He has a an innate gift of of like controlling everything on the court. Yep. And we talk about guys like Steve Nash. We, you know, like we talk about guys like Chris Paul. Like these guys don’t come around very often. And when you get to watch somebody who just gets the game of basketball such a high level, it’s amazing. Now again, I didn’t disagree. Like was a trade stunning when they traded him for Domos? Yeah, it was stunning, but I didn’t disagree with it because you’re trading a guy who’s averaging 14 points a game and who has a really bright future, but is having some conflict on the court. Mhm. Just play style conflict with with another one of your young stars and you were able to trade that for an all-star center. Yeah. And and I don’t think that there was anything wrong with that trade. And I’ll still say like did you give up potential for something great? You did, but you also got back something that was excellent as well. And has it worked out the way that you know? No, it hasn’t. But that a lot of it is circumstantial. Like do the Kings look different with you know if they if they kept building do they look different if Dear and Fox didn’t just get upended and and leave and Sure. Yeah. There there are so many ways in which this could have been way better than it is today and that the the trade still would have looked out looked like an even Steven trade. Yeah. It doesn’t anymore. It doesn’t look like it anymore. But the here’s here’s our we can nuance it to death. Yeah. And and I think if you want to do that, like there’s there’s definitely space for that. But I think in in historical terms, the way it’s going to get viewed, like you’re right in the in the moment made all the sense. Yeah. Like all right, this is the route they have to go. Uh Dear Fox is still unproven. He’s making a lot of money. That contract’s going to be hard to move at this point. Uh you can get a guy two years in. It still made a lot of sense. Yeah, man. it it just you’re going to get a guy who unlocks what you want to do offensively. Um, averages a double double, averages near a triple double for for a player who’s a good young player. Like, okay, that makes sense in the moment. It just hasn’t aged great. And whether, you know, we in Sacramento know like, man, yeah, cuz the Kings didn’t build correctly. The Kings didn’t do the right things after the trade, uh, where the Pacers hit all the right buttons. Mhm. hit every single correct button and the Kings hit like none. So, so I shouldn’t say none. They got Kik Murray, but they hit they didn’t hit a lot of the correct buttons, but I think in in the bigger picture, in the bigger discussion, I just don’t think there’s any way that that trade is ever going to be viewed historically as even the way it was after the 2022 2023 season. Oh, no. I I don’t It’s just never It’s never going to get there. And I think the other thing I’ll point out is that we you can see it now. It’s a lot easier to build around Tyresese Hallebertton than it is to build around uh than it is to build around Tomas Sabonis. And and I don’t think that’s it’s not even or the guys that were here were just really bad at building around Demon Sabonis and they didn’t understand that that was that was really what you should be doing. Mhm. Like you brought in a foundational piece and the idea should have been to continue to build around your two foundational pieces in the correct way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you stopped your build halfway through and so now you’ve got, you know, a house with a bunch of missing windows and like half the roofs on and you’re like, what exactly happened here? It’s brutal, man. Yeah, really tough. I want to save the Kings point guard discussion because we’ve only got a few minutes. So, we’ll we’ll get into that coming up here in the next in in the next segment in the next hour because we we got point guards to get to, we got shooting guards to get to. Brock Party’s contract details came out yesterday. Oh, yes. To shift gears briefly, it looks like the just I I don’t want to get into all the minutia of it. Basically, from what I’m understanding, the key turning point is after the 2027 season, cuz you can cut him after the 2027 season and basically eat 55 million in dead money. Okay? So, this is 2025, 2026, 2027. This is a three-year experiment. And after 2027, I think the 49ers will either part ways with Brock Purie, Kyle Shanahan, and John Lynch because everything has gone so sideways. They’ve missed the playoffs four years in a row. Uh Lynch and Shanahan swung and missed on the purie thing. They were It’s their third quarterback. Okay, it’s time to move on. The organization just needs to go a different direction. Or after 2027 because his 2020 2027 2028, his 2029 salary gets guaranteed on April 1, 2028. Okay. So, if they’re awesome and Brock Pury continues to play really well after 2027, I’m guessing there will be a new extension. Okay. So, I think you’re looking at a three-year contract basically. A three including including 2025. Okay. So, including this year. Yeah. Because this year his his cap number went up a little bit. Okay. Went from five fiveish million to 9ish million. Okay. So, it ticked up a little bit. It it works as a you can call it a six-year extension that tore up the last year of his rookie deal, even though that’s not really what happened. Okay. So that’s it. It’s it’s basically a three-year deal. The money in it is not prohibitive to, as you’ve seen, retaining Fred Warner, retaining Christian McCaffrey. They’ve got Brandon Aayuka under contract. They have Nick Bos under contract. They extended George KD. They extended Fred Warner also. They didn’t just retain him. They extended him as well. Like they they have this core for the next couple of years. And now they’re going to have to draft. Well, they’re going to have to find new players to be part of a new core. If if Brock Party is that guy, if he’s the guy they believe he is, then he’s going to be the quarterback here for the next 10 12 years. Um Fred Warner’s not going to be around another 10, 12 years. Nick is not. KD’s not. McCaffrey is certainly not. IU’s probably not. So, now you have to draft that next score. It’s all It’s always been about the draft. It’s always going to be about the draft in terms of how the 49ers are building. They have their big pieces locked up right now under under big money deals and when Perty’s contract gets really really expensive against the cap, some of those deals start to come off the books and ideally you’d have rookie contracts in there filling those gaps. So, pretty team friendly deal from from what I understand. Yeah, that sounds great. I mean, that’s uh it’s sort of a you know, earn it deal. Yeah, basically. Yeah, prove it. Yeah, he’s getting he’s getting paid well. Well, didn’t he get like 100 million up front, too? Yes. But again, from from what I understand, and again, I’m not an agent. Yeah. But from what I understand and reading from people who are smarter than me, the 100 million is the only like guarantee guarantee. Okay. Like the the I I forget the exact word for it, but that’s a guarantee. Then there’s like practical guarantees, then there’s injury guarantees, and he’s got like 185 guaranteed for injury, I think. Okay. So, the the 100 million is the only absolute guarantee. Okay. Like after taxes, he he just put like 60 million in his bank account. I’ll take it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I would not uh I wouldn’t hate that. Yeah. He just became like generationally wealthy. Did you see the photos with his parents and they got him like a cake from Costco? It says, “Congrats, Brock. like he graduated from high school. There’s pictures of him holding the holding the sheetcake. All right, man. Hell yeah. I know. He’s like, “Shout out. Never lose that. I want to buy a bass boat.” But my wife isn’t really happy about that. And it’s like, bro, you just go buy the bass boat. Yeah. Drop in the bucket. I just go, “Hey, buy another house to store it at by a lake somewhere. She’ll be fine. Just like get her to the lake. That’s fine.” Bass boats are one of the things that you know in there’s that Arrested Development quote where I think it’s Lucille says, “Uh, it’s a banana, Michael. What could it cost? $10?” Cuz she’s so rich. She’s just out of touch with what things cost. Yeah, that’s me the other way with bass boats. Bassboats feel like such a rich person thing that I don’t know if a bass boat costs $10,000 or $100,000. I have no idea how much a boat costs. There are varying degrees of bass boats. You can get in the door for 12 to 15. Great. But you could also spend a h 100,000 150,000. I’m guessing Brock Pury would get one of those. Okay. But still still a drop in the bucket. Nothing. Yeah, man. Yeah, that’s awesome. Brock, if you want to pay off my house instead, let me know. 91699320. Give us a call. There you go. I know he listens. All right. Uh we’ll get we’ll get into the Kings offseason discussion next for real. Uh we got to go over point guard trades and then we’re going to get into shooting guards which the Kings may or may not need. Yep. We’ll talk about all that. That’s James Ham. I’m comat and Joe Brazil at the home studio. We’re the insiders sponsored by Jiffy Lubon ESPN 1320 and Sacramento Sports. Clear. Um scooter. Yeah, the the golden muscle thing is wild. I don’t take my boat, my big boat. Actually, we didn’t take anything. Can you briefly explain golden muscles? Okay, so there’s a new invasive muscle species that Oh, M USS. Got it. Okay. Yeah. That can attach itself. It’s not just attach itself to like the side of your boat, but it can get in like your intake and stuff. And then if you go from one lake to another lake, you can drop that invasive species into the new lake. It’s like co shells. Yeah. And and basically it can kill a lake in in a couple of years, man. And just make it completely like it will take over completely the whole lake and just and kill everything. That’s crazy. And so now what they do is um there are two there are two stations uh one at Lake Beressa and one in Lake Tahoe. Tahoe has had this uh this thing for a couple of years. Well, for more than that, for at least a decade where if you’re going to put a boat in Lake Tahoe, you have to drop by it’s a cleaning station where they use a pressure washer with 165°ree water and they wash your entire boat. Like all your cup holders, like every single inch underneath your boat. Then they hook up the water to your your motor. They flush your engine. Are they I’m sorry. You say they washed a couple. Are these golden muscles like microscopic? Well, I think or are they like Cuz when I think muscles, I think of like what you order at a restaurant. Yeah, actually I I took a picture um because you know there is a lot of confusion about this. Stephen Cassinier asks, are they edible? Um no, I I don’t think they’re edible because I love muscles. This is uh from this is somebody’s hand. So that’s what they look like right now. I don’t know where to look. Let me Oh, they’re tiny. Yeah. Well, but then they can get bigger and then they, you know, again, they’ll make a beach like you can’t walk out on the beach without cutting your feet. They’ll just take over. So, so it’s a big thing right now. And NID uh the Nevada irrigation system, they shut down all lakes in uh in like Northern California. They said, “Well, you you have to quarantine for like our lake is 30 days for a pontoon boat or 60 days for a for a speedboat or bass boat.” Wow. So, you can’t take you can’t lake hop. Sure. That makes sense. So, if you pull your lake off the your boat off a lake and you go through a checkpoint to leave the lake, they’ll put a a plastic tag or a metal tag that hooks you have a hook underneath your boat that you hook to to reel in your trailer. Mhm. They’ll hook that and if you snap that, your boat’s quarantined. If that if that little tag is broken when you go to go back it, you can’t you can’t use it damn anywhere else. So, and then you got to go pay to have it washed again. And the lines for that are like, man, you got to get up at like 3:00 in the morning on a Saturday, drive to Tahoe, and sit there in line for 6 hours or eight hours to get your boat wash. Oh my god. Yeah, it’s been a thing. Like on my lake, it’s been a thing forever, but we don’t take our boats off the lake. So, yeah, Folsam is a mess. So, people are are gonna um be angry all summer long. You’re going to hear about this non-stop. It’s been heading this way for like 10, 15 years at least. Oh, that’s a bummer. Scooter, people are cutting tags just to be jerks. That sucks. And just Why do people suck, bro? Leave people’s stuff alone. I agree. And boats boats are expensive. I I removed the whole front end off my uh pontoon boat this week to have it all reupholstered. I’ll just make this blanket. They’re not a sponsor. Do not buy a boat at Bass Pro. Do not buy a Sun Tracker. Their warranty is trash the day you buy it. So, I had my seats go bad, like start getting sunspots and then just completely all the seams popping and falling apart at like 3 years, and it has a 10-year warranty, and they wouldn’t warranty them at all. So, but I love my boat. I love having boats. Now, back to the Insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson, brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. So, I’m locked into the chatty house. Yeah, turn it. I got to a lot of interesting stuff happening in the chatty house today where I have to turn the comments off for a little bit. Not turn them off. That’s not what I’m doing. I’m closing them on my screen. Yeah. Yeah. YouTube.combn1320 if anybody wants to jump in there. No, we’re talking about like invasive muscle species. Yeah. The golden muscle is a is a big thing here in Northern California. Yeah. And boat costs and boat tags and quarantine. I was just learning a lot. Yeah. From from you in the in the chatty house there. So, I have to put it away. I can’t. Or else I’m going to sit here and we’re going to talk about boats for the next 10 minutes. Yeah. I don’t want to do that. Boats. They’re expensive. They are uh they’re money pits. Shout out to Pawn Stars. Yeah, Rick would never buy a boat. That’s fine. Boats are money pits. But if you live on a lake, you want to be on the lake. You don’t want to like again like going to the beach is fine and stuff, but being on the lake is just different, right? If you’re a pawn shop owner, don’t buy a boat. Oh, no. No. Learn everything I know about owning a pawn shop from that dude Rick on Pawn Stars. That’s right. Shout out. All right. We were talking yesterday. We were getting into this Kings offseason conversation and we started with point guards and we’re going to go shooting guards, then we’ll go wings, then we’ll go bigs. I was going to do small forwards and power forwards, but it feels like those two positions have a lot of switchability and there’s just different things you might need out of a power forward or out of a center versus out of a small forward. So, we’re just going to go positionless. Okay. And I also think call it wings and picks. I I I bring this up all the time, but I also think that the Kings have the luxury of having a player like Keegan Murray. They can play the three or the four. So if we sit here and say, “Hey, you got to go get a four or you got to go get a three.” Yeah. You you just need another Keegan Murray. Just go find another version of Keegan Murray. Yeah. All right. So, we’ll get into that. We’ll get into that over the next couple of days. We talked about point guards yesterday. We went through a bunch of the free agent options, some of the in-house options with Malik Monk and Deon Carter. What about trade options? So, I’m going to we we have written down here Trey Young and LaMelo Ball and John Morant. Yeah, we’ve talked about those guys a lot on on this station. So, I’m going to leave them out of the discussion for now, but they’re very much on the table at least for for me if we’re talking trades. Yeah. Like look, we’re just going to put them to the side. If Atlanta says, “Hey, we’re gonna we’re gonna move on Trey Young or or Lamelo Ball or or John Morant with Memphis.” Like, if if those teams say, “Hey, we’re gonna start taking bids.” Like, you can’t walk into next season with a, you know, the 25th best point guard in the NBA and think that you’re going to be highly successful. You’re going to you’re going to be a a 35 to 45 win team at best. Like, this is a guard driven league. I I I think you’re right. Let me ask you this. I was thinking about this on the way [Music] in. I know that that you’ve been you’ve been anti I deleted some of the free agent. Oh, no, I didn’t. A guy like Taius Jones and you’ve said, man, you you need to get a better point guard. which I don’t I don’t hate the the take and I don’t necessarily disagree with it, but if your offense is going to look more like it did in the 22 23 season where it was a lot of Demonoson Mhm. and it was a lot of feed demonosis in the high post and let him work and you’re going to have all these actions and you’re going to have dribble handoffs and and he’s going to be this distributor who’s averaging all of a sudden eight nine assists a game. I feel like in that in that sense having a point guard like I’m just gonna pick Taius Jones because to me Taius Jones is like good not great point guard fine point like he’s fine. Yeah. You you need a guy who can bring the ball across and initiate the offense and then at least be a threat as a shooter and as a cutter. Mhm. And I think I think you can get that out of Taius Jones or out of Dennis Shruder where all of a sudden you don’t have this like super inspiring point guard, but it’s just man, hey, that’s a guy who can do the stuff the Kings offense needs them to do. Okay, I get that. But here’s the problem. And this isn’t about Taius Jones because I actually I’ve always liked Tus Jones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They’re just avatars for veteran okay point guard. I get it. But I think here’s the problem. um like the Kings 48 46 40 wins, right? So they’re heading the wrong direction and the idea should not be at this moment to to plateau to stop the decline. [Music] The idea should be to do one of two things. Either jump back up and start being a competitor or give in and say, “Okay, we’re shot for two years. Let’s drop back down. let’s accumulate another two or three first round picks. So instead of nine first round picks over the next seven years, we’ve got 13 or 12 first round picks over the next, you know, seven years. So let’s reset because where the Kings are right now at 40 wins. It’s it’s the worst place to be in the in the NBA. Yep. Because you’re you’re not good enough. You’re mediocre and flatlining. Yeah. Well, that and you’re mediocre flatlining. And players have a shelf life. they get older and they lose, you know, so you’re slowly you’re depreciating. Yeah. Basically, and and that’s where you have to look at, you know, your players are in a sense they’re depreciating assets in that situation. And you’ve got to be super cautious. What you don’t want to be is that who the Kings were in the 90s where every single year they’re the seventh pick in the draft. Brutal. you know, because the seventh pick in the draft, whether it’s Lionel Simmons or Walt Williams or like or I think Brian Grant was number eight, uh Bobby Hurley was number seven, uh Jason Williams was number seven. Like, you can find a great player at that point, but it’s really difficult. Yeah. Yeah. You either need to be really bad and be in the top four or you need to be really good and not worry about draft picks. Yeah. Right. Like to get caught in the middle. And what my my fear is that signing a league average to below league average point guard just to get by is just going to perpetuate the cycle of being stuck at really bad in mid until your players are too old and then you’re going to have to reset. Okay, I I I get that. I think in my in my version of this or what I had in my head is you’re you’re talking about taking a big swing and I don’t think there’s a free agent point guard. No, that qualifies as a big swing. No, I’m just looking here real quick, making sure I’m not missing anybody. Not want to be flashy and go. So, we got Russell Westbrook. It’s like So, no, but but like a like a big like long-term Trey Young type of player who’s in his What’s Trey Young now? 27 26 27 who who matches your timeline with Damon Sabonis Kea Murray etc etc in my version of this the Kings are signing let’s just say the two Joneses Tus and Trey Jones they bring them both in like here’s here’s two point guards we we got them now it’s because they’re using the assets that they would use in a Trey Young trade or a John Marant trade or LaMelo trade to go take a big swing at the wing position or one of the wing spots. Yeah, I mean that’s what you have to do because that’s that’s in my mind how this is working. It’s not Tus Jones that’s the splash. It’s like no, Taius Jones is supplementing additional moves that we haven’t talked about yet. That that at least that’s where my head is it is is at I agree with you. If not, you’re doing death by midle. Yes, you’re doing death by mid-level exception. And if and if if there’s no trade out there where the Kings glut of first round picks and Demard Rosen’s contract or Zack Lavine’s contract or or whoever, if that’s not getting you anything on the wing market, then yeah, pivot and go get because you don’t want to go, “Oh, well, we explored wings, couldn’t find anybody. Anyways, here’s Trey and Taius Jones. They’re brothers. Oh, maybe we’ll go get Chris Murray next.” Haha. Like that would that that would suck. That you cannot live with. Yeah. I think what you’re trying to say is kind of what I was saying yesterday, like you need a a 35 to $45 million player. Mhm. And you need a 16 a 14 to$16 million player. And I don’t care which position they’re at. You need a point guard and you need a small forward or you need a forward. Yeah. And I think in all honesty, like the trade market is going to be more flush with high-end point guards and the free agent market or the like the secondary trade market where you’re trading a mid-level exception and a first round pick to go get a player or you’re trading the Kevin Herder uh contract like his uh his trade player exception and a first round pick to go get a player. Like I think it’s easier to get a $16 million or $15 million wing that’s that can, you know, fill a lot of what you need. Sure. Than it is like this team has got to find a point guard. And and so you’re right. It’s either or. Either you got to get the forward that you need and spend the 30 plus million or you’ve got to get a, you know, a really really good point guard. Yeah. I just think that NBA, the modern NBA, while it’s run by uh while every team has all these wings that you know that the Kings don’t have, it is run still by guards. It’s a guards league. And it’s why Tyrese Hallebertton and it’s why Jaylen Brunson and it’s why Shay Gilis Alexander and it’s why Anthony Edwards are the four best players left in the playoffs. Sure. It’s a guard league. Yeah. You have to be able to to handle the basketball for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. I don’t I don’t I don’t disagree with that. I I do think if you make a big splash for let’s just say Trey Young and you unload some first round picks and and contracts and wow look it’s Trey Young. That’s great. They’re that that can’t be all like it can’t be. Look at this big splash. Wow. Awesome. Front office. Great. No. There has to be there has to be supplemental moves. And so, uh, for for me, I don’t I don’t hate the idea of going going big and and trying to go after a wing. If just throwing an example out there, if Boston goes, “Yeah, hey, we’re pulling the plug on the Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum thing, and we’re going to trade Jaylen Brown now, great. Go try that. Way rather that than go try and get Trey Young.” Yeah. Or John Moran or whoever. But, um, we’ll talk more about forward options here in the next couple of days. Let’s talk shooting guards. Okay. Because that’s a fascinating position for the Kings. It is. It’s the most crazy position. They are in a very weird spot as shooting guard and I want to talk about it. He’s James. I’m Kyle. We’re the insider. Sponsored by Jiffy Loop. We’re back in a second here on ESPN 1320. Sacramento Sportser. Clear. Nice, dude. All right, chatty gang. We back. Well, they’re in a weird spot though because I think I don’t think tanking is super easy because they have too many players who are good. There’s none of the right good players. Oh, no. But I will I will tear anything, bro. What is this? Oh, yeah. We didn’t talk about this. Whoops. Uh, rust dog. I’m going to save that. Uh, I’m gonna save that. Uh, from where is the key? I’ve had it from Wingstop. It was good. It was strong. Especially if you’re looking for like a spicy kind of that like Asian flavor. Really good. Yeah, he was actually I think technically he’s probably at the mystics game, but Acer does have does have some wings. They sure do, bro. A good lemon pepper wing is Yeah. Which one then? Don’t they have several different kind of Asian fusion type of flavors? When they were the sponsor on a show I used to be on, I had tried all their flavors at one point. Hey, he’s on our list. Yeah, fire wings are strong. They have that at uh B-Dubz. I think they have the Asian zing. Hey, facts. Yep. Yep. Not talking about that with you guys. It’s ridiculous. Gavin from the wake up call 10 seconds might have been Scooter. All right, here we go. It’s the second hour. Everybody lock in. Hour number two. I’m Comm and that’s Shave Sam. Somehow we think we got on talking about chicken wings in the chatty house at youtube.combn1320. Oo. And the chatty house has turned it into a conversation of debauchery. Oh, okay. That makes sense cuz it’s a chatty house. Yes. I We’re talking wet versus dry rubs. I had a really really good Someone just said Caribbean jerk, which is crazy. Cajun dry rub uh wings last night. Yeah, they were uh absolutely spectacular. And uh you know, you got to do the whole I don’t break the wing. Yeah. Like and then like slide one one of the bone one of the two bones out and then you can Jesse, are you listening to this? Eat your wings like a lollipop. Am am I being flagged? My goodness, sir. Seriously, that’s James. I’m Kyle. Joe Brazil at the home studio. We’re sponsored by Jiffy Lube. This is the Insiders. We’re hanging out with you until noon. Then we’ll hand it off to DLo and Casey. Uh, and it would take you up to four o’clock here on ESPN. Yeah, here it is. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been flagged. Flagged multiple times. A personal [Laughter] foul. I didn’t even know Jesse was paying attention. Oh, that’s funny. That’s awesome. Jesse Topia, producer for DL Casey. And again, Done and Casey coming up coming up at noon right here on ESPN 1320. Uh, we did not I know we said we were going to talk about shooting guards, but we didn’t we didn’t finish talking about point guards yet. Yeah, because there were other point guards we were going to trade. So, uh, let’s remove the the big names we were talking about. Okay. Trey Young, Lamelo Ball, John Mar. I think this time last year I would have been in on the Jamal Murray idea. Okay. I don’t think Denver’s going to move him, but let’s just talk hypotheticals. Jamal Murray’s contract extension doesn’t kick in until next season. Oh, no. And he’s like 50 plus million every year for the next four years starting next season. And I I don’t want this this fits a little bit into the Brock Party conversation, okay? Because Jamal Murray to me, his value is maximized. I think he could be that level of player, that $50 million a year type of player alongside Nicola Joic and alongside Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown and whoever else they bring in this offseason. Mhm. I think Jamal Murray has a ton of value as a shot maker, especially in the postseason. As that pick and roll with with Nicolai Joic, just a a really effective player for Denver. Yes. I don’t think that you get Jamal Murray on the Kings. And maybe it works out with Deon Sabonis. Maybe he has the same kind of success with him that he has with Joic, but I think he would have to carry much more of the offensive onus than he does in Denver. And I don’t know that that’s maximizing Jamal Murray. Like it feels like he’s right at the top of his bell curve right now as a player where his usage rate and his production match. And I think I I believe that if you start adding more to Jamal Murray’s plate, you’re going to start seeing diminishing returns. Yeah, I agree. Um and the other problem, so I bring this up all the time, like how I I think, you know, I all of them like whether it’s it’s Trey Young, LaMelo Ball, or John Moran, like I I don’t think you can have them in the same starting back court as Zack Lavine, right? I’ve said that like a bunch of times. Jamal Murray I I can’t put in the same starting back court with uh with Zack Lavine, but for a completely different reason. I don’t want two guys and make a ton of money who both have had blown ACL’s. Mhm. I I don’t like that’s a lot of money to invest in in players with with major injury history. Yeah, for sure. And so like whether he you in my in my brain you’re swapping them. Yeah. But you would have to contracts work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we do also have uh just to sidetrack us for two seconds. We do have some breaking news. I just real quick before you’re breaking news, I want to make it really clear to anybody listening. We’re throwing out hypotheticals. We’re not like, hey, this is a thing that both teams would do. No, we’re just we’re just yapping. Go ahead. Yeah, I’m with you. Uh the NBA has released it all defensive first team and second team okay honors. Can I guess? Yeah. Let’s see. What’s your first team? Uh first team, Evan Mobley. Uh yep. If the DPO wasn’t first team, Draymond Green. Uh yes. Okay. Number two, we’ve got Dyson Daniels. Boom. Number three. Oo, it was Mobly, Draymond, Daniels. Did Alex Caruso make first team? He did not make first or second. Oh, wow. All right, Jiren Jackson. No, second team. I’m missing some obvious ones. Best defensive team in the league. Oklahoma City. Okay. Who’s going to make it from there? Oh, Lou Dort. Lou Dort. Okay. And Jaden McDaniels. No. Is it a big? Nope. It’s a It’s not a big. It’s an upand cominging out of King. Oh, Amen. A man Thompson, of course. Second team. Did a Sor make second team? Uh, he did not. Second team is uh IA Zubots. Oh, very good. Yeah. Jaylen Williams, Jiren Jackson, Rudy Gobear. Sure. And Tammani Kamara. Oo, good for Tammani Kamara. I got to give my buddy Jordan Ham, who has covered Arizona sports for Yeah. Uh, over a decade now. as long as I’ve known him, AZ Sports 360, I believe, is his uh is the is the website. When the Suns traded Kamar, he was like, “This is a bigger deal to me than DeAndre Aton leaving.” Like, Tammani Kamar can play. He was a big Toammani Kamar guy. So, I’ve kind of followed him vaguely. Yeah. Awesome player. He’s a guy that who they just found. They just got him in a trade. They went, “Hey, here’s this guy that’s just not playing that much. We’ll take him.” 25 years old. He’s uh 68 220. We list him at a power four, but he can play the like the two three four. Um he’s a guy in all honesty I would I would offer up a first round pick for um you know like he’s uh he said he’s probably part of whatever core Portland’s trying to build. Maybe. I would assume maybe. But at 25 maybe not you know because they do have a bunch of younger guys. At 25 he’s super old. Yeah. But like you have a team that’s building though. Yeah. Would you listen if the king said, “Hey, so Kamar, just so people know, he’s under contract uh this year at 2.2 million this coming year at 2.2 million.” And then as a team option at 2.4 million for the next year. Mhm. Like if you’re the Kings and you say, “Hey, we’ll give you a future first round pick.” Like I don’t care which future first round pick, but we’ll give you a future first round pick for Kamara. They’d be like, they’ve got to at least listen and go. I think they’d listen. Yeah. They’d be like, “Hey, we might cash in.” You got an alldefense guy who improved a ton this year. Yeah. Shot 37.5 from three, averaged 5.8 rebounds per game. Put him on the front line with Ke. See, this is that’d be awesome. This is what I’m talking about. Like, there are ways to build this thing out without like mortgaging your entire future. But and this is where this is where let’s just let’s let’s say the Kings call the Blazers and the Kings go, “Yeah, hey, we’ll give you this protected 2027 first.” Mhm. The Blazers go, “Uh, we need two unprotected. That’s the starting point.” And the Kings go, “Ah, too rich.” Okay. Toani Kamar off the table. Yep. What the what the Kings need to to to be doing here, and this is going to be tough. Not saying this is easy, but let’s say they make a different trade. Let’s say they they trade for Cam Johnson. Is there another player who’s just buried on on Brooklyn’s bench that you go a Walker, not a Walker, a Kesler Edwards tag? Yeah. Where you’re where you’re like, “Hey, throw him in the deal and let’s see if we can make something.” Because that’s what that’s what Portland did with Toani Kamara. Yep. They went, “Oh, hey, we kind of like his skill set. Let’s get him in the building and see what happens.” That if he can go get Tamani Kamar, awesome. But I think the the more realistic option is in a different trade trying to just, hey, let’s rope in this end of the bench 6’8 uh awesome defender in college who hasn’t been able to to find minutes in the NBA. Yeah. Let’s just get he’s 24. Bring him in there. That’s that’s I think one of the one of the things they’re going to have to do. And again, that’s tough because you’re it’s deep scouting. It’s it’s knowing who’s on other rosters. Uh it requires the other team to just be like, “Yeah, I have them.” That’s that’s where I think you’re going to find a Tammani Kamar type of type of dude. Yeah. I mean, I would still chase Tammani Kamar Chase. Chase anybody. Yeah. But yeah, I think that that’s one of those guys. So, we got sidetracked to on our on our point guard conversation, but it’s because, you know, we we had a little bit of breaking news. Oh, NBA team’s coming out tomorrow. Yeah, I know. It’s going to be interesting. Do we think Domas makes it? I’m going to say no, but I don’t think he does. Especially with King’s winning games is tough. Yeah, Zubots being on here. I think it’s going to be tough based on listening to different voters and hearing how they go about their process. It’s really really difficult to be on a team that won 40 games and get into that conversation because like who are the good teams is almost always the first thing people look at. Yeah. I I I honestly think that if he makes it it’s because there are so many players who are ineligible this year. Yeah. So, well, and his like the numbers are still pretty good. No, no, his numbers are his numbers are great. I I I totally agree, but the 40 win mark is bad, right? It might just disqualify him for Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you’re going to look around. I mean, I don’t think like the All-Star voting and AllNBA are totally different things, right? Yeah. Like Shangon I do not believe is all NBA. I do not think he’ll make AllNBA at all. Yeah. Uh couple other options here. Drew Holiday. The prohibitive thing with Drew Holiday is he looked older this year. Yeah. He looked he looked 35, which is what he is. And his contract goes until he’s like 38 or 39. Yeah. Like it’s And he’s expensive. And it’s really expensive. Like I love Drew Holiday as a player, but there comes a point where again you’re you’re talking about a guy who won two championships now and who’s been a leader and all that stuff, but how much more would you want to you’d you’d be do you want to start over again? Drew Holiday is currently 34. He turns 35 in June. Okay. He’s two months older than I am, and I’m talking about how old he is. Great. Yeah. Awesome. Love sports. So, next year is his age 35 season at 32.4, then 34.8, and then he has a $37.2 million player option in his age 37 season. Breaking news, he’s picking that up. So, this contract and then you just kind of look at his production this year and his body of work, and he didn’t he wasn’t bad. He had a bad player, but he’s just very clearly not peak Drew Holiday anymore. Mhm. If you’re taking on that contract, it’s because you’re getting something with it. Like that’s we want that contract and a pick and you’re going to take salary back. No, I I get you. I get you. Um that would be a situation where again like you could do that deal um using Demar De Rozan’s contract and a handful of other different types of contracts and that would save the uh the Celtics so much money down the road because again Demar’s contracts at 10 million next year. They’re way into the second April. Well, yeah. And that so that means and and they’re a repeat offender. So that means that if you’re going to save them 25 million in salary next season, that’s going to equate to like probably close to 80 million in luxury tax, which may be their goal. They got a new owner. That owner might just be trying to shed salary. Uh but again, if I’m taking back Drew Holiday, which peak Drew Holiday, perfect player. Oh, yeah. Peak. Yeah. Perfect. Like there’s a reason he he wanted in multiple spots when he went to Portland. But he’s not peak Drew Holiday anymore. Yeah. When he went to Portland, that was a moment to go get him. Yeah, when he went to Portland before he went and won championships with the a championship with the Celtics. I also like I’ll keep saying this. If you’re going to trade with the Celtics, I want Derek White. I I I don’t want Drew Holiday. And I know people are like, “Oh, they’re not going to give him up.” It’s like, “Yeah, but it depends. If their owner says we have to cut because I don’t want to pay a $300 million tax bill again.” Yeah. I get my my my I guess issue on the Derek White thing is every single team is going to want Derek White. Of course, it’s gonna I don’t think it’s Yes. I I saw somebody yesterday uh I think Al on on on Twitter put out a like Demar D Rozan for Derek White straight across swap. And I don’t think Demar de Rozan is is going to do it. I think there are going to be teams who will give up younger players, multiple draft picks. Yeah. Well, you’re giving up at least two first round picks in that trade. Yeah. Yeah. And but I do think I don’t know that Demar Rosen fits with the Celtics. They shoot a lot of threes and he does not. But anyway, that’s just everything. But we always talk about But Derek White is if we’re listing these guys in order, he is number one for me. Yeah. All all of the players that don’t fit alongside Zack Lavine, Derek White fits. Yes. Like he can play the one, he can manage a team, but he also plays incredible defense and would just give you like like a ton like he brings so much to the table. So yeah, I’m I’m a Derek White fan at this point. Um, you know, I think he’s he’s learned and he’s grown and he’s been he’s gotten way better. Awesome player. Really really good player. I would I would happily take Derek White on the Kings. Uh, okay. I have one more guy I want to talk about just because he’s interesting to me. We’ll tell you who that is next and then we’ll get into shooting guards. I promise. I swear we’re going to talk about the shooting guard situation on the Kings roster. Mhm. I promise we’re going to do it. That’s James Kyle. Joe Brazil at the home studio. We’re the Insider sponsored by Jiffy Lub. ESPN 1320, Sacramento Sports Center. I think I can throw one in at you, too. Man, Dyson Daniels, such a stud. Average three steals per game. That is just unheard of. It’s crazy good. What’s going on, Jetty House? Uh, Loki Drixer, I think Nimard would be a a good fit for the Kings at point guard, too. Um, he’s a guy who can might be able to grow into uh who might be way better than what he’s allowed to be right now. But I also worry that there’s kind of like like a ceiling there and it might just be kind of like everybody else a little bit mid like a lot of the other guys we talked about. I didn’t see a breakdown of voting. See an attachment. Oh, a lot of people pulled up for that Mojo’s trivia uh Kings trivia last night. Holy smokes. Really? [Music] Um okay interesting. Uh the Kings did not re single receive a single vote for uh amongst their players for NBA all defensive team. So Keon Ellis Keegan Murray did not receive a vote. I’m so hyped for Odyssey team trivia mojo in a couple weeks. Actually, it’s probably a few weeks. Yeah. Just a ton of people there. There were a lot of people at the Kings one last night. All right. But I want to get I know John wants to go. All right. Are you’re a trivia guy? I love trivia. Look at Jesse. Uh Joe, he’s going to blast out an email to the whole office. Oh, all right. Like trivia night of pull up. Say it’s on Thursday nights. I think that’s typically when they do it. Although tonight is Thursday. Wait, what’s this? Were you talking smack about me? No. No. I We were talking about concerts. You’re going to see. Oh. Oh, did I call them straight kids? That’s what That’s a group I like. Okay. Oh, maybe that’s not what I said last night. Maybe that’s what I said. I don’t know. Sean is was talking about going to the Kendrick Lamar concert and I told him that you were going Got it. to concerts. Stray Kids then Kendrick. Shout out Stray Kids. But I probably didn’t say Straight Kids. I’m a Han bias. Stray Cats is also a band. Very different. That’s what I said. That’s what I said. That is not a type of music your boy listens to. No, but it became a funny thing because All right. Now, back to The Insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson, brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. Stray Kids. Stray Cats is like a what? I don’t even know what kind of I know. Straight Cats is like 70s band. Yeah. ‘7s 80s. Um it’s funny though because when I said that, uh both Kyle and Brendan said, uh Kyle seems like somebody I’m sorry, Sean and Brendan said, Kyle seems like someone that would like cats. And I do. So straight. So I do. So they’re like that makes sense. It’s my bad. No, it’s fine. It’s uh I I understand that in in it was super US pop culture Yeah. that K-pop is still pretty pretty on the fringe. It’s fine. I don’t I I don’t hate it. I don’t hate it. Yeah. So, I hear you talk about Straight Kids on the King’s Pot. I’m like, what do you got to say, man? Let’s talk about it. Yeah. Well, Sean was t Well, first of all, Sean’s going to Bottle Rock this weekend, which I’m jealous. But he’s always gone, right? Sean’s a big live music guy. Yeah. Sean Cunningham, KCR A3, also co-host of the Kings Beat podcast. Yeah, he’s and he’s like a lifer there. Like, you know, he’s like the norm of uh like he walks in there like Sean, shout out George W. He passed away this week. RIP. Yep. All right, last point guard idea for the Kings. How’s Colin Ston grab you? He’s tough. Like like my biggest I can’t tell if he’s been a victim of circumstance in his career or if it’s like him. Yeah. Because he’s never ever ever ever ever ever ever won at all. Never been on uh any kind of real big stage. And I’m going to throw in another player that’s a lot like him and that’s Anthony Simon. And like he might be available as well. And so like there there is this other layer of of point guards that might actually be like where the Kings like kind of focus. And then there’s one other that we didn’t add to the free agent or the um the uh the trade options and he’s kind of a free agent trade option and that’s Josh Giddy. I don’t think the Bulls are going to trade Josh Giddy. I don’t think I I think they’re going to match any offer for Josh Giddy and I think he will be a bull moving forward, but he’s also another player that you have to at least look at and say, “Okay, would he make sense?” Yeah, would look at it for sure. The Colin Ston thing is really interesting. He is 26 until January of next year. Okay. So, it’ll be 26 for about half of next season. Next season is also the last year on his contract, and it’s at 19.1 million. So, you’d be getting a 26-year-old point guard, former lottery pick. Mhm. For 19.1 million for a year and potentially more than that if he plays well and you can probably get him on an extension that’s not crazy. This is where like again it’s tough because it is we talk all the time about getting to 35 million or 40 million or 45 million in for a trade but getting to 19 million is kind of a a more difficult path in No Man’s Land and like I I kind of look at him in the same way that I look at uh that I look at Malik Monk. I just don’t think he’s as good as Malik Monk. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I think he can score for sure. He doesn’t play any defense. His shooting percentages are are better than Monks for sure. Um, but he’s not the assist man that Malik is. You know, like Malik, you tried to put him a point guard and it didn’t really work out. But like he still averaged well over five assists per game this season and he averages with the Kings over five assists a game like every year. Yeah. So whether he can Colin Ston can be that guy, I I don’t know. He’s a 4.9 last year. Um, but I’m also I’m really concerned just about, you know, playing paying for a guy or going out and getting a guy who plays for perennial perennial losers. Yeah, that’s fair. Yeah. Uh, just for the sake of looking at this, I wanted to look at the per 100 stuff. Malik over the last three years 8.3 9.6 8.6 six and what is sexton per 36? Is that assist per 100? Yeah, assist per 100 possessions. Sorry. 5.8 8.97.2. Yeah, that’s not And the other guy like not great. Realistically, Anthony Simon, he’s he’s a lot like Colin Saxon. You know, he’s not a big assist guy, although he’s had five and a half and 4.8 assists in the last two years, but he’s also a guy who’s averaged 22.6, six 21.1 um you know shot around 38% from three like his uh shooting percentages overall are lower. I just think he’s going to be there’s a possibility he’ll be available. Uh he’s at 25.8 million that he makes this year that he just made. Um he’s got one year left at 27.6. So he might he might be a player that makes some sense. But again, I’m not making a move with a team like Portland unless let’s just hypothetically if I’m looking at Simons and I’m looking at uh Kamar Mhm. and you can kind of fit in, you know, like a Devin Carter uh Demard Rosen like and then Kings Giving first round picks. Mhm. That might be a way where you could fill two of those openings on your roster in one swing. Sure. I’m not ready to commit to a Colin Sexton intake yet because I’m looking at his per 100 stats over the last three years and they’re really interesting. Yeah. 32 points, 4.6 boards, 7.6 assists, shooting 48.8% from the field and 39.8% from three. Okay, that’s interesting. I’m not ready to have a firm take yet on Colin Ston. Well, yeah, put a pin in that. I would say I’m not ready to have a firm take on ask some questions. Okay. I got to go ask around. Yeah. Talk to my people. Simons I’m a little concerned doesn’t play defense and but he’s only 25. He’s almost 26. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think they’re kind of in the same boat of players that it’s like if everything if you can’t get a a big swing. These are players that I would at least like test test the waters on. Yeah, for sure. That’s James Ham. I’m Kyle Madson. Joe Brazil from the home studio today. We’re the insiders. Jiffy Lube sponsors this program. Let’s talk shooting guards. Talked a lot about point guards. Mhm. They even need when if we’re if we’re doing this positionally and if since we’ve separated out point guard, we’re not going to separate out small forward versus power forward. We’re just going to do wings and bigs. But since we separated out point guard, I felt the need to to talk about the other guard spot, the shooting guard. Mhm. Where the Kings within house options at point guard, it’s like, man, Malik Monk is probably our best option. And then it’s like Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, Keon Ellis, which sure Zack Zack Lavine can bring the ball up the floor. So big time question marks. In-house options at shooting guard. You’ve got Malik Monk, Zack Lavine, Demard Rosen, Keon Ellis, Devin Carter as that as that non ball handling guard. I think they have a lot of players at that spot. Yeah, they do. and and they have a couple of players who can act as primary as secondary ball handlers and even primary ball handlers with the second unit. Right. So, Right. That’s where Malik should fit. Yeah. And I also don’t like Zack Lavine throughout his career has proven that he can pass. Like he just doesn’t it’s not always his thing. He’s not looking to pass necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. And I I think he’s actually a very competent passer. He even had I think he had a 10 assist game after he got traded to the Kings. Um, you know, he’s a guy that for his career is, you know, averages four assists per game. Sure. Um, so I’m okay with him being like a secondary playmaker. But when I look at the shooting guard position, I I said this to you earlier, I think you could trade Zack Lavine and not acquire another shooting guard and still be okay. Yeah, I I agree with you. And I also want to talk about trading Zack Lavine here for a second because I think we’ve been operating like that’s just an untradeable deal. And we it’s it’s just man what a what a just huge contract. But given the amount of games he played last year and given the efficiency that he scored with last year. Yeah. I think I don’t know that teams are knocking down the door to get Zack Lavine necessarily, but there was a market for him at the last trade deadline. And I think given given how he played in Sacramento, if man, if there’s a team that’s just needs some scoring, needs some shot creation, needs some shooting, and Zack Lavine is there and available. I don’t think it’s this impossible, man, you’ve got to attach four first just to get out from underneath it type of deal. And the Kings may not want to. They may they may see Zack Lavine as a piece of their future, but I was just thinking about that. Uh, I think I was actually listening to you on DLO and KC and I just was like, man, I don’t know that the Lavine contract is as untradeable as as it felt like a couple of years ago. Well, I don’t think it’s as untradable if there’s a way for you to get into the if you go big game hunting. Yeah. Right. So, if if you get into like the LaMelo or or Trey or um again, John sweep stakes. Well, yeah, the Giannis. No, I’m not I’m not going to say. But if you were to go like chase one of those players, first of all, I don’t think any of those players work with Zack in the back court, but like financially, their contracts would match up pretty close. And it would be an easier just like, hey, let’s make a let’s make a trade. And that’s where I I look like if Keon Ellis is your starting shooting guard for the next five years, I don’t think you’re a bad team. Like I don’t think he makes you a bad team. I think he can average 10 to 12 points a game as like an offball 3 and D like excellent defender playing 30 plus minutes a night. I think the Kings are better when Keon Ellis plays 30 to 35 minutes a night like I do. Um, so if Zack Lavine were to either move to this small forward spot or no longer be there, I think you’re okay at the position, especially when you’ve got Malik Monk who is going to play 26 to 28 minutes a game off the bench and when you’ve got Devin Carter that, you know, can at least play 15 minutes a night and maybe more in some situations. So, um, I think it’s a really strange situation to be in, but I also know that the NBA doesn’t value shooting guards like they do other positions, right? So, you know, we’re talking about Cam Johnson Cam uh Thomas earlier. Cam Thomas isn’t going to get he might get paid by by Brooklyn, but I don’t think so. He’s a restricted free agent. I don’t think there’s going to be a ton of teams trying to max out Cam Thomas. No. And that’s the that’s the thing. you look at him and you’re like, “Hey, he should be able to make more money than than this.” But like shooting guards are that that’s why you don’t trade a point guard for a shooting guard, especially when you already have a whole roster full of shooting guards. And this is where we were looking at trade options. This might actually be advantageous for the Kings. If if they are looking to get off Demar Rosen’s deal, if they are looking to get off of Zack Lavine’s deal, there’s not a ton of guys that fill the roles that those guys fill just in the trade market. He’s not in the in players that I that I perceive to be potentially available. Like one guy that jumps out is like Contavius Caldwell Pope. That doing anything for anyone? No. Two guard play some defense. I know he didn’t have a great year in Orlando, but that’s like that’s the type of I threw Derrick White on there like cuz he he can play that role, but there’s not a lot of as you go down the list of teams. There’s either like dime a dozen type of guys or there’s guys that you know what, they’re probably just not letting go of him. Andrew Nehard, the Pacers are probably not trading Andrew Nehard. Yeah. I don’t think they have to. No. Yeah. So, if if you don’t have to, you’re not going to, right? You know, you can see the I would love to have him. Yeah. But probably not available. No, I mean, you can see the emergence of a guy like Nith and say, “Okay, like I kind of like the idea of a Hallebertton Nith backcourt. Maybe that creates a spot where you could get uh you could get him hard, but like at the same time, I I don’t think so. Like that team is is built to like they’re affordable pieces. like they they’ve done a good job a lot like OKC of locking up some of their players long term to like reasonable contracts. We talked about spent 11 million a year for like the next three years. That’s really nice. So yeah, I want to look at Nhard’s contract real quick. Yeah. Oh my god. Uh let’s see. Threeear 58 million extension with the Pacers. So he’s 181 195 20.9 and he’s a free agent at age 29. Okay, man. That’s interesting. That’s almost identical to the George Hill contract that Scott Perry signed. It was I think it was three or 57 million deal 19 a year. Just found this guy in the second round. Jeez Louise, man. Well, I mean he found he’s a Gonzaga guy. I mean like everybody knew who he was. you just like but they’re they do a good job in not only finding guys but then developing guys and giving guys opportunities. I mean again Nmith got an opportunity like Rick Carile’s done an excellent job there of of developing talent and like look we keep talking about Tyrese Hallebertton like it was a foregone conclusion that he was going to be this player in Sacramento if you wouldn’t have traded him. Sure. There’s nothing that says that that would happen. Yeah. There there’s just not. In his second season he’s still averaging 14 points a game when they traded him. Mhm. Like that’s like I hate to be on like brutally honest, but like instability in an organization uh allows young players to slip through the cracks. Yeah. And to miss out crucial years of development. Yeah. They It allows them to not reach their potential. When you keep switching coaches and every single coach that you have has a different idea of who you are as a player, that’s not it’s not a good way to grow up in the NBA. It’s a good way to to get yourself bumped out of the NBA and lose your spot to one of the 30 first round picks that are coming in each year. Yep. It’s really tough, man. All right, I’m going to throw some free agent names at you. Yep. Some of these are going to be more uninteresting than others. Okay. Ty Jerome talked about him yesterday. Yeah. I mean, like if if you were to lose I’m out. Malik Monk. Okay. But, you know, if you were to trade Malik Monk, then Ty Jerome, I’d be like, “Okay, I I’ll at least listen.” Okay, Bruce Brown. I love Bruce Brown. He’s got injury issues. He’s not like he’s not a great shooter and stuff like that, but yeah, I would still probably take I mean, I would take a little undersized, but can defend up. Yeah, he he can defend the one, two, three. Mhm. Nil Alexander Walker. I don’t know that Minnesota’s going to let him go, but man, you talk about a shooting guard that can defend his ass off one through three, can knock down a corner three. He’s the perfect avatar for the player that I’m like, man, the Kings need like two more of those guys. Yeah. And he’s an unrestricted free agent. Yeah. Kind of in the same vein as uh as Keon Ellis, right? Yeah. like different style but like sort of in the same type. A little bigger. Yeah. And like would I like to have him on the the Kings? Sure. I I’d also point out like Minnesota’s like well over they’re financially they’re going to be in some some trouble this year especially with Julius Randall having free agent. Yeah. He has a he has a player option at 31 million and then Nas Reed has an option a player option at 15 million. So, I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see Nikuel Alexander Walker gone, especially when you consider that they they traded all kinds of assets last year for Rob Dillingham. Yeah. And so, maybe they think he can step in and kind of fill that void. And they’ve got Dante Devenzo for more minutes. Um, yeah, it’s going to be tough. It’s a good point. Uh, Tim Hardway Jr. do anything for you? Nope. Yeah. No, I’m out. Carris Levert do anything for you? No. Nah, a big Caris Levert guy, but no. Matis Styel has an 11.6 million player option. He’s going to pick that up because that’s a what what do you think? Probably four times what he’d get on the open market. Yeah, that’s 11.6 million for Matis Dable. Crazy. Now, see that’s a deal where if you’re going to take on if you you could get uh Kamar Kamar, you could say we’ll take we’ll take Dballs last year. Yeah. And like free you guys up that salary. Give you the Kevin Harter trade exception or whatever and maybe run into a good defender. I’m getting knock down a three maybe. Maybe. Yeah, but like injury wos and everything has worked for anybody else. But maybe it’ll work for us. But having depth, you know, hiding on your bench that actually plays elite defense. Yes. Would be really nice to have because the Kings just haven’t been able to find any. If he’s your 13th guy and you’re getting cooked by, I don’t know, Donovan Mitchell. Yeah. He’s like, “Yeah. Hey, Matise, go do go try and defend. Do something.” Yeah. Go do something there. If you’re gonna throw, if you’re gonna give me Markel Folz minutes, you can give me Matis Style minutes. Yes. Uh, air coffee. [Music] Yeah. I mean, yes. Like air coffee. I’m taking Amir Coffee, especially if you if you were to lose a guy like Jake Larabia. Yeah. So, I mean, I think he’s same. Yeah. Like same same quality of player. We got to step aside on the radio side and pay some bills. I got three more players I want to run through with you and we will probably do that with one of Dura Casey whichever one is in for the handoff. That’s coming up next right here on ESPN 1320. We’re the insider sponsored by Jiffy Lube. It’s Sacramento Sports. Clear as people delude themselves into thinking it’ll work for them. Uh, I think for for me, like you say, without a trade, who cares about a shooting guard? I I I would agree. The the reason a lot of these guys were like saying no to or not interested in is because of that, like the Kings don’t need them. Nil Alexander Walker would fill a need as a quote unquote shooting guard where I feel like he could play the three. So, it’s technically, yeah, you’re adding a shooting guard, but you’re adding defense and three-point shooting. Bruce Brown, you’re adding a pesky defender, but yeah, I just don’t probably a couple years too late on that train. Yeah, and it’s tough. I mean, he’s a lot like your guy Gary Payeyton second. Um, a little bit bigger, but, you know, same style of player. Yeah. And, you know, if you’re going to do that, you might as well see if uh you can get Isaac Aoro out of uh out of Cleveland just because he’s that style of player, just way younger. Uh, Malik Monk to for Grant or Simons at the Or could I’m out on Jeremy Grant. Yeah, Jeremy Grant’s contract is so bloated. Yeah, I just Yeah. Yeah. You’re I think it’s 35 and 37. It gets a lot of money. Yeah. I’m not I’m not trading Malik unless just to just to fully answer your question here, Russ. I’m not trading Malik unless you’re getting like a really good wing back or a really good point guard back. Okay, so Jeremy Grant 32 34 and a player option at 36.4 in in the 2728 season. Yeah. And he just turned 31. And he’s 31. Yeah. And he hasn’t like he just doesn’t rebound at all. I you know I I don’t hate him. I know. Um he’s Sean is way down on on him like in our discussions on the pod. Mhm. Um I don’t hate him. I just the contract is so extreme. There was a time where it’s like okay like if you were going to give up a contract like Harrison Barnes contract for him, but then he just got so much money. Uh oh, I was checking Isaac Aoro. That’s a Cororo shot. 37.1% from three this year. Is Damian Marlin? He’s just kind of hanging out. We have one minute. One minute. No, none this week. Uh, let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Yeah. See, they gave Isaac Aoro uh he’s he’s under contract for 11 and 11.8 over the next two years. I’d make them give me something along with him. 30 seconds. What’s happening? Drew down. Drew down. We got the loonies. Shock Got. I don’t know why any station, including ours, plays any version except for that remix. Yeah, it’s unbelievable. Remix is so much better. So good. There we go. Now back to the insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. Yeah, I’m Kyle. That’s James. Joe Brazil from the home studio today. It is 11:44. You know what that means. It’s time now for the handoff. Taking the handoff from James and Kyle today. Here’s DLO Damian Barling. There he is. Damen Barling. Everybody Oh my god. I got to turn that down. Here we go. It’s my first time running a border. It turns out good, man. Forgot to put a I forgot to make it live this morning. [Laughter] It was I used to have a note card when we started KSFM that literally said go live. I even need that. Like go live. Turn the board on, Danny. We were going, In fact, it was this week. Thankfully, it doesn’t matter when you’re on an intro because the the the music runs anyways. Yeah. So, the way it works, if you don’t set the board the right way, you could talk, but no one could hear you, right? That’s what we were doing. So, I go to I go to I was like, “Hey, let’s uh let’s, you know, hype up the kiche tickets right here.” Put the headphones on. Look up green. Green needs to be red for you to go. I was like, and like immediately I’m like, “Yeah, never mind. We have like two seconds.” I was like, “Never mind.” Like, we’re I didn’t set the board live. No one would hear anything we say. Perfect. It’s great. Like it’s a it’s a great way to keep the station on the air and make sure everything is like functional, but if you don’t remember to do it like Yep. Yeah. Just dead air for us. Yeah, it’s fine. No, it We had a great time with YouTube. YouTube could hear us at least. Yeah. Not bad. How long till you noticed? Pretty early in the show. Oh, early early enough. Pretty early in the show or like early in the break? Like when you like when you started the show? Like when you started the show? We’re We’re probably We were Jonathan came I saw Jonathan I didn’t see him come all the way from the engineering room, but I saw him just out of the corner of my eye through the second window there. Yeah. And it was like, “Oh, whoops.” Cuz I knew why. Did you see the big yellow thing? No, I don’t pay attention to that. Oh, man. That thing No, that thing lives in my head. Like I can catch up Oh, Ken Anony’s off air again. Goddamn it. And I get anxiety. Well, no. Like, well, it is. Well, what you want me to do? Like, every once in a while, he didn’t do anything. It’s just every once in a while, like because it’s very glaring and it gives me anxiety because I know it’s not us, but I can still see it. And the amount of times that Jonathan is poked his head around that corner and I’ve had to just put my hand up like, “Buddy, healed. My bad.” Yep. I got Don’t walk down here. I got it. That was me. At least I got to it before Charlie came down. Okay. Because that’s when I know I really messed up. If if it’s Charlie’s the one coming down here. Yeah. That’s when it’s like, “Oh, man.” The second you see him Yes. I knew exactly. Charlie’s not exactly hustling from his That’s what I’m saying. Like that means it’s been like Yeah. It’s been a while. It’s been embarrassing. Cuz Charlie let like he’s working. He’s doing his stuff, but then he also like, “Okay, I’m going to let them figure this out.” Mhm. like they’ll figure so for him to like finally make his way. But anyways, uh I told James and Jonathan when I left the room to pick up our our paper rundowns that we have because we live in the 1990s. So I said, “Hey, don’t let me forget to make the board live.” So this is their fault. That’s how I’m viewing this. That’s fair. H Have you ever not made the board live? It happens if Joe is out Okay, I got you. For three days, I will do it once. Okay. At least, but only once. Got it. At least. Got it. Here’s the thing is it’s usually the first day. Nope. Got it right yesterday. Okay. Did not get it right today. Got it. Unbelievable. Understood. Anyways, heck of a game last night. We’re putting a pin in the shooting guard conversation. We’ll continue that with the Kings tomorrow. Okay. It’s fun when there’s a sports thing that happens and it just transcends the fandom of that sport. Where that comeback and Tyrese Hallebertton’s shot is just a not an NBA moment, like a sports moment. Yeah, that’s really cool to see those lines. It was that was awesome. That was so great. Was there any doubt when he stepped back that that shot was going in? Uh, I was so sure he was gonna make it when it flew 10 feet in the air. I thought that I thought I was like, I missed and then he just drops it. No, I I I I know what I He’s going to do it again. Yes. That’s like it’s the exact same play. Exact same. I um the my favorite part about this is 3 something left. 3:45 3 something like that. And we’re sitting down, we’re gonna eat dinner and it’s like I know you don’t want to watch this. I just when we get to 2 minutes, like it’s a it’s a it’s like a 15-point game. When it gets to 2 minutes, we’ll cut it out. We’ll watch whatever. And she’s like, “No, it’s it’s fine.” Mhm. I was like, “Well, I mean, it’s a blowout. It doesn’t matter.” And then I think at 2 minutes, like it’s like, “Oh, all right. It’s it’s I think it was at like nine and it was like, uh, we’re let’s we’ll just finish it out like whatever.” like they’re like if they’re new to sports, you have to tell them just so you just so you know this 2 minutes is going to take 18 minutes. So So what what’s fun is she was like asking a bunch of questions like okay why are they so funny I had the exact same experience. Okay. So this is great. Yeah. Why so why are they fouling? What’s the strategy here? Yes. Who are we rooting for? What do we want to happen? Like this Were you listening to the start of our show? No. Okay. So you’re not doing a bit. No, I’m dead serious. This is exactly what happened. This is so funny. This is verbatim what happened in my house. Yeah. No, this is exactly what happened. And she’s like, how how you know? So, okay. So, so O She didn’t say OG. So, they’re shooting the free throws. What happens next? It was like, well, if he misses one, they’re going to if he if he misses one, we’re going. If he makes both of them, they’re probably going to foul again because it’s a strategy. They’re up three. You can only shoot two free throws. It’s a brilliant strategy. People hate it, but it’s it’s the move. So he misses and it’s like, “Oh, okay. They’ve got a shot.” And I said, “They’re they’re going to go for the win.” And Tyrese drives in, loses the ball, dribbles back out, shot goes up, you know, hits the rim, and there’s this, oh, [Laughter] that’s exactly what we had. It was like this. Oh, the best part, that wasn’t me. just it it and there was there’s there’s this sprouting crazy there’s this very much oh my god oh my god and so you know immediately now oh it’s a two it’s not over they they said it was a two and shout out I think it was Ben Taylor just immediately he’s like it’s like yeah he was on he he like there was no call for it he was like it’s a two y just and of course I didn’t no one saw that live but and then the true MVP is TNT yes cuz you go back and you watch that play through when when the score switches to 125 and uh Ben Taylor’s talking about hey it’s a it’s a two everybody back they don’t run the stupid ass replay they go to the steel frame immediately the steel frame is up Tai toe is on the line and it’s like oh my god he’s doing the full celebration and at that point I was a Pacers fan yes I needed the Pacers to win that game because I thought if The Knicks won the moment it like that moment would be lost. Oh yeah. I needed needed the Pacers to win that game cuz I wanted that moment to live forever. The one thing that that I was with you, but the opportunity for a Knicks player to do that to the Pacers in overtime was also up there for me. I feel like that would have just turned the world on its axis. Yeah, man. What a And and I’ll say and we’re we’re going to talk a lot about this in the first hour. Shout out to Ty. Like I did not Ty is a I knew Tai was a good player. I always thought Tai was a great player. I did not think Tai was a guy who could be a villain at Madison Square Garden. Yes. I did not think he had that that that’s a different that’s different. Yes. And I also didn’t think he would be the guy who will take Giannis one-on-one in two different situations to win a series against the Milwaukee Bucks. And now on the road, uh, uh, losing control of the ball, recognizing I don’t have a clean shot, I’m going to do exactly what I did last time and dribble behind the three-point line, try to win this game one, and, you know, it’s it’s the old Kevin Durant Brooklyn line. If his shoe is half a size smaller, yeah, you know, the game ends in regulation. But I was I was really happy the Pacers won that because I wanted I wanted that moment. I think it’ll be remembered just for the shot, not even for what happened. Oh, absolutely. You won’t even remember. Oh, it’s a tie gamewinner. It’s like, well, wasn’t a game winner, but And didn’t the Pacers like immediately go down like five in overtime? Did they get down by as many as five? Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t five, but I I I felt like they I felt like they got down at the beginning of overtime and then all of a sudden, it was back. They’re just they’re really really hard team to beat, man. They’re they they have built they had they have done so much right. Yes. uh since that Tyrese Hallebert and Damonte Sabonis trade and they went all in with Pascal Seakum as their move and their duo and they’ve done a brilliant job of finding guys to surround those two and for N Smith to be the catalyst to what they did in that fourth quarter is it’s just phenomenal. I had literally the exact exact same situation, ex same conversation through that game and I kept going, okay, well, at some point they’re going to miss a shot because if the Pacers missed one shot down the stretch, it was done. And N Smith hits the first one and then the second one. It’s like, all right, well, he’s not going to make a third one. Well, he made a third one. God, we got to keep the game on. Like, all right, well, they got the free throws. All right, well, he he can’t they’re not going to make another one. Oh my god, he made another one. It’s like there was never a point that you could just go, “All right, that’s it.” We were really eager to fire the John Ham show. Uh madman, not that one. No neighbors, your friends and neighbors. That one. We were ready to fire that up. It’s like, let’s just wait. Let’s let’s just finish it. Let’s just wait and then then we’ll we’ll go. But then all of a sudden, it’s like 15, 12, nine. It’s five. Like, dang, he misses a free throw here. This gets interesting. Oh, he missed the first one. Michael We have something here. Yeah, man. So fun. So, so fun, man. Moral of the story, don’t turn off a Pacers game. Do not just don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t do it. Dogs. What do you guys have coming up on Don Case? Uh there’s going to be a lot of this. Uh obviously, we’ll talk a lot about Tai uh as well. We’ll revisit a conversation uh that James and Casey had yesterday in the 3:00 hour about big money players and and uh big money players for the Sacramento Kings versus uh you know depth and uh Matt George in the final hour of the show. So can’t wait. Should be a good one. DLO and KC coming up next for James Ham and Joe Brazil. I’m Kyle Madson. We’re the insider sponsored by Jiffy Lube. We are back tomorrow on this radio station at 10 a.m. Um ESPN 1320, Sacramento Sports Leader. Can I say Jify Lube? Shout out to Jiffy Lube. Drink water. Very nice people, too.

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