Miami Heat offseason: Should they consider trading away Bam Adebayo? | Five on the Floor

Miami Heat offseason: Should they consider trading away Bam Adebayo? | Five on the Floor

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introduced that be for a reason One uh I have been adamant on social media that that’s not something that I’m very open-minded towards I think everyone knows I’m a huge Bam Adabio fan Uh there’s always players throughout every era of Miami Heat basketball that I’ve you know you just are drawn to you know whatever however that goes And Bam is one of those guys for me So I am a Bam Adabio fan I want to see him in Miami for his entire career And so I have basically uh as people have engaged me on social media uh and things of that nature I’ve kind of shut down all BAM trade talk So that’s like if we’re going to be real self-centered and talk about just why it matters for Greg Sander that’s that But Alex there’s another part of this that we’re going to talk about today too And it’s just the fundamental belief in if the Heat are a middling middle of the middleling playin team with um not enough assets to go get the best players that will be available to supplement what they already have and also kind of not enough inhouse to just be one piece away There are a faction of fans out there that ask the question as they see teams like Indiana who just won game one I’m dating the podcast I don’t care what a great game that was They’re seeing teams like Indiana reload as they traded Sabonis traded um Paul George did things like that and they’re asking why why would Miami not consider taking their most valuable asset and using it to accumulate more assets so that you could build and maybe kind of set this thing for the future So you would take a step back because any team trading bam gets worse in in certain ways but you would have assets to go forward with because I don’t want to speak any further on this show without Alex getting a word in Alex let’s just stick to the personal part of this for you I know I’m making it super personal because I’m saying not only am I covering BAM I’m watching them every game We do these postgame shows I’m doing offday shows talking about the team we are all I mean obviously that’s just part of of what we do right but also I’m a fan of BAM autobio I’m not afraid to say that um how do you how where do you stand as far as that’s concerned and then we’ll get to the more practical parts of this I mean look I’m just going to start it off here by doing what everybody expects me to do and say it’s a tough question man look the the BAM thing is is in all honesty like that’s the last thing that me personally like that that I would want but I completely understand the the questions There’s no doubt about it And like for example just me personally like I’ve been covering the team game by game since uh the first Jimmy season So that’s since Bam has been a starter Bam was one of the first players I spoke to back with uh Miami Heat Beat uh back in the day right So have just been around for all of it of course throughout the uh long playoff runs And then I just think like it comes down to not only like a a basketball team building philosophy type of thing right But also just like your evaluation like of where the team stands right As far as uh you know you mentioned the one piece away thing It’s like if you don’t believe that you know the power of Miami and the power of hey maybe we can get one more guy and and then you know kind of work it out from there right Like to to fill out the a team around there Like if you’re not into that then you’re probably into the idea of at the very least a retool and if not maybe a hard reset And you’re right like a hard reset to me like Ethan and I did the episode I don’t remember how long ago it was now um like two three weeks ago talking about what what you alluded to there with with th those trades that the Pacers and the Thunder made right Like you you you mentioned the Pacers trading away PG and then trading away Sabonis and now you know h have drafted well and have done stuff ever since And there you go Like they they did kind of what like that is that is a retool what they did they they they they didn’t do a a hard reset where you know they completely started all over but they kept transitioning from build to build And I think there’s a lot of parallels with the the way that the Pacers and the Heat um operate right But then the Thunder um you know they got SGA and Jaylen Williams by trading away PG right And the Clippers were willing to overpay because they knew that without that trade they weren’t able to get Kawhai So they were essentially trading for both of those guys with that monstrous trade that everybody looks back on with hindsight now It’s like “Wow why’ they do that?” You know um I don’t blame the Clippers Just I’ll sneak that in there I get why they did it If you would have told me that you were getting the the title Kawawaii and a running mate to go for a run with it you you make that trade I think like people that with the benefit of hindsight have been a little too gotcha on that I I think But anyway I digress And you know like we we were trying to figure out like like canvas the league for like would there be a way to do that with Tyler where you do a trade like that where you’re trading somebody that’s already you know um somewhat established right And trying to you know um push back the clock a little bit where you’re like “Okay we like this guy Maybe we can get another guy in this trade and we’ll just kind of you know push the years back and and you know Kyler Herro for Kase Wallace like something like that I mean hey look you can think of something like that too I didn’t even We’ll keep it finals themed I I didn’t even consider the Thunder That’s an interesting one I really came down to like the Magic and the Pistons and I was looking at like Jaden Ivy and Ron Holland and then Anthony Black and Tristan Dilva stuff like that you know but that’s not those wouldn’t compare whatsoever to you know those type of trades we’re talking about What would or at least what you maybe could get closer to with those trades is uh trading BAM I think Bam could get you a a a bigger haul than what Tyler could And I think we all know that for for a lot of reasons here And not only that he is you know a couple of years older than Tyler Like just timelinewise just off of straight age you could make the case that Tyler could stick around for I know a lot of people specific like like anti-Tyler people don’t want to hear that but you know like he he’s he’s hitting his prime And if they were to hit a hard reset all of a sudden I bet you they could afford to pay up a little bit more with Tyler Like if you’re trading away Bam’s uh max contract don’t do this to me I can’t make it emotionally through this show No continue No I just think like that’s that’s what a hard reset would look like is trading away Bam potentially trading away Tyler and then if you don’t like the the returns for him you just hold on to him because he’s still like somewhat like pretty young even though he’s obviously way further ahead Um but I just I think me and you both you know don’t expect the Heat to do that It’s just that’s the last thing that they ever do So maybe they surprised us this time but I just don’t believe that that’s the case Like with all the the the scuffle not the scuffle the scuttle that’s been out there uh with KD with Giannis you know they’re always involved They’re always involved I just don’t believe that Pat and not not only Pat but just the front office that I cannot like picture a reality where they hit the hard reset like that and trade bam with Tyler It’s it almost sounds like like you know what I mean like um like fan fiction It’s like you never consider that being a reality Like what if you had if I had to put like the like a percentage chance on that happening on like the the just you know um blowing it up to that level I would probably say like a 2% chance Yeah You know like I just don’t and even then like I don’t know like I really cannot see it happening So even 2% might be saying a lot Yeah And so there’s a couple things here I’m glad you went to the value of Bam Uh and also the likelihood of them doing something like this I mean like let’s just acknowledge it’s not the Heat’s way to take steps back Um and I also think fans think that they want like when they see OKC pop up and and and show out Um that’s a James Harden step back right there if you hit that button Yeah Like that’s it’s kind of um Everything has to go right too Like a lot of teams have tried it and failed as well And I just think that it’s a lot easier to look at the successes of of how it is that you navigate um the asset management part of it So I I guess let me start here What could what could you get for BAM And I think that there’s a couple different categories of of P like different packages that we could talk through So one is you use Bam as the primary player in some sort of trade for a superstar who’s better than Bam and basically do something similar to when Riley got in Miami and traded Glenn Rice for Alonzo Morning and I famously uh was teary eyed upset at Pat Riley that he traded my favorite player Glenn Rice and it turned into one of the best moves in franchise history yada yada yada Like that’s one move Like let’s say Giannis becomes available and Milwaukee didn’t want to um necessarily be a bad team immediately They wanted to still try to contend because of their salary or whatever the heck the the their reasoning is We we can kind of put that aside Or Giannis wants to stay east however it were to happen That’s So let me put this out there just so that people know I’m not stupid or crazy Yes If Jiannis Anttompo is available you trade Bam out of bio for him I’m not crazy I get that Uh there’s probably a few other names Not Kevin Durant Like hell no Like that’s not I’m not there Like 37y old Kevin Durant Like we’re having arguments on whether you would include where in that package Bam That’s not even a conversation Um the other part of this is so is there any all-star player that’s out there that could get moved that you get that much better by flipping BAM for them That’s a question I think that you have to ask yourself like who’s out there around the league that maybe we don’t think can be plucked out of their situation that would make the heat exponentially better with Bam I’m open-minded to those types of moves Like if he ultimately if you told me that the Giannis saga ended up with me having to stomach Bam in another jersey but they got Giannis I would understand why the organization did it because like Giannis would put them in immediate contention He’s the type of guy that I think you obviously can feel good about building around Um there’s question marks on how his game will age I think great players tend to figure it out if they’re well conditioned and he is one of those guys So I I I would understand it So so that’s one aspect of this and I don’t know that we need to canvas the league for the guys that you could get for him that would make sense Um but then there’s the other part of it and it’s the draft picks Before I talk about the draft picks because this is where I have a very specific um kind of gripe with the way people are approaching talking about trading BAM and what a hard reset looks like Are there any all-star players that come to your mind or even like maybe like let’s not say an all-star but a semi-star that’s young that they could trade for Bam that would turn their clock back but maybe um allow them to be good again pretty soon because I don’t think anyone wants to go through a really long period of being bad or is there a superstar that could get them in contention today that we’re not considering that’s out there like you know obviously we saw Luca get get traded Like is there someone out there like that that you think we should at least consider on this show where we’re entertaining the idea of training trading BAM Well that’s the thing It’s like for example you already mentioned Giannis That’s the one where it’s very tough to draw a line right Because it’s like you’re trying to figure out like even though there’s it’s a weird fit right like you you’d want to keep bam with Giannis because that would be an insanely ridiculous front court you know even with the fit stuff You just try to figure that out I think you know um everybody but like the YouTube commenters prefer to keep Bam over Tyler in that scenario But look like it’s just at that point you’re trading Bam Like is Giannis and Tyler and and whatever else you have left good enough right I don’t know Like I just think that becomes a complicated scenario Is that what Giannis wants I don’t know And I think then you start like you asked the question about the other guys whether it’s guys who are ready now or guys who may be who may be ready later like the the names that come to mind as far as the guys who are ready now you know a little bit younger like Ant you know but that’s not going to happen obviously like why is Minnesota trading for Bam that that one doesn’t make any sense that’s just a name you know that sort of fit the bill as far as that type of player absolutely upand cominging player like one that right away came to mind for like a team that might you know think that this is the move to help them compete right away like the Rockets but that doesn’t really make sense given like the their team context either right Like a men Thompson right Like would you trade ban for a package centered around a men Thompson right But again like that doesn’t it doesn’t make sense for the Rockets Um and I think they they value Thompson ridiculously highly I just you know these are not likely scenarios right Um so we we just keep coming back to like the same names right with Giannis And I’m not really sure like of course if if a guy like Joic became available you know you you have to consider it You absolutely have to consider it at the very least And you don’t have to consider it You you do Exactly That’s you you call it off for everything And I think that like keep running back into the same problem where it’s like well the team wouldn’t be ready no matter who you’re trading banned for but then it’s like well how much do you believe in them being able to like you know again the power of Miami Yeah Reset around them Yeah The whole the power of Miami it and I’m using it as a verb there Like how would you believe in them to be able to do that And to so to your point like maybe some of that would have to involve like multiple moves like kind of in motion and if the Heat knew that they were landing two players for instance or something like that maybe they they would get more open-minded to it Um I’m glad that you brought up uh like the teams out there that like could potentially think that um they have like younger players and BAM would be attractive If somehow OKC fumbles the bag in this NBA Finals I would I mean I don’t know why they wouldn’t call Miami and like empty the treasure chest I feel like that’s like a a missing piece there for a team like that Maybe I’m wrong but so that’s the superstar angle of this which I will acknowledge if you found that kind of player like the really high caliber the Lucas of the league Giannis obviously um and players that are any higher up in the hierarchy Like I get it Okay so everybody can stop about Greg’s delusional He wouldn’t trade Bam for you know all the greatest players in the league That’s nuts I’m with you I understand it even if it would hurt Uh here’s the other part of it Um a lot of people when they talk about this like idea of trading BAM it’s to like some people instead of thinking about a blue chip like big time allstar Alex they talk about accumulating a ton of assets And this is where it gets weird for me because I I could think of nothing worse than losing Jimmy Butler the way they just did and then processing some scenario where you traded Bam to like let’s use OKC as an example We’ll stick with this finals thing And also Oklahoma City um in order to really catapult them to the next level they probably wouldn’t want to send Chad homegrren for Bam out of bio they’d want to supplement BAM with chat I’m just again this is all speculative but you know what OKC does have they have a lot of future assets right so do they they could comfortably offer and um if Muel Bridges can go for five first we can use that as just like a crazy trade right they could offer first five five first round picks for Bam Adabio but this is where I get hung up and I’m interested to hear your thoughts on this Alex what would pain me to no end is the idea of trading Bam after losing Jimmy like this So you basically like scrape out your entire identity and your fan base is left with nobody that they feel connected to on this roster at all Um but like if you also got five first round picks that were like 15 to 23 in draft range that just is the worst idea to me ever And I know that picks before they get selected are more valuable than after they are So the this is where everyone would say but you’re going to take those picks and you’re going to flip them for something else that’s better And to me I middling like picks from good teams I don’t think is that uh attractive Even if you got five of them I don’t know that OKC’s five next drafts are worth like I love having those over Bam I’ll just be dead ass honest And that might sound crazy People will probably disagree with me but I don’t think having the like you know in picks in the 20s uh to stockpile I just don’t see one how you’re closing the deal on really big uh players with those type of picks And maybe I’m wrong about that And two I just kind of I don’t I would want a a blue chip asset if I’m gonna part with the franchise cornerstone that’s here that will have his number retired He’s probably going to lead the Heat If he sticks around Bam Adabio will end up the career leader in so many statistics He’s going to pass Dwayne It’s going to feel weird because we’re going to say how he’s not better than Dwayne but he’s passing Dwayne in a lot of measures if he were to stick around I’m just not willing to give that up for a bunch of like Haimey Hakez Yoic level like player assets That’s where I stand Am I crazy Where do you weigh in on that I completely get it man I do I do get it Um even though I understand the the hard reset line of thinking I’m with you that that the timing of it would would suck I think a certain part of me is like well it would be cool in the in the sense of them finally picking a direction because that’s something that I’ve been complaining about um specifically since at the very least last summer you could say the summer before but since last summer with everything that that did and didn’t go down with Jimmy and you know I think that that would be picking a direction in in such a very like obvious way where it’s like okay buckle down everybody like you know however many percentage of you wanted this you’re getting what you you wanted Um you know we’re going to start slow and I I again I don’t see that happening but uh something about it will be like okay at least they picked the direction Again um I just think I’m with you in the sense of it can’t just be a bunch of OKC picks And the good thing about that is they own other teams picks but like looking at the list it’s not it’s not that awesome honestly like they have a nice like volume of draft picks There’s no doubt about it Um and look like some of them are other teams picks but again it’s like I I’ve got to like you got to put together uh a compelling package Yeah Of first round picks Like one of them that I’m looking at here is like okay they own Utah’s 2026 top eight protected I’m like okay I’m asking for that one Even if the the highest it could go is nine is like it’s Yeah except Utah is not even like Never mind Like that one is not even going to it’s not even not this is not like they have a lot of like playoff teams as picks I’m looking at I see Boston obviously like the Miami one this year I see Denver I see Dallas right So again they have they they have a nice volume of picks that they can put together And I think you would at the very least have to consider if they put together a package like what you’re talking about there you know even if you don’t love any one of those if you’re just stacking like five of them and you’re getting somewhat close to bridges I think you consider it where um I think that’s such like a that’s something you consider if you’re really thinking about resetting Totally I like because that is that is the move right there you do that and and you decide on what you do with Tyler I think a lot of people say well at that point you just trade Tyler because what’s the point Yeah Um and I get that too Um and it’s just like well buckle up because it’s going to be a long time because there’s no guarantee that you’re gonna even though even though everybody trusts Adam Simon and even though everybody trusts the scouting like there’s no guarantee whatsoever that you’re going to be back in the mix or like there’s no guarantee that you know maybe you don’t that you hit some guys I mean excuse me you hit on some guys and really like in a couple of years they kind of punt on it and go back to what they’ve been doing and just like no we’re just going to try to trade for the star right So again I don’t see any of this happening but it it’s like I don’t maybe San Antonio also could get in the mix like if they strike out on Giannis if you know Durant stuff doesn’t work out for them either They kind of have a similar thing going on where it’s like how much of their their picks do you want But I’m glad you bring them up I’m glad you bring them up Sorry to interrupt you Um and it’s just because and the only reason I’m interrupting you is because I’ll forget what I’m going to say if I don’t spit it out right now No it’s all good San Antonio has the type of pick like they’re they they got the second pick right in the draft Mhm And 14 Um if you told me that like the blue chip asset that you’re getting back in your pick a direction moment and is the number two pick in this draft and you’re going to like take Dylan Harper and you’re going to start that reset process I like that a lot better Like if you have to sell me on something and that’s the blue chip asset that comes back or um if next year they own their first round pick and they were in a situation where they could like trade up to the number one spot and take the AJ I don’t know how to say his last name right now I apologize but he’s going to go number one next year something like that where like immediately you as a fan or an analyst of the team could identify like okay that’s what we can latch on to to watch what how it’s going to grow right I just think you alienate a large percentage of your fans if all you trade for is the idea of future assets and what you can do with them and I think people underestimate how shitty frankly it is to go through season after season of being really bad but also like not having anything to identify with and all you’d have is really your head coach and is your head coach wanting to go through a complete rebuild I just think to all of that end and we’re getting close to to wrapping up here but for for me it’s always been about like if it’s gonna be a draft asset it would have to be someone where I understand oh that’s a blue chip pick that they just got and not like a one that’s four years from now cuz like remember when Miami had the most valuable asset that’s floating around the league It I forgot which their was it their finally going to convey the the 15th pick It might be that one That That’s what I mean Or was it was it the uh Trey man pick Maybe Trey Man I think that that’s what the the one was Thank you for saying that And also I think that um you’ve seen like just some of the picks that get thrown around in some of these trades Uh I I don’t know like there there would have to be one of those really top names So it’s it’s So now as we narrow this down uh and kind of form a cohesive ending here it’s the superstar that catapults you into contention immediately You obviously think about that for Bam But how many superstars are going to want to come to Miami and not play with Bam I think that people underestimate that The people who know ball frankly and that understand the league understand what Bam brings on one side of the floor and the players want to play with Bam like that Like all of the players that have wanted to come to Miami recently it has a lot to do with Spo and it has a lot to do with Mr Bam Adabio So I just don’t see what can what what crazy player out there that like everybody’s loves like Anthony Edwards for instance Why the hell is he gonna come to Miami for a fresh start with no one around him Um I think that to close the loop on Tyler because you mentioned him in terms of like why not just trade him too He’s coming up for an extension sooner So that’s why I’ve been more willing to and I also don’t think he’s as good a player as Bam So let’s just get that out the way Uh because of Tyler’s looming extension it’s been why I’ve been more open-minded on our shows to talk about trading Tyler People think I got something against Tyler It’s not that It’s that he has an extension coming up Bam doesn’t He’s locked up And um I just don’t know that even if you added one of those really top superstars to just Tyler you could convince yourself that that’s good enough So again what are we really doing there Um and I don’t know that the blue chip picks are going to be offered So it’s the middling first round picks and what you could do to flip those and kind of change the trajectory What could you flip with with Tyler and the and the other stuff But it’s like you’ve already So let’s think about that for five seconds Like what what would be a guy out there that you would say “Okay we’ve got Tyler who matches the money and is an all-star caliber player and we’re going to take all these picks and we’re going to go present to the fans the new franchise pillar.” Who is that player out there That’s the thing First of all they’re going to have what three tradable picks before draft night or on draft night Yeah Do I have that right Yeah How many picks do you think they it would take Like if Milwaukee is like “Okay like if the Heat are like “Okay we’ll send you Bam.” How many thinks How many picks do you think it’ll take uh on top of Bam Probably Bam plus three At that point you’re left with flipping Tyler and the young players Mhm Does that get you a second star Maybe for a team that’s looking to reset it’s like okay here’s a bunch of young dudes and a guy who is still pretty young but is further down the line Um like if Giannis and Durant say I we want a team up in Miami and you tell me that Bam has to go for that situation to figure itself out I get it And even if Tyler has to leave too I would understand what they’re trying to do But like I just don’t see that happening And um I’m trying to think if there’s anyone else Yeah that that one was that’s a pretty good one just because it’s you know it’s topical Those are the names everybody wants to hear about Yeah Um so in that sense I I would absolutely consider that because it’s like you know that’s a that’s like a very like classical Pat Riley type of move Like when everybody talks about you know he traded Lamar Karan for Shaq like it’s that type of move where it’s like okay we’re just we’re just going to go for broke right So I think you consider that necess I don’t think that necessarily is like the greatest move for the Suns where it’s like okay what are we doing now be Tyler Booker where Yovic I know it’s a mess I guess again that was justing a theory yeah I get you I get the line of thinking there um other than that it’s it’s hard to come up with guys um and then really like going back to what you were saying before because I really think you like you got you you were on to something there with the Spurs and mentioning the Dylan Harper thing like that would be that would be much more like tanalyzing to Me personally it’s like if you’re going to reset and you’re starting off with Dylan Harour who is like the consolation prize in this draft right where like people would be really really excited to have him and I think he’s the consensus number two Like that would be pretty awesome You know a big guard who seems like he fits the modern league He seems like he’s going to be you know like he’s got a lot of star potential You can seriously see that in his game if it works out you know Um I think that would be really fun Not only that they’ve got you know um a good amount of picks that they can trade too They have the number 14 pick in this draft I think they have another one in the 30s And then I was looking at their future picks as well They’ve got some interesting ones like if you’re looking at like um the a package that that may or may not include future picks down the line They have like a 2030 and a 2031 One of those is like swap rights with like Dallas which I like because you know Dallas has aging stars you know so 2030 2031 whatever it is Um like there’s some like picks that you can target if you’re trying to get like a good package of draft of draft picks Now I’m not saying you’re going to get all of them Like I think it’s going to be really hard to get like Dylan Harper plus a bunch of other picks Like I don’t think the Spurs like want to do that but you know there is obviously like some some uh logic to that Not only because Harper and and his like the positional stuff with Fox and Castle but the fact that Victor and a guy of his size like the the injury history isn’t great even though he’s obviously built very differently from other guys his size in the past you know maybe if you’re just like he’s obviously really good and ready to win now You have Fox already you know like it’s like okay Harper and other picks obviously the salary to make it work and you have Bam And and that’s the thing like they have Kell Johnson they have Sohan they have Vel they have Barnes like they have a lot of middling contracts that they can put together without trading Castle you know so it makes some sense The Thunder also have like a bevy of middling contracts and also like some bigger ones like Hardenstein that they can put together easily to make the salary work the Heat can kind of have their pick of the litter there because you know uh they have like also Aaron Wiggins you know they got Kase Wallace’s they’ve got guys who haven’t even shown anything yet because of how like far down the depth chart they are He drafted like Topic uh Dylan Jones AJ Mitchell has shown something this year as a rookie He was playing last night in a finals game They have uh other future So like the Thunder would be like the stockpile strategy where like we’re getting as many picks and young players like like rookie scale deals as possible because they’ve got a lot of that right And the Spurs would be like “Okay the higher level stuff like maybe you can get a Harper maybe you can get some of these down the line picks that could be really valuable and kind of put something there.” But uh either way I don’t see it happening But it is something where like if you’re going to reset I think the people who are into this idea are 100% right that you know that is where we should have started I think to be fair Ethan and I should have started with like if we’re going to do like a reset type of trade you know we probably should have started with Bam because what is the point of just trading Tyler and resetting it’s like then by the time you’re ready again Bam’s going to be a little bit older Like he you know like I just think that he keep facing this dilemma It is a dilemma It it comes down to how how much do you believe in like your ability to bounce back and get into that playoff mix and attract stars And I get it I get why they operate that way to a certain extent But I think this this summer is going to be a real like test of their philosophy the way with how it goes down And I think we know that the first priority is going to be to try to you know hit one of these upgrades We’ll see what happens though The real test will be if and when they strike out Yeah and that to see how they pivot will be interesting um to understand like because we talk because this is ultimately an episode and I know we’ve made it bam centric and gone longer than we expected but it’s really a philosophical episode about like where you take the franchise next and I just um to your point I don’t know that there is and there’s probably people that are going to tweet a bunch of trades at me that like from teams like Denver like saying Jokic demands to have better help so what would they offer for BAM Think about all the teams out there and how creative you could get with offers etc You never know what you could get for BAM I I understand all that I just think it’s pretty far-fetched And I personally would prefer them to pick a direction like taking a shot on Durant I know people are going to some people cringe at the idea of a 37year-old Durant for a couple years but I also I’ll end with this and then um if you have any final thoughts you can throw them in Uh shout out to prize picks Use that code five and check out off the floor Um don’t forget that the Heat like next off season could have 30 $40 million in cap space So like you also have to weigh how quickly do you think you could get to a year like that where you could accelerate this process and get better quickly And like is it worth you know maybe having a a midyear next year where you own your pick uh knowing that you can make dramatic changes that next following season and I ultimately just think that that’s where the Heat will land on this phil philosophically Um but uh I think that it is important that you know if if they were in salary cap hell Alex for the next five seasons out I think this becomes a much more intense conversation in terms of what they do But the fact that 2026 offers them some flexibility to try to reshape this I think that’s probably what’s going to lean them in the direction of short-term fixes and then understanding that they do have that off season to get right Uh is that kind of your pulse on on probably the way that this goes Yeah I get where you’re where you’re going there Personally I’m a little bit more skeptical about the cap space stuff although I’m not downplaying the value of just having flexibility given the Heat specific scenario where it’s like we like we’ve been talking about this throughout the show Um they’re always trying to attract stars and they’re going like for as much as we talk about like and and people talk about Pat striking out like there were stars that were undoubtedly interested in coming Correct The obvious one being Dame and of course you know there was interest from Durant and Mitchell like there there’s been time and time again interest now whether they they can pull it off or now because of decisions they’ve made in the past kind of you know handcuffing them in the future and limiting how much that they can do um that’s a different story but I think because of that it’s like okay we’re going to keep ourselves in this loop of being competitive and being like okay if we’re not in that contention window we’ll be ready to strike and get right back into it and that’s where like going back to what I said at the beginning about the parallels between them and the Pacers of Miami is Miami The Pacers don’t get stars but both teams operate in the sense of always trying to get into that next competitive build right Um they don’t tank Yeah the Pacers have have to hit their draft picks right And they have to hit on those trades and you know like you know and they did it like they did it with Saka man You know I think a lot of us um or just a lot of people in general like downplay what a guy like that could add to that team and downplay the type of talent that they have Like I didn’t see I definitely didn’t see that coming with like you know Nemard and N Smith It’s like yeah these guys were all cool players that maybe you saw when they were coming out in co of college but it’s like wow they really stockpiled a bunch of different guys and developed them into these roles where it’s like all of a sudden it’s like there’s no doubt about it Like N Smith and Nhard are out there giving you know SGA hell Like Turner is has been Miles Turner for a long time right And then Seakum was like the you know the the second piece there but he’s he’s not like even he is not relied on right to to to do everything So like they’ve got this perfect blend of a team right And I don’t think the Heat are like one piece away from being the Pacers in that sense right So like if you’re if you’re being like “Okay KD come save us You’ve got to do stuff over there.” So it’s like there there is no guaranteed route from all the different options Oh yeah No magic bullet Yeah There’s none of them that’s like okay this is this is the one that has like I feel like they all have their pros and cons and that’s why it keeps coming back to like this philosophical stuff but yeah man Again like not to keep like saying it I don’t think it’s going to happen with Bam But you know there are some like there’s a compelling case to be made as far as if you can get a real package like again back to that San Antonio package If you can get Harper you can get their 2031 Sacramento swap if you can get their 2030 Dallas swap maybe even 2028 Boston like they have all of those Um and I think that would that would definitely like that would be the one that would make me seriously consider it Not the Thunder one to to your point from earlier because it’s like okay blue chip guy plus a bunch of other like Yeah very interesting picks down the line Is Bam gonna get you all that Is San Antonio gonna give you all that I don’t know you know they they’re they’re probably looking at bigger fish at the moment But yeah even then that’s like a that’s like a best case scenario outcome That’s not like what you can bank on happening if you were to try to press that BAM reset button You know look heat nation I just spent 40 minutes talking about the idea of trading BAM out of bio I now need therapy Thank you for joining us on Five on the Floor Um but we get through these episodes and uh I told you I’d talk about it So now y’all know where I stand Don’t think it’s happening We appreciate everyone uh joining us Alex thank you for your time Shout out to Prize Picks Join our contest Uh check it out on Twitter Ethan will be tweeting it from the Five Reason Sports account And don’t forget off the floor most heat anywhere Peace

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