Emergency Pod 🚨 HISTORIC NBA Draft Lottery – Mavs’ Jump to No. 1 | The Hoop Collective

Emergency Pod 🚨 HISTORIC NBA Draft Lottery – Mavs’ Jump to No. 1 | The Hoop Collective

hello and welcome to this emergency edition of the Hoop Collective podcast we talk about the NBA McMahon somebody’s got another book coming out joining us from Madison Square Garden we had to we broke him off from doing the Knicks uh uh Celtics playoff game in the uh John Condan press room at the Madison Square Garden Gardens Tim Bonteps book is going to be on the fix 2025 lottery if my text messages or anything have to say about it joining us from Dallas Texas where he’s soon to get on a plane for Oklahoma City for game five of the Nuggets uh uh Thunder series is B McMahon howdy partners listen there might be a bunch of conspiracy theories out there but that dumbass one about the Mavs are moving to Vegas I think went kaput tonight okay let me ask you this please because my phone is blowing up too what is the conspiracy i mean I know the conspiracy theory is that allegedly was fixed for the Mavericks please explain the conspiracy to me i mean the conspiracy is that look for okay I don’t want to explain the conspiracy the conspiracy theory in 10 seconds would be that a team that’s fan base had completely turned on and shut off the franchise just would have given a complete lifeline by getting a generational prospect to show up immediately after the fan bases in Washington and Utah and Charlotte that have shut off that franchise those we have a very long I have a very long speech about the lottery rules but I We’ll we’ll save that for a second wendy we there’s a little bit of a difference between hey your team’s just been bad and or recently got bad has been bad for a little while versus you traded a generational player months after the finals as he’s approaching his prime and there’s one thing if it’s apathy but the outrage was in Dallas was pretty unique having said that I don’t want to discuss i’ve heard some reachy conspiracy theories i think people just We don’t need to spend time i’m just saying let’s talk it’s not a logical conspiracy theory okay so here’s here is the logic here’s the logic the NBA changed the lottery rules a few years ago to flatten the lottery odds and make it less advantageous for teams to tank it’s been a colossal disaster and a complete failure and this today is the the nail in the coffin to me for this whole thing that they have put in place you look at the teams that got the first second and third picks those are teams that have playoff caliber rosters that were in the lottery because they had injuries y and in the Mavericks case they had to trade and then also catastrophic injuries right you have a situation where you have multiple bad teams that were trying to get high draft picks for the past couple of years to get the kind of player that could turn their franchise around they are picking fifth and sixth in the draft you have teams that already have loaded rosters getting elite prospects in this draft like the bottom line is Hold on hold on the NBA the NBA did this to discourage tanking so if you’re in the league office you said “Hey you chose to tank we tried to we’ve outlawed it we’ve tried to discourage it.” I think it I think this means it’s working attempts i think they like this i I disagree because if you’re a Utah let’s let’s just take the Utah Jazz right the team with the number one lottery odds in the draft yeah they got miserably miserable luck they have no chance to get a player like Cooper flag unless they win the lottery and they did everything by the book in terms of giving themselves the best chance to do so that’s not true that’s not true no they had they had two all they had two all-star players that they traded and they went down this path to tank i mean yeah they did everything by the book but the book has been banned the the tanking book is you can’t get it at the library anymore it’s been banned look I don’t see how we could sit here today and say that after several years in a row of the eighth ninth 10th and 11th teams in the lottery jumping into the top one two or three last year the 10th team in the lottery won the lottery it was not a good draft so people didn’t really talk about it they don’t like what you want weren’t the Mavericks 10th or 11th this year so they were 11th yeah one point of moving up the 10th and 11th team won backto-back years and the teams those teams weren’t tanking the teams that blatantly tanked lost yes I’m saying that for small market teams the draft is the is their one consistent and reliable way to get access to elite players and the new system there’s a reason why Sam Prey went on a crusade to try to not have the rules be changed several years ago because he was tanking at the time because if you’re in Oklahoma City Well yeah listen he was not taking at the time when they first tried to do it it was when they had Kevin Durant on the team and if you are in Oklahoma City the draft is the one way you have a chance to get elite players clearly it’s not they have a guy named Shay Gilis Alexander who was a 10th pick in a draft and that they traded for so you can you’re telling me it’s the one way when they have a guy who’s probably going to be named MVP on their roster that is proof otherwise what are you talking about okay i would just say the reason this this lottery is crazy is because of the storylines yes more than the odds the storylines of the Dallas by the way I I Do you think McMahon instant reaction here you think they’re keeping Cooper flag right you’re keeping Cooper Flag do I think so yes yeah me too i would just say Kyrie’s going to be messed up i have not been told with 100% certainty we’re drafting Cooper flag right will not allow them to trade Cooper flag i would say never say never because I didn’t think because they can’t trade Luca and Cooper flag at the same calendar year right i I wouldn’t think so i didn’t think they were going to trade Luca despite understanding all the frustration there was so my assumption is you you draft this generational talent who would be number one in the vast majority of drafts um you know and by the way I just I’m however many weeks removed from really kind of pressing Nico on the long-term logic of the Luca trade what about these picks you traded 27 28 29 30 well this kind of mitigates buddy this mitigates that concern it doesn’t totally eliminate it but it certainly mitigates it and also you know the the other thing that honestly I think was had really cranked the heat up on on Nico Harrison uh to the point where like I was sniffing around after the season like is his job in immediate jeopardy um the answer was no at the time but uh it was the business ramifications of the Luca deal the fact that they could you know they were projecting Yeah it’s all wiped away and Cooper Flag is going to be an extraordinarily First of all we if Cooper Flag is the player everybody believes he will be he’s going to be an extraordinarily marketable guy and folks who might not have wanted to renew their s season tickets are probably ringing up the ticket office right now the bad vibes around the Mavs disappeared the second they won the lottery i’m not saying they I’m not saying it Luca Don is going to be forgotten but they got Cooper flag they can reset everything there’s a reason why Rick Welts had a joker-like grin sitting at his seat because he got of the Mavericks that’s right the guy who’s in charge of selling selling tickets for the team and selling a new arena and every all that stuff and they fell ass backwards into the solution to all their problems if the Mavericks have a sense of humor the highlight reel that they put out on social media and all that after they draft Cooper Flag is going to be nothing but defense defense wins championships and that dude can definitely play some defense i mean honestly the comp one of the comps I’ve heard for him is a Kawhi Leonard type of two-way talent i mean look he’s an incredible fit next to Anthony Davis long term like it’s it’s a it’s a dream landing spot for them and my point on the draft to which I don’t think you guys got is the point of the draft is to distribute talent to the worst teams in theory if you’re having a draft that’s the point of the draft and by making it a free in the lottery you’re wor you’re one of the worst teams but okay I mean to sit here and act like Philly San Antonio and Dallas were among the worst teams is foolish do you want to get rid of the lottery you want to get rid of the lottery that’s why they call it the lottery also like dude the tanking continues to be a major major major problem in the NBA yes this just made it worse all all of these teams tanked down the stretch and the Sixers case flagrantly well the Sixers are a different story we haven’t even talked about them yet right utah Washington the the the full season franchise strategy tank jobs have not been rewarded and if you’re Adam Silver and you’re in the league office I think your answer is listen we flatten the lottery odds to discourage you from taking the Utah Jazz to do it anyways that’s your problem they’re not supposed to trade Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Goar they got their stars they’re never allowed they’re they’re just like they were going to have to trade Donovan that we all know that thing was coming to a head donovan did not want Okay but they didn’t have to trade him for for to to to tank they could have traded him for assets that could have played yeah and they and and listen I’m not even criticizing that like they they probably did the right thing um but you know like the the whole point of this is that you don’t want to reward a team’s going for 15 wins and tanking was the right strategy and it was a risky strategy you can say this is bad luck for the Jazz it was also by the odds the most i saw I saw an interview I saw an interview real quick with by the way the Wizards got screwed too they fell from uh number three to number six um here and number two to number six number three both of them wor scenarios so I saw Will Dawkins he gave an interview real quick to Josh Robbins from the Athletic and what Will said was you come in knowing there’s a 50% chance you’re going to be five or six you have to accept that that was that’s reality of course of course so you know that is painful but um uh I I I I am it is a unusual set of circumstances and it is probably not healthy for the league that they isn’t this isn’t a healthy system for the league at this point every single year okay but I don’t think I don’t think tanking is healthy for the league either let’s move past that the Mavericks wake up with a whole changing situation still Kyrie is going to be out for most of next season so I don’t know how it’s going to affect next season let’s talk about the Spurs getting this number two pick if anybody is screaming real real quick one thing I will say about the Mavericks is they are also pretty well positioned to be aggressive in the trade market and Nico has made it clear he thinks he has a championship caliber roster right this and let’s go with the assumption they take Cooper Flag let’s go with the assumption that that that they make the obvious decision there they’ve got some interesting trade pieces they can trade one of their own first round picks I believe 2031 they’ve got some swaps they’ve got the Lakers 29 uh Daniel Gaffford’s going in the last year of his contract we’ve discussed him as a potential trade ship you know PJ Washington uh similar situation contractually it you know is he a guy who maybe you explore the trade value of now that you have Cooper Flag coming in presumably walking right into a a starting position uh at small forward there are a lot of interesting scenarios for the Mavericks to uh discuss and explore leading up to the draft one other thing they have uh craved Giannis for a long time they one one time had Costas on their roster is that still do you think a driving force here well it’s you know it’s interesting and Kyrie are in their 30s i heard you me I I’m not gonna say the thought didn’t cross my mind i definitely heard you mention that i will point out uh that it was the previous regime that drafted Giannis’s little brother with the last pick in the draft where they got some Slovenian dude and then uh a guy I think the other guy that got in the draft playing for the Knicks now uh yeah Luca Brunson that was a successful evening one with Luca Brunson and Anon Koopa was was their draft hall so um but that was that was the Cuban Donnie Nelson regime again I’m never going to say never because I’ I’ve learned the hard way not to assume i would be awfully surprised if uh especially because Patrick Deont has to sign off i think Patrick Deont’s got a lesson in NBA all right well we need to move on so the Spurs now if anybody’s going to be screaming scream about the Spurs three consecutive years in the top four victor Castle and now number two pick here if you’re screaming conspiracy I mean if they’re going to fix the number one pick you got to fix the conspiracy i’m just saying we don’t need to fuel conspiracy stuff i mean it’s credibility got it why are you yelling at me because I’m just making bad jokes let’s just move forward i’m just saying like you can’t I’m just making the point that you can’t move past it move past it move past you can’t just conspire for the number one pick you also must conspire for all the picks right move past it all right so the Spurs now with the number two pick giannis potentially available giannis potentially amazing fit next to Victor and Fox but you draft a 19-year-old that fits a lot closer to if you want to you keep Castle and and Victor together uh it’s an amazing situation for the Spurs they now have picks two and [Music] 14 man alive that could be a real choice my hot take would be that De’Arren Fox and Giannis would not be a great fit together and that I would could consider trading De’ar Fox personally if I was the Spurs now and I would roll forward with the super young core you’ve got you would have Dylan Harper be the long-term point guard with Victor Wman at least at least think about it i mean I I mean Dear Fox I I didn’t love the I mean we talked about the time I didn’t love the Dear Fox at the time i’m sure they’re not going to trade him but Well I’m okay with the I thought the trade I thought the trade was good value i don’t know about signing him to a max contact extension that’s what I mean that’s Yes you’re you’re trading you’re you’re picking him as one of the core guys you’re rolling with that’s what I didn’t really like and look Dylan Harper I think he’s got a chance to be a monster player i mean 66 guard can handle the ball like he’s pretty intriguing fit with Victor long term line but remember you got to sell that to number one well also if you’re ask Yeah if you’re asking about Giannis for the Mavericks which I I would be shocked by i wouldn’t be shocked if San Antonio uses this pick and a Giannis deal and then you know if you use this pick and a Yiannis deal you can probably hold on to some stuff down the road you know I’m just saying if you’ve got a if you’ve got that mix and and just the Giannis Wimi fit and knock on wood that you know that that Wimby’s fully healthy and extra ready roll but to pair Giannis with that I mean like Wimi is everything that Brook Lopez is and a whole lot more but just in terms of like the spacing monster rim protecting fit oh my goodness um the Mavericks just put out a press release the Dallas Mavericks announced today that they have moved up to the first overall pick i’m glad they I’m glad they announced that they Thank you for announcing that um this is the first time in franchise history that Dallas has moved up when in lottery position wouldn’t one argue that it was due all right um yeah they’re like “Hey we lost out on Shaq and we had to we were awful.” Like come on we we are due this one all right the big situation that happened other than the Mavericks was the 76ers going up from fifth to third and the reason was by the way the top sixers could only keep their pick when the two teams behind them jumped if they jumped up that’s right this was was the area the Thunder needed they needed I I want you to think about being in the room so I’m sure we’ll hear about this later um but the first pick is the Mavericks pick so the Mavericks win the pick in the in the drawing room okay going to be a lot of reaction there um by the way Sam Prey Thunder President is in the drawing room because it’s a 32 36% chance that he gets the seventh pick if the Mavericks move back so Prey’s has got to be like look at this little situation here i’m not sure I like Cooper Flag coming to the Western Conference but that’s interesting then they draw the second pick San Antonio Spurs not another top player in the west my god wait a minute for some period of time there the Thunder had the seventh pick because two teams jumped up until the next team right i know but there was a period of time where the where the Sixers were like “Oh my you know um I can’t remember who was uh who’s representing the Sixers but the Sixers like “Oh my god this is a catastrophe we don’t get our pick.” Preie’s like “I got the number seven pick they t I shouldn’t say what he’s saying i’m don’t know what he was thinking but I I know what I would be thinking if I were him he read the bubble over his mind while he closed they tried to these guys tried to tank all season to deny me my my lottery pick and now there Karma’s going to get uhoh bam oh my god i mean talk about a bailout a bailout for the Sixers and a jump up um and I got to What do you think they’ll do Bon Temps are they holding or trading i mean I I would assume they’re going to draft a player third but I don’t know i mean after I don’t know what the hell is going to happen for any Yeah with the big salaries they have having a rookie scale contract would be very valuable there yeah I mean it’s it’s an opportunity to have a a long-term building block for you know again you’ve got Terry Maxi and then you got a bunch of older players and now you’ve got a chance to add a potential long-term stud with it two timelines work for Golden State baby you’ve seen Kaminga lately two timelines well look I mean look I mean they could trade for Giannis too now I mean you could do you could say anything you want for what these teams are going to do at the top of the the draft with these picks i mean um you know like it it it puts a lot of things in play having that pick you know gives Daryl Murray optionality to do a lot of different stuff so I would guess the odds are they make a draft pick but but I mean they will i will say this Ace Bailey today and like look I’m not um I I this is Gavon’s game this is not mine ace Bailey who is possibly the number three pick out of Ruters was listed throughout the year on Ruter’s uh roster at 6’10 when you hear about him people talk people compare him to Tracy McGrady because he’s you know got great size people compare him to Kevin Durant he measured in today at 67 and a half at the combine in bare feet they don’t play in bare feet you play in shoes so maybe put shoes on he’d unless he’s wearing platforms he ain’t 610 so that was um that certainly drew some reaction today but um not that he’s not an elite prospect at 6 seven and a half and bare feet um uh so anyway I thought I’d point that out but um you saw Daryl Mory’s reaction when they knew they were in the top four it was incredible relief it was incredible relief i mean look they they spent months having an absolutely god-awful miserable season and this was the hope was that they could ball their way into keeping this pick and they succeeded and you know that’s where again I go back to I don’t think this system has helped tanking at all and honestly like just from a to go back to what we talked about on the pod yesterday I think this is a disaster at the top for the league because they desperately need some of these highlevel prospects to end up in the Eastern Conference well that is a great point you made yesterday and I’ll tell you something else you know you know one of the things I was thinking about that was a great point you made i thought about it a lot a lot after the pod and it’s really something I’m thinking about now and now I’m thinking about when there’s expansion because when there’s expansion Cooper flag potentially in two years could be a monster and now you’ve got potentially Dallas rising up the fight to get into the East because there’s going to have to be a team you know if indeed expansion is Vegas and Seattle there’s got to be a team go east there is going to be a brawl to see who can get out of the Western Conference among Minnesota Memphis and New Orleans it’s gonna be Minnesota i would be I would assume it’s going to be Minnesota i would we talked about this i would we talked about it in our expansion piece it’s by far the most logical team from a from a what does logic have to do standoint what does logic have to do with it i mean logic doesn’t have to do with a lot of things we’re talking about this podcast but I would think if you’re It’s not logical to have the Oklahoma City Thunder in the Pacific Northwest Division or whatever northwest Division i mean the I mean they should certainly abolish divisions at this point yeah I was going to say it’s not logical to have divisions just All right if if you’re uh the the I’m doing Countdown tonight in fact I got to go because I have to get ready to do the halftime show i haven’t watched a lick of this Knicks uh Celtics game the guy who was the executive analysis the executive producer of the uh of the Countdown Show a guy named Greg Condis he’s a lifelong Utah Jazz fan and he was directing the show tonight watching the lottery and crestfallen and I so I feel the Jazz’s pain through him the Jazz have like never moved up i think the one year they got Eniscanter yeah they got Eniscanter with a Nets pick from the Darren Williams trade right but um but their pick has never moved up and they go the full tank this year some of the lineups they played down the stretch were terrible and they go all the way back from one to five um you know Dwayne Wade who’s a part part owner of the Jazz he has a fractional ownership he tweeted afterwards you can get great players at number five because he was drafted number five but and you can like you don’t have to necessarily get the number one pick but look I we’ve seen several years now of teams in the middle to back end of the lottery odds leaping up to get these generational potential players i mean I think the one exception to that ironically was the Spurs when they I think had the worst odds or the best the worst record and got the number one pick and got Victor Winamo but it’s hard to sit here and look at this and feel like it’s a win for the NBA to have two teams with a lot of talent on them lined up with these two players and have them lined up in the Western Conference it just it it’s incredible theater and storylines for the league from that standpoint but from an onc court product standpoint it’s hard to feel good about it i’m I’m just concerned what uh jersey number Cooper Flag will get when he comes to Dallas had number two at Duke number two used to be Kyrie Irvings in Dallas now it’s Derek Lively’s kyrie went back to 11 i don’t know i mean what what’s group flag someone someone didn’t remind me that 77’s now available i I promise you that will not be He’s probably got the ability to get two if he wants to hey Rolando Blackman who was the Maverick’s representative uh tonight on the on the stage at the lottery he wore 22 it’s up in the rafters maybe maybe as a tribute to Ro Jackson has the information right here that flag Oh he wore 32 in high school okay okay is 32 available uh believe so used to be OJ 32 retired to Duke that late summer number yeah that’s right that’s a great pull i would not have thought about that but I think that is right yeah so checking checking that quick right now well let’s see 31 is is Okay okay yeah no 32 is 32 is retired at Duke so yeah maybe he will be maybe he will be 32 32 is available okay that Okay that might be problem solved well if that’s indeed his jersey it’ll be printed up by the end of the week available in Dallas they can’t print it up by the end of the week they’ve got to draft the guy first yeah i don’t think they’re allowed to do it until June i understand i’m I’m making a joke uh all right um well I still can’t believe that happened i really can’t that was absolutely incredible i mentioned I mentioned it i mentioned it on the uh on NBA today i was going over some crazy scenarios that could happen i just sort of mentioned it in passing like oh my gosh wouldn’t it be amazing if they got the 11th pick and they opened up the envelope it’s not But it’s not even that it’s just Dallas it was Dallas jumping up and the Spurs jumping up and the Sixers jumping up all of them it was honestly crazy it was three of the four teams in the lottery that had the best chance to do playoff damage if things break right next season the other one obviously would be the Rockets yeah the Rockets unlucky got past rockets are the one Texas team that can’t jump up in this lottery i know the Rockets went backwards uh two spots from 9th to 11th so son’s son Sun’s son Sun’s laughing Adam i don’t think that’s the case but yes um All right well uh until we meet again um we’ll talk to you on the Hoop Collective thank you Fontemps thank you to Jackson for scrambling quickly thank you to McMahon get on that flight to Oklahoma City it’s going to be a long one and uh we’ll talk to you on Hoop Collective later this week adios amigos

Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN’s Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to talk a historic NBA Draft Lottery including the Mavs climbing all the way up to the top pick, the 76ers lucky jump and the Spurs rising again. Plus, with the flattened lottery odds what are teams like the Jazz & Wizards supposed to do? All that and more!

0:00 Intro
0:22 Reacting To Wild NBA Draft Lottery
5:46 Mavs’ Historic & Shocking Jump Up
13:24 Spurs Climb Up To Lottery Again
16:42 76ers Luck Out & Keep Pick
20:59 More Reaction

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