BREAKING: Dallas Mavericks WIN THE LOTTERY! | DLLS Mavs Podcast

BREAKING: Dallas Mavericks WIN THE LOTTERY! | DLLS Mavs Podcast

where will your Dallas Mavericks end up in the 2025 NBA draft ladder we will find out in a matter of moments and react right along with you coming up next on the DLS Mavs [Music] podcast [Music] [Music] Yeah wow [Music] Hey what’s up DLSS Mavs Nation it’s your man Kevin Gray alongside Mavericks beat writer Tim Ko Mavericks analyst Bobby Carell and our national NBA insider Mark Stein We of course are DLLS Mavs appreciate you joining us here on our NBA draft lottery watch along special as the Dallas Mavericks will find out in a matter of moments where they will be picking in the 2025 NBA draft We will be with you over the course of the next hour Appreciate you joining us here on DLLS Sports on this marvelous Monday gentlemen where the fates of the Dallas Mavericks draft pick will be decided here in a matter of moments in Chicago Illinois as the newest members of the NBA draft class We’ll find out potentially at least one for sure where they’ll be going in this year’s NBA draft Tim Ko what’s going on it’s going well I can’t wait for this show to start in five minutes Uh Mark Stein real quick before the show starts can you tell us who wins the lottery i I don’t know I don’t I I don’t know why you think I know You’re a national time you guys have asked me in the 30 minutes I’ve been sitting in this chair I’ve even been I’ve even been to one of these I’ve even been to one of these in the drawing room And you really What was the last draft flatter you went to i went I went in 2023 Okay So the the Wembi lottery I was you know you you you have to show up on time You can’t be late or you get locked out of the room You they take all your I know I have two phones They took them both Yeah Threw them in the in the big envelope That was your perfect opportunity to tell them I’m a one phone guy Somehow they just know man It’s the NBA They know Bobby Carella what’s going on man happy draft lottery night to you Uh I feel really prepared I’m up to speed with all the rules of ping pong I know like the what’s a fault and how to serve and everything So I’m I’m I’m pretty pretty ready to rock and roll Oh he knows how to serve baby Oh that’s right You will find out tonight Share and everything He’s giving number one Well not that fresh Oh I saw some photos in our group chat over the weekend I thought they were more current What do you mean that must be the group chat that I’m not part of Oh yeah There’s too many group chat Everything is a group chat Everything is a group chat different apps to keep up with each other I’m finding out a lot in this first few minutes of this show Let us know how you’re feeling about the NBA draft lottery tonight in our chat as well I already see some of you in there I see you Catman I see you Cam I see you Tim See you Chris in there as well Let us know where your feelings are tonight as we move closer to the NBA draft ladder Let’s set up tonight for you here as as far as the NBA draft ladder is concerned In Chicago Illinois the Dallas Mavericks currently hold the 11th pick going into the draft lottery We will find out if they stay there Their odds of keeping the number one or excuse me the number 11 I don’t know 40 and slip there The number 11 pick are 77.6% in terms of keeping that draft Of course we know historically in the 45ear history of the Dallas Mavericks they have never moved up in the NBA draft Could that potentially change tonight where presumably whoever wins the number one overall pick will be taking Duke sensation Cooper flag as the team wins the lottery be capturing the flag But for the Dallas Mavericks there are plenty of entries Maybe well maybe presumably the presumptive number one overall pick uh is Cooper Flag I think the number one pick will be used on Cooper Flag Question is would the team capturing the number one pick be capturing the flag yes they’re not going to trade Cooper flag I’m just I’m just keeping open possibilities Not only does he know the order of the lottery but he knows the order of the whole draft That’s right Mark Who’s winning the title next year i don’t know who’s winning the title this year There’s no there’s not even there’s not even a road teams are 10 and four in the second round of these playoffs There there there is no favorite But as Kevin point the M this is the Mavs have been to the this is the 17th trip to the lottery for the Dallas Mavericks Nine previous times they stayed right where they were projected to be Seven of the previous 16 trips they tumbled lower than they were supposed to be So is this the day is this the day Bobby Carll illustrator that the Matt they’re going there i’m feeling great I don’t know you’re point I didn’t know what you’re pointing to in my No I just had a vision Is the DLS QR code on the screen or like I just I just had a vision almost like a prophecy I see 12th Oh wow So you see them moving down Wow Okay Um by the way he jumps up Yes I don’t know I I haven’t gotten that far yet We’ll let you figure that out Uh there is some also other intrigue as well as as far as the Maverick outside of the Mavericks as far as a number 11 pick is concerned if they do stay there or move up uh other teams the Jazz the Hornets and the Wizards have the best odds of getting the number one overall pick this year Uh if you’re the Philadelphia 76ers you are praying that your pick somehow gets into the top six because if it doesn’t that pick will go to the Oklahoma City Thunder The Rockets already own the Suns pick going into tonight So the Suns can’t even dream Mark Stein of Cooper Flag potentially becoming part of their roster So it’ll be interesting to see where the Rockets go uh as far as the NBA draft lottery is concerned outside of the Mavericks gentlemen is there anything else that intrigues you about what could potentially happen uh in tonight’s well I don’t I don’t want to can I can I set the stage with with like just the the absolute biggest story that that here in 11 minutes uh is going to be dashed and 1.7 is going to turn out to be 1.7 But it is really funny to imagine Dallas the number one pick Is that’s pretty funny to me By the way the Mavs are at a robust 1.8 or 1.8 1.7 is Portland You slided them.1% I slid them 0.1 1.8 Uh team minutes left to imagine the idea And I just want to I I want to play a little game theory If Dallas got the number one pick I think it might be the first time in NBA history where the general managers the general manager of that team the chances they’re not employed actually goes up slightly Uh basically and again we’re just playing some hypotheticals We’re playing some game theory Um Dallas doesn’t really have an offramp Like I like every we’ve talked a lot about the fact that all signs all likelihood especially now point to Nico Harrison’s uh you know staying with Dallas that Patrick Deont is going to stick with him And that’s our understanding That’s that’s especially our understanding at this point Uh a big reason why is that there’s no off-ramp for Dallas There’s no way There’s almost no way that they could get rid of all their players fast enough and effectively enough to be bad enough to get a top pick next year and to have also enough draft picks to go into a rebuilding phase Uh that you know would need more than a year to accomplish and past uh you know next season they’ve only got one season left uh you know where they have total control of their draft pick Cooper flag would change that Cooper change flag would change that significantly and all of a sudden you’re Patrick Dumont who is dead set on at least letting this run out You would have to at least look at that and think what if what if this was the team’s chance to rebuild around a star a superstar that’s ready to go um you know based off our reporting others reporting there’s at least some understanding that Patrick Dean is looking at the situation and you know just just man just doesn’t love exactly how everything has gone Is a little bit more invested in in trying to at least keep an eye on things We don’t know exactly We don’t know perfectly but it it’s at least an offramp Now you’re Nico Harrison Don’t you think you if you have any sense that that’s going to be the case don’t you think that he might know that don’t you think that if you’re Nico Harrison in the scenario where Dallas Winston won’t pick and there’s any inkling at all that Patrick Deont would at least think about the team’s future wouldn’t you Nico Harrison be thinking right away about how could you trade that number one pick how how could how could a a a trade be orchestrated where Patrick Deont looks at it and he’s like “Oh you’re going to go get Kevin Durant and the team otherwise remains the same or you’re going to go get Giannis somehow and you’re going to add it Oh I’m back in just some game theory Just some just some Game of Thrones stuff that again now here in about 8 minutes 7 minutes is going to be dashed to pieces Dallas is not going to win the first overall pick Uh the scenarios where you know all the scenarios are are you know it’s slim scenarios that Dallas wouldn’t just draft Cooper It’s slim scenarios much slimmer scenarios that uh you know Dallas would even get the pick Slim scenarios that Patrick Deman at this point is is interested in making any sort of change to the front office But man it’s kind of fun to think about Well let’s take our first break here on the DLLS Maz podcast We can They’re not They’re not doing it for They’re going to commercial Seven minutes Yeah Yeah Yeah But the They just said the reveal is 7 minutes They got like a countdown I don’t trust it Let’s do it now Well then then we’re going to have to go I I We should wait We can wait Yeah we should wait This is kind of like a watch We are not going to break We are not going to break Normally they don’t have a countdown timer which actually makes this really nice So yeah but what if the countdown’s for the number one pick it’s not You don’t know that yeah I do So we’ll stay here for just big ESPN producer man over here Uh we’ll stay here for a couple minutes as the uh participants are taking their seats as far as their team representatives are concerned for the Dallas Mavericks Rolando Blackman uh is taking the stage for the Dallas Mavericks tonight Assistant GM Matt Ricardi is off stage and was in the room uh as the pingpong balls were being tossed about to determine where the NBA draft lottery picks will be Uh Bobby your thoughts uh as we are just minutes away from the reveal of the NBA draft lottery uh I mean it’s big obviously you know if they if the Mavs win the lottery or if they move up to two then it’s a pretty easy choice If they move up at all then they have a lot more to play with than you know you would expect Um there’s obviously Cooper Flag is going number one Dylan Harper’s going number two There’s a little bit of debate conversation around who could go three or four And normally um if you have five candidates to be picked third then you really have no candidates to be picked third and that pick all of a sudden isn’t as valuable as it might otherwise could be in a year where the the draft is deeper or more topheavy at least If the Mavs stay at 11 or move down to 12 or god forbid even like 13 or 14 or whatever um that pick is not super valuable to be traded And so I I would say if they stay at 11 unless you know that you’re dealing Daniel Gaffford in the 11th pick for a vet or something you’re probably sticking around and picking a guy Um if they move up but not to one or two I think that’s where it gets like all right they’re they’re they’re going to try and do something I was going to actually say this as well I agree with you I do think the pick is likelier to be traded if Dallas moves up and and agree I fully agree I think it’s much likelier if they move up to two to three four really three or four than um than if they just stay or or fall down to 12 I think if it’s 11th or 12th I feel as confident as you can be Not not not sourced or reported but like I feel pretty confident saying that I I think they’re going to use that pick Uh if it moves that’s where we get into a world where anything is possible Let’s get to a couple super chats here on the DLS mass podcast Uh Corbin with the $5 super chat Uh feels great instead of the mass competing in a wide open west and east Apparently we are desperately hoping at a tiny chance of moving up There’s always a chance That is the reality of where we are right now It’s a very small chance Matthew Hooks with the $2 super chat Until Nico is fired this team has no hope at all Matthew Hooks will you feel the same way if they win the number one overall pick tonight i’m just curious I think it’s a fair question Um cuz I think the thing that just always still jumps off the page for me is that the teams that have a 14% shot at Cooper flag it’s on the screen right now Jazz Wizards Hornets that means you have an 86% chance of not getting Cooper flag I mean it just the flattened odds have really I mean anything is possible We only have as you said only a few more minutes to actually say that but like as as bleak as 1.8% sounds like it’s it’s not that far away from 14% No One of these years the Mavs are going to move up Here’s the and this is honestly what I’m super like my foremost curiosity tonight This is not beyond what’s going on with the Mavs And there is the legend Rob Look at the ledge Ro Black We got to go to break We got to go to break Let’s take our break Go to break real quick Uh when we come back the NBA draft ladder will be revealed right here on the DLS Mavs podcast Opinions and ping pong balls are like butt cracks Everyone’s got one and your butt crack probably stinks It’s hot outside Here’s the solution Mando Mando starter pack is perfect for new customers It comes with a solid stick deodorant Creb tube deodorant and two free products of your choice like mini body wash or deodorant wipes and free shipping This is good for your entire 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right now to begin the reveal of the really weird zoom in Oh okay That’s why All right here we go If the Mavs aren’t fourth something really good has happened Don’t spoil it in the chat Don’t spoil it in the chat The Spurs are will be making the 14th overall pick That’s the one from Atlanta I believe So that’s the one from Atlanta where it’s supposed to be All right That’s where it’s supposed to be That’s where it’s supposed to be Sacramento wins and it transfers to Atlanta So right now we’re at 12 Number 12 That’s where it should be Stay where they are Lavs did not move down This is the moment All right That’s huge Have not been laugh They did it The Portland Trailblazer number seven Oh my god Rolando Blackman you legend Which means the Dallas Mavericks have moved up for the very first time Let’s go First time ever in franchise history Let’s go The Houston Rockets are at number 10 Let’s go We’re in the top nine Folks we’ve earned this The Toronto Raptors are holding the number nine pick in the NBA draft They definitely Oh the Spurs get to the Spurs moved up again You’ve got to be Yeah they did Oh my gosh So we are to the top right now I’m actually even more mad now than I was before I knew the Mavs moved up cuz I see the Spurs did too Dallas Dallas and Oh my gosh The Brooklyn Nets are at number eight So we are now to the top So two teams rose up Yeah that’s that’s where we are Oh the Pelicans move way down The Pelicans at number seven I think the Pelicans were like four weren’t they or something So I think I think another team has moved up it looks like So Philly is going to keep their pick The Wizards The Wizards Philly moved up All City Oh my gosh All City to the top baby To the moon What is going on here jared McCain is very happy So the Mavericks have climbed into So Charlotte or Charlotte or Utah charlotte or Utah So you uh so Charlotte So the god four with Charlotte and who else charlotte Philadelphia and San Antonio and Dallas are your wins the lottery I’m retiring from the NBA So the Mavericks for the first time in NBA history have moved up in the NBA draft and they are in the top four along with the San Antonio Spurs Cooper flag just mouth defense wins championships He knows Oh my gosh He’s not he’s not a Nike athlete though It is Charlotte It is Charlotte and San Antonio Charlotte San Antonio Dallas and Philadelphia If if I’m swear to God dudes if San Antonio wins the lottery then the NBA needs to just disappear So let’s reset So for the very first time in the 45 year history of the Dallas Mavericks they have moved up in the NBA draft And not only have they moved up gentlemen they will be making a pick in the top four of the 2025 NBA draft Tanner I’ll I’ll change the headline and stuff Do you have it open sorry There’s All right I’m And I’m gonna change it after it happens so don’t worry Three Three of the four teams fell out That’s a incred I Oh my god Three Three bad teams or like three not as bad teams like completely uh the the power dynamics of the NBA are not uh dramatically changing Mark sign real quick your reaction to obviously we’ve something we’ve never seen before Stunned Stunned I would have been with Carllustrator and said 12 was more likely than a move into the top I statistically speaking more Unbelievable Uh I I’ve missed a lot of overheats in my day though All right I know 10% is way more than 10% Tanner is about to lose his mind Tanner just someone someone is going to spoil it So for your own sanity don’t read the chat Don’t read the chat I saw you react I was like “All right it’s it was something good.” No no you’re good You’re good Don’t spoil it for Tanner everybody Don’t spoil it for Tanner So again the Dallas Mavericks are in the top four Get that thumbnail right along with San Antonio along with the Philadelphia 76ers and the Charlotte Hornets So the Mavericks are guaranteed to draft in the top four this year The question is now where um one of the things coming into Don’t tell me the Spurs are going to win this game No no it would be complete nonsense It would be complete nonsense Do you think the ping pong balls care about nonsense do you think that it’s actually if the Spurs win do you really think it’s ping pong balls yes I’m I Well first of all if the Spurs win the draft if the Spurs win the draft Yeah Philly wins it’s complete Yeah cuz Embiid Paul George Maxi No way dude It But also what have Charlotte done to deserve it so Utah fell to fifth as low as they could go Yes Yes The only just outcome is Cooper flag to Dallas That’s the only I actually% agree with that Out of out of these four options Unbelievable I can’t believe we’re here Charlotte is a miserable team The Spurs have Come on So remember the Mavericks came into tonight with a 1.8% 8% chance of going from number 11 to number one We are now firmly in that territory Um with the Mavericks potentially getting the number one overall pick By the way if the bring number one if the Spurs win the number one overall pick congratulations Jiannis attend Kmpo You are a San Antonio Spur Uh congratulations You know if if the Hornets win congrats Giannis You are a Hornet Don’t spoil it in the I’m just kidding I’m just kidding Don’t spoil it in the chat Don’t spoil it in the chat I’m not even I’m not Oh my god I just said the S Make it explicit All right we’re back All right we are back We will be having the top four revealed of the NBA draft Like he has to see this Oh So again for those don’t show us the frozen envelope We already know it’s rigged For those who have just joined us the Dallas Mavericks are in the top four of the NBA draft alongside the Philadelphia 76ers the Charlotte Hornets um and also uh the San Antonio Spurs The San Antonio Spurs are looking to win the NBA draft lottery for what will be the second time in a three-year span The Dallas Mavericks looking to win the NBA draft lottery um outright This will be the very first time um they would win the NBA draft lottery in this form The pick number one 44 long years ago Didn’t Utah win seven 17 games jaylen Brun is that is that the is that the potential number one pick where would he go in a 2018 reddraft next segment Top five Uh come on Uh Ernston Young Always been a big fan of Ernston Young Everyone knows me knows that So here we go Let your conspir those three guys that don’t deserve it Wow Wow What Elton Brand deserve to get that for that’s a M legend Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Do you think two of three people two of three people Charlotte Okay That’s better That’s better Philadelphia San Antonio and the Dallas Mavericks are your top four teams The order is now to be decided Here we go Tatum what you got for me buddy commissioner Mark Tatum what do you got for me hornets Oh my gosh they’ll be picking at number four It’s going to be Dallas Let’s go Philadelphia does not deserve this I’m going on record Sixers are number three Number two the second pick Oh my god That’s unreal They did it That’s unreal They did it That is so unreal Oh my god It’s unreal Oh my god We did it Mavericks Oh my god One point Cooper Mavericks have won the NBA’s draft lottery Get ready to learn what a burger buddy Oh my gosh Cooper flag Oh my god Blackman I owe my life to you Ro Blackman The Dallas Mavericks have won the NBA draft lottery Oh my god The 2025 because they won the tiebreaker with Chicago The fourth gun The fourth lowest odds in NBA draft lottery history Oh my god The Dallas Mavericks have won the 2025 NBA draft Unbelievable Oh Oh my gosh Oh my god dude I can’t believe it Oh yeah I got that right now I got that right now Oh are you doing it gosh So So Dallas never moved up in franchise history Not that that matters Not that that matters Uh Dallas is in a very weird situation where their GM is not at the draft lottery Like like the only GM I that I have not seen on the screen because of where the franchise this go I cannot express to you how many possibilities just open because of this Like how many ridiculous impossible inconceivable situations just open for Dallas Um they don’t even need Cooper Flag in the team that they’ve built He’s the best player He is the player that they should pick Should they rebuild and uh you know trade everybody rebuild around Cooper completely change the franchise should they start talking to the Spurs who desperately want Cooper flag and figure out a way to trade down get some ass i honestly if I’m going to call my shot right now we got a long time to talk about Yeah we got a long time I know we do We knew we people want their reactions now I Well I mean I mean like in the next 3 minutes like dude let’s let’s reset Let’s reset here Cooper flag is a math dude So the Dallas Mavericks for the first time in their 45 year history they have won the NBA draft lottery outright and they have the chance now to select Cooper flag out of Duke Um the Dallas Mavericks had a 1.8% 8% chance of winning the number one spot in the draft lottery That is the fourth lowest in NBA draft lottery history Oh my god And they did it And they did it Uh Rolando Blackman the representative for the Dallas Mavericks accepting the card from Deputy Commissioner Mart They beat San Antonio Real quick before we go to break Mark Stein your reaction Obviously you’ve covered this team for a long time and you’ve seen a lot of games draft lottery uh after what has been an unbelievable season in so many different ways uh to culminate now with the number one pick in the 2025 NBA draft Uh your reaction before we go to break here I’m really just happy for Mavericks fans because they have been through a lot Uh the last three months have been torturous for Mavs fans and like Look everyone is gonna say rigged This is a fix We got plenty of that in the chat Plenty of that already Like I I just I I I never thought they were going to win the lottery Again 1.8% chance Unbelievable Unbelievable Oh my god Uh for all those Nico folks who felt like Nico Harrison apparently has been vindicated by the fact No we still hate you buddy No I’m not talking about I’m not talking about you I’ll just say there are there will be plenty of folks tomorrow who will feel like Nico Harrison has been vindicated No that’s not going to happen I’m not talking about you I’m not talking about you but there are plenty uh that may feel that way But at least for one night Mavericks fans can absolutely celebrate uh from the abyss that was trading its franchise superstar I still don’t believe it Like I did this really happen The number one pick in the draft The Mavericks now own the number one pick in the 2025 NBA draft The presumptive number one pick of course is Cooper Flag out of Duke Uh Dylan Harper out of Ruckers in play as well Or will the Mavericks potentially trade it there is so much to react to uh over the next half hour here on the DLS podcast Tim Ko stop tweeting Uh they just they just did it I gota they did it All right let let’s talk let’s talk about we’re going to take a break here Uh let us take a very quick break Well two minute break Yeah don’t go anywhere We’re going to go right by Um and don’t worry we’re going past seven people So don’t worry During this break I’m going to go upstairs and get a beer Um so let’s do that Tanner let’s take our f next break here on the DLS Mavs podcast When we come back the Dallas freaking Mavericks have won the NBA draft lottery We will react coming up next here on the DLLS MAS podcast Unbelievable Oh boy Uh let me talk to you about well though When it comes to paying your property taxes well wants to make it easy on you especially at this time of the year when property taxes are due Ownwell believes that when it comes to paying property tax you should only pay what’s fair In fact putting property tax money back in your pocket in just minutes Ownwell handles everything from start to finish to deliver top results No upfront cost and you only pay if you save In fact 86% of Own Well’s customers receive a reduction with an average 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all the way up to number one And they did it as they will now have the right to choose Cooper Flag with the number one overall pick And after what has been a stunning stunning turn of events uh as Tim Ko started to allude to before we went to break there are a number an infinite number of alternative universes now that are presented to the Dallas Mavericks with now President GM Nico Harrison and owner Patrick Dumont with a real decision to make when it comes to now owning the number one overall There is no decision Well there is no decision You got to do you got to take him you I I agree I agree You take Cooper Flag with the number one overall pick The question is what timelines now because again there’s so much to get into Uh there are alternate timelines now You’ve got a 33y old in terms of Kyrie Irving coming off of a torn ACL You’ve got a a 32-year-old and Anthony Davis uh who missed six weeks with an adductor strain was able to come back Obviously you have a 35-year-old Klay Thompson uh going into yet another his second season uh with the Dallas Mavericks as well There are a number of possibilities now Tim Ko to start off with I mean infinite infinite possibilities Uh Cooper Flag is amazing He is the you know one of the best one of the best draft prospects we’ve seen in a long time Uh he’s not a shot creator If you think about what he does so well it’s really a combination of PJ Washington and Anthony Davis Um you know he he takes a lot of what Anthony Davis does really well He takes a lot of what uh PJ Washington does really well Dallas has players at both positions Um if they draft if you put Cooper Flags flag on the roster that exists right now I promise you he will be awesome They will make it work Everything will be okay But it’s not like the ideal fit And once again if that happens Dallas is still missing Gary Irvy for half the season It’s a really weird situation to be in where absolutely the best thing you can do as a franchise is just to go draft a guy who fits who’s the best player in the draft Let me make it very clear that is the right option It’s the best scenario but there are so many outcomes that are stemming from this You still have to find a way to make sure you get a somebody to make up for Kyrie Irving who’s gonna be missing half the season this You know one thing Cooper Flag is not and certainly will not be as a rookie is a primary shot creator He’s not quite there yet That is going to take some time There’s questions about whether he’s ever going to be a number one option He’s the best player in the draft one of the best players we’ve seen in a minute I’m just trying to imagine him and his fit on Dallas which has a timeline that they enforced themselves Nico Harrison by trading away the 25-year-old and building around two 30-year-olds they have to win now Now Cooper Fly gives you a very long runway that when those players start to age out you at least have somebody you can start to build around but you don’t have the picks You don’t traditionally have that runway you’re not going to be bad next season Cooper Flag is going to make sure that you’re in the playoffs Um even if there’s still a lot to do around the edges a lot to do around the margins There’s a scenario where San Antonio who desperately wants uh Cooper Flag desperately would have loved to win the number one overall pick where you start talking to them What if you traded down one you got the other player in the draft who is in his own tier not in Cooper’s tier but he’s a tier below That’s Dylan Harper Is there a scenario there where you talk to San Antonio and you get quite a bit back from them you start to build back In fact San Antonio they have one of your draft picks They have one of your pick swaps in 2030 Do you talk to them you maybe get that pick swap back All of a sudden 2027 to 2030 which looked real bad still looks really bad Even if Cooper Flag comes to Dallas does not look as bad You talk about maybe we get that pick swap back Maybe we move down Dylan Harper all of a sudden is a Maverick Um and Dylan Harper a lead guard a lead creator uh joining a team that doesn’t just need to make up for Kyrie Irving’s absence really kind of needs another lead creator as well We’ve seen every team in the postseason has multiple you know high high level allstar or near all-star creators Pretty much every one of them has a player like that Does that make the team more appealing is that the route to go jiannis on de Kmpo The rumor mill the fires are burning uh in some way in a in a very unclear way but it sure does seem like we’re headed towards Aana summer Is that in play do you do you have enough that’s really the question I don’t know the number one pick Cooper Flag There may be teams that match or beat your offer to go trade for Giannis So that may be a non-starter but if you’re Dallas if you’ve committed to a core around 30 year olds 30 31y old Giannis you have to think about how could you not think about that how is that not in play how is that not a scenario that comes up if you’re Patrick Dumont who is committed to a future committed to running out these next few years with Nico Harrison in charge with Nico Harrison’s vision which we’ve talked a lot about a lot on this show We’ve talked about how in some ways the vision is the only path forward because you can’t get rid of you can’t trade away everybody You can’t completely remake the roster You can’t get bad enough quick enough to have a pick next season that you could rebuild with All of a sudden Cooper flag is there All you have to do is do nothing Move on from the general manager who your entire fan base is in revolt against You get a clean start and you also have Cooper flag which finally gives you a realistic path at rebuilding a actual possible future I like there are more pathways than this The easiest one the to me the smartest one in a lot of ways but even then there’s pathways surrounding it It’s just to take Cooper flag He’s the best player in the draft He’s one of the best prospects we’ve seen in quite a while I’m just telling you there are so many options There are so many paths There are so many different things different uh you know people who matter You know people who have opinions and who have ideas about how this is all going to go There are so many things that just changed dramatically based off 1.8 1.8 100% now like this is this is I’m I’m still trying to wrap my mind around everything that is like just how much just changes everything Yeah No it’s uh a number of possibilities have been opened up Uh before we take our next break in let’s uh bring in a special guest who’s joining us live right now here on the DLS MAS podcast part of the All City Network family with PHNX our guy Saul Saul what’s going on man what up fellas how we doing today well um better than what we thought we would be about 40 minutes ago Uh because 40 minutes ago the Mavericks had a 1.8% chance of winning the NBA draft lottery and they have now done so for the very first time in NBA history with the opportunity now uh to take Cooper Flag which is someone you have seen personally in person uh on more than one occasion So uh give us the scouting report if you will on Cooper Flag a little bit I am here to just trash Tim Ko’s dreams Uh wow Uh I know you you’re you’re of the mindset that he’s you know he’s going to take a little bit of time to get you know those those clutch buckets and you know be able to score at a high enough clip I’m here to tell you that’s not going to take that long Uh he is by far the best player in the draft And watching him in person uh physically ready to go He’s not going to take a lot of time to develop in terms of his physicality He’s much bigger than he looks on TV uh physically just more powerful than just about every other college player in basketball as an 18-year-old which is incredible And he’s already started to implement some of the skill sets that you need the elite footwork that you need at the next level Watching him in person uh not only is he is he a great player but he’s a he’s a great teammate and playmaker overall And I think that’s what you need when you are going to be surrounded by if you don’t move other pieces Anthony Davis and then obviously Kyrie down the road if he decides to stay and if he and if he can recover uh to the point where you guys are going to need them to So I think you guys are in great shape to be honest with you It’s not I don’t I don’t look at Cougar Flag as part of a rebuild I think day one you guys will be ready to go and compete for a championship all over again We are just stunned Saul uh in a number of ways because as we detailed in Chronicle coming into it um the likelihood of this happening was obviously slim to none But as the pick started to go on um the realization that this could be happening became more and more real especially once we got uh into the top four and now here we are Um just another layer Uh who how did you react obviously as you were watching this unfortunately with the situation that Phoenix finds themselves in they were watching uh Hakee Luan up there representing the Rockets as they have their their pick But your thoughts on the overall draft lottery overall here Well listen I’m a company man Uh I’m not PHX anymore Uh I I do Arizona Wildcats basketball content and I do one show a week for the Suns right but uh listen when it came to Philly and Dallas I was like just one of you I don’t care who it is right you number one pick because we got to keep it in the family And so it is gonna stay in the family and this is tremendous I mean listen you guys first of all thank you Phoenix because we took DeAndre Aiden instead of Luca Donuch in the first place You guys got Luca and then has ever a franchise stumbled forward and found the lucky golden ticket all over again in a different candy bar I I just I’m I’m beside myself right now I can’t believe that that just happened You guys just let Luca go and you just got the best player of the draft and and a generational talent Uh no one on this set let Luca go Let’s be clear Yeah that is right It’s very true That’s very true True This is true This is true And when I say you guys I mean the Mavs Listen I I will say this in watching you got your guys’ show and watching the reaction obviously of the fan base Uh I there’s a part of me that was like man that is just that is just a terrible terrible scenario to be in And as a fan I would be distraught just like you guys were And so there’s a part of this that’s a little bit of you know hey this is good karma coming back Uh because you guys deserved it Now how long you guys hold on to that number one pick i know you guys don’t feel 100% confident that you guys will make it to the draft and keep on that pick uh just because of what just transpired a couple months ago but I’m really excited uh to see Cooper flag in in hopefully a Dallas Mavericks jersey just because he is a talent unlike any other I I when I you when you look at LeBron and his skill sets and where he started off like Cooper Flag is not far off from where LeBron was in terms of skill sets in terms of overall ability to facilitate to handle the ball get to the bucket shoot from the outside defensively Very impressive defensively Like he has all the tools you could ever want to become an elite superstar in the NBA And like I said I don’t think it’s going to take him very long Oh yeah And and look I think overwhelmingly the likeliest thing to happen the overwhelmingly uh overwhelmingly likeliest thing to happen Dallas is going to take Cooper flag I I do wonder if PJ Washington all of a sudden someone who uh was not exactly available going into the summer I I wouldn’t say based off what the team was was looking to build how they expected you know this vision to to play out That’s a player that now becomes a little bit more redundant a little bit more difficult just to find minutes for unless on the flip side you’re going away from always playing Anthony Davis uh you know at the four at least in the regular season There are so many pathways spinning out of this Uh but what you said is correct Cooper Flag is ready now He is awesome now He will fit into any situation any team He is you know just a a monster defender already Uh if you know if you want to talk about defense wins championships Cooper Flag plays the type of defense that wins championships there is no doubt about that Um and and there’s no doubt about his offensive skill set You know there’s doubts about what the ceiling is to that But nobody is worried about Cooper Flag the offensive player The only worry and again it’s not a worry There’s only questions that exist is is he a number one option or not you know but that’s that’s a good situation to be in when it comes to you know a number one pick you’re drafting uh you know best prospect in a draft He’s going to be one of the best defenders in the NBA and he’s going to be he might be one of the best offensive players in the NBA And if not he’s still going to be pretty damn good Uh he instantly makes Dallas better There’s no question about that I still you know as interesting as all these other options are I I think that’s the you know I don’t think anybody is saying I’m not saying that the likeliest outcome isn’t just that Dallas takes the best player in the draft Unless Unless it’s for Giannis there’s no discussion because the thing that you moved off of Luca for allegedly was because of his work ethic being out of shape you know his drive Like where was that all going right that was these were the question marks that were laid out by Nico Harrison moving on from Luca right cooper Flag is as far to the other extreme as you could possibly want to go a guy that is absolutely competitive to to no end He wants to put in the work and will put in the work and has put in the work Uh like he is he is determined to be one of the greats of all time Like so for the reasons why you would move on from Luca these are the reasons why you don’t trade Cooper Flag because of the all those things that you lined up And yeah maybe he’s not an elite scorer yet but I have no doubt that Cooper Flag will be that that individual that will put in every last second of work in the gym to try and make sure that he is as elite as he could possibly get Uh he very much is that kind of ilk And again if you’re if you’re a GM if you’re a team and you’re going through this interview process in the combine when you talking to college players you know over the course of the last 10 years like I have very rarely do you see and feel the competitiveness from these young athletes to the level of a Cooper flag uh that I have Like it just it’s just different Uh a lot of guys will say they’re competitive but like you see it on the court and you’re like “Okay it doesn’t really line up as much.” With Cooper Flag there is no doubt he wants to destroy everybody in his path And I think that’s a terrific you know asset to have Saul we appreciate the time and the perspective man for hopping on with us here on the DLS Mass podcast And uh we appreciate you man We’ll talk to you soon Anytime fellas Congrats Thank you Be good Be good Let’s take our next break here on the DLSM podcast When we come back more reaction as the Dallas Mavericks have won the NBA draft lottery and the right to draft Cooper flag We’ll react more coming up next on DLS Maz podcast But first the NBA draft is now officially upon us The Mavs are already on the clock Oh my god And if you want the best coverage of this entire next month that is going to be full of twists and turns I’m sure but should just be very simple The best way to do it is support what we’re doing here at DLS Sports That’s either subscribing to our channel we’re almost at 24,000 subs or becoming a diehard for even more coverage of everything going on in DFW Pros Sports You can do that by scanning the QR code clicking the link 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just over here shaking my head because um yeah that’s the word I got is just stunned Uh it’s unbelievable what the last four months have been uh on what dams have been for this franchise uh to this point where we are The NBA draft itself will be on June 25th uh this year So we are just a little over a month away from the NBA draft in and of itself Uh but my gosh uh the Mavericks have won the NBA draft lottery We’re going to get to your super chats here uh in just a second Yeah I mean I’ve I’ve I’ve tried to explain to people who are not as locked into sports Uh tried to tell my girlfriend what the past few months has been like And basically the Luca trade made Dallas the biggest sports story in this year in this in this continent in this decade Uh you know outside of European soccer this there there was there was nothing there has been nothing as significant as the confusion the understanding the reporting the fallout everything that happened with the Luca trade And this is just another like this is not even as big as that but this is another this is a this this adds another thumb tag another you know banner another enormous shocking you know storyline another twist this is part of the Luca Dona trade narrative this is part of that same story line everything that happens from this lottery night to whatever decision Dallas makes Dallas ownership makes whatever goes into their future This is an extension This is a continuation of the biggest sports story you know in in recent memory And I don’t know where it goes from now but it’s unbelievable that it won’t die It won’t let go That this isn’t over Like it has it has a way of surprising and shocking and adding twist and turns that I certainly never expected you know okay sorry I 1.8% expected Uh but to actually be here and to actually see Dallas not just jump up into the top four which would have been surprising They never moved up ever in the draft ever Yeah And they go from never having moving up to literally hitting the biggest lottery ticket that they could ever hit ever It’s maybe maybe they they got the gambling owners and they won the odds You know the uh the the the casino’s always right Bobby I don’t know what deal with the devil uh this franchise has made but my gosh um at least for one night they have won the biggest ticket um in the lottery ever that they could possibly imagine Uh you obviously worked for the organization for a decade You have been through the highs and lows with this franchise in a number of different areas Um obviously on the outside looking in as far as being with the organization is concerned now Uh I’m very interested and curious in your thoughts on how we have gotten to this point and your just immediate reaction to how this has gone uh from where we were on February 1st to where we now are on where we were an hour ago Well I’m talking about obviously from an hour ago but I’m just talking about just the overall context of what has gone on since February 1st Yeah it’s awesome But I mean like it’s you know let’s not lose sight of a couple things One the Mavs were in the finals last year They were in the lottery this year So this this team took a enormous step backward and you know with the way the rules are in the league the way they’re set up teams that are really really bad have the best chance to get players like this Uh the Mavs had microscopic odds at getting one of these guys Dallas didn’t want to have these odds They wanted they tried to the very last game to make the playoffs They tried to make this an impossibility That was their stated goal Yeah I mean they were they were one complete no-show against the Grizzlies away from not having this chance Yeah And you know Mavs fans they finally have something to feel good about I mean this guy’s just unbelievable You know he averaged 19 points 7 and a half boards four and a half assists one and a half steals one and a half blocks 48 from the floor 38 from three 84 from the free throw line super efficient player highle competitor defensively versatile 68 69 depending on if he’s wearing shoes 200 lb built you know he’s not like a LeBron linebacker type but he’s also not a rail either And he’s only 19 He’s going to get bigger he’s going to get stronger he’s going to get better more skilled He’s explosive He’s fearless He’s a maniacal competitor He is literally like maybe a couple screws loose insane He’s yelling and competing and digging in at both ends of the floor And I mean like you know I’m not gonna say anything in defense of Nico Harrison but kind of like what Saul was alluding to before you know Nico clearly has and a lot of GMs have a vision uh for the kind of culture that they want to create right and culture in the NBA is always driven and led by your best players Now is Cooper Flag going to be the best player in the NBA one day maybe I don’t know Is he ever going to be the best player on the Mavs hopefully maybe not I don’t know but he’s going to be around here for a really long time and he’s going to be one of the main players on the Mavs a starter He’s going to be a guy that they turn to in big moments And so whenever he has that kind of attitude that no nonsense no BS play defense go hard for 40 minutes 48 minutes however long he’s out on the floor he’ll go 48 if you let him Like that kind of stuff uh is contagious you know and and that is an attitude around which the the Mavs can build a team Um I don’t know if it’s this version of the team That’s for the future And we have tomorrow and we have 2,000 more shows to talk about between now and when he his rookie contract expires Like he’s not going anywhere for a really long time But that is the kind of player that you can drop into an NBA floor today and he could play in a game today a high level game So if the Mavs want to compete for the playoffs if they want to rebuild if they want to do anything in between he fits the vision Um and and he can add to it And I think it’s just I mean he’s a he’s a very very good player Has the chance to be an incredible player Mark And like that is it’s just a a reality that we did not think was possible You’re right An hour ago Yeah I mean I am admittedly unprepared to even discuss this cuz like I I never I really didn’t think this was a chance These kinds of things don’t happen to us And even though I’ve been the one saying you know 1.8% is not that far away from 14% in the grand scheme of things And it actually that actually proved right But like I I just never envisioned this scenario and I’m just you know everyone’s going to be focused on Nico But like I’m think is Patrick Dumont the luckiest dude ever like I mean this is this is this is staggering to think that the Mavs have been handd delivered this opportunity to acquire a certifiable franchise player Better to be lucky than good Three months and change And look everyone’s going to say rigged Okay it was rigged They’re not unrigging it This is how this is This is happening You’re damn right This is Oh my gosh This is happening The fact that you said that the way that you said that on this platform is hilarious to me Oh my gosh I mean oh my gosh Like I I’ve been I I’ve been in that I’ve been in that room before If If they can rig it they are truly magicians So if you want to believe it’s rigged go for it They ain’t unrigging it Cooper flag is gonna be a Dallas Maverick I I I always said I’m a huge fan of Ernston Young All right I said that before the lottery on camera Uh quick rundown of his credentials cuz we got to hit overtime Uh he was named the ACC Rookie of the Year ACC All Defense ACC Player of the Year ACC All Freshman all ACC Naymith Award Wooden Award Consensus All-American AP Player of the Year NCAA All Region NCAA All Tournament Dude won every single award there is to win He played at Duke alongside Derek Lively Um connections abound Dude has the pedigree the will the want Not literally alongside but you know Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Same same college same coach same everything I’m sure they they have a connection I’m sure Um hell he was impressive Team USA guys uh when he was there doing he was in Team USA That’s the thing we have to talk about Yeah we got busting their ass busting scrimmages team USA Um the conversation will continue here on a on I can’t even talk Good gracious on the D I can’t talk either Like this is Yeah we’re going to talk some more in just a second This is crazy But we’re going to get to your super chat here But we want to thank all our televisions for joining us here on the DLS Mavs podcast The conversation will continue right now over on all dls.com right now back here on the DLLS Mavs podcast as the Dallas Mavericks for the first time We’re past the we’re past the fast window right uh yes we are Dline can I say it can I Can I Can I be happy now um the Mavs won the fucking lottery dude Like they they have the number one pick They They did Uh they have the number one pick They have the number one pick as the Mavericks came in tonight with a 1.8% odds of winning the number one pick God Uh they do so for the first time in their franchise’s history Cooper Flag was on hand to witness it obviously uh as he has seen what his new team will be The top four as far as the NBA draft uh is concerned The Dallas Mavericks the San Antonio Spurs the Philadelphia 76ers and the Charlotte Hornets are the top four teams in the 2025 NBA draft that will take place on June 25th uh in about a month and a half as far as a draft is concerned Anytime you can make the city of San Antonio mad jealous uh mold online breakdown Spurs fans using the word rigged to describe the lottery That’s rich Yeah your tears are delicious Oh wow Keep them coming in the last two minutes He’s He’s realizing we’re in overtime We’re in overtime Fast Channel 59 anymore We’re through the looking glass Uh let’s get to Corbin’s $2 super chat Uh M Spurs rivalry is back on too by the way Yeah give it a few weeks N what you call might be joining them as well and Yiannis but we’ll talk about that later Uh Pelinka calls Nico with a number one pick and trades it for Austin Reeves Thank you for your contribution Corbin Tanner how do we ban people henry Diesel23 with the $5 super chat Moved up for the first time in history after Luca trade Silver was cooking something The conspiracy theories will not be quenched tonight That’s for damn sure Always has been Sarah shout out to our girl Sarah Die Hard Sarah Yes with the $1.99 super chat The basketball god smiled upon us Paige Beckers and Cooper Flag Who wrote this script the basketball guys Bobby Bobby Bobby Who who knows two number one picks in a matter of weeks Weeks Good gracious man Pa this has been I mean this this season has been insane Basketball is back Insane Uh Elliot with the $4.99 super chat It might be rigged but I don’t care Welcome to Dallas Cooper flag That’s right Saul with the $1.99 super chat LFG boys FG Uh what does that stand for let’s fucking go John P MFL with a $1.99 super chat Remember one spin and I pulled the Dallas Mavericks I I mean we have to clarify here We pulled it three times No just twice Three times We’ve been doing tankathon spins at the end of every show and up until Thursday and Friday Dallas had not even moved up had not even moved up in the dozen plus spins we had done The last two spins leading up to this Dallas and then Dallas again So we’ll take credit Unbelievable Um PJ Washington tweeting out with the uh the triple bugeyed emoji uh about half an hour ago and reacts to the Cooper flag or excuse me the Mavs winning the NBA draft lottery Uh Azie D with the $1.99 super chat Adam Silver conspiracy confirmed Bobby is off the rails Who mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Mac Jones The $2 super chat Sorry I’m just fired up watching Is that us reacting to us is that us reacting oh you know cuz you got ran off the set He’s watching clips of himself on live television Take the super chat for just a sec We can come back to those Look at here Look at here man The Dallas Mavericks won the NBA draft line I want you to know after what this team and this franchise has been through for the last almost four months to trade away their 25year-old franchise superstar to missing the playoffs entirely after making the NBA finals and then walk into tonight with a 1.8% chance of winning the damn lottery It’s unbelievable It’s unfathomable and the most unlikely outcome that any of us thought coming into tonight So me running off the damn set was a literal reaction to what has been the most unbelievable most unthinkable season the most fantastical finish to what you could think of for this franchise And all we can think of is wow we went through hell and back to find them now winning the NBA draft It’s it’s it’s absurd That’s that’s the that’s the it’s absolutely absurd what has happened here over the course of the last sever and what led into the f the first hour uh before we started the show It’s it’s unbelievable It’s that’s all I can say It’s unbelievable An unbelievable stroke of fortune Like your your conspiracy theories could be fueled you know gaslight them You could do all that you want to like say hey let me I got people texting me like the NBA ain’t rigged but dog Yeah Okay Well first off if you just now think the NBA is rigged then you’re a fake fan Okay There are so many more obvious conspiracy theories than Dallas winning the lottery after the GM made one of the worst trades we’ve ever seen in human species humanity eternity Uh you’re a fake fan That’s a self-report All right Not a self Before they came back from break they literally showed David Sturd freezing David Sturd They showed David Stern freezing the envelope for his Knicks to get Patrick Evening Like come on All right I was molded in it raised by it I worked in that league for 10 years I’ve seen all the scripts All right This is the first one I didn’t see coming It’s If you Stein I’m sure if you brought this script to Hollywood they would look at you and like get the hell out of here man Like what are you thinking there’s no way that a team could do what they have done have the amount of bad PR that it’s had over the last several weeks and months and then come out on the other side oh that’s right They’re going to win the NBA draft lottery to one of the top prospects that you know we’ve seen in a in a little while Uh and actually have the chance to they would throw it out Absolutely throw it out No like I said I I’m I’m not joking you This is not something I like to admit out loud but I I wasn’t even prepared to discuss the idea of the Mavericks having the ability to draft You come with a bunch of Chase Richardson takes Like I don’t know Jagger Demon is much taller Like I just like this is this is this is insane And like again it’s going to all be it was rigged Do they now trade him for Yan trade this pick for Giannis like it’s just going to go on and on and on I’m I’m just still trying to soak in again like in the 90s this team won 11 and 13 games in back-to-back seasons and fell as far as they possibly could in the lottery when players like Shaq and Alonzo Morning were up for grabs and like to win this lottery now Yeah there is no nobody in Hollywood is taking this script Uh just for the reaction around the NBA uh as of 35 minutes ago LeBron James tweeted out uh what looks to be nine laughing emojis Future me at the reaction to the PJ plus Gaffford plus Clay for LeBron Okay so since we’re here uh we’re going to get back to your super chat here in just a moment Uh Bobby is our resident trade machine expert I don’t know anything about trade machines Yes you do Quit playing um cook up your most diabolical insane trade that you could come up with now that the Mavericks own the number one overall pick Uh I mean I I think it kind of depends because there Tim like like what Tim was saying earlier you know the Mavs still need guards They still need shot creation You know Cooper can kind of make some plays but not really like you know you’re not clearing out for him and letting them break down the defense and stuff Yeah So you know you still have to replace Kyrie’s production and all of that stuff while he’s out You already had what some thought was kind of a glut in the front court Flag is much more of a small forward than PJ Washington PJ Washington I feel like is a power forward Flag can be both He’s a wing I mean he’s kind of whatever He’s like built like Jason Tatum Tall long you know thick and strong everything Exactly like that Yeah And so you now kind of have too many wings PJ Naji Marshall Clay I mean Clay can play alongside Flag but like Naji and PJ’s minutes are all of a sudden kind of disappearing They have options They got a lot of options Got a lot of options They have options And the great thing about you know PJ expiring contract Gaffford expiring contract Naji one of the best value contracts in the league honestly from a from a non- rookie Um and you have a couple picks you have some ways to match salary Jaden Hardy and some other stuff Like you have a lot of options I mean this will probably excite people in the chat room Look all indications to and I think we have to say like we’re going to I’m certainly going to need to do some fresh reporting here and figure out this changes everything potentially you would have to say But one of the things that we’ve talked about with you know so many of our friends here in the chat who who’ve been wanting a change in the in the front office this job just got desirable again Yesterday what you would say is who would want this job if the front office was open who would want to take this thing over and but now you can’t I mean again the Mavs suddenly have tremendous optionality they did not have an hour ago And you know Mark this is something that you have consistently said every time for example KD’s name came up The Mavs don’t want to go to a threear setup because it’s very expensive Well what if your star is making like $9 million a year this is the way you want it And it’s funny Daryl Daryl my did a podcast with the guys from the rights to Ricky Sanchez just last week And in that podcast Daryl my said the number one pick in this draft might be the most valuable asset in the entire NBA A because of how good Cooper Flag projects to be but B because like you said it he’s going to be on a rookie contract for the next four years And when you are on a rookie contract it it changes everything I mean it’s like we talk about the Pacers and how good Nebard and Nmith are on their two contracts which add up to roughly 30 million a year For the next four years Cooper Flag is basically making a salary between those two guys So that’s what makes him priceless if he’s as good as everyone says and you can’t find a talent evaluator who doubts what he’s going to be able to be as an NBA player So I mean this this this literally changes it changes the complex it changes the whole complexion of where this of the purgatory that this franchise let’s not forget that this franchise put itself in Yes three months and change ago Yeah 13 13.8 million So that’s that’s cheaper than Daniel Gaffford Cooper Flag is going to be a better NBA player than Daniel Gaffford next season Cheaper than PJ It’s cheaper than PJ It is cheaper than PJ I’m not I can’t promise you Cooper Flag Defensively he will be a better player than PJ Washington next season Offensively I’m not sure We don’t know that yet We don’t know for sure Long-term no doubt in my mind But that also puts you in a very strange situation because you’re a number one pick that didn’t even want to be in the lottery and but now you won the first overall pick You have a very short timeline unless you don’t unless you’re now built who are you building around I think there’s two huge questions Who are you building around are you building around this window around Nico Harrison’s window are you building just for these next three years is that the choice um man because you can still draft Cooperines but it changes Are you doing two timelines uh are you trying to juggle everything at once it gets really hard to do two timelines Not only because of the obvious flaws with trying to do two timelines because you’re not going to have first round picks You’re not going to have an avenue to get first round picks You can even even make some moves around the edges because your roster is not complete with Cooper Flack You’re not done You still got to get those guards who can create Uh I think the other big question is can you go to Anthony Davins to tell him you’re playing center there’s no other way this team works There is no other way Now unfortunately now you can move on for Daniel Gaford You can play a little bit of PJ can come off the B You can if if your if your front court is Cooper flag Anthony Davis Derek Lively and PJ Washington and they play the bulk of the three the four and the five That should work But it’s gonna mean that Anthony Davis plays he has to play the five He plays a lot of five Still not for me either It’s not a lot of shooting It’s not a lot of shooting But that gives you a clear defined front line though Anthony Davis at the five Cooper Flag at your four You can interchange PJ Washington at three and four But it’d be better probably for him to come off the bench if he stays uh as a Dallas Maverick have him come off as your you know Yeah What what Cooper is as a as a spot-up shooter of NBA three-pointers or four Yeah I’m Well no I mean I’m I’m sorry I’m I’m saying Anthony Davis needs to be your five I would feel like in a lot But yeah I mean Anthony Davis needs to play more and more and more five Um even as his career goes on I do want to Well of course Of course But but then but then you’re in a situation where Derrick Lively is you know your best young player leading into this draft Obviously once you draft Cooper that changes There’s a lot of ways that this makes sense to like I said finally rip out all the parts move on from the front office move on from the stars Uh now crucially this does not mean this would not mean you have to move on from someone like PJ Washington who’s 26 Now you have a window where you have a couple really young players You still have next year’s draft pick Um but you keep the role players around This isn’t a full tear down You’ve got the guy in the middle You don’t need the number one pick You got the number one pick That option is very available Do they have Do they have the guts to do it what is what is Patrick Dumont thinking right now um Brad Townson Brad Townson chimed in with some initial reporting uh on what Patrick Dumont is thinking or maybe the the way he phrases this it sounds like it’s more like what uh Mark Cuban is thinking But uh Brad Townsen says “I’m told Patrick Dumont was on uh was at a track meet for one of his kids and couldn’t watch the lottery live His phone rang and it was Mark Cuban telling him the Mavs were in the top four Phone rang again and Dumont thought Cuban said Mavs got number one overall pick but Cuban was busy screaming he couldn’t make out all the words Cubin was so busy screaming he couldn’t make out all the road Dumont could not make out all the words The challenge though again they’re playing at least half the season if not more We laid all these We laid all this stuff out last week Things were getting pretty nihilistic Uh they’re without Kyrie for maybe all season And so you know but certainly most of it if not all of it And so the challenge is you know if you have AD if if you bring everybody back AD’s back Kyrie’s back Clay’s back Nico’s back Kit is back you’re still in a really weird situation fan-wise you’re in a really weird difficult situation tactics-wise because now all of a sudden you have this dude who’s the number one pick who’s going to be under pressure to perform but also team pressure to succeed fan pressure to succeed cuz you’re replacing Luca Let’s I mean Cooper Flag is a white dude Like there’s a lot of there’s a lot of stuff that is out of just you’re a good basketball player Like there’s a there’s a lot of Luca Cleer flag Dirk Like let’s not look past any of that That’s very important here Um fan expectation team expectation individual media expectation all of that stuff Uh and the future Hall of Famer that’s supposed to be serving you up looks is going to be out for most of the year And the other guy still has injury issues So there is no reason to believe just out of hand that if they bring this whole thing back that they will be a top six seed next year I agree You you still have to operate with my in my opinion you have to operate with the urgency of a team that has to improve in order to achieve your goal Yeah And your goal their goal is to win a title My goal is to make the top six and you have to do it now So you have to make some sort of move to win now If you accept that AD Kyrie and Cooper Flag and probably Clay are on the floor in a playoff game that means you have some options for who else you can trade in order to get better now And you can trade a 27 You You have a 29 you have a 31 So you have three picks that you can trade right or no just two 29 and 31 They’re on 27 Sorry my bad Uh you can swap those Yeah you can trade or the Lakers one whenever that is 29 Yeah And 31 you can trade those picks and you have some contracts that are pretty easy to match a variety of salaries I fully expect them even if they bring Nico back and bring everyone else back I expect them to make some big swings but we’ll see what exactly they are I I just want to put it out there I hope that they do not believe we’re good guys It’s all fixed Yeah No this is this fits all This is so complicated So much of this is very complicated Well because the thing is what I keep thinking about and you guys brought up the two timelines thing because on the one hand you have been given the keys to a full reset if you decide to go down that route whether it be cleaning out the front office getting in someone new to build around Cooper Flag moving forward here and if you’re wanting to move off of other players to put you in a better timeline moving forward But let’s walk down the road that we’ve been walking down since you know February 1st which is Nico Harrison believes that the window for him to win a championship is within the next two to three if you want to go even longer four years So if we’re operating under that premise does the number one pick give him that much more ammunition to decide if he wants to bring in a proven commodity that he knows can help him get that much closer to winning a championship because even with Cooper Flag being a part of this roster how quickly do you get to that stated goal of winning a championship if you’re Nico Harrison and you’re going to be out of this job maybe in the next two to three years I don’t know if Cooper Flag at this very moment gets it to his stated goal Now if you’re talking about the future that’s a longer runway that gives you the opportunity If Nico Harrison continues to run the team the way that he believes it needs to be ran given his own timeline he could this is just thinking out loud he could look at the number one pick and say “Oh that is the piece that I need to go get whatever I want to give me a championship as soon as maybe next year or the year after to be able to meet my stated goal.” That is why I think in a lot of ways this has become that much more intriguing because if you’re thinking about one timeline in terms of the future of the next 10 years you make this big recer flag and you figure out the rest as you go on If you’re Nico Harrison you’re thinking about winning a championship within the next two years he becomes a very valuable piece to potentially move to go get whatever superstar that you could particularly thinking about Giannis No for sure For sure And I think the Giannis part is interesting Uh Cooper help Cooper also helps you win now His I don’t think he gets you to a championship this year His fit next year His fit’s really interesting in Dallas specifically but Cooper helps you win now Cooper makes you a better team Cooper is that good Also uh Nico Harrison has a lot more scrutiny on him from Patrick Dumont than he did He doesn’t get a green light just to do Now I’m not saying you know if he came to Patrick man and said “Hey we’re gonna trade the number one pick for Giannis.” I don’t know And again I’m not sure Dallas would have the winning offer for Giannis They sure have a better one than they do but they’ve got they they they now have a Don’t do it Vital you know I don’t think you should do it I don’t think you should do it you’ve been given this ticket to have a tremendous player at the age of 19 now build you out a window for 10 years Like I I the more I think about it the the less likely I think Dallas could do anything but draft I think with Patrick Dumont who was very worried about the fan base at this point who was very aware of how the fan base is feeling doing anything other than draft the player that is overwhelmingly the number one pick Uh I think it would be very difficult for Patrick Deont to sign off on that based off what little admittedly I understand about what he’s feeling about this whole situation what he’s feeling about Nico Harrison but I can tell you Dr Jam is at least aware He’s very aware of how everything has been taken and then to go against the grain again to luck into 1.8 odds to get the number one overall pick and then to not take the player that every single team in the league wishes was on their team next season That would be lunacy That would just double down on everything I don’t even know if Patrick Dumont could get his wrap his head around trading it for Giannis That’s the only scenario Um yeah the more I think about this like Patrick Dumont there’s there’s no there’s no scenario where I I don’t think there’s any scenario where where Dallas does anything other than take Cooper flag number one It’s everything around the margins that is very interesting to me Everything about who will be making that pick Everything about how you are building the team in the coming years Um all of that stuff is very fascinating Um I just don’t think in the scenario that Patrick Deont finds himself in like how how could he green that how I don’t I don’t like Yeah I don’t think there’s any scenario Yeah I mean the the thing to me would be to stand in there take the pick uh with Cooper flag and then figure it out uh from there Now whether or not Nico Harrison is part of your future of figuring that out if you’re Patrick Deont that is going to be the decision that he has to make ultimately But my gosh what this fan base has been able to uh feel tonight after what the last few months have been even coming up into this draft lottery tonight is just a complete 180 um from what we thought this night could turn out to be Can I throw a couple ideas out there uh before we get to super chats I’m sorry I I just wanted to do that before we did Boston Celtics That’s all I’m gonna say Just Boston Celtics players Which one do you want yeah Which one you want oh you want to bring KP back Derek White Drew Holiday That’s all I That is the the kind of player And who else you can’t really trade for both of them No Well you can trade for one of them and they make basically the same amount of money Uh Holiday makes a couple million a few million a year more than Derek White The Celtics need to shed salary Mavs have some expirings The Celtics will need to replace them The Mavs can partially on the downfall of the Celtics and you trade for all their future picks Oh boy that’s Oh no shot No no no It would It would just be It would be like Who are you suggesting you trade to them like PJ Clay for Derek or something Okay Uh both of them make both of them have three years like hypothetical crazy No no After this year White has four years left on his deal for more than 120 million and Drew after this year has three years left on his deal for more than 100 million The Celtics are trying to reportedly trying to smooth that out a little bit The Mavs can help them there and pick up a guard Uh that’s that’s my first idea Two things Uh we’re going to get to your super chats here Number one uh Rolando Blackman forever Number one absolute goat Number two as of three minutes ago from the official Mavericks Twitter account winner winner chicken dinner Lock in for 25 26 season tickets when you join Club Maverick # MFL Uh let’s nicely done Nicely done Let’s get to Notice they didn’t say the weight list They said you we’re selling them You can have them please Uh there’s the CL there’s the link to the Mavericks.com weight list on there with a picture of the weight list Okay that’s I don’t know if I believe that That’s not what I’ve heard Uh okay Uh let’s get to we are at uh who Mac Jones Wow Mac Jones Mac Jones Uh $2 super chat The the old gods and new gods forgave Dallas LFG Man I was referencing some like Game of Thrones stuff at the beginning of this podcast which turned out to be highly relevant But the old gods and the new gods Oh my goodness I mean Mark said it earlier The fact that Paige Beckers and Cooper Flag in a matter of weeks um number one picks for the Dallas basketball teams is literally insane Uh Aussie D with the $1.99 super chat Cooper Flag you are a Dallas Maverick Better be Better be Just sim to June 24th or whatever and make the pick June 25 We’re going to be right here by be a hell of a party that day Barton the polar bear with a $2 super chat The Maz and Wings both got the first pick in the 2025 draft You’re damn right It pays usually it pays to be good Sometimes it pays to suck Uh Paige Becker is making her WNBA debut on Friday against Minnesota Links Uh what Kismmetism you know what that is no it’s like uh it’s like things work out It’s like uh what is like the it’s like things like uh it’s like it’s not it’s it’s like things have a way of working out the way that they’re supposed to and sometimes that leads to like it could feel like a coincidence or like fate or like a or like like a serendipitous ending Oh okay Okay Yeah Okay I got serendipity I got you there Um Arturus Greg with the final super chat You just surprised I didn’t know what you’re talking about Uh silver I knew what you were talking about Oh why don’t you help me out and have I wanted I was I was busy reading other things Uh silver promis autotunes me out I see Uh silver promised to Nico Trade promise Nico Trade Luca to Los Angeles and we will give you the number one pick The sacrifice paid off I guess Keep or trade the number one pick Nico is now on the clock I still wouldn’t do that trade even knowing they get the number one pick The think about it for a second I wouldn’t Uh again social media is has is a blaze right now with the NBA is rigged in conspiracy theories It’s hilarious Um Enrique with the dollar 999 super chat Bobby said “Good.” Uh already saw Nico having trade discussions with Los Angeles All right Thank you for your comment Tanner Uh Banhammer Boink Jake Benoy with the 1999 super chat Shout out to you Uh Jason Kid is gonna tell Anthony Davis he’s got to go back to the five now or can Cooper possibly play the three this league is stupidly ridiculous Jake like usually we would spend some time on I think we kind of went through a lot of this of this combo Yeah that came around whenever we were talking about yeah okay perfect So so I I do think that it’s it’s really hard to imagine any scenario where AD is not playing a lot of five but I’m going to be honest there was never any scenario where Dallas was going to be good next season like really good and and AD was not playing a lot of five It just it had to happen at this some point What this might do is make it easier to talk AD into playing the five especially early in the year when he really doesn’t want to do it You’re like “Well we can’t help that we just drafted a guy and have a guy who need to play the two positions you know who both need to play the position that you want to play.” Sorry Makes it easier to do that in the playoffs though which is really when it matters No no no I’m saying I think it makes it easier to do in the regular season too Oh okay Yeah Yeah Yeah Like all of a sudden you have Cooper flag Yeah Yeah I think I think it makes it easier from the from the very PJ can defend fives too Yeah Honestly honestly I’m I’m almost some as well I mean like I’m almost wondering if like PJ is basically your center Yeah Yeah I mean depend and it makes you’re switching pick and rolls too It unlocks a lot of stuff Oh goody We get to we get to talk basketball again Still lot of shooting still letting creating but uh that can come What does defense win Mark draft lotteryies Oh wow Okay Aussie D with the 499 super chat Since Luca isn’t coming back Cooper flashing pick number 77 so I can get all of my jerseys Taylor be selfless of him Adam Swiss with the 999 super chat What number does he he was was he where two he was two He was number two Did Kyrie go back to 11 this season two is like unofficially as two That’s right Yeah that’s right Yeah two is in big big questions That’s right Big question Uh 20 though Good number Yeah Well were you about to think Lively is so selfless like I mean or to come off at number one Would he give him number two well typically when people Mavs people get drafted by the Mavs and the lottery and their numbers taken they double the number So it’ be 22 I feel like can’t do that 222 Rose jersey is retired And in fact they should re-retire Rose Jersey for getting us Cooper flag So Rose should have 22 and 22 retired Wow Oh and I don’t know anything about numbers I literally thought like there was maybe someone on the team who had it No No It’s been retired forever I’m sorry I know Derrick’s number is 41 I literally don’t know Hardy wears number three though right who wears number one max Christie does Hardy I think Hardy wears number one He was three and then switched to one year Yeah that that’s right Theo Pinson was number one That’s right So although Jaden Hardy’s never had a triple double with no turnovers So I think Jayen Hardy going to have to come off that number one Like he might he might have to come off of the team Let’s be honest Well there’s there’s We’ll see Did he tweet after they won the lottery no That’s CDJ No posts Interesting I’ve seen like I said PJ Washington tweet I haven’t seen any other Mavericks tweeting Maybe there wives has We’ll see Adam Swiss with the 999 super chat Uh my son and I were out racing our scooters this week when all of a sudden stick was thrown in front of my son’s scooter and he crashed It was Nico He told us he would help by fixing the NBA draft That’s a worthy sacrifice What’s What’s one skinned knee to bring Cooper flag to Dallas yeah kind of tell your son to suck it up in this instance Not all Yeah it’s good learning experience for him Wow Exactly Spoken from two people who don’t have kids Good gracious You’re right Aussie D with the 499 super chat is my child is making all the noise up there Uh after the guy Cooper flag what do you expect KJ you’re right After the Luca trade I was feeling like a shriveled up What is that cby Celeb Celaby That’s a Pokemon Come on Well you should have read it then Like sorry Out here looking at trade I was feeling like a shriveled up Celaby Now I have life again In uh the in the Celaby movie Celaby Celibby kind of looks like this bright green sort of like onion head kind of looking thing In the movie it gets like brown and wrinkled almost like a raisin and it looks like it’s dead but then they’re able to bring it back to life Well I’m glad brought him back to life Celibby really needs a buff I’m I’m just gonna say uh Jake Benoy back in spending all the money with the 499 super chat Let’s go Jake What if Nico traded Flag the pick do you trust him i’m sure a lot of conversation over the next several weeks will be what if the Mavericks trade the number one pick from different people I’m not trading it Not necessarily Just do the thing Nope Draft him Just draft him It’s fine Uh Yah Billy uh with the $10 super chat I cannot believe it I honestly thought it would be 10 years until I say that I’m excited to watch Mass Basketball Also shout out to Yogi and Salah Those two were the foundation of this team Hash Coupe MVP This could not have happened without Yogi and Salah Uh Minotaur Moreno with the 499 super chat question This past Christmas if you said uh if I said you could have AD plus flag for Luca would you have done it hell no No no no no no He wasn’t part of the trade Let’s not let’s not forget that This is a stroke of luck that I mean think about it this way Would you rather have Would you rather have Cooper flag or a title not that they would have won the title but I feel like the Mavs would have had a better chance to win the title this year than they did to win the number one pick if they Every single favorite is like down for punches gasping between rounds Um yeah you had a better chance to win a championship the next two or three years Yeah Pre-trade than than post trade Sarah back in with the $7.77 super chat in honor of Luca Uh who has it worse than Luca diehard fans The fact that I don’t feel happy means Nico was wrong Winning won’t fix how I feel about the Mavs I do feel like you’re going to wa like watching him play He is a He’s fun to watch That gets us real back real quick back to what we mentioned a little bit earlier Um one of the things that going into the Olympics and coming out of the Olympics before they actually started um Cooper Flag was part of the some of the individuals that trained with Team USA uh before they went on to win their gold medal this past summer And one of the biggest storylines coming out of the pre-Olympic uh camp was that Cooper flag was busting ass uh during the team USA um you know workout periods when they were getting ready for the Olympics And there were plenty of rave reviews for Cooper Flag and what his capabilities were uh going up against the best at the NBA uh had to offer So if that gives you any indication of the potential ceiling uh of Cooper Flag um yeah that is going to be very interesting to watch By the way with Cooper Flag potentially being the number one pick for the Dallas Mavericks I have to read this note because I found it extremely fascinating earlier uh today So this coming from Mark J Spears of ESPN Um barring the unexpected former Duke star Cooper Flag is expected to be the first white American taken with the number one pick in the NBA draft since 1977 The question is Mark Stein can you name the last Come on Oh he hit you with a Let me finish it Can you name the last white American player that was taken number one overall in the NBA draft 1977 Kent Benson What’s he go to indiana That’s right Mark Stein’s on it First and what is he what was what was he famed for what what what happened to him early in his NBA career a very very famous moment Oh pleaseing lightness Kareem Abdul Jabbar punched him and broke his hand Hey yo if I remember correctly Kareem broke his hand Kareem broke his hand punching Kent Benson Oh wow How strong was his face good Quite strong If I’m remembering now I’m down Tanner please look that up and make sure I did that correctly He’s I’m trying to check I’m trying to I’m doing I’m doing sourcing things Tom Benz I got you Kent Kent Benson not Tom Benson Kareem Kareem punched Kent Benson White American basketball players are back Don’t leave me hanging We’re so back baby We have never been more back I shot a couple threes today Is that the YA i made a couple shots on the uh down Papa Shot machine Oh look at you You feel good about yourself down in Round Rock down at the Round Rock I took more than I took a lot Talk anymore either I made a couple I took several We’ve been going too long Are we almost done uh almost We just still got more super chat We’re not done We’re not going off the air anytime We got over 1600 people watching this live right now What’s our What’s our subscriber count oh man Wow We’ll let you 30 minutes ago we were at 700 We’re going for 2500 and then back down to 700 Now we’re at 700 again That’s right Uh Jordan with the 499 You can leave at some point Nico should do the right thing Oh wow Nico should do the right thing and trade the number one pick to the Lakers for Luca and then go Oh okay Not the last part Well it’s it’s certainly an opinion That’s definitely an opinion Thank you for Thank you for the super chat Your contribution Uh Aussie D with the $1.99 super chat They ain’t unrigging it Markside 2025 Mark’s going to be put that on a t-shirt Mark’s going to be so pissed when the aggregations come out Mark said Mark knew what he was doing when he said that You know NBA insider Mark Stein says that the NBA is you know uh Cooper Flag doesn’t turn 19 until December So wait what he’s 18 years cuz he reclassified Oh that’s I totally forgot about that He’s like one of the youngest players in the draft Yeah he is he is 18 He’s going to play like Unless he gets hurt Why are you so excited about that unless he gets hurt he’s not even going to play he’s going to play like 30 games before his 19th birthday Please move on before I beat Tim’s ass Aussie D with the $1.99 super chat Oh this one’s for me Please get a drop of Kevin screaming when we won Just reenact it What’ you do i can’t reenact it I can’t reenact that I think it was a I think it was I think you got R2-D2 It’s very R2D2 screech right there I couldn’t keep going Kevin will go like you can go higher and Oh my gosh Oh I can’t do it though Yeah please don’t hurt your voice Uh Armando with the $5 super Y’all are cooking with this money tonight Yeah this one’s so good Oh wow I read this earlier Promise students 100s on their final if we won but said only 1.8% chance So please study students um said my God is a god of miracles He is a prophet 100s for everybody 100s for everybody And welld deserved Armando Welld deserved Welld deserved 100s for everybody Claymore with the $5 super chat LeBron must be constipated on hypocrisy Wow that’s a hell of a way to put it He ended up in Cleveland in 2003 Tim Duncan in San Antonio in 1997 Rigged or not I don’t care Let’s effing go Mavs LFG Uh this is Faron uh with the $1.99 super chat Far on forget Giannis fire Nico and trade for Luca Yeah Yeah Okay To gonna happen with the with the $5 super chat Bigger conspiracy gentlemen in Dallas history Who killed JFK or who really traded Luca if you stand on the X you actually like can see everything happening Like you like you can hear the trade call being made from the X in Ascension Coffee I mean you know not the first time a one ina- million shot uh came to fruition Wow Dallas Some would say some would say Martin the polar bear repeats itself with the $2 super chat Are Paige Cooper jerseys the new Dallas couple gifts oh okay So how’s it not shipping them that’s That’s weird But I love a couple costume that’s Paige and Cooper Yeah that’s I do I do not ship Paige and Cooper I wish both of them all the freedom to pursue what love from wherever they choose to pursue it Yes Yes Weird but also not realistic Jonathan K with the 499 super chat Uh who in the last decade or two had a better team win healthy than us with the number one pick that’s a really good question actually The last I can think it has to be the Lakers The Pistons in 03 but they Well it wouldn’t be the number two Didn’t the Lakers get James Worthy number one am I Oh why not why not the Spurs spurs at 99 Oh yeah I guess Yeah they they were already pretty solid when they got Spurs Also that was that was that was the lockout year right so like super super Yeah that he was in 97 so he was the year before that Yeah Um the year before the lockout But I mean the fact that Dave Robinson had a season it was a season ending injury and then next year they get Tim Duncan kind of thing I think the Lakers one time NBA executive who has never worked in Dallas but actually just texted texted me with the requis the same shock that everyone else is reacting to but then added the Spurs are still the luckiest team we’ve ever seen Oh for sure Oh for sure I think isn’t this the first time that they’ve moved up but not to number one like wasn’t it every time they’ve ever moved up it was to get the number one pick cuz they’ve done it three times Man I haven’t even processed the rest of the lottery which makes sense in this one context Dylan Harour to San Antonio No that one is really interesting though because they they just got Fox They’re they still have Vel and they still have uh Castle Like the Spurs are trading for Giannis I think they’re going to think they’re going to get Giannis now Yeah Taylor got instantly Just prepare yourself It’s between the Rockets and the Spurs The Spurs probably have the best collection of young cheap talent Kell Johnson Devin Bell Stefon Castle or or the number two pick for young for Dylan Harper And Dylan Harper if you throw that in there and they still have Barnes’s contract too I think Like it’s San Antonio is that just sucks Yeah I mean Dylan Harper’s going to be better than Castle or Darren Fox Maybe Oh well Well I mean I don’t have I don’t actually have strong strong enough takes on How often have we talked about 2027 2028 2029 2030 those picks are out the door and those teams that have them were rejoicing Oh they’re actually mad now That’s like it’s like I mean it is Sam Prey is like “No.” Okay And like now I’m trying to remember them all which I should know but my my brain is a complete 2027 Hornets Yeah 2027 is Hornets 28 is Thunder Thunder in the swap 2029 is Brooklyn in the Kyrie trade And 2030 is Spurs as part of the Grant Williams salary dump So the Mavericks do not have control of any of those picks But however if you keep Cooper flag no matter what else happens you you have potentially mitigated the damage of that The one time you would like to maybe have some future picks though to like add to your 18-year-old foundational piece They don’t have any except for next year Next year’s draft Interesting Uh let’s let’s revisit that one in March Now there now obviously this let’s revisit that tomorrow and the next day when the necessary moves to bolster your number one overall pick would need they can’t trade 26 they can’t do that cuz they that’s that’s what I’m saying if if you think that’s going to bolster grouper flag there are there’s a very clear direction you need to start thinking about you know we’re making the cases for those plenty plenty of time baby honestly maybe the cases that Dallas shouldn’t be a top six team because Kyrie’s going to come back and they’re going to be awesome once he’s back So they they tank the regular season get into the playin still end up with the Well I guess if you go to the finals they can’t press their luck twice Yeah if you go to the finals you’re still the same Yeah just Yeah just do that Uh one team that isn’t nearly as happy as the Mavericks are tonight um but is rather happy because they get to keep their pick That’s the Philadelphia 76 Sixers Um with them finishing in the top um four they get to keep their pick Otherwise that pick would have went to the Oklahoma City Thunder Um so shout out to our PHLY brethren because they get to keep their pick in the 2025 NBA draft because otherwise Oklahoma City would have been owning that pick if it fell outside of the top six So shout out to PHLY uh who is I’m sure pretty happy that they get to keep Utah had 17 wins Washington had 18 Charlotte had 19 The 39 win Dallas Mavericks will be your Cooper team The team with the worst record in the NBA has not won the lottery since 2018 Bottoming out is completely useless It was It was useless before It’s even worse now Utah finished where did they finish tonight sixth Fifth As low as they could go right fifth That’s as low as That’s as low as you can go when you’re when you have when you’re at the top of the My goodness It’s the lottery is kind of like the playoffs now because the league is so is so has so much parody All you have to do to give yourself a chance in the playoffs is just get there Just be in the playoffs If you can make the playoffs you can win the title The the lottery odds likewise are flat enough to where now basically if you want to win the lottery all you have to do is just go Just show up and you can apparently now just be be in the room You could hear your name called especially for the Spurs Uh shout out to Sister GM Matt Ricardi who was in the room when the ping pong Could you Okay real quick Could you imagine Matt Ricardi’s reaction to like seeing like the combination of the numbers as he’s sitting there watching all this unfold well you know what my my colleague my twice a week contributor to the Stein Line Substack Jake Fischer was in the room So I’m I’m greatly looking forward to his painting the picture of what that scene was actually happening later this evening Oh it’ll be out tonight if I hope so He’s working fast All right Let’s get to our That’s That’s part of the plan Last couple of super chats Cardi good dude Shout out to Sarah back in with the 999 super chat Uh ready to buckle down and plan for six weeks of Cooper Flag Pods Yeah my summer vacation plans got greatly altered uh as of an hour ago Trust and believe that for sure It does kind of eliminate like a 15 player series of these are all the guys that could take an 11 Like the amount of work that just got eliminated in terms of preparation Should they trade up should they trade back like my gosh a lot of work has just been eliminated for scenarios for us Tanner how many Cooper flag pictures are there for the thumbnails oh my gosh Okay you just go and start making them now There’s going to be a lot of photos Yeah this Rick Weltz quote is pretty amazing Of course Um is it about the stadium let’s hear So Rick Welt is in Chicago at at the draft lottery and he said “I’m the only person who was in this room and the room 40 years ago I was in charge of the NBA draft lottery 40 years ago when when Patrick Euing won I’ve been doing conspiracy theory stories ever since This is very surreal personally Oh my gosh The 85 lottery was very clearly rigged All right It’s on camera You see it Shout out Rick Weltz for that That quote via my man Ben Goliver of the Washington Post Even my son asked me He’s like “Maybe you should have been there in Chicago for this.” I’m like “Thanks.” You know thanks for thanks for pointing that out But no no it’s better to be It was better Everything happened the way it needed to be here to see to see uh to see you guys lose it It’s it’s really good that Jake Fischer is in the room Mark because one of the reporters that was going to give Mavs fans probably the most detailed and insightful analysis of that outside of Jake Fischer is Mike Curtis from the Dallas Morning News But earlier tonight he said that he can’t be there cuz he got sick Yeah And so now I’m just imagining the butterfly effect What would the ripples have been had Mike Curtis been in the room would the gravity have been slightly off with the tilting of the floor had led one ping pong ball different like would it have changed everything i’m just asking questions Good questions to be asked Um last super and feel better Mike Curtis We did not also that as well I thought I thought that’s where this was going Feel better my guy Feel better my guy Um Anita Ball uh with the Oh no super chat We just drafted a future Laker Boo Thank you for the super chat But we rarely Every player can be a future Laker if you photoshop hard enough That’s right In fact every player is a future Laker in Photoshop land Yeah I wrote a story about that once about literally about Lakers fans Photoshop Well not specifically Lakers fans but they are the ones who do it most So it was a fun story says “Trade that pick for Braun and Bronny Get the bleep out of here man Get the package deal Let’s go.” Um that doesn’t really make you better I What i just thought it was funny to say and as we get ready to get out of here for the James we’re stopping Come on man I got a kid up there so you got to go to bed Um I have to work You got to write and you got to do all kinds of stuff Hook shorts to record Yeah the We can do that We can do that and then get us out of here The thing I keep thinking about most is is that how many times did we sit up here collectively and say there’s no chance in hell that the Mavericks would capture the flag i could count on my hand maybe at least 10 times I said it uh that there is no way in hell that the Mavericks would be No Like every time it came up I remember specifically saying there is a 1.8% chance that the Mavericks captured the flag which is we said that repeatedly but no one here believed it We didn’t even think that they could win in a tankathon spin until Thursday when it somehow happened The tide shifted Keep them accountable Tanner That’s what I’m talking about I said there was I had exactly in my head I genuinely believed there was a 1.8% chance that Dallas had a chance because you read it That’s what you genuinely believe cuz you read it Uh but deep down but the fact that that is where we are after an unbelievable draft lottery Again the Mavericks had never moved up at all in the NBA draft 17 times in the draft lottery had never moved up one spot Go from number 11 to number one with a 1.8% chance of doing it And now they have won the NBA draft lottery for the very first time Still a lot of questions to answer Who’s going to be making the pick what’s gonna happen between now and then we’re here every uh five days a week Yeah On YouTube Uh we’re at noon Yeah We’re going to be talking all about that tomorrow and every weekday thereafter until June 25th There is a whole hell of a lot to dive into That’s before we even get to NBA free agency and everything else Like there’s a lot to be decided I mean and that’s why this is like I feel like I’m failing you guys as an NBA historian because we’ve never seen anything like this before Mark We’ve never seen anything like this This is a get out of jail card that I don’t I don’t even know what the previous comparison is Like I genuinely am going to have to dive into the history books and try to figure out a similar because again that Luca trade was unlike any trade that we’ve ever seen So for a get out of jail card to material like cuz on one hand it has been an agonizingly long 3 months and now you could almost say it feels on some levels like a blink of an eye that this quickly that this get out of jail card has materialized for the Mavs And again people are going to want to they’re going to want jobs here now trade offers are going to come in that you couldn’t have imagined a couple hours ago Like it just this winning this lottery those phones completely it it it it completely changes the complexion for a team that legitimately seemed hopeless in a lot of ways Yeah And by the way earlier too like the Texas rivalry between the Spurs and the Mavericks Send that up That’s back Yeah it’s back on But like I love is is posting there comparing this to you get that clean tanner is is comparing this to the to the Cavs getting LeBron in 2003 But no that Cavs team tanked to try to get LeBron and won the lottery Like this is Wait what yeah I I don’t know what they’re laughing about Dad says you said I love weed with no background noise So we are going to You’ll be hearing that again I said I was referring to that was handle in the chat You’ll be You’ll be hearing that again though You’ll be hearing that again One day when you least expect it Tanner Tanner you cannot clip that There you go We got We got Wait I got to read this Tanner got me saying butt crack All right Wanted to read that Say got you an ad review You literally read that second You didn’t have to say that You said you were going to say it with more gusto and even more I said opinions are like butt cracks You all got one Hey Oh my god Chad did you get that oh I’m in the super club too Tanner do me a favor Go back up a little bit I want to get to Tad’s comment because I find it hilarious There it is right there Uh Tad was first of all he’s back So welcome back Tad Now that the Mavericks have the number one pick Uh Tad says “Was trying and failing to like hockey listening to the DMV pod and when I heard Bobby’s ad I got sad every time.” Like did they not the ad really is in there every time They didn’t They didn’t do it as well as I did Or wait a minute Oh my god My Yeah my sleeper ad I think is on Is that what you’re talking about everywhere dude I I Every time I tune into one of the podcast feeds the sleeper ad yeah it’s you Yeah it’s you It’s your for the whole network Well I guess if you’re if you’re in Dallas all well all NBA all city all city NBAs It’s definitely like all my apologies I’m sorry You can’t get away Are you admitting that you do not listen to All City MBA like a loyal company i watch it on YouTube Azie you are misying me I’m not reading that super chat Aussie says “I love weed.” Markstein 2025 Okay Well Bobby just said “I love weed.” Mark Stein Bobby Carella if we’re Tim Ko Tim Ko thanks you for your 999 super chat Aussie And welcome back Ted Welcome back Uh he said “Yes it’s your sleeper ad.” Good Download Sleeper today Promo code DLS Mavs $5 $55 Oh my gosh Um that’ll do it for us That was an unscripted two hours That was none of that was planned Maybe scripted for some Uh maybe for some coming in He’s a shirt guy under the jersey just like Luca Yeah I don’t support that at all Shirt era is back I didn’t support that when Luka was doing it I hate still wears a shirt I hate it I hate it when they seamlessly transition into Mavs are going to be quite a shirted team next year Yeah I don’t like that at all I don’t like the shirt a bit shirt guy What if it’s just one sleeve don’t like it Don’t like it Get in Reggie Jackson I had actually come around on Luca just wearing one sleeve of a I’d kind of come around on that He was a tights guy too Um thank you so much for joining us here on the DLLS Mavs podcast We had well over uh 1,800 folks watching us live tonight on the DLSSM podcast because this league hash this league this team this team I I get the league has been crazy but but like this team I I’m a little bit like I would like to live in precedented times again I’ll take a precedent please Can we have one precedent one president unprecedented times Appreciate our guy Tanner uh tonight for making us look good and sound for getting us some dude some pizza Shout out to him feeding us tonight Uh we really appreciate you man We haven’t heard of that Uh for doing everything that you did for us tonight Uh we thank you all of you uh who left and now apparently are back with us now that the Mavericks are the number one overall Shout out to y’all for coming back Uh but also all of our die hard Even when you say it it just sounds crazy I It was out of body experience watching that thing Clearly you see me running off the set Like it doesn’t happen Like it doesn’t A lot of people are making a big deal about how not excited Cooper Flag was Both at reaction and in the post uh lottery interview Maybe he wanted to stay home in Charlotte Who knows or stay home in North Carolina Cooper Flag has possibly seen a DLS Sports short All right Mavs fans have major justifiable problems with the team and the GM’s job if he is retained is to do everything he can to repair that relationship That’s not Cooper Flag’s job Okay Unfortunately Nico has let the players do the bulk of the defending It’s time for Nico to take the lead and protect his guy and try and make this right if he’s the one that’s going to be the GM of the team That is a stunned National NBA insider Mark Stein a giddy Mavericks analyst and Bobby Carella and equally as stunned Mavericks beat Rider Tim Ko And I am your host Kevin Gray and just flabbergasted at what we just witnessed an hour ago Back at noon tomorrow Back at noon tomorrow I am only 98.2% stunned Get out of here We are DLLS fans Your favorite guys your favorite guys your favorite team with the number one pick We are DL ping pong We’re always your number one at 12:00 p.m on DLS Sports Y’all enjoy the rest of your night We’ll talk to you tomorrow See you in a few hours [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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The Dallas Mavericks won the 2025 NBA Draft Lottery! In an unbelievable stroke of fortune, the Mavs moved up from 11th to 1st, capitalizing on just a 1.8 percent chance at the No. 1 pick and the right to take Cooper Flagg. The DLLS Mavs crew watches and reacts to the lottery LIVE before breaking down what this means for the Mavs, both today and for the future.

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0:00 – Intro
03:33 – Previewing the lottery
17:27 – The Mavs move up!
24:49 – THE MAVS WIN THE LOTTERY
32:20 – This opens the door to infinite possibilities
39:51 – Saul Bookman from PHNX joins the show
51:42 – This year has been a wild ride
01:00:18 – We won this F-ing thing

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