Miami Heat: How would a Durant-Adebayo-Herro core function? | Five on the Floor

Miami Heat: How would a Durant-Adebayo-Herro core function? | Five on the Floor

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today’s floor plan i’m Ethan Skull you can follow me at Ethan J skull of Five Reason Sports i got Brady Hawk you can follow me at Brady Hawk 305 check out the recent episodes including one that I did with Greg on Kevin Durant and whether or not he’s still a needle mover and we did some comparisons to Shaq back in 2004 and I think think it’s worth a listen because some of the numbers suggest something different than what we’ve been seeing out there on social media but today we’re going to advance this even more and first I’m going to give an update and I’m giving this update at 10:15 a.m i gave this update last night actually on Off the Floor if you subscribed already but here’s where we are okay and it’s murky a little confusing because there are so many different reports and some people you know sort of cosplaying as reporters you know others are just getting information and they’re putting it out there but the information you know has some kind of an agenda to it that’s coming to them um the Miami Heat are still in this that’s where I’ll start with the Heat they’re still in this i’m not going to say who’s in the lead that changes minute to minute there was reporting that came out last night from ESPN that Durant uh only really has interest in going to three teams which is which would be Houston San Antonio and Miami miami was added to that we’ve been telling you all along that he had interest in coming to Miami it’s never been crossed off his list although the Texas teams have sort of gotten more prominence there uh the the story there was that the team that was not included was Minnesota and that’s been one of the teams that has been in the mix here at least according to reports uh this the Wolves have an issue anyway acquiring him in that they are over the second apron so they can’t aggregate salary until July 1st which makes it a little bit more complicated they also have a couple of their core players are free agents and they don’t want to trade Jana McDaniels so this was always going to be a tough thing for Minnesota although it could be worked out if he was like pushing to go there and of course the attraction there is his friendship kind of a mentorship uh of Anthony Edwards but as of right now Minnesota is being declared out of it the Spurs by the way you know for all the talk of them and Bill Simmons saying a deal was done a lot of people are saying deals were done like a week ago and these people are not backtracking on any of it even though it didn’t prove to be true uh but the Spurs it just doesn’t seem like there’s a fit there with the Suns because the Spurs are not inclined to give up the number two pick they don’t want to give up uh Stefon Castle and so essentially you’re talking about the 14th pick Harrison Barnes uh Devin Vassel it doesn’t seem like there’s a fit there either so this is where I believe the Heat are the Heat do not want to give up KL Wear we’re going to talk about that and essentially this is like the Suns exhausting their options with others and Miami still being there that’s what this has felt like to me all along and it’s why the Heat who would like to have KD and to my understanding would likely extend KD if it came to that which it probably would they are not like going to throw the farm out there and for some this is going to feel like the Dame situation except I do believe the difference here is that Phoenix will deal with them and they have they were dealing with them at the at the trade deadline but Madishia asked for everything and the heat were like okay well if you still have Durant after this which they did uh we’ll come back to this over the summer and that’s kind of where we’re at so that that’s my understanding of things as of 10:20 a.m on Sunday which is that you know the Heat don’t feel they’re out of this um they don’t feel desperate to do it but they would like to have the player they they’ve like they’ve liked the player for a long time as have a lot of people okay so Brady in that context let’s get into what this would look like if they actually acquired him and and I I’m going to put this out there in a couple of different versions version one is they don’t trade wear so let’s say that the deal ends up being uh Wiggins who I I believe would be included you know for salary purposes and also because he keeps Phoenix reasonably competitive if that’s what they want to do uh he’s played next to Steph he could play next to to Booker and so it feels like there’s some kind of a fit there or at least Wiggins is involved maybe he’s sent somewhere else but they could be involved with Phoenix and that the second piece of the deal would would likely be Duncan Robinson um who has a partial guarantee which could create some tax savings for Phoenix which is also something that the other teams can’t really provide at least not to the degree of this duncan obviously been a really important player for the Heat for a very long period of time but we’ve kind of been anticipating that we saw the last of him in a Heat uniform and that may be what ends up happening here so you you’ve got Duncan in there you’ve got the number 20 overall pick which I believe would be included here phoenix wants draft capital that’s more immediate uh and then a young player who let’s say for the purposes of this exercise is Yoic it could be Hakez the Heat I don’t believe will include wear and then maybe some other kind of sweetener whether it’s the heat have a second round pick or it could be uh swaps or again Phoenix could insist on the Heats I guess it would be the 2030 pick or something along those lines um so let’s just say that and that of the current roster you’re removing Wiggins you’re removing Duncan and you’re removing let’s say for starters you’re removing Yoic what would what would what would Kevin Durant’s fit be or what would their fit be around him with the current players that they have yeah so that’s kind of I think that the baseline deal that a lot of us think would actually go down and what the roster would look like the thing that becomes complicated I know we were talking about it yesterday was uh how things look for DaVon because I know things could be a little bit more complicated with with resigning him and everything so that would obviously be a crucial part of this uh because obviously if you could get DaVon back in the mix with a Kevin Durant Tyler Herro Bam and Ko core uh I think that’s big we talk about uh kind of like the early Jimmy years of what was so different about it and like kind of running back that style they had such good role players i think that was just it’s not talked about enough over those years of when they were making those pushes that they you know the guys the two ways and all that stuff they had good role players they need to rebuild that if this is the case but let’s just talk about the core number one Kevin Durant and Tyler Herro offensively you talk about needing to get Tyler Herro some offensive help some specifically offensive help in the half court uh and you’re adding arguably the the greatest scorer ever i mean yeah that that’s going to help i know the age stuff but for the time being this guy is still an elite elite scorer that can get you a bucket at any point in the game at any point uh in the half court out of pick and roll uh mid post isolation all of that we all know what Kevin Durant can do um Bam Adabio and Kevin Durant obviously have you know a relationship off the court hopefully Bam’s doing some recruiting right now as we speak uh but ultimately I think that that’s just an obvious fit we actually seen them in Team USA uh were some of their better lineups in in this recent you know push for a gold medal was was Kevin Durant Bam just kind of working pick and rolls the the playmaking the unselfishness they kind of have a little bit of a connection already but the the thing you mentioned I think one of the most intriguing parts of when I think about what could be on the court with this type of core uh give me Kevin Durant wear pick and rolls like the entire game like that that’s that’s what I think of when I think about adding this because when you have the the worry of Kevin Durant coming off a screen like every defense does when he comes off of that knowing if he gets that elbow or anywhere in the half court the three-point line or inside uh he could fire over the top of you and they know he will fire over the top of you he’s just such a threat from there that big who’s playing drop or if they’re switching they you have to worry about Khal Wear now as well there’s going to be opportunities on that backside that I just think that twoman game would be tough to deal with like it really would we know Tyler and Kell have been you know had a decent connection this first year but like think about what the the the attention Tyler sees but then times it by five because you have the name of Kevin Durant and the skill set of Kevin Durant like I just think that skill set in itself would be huge but I think about the rest of the roster i mean who like how they fit in like I said before I think one of the biggest things is if you get Kevin Durant and you’re trying to hit minimum contracts just get shooting just get shooting at every position like that that’s ultimately the the team building I think they’re going to need uh if look if if there’s a guy like Haimey that stays I don’t think it’s the worst thing in the world to get like keep him in the fold and he could be a bench player for this team uh it does I’ll ask you this Ethan because like if they if the roster is short I’ve mentioned this to you before does Terry Rosier like find his way back into the fold here like if if if their roster is becomes thin on the backside and they need something on on the bench like I don’t know like I could see a scenario where he he ends up outsticking some other guys and ends up playing for this roster next season but ultimately they have to just find some they have to just find some of these veteran minimum guys to fill out the rest of the roster but I know we were going to talk about the fit specifically but I don’t think there’s any question about the shortterm fit with Kevin Durant like there’s never been a question about that it’s more so what the roster looks like long term is it worth that is it going to be a contending team and all that stuff but it fits Tyler will be able to bio Kevin Durant hello where that that works for me okay so let me start because you threw me with a Rosier comment because I’m just now imagining him dribbling for 15 seconds into a step back Durant sitting right there asking for the ball so I I I don’t I don’t know about that one we’ll see uh I I I guess we talk about fit it does seem silly to say “Well how do you fit around Durant?” Now I know people are going to say “Well his last two teams really didn’t win.” And I tried to debunk some of that on the last podcast where the winning percentage with him on the court uh was actually not elite but fine i with the Nets it was better than fine it’s just they couldn’t get um their their core three on the court together and of course he was part of that uh coming off a serious injury but I I’ll I’ll say this as far as fit okay and I get what you’re saying about him and where I just look to the other end of the floor and I’m wondering are you comfortable Kevin Durant hasn’t played the three in a long time i mean I I I know people are thinking of him that way because when he came in uh with uh you know with with uh well first Seattle and then Oklahoma City that’s primarily what he played and you know you take you take a look at uh you know the teams Oklahoma City that went to the finals and all that now you mean remember Ibaka was playing the four uh Kendrick Perkins of all people was playing the five and KD was a three and then you had Harden or Sephilosia at the two and and Westbrook at the one i I he has again he hasn’t played that position in a long time so if we’re talking about starting him which we are of course uh and you’re talking about starting BAM which we are of course I just I I’m Are you sure that the where starts in that scenario if he’s still here or might it make more sense and Hawkins is not ideal there as a three if he’s still here because he’s not a great shooter but would it make more sense to have a three and D guy at the three uh you know out there instead of wear and then you kind of have wear coming in playing 25 to 30 minutes with either Bam or KD and that’s essentially those are your three core bigs so to speak it’s tough i personally would start killware with the two i I I just think it gives you an identity it gives you length it gives you versatility defensively for sure i mean we’ve talked about what they’ve been defensively over the last few years and they they find their way into top 10 defenses but it’s not because of like uh big teams or or that type of style so I like the idea of it but the thing is I I’m not worried about him coming off the bench just because you can immediately stagger uh you could pull let’s say pull Kell and KD early and then put them back in together a little bit later like that that’s the type of thing I think they would lean to and they they just like build the connection of KD and the rook and let KD run a lineup and then keep the connection of Tyler and Bam together and let them run lineups like they’ve been over the last few years that’s the way I think they treat it and I kind of like the idea of that i think they uh they’re investing too much in this young core or younger core Tyler B and Kell that I don’t think you you need to continue to split them up i think they need to do as much as they can to keep them together try to build chemistry let them get that connection up uh and offensively like we always talk about what we we did the episodes like what would Kell and Bam look like next year offensively like how are they how is it going to work well when you get Kevin Durant and Tyler Herro on the floor next to them it works like that that’s how you fix the offensive stuff with them like yes they can shoot the occasional threes they can build some stuff out uh and be just you know get more ver uh reps offensively in the half court for sure uh but that just opens everything up in that style so uh yeah I think I would still start Kell i I don’t want to I don’t want to diminish anything like if they’re keeping him like if they put Kell in the deal it’s a done deal that that that’s the way I I feel it is like if they threw Kell in like right now and said “We’re going to throw him in the deal for Kevin Durant.” Kevin Durant is on the Miami Heat so if they’re valuing him to that extent uh they need to prop him up they need to value him on the court play him in blatant games as well as we’ve talked about last year kind of letting him figure things out but also playing him next to your best player so I like the idea of starting him letting him figure some stuff out uh and yeah Kevin Durant is It’s funny i feel like I feel like we did this exact episode two years ago with Dame where we were like we were like describing what Dame was going to be on the court with Miami and then we know yeah i feel like I just want to put that out there that Ethan made us do this episode because I just every time I keep every time I keep mentioning Kevin Durant next to like Bam and Tyler i just like I just get flashback to 2023 well I’m not making anybody they’re making me do it on social media i’m getting I’m getting messages i’m getting added where is the new episode okay we’ll give you the new episode so that’s what we’re doing here all right when we come back I want to talk about uh Tyler specifically because when I have even those who I’ve spoken to um you know in the organization who maybe are a little more reluctant about giving up the farm here or this that kind of thing uh and they’re not I’m not saying they’re all in position to make that decision but just th those I’ve I’ve I’ve communicated with everybody says the same thing well this would be great for Tyler so I I want to get into why other than the obvious okay which is that you have somebody else who’s attracting attention um also this is this would be the biggest front line that the Heat have ever had right and that’s that’s why you play them together i mean it’s crazy i mean it would literally be the biggest front i mean you go from I mean I mean Bam is Bam would be the third tallest guy in the in the uh even though technically I guess he would play the four uh do want to talk about something else um and more important than the heat which is how you send money because you want it to be safe right that’s real important uh everybody in our core group here has cash app see that’s that’s a requirement you don’t all have to be 6’9 uh like you will be to play on the Miami Heat front line but everybody has Cash App because 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for some reason I see them flowing off each other like I I don’t Right like I I I feel like the reads would be easy for the two of them i don’t think it would be complicated and I I know people kind of get on as we make this comparison but Tyler plays in some of the same ways that Devin Booker plays we’ve I mean that comparison’s been made for a reason and so Durant is used to that like I I I don’t I don’t think this would be a hard I think if this happened I know we’re jinxing everything but if this happened I feel like they’d come out of the second training camp practice you know joking with each other and talking about you know you know how good this is going to look together am I wrong no it’s not that we’re comparing Tyler to Devin Booker i mean Tyler modeled his game after Deon Booker like that that’s that’s what he he he did coming into the league so you’re talking about a guy that’s kind of modeled his game and done stuff that he’s done in the half court and uh Kevin Durant has fit well with Deon Booker up to this point and has found ways to you know balance the on and off ball thing that I think Miami could definitely do especially uh like Devin Booker was morphing into more of like an onball point guard type player in Phoenix because that’s what they needed at the time whereas Miami was trying to morph Tyler into the offball player he was trying to become like the guy that that’s leans more on the catch and shoe limits his dribbles and like I said in the last episode we did in the draft thing like Tyler was forced to do that and I was mentioning on that episode that like getting the guy in the draft like Ben Sif could like help Tyler out push him off the ball do more of the stuff that they wanted to do last year but like times that by 100 when comparing like the draft pick compared to Kevin Durant i mean they’re they could do a ton of stuff with those two guys and look this is the funniest part because Kevin Durant has gotten to figure this out especially this past year i mean over the last few years because he’s played with some really good players but I think he shot 46% from three on catch and shoots like on five attempts like you’re talking about an elite catch and shoot player as well who’s not he’s knocked down from anywhere that Tyler could still play his game tyler could still play the pick and roll game uh he could do all that stuff and then Kevin Durant could play off of that you have a bit you you run the two big lineups of the most ideal things in a two big lineup is that you have secondary action so like if Tyler and Bama are running a pick a roll on one side of the court they can reverse the ball to Kevin Durant screening and you play off of that like if you have those quick triggers that opens up an offense and they have not that’s what’s you know they haven’t had an elite elite offense because of that reason they haven’t had uh like we always compare it to like is it coaching is it this is it players well like they haven’t had the talent offensive talent to really get it to that point they’ve had Tyler who is a bucket they’ve had good role players they’ve had specialists but they haven’t had like elite scores jimmy became that in the playoffs jimmy got to that point uh but Durant is a guy that can kind of shift in offense and I think the most interesting fit other than Tyler and KD is Spo and KD because they’re another you know pairing that has a relationship with Team USA uh I know it’s been talked about that you know Katie’s it’s one of the scenarios where like KD has the respect for his coach where like coming in like if uh like that he will trust Eric Bolshshire to put him in the right position like he he would lay I think you talked about a story before where they like laid out a plan before of how they would use Kevin Durant two 2016 just to cycle back on that for people who who haven’t heard this enough when when the Heat sat down with Durant and you have to understand the circumstances of this that when they sat down with Durant they didn’t have a lot on the roster that Dwayne Dwayne was a free agent um they’re ressigning Whiteside to the max they had Dragage they didn’t have a lot they should not have really even been in the mix with KD and Spolster made the presentation to KD where he basically showed him what they tried to do for LeBron to increase his efficiency where he could get him his shots on the floor and KD from all accounts on this was floored by the presentation like just and it it’s the major reason why they finished you know a close enough second to KD joining one of the greatest teams of all time which is ultimately what he did so yes anyway continue but that that’s the that’s the context of 2016 and then you know I I I’ve talked to Spo about Durant um at training camp this year the respect is enormous and I was told that KD was with by people who covered USA basketball they said KD for all the talk about Edwards KD was with Bam more than with any other player and actually KD would come in on when Spo would go with Bam for Bam to get extra work because he kind of was personally coaching Bam there in a lot of ways kd would join in those situations so the the relationships between the three of them is already there but anyway continue yeah so just like for the Encore stuff it’s the same thing like I I just think spoke and could put him in a position and figure stuff out where we talk about the offense and unlocking it well like give him the talent like let’s see what that that’s the way to really juice up the offense is like uh if you give him Tyler Herro and Kevin Durant offensively and let the and Bam and Kell could play off of that and Bam’s still a major part of this offense i don’t want to lose that in this as well if they add Kevin Durant to the fold uh you do not want to lose the aggression of Bamabio i think the funny thing is I mean Jimmy did the same thing when he came here but Kevin Durant would be pushing Bam to become the like put the ball up more than anybody like uh we shouldn’t be having that discussion at this point either but I just think Kevin Durant would want Bam to be a primary scorer on this team uh but I just think the way they can use them and spoke and play off that like that the thing is they’re not going to come in and say like we’re you’re they’re trying to make a push for a better offense no doubt but I still think the identity of this team would be defensively uh Durant even at his age being the type of defender that he could be baming Kell in the backside just covering up for the back court we’ll see what DaVon Yoland I’m looking I’m looking at like what their core role players would be on this team in this instance i’m I think their number one core role player would be Pel Larson like that he he is going to be core in this situation if they were to lay Kevin Durant um the stuff he was doing last year in the playoffs the the the way the shot was coming along the energy all that stuff he’s going to be he would be crucial and he’s still going to be crucial kevin Durant or not I still think he’s going to be crucial role player for this team moving forward but I just think about in this like instance those are the type of guys they need uh I would resign an Alec Burks like you make sure like he he’s still on the roster i think they need that especially if you’re losing Duncan uh like those are the core role players I think you’d have to try to like keep in the fold uh and then you figure everything out else out with your best players and let Spo kind of you know map out this this diagram of offense behind Kevin Durant all right a couple closing things here uh number one when you talk about that it makes me think that the Heat would be back in their element because what they’ve done most successfully over the years is you put your stars in place and then you find guys to fit around them and they’ve done that on the fly um with previous builds i I mean the the most you know the most obvious one is the Sha Wade build where they got Shaq for basically everything good they had but Wade and Hasslam and Eddie Jones and then kind of okay we’ll get Damon Jones played for seven teams but we just need a shooter to play off of Shaq that’s it okay and Damon not handled the ball much dwayne’s going to handle the ball they went out and got that guy a elevated UD so when you talk about a guy like Pella Larson I’m not saying he’s going to be UD but you talk about taking a guy who maybe was in couldn’t really find the perfect role or didn’t have the perfect role with the previous group ud was not a starter um for you know necessarily coming into that that uh that season but they made they they elevated him um I could see again other players filling in and and the the other thing I want to say on this and this is not to take any shots at Jimmy because what Jimmy provided obviously you know was the driver to getting them to two finals and and almost a third but one of the the questions we always had was not just the fit with him and BAM but the fact that his style of play and Tyler’s style of play were not didn’t always fit you needed them at different points of the game but we saw Jimmy elevated even more when Tyler was out during that run when they lost to Denver in the finals and we always talked about Jimmy slowing the game down Tyler playing a little bit more of a free flowing game that’s to be honest like KD and and Tyler offensively is a much better fit than Jimmy and Tyler were right i mean would you agree with that for sure i mean it it just flow it flows better i mean I I I still think there could be a case of taking turns like I don’t think it’s going to work immediately like it’s always going to be that case of taking turns early on but if I turns early on but I think what we were talking about was kind of later in the Jimmy tenure was it was still happening at times like it still felt like it was it was not like the I mean there was games where because I think the hard part with Tyler was and once again like this isn’t shot to Jimmy but it’s like Tyler didn’t know what Jimmy he was getting in a certain game a lot of the time so like he would get the the playmaking Jimmy the one that really wasn’t putting his you know foot on the gas to try and score and then there was the games where where Jimmy just had it going and he was really trying to score and Tyler was just I felt like on a was always trying to play off what version of Jimmy he was getting where it’s a little different because Kevin Durant just plays the same every game like he plays his game no matter what and is playing that so I think Tyler could figure that as he goes but when you’re talking about two guys that are just scorers like that I think you can figure it out like we said with with Booker and Katie is the perfect example i mean not that they they want anything with that with that core but I’m just saying that in the style of figuring out an offense uh it just works i’m looking at I was I was mentioning some of the role players i mean they still evade with high to kind of be in this mix as a defensive you know piece i’m looking at if they were to not be able to resign DaVon uh Drew Smith was really coming into form before and and look we talked about Bam recruiting wasn’t Drew Smith a teammate of Kevin Durant like in Brooklyn so let’s let’s see if Drew Smith can make the call here and I know people are going to say “Well Drew is coming off a second major injury and he is.” But by all accounts uh I’ve heard he’s ahead of schedule on that and so uh and that doesn’t surprise me they the the guy that guy like there are guys who who want to be NBA players and contributors and that guy is one of them um and so he’s basically sold out in the best possible way on both of his rehabs and I I I do think he’s going to be a factor for them i also think Johnson in this mix could be important add another athlete um we’ll see where he is he didn’t get a lot of opportunity last year but they liked him enough to elevate him so you know I I do think there’s there could be an opportunity for him to kind of get into the back end of the rotation and again we’re not saying this is going to happen i want to make it clear on this and we’re probably jinxing it by doing the episodes by even uh considering what it might look like but that’s what we do here we need to consider what it might look like and uh you the final thing I’ll say on this is I understand again Phoenix did not win if you look this year at the numbers with Durant and Booker on the court and no Beiel and I’m going to put those on off the floor Durant and Booker worked fine durant and Booker worked fine that wasn’t the big problem the problem was the players that were added to it and particularly when they tried to make this like Beal Booker backcourt work and that was pretty much a disaster so uh again just something to consider here we’ll continue to monitor 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As we continue monitoring the latest developments in the Kevin Durant trade discussions, we predict what Durant would look like with the current core. Ethan Skolnick and Brady Hawk on Durant’s fit with Bam, with Herro and with the possible role players.

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