Why Desmond Bane Trade Signals MAJOR NBA Draft, Free Agency Action

Why Desmond Bane Trade Signals MAJOR NBA Draft, Free Agency Action

the magic trade for Desmond Bane The Grizzlies get a little worse now but will they get better long term we’ll talk about the KCP decision by Denver relitigated Plus how does this trade affect the Nuggets and yo where’s the Nuggets news at all this and more on Lockdown Nuggets You are Locked on Nuggets your daily Denver Nuggets podcast part of the Locked On podcast network your team every day Welcome into Locked on Nuggets your daily Denver Nuggets podcast part of the Locked On Network your team every day Thank you so much for tuning into this episode where we are going live every day all through the off seasonason trying to do our best to to cover this team as best we can My name is Ryan Blackburn host of the Locked on Nuggets podcast here also pickaxe and roll over with Mile High Sports He is Matt Moore who does the Denver Dig Substack at the Action Network and just a whole litany of other things as well as the HP basketball substack which is covering the league at large Uh today’s episode brought to you by FanDuel Right now new customers can get $200 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins Uh Matt when you heard the news today about Desmond Bane getting traded what was your first reaction that’s what it was If you go to youtube.comNuggets you’ll know what that was That was my first reaction Yeah because it was this is Dez is like my guy Dez is like my favorite Grizzly He’s like the he’s there’s so many reasons like the the way that he he came in as a shooter He was a knockdown shooter He’s a good defender He works on this handle in the offseason They go into in summer league and they’re like “Hey we want you to learn how to play with the ball in your hands.” And that’s all he does for three games And he’s great And he works on it He works on it all summer And he comes in he like becomes the secondary playmaker And then like they have the 2023 run And at the end of it after all of Jaw’s nonsense like Jaw and Dylan are talking trash constantly to the Lakers and then they get absolutely served and in doing so like Dylan and Jaws skip media and Jiren and Desmond get up there and they’re like “Yeah it was disappointing Yeah we got to play back.” Like took did the responsible thing Desmond Bane is my guy I want great things for him This is a perfect fit for him It is awesome Um I was like “Oh okay.” Okay so they they put more shoot more pure shooters around Zach Edi That’s what they did here So they can emphasize Zach Edi more Zach’s metrics are all very positive Um I don’t like I it’s one of those I don’t dislike the move in terms of this makes the the Grizzlies better or worse I dislike this move because I like Desmond Bane and I did not want him traded And so it’s a bummer that that that happened but this is a much better spot for him for Memphis There’s like three lines of thought right now across both the league and online media Um one is this signals a blow up It’s not true They’re not they’re not I don’t think I don’t think they’re unless Jawar comes to them and is like I’m not signing any extension I’m not signing him longer term I want out Unless that happens they’re keeping Jaw They’re going to use the picks that they acquired to clear more space so they can sign Jiren to the extension that he has due this summer and they’re going to build up around Jaw and Jiren and Zakiti and Jaylen Wells and then they’re going to go forward with that Um there is a thought that this could lead to another big move but my question would be like I don’t know what like you can add a third star but not for very long with the repeat Like you can’t pay that luxury tax in Memphis Like Memphis is one of the few franchises I will tell you just like yeah Robert Perah could pay it but it would significantly eat into it Like they do not generate revenue Like it’s it’s rough in Memphis and it’s Memphis and New Orleans are the two that I think it’s roughest for and so like they want regardless of whether they can or should because like I always think owners should pay like these should be like fun luxury items regardless of that like that’s not going to happen at all So with that said like um I don’t think that there’s a big third star coming I think this is just they’re going to move more pieces They’ll add like one or two components Luke Canard’s going to be gone Santi Alama will be gone in free agency They’ll reshuffle a couple of pieces and that’s it Man Santi Alama that’s a that’s a good interesting name Also Brandon Clark potentially a name that you would want to poach if they wanted to keep Santi Alama There’s there’s plenty of names I think over there of of good talented players that if they did decide to go the rebuild route or at least the retool route there are there are I think guys that could be helpful in a Nuggets rotation but uh from the Orlando side like you said unhappy for Desmond Bane I I think this is going to be great for him I I think this is Oh no I was happy for him This is a great spot We’re in alignment there Go ahead He he is going to be incredible next to Paulo and Fron I think he has the perfect player in Jaylen Suggs right now next to him to kind of take off most of that defensive pressure at the point of attack They’ve got big wings They’ve got good defense that he can be uh the versatile piece that he was Like I I look at Orlando and I look at I think they’ve got three guys that I can consider Yeah you could see each of them averaging 25 and five in this next season And to me having versatility having multiple options multiple answers I think that really makes sense And so in a year where Boston’s going to probably be out of it you never know what’s going to happen in the rest of the Eastern Conference why not go for it especially with a guy that is within your ballpark Like it’s not this isn’t Kevin Durant This isn’t uh Damen Lillard uh other names that have been talked about as veterans that are on the move Desmond Bane is a great young player who may not be an all-star but could be an all-star in Orlando I think that there’s no question that he could And he’s a guy that I think Nuggets fans have long envied because he was a player that they could have drafted twice in 2020 And I I wonder what that world looks like if they end up getting Desmond Bane in a Nuggets uniform Yeah I don’t Do you think there’s any value in doing that no It’s just me being miserable Yeah I just look you could have you could have picked Bane and he he like and he comes into practice and has a bad practice and then Malone always you know doesn’t play him or he doesn’t get along with one of the key guys or the agent has pro like there’s just like these things are always so complicated right it’s about opportunity um and situation and he was put in the right situation opportunity in Memphis to become the player that he was capable of becoming and maybe if Zeignie got traded somewhere else he’d be in that bear spot Um may and I’ve made this point and I do think it I do I do believe this I don’t think Nicole Joic becomes Nicole Joic everywhere in the NBA I think Nicole Joic becomes Nicole Joic most places in the NBA but there are a couple of like teams and coaches I would not have trusted like his development with the Nuggets were in the right position to give him the opportunity that they did And so you know I I get it I get it It’s always like man we could have could have had Desmond Bane I get it But like to be fair every single team in the league is like that Like Mavericks fans are another one that’s always like “We could have had Desmond Bane.” Um I think it’s a perfect fit for for Orlando It was great because I wrote about this that they you know they needed somebody who was the usage thing is so important It’s like you needed a guy who was going to make you better and you could put the ball in his hands but you didn’t have to Like the list of guys who can score that don’t need the ball Low not not shoot There’s a lot of guys that can shoot that don’t need the ball but a lot of guys that can score who don’t need the ball And that’s one um I think that you have to kind of go with Ken Gman says TC messed it up d not drafting Bane Yes but he kind of did well drafting Nicole Joic So there’s that also flipped RJ Hampton into the pick that got the Marin Gordon So Yeah So you know somebody kind of commented this makes me really big Honey was talking about how like oh he can’t get anything because it’s taken multiple picks to get something I get it but it’s like look all you need is you need one team to talk themselves into Michael Porter Jr or Jamal Murray That’s it And then you can you’ll be be able to get like a lot of assets for a big upgrade And if you’re like “Well I don’t want to break up the the core.” Okay well then that’s different right you need one team to be like “Yeah we really believe in Pton Watson.” I try to make this point on Twitter that just like we do this this thing where it’s like we expect there to be a market where it’s like “Oh X level player is worth Y level of picks.” And it’s just like not how it works It’s all individual transactions between two teams based off of what both teams have available and are willing to give up Like the Magic gave up a bunch of picks that are not going to be in the lottery that they can afford to because those picks were just going to turn and this was a big point by me years ago that I wish you know I will say like this this is the where the two timelines thing go sideways eventually just having picks turns into roster spots you can’t use That’s it Like that’s all these guys were going to be for Orlando was guys that they don’t have room in the rotation for and that that’s not helpful you I want to ask you about that though as you as like more somebody who’s a little bit more amenable to the young guys thing I think that it’s a good point because I think Orlando is already very close that you this is like a finishing move for your core This is the Aaron Gordon move you made that in you made that point in our chat uh earlier today and I think it was a salient one that they were in a unique position to do that because they had already established who their core was going to be and they needed this other piece in order to complete it Now they may not be done Uh there are some things like there’s a lot of people concerned about Jaylen Suggs being the point guard or not being the point guard that they need They could probably use an upgraded center at some point despite the fact that Wendell Carter Jr Goabatazi and a healthy Movagner is a really good center rotation Uh there there’s some other things that Orlando could probably do but they have the flexibility to make those finishing moves when the time comes but you need to make this move in order to be in position to make those other things So I I’m with you that giving up on draft capital is fine and and it could be good in some circumstances if you are just like what Denver should have done in retrospect rather than turning the 2029 first round pick into and a second round pick into three young guys They should have condensed that into one quality rotation player that they could trust night in and night out And that was I think the calculus error for a team that in a finishing scenario versus a team that’s developing or a team like Orlando that’s trying to make moves into that spot Okay let’s take a break When we come back we are going to chat about how this trade affects the Nuggets and kind of rehash the Contavius Caldwell Pope decision because he just wrapped up and is now a Memphis Grizzly We’ll be right back here on Locked on Nuggets You ever check into your bank account and wonder where did all my money go between dining out online shopping and entertainment it’s easy to lose track And that’s where Monarch Money comes in It’s your personal CFO giving you full visibility and control over your finances Monarch Money isn’t just a budgeting app It’s a complete 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Lock on Nuggets All right we are back Locked on nuggets Thank you so much for tuning into the show Thanks for making Locked On your first listen Make your second listen the 2025 locked on NBA mock draft a five episode series with the most comprehensive NBA draft analysis from NBA experts to college experts and NBA draft experts Find the 2025 lockdown on NBA mockdraft on NBA bigboard and locked on NBA on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts We’re back here Uh thanks for tuning into the show So this trade it’s not too like it’s not too dissimilar from the male Bridges trade last year for me in terms of hey a team finds an opportunity they see themselves as very close Throw the picks Don’t break up your core Just try to add to it and make the best that you can and try to capitalize on what’s a wideopen Eastern conference Uh the West doesn’t really feel that wide open right now Matt It it feels like OKC has pretty much a strangle hold on this thing You’ve made the argument that that’s not necessarily the case going forward and they’re going to have to make some decisions that might make them worse going forward at various points But I just wonder how this trade affects the Nuggets how this trade kind of affects the trade landscape around the NBA Could we see more player movements a massive amount of player movement like is advertised i mean first off Ryan how you can’t you like I get it buddy Um because you got like a fatalism streak because OKC is in the division and they’re like the team that I feel like most NBA Twitter heads want their team to be like draft super young and be hyper athletic and all young guys all the time and like they’re like that and they’re they’re all dogs but like come on man they’re in a two two series like they they they may not even win the finals I think they will but like we can back off of the most dominant talk like they’re not gonna like this team’s beatable I just disagree I I flat out disagree and that’s fine but like they went seven with this crappy Denver team and then have gone and then are going to a game six at least with Indie Man they’re again it’s a youth you you hate the youths You understand that the youths are are pretty weak overall in terms of being in these situations before not knowing but they’re going to get better They’re going to get more veteran That’s they have this experience and it’s going to make them uh a stronger team going forward At least that’s my my perspective So I think they’re learning a lot about themselves and they are going to keep adding to that group that I think the argument that I heard from somebody was that they are the most wellpositioned team in professional sports right now which like that that’s a statement but I don’t think it’s that crazy And I think you’re you’re zagging on this when there’s a lot of people that think that they are just in a really great spot Yeah there’s a lot of people that think that are very just like there’s a lot of people that thought the Celtics were There’s a lot of people that thought the Nuggets were I We’ll see I think that there the one of the things that’s weird about this is I do think Memphis kind of downgrades now Like Memphis is further from contention so they’re not like a force in the West We’ll see what Minnesota does but they’re going to probably lose Nas Reed Could they get better it’s gonna be tough So if Minnesota doesn’t get better and Memphis has gotten worse for right now Okay Okay See sure Who else like I think San Antonio is a team that you’re going to have to start talking about I think Houston will be a team that gets genuinely better next year I mean it depends If they don’t get an off if they don’t get a legit offensive number one they’re not going to get any better on offense You know you don’t think their young guys will be able to step up and handle that i think a man is two years from being that guy I think Amen is two years from it Okay Um getting Stephen Adams back on that deal was a very good discount Crazy but also fantastic for them But look KCP is a good is still a good player It you know I I am willing to throw out the season for KCP No player had a good season offensively for Orlando There’s a lot of criticisms about the offense that’s coming both internally and externally about how it was structured and how it was built They had injuries So like I don’t think Casey P’s wash I think I just think he had a bad season I think he can have a bounceback year Um I do want to ask you though given that he was part of a trade that wind up landing Desmond Bane I mean I feel like we’ve covered this pretty well but what’s your feeling on the KCP decision a year later so one of the arguments for not keeping him was that the second apron was going to be so taxing it was going to be so difficult it was going to be so prohibitive that they weren’t going to be able to do anything and it was going to be a problem and then they didn’t have any flexibility yada yada yada They didn’t make any moves during the season anyway man Like they didn’t have any flexibility anyway So why didn’t you bite the bullet why didn’t you just sign him why didn’t you uh just retain the asset with the hope that like he has a better season in Denver like continues to have that chemistry with the Nuggets and you don’t lose a major piece that clearly they it would have been nice to have another 3 and D wing to go into the OKC series with like like you talked about Maybe OKC isn’t the juggernaut if they’re having KCP guard them Uh so I don’t know It’s it’s something that has been clanking around to the head a little bit since last week and now this kind of hits home Denver doesn’t have any tradable salary because they’re unwilling or unable to trade Michael Porter and Jamal Murray They’re not going to trade Aaron Gordon They won’t trade Nicole Joic So trading KCP would have been a good call for Denver this offseason but they don’t have that opportunity because they didn’t do it Grace says “I’d rather have to find a KCP salary dump than a Zeke one.” I think that’s a pretty fair point Yeah Um because I do think Memphis like values Casey Like Memphis got two rotation guys They got a a two guard who can play on the wing with Jaylen Wells and is going to help make him better and a backup point guard Like they got they got guys that that will play for them What’s uh what’s Scotty Pippen gonna be doing probably playing in combo sets with Cole feeding the ball to Zack Edi in the post That’s what he’ll be doing Man that’s quite a gig he’s got Yeah Um you know at the time I’ll say this I under I want to cop to something I under reported on the MPJ stuff or the KCP stuff at the time because for me a lot of it was understanding the impact that the CBA was having on all teams and what I was hearing from a lot of different people in personnel groups across the league at that time which is like the flexibility and like you got to keep this open and like look look really look at what we can’t do like we can’t you know we won’t be able to do this and we won’t be able to do this and they didn’t wind up using that flexibility anyway and you don’t gain flexibility to automatically use it I think that’s like that’s a fair push back is like you want the option That doesn’t mean like you’re committed to doing it I don’t think you always have to be getting better at the deadline Like people made this argument when the Thunder were down 10 in game four and I was losing my mind where I was like they won 68 games They have the best point in NBA history It’s fine Like at some point your team has to be good enough Like there’s got to be a level that you’re like this is good enough I don’t think Denver was at that right and they should have tried but they couldn’t because they thought their assets were going to be better than they were But the bigger thing though is that if we look at minute aotment I think their idea was Christian Brown can take this minute aotment from KCP and the subsequent minutes can’t matter that much like we get the we save the money on KCP we get Christian a bigger opportunity and what would have been if you’d flipped them the KCP minutes without Christian or KCP minutes with Christian aren’t valuable enough to justify the expenditure and loss of flexibility I think that was the real thing from the team and the ownership group Now I know it’s an ownership thing by the way because that’s the exact way they run the head coaching in front office Now I think you can look at this year’s data and probably go back and say there’s a reason why your stagger units went from being elite to negative There’s a reason why your defense went from being pretty good to dog poo in a very small can Like there’s all these reasons why that but that to me was the proposition of can Christian Brown replace KCP and these other minutes we can find with either development or whatever but they can’t be that important and that was I think the miscalculation was it was the combo minutes of KCP and Christian or the minutes without Christian with KCP that they would have had Yeah it’s not surprising especially if they were trying to recreate 2023 in a lot of ways Like they had an eight-man playoff rotation in 2023 They didn’t need that much from from those guys They just needed the top eight to be as good as they could So I it doesn’t surprise me that they went that route and that that’s kind of the way that they envisioned it But as we’ve seen in the this modern NBA with Indiana and OKC having 9 10 11 12 guys does really matter Uh and Hurricane does make this this point Save the money on KCP Only cost us 10 million more on the CV contract It’s probably right Like you you’re going to pay that forward to somehow Sick All right let’s take another break When we come back we’re going to talk about Hey Russell Westbrook opted out That’s interesting news But there’s not been a lot of other Nuggets news out there We’re going to talk 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effectively said that that Russ’s Instagram report like comments about year 18 loading whatever suggest that he’s not going overseas Like I’ll just say he hasn’t gotten one offer to go overseas He’s gotten multiple offers to not offers Let me walk that back He’s gotten multiple points of interest not formal contract offers to go overseas Um the Nuggets were not surprised that he opted out They were expecting him to opt out It doesn’t close the door to him returning It doesn’t mean that he’s automatically back Uh this is not one of those yeah he’s going to opt out because it’s smarter for him and he’ll just make more money and blah blah blah um if they have to make if they have to pay in the taxpayer a little exception because they haven’t found anybody else that’s where this becomes a disaster Like that’s really like what this gets into is like I may I will skip the show and just let Ryan cry on air if he signs for the taxpayer mid-level exception Ryan I will not be on that show with you Yeah I’m just I might skip the show too frankly at this point That’s uh we we’ll just have welcome to locked on nuggets and it’s a blank microphone Um yeah so we’ll we’ll see what happens there But I I do think like look this is about maximization of limited resources and that would just be another way that Denver has fumbled the bag Um I think they they have like that’s they got very lucky that Bruce Brown was the tax the first taxpayer mid-level guy that they had to sign Um I think that like look a lot of this is kind of like secondary in part due to the fact that we still don’t know about the general manager stuff Uh there’s at least a nonzero chance that we’re getting like a 9:00 a.m announcement tomorrow morning Uh that just wouldn’t surprise me at all that it’s I thought we were getting it on Friday I thought they were going to news dump it Yeah I think that they they they are very familiar with the concept of a Friday afternoon news dump and would like to probably put that out on Monday morning instead Uh but we’ll see what ultimately comes from that because like starting tomorrow it’ll be nine days away from the NBA draft and we did the show last week about hey time to let’s let’s kick it into gear Let’s go And uh and still nothing has come out Uh is all of this on hold from Denver because they just like don’t have a GM yet this stuff being what like all like usually you you hear news rumors free agency stuff things leaking from from folks I I don’t like we haven’t heard anything about Denver trying to sign free agents Yeah Uh Yeah So that’s because Denver’s at the bottom of the list H So my understanding is that there will probably be additions that are going to be veteran free agent signings Think Justin Holidayiday Not that specific name but like that level of player and name is what Denver is going to be looking to add And they might get some guys that you’re like “Hey he’s good.” And they might get some guys you’re like “Really?” So you know I would keep your expectations low I think that they’ll try and get a few of those guys I think obviously if Russ comes back um like that the money is just it’s just gonna be difficult right like that’s the this is the whole thing is if if you let KCP walk to stay out of the second apron and you basically have to go into the second apron to get two minimum guys and resign Russ It’s a quantifiable disaster with no like way out I I don’t think that they’re going to have to go into the second apron First of all they can’t sign the taxpayer mid-level and like go into the second apron Those things are mutually exclusive Uh so they would have to stay under if they were to use that thing Um but like that would probably involve finding another situation for Daario Sar That would probably involve finally finding a taker for Zeke Nagi There’s there’s some things on the fringe that they’re going to have to do Maybe it’s getting Hunter Tyson to like be folded into a deal so they could just sign a minimum contract in his place Things like that But there there are things that they can do on the margins But like you said bottom of the barrel bottom of the list This is this is where Denver currently resides because they believe that they are good enough and are unwilling to really change I thought you were in a better place You sound very frustrated tonight It it is this Desmond Bane trade like it it’s just nice to be able to talk about something interesting Uh and other teams that are willing and able to go for it Denver’s just not able to to go for it again Like they are I I don’t think that they have a lot of upward mobility to like really get that p that piece that’s going to jumpstart them again against a lot of these other teams in the NBA Um maybe I’m wrong Maybe like maybe the the signs were there in that Thunder series and they’re just going to be good enough and they they can find that rhythm again They can find that that gear again I I do think you got to re I do think that that all Nugget any Nuggets fan that’s aligned with Ryan I would say you probably got to recalibrate in terms of like look you won 50 games you took the one seed to seven you showed a gear higher That Clipper series was really impressive like they are not just like a squad like they’re in the mix I think and we we you and I kind of talked about this and we’ll we’ll get into this I think a little bit more this week of exactly how much the Nuggets need to improve by Ryan and I both kind of agreed after looking at some math They need to get to 54 wins That’s the gap They’re at 50 They need to win 54 games Like if they get to 54 games and they feel more like a contender you’ll feel better Yes probably So um but again if we’re talking about is there any scenario in which they is there any scenario in which they keep the current roster and the current roster just plays better young guys develop the veteran guys play better and you just feel better about it or is it got to be changed i don’t think they have the right mix right now So I don’t think that that’s going to like unless Pton Watson really makes a jump unless Julian Strawler makes a real jump Unless hey Christian Brown’s now like doing stuff off the dribble or or things like that Maybe Jamal Murray finally plays like an all-star in the regular season then like maybe maybe there’s maybe there’s layers to this that could kind of change my perspective I just don’t really expect that to happen And I it it makes it makes it sound like I’m beating a dead horse over and over and over again And I hate that because I don’t want to do that But I keep coming back to this unfortunate reality that Denver’s just stuck Like they there’s not a lot that they can do to shift if they want to How much it like is it correct to say that much of this is rooted in your frustration with their refusal to entertain breaking up the core Yeah Because if we’re talking about this being a financial burden that they’ve put themselves under well there’s just only so much like people are complaining ad nauseium about Zeke Nagi making $8 million That’s not the problem Like it’s just not The problem is that you’ve got 150 million or whatever tied up into four guys and that’s just like if if you do not believe that those four are going to be the best core four in the entire NBA then you’re probably not going to win And that’s like unfortunate because I I just don’t think that they’re going to get the help from the rest of the roster that other teams will because they have more financial flexibility more resources more things that they can throw at it Maybe this is interesting We should talk about more about this this week Uh if you’re looking for Nuggets news we’re st I do think we’re stuck until they they hire a a PO and it’s going to be we’re Sun’s getting real low um on that kind of idea We’ll see what happens this week with that All right Well hey everybody That is going to do it for this episode of Lockdown Nuggets I promise I will be more positive on the next episode We’ll be back on Tuesday night It’s going to happen We’re going to make it happen It’s going to be great Thank you so much for listening to this particular episode Hit that like button Hit that subscribe button on the way out We will talk to you guys very soon He’s lying

No Jinx returns on Sunday night with a reaction to the Desmond Bane trade for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and four first round picks. Matt and Ryan discuss the deal, how it affects the Nuggets, and why there’s been little Nuggets news lately.

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