Kings Offseason Moves, Direction Of the Organization – June 10: The Insiders + D-Lo & KC
oh good dog Oh I have to do uh I have to do a tweet Um join us Morning Shhatty House Good morning everybody Russ got the belt today Nice job Russ Uh all right Hi everyone Good morning Good morning Good morning Hi David What’s up What did I just tee John Pauls good morning from Iceland Oh Oh Well uh what’s up Warren Oh what’s up West Sack Drew down Hello everyone Hello Spencer Filthy Mcnasty in Spencer the house Hi Spencer Hi John Great to day too All right What’s good Uh this chai I ordered from Nick’s Roasting Co Oh is this the new uh the new daily Okay It’s where I just I like to switch up the routine a little bit sometimes and so I just pop in there and I get a little work done Yeah cuz you were you were later than normal Yeah Today But I was over there at like 8 sitting there for a little bit Okay Hop in the rundown Run over to Trader Joe’s which across the street Grab my salad Come Yeah Salute Yeah I came in You were already I I was the first one here which is unusual I got here like 8 Hi Matt 44 Hi Loki Loki trickster It’s my Friday today so I hopped right out of bed What up Katrina Taco Toad day Oh well Hey whatever you’re into Whoa We don’t shame That’s too much What’s up the other James TMI What’s up Saurin Jason Did I already say hi to Drew What’s up Drew Alex Smith behind the scenes Good morning everybody Hello Hello Hello That’s James Ham I’m Kyle Mads and Joe Brazil is behind the glass The chatty house at youtube.com/aspn1320 is already cooking We’re sponsored by Jiffy Lube and we’re hanging out with you until noon Uh good morning everybody on 1320 a.m and 98.5 FMHD2 Of course YouTube and Twitch at youtube.com/ ESPN1320 and twitch.tv/esbn1320 We have the free Odyssey app That’s a free app where you can listen to this radio station along with a bunch of other awesome Odyssey content music podcasts all that jazz But search ESPN 1320 favorite that station and then you can listen to us uh live anywhere in the world There it is on the free Odyssey app the James Ham and Kyle Madson show That’s the podcast Please subscribe Even Even if you listen live subscribe to the pod That way if you miss anything you can easily access the show Joe works very hard to get those podcasts up for you Yeah Anyways um the Chatty House is undefeated It’s just cooking today Just you’re just ridiculous I thought the tow jokes would go through yesterday No no no no no The great tow jokes They continued today It’s my Oh my just spilled garbage all over the place Anyways great start to the program It’s my Friday today guys That’s why I’m a little bit Fridayish today Are you Yeah I’m going on this trip with my dad This is really cool Yeah And and I’ve talked about this before but we’re going to Wrigleyfield and Fenway Park Okay We’re knocking them out in so fly to Chicago hit a game at Wrigley fly to Boston hit a game at Boston come home I’ve been to Wrigley but I haven’t been to Fenway and I haven’t caught a game at Wrigley I did the tour right And the tour is unbelievable And it turns out they do a tour on game days but it’s a limited version of the tour that you did Okay So you like walk around the concourse and you get access to a couple of places but not not nearly as as in-depth as the one you did Okay So really really excited for this trip We’ve been talking about it for like 10 years And the impetus was hey if they decide to tear down Wrigley Field Yep and rebuilt they did it with old Yankee Stadium right Yep Tore down Yankee Stadium just built a new one If they decide to do that tickets at Wrigley Field are going to be impossible to get and we’re going to lose out on this opportunity to go watch a baseball game at this place we’ve never been So we decided to just do Wrigley and Fenway back toback Knock it out at once Legitimately we’ve been talking about this for like 10 years and we finally lined it up and this year we went “All right we’re doing these days these days and we’re uh we’re really excited about it.” I have some questions for you guys though Okay one here’s what do I wear Because here’s my plan The weather’s going to be the weather’s going to be warm It’s not like I need jackets So my plan is I’m going to wear I have the Kelly Green Oakland jersey that I’m going to wear with a I have a Cubs hat and a Red Sox hat Okay And I’ll I’ll that way I’m participating in the ballpark culture but I’m not posing as a fan which is really my my greatest concern is I don’t want to come across like “Oh hey I’m a Red Sox fan.” They’re like “No I’ll wear the hat while I’m while I’m there Red Sox Yankees So I’m going to I’m going to tap in with the Red Sox hat Okay Okay So I think that if I were to go to a Cubs game I would go spend some cash on a Ernie Banks jersey Oo I had not even considered this Yeah Just like you know what I’m going to go full nostalgia You could do Sanberg or Grace but No I don’t You know you could do a Ron jersey No I don’t Come on Ron that’s crazy You do a Ferguson Jenkins jersey Uh Rick Suckliffe jersey No I would go full Ernie Banks Fergie Jenkins would be fire Yeah I would cop that Little Billy Williams Fergie Jenkins autograph that sits behind me in the Oh nice Oh yeah It’s my brother It’s my brother That’s yours It’s in your It’s in your Zoom background Yeah Yeah It’s in my I claim all of those baseballs now Sure Yeah Uh so that’s my plan But I like I kind of like that idea I had not considered just buying a Uh because you’re you’re wearing a Cubs jersey but it’s got throwback It’s a historic thing Yeah that’s so that’s what I would go I would go full historic And then okay when you go to Boston you could do a Wade Bogs or Ted Williams Or you could do a Ted Williams Ted Williams One of my favorite Jim Rice you know Yeah Yeah Dwight Evans U Why can’t I think of his name Only guy to hit a grand slam allar game Fred Lynn Oh Fred Lynn Yeah Yeah Yeah Fred Lynn You could do Bill Nixon You could be Bill Buckner just to mess with people No come on I’m not going to do all that I’m not doing all that Yeah I think I’m going to go if I find a historic jersey maybe that’s the route I’ll go Okay But I’m not wearing an active player jersey while I’m there I’m not I’m not pulling up to a to a Cubs game in a Pete Crow Armstrong jersey you know Yeah but you’re having an awesome year But he’s a good player though Yeah he’s really good I might get one of those You could probably show up though and find stuff you know nearby or or just somewhere at a nice shop in in Chicago Oh I thought you meant like a street vendor jersey Oh that would be fun $20 for a jersey Yeah I’ll cop that Okay here’s the other question I have Should we watch all nine innings from our seats or do we do some ballpark meandering and just kind of get a different perspective I would get there at least an hour early Oh yeah We’re going to get there like maybe an hour as soon as it’s open Yeah And then do the wandering then And then when you’re there I would sit and hang out in my seats because like when you go to like I went to Old Yankee Stadium before it was blown up Um and you know they do the calls like to all the players Mhm You don’t want to miss any of the crazy stuff that happens inside the stadium because there you know we all know like in in Oakland there used to be the drums and and all that stuff or you know but when you’re at like some of the older parks they’ve had you know decades and decades and decades of you know doing something specific during warm-ups and stuff Wrigley you want to make sure you are butt in seat for the seventh inning stretch Yeah of course Like that’s so so that’s why I I it feels like we’re going to do some wandering before and then once we’re in our seats we’re in our seats Yeah that’s probably the move because we’re not buying multiple seats We’re not going to try and sneak down Not going to go to Red Sox Yankees and try and find an open seat somewhere That’s great Okay You’re not either either that or you’re not going to sit in the in the bleachers and try to catch a home run or or uh Yeah No probably not Okay No we haven’t We’re going to do the like day of ticket thing Yeah Yeah Just cuz why not Yeah It’s available to us Um this is a really fun thing It’s my first time at a at a really historic park I was trying to count I think it’s 10 and 11 for me on my on the ballparks I’ve been to Okay I’ve been to all the California ones That’s A’s Giants Dodgers Angels Padres’s Been to all five of those And I’ve hit Arizona when I live down there I’ve been to the old Rangers Stadium the ballpark in Arlington Yep I’ve been to New Yankee Stadium That’s eight Okay And then I’ve been to Citizens Bank Park Philly Stadium Random I should have taken more time to go to some of these parks because like I’ve been to Chicago I’ve been to Boston Um the only one I’ve caught a game in is New York I’ve been to Toronto while you know covering the finals and there’s literally Blue Jays games going on and the stadiums right down the street Yeah All I had to do is walk over and get a ticket and walk in There’s still time James Yeah Maybe I’ll do a tour like a bunch of parks but Oh yeah You kind of have to like you’re doing with you’re going with your dad Like my dad’s not a baseball fan and like my son my oldest is but we’d be more probably like go to England and go catch a bunch of like old soccer stadiums like go to Old Trafford uh where uh Manchester place Okay but that’s not the thing We’re talking about going to baseball stadium So just do that instead I know It’s much less cumbersome than getting to England I promise Yeah but once you’re there it’s hard to go to a bunch of places I think it’s the most historic place I’ll ever watch games at Wrigley and Fenway both Yeah Like I’ve been in Candlestick Park but I never watch baseball at Candlestick Park I don’t watch football there Yeah It’s a historic stadium and all and all that jazz I saw Rick Rushel throw a two-h hitter against the Mets and like nice I don’t like when the Mets were great Like it was probably 87 88 Sure So I’d never watched baseball there but I’ve been to a bunch of football games there I’ve seen obviously the Coliseum is is historic but not in the way that Wrigley and Fenway are And then all the other ballparks were were relatively new Arizona San Diego Dodger Stadium That was cool because I’ve seen like so much baseball history has happened to Dodger Stadium And so it was just cool It was like seeing a celebrity kind of where you’re sitting in the stands and you’re going “Wow this is a view I’ve seen on TV hundreds of times.” That’s what going to Old Yankee Stadium was like Yeah I bet Yeah we didn’t even do like the tour of this stuff but we had gone to the Hall of Fame earlier in the trip So kind of got that out of the way So that’s what I’m up to over the next few days That’s why today is my Friday But yesterday we’re going to talk we’ve got coming up in a bit We’ve got some Well James has a King’s trade idea Yeah If you listen to this program you know we love a King’s trade idea I had one yesterday James got one today Uh some news from Brian Windhorse that the offseason is going to pick up maybe quicker than normal and be busier than normal We’ll uh we’ll dive into that and some other NBA news And the 49ers begin mandatory mini camp today I want to I want to uh toss that in as well at some point But we have to start with the A’s That’s not a thing we typically do on this program but the A’s have the best defensive center fielder in baseball He’s turning into that very quickly If you’ve not been following the name Denzel Clark should be on your radar because he made an unbelievable catch in Toronto where he robbed a home run last week Mhm Then he came home and you probably saw the amazing catch he made against the Orioles where he covered 300 ft or whatever insane number it was and then made the grab as he crashed into the wall Just an incredible like oneofone type of catch The type of catch where you go well man he’s not going to top that one And then he did If you’re listening on the radio this call is courtesy of the FanDuel Sports Network Here it is Oh and Showell with a fly ball left center field Denzel Clark racing back He’s all the way back He’s at the wall He climbs it He caught it I can’t believe it Denzel Clark with a sensational catch How did he do it Look at this face Look at Shaunell’s face The disbelief Can you imagine You’re a Major League Baseball player All right You tag a ball and you’re like “That’s out I hit a home run.” Oh yeah Tack one onto my total I’m going to make a little money Come on That’s a homer And then Denzel Clark climbs This is ridicul This wasn’t you know sometimes people go “Oh he robbed a home run.” And you’re going “I don’t know if that was going to go over It might not have even been a home run.” Yeah I don’t think that was out Yeah And then there’s times where the guy kind of like leaps and and like gets it and and it’s just barely going to clear the wall but Okay Yeah He leaped to Denzel Clark straight up climbs the wall Look at this He gets his whole entire upper body If you’re if you’re listening on the radio he has a hand on top of the fence And you’ve probably seen this by now by the way MLB tweeted out the highlight It had 11,000 retweets which is just insane Engagement I went through the only other videos with more than a thousand retweets were different replays of this catch Oh my goodness From MLB he has I I saw a number His glove is 11.3 feet off the ground Oh no way He has his hand on top of the wall And again if you haven’t seen this yet I I cannot stress enough Google Denzel Clark and it’s going to be articles about to catch Just click on one The video will be there His his waist is at the top of the wall Yeah How tall is the wall Uh wall’s got to be eight feet Yeah probably Yeah Seven or eight feet Yeah I I almost want to see what it looks like when he when he’s like approaching the wall Well Denzel Clark is 6’4 Yeah The crazy that’s that’s that wall’s got to be 8t tall Yeah it’s got to be an 8 foot tall So he leaps and gets his hand on top of the wall and then has his backhand is able to track the ball while leaping and grabbing the wall Yeah And then snags it Reaching out Reaching out He’s in like jump man almost position Yeah As he catches this baseball He stayed up there too Like it’s not like he had to wait for a second He had to wait for a second up there Well that and he snared it once he’s there That’s the thing Yes How many time we’ve seen people climb the wall before and they just miss it right Yeah Yeah Yeah This is just You won’t And it then almost falls over the wall Oh yeah It’s like he’s laying down on top of the wall Yeah His hips are on the wall It’s just an I I saw this yesterday and you see it live and you’re like “Man what?” Yeah Wow that was a nice That was a nice guy And then you see the replays and it just doesn’t It’s legit I I I don’t This wasn’t like “Wow great play.” This is legitimately maybe the best catch you’ll ever see Yeah It It’s crazy too It goes in the conversation for best catch you’ll ever see Yeah especially best uh home run going over the fence Yeah So the thing that um like they brought him up and when they did again we talked about it like I I they should have pinch hit for him like last weekend when they’re losing games and stuff Not not a great hitter He’s he’s not a great hitter yet He’s he’s got a lot of work to do on that end And for that matter he’s really raw as a fielder cuz he’s made a couple of errors already and and not throwing errors He’s made a couple of errors on balls where he should have been able to scoop clean and he doesn’t Kind of Eric Burnsesque Yeah Yeah But there is uh like a a ceiling that you have no idea what it is as a fielder And that’s where you get these plays here where it’s just absolutely crazy over-the-top greatness So I’m here for it Yeah man The the talent is just is out of control So again if we’re looking for silver linings he has lost seven to four by the way But if you’re looking for silver linings they might have the best most exciting defensive center fielder in baseball Yeah And the best young shorts stop in the in Major League Baseball is still batting 366 after going 0 for four Like they they’ve got a lot of potential And they brought BL up and put him in left field and all of a sudden their defensive outfield is spectacular with with Lawrence Butler and and with Clark in center Yeah interesting stuff They’ve got to get better though Yeah I’m a little worried about Denzo Clark as a hitter and whether he can stay up but man even as a defensive replacement in center for the last couple innings because the A’s like if when you have a pitching staff that can’t get outs Yeah Having defenses that create outs matters Like a big reason their their pitching staff struggles is because defensively they haven’t been good Nope They’ve been actually putrid really really bad defensively Yeah And if you have you have guys who are who are not making outs that you’re throwing and then also not creating outs you’re going to have a really really hard time And Denzo Clark last night I mean that’s that’s a home run that turns into an out Yep That’s that’s legit Their defensive run saved as a stat That’s one defensive run saved There it is You got one Just saw it happen Now let’s make up for the other 40ome Do you know how do you know how sick a catch has to be to like permeate the national consciousness It’s crazy for for for the Today Show or Good Morning America Oh yeah my wife text say to show a catch Catch is on the on the the Today Show by the A’s Yeah by a guy named Denzo Clark and not by Aaron Judge or Show Otani Oh yeah Not that Show Otani would catch because he doesn’t play defense But there it is That was for you Joe I really I said a mean thing about my favorite player in the league Just for you I really appreciate that Funny Anyways uh we’ve got a ton of NBA stuff to get into today James Ham has a trade idea and we’re going to get into that Brian Windhorst says the off season is going to get messy fast We’ll talk about that And the 49ers begin mandatory mini camp today Things to take away things to watch And that’s it That’s all I got That’s all I got 49ers mini camp James trade idea That’s a lot of teases Tap insiders Jify Loop Joe get me out of here Goodness gracious Zoinks Zoinks Ballers games are so fun We went to a game last year where it was the seventh inning and there had not been a ground out because the Pioneer League So they’re just trying to mash Oh yeah They’re just And the way they don’t do extra innings in the Pioneer League Oh they do a home run derby Oh that’s awesome dude MLB needs to adopt that tomorrow I I’m I’m so serious Yeah the whole starting the guy at second like the ghostr runner thing is weird I don’t I don’t hate it to the point that I’m I’m like “Wow I’m gonna turn off baseball.” But it’s so It’s weird because what do you do You You can’t like add it to Don’t they get one run If the run scores it doesn’t go on your RA Yeah it’s unearned But you can lose the game without technically giving up a run Like I I don’t know how you even manage like what happens to the run It’s just don’t I don’t I get why they did it They’re trying to keep the 16 17 18 inning games off the but yeah I miss sitting there at 900 p.m there not a lot going on and all the all of a sudden you look down and the and the Rangers and the Royals are in the 17th inning I Dude I loved it I missed that so much Same And it saves pitchers I got time of game because that you get four five hour games where now all of a sudden like it’s it’s shifting the the average time length of game which they wanted to drop or whatever I I don’t just do the home run derby dude If you’re going to do something like bastardizing the sport by throwing a player on second base who didn’t earn it then just Hey uh let’s see We’re going to have Jung Hulie and uh Freddy Freeman you guys Oh I don’t know if that’d be fair but I don’t know I was just I uh We’ll take I’ll do Matt Chapman against Freddy Freeman Oh now we’re talking There you go That’s the problem though The Giants they they can’t get a guy to hit 30 home runs I don’t think we’d do good in the home run derby I think it’d be fun Maybe like five swings for three different dudes Line them up almost like taking PKs Yeah why not Yeah So supposedly if it’s a tie in the All-Star game that’s how they’re going to do it right Is I swear I read that yesterday I hope so Have you heard about that I don’t think so I am looking at this Isaiah Harkenstein uh wearing a debtless shrimp uh Sonics jersey That’s sick Uh Wilson how were the LA shows I meant to ask you a long time ago That soup that fur looks delicious It looks so good So good Um yeah I tend to agree with this I’m interested whenever Seattle gets a team back because that just is a thing that’s going to happen It feels like it Do they do the Charlotte Bobcat/Hornets thing where Cuz the Hornets Yeah the Sonics like history will go back I believe Yes that has to be the case Yeah Yeah I hope so Now back to the insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 All right we’re talking a lot about the NBA offseason 49ers started mini camp today We’ll we’ll talk about that too But part of the reason we’re we’re hitting the NBA off season so hard is because once the finals end it starts Mhm And Brian Winhorse on ESPN today on First Take had this to say about the upcoming NBA offseason because it doesn’t sound like teams are going to slow play what they’re doing this summer The NBA offseason is going to happen fast faster than normal the NBA offseason is going to happen faster than normal Okay Um she she’s she’s working on patience with you Stephen A That’s what she said with that Um no I wasn’t talking about you but when I did read the Mel Robbins book Let Them I did think of you Okay I think the majority of the action in this off season is going to occur around the draft Typically we get most of the action between June 30th and about July 3rd I think this year because it’s not really free agent year It’s gonna and there’s gonna be Okay that’s the worst clip that’s ever been played on this radio station I’m so sorry everybody I mean how do you my god how do you interrupt a guy and say it’ll be earlier Like he’s in the middle of explaining holy crap a big thing about how sucks They are going to like we’re going to see a really really early trade season and to have him just like interrupt in the middle of the guys like trying to announce that it’ll be earlier That was insane Brian Windhorse is trying to say something real on first take and Molly and Stephen A are bickering about something and Stephen A can’t wipe that look off his face No And then interrupts Wendy How dare you sir That’s right Anyways Brian Winhor said the NBA offseason if you if you missed it there he said that the the NBA offseason is going to happen faster than normal said “Shams has cleared his calendar and he’s preparing to work his hardest around the draft You’re going to get your action very soon.” And that’s I’ve thought man I thought the opposite would happen because you’ve got Kevin Durant very very likely on the move Would be stunned if he’s not And while he doesn’t move the needle the way he did 10 years ago he’s he’s not a low-level player No But I also I don’t feel like he’s the guy who’s going to hold up the trade deadline because wasn’t it Jimmy Butler is who kind of like everyone was waiting to see what was going to happen on Jimmy Butler and that was holding up a bunch of other things I don’t think that Kevin Durant is is part of that anymore No but I think there will be a lot of teams in on him where that could be a significant trade where once that is off the table and maybe the Rockets and the Spurs and maybe Golden State and maybe Minnesota are all trying to get Kevin Durant okay he goes to Houston or or San Antonio and all of a sudden all these other teams start working on other stuff Giannis is the one that could hold up the market because Yes And this is what this is why it’s interesting because if Giannis hems and haws on whether he wants out or not and the Bucks are like we’re not getting rid of him and then Giannis in late June goes hey you know what I want out now all of a sudden that kickstarts everything So for me what the Bucks are doing or not doing with Giannis is going to determine a lot of what happens this offseason But also I think there’s going to be so much movement that the Giannis thing doesn’t necessarily freeze everything Because the Rockets would be in play for sure right Yep You You would think the Spurs would theoretically be in play but also the Spurs and Rockets might go “Hey we kind of like what we’re doing here We don’t want to they want everything to be Giannis which makes sense and we don’t want to uproot our team.” Yeah I kind of feel like if Giannis is getting traded it’s going to be one of those deals that like it doesn’t look right in the beginning and it doesn’t look right 5 years down the road Like you you’re just going to have such a difficult time getting value When I look at the the difference though between Giannis and Kevin Durant you’re you’re basically looking at like a almost 37y old in Durant versus a 30-year-old in Giannis And I to be honest with you I I think at this point Durant is is just nowhere near the the quality of player that Antumbo is right And so you’re you’re basically I think one of them is going to cost you because of the contract because he’s only under contract for one year might cost you one or two first round picks and a bunch of salary to match And that’s where you have to really you know again if you’re San Antonio like you’re you’re buying a one-year rental and you’re going to have to give up Deon Bell you’re going to have to give up Kell Johnson you’re going to have to give up Harrison Barnes Sure You’re going to have to gut all of your depth in order to make that move And who even knows if he wants to stay there long term I mean I would assume once you got there he’d sign a two-year extension You’re saying what’s long term That’s two years and he’s not ascending No he’s going to be 37 And sure I I think it would work Mhm But but work to what extent Yeah that and and if you’re going to extend him and then all a sudden women’s contract’s coming up you’re going to have to think long and hard about what you’re going to do with Dear Fox whether you’re going to get Fox Well I think you have to especially when you land the number two pick Mhm The the right move for the Spurs is probably to not extend Fox and to not trade for Kevin Durant and to build with the number two pick in the draft and make savvy moves to improve your roster Sure And then you know use some draft capital to improve your roster but look at two three years down the road Yeah That’s probably the best bet for the San Antonio Spurs It’s not to go out and get a Kevin Durant and and try to win something this year because I I don’t even know if you’re going to be able to piece something together Yeah you could trade for Kevin Durant and maybe make the playoffs Yeah Is that if that’s what they want to do just to get back there like okay but I think teams are going to look at because copycat leagues right Mhm I think teams are going to look at Indiana and they’re going to look at Oklahoma City and they’re going to go “Man these teams built cores and then just kind of added pieces around it If you’re the Rockets why would because the Bucks are going to start with Aman Thompson Oh yeah Why I’m in Thompson and a bunch of other stuff like gh I mean if if you’re Houston and you can get Anthony Dumbo’s again he’s 30 and you’re going to give up let’s say you can avoid giving up Almond Thompson let’s say you’re giving up Jabari you’re giving up Jaylen Green um and you’re giving up you know Whitmore one other big time up and coming Reed Shepard okay so we got Reed Shepard and then what if he had to give like Tory Een as well So you’re giving up like four young players and three first round picks for Giannis Man I would It’s just and this is this is where the off seasonason is going to be interesting is if I’m the Rockets and I’m ready to give up those assets I think you can break those assets into four other trades and probably improve your team more than giving them up for one player No I’m with you Fully understanding by the way that Giannis is a is a top 15 player of all time or wherever you want to put him He’s unbelievable He’s an MV perennial MVP candidate and a top three player still right now Yes I I just think that you’re you’re always going to have the question of is he going to want to stay wherever he’s going And he’s under contract for three more years He has a player option at 66.8 million for the 2728 season Mhm Like if I you know again we just go Kingswise like I I think getting a bunch of young prospects like from Houston if if they’re going to open up and say “Hey let’s do this.” Sure And everything is predicated around Jaylen Green You have to because Jaylen Green is a guy who’s making 30 and you got to get up to 50 million bucks just to make this thing work dollars and cents wise So you’re going to have to come up with a bunch of players who are making 10 12 million bucks in order to get up you know at least three or four players to get up to that 50 million mark Yeah Um and again if I were do you like that deal or would you rather start over with your own draft picks uh well I mean with with draft picks that you select the players and that’s where you know again I don’t think the Kings would do this but um they well maybe they would but if you’re the Kings and you can offer up Zack Lavine and Devin Carter to match salaries and uh and give up five first round picks including three of your own unprotected and the two unprotected one from San Antonio one from Minnesota I mean five first round picks I still don’t think that’s enough You know I I don’t I mean because again you’re going to have to match salary but I’m not sure that I would take the Houston deal and I’m not sure I would take the Kings deal Yeah But those are like paths that you could go down and I think you know again Giannis probably wouldn’t want to be in Sacramento Um and it would be tough to build a team quickly But I just I just if if the Bucks are steadfast in we’re going to gut the team that we trade Giannis to I would imagine if you’re a if you’re a GM and you’re watching the finals and frankly if you’re if you watched Minnesota go to the conference finals backtoback years you’re probably going man I don’t want to do that I don’t think that’s a best p best path to a championship gutting this young roster we have so let’s say Giannis doesn’t move they’re still LaMelo Ball Trey Young Zion Williamson John Morant uh Kevin Durant Yeah there are still so many huge names And then and then you got Lori Markin’s availability to be traded now Yep John Collins has perpetual Has anyone been on the trading block more often than John Collins No Especially for someone who who only got traded once No John Collins Cam Johnson like there are there are and all of these players none of I I get that none of them are the quality of of Giannis but they’re all really good players The Kings would love to have a couple of those guys Oh yeah You would kill to have a couple of those guys Yeah that’s where I’m at If I’m the Kings I’m I’m trying to get involved in in many of these trades because it does feel like something big is going to happen and you can be a third team you can be you know a fourth team or you can be a primary team Yeah you know and try to get involved And this is where uh because of the the quality of players and the size of those contracts and the fact that you have a guy like it is possible that Zack Lavine could get involved in one of these that the Kings could get involved using Zack Lavine and that’s because he makes like 47 million and 49 million over the next two years right Mhm But there are just not a lot of players out there with contracts that are expiring like this Yeah And for a team who who’s giving up like say three years of Giannis or four years of of another player that’s around that type of that money just that money alone could save them tens of millions of dollars in in luxury tax or apron money Uh so like again I think it is possible that where normally I would say Zack Lavine’s contract is not going to be in play Hey if the Kings the Kings need to do whatever it takes to get better straight up That’s Yeah bottom line And that’s where I I wonder because and and the the Kings angle on this is okay they they’d be involved with these players and it’s it’s less about specific players they’d be involved with for me though and more Okay so you have a new GM and Scott Perry Yep Who is having conversations with everyone in the building getting on the same page with everyone and we’re all put he that new front office is going to have to hit the ground running Oh yeah Because if you’re in a spot where you’re like “Okay well we can slow play this We’re going to see how it goes We’re still getting to know some guys We’re still piecing together who’s part of the core and who’s not.” And now all of a sudden all these trades are happening You’re going to be on the outside looking in and all of a sudden your big offseason move is Taius Jones Oh yeah That’s so So hopefully Scott Perry who is plugged in around the league That’s one of the things we always say Scott Perry likes everybody or excuse me Scott Perry is friends with everybody He’s he’s uh knows everyone Knows everyone Yep Hopefully he’s got a beat on this and is already having those conversations with other teams or with other agents because that’s my biggest fear here Well I can tell you that right now they’ve already had multiple conversations around the league with multiple teams Like they are not sitting around waiting There are they are fielding calls daily and maybe even at this point hourly cuz we’re getting close Mhm like they are fielding calls non-stop I know that ver act and whether that means that some of their players are are being sought after or whether they’re going and and hitting up other teams and trying to work something Um that’s why I keep warning everybody like do not be surprised if some of your favorite Kings are no longer here in Sacramento at the end of this This could be a blood bath for Kings fans where they’re like oh my gosh I can’t believe that just happened I outside of D Rozan Domas and Well yeah I mean I I think you could get to a point where like they can’t trade Lavine but they can trade Malik Monk They can’t trade Demar De Rozan’s contract but like so many teams have called about Keegan Murray And you got to start thinking about that Like if you can’t improve your team no matter what that’s that’s the goal Like you got to find ways to improve the team You’re you’re not good enough Your talent whatever happened last year like I think the final we predicted that that team would win more like 50 52 games when it was all said and done I think they were lucky to win 40 like they scrape by and and you know especially when you do the change over at mid-season and and dump Fox like this team is in disarray and it’s going to take a strong willed person to come in and make very very difficult and uncomfortable decisions that will have long lasting ripple effects with this franchise And you’re hoping uh fingers crossed that they get those things right Yeah And and that’s at at the end of the day that’s all you can hope for is that you know whatever Scott Perry does here that he gets it right But do not think that they’re just sitting around waiting for draft night to see if they might be able to get back into the first round They might do that They could get back into the first round Sure Um but I also think that they could trade all kinds of players on draft night or all kinds of players on July 1st and and move themselves in a position to either be a free agent player or be in a position to like have completely different needs on July 1st than they had today Mhm And you’re like oh my gosh like how are they going to fill this this and this position Like you trade Demon Sabonis you need another starting center I don’t you know Jonas Valenun is perfectly nice guy if you want to be competitive Yeah but I’m not counting on Jonas Valente to go out there and play 35 minutes a night You know you trade Demard Rosen all of a sudden you need another forward You need another score right And that’s where I think everyone has to kind of like understand that this is when you pull out one piece of the puzzle like how does that impact the other pieces and can you can you build this thing the right way like very quickly I’m not sure that they can but I’m also I would be very surprised if they weren’t movers and shakers Well then you have a trade idea I do We’ll get to that next The biggest thing for me is just pick a path If that means they decide Sabonis Keegan and Keon and Monk are untouchable and they’re going to build around them okay just commit to that I not what I would do but if that’s what they do if it’s dump everything or man they got a Godfather offer for Keegan and and he’s gone or Keon or or uh Monk and they’re gone Ju commit to it That’s that’s the biggest the biggest thing for me So uh a tough offseason ahead or a I shouldn’t say tough a busy offseason ahead with a lot of tough decisions Yep Is is where we’re uh is where we’re headed But you’ve got a trade idea You played around the trade machine I did And did you have multiple here I do Did I read that correctly You have multiple trade ideas My very favorite thing You have two of my favorite thing I can’t wait That’s James Ham He’s Joe Brazil I’m Kyle Madson We’re sponsored by Jiffy Lube This is the Insiders on ESPN 1320 Sacramento Sports I’m gonna kill these for a second Hang Yeah [Music] Morning Scooter I see he has joined the membership of the YouTube channel So shout out to him I’m excited for your weekend Kyle I think you’re going to have a great time Yeah me too The the weather is um dicey rain in both cities but uh it’ll it’ll be it’ll be a great time Uh we we purposely carved out so we get into Chicago pretty early on like early Wednesday afternoon Mhm So we have some time to explore a little bit Wednesday and then it’s a night game Thursday Night game at Wrigley is going to be sick Yep And so we have some we have basically all day to to explore and go to Wrigleyville Wrigleyville and do that whole thing Uh-huh And then same thing Boston We fly in early Friday get to explore a little bit We’ll hit a game Friday night and then we have all day Saturday to to kick it in Boston We’re going to go do some history stuff and be nerds Yeah Yeah I would love to do that Really excited The only time I went to Boston I went to the Sloan Analytics Conference Oh yeah That’s right At MIT And a different type of nerd thing Yeah totally But you know we went out and did like a pub crawl afterwards but u we didn’t really get out and see the city And it was it was cold Yeah we’re if it doesn’t rain the weather should be nice But Boston during the winter sounds awful Uhhuh Oh it was cold Yeah I think we were there in February January February Oh my god a bonus to Atlanta for I didn’t see that one Salvador the number is 91691320 Nice job dude Joe Brazil everybody We did Randy Lily We did not talk about cousins I don’t like without playing the video like which we can’t really play the video because it’s just like a bunch of noise Yeah it’s just hate to say it for the guys Is this a long break Yeah it’s ugly Now back to the Insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 Trade ideas baby Let’s go It’s our favorite thing Sorry if that was super loud We love a trade idea We do Brian Winhor says the NBA offseason is going to ramp up right away NBA draft right around the draft Yeah It’s when stuff is going to hit the fan Going to see a lot of player movement I think there’s also teams maybe it’s the Jazz just picking a team with some good veterans who they could probably move are going to try really hard to maybe move up because there’s some blue chip talent at the top of the draft and they’re sixth fifth sixth maybe try and package that pick with Yeah something else to move up Yeah I could see that Um I also like I I think with uh just the way this draft is like it’s super topheavy Um but then there’s a lot of question marks from then on after you get past like the top five right Like a lot of wide open draft like if someone were to take somebody at eight or 20 there isn’t a huge big difference between right Yeah Um I I don’t know this is a draft that I would get back into Um you know again I had someone tell me like if you think this is like a a 16 player draft like and you’re going to move back into this draft you better you better if you’re let’s say let’s say you’re going to move to the top 10 Mhm There better be 10 guys that you’re in love with Yeah Like straight up there better be 10 10 players that you’re in love with because if not why’d you move in why’d you moved into that spot Like it doesn’t make any sense to get to the a spot and if you you get to 10 and you realize that there’s five players that you like at number 10 you probably should have traded for number 13 or number 14 or number 15 Like that’s like this isn’t a draft that I think that anyone is going into and saying “Okay look we’re going to reset all of our depth or anything like that.” Well it’s like what we talked about with the 49ers picking 11th in this year’s NFL draft Yeah like they could pick 11th and trade back to 20 and get probably a similar caliber player Well very similar here That’s why you take a flyer at 11 on a guy that has like unlimited potential but hasn’t really delivered yet because at least you’re you’re banking on upside And so for the Kings they can’t really bank on they should be a team who’s banking on upside But because of the age of your team and everything else I would expect the Kings to be a much bigger player on July 1st than they are like on drive night Why Uh because once you get to July 1st you have access to your 2026 pick right So uh you can’t trade that pick until the new Well you can trade that you can have a deal set up that will trade that pick but you also you get your 2030 agree to terms of a deal Yeah But can’t execute the trade until July one Yeah So so like the day of the the draft they can’t trade their 2026 first round pick because of Stephanie roll and they already have their 2025 gone Right Right But you get five six days later and you hit to July 1st that trade is once a draft happens it’s over and that the 2025 pick is gone It’s no longer on your books You can out trade your 2026 pick but you have to wait until the reset of calendar year So I would not be surprised if the Kings are like are more in the big trade market around that time than they are on draft a draft unless you got some other deal that makes a lot of sense Okay Right So there’s a report out right now I want to I want to get to your trade ideas because you got a two-part trade that’s really fun here and I want to get to it There’s also this report that came out this morning from Grant Aith at RG Media Yeah And he reported that Darius Garland has drawn trade interest from the Kings and Trey Young has also drawn trade interest from the Kings I want to put a pin in the Trey Young thing for a second Okay we talked a lot about Darius Garland yesterday We did This seems like one of those things where I my knee-jerk reaction to this was of course they’re interested They should be interested in every good point guard Yeah Yeah You should have a a giant whiteboard with with tiers of point guards and who’s obtainable and who’s not Straight up You should have like it all mapped out like if you can get player XYZ you know with this trade this trade this trade Yeah The thing I’m interested in because it doesn’t shock me that the Kings are like “Yeah hey Darius got we we talked about Trey Young LaMelo Ball John Morant Those are those are the three.” But then we brought up Andrew Nehard See Derek White Drew Holiday like there’s all these Darius Garland should 100% be on that list Whether the Cavs want to trade him or not don’t know But my interest is more is he just on the list or is he a player that the Kings have circled and okay hey here’s this list of 10 names We’re going to underline the three that we’re going to overpay for We’re going to bend over back We need to get Darius Garland We think he is the key piece to build around moving forward And if that’s true if that’s the case are they willing to make are they willing to involve Keegan Murray in that deal Are they willing to involve several first round picks in that deal Because if they’re not then they might wind up disappointed in the quality of player they’re going to go get Well yeah I I think here’s the difficult thing Like if you have a whole list of players you’re not just going to randomly grab a player off the list call that team and say “Can I get that player?” And then I’m just going to do that deal Yeah No So I think the the way that this was written from the article that we’re we’re from RG uh sports whatever it is RG media RG media rg.org okay it’s the website the way that like if I’m reading this correctly though um the they also they they say the Kings have interest in Garland but also on top of that Trey Young came up in recent talks and the King uh while Sacramento’s interest in the Kings multiple sources told RG that the Atlanta Hawks have spoken with the Kings on a potential framework centered around Trey Young in recent weeks Oh however those trades have since stalled So this is why I’m I’m bringing this up right now in this this discussion It makes sense that you have on your board what a the framework of a Trey Young trade looks like what the framework of a Darius Garland trade works looks like what a possible uh LaMelo Ball trade looks like have conversations build out and then you look at the three or four or five deals that are sitting there that you think you can get done or that you might be able to get done and then you aggressively attack whichever one you think is right And then if that one doesn’t work out you might go to the next one So either way you need to build out framework for these trades in advance and and start building something that makes a lot of sense like now Uh so then when it is time to go you don’t want to get swooped You don’t want to have some other team come in and and offer Russell Westbrook for Kyle Kosma and Montre Herald instead of the deal that you had for Buddy Heield Yeah So you got to get you got to get all your ducks in a row You need to touch base You need to build out frameworks of a trade what a potential trade would look like with each individual team and then choose the logical step for your franchise You know gauging age gauging production gauging position gauging uh whether or not they’re a two-way player they just play they’re just an offensive player whether a pass first or a score first point guard like all of these things And if you acquire that player are there other dominoes that fall where if you are acquiring Trey Young Yep you know that man there’s a kind of specific type of player that you’re going to need to put alongside him or players that you’re going to need to put alongside him No totally Do we have those moves in place Yeah it’s a and that’s where that’s where I was talking about earlier when we say that Brian Winhorse said that the offseason is going to get moving quickly That’s where like man you are not going to be able to afford to fall behind because it’s not one move that needs to happen Yeah Especially with Sacramento I mean like if I’m Sacramento um and you’re going to play in the pool of like where all the sharks are right You’re you’re looking for um a frontline NBA starting point guard If that’s your main objective you’re looking at 40 to$50 million player Yeah And you you might you either have two of those moves in you or you have one of those moves or you might have three depending on who how many of the the players you want to give up So um for me like I my my trade that I I’m proposing um is is pretty specific Like um I I don’t I don’t love Trey Young as like an end- all beall player Um but when I factor in contract I factor in age and I factor in the fact that he is both a true point guard and a scoring point guard um I I I think I like him as a player And I also think that there’s a way in which you can put him alongside somebody that makes you know that makes everyone better like you know what I mean So like I I but what I can’t have is I can’t have a Trey Young and Zack Lavine backcourt that gives up 140 points a night and Demon Sabonis is in foul trouble every single game Yeah So my proposed trade would be um Zack Lavine uh the the Spurs pick in 2027 and one other lottery protected pick from the Kings for Trey Young And it’s a straight salary swap and people go well why would the Hawks do that It’s a great question And the answer is the Hawks are looking to reset around a younger roster with Reese Bache and and Jaylen Johnson and that group Um you know Capella’s on his way out the door They’ve got a they they got rid of Bogdanovich during the season Like Dyson Daniels is is part of their their future And Trey Young is looking for an an extension right now And that extension is going to be 200 and something million bucks He’s owed basically the same exact money as Zack Lavine is He’s at 46 million and 48 million 48.5 It’s within like 500 grand of the Zack Lavine contract So the player swap the the money works to swap out player for player and so they’re not taking on any additional money They’re not taking on any additional years of Zack Lavine The the contracts with Trey Young line up perfectly but what you’re doing is you’re swapping out a player giving uh Dyson Daniels someone new to play with and handing the team to him and saying “Okay you’re our guy now um and we’re going to have a really good scoring wing wingman next to you and then at the same time you’re collecting a couple of first round picks in order to continue the build that you’re trying to accomplish So that’s why they would do that And as far as the Kings like look I think Trey Young in Sacramento uh does not work at all next to Lavine but I think Trey Young in Sacramento works perfectly fine next to uh a guy like Keon Ellis in the starting back court and then having a guy like Malik Monk come off the bench and give you something having Devin Carter still part of that like I think that there is a way in that you can create something um with that backcourt that’s different than what you currently have So I like this idea very much and if you’re able to get out of Zack Lavine’s contract and acquire a star level point guard in the in the process that is a slam dump No pun intended Yeah That is something you have to do Um if you’re building around Trey Young though because this he 27 at the start of next year Okay Which means this is now your new window Yep This is not a rebuild This is a going for it now with Trey Young There is a very specific type of build that now needs to continue I totally agree where there there has to be an influx and I think Scott Perry recognizes there has to be that influx of of size and athleticism athleticism that we talk about And what what is so appealing about Trey Young to me is not the scoring He’s going to give you 20 plus a night You averaged 24.2 He’s averaging 25.3 for his career 24.2 last season It’s not only the assist numbers He averaged 11.6 assists a game last year Mhm But it’s the way he playmakes that sets up his teammates And I think Trey Young elevates the players around him offensively I think he makes players better Not where wow the Hawks have been contending for titles That’s not the case But I think the the quality of player you need offensively comes down a little bit where you can go get a very defensive-minded um hustle grit type of player Yeah because they’re going to get open They’re going to stand in the corner They’re going to get open threes off of Trey Young He’s going to break down a defense He’s going to touch the paint and he is going to make the right pass to the open shooter And now maybe that three-point shooter is 33 is 33% but man he’s 38% from the corner because that is just a wideopen look And that’s something that you want to generate Uh and that’s something that that I think can help carry the Kings offense around Treyo But we’ll continue talking about this So we got to step aside on the radio side We’ll keep talking about this because there’s a second part of this that goes along with it This is not a one part trade There’s a two-part trade The second part of that trade is going to go toward what we’re talking about right now with adding more size and athleticism We’ll get to that next He’s James Ham I’m Kyle Matson That’s Joe Brazil We’re the insider sponsored by Jiffy Lubon SBN 1320 at Sacramento Sports Leader Uh Joe I’m gonna run in there and we’re going to talk about something real quick Nothing bad Hello everybody Um okay So so the the key is you’re giving up first round picks Like I mean straight up you’re you’re giving up first round picks to that uh to Atlanta in the swap Now if you have to include Devin Carter that’s to me that’s fine like I don’t have a problem sending that sending in uh putting Devin Carter in that trade as well Um but it certainly would be like jarring and reset everything Um this is good qu like Trey Young is obtainable because I don’t believe they want to pay him the contract extension that he’s up for That’s the biggest deal So Garland is only worth overpaying for if we get Allen with it I just don’t understand why a 64- win team is going to trade two of their starters I mean that’s really really tough Unless you’re giving up again like Dom and Keegan Murray Um you know Dom and something else That’s tough Um I feel like there’s no good jingles anymore H okay I’m with you Uh like I don’t know like it I I think the only one that gets you multiple first round picks right now is Domos I don’t think Lavine gets you first round picks at all Um I don’t think Demar de Rosen gets you first round picks Um yeah I I don’t think Keegan Murray gets you multiple first round picks because I’ll be honest with you I like what it what would you think that Keegan Murray like people out there what do you think people would trade for Keegan Murray Safe flight repair Safe flight replace Welcome back to number two Hour number two that’s James Ham I’m K Mads and Joe Brazil on the ones and twos We’re sponsored by Jiffy Lub hanging out with you until noon and then we’ll hand it off to DLO and KC Those guys will take you up at 4:00 right here on ESPN 1320 That is Sacramento Sports Leader We’re talking trade machine We’re talking trade ideas It’s our very favorite thing 916909 1320 91691320 If you’d like to join the program James would you like to recap the first part of your two-part trade Yeah The first part is um I would offer you know again I’m sure that the Hawks are are in they’re in a very weird space Yeah They’re in the middle of changing everything They you know they’ve uh gotten rid of their entire front office and restarting Um I would offer uh Zack Lavine and a couple of first round picks Uh the the Spurs 2027 unprotected and then like another protected Kings pick like a 27 or a 28 Kings pick uh in exchange for Trey Young Now Trey Young again once you get him in your door you’re going to have to assign him to an extension That’s you know he’s entering uh the final two years of his deal You can I think you can give him up to four years You You’re committing to Trey Young being your 1A Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Money is not an object anymore with with him Well that and the other thing about Trey Young that I’ll point out is Trey Young has spent his entire career playing with um like true rim running centers right And it works It does Uh although you know with guys like Clint Capella or you know name that center he’s played with but most of them are that same type of center I want to see if Trey Young can be an efficient player playing alongside a guy like Domos where maybe his assist numbers drop from 11 a game to nine a game Um but his shooting percentages go from like 34% from three to 37 38% from three because he’s a better shooter We all know he’s a better shooter We just you watch he takes too many bad shots because some wild ass threes because they are in a position where they need him to take some wild shots a lot of the time and so I would like to see if he becomes a more uh like well-rounded player if he played alongside someone like Domos would be interesting for sure and the Hawks and and where they’re at I I don’t I’m so interested to see how they attack the offseason with Trey Young specifically Yeah me too Because they could very easily just extend him and be like “Yeah Dyson Daniels with with Zachary Reach and and Jaylen Johnson will be back healthy and and uh Aneka Congu Anaka Congu Thank you I could not pull his name out of my head Uh Aneka and this is just what we’re going to build around we’re committing to this.” But it also wouldn’t shock me if they did this type of deal you’re talking about where they go “Man we can get a couple of firsts and get Trey Young out of here We can still be competitive with Zack Lavine but we can kind of figure it out with with a war chest of of picks that we’ve acquired Yeah I I think that that’s the key especially since they don’t have picks because they dealt them to the Spurs They did but then they also I swear they got some of New Orleans picks back when they traded DeJonte Murray to to New Orleans So they they don’t have a lot of their own picks They do have other people’s picks Sure Um but either way this is a team that you know when you look at their roster is very young and they can’t they’re at $143 million in payroll right now with with Trey Young making 46 million Mhm So Capella and Caris Levert are both free agents Larry Nance is a free agent Uh Bone Bone Thailand David Rody Garris Mat all those guys are are free agents Um so they’re still going to have to spend money because there is a salary floor that you have to be at But for them it would get them to a point where you know Zack Lavine is falling off the books at the same time that Trey Young would but Trey is going to sit there and want to he’s the whole time he’s going to be asking for an extension Mhm And if you’re not willing to give the extension this is probably the time to trade him because now he has two years left on his deal that if you get into next season or if you get to the trade deadline it kind of becomes like the deer and Fox thing Sure Right Where you’re like “Okay well we only have you for a year and a half How many first round picks am I going to have to give up for that?” Mhm And the answer is not that much You know it’s like two unprotected picks for sure but you were hoping for a lot more than that at the beginning of the Dear Fox trade season including a young player like Stefon Castle or something and the the eventual yield was way less than what you would hope for Yeah except for you have a $49 million expiring contract next season in in Zack Lavine So and that’s that is value to a lot of teams Yeah $49 million expiring for sure The kid talks 916932091691320 James before we get to the second half of your trade Salvador wants to give his own idea about a player the the Kings can go get Salvador you’re on the insiders What’s up man Hey uh I guess Mourin from Wisconsin Salvador you’re on the uh Salvador can you do me a favor and turn down your radio Yeah let me from Wisconsin All right Joe can we pot him down until he’s got that figured out Thanks app Yeah Yeah If you’re gonna the 91169 099320 9169 091320 All right Salvador go ahead Yeah Um sorry about that I’ll just turn it off Uh I my my question to James somebody uh just told me um about Anthony Black My my question was I know we needed a point guard So my question is um about Anthony Black What’s your thoughts on Anthony Black What would it cost us I know he’s on his final year I believe and his contract’s about eight eight and a half And if he’s out there um wouldn’t he be a pretty good uh player Okay Yeah So uh Anthony Black uh just so he he’s got two more years left to call Salvador I had a great time Go ahead James On his rookie scale deal he’s got two more years left Um so I don’t know Like I mean he’s on a a list of players that are young and that are athletic and that you’re thinking okay maybe that that player will develop Um the thing is I don’t think he did anything extremely well this year and he’s also on a team that’s like so desperate for a point guard that especially with the Jaylen Suggs injury So he started 10 games He played 78 games at 24 minutes tonight and averaged nine points and and three uh three assists per game I think he’s got potential Um but things like the fact that he shot 31.8% from three uh is a bit jarring And um you know so so maybe he makes sense but again you’re looking at a guy who was like the sixth pick in in the 2023 NBA draft If the Kings were to go after Anthony Black they’re going to want something like the fourth pick from the 20 uh 22 NBA draft They’re going to want something like Keegan Murray to to move for someone like Anthony Although it’s possible he might be like lower down that he’s not fitting in or that you know they need a reset or something I don’t think Anthony Black is on the Magic Timeline Okay I think the Magic needs somebody who can contribute now And I think if they can move Anthony Black for Malik Monk a player who can credibly play point guard but also provide some scoring and and shot creation because they just don’t have a have a ton of that on the perimeter That is where I think they would be willing to move a guy like Anthony Black at least the theoretically Again I don’t know I don’t know people in that front office but if you’re doing that if you’re the Kings and you’re acquiring a player like Anthony Black it’s part of a for me a tear down where hey here’s this former sixth pick who’s going into year three We’re going to take a gamble on this guy because hey you know what We’re not super interested in winning and if he turns into SGA awesome If not all right well we’re rebuilding anyway That’s where I would go get that type of player Mhm I’m not if I’m the Kings going to get Anthony Black as a player to help me compete in the in the immediate because it’s a gamble Like you said he’s usually two years in you get a pretty good idea of okay this guy’s ascending this guy’s not And I never I watched a weird amount of Magic this year because I had Paulo Beno in a lot of underdog lineups I was just never blown away by by Anthony Black No I think the good thing about Anthony Black he’s 6’7 playing as a point guard so he’s long He is athletic he he’s got like the body that you’re hoping for Um but he’s 21 years old and so you’re going to need to wait for him to develop And if you’re going to get Anthony Black that’s where you go out and you get a Tias Jones You you pair him with a veteran that can help him you know kind of develop But the problem is like he’s he didn’t exactly like jump off the page as someone who’s fully developing with Orlando And if you’re going just like what you said if you’re going to reset the entire roster and the next move like once you get done trading Monk and and taking back Black and a couple of other like something else to match salary then the next move is like where does Deamar go Where does Lavine go Where does Domos go Like that’s the next step You’re loading up on as many young players and picks as you can Yeah Young players and picks that actually make a bunch of you know like that may or may not ever make it Yeah Right So you’re taking some gamles So yeah I So so in a vacuum I don’t I don’t hate the idea but I think it has to again I wouldn’t just acquire Anthony Black just to just to get him It would have to be a concerted effort to get young upside get a lot of picks and I mean you’re turning into the Wizards at that point Yeah You’re doing something that you’re setting you’re completely changing the direction of your franchise Yeah Because he’s not there He’s not ready to to I mean again 24 minutes a game for 78 games and like you said the opportunities this year with Orlando were there Yeah Especially with Suggs out for a huge portion of season Yeah Yeah And that and not only that but France Vagner out and and Paulo Beno out they both had the the ab tears right Yeah um like both of that just creates more opportunity and I don’t know that he separated himself where I’d go hey this is the guy that I want to build around Yeah me neither Yeah So the second part of my trade Yeah So we’ve got Zack Lavine and a couple picks heading to Atlanta for Trey Young which sets in motion okay you got Trey Young in your in in your starting back court Now size athleticism defense have to be the focal point Yeah And for that matter shooting as well because you know the way that that Trey likes to work is he likes to have space and you know he gets into pick and roll but he likes to have some space and you’re going to need shooters So my next move is um I’m calling I’m calling the Miami Heat and I’m offering to Rosen for High Mayh Hawk as in Duncan Robinson and like as far as like financially it’s uh it’s close to a net neutral trade Um but uh I think you know the way that Himemehawk fell out of favor there in the second half of the season is something that I would I would definitely key in on Um Duncan Robinson is on a a player option at 19.888 million for this next year Um and uh let’s see Himemehawk makes 3.8 So we’re looking at like you’re going to lose a million dollars in salary Mhm But now all of a sudden you have a jack of all trades small forward a guy that can play the the the three and the four uh in Hawkeyes A guy who plays defense who does all the dirty work does all that stuff Uh a little bit raw but go ahead Okay I I must have said something No no no no This is about Himeme Hawz and all the dirty work he does Oh yeah Of course But then on top of that uh Duncan Robinson who I I think you know again Miami if they’re gonna they wouldn’t hate a net a a trade where they’re losing a 20 million guy a $20 million guy that’s not playing all that much And uh and not and he can shoot you know he’s kind of a Kevin Herder clone if you will Um and you know it gives you a backup two a backup three And you know I I think it would make sense for both teams just because I think they need more of they need a scoring punch uh to take some of the pressure off of of Hero uh since they lost Jimmy Butler Okay I don’t hate that I don’t know if I I I’m trying to figure out why Miami would say no particularly if Himemehawk’s offc court stuff with Eric Spolstra is real life I don’t know if it is real life or not I just know that the dude you know got down to 20 minutes a game this season and he was a guy that they were building around and and all of a sudden they weren’t Yeah Just fell out of favor Yeah I I’m a I like Himeh Hawk as his game But again you talk about um you know when you go get a player like Trey Young who that can really score pairing him with a guy like Hawz who doesn’t score that much Yeah But he’s just a dog Well he is And I also think in this scenario that it opens a door for Keegan Murray to become more of a scorer on your team and and for Keon Ellis to start in the back court uh for Malik Monk to slide into his like his more natural position as sixman Yeah Yeah I I think if if those are the couple of moves you’re making I think you dramatically improve your roster And you give yourself a real direction which is what we talked about earlier You just have to commit Commit to a direction And if you’re doing this where you’re getting Trey Young and then you’re getting Himeme Hawkins and you’re getting Duncan Robinson you are improving the cohesiveness of the basketball team you’re building Yes which has to be no matter what path they choose whether it’s tear it all down trade everybody or try and salvage a core out of this group and build around that Uh it has to be cohesive It has to make sense And that was the biggest issue with the Kings last year It wasn’t talent It was that the roster doesn’t make a lot of sense Well yeah And not only that but like you bring in Hawkeye if you were to bring back Jake Larivia u that’s one thing If you pass on Jake Larivia you actually have a replacement A guy who sure plays the same defense who’s under contract long term who you can lock up and keep him under contract long term and that you can build with Yeah And sort of give you something different than what you have right now All right We’ll continue talking about this The 49ers also started mini camp today I want to get into to the idea of mini camp and things we should and should not be watching for We’ll do that We have more NBA offseason uh coming up for you That’s James Ham I’m Kyle Madson I I should say Kings off seasonason We’re not talking NBA offseason in general We’re talking Kings That’s James Ham He’s Joe Brazil I’m com We’re the Insider Sponsored by Jiffy Lub on ESPN 1320 Sacramento Sports Turns out there’s a lot of Tony Black fans in the in the chat Yeah I mean like look he could develop and be one of those guys but you have to hedge your bet if you’re going to get him I I haven’t Maybe it was just the games I watched Yeah That I just was never like “Wow Anthony Black is a is a player.” Yeah Son of dude be smarter than the bag Smarter than the bag There it is Come on Shout out Wales for Snacks Not as not as good Small business Small business Tuesday since not as good as the ones you bring for the fortress and snackitude but still very strong Are we out in the fortress Oh no These were just in the snack thing So I just Oh okay Yeah Hawkeye is not a young D Rozan Haz is a very very different type of player There’d be some assurance that he’s going to sign with who I’m talking about Trey Young Yeah you would have a conversation like Trey is at that level in the same way that Darren Fox was at that level level where he’s just going to get max money no matter what And it’s just whether or not you want to be if you want to give him that max money I mean he’s a four-time all-star and he’s 26 Um a Hawk has averaged 11.9 points per game last season and dropped to 8.6 six this year He played 28 minutes a game as a rookie although he only shot 32.2% from three But if you believe in the free throw thing he’s an 81.1% free throw shooter So it’s possible he could be a better three three-point shooter How come what roster the Trey Young Keon Ellis Keegan Himehakez Dom Jake Laorabia Dunan Robinson Yeah I mean you need to add more but in that situation you still have your $16.8 million trade exception uh for Kevin Herder You also have your $14.1 million mid-level exception So you can actually go out and do a lot more damage Plus if you’re only giving up like two first round picks in a Trey Young package you still have seven first round picks to deal with So there’s opportunity for you to go and add more players Yeah you could be both like me Um yeah I don’t think I I Yeah we’ve had the Kamega conversation before too many times Back in the lab though Working on that one-on-one game I’m here for workout video The rope game Now back to the insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320 Best shape of his life season guys That’s right It’s the most anno So the 49ers open well a bunch of teams open mandatory mini camp today I’m already seeing what best shape of his life is a punchline We all understand that to be the case right Yeah Because everybody says that all the time every year during whether it’s baseball spring training whether it’s NBA training camp whether it’s NFL OTAAS or mini camp Mhm Best shape of his life Guy guy played at 220 last year down to 212 He’s down to two Hey shed 3% body fat Said the lowest body fat percentage of his life Feels moving better looks faster It looks faster out there It’s really hard like when once you get to a certain age the best shape of your life you’re like 17 That’s like it’s like end stop It’s like that’s it That’s it You’re like 17 years old You’re like “Oh yeah I’m in great shape I just got done playing a high school football season You’re in great shape.” With the NFL specifically because the 49ers began mandatory mini camps today With the NFL specifically I don’t care what shape a player’s in in June No like three more months to add weight And it does Well right And it it this is every sport not just the NFL I don’t care what kind of shape you’re in Now if there’s a player who let’s say I don’t know I in in the NFL there was a player who man super talented but he was on a pitch count all year because he just was never in shape Yeah Or he dealt with a hamstring thing all year because you know what he came into camp out of shape and was okay then then that that matters to me But player who just wasn’t very good shed 15 lbs Like no they’re probably still going to not be very good at the sport Yeah I don’t care what shape they’re in Did they get better Like that’s a He’s in great shape Still can’t shoot to save his life No But boy he’s going to run up and down like crazy Yeah That just I I It is a universal punchline that still gets covered every time a player’s like “Yeah dropped 10 pounds this offseason.” Oh my god Hey he looks he looks more muscular too Added some muscle All right man All right cool Can he play Is that going to part Ke Murray came back in year two looked like he bulked up That translated to how he played defensively and it mattered It’s like wow okay that cool Yeah but I don’t care that he looked like he was in better shape at the Cow Classic I need to see that translate Yeah like Wilson brings up uh Mason Jones Mason Jones lost like 40 pounds Best shape of his life I heard Yeah he he definitely was in the and and it did translate to a really good season at at the G-League Um I keep laughing over here because you know we do this thing all the time where we go to basketball reference or or football reference And do you know Himemehawk as his nickname No but I sure would like to Juan Wick like like John Wick but like what in the N what is happening What No that’s a thumbs down I that it it’s a thumbs down What if this was a superstar NBA player Himea Hhawk is good I’m not trying to drag Haime Hawk Haime Hawk is a is a is a quality NBA player He’s not probably ever going to be an allNBA guy No I think he could be an alldefensive team guy Sure But if he was I I don’t want to necessarily dive all the way into this but if he was a if he was Jason Tatum Mhm Juan Wick is great Like that that would be awesome Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah But if not it just it kind of sounds racist a little Yeah Yeah You’re like “Hey it’s just No you don’t get to have an but you don’t get to have an awesome nickname if you’re just like “Yeah no he’s a hustle guy.” Yeah I’m with you Anyways shout out to John Wick I still got to watch the movies Did you see ballerina I haven’t I I intend to go maybe tonight I don’t know We We have NBA finals tomorrow night Yeah tomorrow Yeah you got an open night tonight Yeah I might go There’s not even hockey tonight Yeah not even Stanley Cup finals I don’t even have trivia night Oh my god Yeah go see Ballerina then Yeah I probably will All right Very good Excellent Uh 916909320 91169091320 is the Elgrove Kia talk line We’re gonna do this old school right now Uh can I do this old school Is this uh Don No I can’t do it this way All right Well sorry Hey if you’re on the phone right now call back Joe had stepped out for a second so I was trying to do a fun thing but uh Joe can you dump that phone call for me Thanks appreciate you Um apparently there’s a lot of Anthony Black fans in the in the chatty house I had no idea But anyways the 49ers began mini camp today And I need this to be very clear Mini camp is mandatory mini camp is important It’s the first mandatory practices of the year It’s a two-day session There are no pads on and the coaching staff isn’t going to make final decisions based on these two days No What matters with mandatory mini camp is a getting out healthy That is step one Step two I do think it’s interesting if Nick Martin is lining up with the first team That’s an interesting thing to me Rookie third round pick lining up next to Fred Warner as the starting world linebacker Okay that’s that’s something I’m going to file away for training camp if whoever’s starting at left guard if they’re the only person running with the ones at left guard and filing that away for training camp Mhm But player performance in these practices matters so little It matters some for rookies because this is where if you’re a rookie can you just hang in this setting No pads on Uh you’re probably not really going full speed You might do some full speed stuff but can you hang in this setting Can you set yourself a baseline where you can hit the ground running in training camp Because what really matters now and Kyle Shanahan will tell you this in fact I bet he talks about it today when he when he when he speaks to the media what matters more is the 40 days away between the end of mini camp and the start of training camp And what mandatory mini camp does is it like sets that baseline for the coaching staff And it sets a baseline for you and how you can improve in your 40 days away So when you get to training camp the pads come on and the reps are live Yep That you can actually show okay I’ve earned this starting spot I’ve earned this roster spot Yeah I think for me what what these camps do also is they show the players that that just flat out get it and who doesn’t Yep Like you can understand the base concepts and you can start to improve every day and show that you’re grasping what’s happening the why not just where I need to go run this Mhm No you need to show me that you’re learning and that you’re taking the the natural steps to get better at your position And you can see that without pads on Now once pads you you throw pads on guys that’s when you start to realize who’s a dog and who’s not and who who’s um you know whatever they’re doing on the field they they might be really bright and be able to make all the right moves but then they don’t have that next gear they don’t have that closing speed to hit somebody They don’t have the pop to knock somebody down or they’re not a guy who is good at wrapping somebody up Like there are a lot of things that you can learn at this stage but then the next stage is like super super valuable as well The I think the way to frame this and I agree with you it’s less about who’s doing well in many and this applies to the 49ers the Raiders and every other NFL team that that you might be a fan of It’s less for me about who’s doing well and more who’s doing poorly Yeah If I’m going to just going to pick on Nick Martin because he’s the player that’s in my head third round pick linebacker a player top 75 pick who should probably start next to Fred Warner this year If he just doesn’t get it and it’s like man Nick Martin does not look like an NFL player in this setting that is a red flag Oh yeah Now if Nick Martin goes out it’s like hey Nick Martin was awesome he had three pass breakups and two interceptions uh and was flying all over the field Okay great That’s thumbs up You checked a box That’s just okay cool He hit the requisite level to to be ready for training camp But it’s all the things you just said If we get to training camp and all of a sudden he’s flying sideline to sideline and hey you know what He’s actually not getting to the right back or man he gets hung up on blocks a lot That’s that’s where this stuff matters You’re going to Michael Williams edge rusher I don’t care what Michael Williams as long as he’s able to stay on his feet Mhm Great That that’s it Because there’s not pads They’re not getting hit They’re not blocking Yeah There’s it’s it’s just so different this sport And if you’ve if you’ve played football at any any kind of level if you’ve ever put pads on you know that hey you know what guys It’s a different sport Yeah I I also think that there there’s the guy who goes out and we have have this every single year You bring in guys and you’re hoping they make the team You’re hoping they’re contributors but right away they look lost And then the second thing that happens while they look lost is oh my hamstring doesn’t feel good or oh I I tweak something I I need to sit I need to go to the trainer And then you see this like perpetual cycle is like oh yeah you’re probably not going to be here much longer Yep And that’s something I think you can tell really quick when is your love for the game there is your want to like play on every single down all that stuff Is it real or you know did you just talk about it at the combine and and look really cool talking about smart stuff Yeah And you get on the field and it’s like okay you’re just not really a ball player Can I give a take sort of along those vaguely related to that Yeah Because I don’t think it has to do with a desire or a will or a want to play but I have deep concerns about Ricky Pieraw Oh of course the 49ers 2024 first round pick I think he can play I think Ricky Pierall can play and I think he wants to I think he wants desperately to play The fact that last year I’m going to take the gunshot part of this out because that was just such an unbelievable freak Yep Ju catastrophic thing that happened Let’s take that out of the picture He had hamstring injury early in camp came back and immediately was in a blue non-cont jersey because of a shoulder injury And now he can’t even get through OTAAS without having a hamstring issue Yeah that’s not good This this reeks to me of hey he can play like when he’s on the field you can see like it’s there but he just never quite reaches that potential because all of a sudden we’re getting to training camp and hope he’s missing a couple more weeks in training camp but now we’re getting to week one and hey Ricky Persaw didn’t play much How come Well he didn’t practice a lot and he’s still getting up to speed I bro you got to figure it out at some point Yep You got to be able to stay healthy And I get that this sport is very violent It’s very physical There are a lot of players who just flat out don’t make it because you know what Their body is not going to let them Mhm And that is my deep deep concern with Ricky Persol right now I think he is a player I am just really worried that his body is not going to cooperate Yeah And it’s tough because I I think these guys they work out so incredibly hard during the offseason trying to obtain something and and try to build on what they they learned from last season But if you’re not doing things correctly and if you’re not doing like the yoga piece and you know or Pilates or something to do the stretching uh aspect of you know building your body then you’re going to have situations like this It’s a bummer because you know he’s a young dude Like pulling his hamstring two years in a row isn’t great Shoulder injury isn’t great You know like there you’re you’re worried about already whether he’s going to be able to play not just 17 games but is he going to be able to play 10 And that’s a a big issue Like you can’t just miss every single OTAA and every single offseason because of injury Yeah we’ve seen that Like guys just they peak way too early and they never ever get better They they get to a certain point and it’s like hey that’s who you are It’s who you are because you can’t stay on the field and you can’t get better because you know again the Marvin Bagley uh of the world like how many times did you hurt your foot Like the joke around Sacramento is he traveled with a boot in his bag just in case you know like just in case you need to put the boot back on because he’s hurt again Yeah And like you feel for him but at the same time like you gotta play through some things Well and I don’t even for me it’s not even that It’s just like I’m worried that Ricky Persol specifically his body is not Yeah It’s a hamstring You can’t you can’t just go out and be like “Oh okay I’m just going to go play an NFL game on this bum hamstring.” Nope That’s that So like I said I’m not writing the guy off It’s just that’s red flags in year one and an immediately red immediate red flag in year two Couldn’t get through Otas Oh yeah huge huge tough Let’s get Oh I was going to get to Daniel on the Elkrove Kakan to get us back into the NBA Alas uh is Daniel gone He just he just left All right Yeah Daniel just dipped out I guess Just like Joe Joe dipped out Jesse everybody’s got business Yeah Joe’s Joe is a soughtafter person in this building So salute to Joe and appreciate Jesse for for jumping in with us here on the insiders We’re sponsored by Jeff That’s James Ham I’m comat and Jesse Topia now behind the glass So uh Jesse I’m actually glad you’re here A because because you’re my friend and I and I enjoy when you’re here But B we didn’t get to this yesterday but Matt Moore friend of the program Matt Moore Action Network I believe reported that the Celtics are looking for a first round pick for Drew Holiday Hope they find it If it’s one first and matching salary are you acquiring Drew Holiday Yeah I I don’t know I I don’t imagine you’d want to give up a like you’re not giving up anything top 20 for Drew I don’t think Okay So what if Okay let me let me turn the trade on first How about this How about you give up uh Demard Rosen and you give up Devin Carter who was the first round pick Yeah First round pick who hasn’t got to play Um yeah So maybe that’s how you get around that if you want to throw in a second Okay Yeah But I don’t think that I’m giving up a true first round pick for for Drew because I mean he’s owed 104 million over three years And Jesse if I’m remember if I’m I guess viewing this correctly because you watch way more Celtics than I do Drew Holiday started to look old this year Oh yeah The shot he’s not he didn’t shoot the ball great He didn’t shoot the ball great He took a step back defense Still really good defensively was like ah like see like he’s like a a little more vulnerable Yeah a little bit more vulnerable Yeah that’s right Like he’s still really good but like you you see it now This isn’t so this isn’t Boston like ah dang the Tatum injury We’re going to have to really oh this this is Boston like hey Drew Holiday is expensive and we would like to move on Yeah you were probably moving off of Drew anyways before Tatum got hurt and all that I mean Drew Holiday averaged 11 points and 3.9 assists per game I think that 11 points is his lowest since his rookie year too I think he shot 35% from three which was one of his lowest percentages Yeah 35.3 Yeah Like that’s why I don’t want I don’t want him for Sacramento I don’t like him I’m out man I just I and I’ve this is not an anti-Drew Holiday thing This is just a if I’m the Kings I don’t want to give up whatever it would take to get Drew Holiday because Drew Holiday at this point feels like he’s in the he he’s he’s better than the some of the point guards we’ve named just the kind of random veteran point guards He’s not that Yeah But he’s also not in this tier of like wow this is a player you can build around or wow this is the this is the missing piece I think if you drop him on to like Houston yeah he needs to go to like a team where he’s like “We’re set We just need you to play make a bit play some defense don’t do much else.” Yeah Not that he’s like horrible on offense He had a really down year and all that but it’s just kind of like he needs to go to a contender that’s just we don’t need you to take us over the top but you’d be a really great addition here And I also I think I think I’m out I’m also concerned that he does the exact path of Mike Connley where you go from like 14 points to 11.4 to 8.2 to and then the Kings get they’re on the hook for you know $65 million of a player two years left and he’s averaging nine points a game and you’re like “Okay man What are we doing here?” The Mike Conley thing works at 8 or 10 million or whatever he is where he just sets up the offense and goes and hangs out in the corner It doesn’t work so much at 37 million No And especially if you have not only the the Kings in that scenario they’d have the Zack Lavine to kind of do the Anthony Edwards thing They’d have you know Domos to do some scoring but then where are you going to get those extra points from if you’re dropping all the way down to like 10 points a game off for your starting point guard Yeah I like Drew Holiday a lot It’s tough Five years ago though would have been He’s still a good player but he’s not it’s not for the Sacramento Kings Yeah I think that’s that’s that’s in the nail on the head All right we’ll get to the handoff next One of Der or Casey will be and maybe it’ll be Jesse Who knows That’s James Ham comments and we’re the insiders brought to you by Jiffy Lube right here on ESPN 1320 at Sacramento Sports Center Thanks Uh oh Okay Um Ruthless Mudkip Uh how do we feel about Dejonte Murray Man he popped his Achilles Like I don’t love him as a player in general like when he was young he turned the ball over way too much And now we’re looking at like a 28 going on He’ll be 29 in September so before the season starts And you know he played 31 games Catastro catastrophic injury Um I don’t know I’m out Yeah 29.3% from the field 29.9% from three He was having a horrible season Trading Deonte Trading for Deontay Murray just feels like a backwards move Yeah I might as well Scooter this is well done I was reading this like what are you talking about And it’s nope Wait was it talking about Domos needing to take more shots and Doug needing to talk to him It’s like yeah it’s not going to happen pal No giving up on that idea What’s up Cousin Pete Yeah Murray is owed 31.5 33.6 6 and 31.6 as a player option and 2728 I agree with this but I think you can find a a ball handler that’s not going to cost you a bunch of money If this is about Drew Holiday that’s not going to cost you a bunch of money and assets Well also I I think if you’re you’re rating the point guard pool like if you’re looking at Drew Holiday you’re looking at um Deontay Murray And this isn’t like being disrespectful but I I don’t think either one of them are top 18 20 point guards at this point Probably not Yeah Now back to the insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jify Lube on ESPN 1320 We’ll find a point guard for the Kings eventually It feels like no matter what they do it’s going to be disappointing I don’t know I love the Trey Young idea I’ve been Trey Young Trey Young for the last few weeks Any Trey Young John LaMelo Ball edition I’m here for LaMelo Ball I might be out on depending on the deal Yeah it’s all depending on the deal Yeah Well like Trey Trey I would give I wouldn’t be mad if the Kings gave a little something for Trey Like LaMelo only plays like four Yeah the injury The injury stuff is a problem Yeah No We’ll get to the handoff with it Looks like Damen Barling is going to be in for the handoff today On the insiders we’re sponsored by Jeffy Loop Jesse Tappy in for Joe Brazil That’s James Ham I’m Kyle Madson Um are John Collins and Cam Johnson still things do you think I don’t know I’m I’m going to guess no Uh like that that because it’s a new front office So if if you did not follow the Kings closely last season John Collins and Cam Johnson were frequently in trade rumors with the Kings Yeah I mean multiple times it looked like they I mean we had been there there was talk that players had been told that John Collins was on his way to Sacramento that that the trade was going through Um and before that there were like the Cam Johnson stuff was so incredibly close like multiple times Like on draft night they almost got Cam Johnson and then it just kept playing out They kept trying to get him Uh Brooklyn wouldn’t give up you know they they wanted two first round picks for him Um and so no I mean like at this point like what Cam Johnson’s 29 going on 30s like his contract is getting it’s getting closer to an end Mh And that’s it’s tough I mean would I take Cam Johnson on my team Yeah But uh it would have to it would mean that I’ve I’ve moved on from some other guys Cam Johnson was a lot funner idea when Darren Fox and this whole thing was still put together Yeah that’s kind of what that and that’s why I brought them up And it’s a new front office So I just I like the Cam Johnson thing Okay It’s a wing He can shoot He plays some defense But maybe if we were a little bit more put together here Yeah Feels kind of uninspiring Let’s get to the handoff Damen Barling from DLO and Casey They are coming up next Go from noon to 4 right here on ESPN 1320 What’s up man Oh my bad That’s on me My fault Uh you know talking trades Okay A lot of trade ideas Do you want to hear James trade idea I do Where did the other chair go I don’t know I didn’t even notice that until you got here And I don’t I don’t know There was nowhere for you There were three here yesterday which means someone this You want to go check in on that Maybe Maybe you have an idea I have an idea Uh I have an idea Is it maybe down in studio 4 you think Uh one two three four Yeah either that or Paul Marshall I guess Well that damn that damn Paul Paul Marshall has been known to be our nemesis Uh go ahead James You’re your Paul Marshall regularly giving me headaches There we go Yeah boy Yeah So Paul Marshall’s never giving me a headache Can’t wait for football season Well that’s that’s not a headache That’s just different He got very upset about that He has strong football takes He does have strong football takes The king of the drive by take dude Oh yeah You’re sitting there mining and he’ll just This is Paul Marshall just walks by like this Hey Lamar Jackson Not a Pro Bowler And then he walks away Yeah You’re like “Hey.” He’s 60 feet away And you’re like “Wait what?” And he’s just like “Yeah bumble too much.” No he just does He does No it’s just the point where you want to go “Hey screw you man To hell with you You don’t know him like that That’s my quarterback Yeah All right Trade ideas Trade ideas So my uh my trade idea I came up with today um Zack Lavine Spurs uh 2027 pick and a protected 26 or 27 pick from the Kings for Trey Young Okay Salaries match up perfectly You just you don’t even have to add players or subtract players And Atlanta feels like they’ve got a score comes off the books quicker than Trey does Well they have the same amount of years but Trey wants an extension right now Yeah Trey is one to get paid Yeah And four years younger and he’s an option right He has uh a player option one year at 46 and then a player option at 48 and a half Okay Which he’ll absolutely opt out Yeah Yeah Well I mean you’d have to sign him to an extension this summer Well that’s what I’m saying There’s Charlie with a chair Thank you Charlie Charlie there’s one time he’s not paying attention to me That’s fine He knew where to look He looked in studio 4 That’s where it was That’s funny I know there were extra people in studio 4 today You know what Let’s not go to the eagle studio which is right next door Let’s see Let’s see if we can get under dlo skin at some point today Mission accomplished bro Absolutely spectacular Uh okay So that’s that’s the first part of this I love that I I love that That’s what I said If he can get out of Zack Lavine’s contract and get a star level point guard in the same deal I love that That’s a That move just by itself is a is a home Yeah absolutely Let’s get to the second part Second part is a take Okay Wait a second Second part of the same trade No it’s a two-part play Okay Oh because because if you’re getting Trey Young you need to now add Wings someone to play Yeah Yes Literally Yes Yes Okay taking Dear and dealing him to Miami for Himeme Hawz and for Okay Duncan Robinson Duncan Robinson Okay so I get my shooter who’s who’s got an expiring contract and then I get Haime Hawz Okay I’m good We know that there’s at least something there with Miami I doubt I doubt their interest in Demar De Rozan has died within the last 11 months So and I think their interest in Hime Hawz as a player has died I believe that’s accurate Well there’s a hit There’s videotape evidence to prove Oh no I did not know that No I mean you see his minutes last year kind of Yeah I thought you meant like evidence of No No No When did that happen Whoa There’s a rumor that There’s a rumor if you’re not keeping up because we’ve referenced it There’s a rumor that Haimeh Hawk has slept with Eric Spolster’s wife That is the And it’s his ex-wife not his current Oh I thought it was his current wife and his ex-wife That’s how it was It’s now his ex-wife Okay He didn’t get remarried then It’s just he it’s the it’s the woman because there was always the report that Miami waited to sign Eric Spolster to his contract extension till after the divorce was final Yeah Which I have no idea if that’s true but that’s Yeah After he already come to a settlement That’s the greatest I’ve got your back moment in history Yeah Yeah That’s crazy So yeah but for some reason I thought he remarried but I I guess not Okay Well thank goodness Well all right So it sounds like Hi my Hawkeyes could be on his way out of Miami And again this is another spot where dude if you can Demard Rosen is not a fit here I don’t think And if you can go get two players who very clearly fit Yeah Yeah I don’t love just a no-brainer for me Duncan Robinson 20 million but it’s just one year and then you’re done with it And like the dude can shoot Yeah I mean he’s your your new Kevin Herder We we talked about this a little bit earlier You’re one Kevin Herder Yeah maybe your new old Kevin Herder Yeah please If you’re the Hawks are you trading Trey This is where This is where I Yeah I just This is where I get hung up on this Trey Trey doesn’t fit with that young group I feel like you’ve had all these high picks and like unless you’re ready to win now why are you giving Trey Young like a fiveyear max extension or whatever it may be I figure you’d want to collect picks and just kind of develop this group more No that’s where I’m at That’s where I think they’re at too Is there is he And they have a whole new front office right Yeah Yeah Yeah I don’t know I I Trey is uh the the sit Trey is head scratching to me I genuinely like if I was Atlanta I don’t know what I would do I don’t feel like I would trade him Of all of the names that have been brought up Atlanta’s the one The Trey Young one is the one where I like I just don’t understand this They have the the issue LaMelo I do because you’re garbage and you’re you’re not even approaching getting better Atlanta I don’t know that they’re that different from Sacramento in that that front office can go we could be a a pretty decent team We could be a really solid team in this conference with a few tweaks We don’t have to rip everything apart And that’s where I don’t necessarily agree on the timeline thing because Jaylen Johnson is not three or four years away Jaylen Johnson is is here Um uh who’s it Who’s the other one Anaka Aongw became a starter this year He is here He is ready to go Dyson Daniels is has a right He is here This is not Reach might need a couple of more years but this isn’t some team that hey you know what They got a lot of guys who are not productive now but hey in the future Trey’s only 27 Yeah I’m with you I’m 100% with you There are a couple years they are they are they could be like you said a couple of tweaks they could be really good next year That’s that’s that’s the one that has just left me the most confused I was listening to Zack Low this morning talking about Trey Young and and we have that written in today’s show But it’s interesting He’s like there’s not a big market for him and I don’t think Atlanta’s actually looking to move him But you know that he he didn’t rep he’s not saying no Atlanta’s not looking to move He was like “I don’t think they would for reasons that we’re discussing right now.” Like why You you you make a few changes to the roster You you have a like a decent little young team right there that in that conference can make top six And that conference can you know at worst you’re regularly competing at the higher end of the playin tournament And that’s that’s probably worst case scenario for a team that puts itself together I don’t look at Atlanta and Charlotte as the same thing Atlanta is close enough for me to feel like I could I could they’re no different than Sacramento in my opinion 40 and 42 I believe well then they’re exactly the same as Sacramento and that like I think both groups can be like yeah if we just do a couple of things now we could talk about I think I think if Atlanta makes the right moves they they might have a stronger long-term sure path than Sacramento does But again like I’m not of the belief you have to trade everyone on Sacramento and tear this whole thing thing down You can make the playoffs next year You could probably make the playoffs for the next couple of years Now what happens after that I have no idea Scott Perry’s going to have to use the next couple of off seasons to figure that out But like immediately yeah there’s enough there that you can manage this off seasonason right and be in a good position And for Atlanta to go back to the original point for Atlanta I don’t think managing the offseason is trading Trey I did not get to that portion of this particular Zach Low podcast because I’ve not gotten to listen to a lot of pods lately So I’ve had some stacked up and I’ve just gone back and listened So I’ve heard Zack Low say the same thing about the finals a bunch of times in a row So I just went back and listened to and I had to turn it off when he said that he picked the Thunder in five but then after Indiana won game one he moved his pick to the Thunder in sixish Yeah Sixish So five six seven That’s not And I just turned I was so annoyed I turned off That’s not that different than what Anthony Slater said It’s just people going all in on they think the win was a fluke They think what the Pacers did was a fluke And so if they had it in five they’re trying to convince themselves they’re not going to win the next four And so they’ll give the little buffer okay Indiana might fall into one more but it’s going to be when it’s 3-1 and no one’s going to care And then the series will end in six Oklahoma City’s not going into Indiana winning two I don’t think so either I’m not I’m back on Monday There will be two games since then I’m expecting to come back to a two- two series I don’t know who wins which game but I think I’m I don’t Oklahoma City’s really good I like Oklahoma City a lot but man I don’t think they go get both in Indiana If Indiana wins in six I would just prefer they win in five Oklahoma City Uh yeah Oklahoma City If Oklahoma City wins in six I just prefer they win in five because we’re on the post game after game five Oh so just win just win that night Which which I was going to say a channel but I don’t know which channel it is It’s ABC It’s with Kevin Yeah Oh yeah All right Check out DLO and Casey Look great in suits Great in suits There we go Absolutely Uh James appreciate you Jesse appreciate you What you guys got coming up on DO and Casey I forgot to do that bit Uh Trista it’s Tuesday so Trista uh for anywhere from 30 to minutes to 60 Who knows It we we’ll figure it out live Uh Jason Jones final hour of the show Obviously a lot of conversation like this and trying to figure out someone asked like someone asked James yesterday actually what was the direction of where Monty McNair was going with this roster We’re going to try to figure out what direction the Sacramento Kings are going to go this off season Yeah And how the first move may give a pretty strong indication of what that is Can’t wait DLO KC coming up next for James Ham Joe Brazil and Jesse Tapia I’m Kyle Madson The Insiders back tomorrow at 10 a.m right here on ESPN 1320 sponsored by Jify Lube or Sacramento Sports Leader Until then drink water Be nice people Uh what are you doing here You good Everything good Yeah Okay Is this something I need to Okay All right All right All right All right I’ll see you guys on Monday Uh James and friends uh the rest of the week going to be a ton of fun Tap in [Music] Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah We got them screaming dowo We got them screaming dowo We your number one spy We your number one spot for some sports Huh Got the city going crazy when we work Huh We too but we ain’t two We in first And when you need the real we is who you search Huh D [Music] We your number one spy Let’s go One time One time I guess All right man This I got a couple things on my mind Off the rip Couple things already off the rip Just random like in the last two minutes Okay First of all let them know who we are Oh thanks I’m Damian Barling the ultimate needle mover in God bode himself Kenny Carowway Yes sir Acknowledge me Lie for the worst of you know who What are you doing with him First of all this everybody’s real cute No they’re real cute They they got jokes here This This is This is great No this is great Why What’s happening This No this is great Okay I haven’t worn a denim shirt in I don’t know how long Yeah And then all of a sudden I decide to wear a denim shirt and it’s the same damn day that Damian wears a denim shirt I gave this shirt to Katie I don’t even wear it anymore No we look we look ridiculous We look stupid Real quick Smile Smile Smile at the camera so we get a screenshot real quick Picture day Yeah No we look we look ridiculous No this is this is No this is great Fantastic No you’ve got yours button I might unbutton one more just to make sure Look we’re not the same He’s buttoned up here at the neck I’m I’m I’m Richard Jefferson here Come on man Let’s about to go LeBron James See if I can piss off Kenny and Isaiah Thomas Do it This is ridiculous Do it Game five Do it Do it He doing a radio show with a shirt off No this is ridiculous This This absolutely ridiculous So that’s the first thing that just happened Just 10 seconds It’s like this is this and then everybody get their little cho twinsies all this All right All right bro All right Second of all I’mma be pissed off for the homie I’mma be pissed off for the homie just in case he’s not I’m pretty sure he is but just in case he’s not I’mma be pissed off for the homie Who Yeah Who Yo why did they have you parking at Kaiser today bro Why they have you parking at Kaiser Oh you parked far today Yeah Come on man I drive in I said “Oh you know usually I see him up towards the front.” Soon as I hit the corner there’s I said “Yo what’s going on?” Yo these people are starting Hey they need to know their role They need to know their role If you’re not upset I’m going to be upset for you They got you parking at Kaiser right now You’re down the street from Target Basically you’re around the corner from there They need to fix this Did they clear out your parking space before you got here Yeah Okay I park where I’m a whole section over now bro I’m where the promotions trucks are Wow I know Hold on I don’t park next to the promotion truck I don’t I don’t park next to the truck I park a little bit to the to the side where it’s just by itself or whatever Yeah just away from all the cars But yeah we’re in a whole new section now bro It’s tough It’s so tough Sometimes there’s a truck that parks my spot too Poor Jesse’s underneath the uh electrical stansion thing I legit No that’s legit where I’m at I’m taking a walk I’m taking a walk to my car every day now He might get electrocuted going to his car Yeah So yeah it’s WB Jones construction out there Sometimes I can’t even park there cuz the landscapers got their truck So I’m just I’m a I’m I’m a man I’m a lost man right now No this great Every everybody finds this funny A text comes in from Katie So you and Kenny are twinning today huh Oh no Like I said this is adorable It’s adorable No I might do like LeBron bro I might do like LeBron Do it Saurin says “I’m Kevin Malone We didn’t talk to the forefathers.” Whatever It’s not that day We need our parking spots back It’s ridiculous though Yeah they had my man parked over there by Jack in the Box man So I was like “Yo I don’t know if he’s upset but I’m upset for him.” And then the last thing see I don’t mind walking It doesn’t bother me as much because like I like I wake up early in the morning to work I always like find myself getting frustrated Like if I get frustrated looking for a parking space like how stupid is that It just means I have to walk further which is fine I literally wake up at 4 in the morning to work out to try to maintain some level of shape If I have to walk an extra 50 feet into the office it’s not the end of the world That’s not That doesn’t mean that I’m not agitated every time I pull into the parking lot with these noobs next door and apparently they’re 200 deep roster It’s facts No bro It’s It’s not about the It’s the principality Yeah I believe in paying your dudes Like you guys just got here Go ahead and go park Go park down the street or something Hey man These these dudes in there with their backpack in the bathroom too Like hey bro I got two and a half minutes to pee I’m going to need you to do it I need you to move There’s priorities here Backpack’s got bathroom fumes on it now man Throw that in the washer No man You’re right You hit the you hit the nail right on the head These noobs out here taking up all the uh close parking spots And like I’m like you I go to the mall I go to the store I’ll park in the back I don’t care I’ll take a walk But it’s the principality of the situation principality Yeah And Okay look at this Oh Katie being a little sympathizer here because Katie gets here at 5 in the morning Nobody She doesn’t have saw this morning She gets the number one spot Every morning there you big old white truck parked out right there No one’s going to get in the way of that She’s like “Hey the noobs next door brought Odyssey cupcakes.” Well guess what The people that show up once every four days in this building ate all of the cupcakes And two you can keep your cupcakes if you give me my damn park back I didn’t ask for cupcakes I asked for a space I didn’t take a cupcake off princip Look at all this sympathizing from inside the building It be on people man It’d be It’s crazy The other day I had to come here at like 11:45 p.m And I had one car here It was a little janitor She looked at me like “The hell are you?” I bet she knew where you were going though Don’t nobody else in this office parked show up to go into any other suite except this one at at 11:35 in the morning or in the afternoon or in the evening excuse me Yeah man So there was that And then the third thing that I saw once again this all happened basically at the most four minutes ago because I saw you parking you know what I mean And then then I saw what you were wearing and then watching TV and bro we missing we missing out on so much cuz we can’t gamble in this state That is It’s so ridiculous I told I don’t disagree but what what prompted It was on the betting show was on Oh Oh Oh ESPN Bet or Bet Plus or something like that I told you about the experience I had when I went to DC You went to the little MGM Grand Dies Just walk up there $5 They got the machine key I boom boom I get it I go It’s it’s it’s right there Like it’s one thing to be like in Vegas because usually when you go to Vegas like it’s a big spectacle like you’re at a hotel you got to park bro I could literally from the house I should be able to drive to Sky River put the bed in boom boom boom Mhm And then when I win go back up there afterwards collect and I got $40 in my pocket right there Missing out on so much You know what is funny though When you’re in Vegas opening up the prize picks app and the app just going “No [ __ ] That’s not how this works That is that is not how this game is played Close the app dummy Walk down to the sports book and do what you got to do.” I thought I I didn’t I was new to the to the game but I thought “Oh yeah the MGM Bet app Like this is dope Like now I’m in Vegas I’ll sign up while I’m in Vegas They said “No your license says California sir You cannot use this.” We were when we left uh it must have been the It must have been Mandalay Bay We were like trailing me and Trista And Trista was like “We’re here.” And she starts running through odds for like WNBA MVP like wins and loss totals in the W And we’re like standing here looking at the board like should we do it And we’re kind of like um no let’s go And we wound up not placing any bets but we were standing in the sports book of uh Mandalay Bay where she did her show when she was out there for the Super Bowl Gotcha And we wound up not putting We wound up not should have gone to look to see if the Kings had a win loss total yet Oh just just have taken it Yeah just see what it see what the hell happens going under I don’t know what the number is last But yeah man We just I just saw we just I can’t believe they just And I know I know it’s going to happen It’s probably going to happen within the next 18 months two years But it I don’t even think I don’t even think it’ll be up and running in two years Like when it passes I don’t think it’ll be up and running I think it’s going to take I heard it’ll take more time cuz there there’s probably going to be some people opposed to it that’ll push against it So it might it might be four or five years we have this I’m an old man at that point That’s crazy That’s absolutely crazy Well this is what I had to look up 17 and a half is the number for your boy on TV tomorrow Your boy on TV by the way is Tyrese Hallebertton I I went 17 and a half is the number I did a little something I ain’t even gonna say who I did it with cuz I don’t even know if that’s official You can go Goblin at 12 and a half And 13 and 1/2 and 14 and 1/2 You can go demon at 19 and a half You can go super demon at 21 and 1/2 Wow You can go you have lost your goddamn mind at 24 and a half I’m going tell you right now cuz I I can’t remember what I did but I remember seeing the number I went over on 17 and a half He’s in Indiana He had a bad game too Went over SGAA is at 34 Went under Yeah Yeah Wow He might get 32 KC hates SGAA Find out why No I went Well you know which one I’ll take They got Jaylen at 20 and a half Would you I haven’t done anything yet You taking I’d take the less I’d take the less I have these They’re already ready to go Look they’re already ready to go And the other one I have is Seakam 19 and a half Yeah I think I think you’re right on the Tyrese 17 and a half Boy this I’m I’mma take I’m gonna take ah I have I might I might take that 34 What’s the What’s the demon look like for SGA Probably 36 huh Ah 37 It’s 39 and a half Oh wow Bro if you take that you know something What kind of payoff does that give me Hold on Oh that ain’t even worth it Oh hell no point game bro You can go super demon get you 16 times your money at 44 and a half That is insane A 44 and a half point line is insane Goodness gracious Wow Yeah that’s a lot And you took the less on 34 I took the less on 34 and a half Let’s see Let me let me see if Let me see if what is Oh yeah It ain’t even worth It ain’t even worth betting SGA’s points Unless you’re going like like unless Yeah Unless you’re going Unless you’re doing that 44 and a half number it’s not worth touching That’s crazy Wow And then I went I went crazy I went Seaka more than 19 and a half Tyrese obviously more than 17 and a half So I probably think the Pacers are gonna win tomorrow That’s my guess If they go more if those two can go more I think the Pacers win I think Well if that other one pays off too when you have Jaylen at leusive what’s best for business score 20 they got him at five and a half Oh that’s a go I’m sorry That’s a goblin What’s best for business is Indiana winning tomorrow Cuz that sets up a game four where if you go by my scenario where I think Indiana has to win them both to win the series Now they won game three Now can they get that That’s That’s the ultimate swing game game four If the Pacers win game three oh yeah we gonna have some fun with this cuz now you start looking at role players in Indiana I might set a fivep person lineup or something Benedict Matan what’s his what’s his Benedict Mathan is he’s not on the main page Give me Give me Give me Give me If he’s more than 13 and a half you got to think about taking more Let’s see what Matine has I got him at eight and a half Got him at eight and a half Oh you might have to take that math I might have to just get a You got a demon You got a demon at nine and a half Oh I might I might need a separate team You got a demon at 11 and a half You got a demon at 14 and a half You could So so you you in on Ben Mat in this one huh Yeah it feels like it feels like a 17-point performance for him Well I’ve gotten up to 41 times my money Whoa That’s a six out of six though We’ll come back Uh we’re just gambling It’s fine We’re going to gamble with the Kings future when D Casey returns Sacramento sports leader ESPN 1320 I’ll I’ll text you Is uh Kyle in there with you Okay You can read this out loud to him Yeah Yeah Okay [Music] man Jesus That’ll be crazy That would be crazy Shout out to the dancer in the office Secret secrets are no fun Secret secrets hurt someone Oh yeah that was a good episode That was a good episode although cousin Isaiah looks like the most LA dude ever I’ve had a Uber to work a couple times It’s a lot of trust The auto mall Yeah Yeah That’s I mean not from there but that’s where they got my people at pretty much Wilson can’t afford that Sorry I was like “Casey can I get the homie discount?” He’s like “Nope full price.” I don’t have a limo service bro All right just burn it all down Remember we’ll be at Sky River Casino one week from this Friday Our first ever night with dealing with KC 32 Brew Street Sky River Casino a live show from 7 to 9 o’clock I’m counting something in my head I’m about to ask you next s next Friday Do you think we’re still talking about the NBA Finals Uh five Six would be Thursday I would think we’re probably maybe Yeah it’s still travel So yeah six will probably be I feel like we’re I’ve always felt six or seven I’m leaning towards Friday We’re talking about the basketball season being over I agree I got OKC in six Yeah that’s a good series though Like six Well it it it is It could also be deceitful Like it could be 3-1 And that’s why I think a lot of Well I I think he was right though Well I mean he was right The way that this series is gone if OKC goes up 3-1 and Indiana wins game what is that Five Mhm I I I love the Pacers I just don’t think I’m I’m not betting on any team in the league to beat the Thunder four times in a row Even you get that proverbial we do this all the time Yo you you you don’t need to win two games if it’s 3-2 You need to win one because come game seven all bets are off I don’t feel that way in this series It’s like the the Thunder get up 3-1 All right this inevitably the series is over Thunder up 3-2 It’s still over Thunder up 3-3 This is great We get a G It’s over They’re not losing three straight It I would It would be one of those things Again as big of a you know Pacer believer as I am I won’t believe even with the hint of like anything can happen I won’t believe the Thunder are going to lose three straight until it’s actually happened Yeah Yeah I I that’s why I think they got to win both the home games cuz if you split them best I just can’t imagine that happening The Pacers Yeah I can’t imagine them beating Yeah I know Like at the the best case scenario for Indiana right now is just to go every other every other game You got the first one You can hold on and do it right But winning then you got to game seven in OKC Yeah You got to win on the road again You’ve done it I mean there’s got to be a certain level of we’ve done it You just don’t want to be down 3-1 when you have to do it again Get a get get one of these games in Indiana I don’t think I think the stat that was floating around yesterday is they haven’t won a game three yet Yeah No they haven’t This this season close either So I think the Knicks game was close Um I can’t remember the Knicks game three They actually blew a 20-point lead Oh that’s right Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Abs Oh yeah that game Yeah No it was it was it was I think it was 20 Yeah that game was that game I I that was a that was a Sunday afternoon I think Memorial Day weekend Yeah I thought I thought that I thought this series was over I was preparing the the group text Yeah the the Knicks came back and got that one That Wow that was game three Okay Um yeah So anyways I I can’t I to answer your question by the time the live show roll by Thursday’s game six June 19th Yeah I by the time um by the time that live show rolls around which isn’t a live radio show by the way It’s it’s a live show It’s not a live radio show Yeah I think the the finals ended the night before Well we’ll see But come out and have some fun with us on Friday night That’s when the according to a lot of people that’s when the real fun starts when you talk about the NBA Yeah that’s when the real fun that’s we’ll read you all the text messages we get about the Sky River Casino and find out why we randomly start talking about stuff That’s not true We will tell a bunch of stories though Uh and we’re hoping for uh we we we tried to get Mike uh Bby uh coaches is out of town I’m sure uh recruiting We’re still working on a few other things with SAK State Uh it no matter what though we’re gonna we’re gonna have a blast It’s going to be a very unique show It’s going to be very different Uh we’ll be able to be far more interactive with with the people who are able to come out and hang out with us because we’re not we’re not um stuck to the radio format right Like we don’t have a you know when we’re at Sky River when we’re on that stage as much fun as we’re having with the people in front of us as much fun as we’re having with everyone on the screen we are still serving the radio audience There’s no live broadcast there’s no radio broadcast there’s no stream there’s no nothing This is just for the people who can come out and hang out uh in attendance 32 Bruce Street one week from Friday June 20th from 7:00 to 9:00 Going to be good times man Three shows that day for DO and KC Three shows ESPN KSFM and the live show You hear that Three shows Anybody No No one heard us No one heard us All right Oh man Five years in still invisible We’ll keep trying That’s all we going to keep working on One day we’ll be seen One day we’ll be seen Yes I can Yes we can Um well James was talking a lot about Trey Young this morning which is weird for James It is Twitter was talking about him too Twitter’s buzzing Done Casey was talking about him yesterday That’s facts Well hell was talking about him a week and a half ago to be honest maybe more What hypothetically Trey Young lands in Sacramento What And and and I’m going to assume this doesn’t involve Damonte Sabonis Hypothesize that this doesn’t involve Damonte Sabonis What’s that signal for this Scott Perry version of the Sacramento Kings or does it signal anything For me if it signals anything it’s we’re we’re trying to win Yeah he’s trying to win Don’t rebuild And this is Trey Young’s team You’re trying to win Trey Young’s team Yeah he’s definitely the best player on it which is what you guys have been asking for Is that accurate A better talking about that Yeah and and and you you you want a better player than Damonte Sabonis for for this team to really take any sort of stride you have to get a player who is better than Damonte Sabonis Yeah I agree I agree with that I I like I would always say that if they got somebody on the same level as Lavine or Damonte Sabonis that they would they could they could be good like they could be a high playing team push for a six seed or whatever but I wouldn’t say that they would be better with a guy equal to Lavine or Sabonis You get somebody like Trey now you have the opportunity to be better than you were last year Trey is a um I don’t know what the right word is but he’s kind of a superstar and waiting I feel like I think he uncovered um like he’s got it all It’s just it’s just he needs to be unlocked Like you’re not going to do that in Atlanta And I don’t even you have to win in Sacramento for that to happen But like Trey my point is like Trey’s a really good player I feel like I don’t think the Eastern Conference Finals was a fluke or anything like that I just think when you build the right team around them like you can be successful I agree Well that’s a that’s a good look That’s a good look I mean the other look was a good look too You can’t go wrong I would unbutton my tank top on I just wanted to see how this would would look if I if I button my collar So So we can look even dumber than we did I mean here go Hold on Hold on Hold on Radio audience No it’s fine Like absolute jackasses You know you can go get an insiders hoodie from the corner if you want I already got one of those when it was freezing cold in this place one time Shut up No Why do I got to change Cuz I already took one insider hoodie That’s true That’s true I don’t know how many you can feel I could get a You could get a Abe shirt I could get a I feel like we’re the only one One we’re the only They give us No They One they give us nothing Two we’re the only ones they don’t make stuff for either Talk about how they treat us Not one person has come to us and said “Hey you know all of that time and money you’ve invested on why don’t you shoot us one of those logos We’ll get a bunch of those hand them out to the staff.” I literally had to purchase gear to give to our general manager So he can rock the DLo and Casey gear Come on man Baby like “Oh this is nice Thanks.” It’s not Hey we should these Yeah New complex complaining to me yesterday Oh yeah These quality of the wakeup call live shirts we ordered just not what I hoped Really Ain’t that a [ __ ] I’m so I’m sorry it didn’t meet your quality Sorry to hear that Hey how many of those did you order for the people going to the event Oh about 250 Oh terrific That’s good That’s good Oh man This place crazy bro I love it here though It’s crazy This is crazy I love it Sitting here like the most two useless human beings ever constructed man Sitting here like Jas Ramsey and Bob Wood Just just no purpose on the team at all like uh remember remember when Justin James had that that big-time game then the Kings got eliminated from postseason contention Yes He had like 33 Yeah When the Knicks blew a lead to the Spurs or Yeah The Knicks were ahead of the Spurs They’re like “Oh man we’re still alive.” And the Kings were in Memphis and I think Metu had a big game Justin James had a big game They they came back from like down 20 It’s like “Oh the Kings.” And then they couldn’t win the game you got eliminated That sounds like so many Kings games to be honest with you They couldn’t get it done and they just got eliminated But I don’t think we going to have those issues if I straight come to town If I straight come to town they ain’t going to be talk when they talk about getting eliminated I think you talking about getting eliminated in the first or second round Now I know people gonna be like “He ain’t made to play He always get bouncing.” No don’t worry about all that Ice Trey you come to Sacramento It’s all good It’s all good Yeah this one’s really out there According to a seemingly random individual no He really is random The guy who this brother is from Dallas Uh is that where he’s from Is that Grant Yeah Yeah I don’t But he got 400,000 followers I don’t Yeah I don’t really get into it He’s not someone I follow No I I Okay we’ll we’ll say this He He’s got it out there Um I don’t Oh he’s got 40,000 Slight difference Slight slight difference Um with Trey you know acquiring him is giving him a contract extension Uh he’s opting out He would I assume opt out of a player option worth 48.9 million dollars which comfortably means your extension is starting around there in the the the low 50s and then escalating I’m sure probably up to 50 not not not knowing exactly where it starts Probably a 56 57 at the end Everybody go with that I’m okay with it I’m fine with it It’s a it’s a I mean it’s it’s you’ve you’ve you’ve you’ve clearly picked a direction Yeah It’s a it’s a there’s a bit of a risk with Trey because there are some things that you got to work around with Trey Young Um he’s had a couple moments in the last year or two that raised some eyebrows for me when you talk about I want to say teammate but I remember DeJontce Murray being really upset with him and Trey just kind of seemingly not caring So that sticks out in my mind Um so there there are risks involved but you got to you got to you got to go for the gusto I believe And the the the original tweet was Sacramento is motivated to find a long-term solution The point guard has shown interest in Darius Garland and Trey Young I asked the question to everybody who would you want Darius Garland or Trey Young I said it’s time to go go big or go home Go for the gusto I think Trey gives you the biggest upside So I’d go for Trey Young What do you got to lose if you’re the Kings More losing So uh so here here are some numbers Um digging a little bit deeper four years Uh Young’s contract that the guard is eligible for a 4-year 220 Just start over Trey Young is eligible for a four-year $229 million contract extension That’s what Now I want to remind everyone of the conversation we had yesterday I think regarding Pascal Seakum and how we look in hindsight man Monty missed on Pascal Seakum Money missed on OG and Anobi We know I mean we saw it We saw it with New York We saw with Indiana a key factor people think oh they don’t want to come to Sacramento they don’t want to come to Sacramento you got the money if you you pay they will arrive right and in the seakum situation and James kind of broke this down for us I and you noted this I think it was the first time it was broken down this simplicity we talked about like was Keegan involved in this we know Malik’s name was thrown in at at some point during those discussions and Sacramento really wasn’t keen on that but in the end it seemed to all boil down to that contract extension Their extension came in at less than what Indiana offered Pascal Seakum They offered him a max contract extension I reminded everyone how we posed the question following the Seakkum signing knowing what it would have cost in addition to whatever the deal looked like We’ll say Keegan or Malik because we we don’t know knowing what it might have cost player-wise knowing exactly what would have it it would have cost extensionwise how do we feel about it The overwhelming response was “No we’re fine We’re fine We didn’t do that.” Like I I wouldn’t have been okay if the Kings did this It feels different now because we’re watching Seakkum play in the NBA Finals We’re looking at what the pairing of uh Seakkum and and and Tyrese Hallebertton has been able to accomplish So for those who have their opinions uh maybe negative opinions on Trey Young I ask you to remind yourself of the Seakum situation If the Kings have an opportunity to land Trey Young offering him a four-year $229 million extension I wouldn’t be so quick to turn your nose up at that Again you’re going to have to give something up to acquire him I don’t know what that ultimately looks like but I’m assuming Damont Sabonis is still a part of this team I’m assuming I would think man I’m trying to figure this out either Keegan or Keon are still a part of this cuz you need somebody to play defense Yeah one of those two for sure And I would I I I don’t know but I don’t know I don’t know who it’ll be But you need people who can play defense I would push for it to be Keegan above Keon if you had to give up one of them Have no idea if you even do James presented a a trade proposal that’s centered around Zack Lavine and um I don’t remember Maybe it was Devin Carter I can’t remember who the other player was maybe Devin Carter but you need someone on your roster who could play defense You need a couple of guys on your roster who could play defense You need someone in your starting lineup who can play a solid level of defense and that’s better suited to be Keegan than Keon in this situation of Domas and Trey being together So uh shout out to Kings Muse Uh they had great account They had great account They had a couple of trades you know through the trade machines that just work logistically Okay You know um the first one was Dom involved in the trade 2031 first 2025 second round pick That’s it The next one is Demar De Rozan Malik Monk 27 first 29 first 31 first for Trey Okay Okay And the last one which I kind of like D Rozan Valenunis Devin Carter Three first rounders and a second rounder this year Now I like it I don’t know if I don’t know if Atlanta would like that It feels like if Atlanta’s trading Trey Young they’re looking to acquire assets They’re not looking to compete That’s the only reason why that one could seem plausible because they’re not looking for a sub bonus or a Lavine back in return They want your picks and they want you want your assets So that one might be plausible because of that But realistically you’re probably I think that that middle one is the one the D Rozan Malik Monk three firstrounders would probably be what the price would be I would think Man three first rounders Well I mean what I guess it’s about what Seakkum was Three first rounders and and it’s a lot when that’s the Malik that’s the Malik deal that has the Malik and the one without Malik with Valent and uh Deon Carter Okay Okay If I would I would push to take one of those first I really don’t want to lose Valenunis No I really I really don’t want to lose him Not at all I’m not saying that should be a hangup I’m just saying hey man can I talk you into something else If I um Okay so let me let me ask you another quick question Okay Lavine and Trey in the same back court Yeah I mean it’s not it’s not the ideal situation for one year maybe Yeah it’s not the idea situation but if that lands you Trey Young I’ll deal with that maybe for a year and then figure out what I could do with Zach after that I hear you Okay Um the one of the things maybe a small detail here anything involving Devin Carter So the one they have involving Deon Carter right now is three first rounders in the second I would try to work to take one of those first rounders off You’re getting secondyear Devin Carter Yeah on a rookie deal Come on man Give me Give me one of those We went through the tough times for you Yeah right We we we christened him We broke them in Like you got to you know how you got to premoke a grill like once you once you know once you get it from Home Depot or whatever Yeah Yeah Same thing Did that did that We have seasoned the grill for you That’s got to count for something Yeah man So got to I would try to get one of those first rounders back if Devin Carter is involved They might laugh at Yeah I’m Well they might I’d still do it though But then again I mean I mean we kind of got this in the rundown I’d like to see what you guys heard but if people are really out there talking about there’s not as much of a market for Trey Young as maybe we would think maybe you do have a little bit of uh negotiating leverage if you’re Well that wasn’t a report That was the opinion of Zack Low Um which which I don’t want to say it’s the same as a report but I think Zach be talking to people No Zack Zach’s connected Yeah for sure Zack Zach’s connected And I know sometimes uh guys cushion reports that they’re unsure about as No this is just my opinion I I don’t think there’s a big market for him and I don’t think the Hawks should trade him or I don’t really know if teams are willing to offer the four-year you know 220 plus extension I I that’s just my opinion and it’s based off you know formed his opinion Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Ain’t nothing wrong with that And GM literally said “No I will not be.” No I in fact won’t I in fact won’t But you’re right Zach’s connected enough to where like oh maybe maybe there’s something to that Maybe there’s something to that I I’m I’m all in on Trey man But there’s also a possibility Is there any concern about bidding against yourself like you you can you can a you you want to be aggressive but maybe if you truly do know the market you can play back a little bit but at that you risk Atlanta getting tired of the conversations tired of the phone calls um you risk Trey Young getting or a player getting agitated by you know obviously if there are discussions between Atlanta and Sacramento Trey knows this Yeah Because an extension is involved his agents involved Everybody is aware That’s that’s they don’t want us to know that that’s how the league works but we’re all hip to the game We know how this works conversations between Sacramento and Atlanta really mean conversations between Sacramento Atlanta and Trey Young’s agent Those are the conver just like the conversations between the Toronto Raptors and the Sacramento Kings were between Messiah Jerry McNair and Pascal Seakum’s agent OG Anobi’s agent That’s how the game is played And so his agent will know exactly how many other teams they’ve talked to right and you could probably get a feel for how many teams he’s talked to by how many by how they’re playing this You also get a feel for if Atlanta’s interested in anything else happening And this is where Scott Perry becomes really really valuable I will explain what I’m talking about Wendy Lo and Casey return here We’re thrilled that you’re here with us Jump in What do you think Homers are hot right now out there on the internet The Sacramento Kings Trey Young Kings where you at 91691320 Just a quick coming up at the 2:00 hour Jason Jones final hour of the show Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 All right this one’s hilarious [Laughter] Frank I think you I think you tripping man Trey Young is Trey Young literally one of the best players in the game Yeah I think Trey Young slept on a little bit Former Monarch head coach I wonder how many people know Jenny Buick was the Monarch’s last head coach or no I guess well no I think she was I think Whiz was coming back and then the team folded so he wound up Not I think I think Jenny Buk was in fact the last Sacramento Monarchs head coach unless I can’t remember maybe Whiz fired her during the season but she’s been close with Rick Carile forever and she’s been I I think since she left the W she’s been on Rick Carile staff both in Dallas and now in Indiana where and where she played Virginia Is that where that was I don’t know I know she played for the Rockers The Cleveland Rockers The Cleveland Rockers Yeah man Yeah man Yeah that’s somebody I was talking to uh Sheron Baltimore about that the other day cuz the Look at those terrible jerseys too There’s Monarch’s coach right there Let’s go baby Yeah I didn’t think she was good coach Full disclosure Seattle That’s right She did coach in Seattle That’s right That’s right She did I think she coached at the Kings I can’t remember if she coached in Seattle uh before or after with Harry Wait she she was on the Kings staff Yeah I’m gonna be honest I don’t remember that Who’s with Harry Who was Harry Is that Dave Is that That’s Jagger right Dave L I I don’t remember Jenny being with the the Sacramento Kings Harry when was Harry was the same draft as Fox right So yeah that was Dave Yeah Huh Huh Learn something new today Yeah Rick Jagger I I I do not remember that at all That was the staff I knew best too I do I don’t I don’t remember that at all Jill say she was with Jagger huh man Really just missed each other All right Well shout out Jenny Got an opportunity to go finals man Got a chance to go win a win a win a championship And I think like this this stuff gets like muddied down so much She’s actually an assistant head coach Not all assistant coaches are assistant coaches their other things A lot of you know women on staffs are back of the bench or you know second bench Jenny is front row near Rick Like she is one of Rick’s top top assistants Yeah Shout out to Rick Carlile for that cuz there’s a lot of one in particular coaches who claim to be really forward thinking but have never once hired a woman to their staff Y’all can figure that out who that is on your own 91691320 Elgrove kid talk line You want to talk about Trey Young Uh it’s rumor season baby Hashtag rumor season Uh with the Sacramento Kings uh James put together a trade proposal for what uh Trey Young might look like Of course you can search the internet and see that there are discussions and perhaps have been discussions um with the Sacramento Kings and the Atlanta Hawks A big uh footnote to this is not just acquiring Trey Young for this season and a player option year This is acquiring Trey Young with the belief he’s going to opt out of that player option and sign a 4-year $229 million extension It is virtually identical to the situation that the Kings were in in their pursuits of OG Anobi and in their pursuits of Pascal Siaka Aldren Jay asked a question earlier in the chat He says “Would y’all still trade for him if Trey said he wants to test free agency when the contract expires?” Sure I’d trade for him but what I’d give up looks a lot different than what I would if he signed the extension Like if he said “I want to test free agency,” you could probably take and I don’t know if a deal can even get done but you’d be taking off probably two of the possible three first rounders for me Would you even go down that road Yeah But those picks look different That’s That’s what I’m saying That’s what I don’t even know if this is allowed Look you can get one with the option of two A conditional You get you get you get a conditional That’s they have all of these uh things that convey based on minutes based on all these different things Look Trey signs for four years 229 That pick conveys and you get it If not hey we need that Yeah Yeah Sorry Sorry dog You better talk to your boy to sign the contract Yeah No Teach your boy how to squabble Teach your boy how to sign an extension That’s it That’s it I got I got I got the That’d be a crazy Bobby Mark tweet Well Trey Young is signed with the Clippers for less money and Sacramento Kings get to keep their final two picks Is Trey Young better than their 2027 and their 2029 Is Trey Young better than the last point guard they tried to build around Yeah I think Fox um the the one component with Fox though is uh his defense He’s like a far better defender than than Trey Young Yeah Far far Yeah and is still able to score at the close to the level of Trey Young It looks different because he can’t shoot the ball the way Trey Young does Um does Trey have that consistency that we wanted Fox to have for so long as a scorer Yeah he he has that consistency as an offensive player Yeah I mean I I keep saying as a scorer and I don’t mean to downgrade what he did as a facilitator last year I’m not quite sure how he did it because for those who listen regularly I have a strong distaste for Atlanta Hawks basketball I’m not sure why I feel like some I don’t think it centers around Trey I think it centers around the bizarre nature in which they’ve chose to build that roster over the last like six or seven years I know where it comes from For you it was when they were in the playoffs and everybody was so happy for Bogey That was a big goddamn part of it That’s a That’s a shoot That was a tough few weeks for you That was a really big part of it Like you were like really pissed off It just got so like ba like like bogey was here for two and a half seconds Oh I’m so happy for him Yeah go to hell What are you happy for him for And then and then there was that and there was there was that contentious conversation about what I believe it was Monty should have done It was definitely Monty Yeah with the with the bogey contract extension do you do you got the offer sheet Do you match or you do let do you let him walk And so many people were just adamant You you match and you figure it out later There’s no figuring it out later You’re effed if you do that because immediately either Bogey or Buddy become worthless Like figuratively they become worthless on the market because everyone knows you have to get rid of one of them And I was of the mindset that what Monty McNair did was right Forget it He’s not worth it He’s not worth it to this team He’s not worth it I’ve been here two weeks I I had him traded but happy ass Milwaukee had to go tell everybody and we weren’t able to get that executed So forget it Like Bogey has already proven to be a bigger headache than he’s worth And so yeah I don’t care that Atlanta made the playoffs and oh bogeies on the national stage Okay bro All right man All right Bogeies on the national state Y’all happy for Tai too Some of y’all aren’t Some of y’all hating but all right Whatever man Zabbo says in the chat Bogey equals the Sacramento airport rabbit That brings up a discussion Yesterday we had to take Chiron Baltimore to the airport They got out walked her to the to the uh as far as they could go Yeah And I was in the car waiting to pick them up when they were ready to come back Mhm They say “Hey come pick us up at departures or arrivals or whatever.” Get in the car First thing Ryan says “Bunny bunny.” She was so happy to see the rabbit in the airport Ryan poops her pants I don’t care I don’t care Don’t No Okay so here’s what we established That bunny means something to people who aren’t potty trained Terrific Great The the the non-potty trained get really excited about that stupid bunny Kyle’s going on vacation I swear to God you better not come back and take a picture of that stupid Oh you better That’s how I’ll know you’re back in town Were you I didn’t get I I I I got I got back to Las from Las Vegas last Monday KC KC didn’t say “Hey bro You okay?” No Hey hey dog Just checking on you Make sure you’re all right I didn’t see you post a picture of a rabbit man Didn’t check on me one time Obviously you weren’t that concerned that I didn’t make it back Shout out to the Shout out to the bunny in the airport Man this $6 million bunny If I go anywhere this summer please believe when I come back no words needed just the picture You know the vibes Pete Youngman does it We know the vibes Kyle’s too big of a deal to fly out of Oh Sacramento He’s got to go to you know the the big boy airport with the with with with his friends fly direct everywhere Must be nice Whatever Kyle Manson Yeah You know they I was over there yesterday Like I said that’s kind of lives that way but that’s that’s irrelevant That doesn’t matter That doesn’t matter They um they’re building fast over at Sack International Yeah they are They’re building fast I was like “Okay they absolutely are.” Oh man So to Aldren’s point though Uh I’m still taking I’m still taking a chance I’m doing it I’m restructuring the deal I’m I’m hitting him with the I had a better deal two year two two days ago Yeah I’m hitting you with that one But Yeah I’m with that I’m with that I’m I’m all in on Trey Young You know one of the things I looked at during the break that I don’t think I’ve ever seen and maybe it’s more common than because I never really looked for this stuff but I knew Trey left clutch about a year ago I was like “All right well who’s his who’s his agents now?” You know what I’m saying Let me see what’s going on If there’s any Kings players on there or whatever And I go and look and he’s got three agents Now they may be from the same I certainly hope so right But his agents are Aaron Mintz Austin Brown Andrew Morrison Okay I think they’re all from CIA CIA Aaron Mintz I think is CIA but they’re all CIA Okay No And I didn’t see any kings on there So what that might mean is um one guy handles endorsement stuff Um I would assume I mean this is a you know this is a max contract extension I’m assuming uh Aaron Mintz is probably the main guy in that Mhm And I said before the break that I said before the break like this is where Scott Perry this is where the value of Scott Perry really comes into play He has long-term relationships with these agents He has worked with these guys on multiple different levels in multiple different markets including the biggest market in the country on for decades at this point Yeah and that re relationships really really come into play here Um it it we we outlined this a minute ago It’s not just the Hawks and the Kings involved It’s the Hawks the Kings and Trace the the team of CIA agents that you just named Aaron Mintz having a a a strong relationship with Scott Perry can allow the two sides to haggle a little bit right You’re more likely with someone that you know like most importantly someone you trust to sit down and have these conversations Here’s what we can offer Well why is it that it’s also a situation where Aaron can go to Scott Perry Trey’s team can go to Scott Perry and say “Look here’s what we know You’re at two picks You’re going to have to at the very least include a pick swap We know they are not budging without that.” They can often be mediators in this situation in the in the in the situation between these two teams And Atlanta wants you know the approach that that’s best for them Sacramento wants the approach that’s best for them And then Trey’s team or you know the players team they want what’s best for their client right And those individuals they want the deal done right And so they can they can act as as kind of a go-between as the mediator between these two groups And if you have that relationship you tend to trust those people more right And I again that’s why I think Scott Perry’s experience in the league is just so incredibly important Yeah I mean he’s he’s one of the the guys that you would want in this situation to be able to navigate your own front office combined with agents combined with other front offices because of his experience because of his cache I mean when you talk to him part of it is you know he’s that’s just the type of guy he is a New York guy who talks a certain way but he also talks a certain way because he’s seen it all in this league He’s seen it all He’s seen he’s been in situations like this King or Kings organization is in right now I’ve seen bad situations as far as roster construction and contract I’ve seen that before And even if I didn’t handle it perfectly the first time talking about Scott Perry looking back on it I know how I probably would have handled it That’s why I’m so comfortable in this situation Oh the Knicks weren’t rosy when he got over there you know what I mean They they were a mess of a franchise with a mess of an owner in a lot of people’s opinion and he handled it did fine and like I said at the very least was able to look back and say “hm maybe I would have done this this way or something like that.” So I’ve got confidence in him More importantly he’s got confidence in himself that he can work through this guy It’s going to be a fascinating one to watch Yeah From Atlanta’s perspective though this is something I was talking about with the insiders a few minutes ago What Why if you’re Atlanta would you do this And and and I don’t mean a deal with Sacramento I mean why would you be willing to move off of Trey Young One thing that I read I’d like to hear more about some of this stuff but one of the things I read is new GM either been instructed or been empowered by ownership to to go to go with the youth movement to go tank Another aspect is if I’m Atlanta I’m got Trey Young under contract right now I’m looking at having to pay him even more And whoever’s fault it is it hasn’t yielded much results in this six seven years in the league Like it hasn’t like what are what are we doing at this point We’re going to sign him to another four-year extension $225 million to at best be a six seed All of you Yeah all of your guys on that roster too that I guess you’re kind of counting on to develop They’re all like on their first contracts and stuff like that still It’s just it’s a younger team that you can still add to assetwise I’m not sure still fits It it just feels like it’s it’s time to move on or maybe even do something different with the Atlanta Hawks And a lot of that is you may want to recoup if if that’s the direction you want to go this is an opportunity to recoup some of the the draft capital because it’s all bad right now I think they don’t I know they don’t have it this year I don’t think they have next year’s pick either So they’re in a bad way draft capital-wise and you can recoup some of that um with the trade here of Trey Young I I’m a fan of Trey Young So if I was at Atlanta’s front office I’d probably be willing to give it one more shot and I’d do my job to add better players around them But some of the things that I saw this morning is you know I don’t feel like that roster is bad I don’t think it’s bad either but it’s not I don’t think that’s a roster It’s just kind of meddling right Like it you’re anywhere between a six and eight seat with that roster that they have talent for sure It’s kind of like the Kings right Like it’s exactly like the Kings They have talent but I don’t know how well it works together But that’s in and in and the the point I was attempting to make with the insiders is I don’t feel like you have to Now we could talk about like longterm perspectives and that’s pro that’s that’s an entirely different 4-hour show but I feel like I feel like you can with some you know they got a new front office in place also Mhm with a few savvy moves with with a with a with a few trades that maybe few acquisitions maybe that even out your roster a little bit I feel like I I feel like every conversation we have with Sacramento we could just say team and you could cut this and air it in Atlanta and it works I don’t think they have us a bonus type on there That’s not Trey as good Well I mean like you’re gonna if you’re bringing Trey here I’m assuming you’re putting him with Sabonis right Right Yeah Like I don’t think you have someone to put with Trey there like with like that’s as good like Dyson Daniels maybe can develop into that He’s going to his third They don’t have someone now Yeah Someone now on that roster to put like with him right now Yeah So So this year Atlanta has the 13th pick That’s the Kings pick and they got the 22 pick um which is the Lakers pick Then following three years they don’t have any control over their picks over their first round pick excuse me Okay They don’t have control over their first round pick So when you talk about trades making trades with somebody that that plays a factor um and just developing that that roster I think those two things play off They don’t control their own pick till 2029 So maybe they feel like the path where did their picks go I can’t even begin to read this one It’s like this thing more favorable less favorable of Atlanta and San Antonio Cleveland So is this the Deontay Murray stuff I think some of it is Yeah Yeah Like Desante Murray’s been on Atlanta for six years He’s not even on Atlanta no more right Oh he’s Kevin Herder Oh man Kind of He might be Damn Hey so so find me a find the hole in the Hawks Kings analogy Goodness gracious damn thing Um but you know you want to pick a direction right When you get these new front offices in there and it feels like the Kings maybe with a nudge from from Uncle V Uh said “No we’re not tanking.” All right Well that’s the direction We’re not tanking I’m going to try and get people in here Atlanta new front office in here or even even to get that job What’s your plan What do you think we should do here in Atlanta He might have said I think we need to move on from Trey look to build assets and rebuild because we may have maxed out what we can do with Trey Young And if that was his pitch the owner wants him in here now All right let’s execute that plan And that may be their reasoning for when to move on from Trey Like I said I’m I’m a Trey believer so I would still kind of I’d probably still take a chance with him But I understand I understand feeling the need to move on from him as well I do get it It’s been six seven years You’re kind of stuck in the same space If you’re not gonna like go all in and go try and get a KD or or one of those type of guys if that’s not what you’re trying to do then yeah you should move on from them You always get a third team involved too Mhm Mhm Because everyone is of the assumption the Mar Rozan is gone Well how can we get Miami involved in this How can we get one of the LA teams involved in this Can we get one of the LA teams involved in this Can we get Miami involved in this Is that a just a completely separate deal Um I don’t know I’m looking at the because I assume Demar to Atlanta doesn’t make any sense whatsoever No that doesn’t benefit Yeah them You you kind of redirect him somewhere I’m looking at the Hawks roster right now I Yeah Trey Trey Young This is really Let’s not waste everybody’s time Okay What’s the So tell me the fault in the roster Again admittedly admittedly this is a team I hate but in the like again I mean I don’t know Look at the roster It take two guys you don’t like Is there no one that you can realistically turn them into to where it’s like no Atlanta’s Atlanta’s a little better here So looking at the roster for whatever reason they don’t have Jaylen Johnson on here Um that’s one maybe their best asset outside of Trey Young But they got the start as the starters Trey Young Dyson Daniels Risha say Muhamad Gay and Okongu Mhm That’s your starters Terrence man Caris Levert George Niang Dominic Barlo coming off the bench I mean why And once and you talk about trading for one of these guys I don’t think anybody outside of Jaylen Johnson maybe which why I don’t know why you’d want to give him up You want to keep him and bring somebody in there to help Trey Young if you wanted to build around that So I don’t see anybody on this roster that’s going to get you a KD Carl Anthony Towns um you know any of these guys that we’re talking about and you don’t have the picks to move So if it kind of feels like it just kind of move on and and and you’re faced with giving Trey Young a contract extension Mhm Yeah You’re just trying to move on See what you can get from him right now All right I didn’t know it was that desolate Desolate They’re not bad players but it’s not the combination of The balance of the roster is bad The balance of the roster but the combination of where these players are in their career and being looking at giving Trey Young 250 million they don’t that balance don’t work for me Like Jaylen Johnson Risha Shay Dyson Daniels they’re not ready to go to the playoffs and and win a couple rounds But you’re going to pay a trade Dyson might be Tyson as as a third or fourth guy Maybe Well sure Not as a two He close to a two on this roster Wow That’s okay He close to a two on this roster I like some of their players but I don’t think it matches with giving Trey Young $250 million All right we’ll come back Uh we’ll talk more about this I think TC’s waiting for us TC hang on one second We’ll get to you 9169-1320 Uh if you want to talk Kings basketball here uh is we’re just a day between NBA Finals games Trista Craig at the top of the two o’clock hour deal and KC brought to you by Sky River Casino where we will be uh for a live show one week from Friday We’ll give you all those details when we return here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 Hey Yeah Hey shout out to our girl Vanessa If I go wide screen real quick Yeah you can see her working right over Kenny’s shoulder She came in at like a part-time promotions person and she just got promoted I don’t even know what her job title is but I know it’s an important one cuz she works right outside the boss in the other boss’s office Uh so shout out to our girl Vanessa She worked at uh KSFM a long time ago and came back cuz she love the game And now she’s got now she’s got one of the big boy positions Yeah Young Zel knows what’s up Young knows what’s up Yeah man Love seeing people do that All right 916909320 We got TC right Uh Elgrove Kia talk line TC what’s happening baby Yes sir What’s up with my two brothers What’s up TC You underwater Hey no hold on Hey for that No didn’t catch any of that TC Oh just just put just put your phone to ear man We got to we got to dump the Bluetooth when you call your boys He hung up Oh okay Well sorry to bother you TC That’s our bad What happened last week He was just watching the Ace game Yeah it’s like he It’s like he had the phone on his chest like he was talking to his homie Like he was doing the good night challenge or something TC Man Hey let’s try it again What’s up with my two brothers There we go What’s up TC Hey I’m so fired up about this these Trey rumors right My phone start cutting out That’s all right Hey I’m so fired up DLO So look Hey what Hey what I got going on Hey I like that Trey Young Hey hey did we were we talking about Zack going to Atlanta or are we talking about Doas going to Atlanta Well we haven’t heard anything you know official about who be going but some of the James Ham was talking about Zack Lavine could possibly be involved Um we’ve seen you know trade machine trades with Domas and then we’ve seen trade machine trades with Demar and and and uh Devin Carter and stuff like that So neither Lavine or Sabonis being involved You know what bro Hey that’s what I was thinking So when I jumped into the trade machine I did it I said man I said you know what do straight up for uh Trey Young and two first cuz they already got our first this year So DLO I say I give him a 27 first and a 2031 first one of them first round picks and I believe that’s more than enough for Trey Young and you and Sabonis is involved in that too huh If Doas and basically to be doas and two first round picks bro for Trey I think that’s more than enough big dog Well I’ll tell you like this If you can find a way to acquire Trey Young without trading Damonte Sabonis that would be the best case scenario Like that would be fantastic I know you know people got riled up last week because I’m saying Trey Domas Really it was because I couldn’t see getting a player his caliber or better without moving on from him If there’s a a way to get somebody in this case I think better than him and he can stay on the team that would be ideal I don’t want Domas to leave I’m just We just need better players around here So if you can get better players around here and keep Domas that would be my first first option Same Yeah 100% 9169-1320 Uh if you want to get in the Kings need to do something so VC can tweet without Oh man So he can tweet without uh severe ramifications Hey man people aren’t happy Don’t act like everything’s all fine I guess you saw this yesterday Yeah I saw it Come on man So for those who who aren’t aware yesterday I think yesterday or maybe Sunday I’m assuming Sunday was the French Open final And forgive me I don’t know who won but I just saw passing by that it was just like this classic match or whatever So VC tweets out a picture of the winner It was just like never give up Never never ever give up Never give up Keep pushing Something like real motivational I was motivated Something real motivational And I saw the tweet when it was up because I saw VC’s picture and I was like I ain’t seen that in a while Oh okay And then later in the day I heard he had taken it down cuz he just got just backhanded virtually on Twitter from Kings fans and A’s fans Mhm teaming up to just jump VC Just jump him like he’s Na Albbright Google that guys Um Twitter look I like Twitter I know you say it’s accessessful and I don’t disagree with you but Twitter’s fine with me I enjoy it It’s entertaining Sometimes people be doing too much And I think I think this is one of the cases where people just doing too much the whole dynamics of Twitter where this is he got roughed up so bad he had to take the tweet down that is crazy and all he was saying don’t give up don’t ever give up one guy gets a a a tournament in a whole weekend named after him but gets destroyed I’m not saying I get it but it’s like low key like nobody wants to hear that bro we’ve only been in the playoffs once in the last however many years since you’ve been here Like nobody wants to hear that positive stuff from you right now I mean all right I mean nobody nobody like nobody wants to hear You just traded for Zack Lavine bro We’re all pissed off Not me But I mean that sounded like a shot Yeah Yeah I’m just saying I see it I see it I see it Um I don’t know man that the so the dynamics of Twitter are just man had to take down a tweet that said don’t ever give up cuz the response was too harsh man the the the dynamics of Twitter this is something and I look tweet how you want to tweet I I’m not I’m not here to tell nobody what to do I always say that I’m not I’m not the police of Twitter and fandom I’m not but your tweet don’t matter It doesn’t matter Mhm Like you getting on there with your with your Easter egg or your avatar of Marlo from The Wire is not that don’t that’s not moving mountains It’s not changing anything So you can vec how about you give up on owning the team All right man Like Who gives Who cares Who gives a damn that you tweeted that out Who cares Really man Who gives a damn Look can I tell you the funnier part Like do we think VC was like looking at his notifications No that’s the thing Insert definitely deleted this tweet I feel I don’t like Does VC run his own Twitter I would think so I assume so He doesn’t tweet very much Well that’s the thing Like so we just oh let me and if he has somebody running his Twitter account they need to be fired That’s what I thought of when I was working They don’t Yeah They’re not doing anything They’re stealing money at this point from Uncle V and Corp It’s just I just that’s something about I just can’t get over the thought that he’s sitting here Oh no Oh no All right It’s like if Steven Ross tweets him out like shut up man Like but like as an owner like I get as a fan like nobody wants to hear that from you right now Yeah but it all right It’s just it’s still Twitter It is like I wouldn’t go tweet at Stephen Ross but like I said I get it Like you want because you how often do these people get to talk to these billionaires right Well you don’t have to wonder anymore Like people people like just want to voice their opinion I guess too Not often but I also realize I’m not talking to him then either I know but that’s the only way I guess the only avenue where you can really say something if you want Even though like you said you’re probably not talking to a ve I don’t know And and then and then like for me personally like the thought of like uh like maybe it gets it gets it gets too in the weeds but like society being the way it is where are you really just going to jump this guy because your basketball team isn’t good I mean like like really like the guy ain’t guy ain’t hurting nobody Well these are just tweets too by the way Like nobody actually got jumped All they got to do was delete a tweet Like these are just tweets That’s true That’s fair But’s not hurt But no let’s be clear VC got his ass beat Well whatever Yeah he got his ass whipped Who amongst us is not That’s crazy Yeah it’s crazy Like VC’s okay He’s safe Yeah he’s got his ass whooped on Twitter But but psychologically emotionally like seeing all that hate from you Sure For you like that No that that can’t feel good Sure And like people people talking to you I’m sure people were cursing at them calling them names all this other stuff You doing that cuz your basketball team isn’t isn’t in the playoffs I mean they threaten players for missing kicks and free throws and it’s like people love their sports teams and have a connection to them and to an unhealthy level Yeah Yeah Like not right or wrong but yeah If a VC was really like this this evil dude out here I probably still wouldn’t tweet at him But like I get it If he just can’t get a basketball team right as far as like on the court that if that’s the worst thing he does in life that’s doing pretty good You know what I’m saying What does that do for Kings fans Like what do they do with that Kings fans should Jesse is not here for your garbage I’m just saying like I see it like I would like I said I wouldn’t tweet him back but I see it though Let me ask you this Yeah Kings Kings uh are a good basketball team What does that do for you They’re going to love him No What does that do for you Makes you happy I guess I don’t know It’s Twitter Like if you relying on the Kings being good to be happy you got to re-evaluate some things If you rely if you relying on a sports team being good to make you happy you need to re-evaluate some things because it don’t put no money in your pocket You don’t get any um uh extra unless you’re you know going to you don’t get no money in your pocket from it It doesn’t enhance the life of your family It’s no different than We’ve all done it It’s just this time it was to an owner It’s no different than the nickname you gave Richard Sherman or whatever and stuff like that Yeah And now that we’ve all we’ve all like now like now that we’re talking about it like like this is just it’s Twitter I was out of pocket But it’s also not that serious either But I was out of pocket I was out of pocket I guess I don’t I don’t I don’t hate it I don’t see it as being that serious Like people got like it’s just if walking down the street he’s not getting jumped by Kings fans If people want to voice their displeasure like that’s fine I’ll only I’ll only push back a little bit because we talking about like physically like yeah he didn’t get jumped like that’s not if if he does read that’s not okay to be going out here calling somebody out of their name or you know like Dick Sherman no well that that was just that was that’s what they call Richard for sure who here has tweeted at athletes or celebrities Jesse have you I don’t think I have I don’t think I have either I have Yeah No we know I have Yeah Now this was also 10 12 years ago I’m I’m I’m not more mature To be clear you were an adult 10 or 12 years ago right Well there’s a lot of adults that we crazy That’s what I’m Exactly Yeah I mean I’ll even But I’ll even say like that was wrong What if What if Kuro in the chat says Casey clearly ain’t never been a season ticket holder As soon as that’s what ST stands for What if you’re giving your money away to this man or whatever That’s your No you’re not See because you’re a seasoned ticket holder does not give you the right to do whatever you want to do or say whatever you want to say I’ll say this too I’ll say this too I don’t think you should like you should be like personal with VC and like you said just all these personal things but if you want like yeah you’re bad for my basketball team and just kind of talk about that stuff I get that being a season season ticket holder that’s your choice to spend your money a certain way But ve ain’t nobody else making you spend that money to do that And when you decide to go do that that does not say I’m a season ticket holder so I get to do whatever I want say whatever I want to say to whoever I want to say it Hell no And I respect and and salute all the season I want to be a season ticket holder at some point in my life Like it’s dope But I also have the common sense and I got like I understand what’s going on just that’s a choice that I made to spend my money the way that I want to spend it which is to go watch basketball If you are a season ticket holder um saying I I want because I’m a season ticket holder if the Kings don’t make the playoffs this is this is a terrible investment I think you’re looking at it the wrong way because you can’t guarantee that But what you can guarantee is I get to go see the Kings I get to go see LeBron or I get to like So what about the people who bought season tickets to see Deion Fox There’s a risk involved There’s you have you have to understand that That’s how I that’s how I believe Okay If I they could buy season ticket uh season tickets to see Damonte Sabonis there is no guarantee You have to understand there’s no guarantee he going to be on this team in a year Mhm And that’s the decision and the question you have to ask yourself when you make that purchase If this person is gone can I accept that So how about this What about for the people who have been season ticket holders We’ll say for for fun we’ll say seven years Mhm And about three years ago two those season ticket prices went up up up Then last year they went up up again You think they’re going down this year Probably not I’m sure they’re not So there’s the You had something if you’re Sacramento the Kings the organization to hang your hat on and say “Hey man we’re building something.” Everybody in the league thought this team was building something It was undeniable We can go back and watch every cynical podcast TV show after that seven game series with the Warriors Everybody thought that the Sacramento Kings were moving in a direction a positive direction And that’s what they sold And you can call it a one-off you can do whatever They sold it twice Now you’re going into this year where De’Arren’s gone Doug is your head coach Mike’s gone All of the things that you sold a couple of years ago they’re gone and they’re probably being asked for more money That fair Sure That’s the demand of it I mean that’s that’s what it is Here’s here’s how I would buy season tickets is I don’t know how much it is Let’s say $10,000 and the Kings are good $10,000 for the season tickets I’d sit there and I would ask myself if the Kings are bad next year will I be okay with spending this $10,000 I’m going to give I believe in those situations you have to ask yourself the worst case scenario because if you just sit up there and say I’m going to pay $10,000 cuz they might be good or you know they had a good season last year Now you’re not prepared for what could go wrong Somebody could get hurt Somebody could get traded All this other stuff If you can look at the worst case scenario and say I’m I’m okay with paying this that’s the way it should be My opinion I won’t fight the season ticket holder thing right there or whatever But if and I didn’t see all the tweets or anything like that but if was just catching trash talk and it wasn’t like disagreed like “Oh my gosh this is horrible We should not be saying this this bad.” No he wasn’t You know he wasn’t Well I didn’t see like I said like if it’s like that that stuff shouldn’t go But if it’s just like if catching trash talk like that’s no different than how we talk about Monty McNair to me and stuff like that like there’s always the extremes but if getting bombarded with a bunch of trash talk tweets or whatever like no different than the GM that just got fired or whoever insert players like to me it’s fair game’s no different than anyone else I feel like I said the egregious stuff versus like I said I didn’t see all the tweets or whatever but if you’re being extremely disrespectful and being super personal about it like yeah that’s different but if you’re just trash talking how we do about just sell the team bro Like yeah like that’s fine That’s fine I don’t think he would have took it down with sell the team That’s just my opinion I felt like he got ratio Any way to like find what people were saying to him I think he got I think he got ratioed and that’s just where you sent out a tweet but people were just But like they don’t care what you’re talking about They just What did he think People were going to go Yeah but back Yeah Well that was his other problem Like if you if you put that up in my opinion you put it up and you just you can move on about your day cuz you felt like you wanted to put that up You don’t worry about what people are going to say to you because if you have any semblance of reality and what’s going on around you it’s probably not going to be good Like if you have like if you have an idea of the situation that you’re in right now ain’t nobody going to be hyping you up So if you want to put it up cool Put it up But you should know once again this is try how I try to live my life Once again thinking about the worst case scenario they’ll probably light me up If they’ll if they light me up in these comments am I going to be okay with still having this post up If they’re hitting them with sell the team and like you’re a bad owner and blah blah blah like I’m sorry you just got to deal with that That’s not that’s no issue sell the team all that other stuff That’s I I just love the idea that VC thought everyone was going to retweet him and rally behind him and like it and like I think he got ratio like he got ratioed on Twitter this is too much heat need to delete this and look this is this is this is just like this is my um this is just my like pet peeve so in the chat in my Chris Coach Christie era when you’re a bad boss people aren’t going to praise you if you’re bad at your job You should be prepared for your criticisms you receive Sir you don’t even have a name or a picture How you going to tell somebody how to stand up and be accountable for stuff and you don’t have a name or a real picture You hiding behind something So I’m the type of person where I can’t even take you seriously You telling you trying to give advice and tell things tell people the the how things are and you can’t even stand up and be accountable with your own name and your own picture yet you want to run your mouth So that’s and that’s what Twitter is right That’s what Twitter is a lot of the times And I look sometime he didn’t he didn’t have to say it He didn’t have to say it the way he said it It didn’t have to go down that way But LeBron he was he wasn’t wrong He wasn’t wrong after that uh finals loss No No He wasn’t wrong He said he was gonna most people were going to go back to their What did he say Miserable miserable lives Yeah he wasn’t wrong Uh Kings Muse hitting me too VC had over a hundred replies mixed of Kings and A’s fans uh calling him out asking him to sell and some were using some uh inappropriate terms as well Thanks to Kings Muse for that Speaking of Twitter speaking of our man King’s Muse or woman actually person the the the person uh King’s Muse uh he clipped a video of us talking about young he said he said I don’t know person I’m not sure he clipped the they our friend Kingsmuse Yeah they uh clipped the video Well I’m looking at Is that Demar De Rozan in the I think that’s I think that’s Demar Yeah Demar Y um they clipped a video of our show talking about Trey Young and section_101 who appears to be a big big Kings fan Okay this is this is Twitter This is not the point guard you’re looking for All right Thanks pal So that solves that No I ju just it’s it’s section 101’s opinion This is not So the league leader in assists last year who scores 24 points per game is not the point guard you’re looking for Okay who is if you’re if you’re if you’re out on this Trey Young idea and remember many of you have been licking your wounds over the Pascal Seakum deal and that the Kings almost had him It should have been the Kings Okay He’s not the guy That’s fine Who is If you say it’s Drew Holiday you better take a lap too Who’s the point guard who changes the future for the Sacramento Kings It ain’t LaMelo Ball according to some It’s not Drew Holiday Maybe it’s Darius Garland for some people Okay I like Darius Garland I guess for section 101 it’s not stats say he’s not as good of a passer or a scorer as Trey Young but I I I can I can assume we’re going to hang our hat on defense So what we want is a defensiveminded point guard who passes the ball Got it There’s probably one in the whole effing league and it’s the guy Jesse just said That’s it I Let me tell you I challenge you to name one other Is Alex Caruso a point guard Not It depends what day it is but you’re not getting Alex Caruso No Alice Caruso you’re just putting out there to guard somebody and he’s gonna do it at the most elite level imaginable right What position is he though Oh I don’t know Okay So tell us tell me who’s the point guard you want then Who’s the guy DMs are open Uh King Kings Muse is one of the bros he said So sh King Muse is in fact the Heat I don’t know One of the bros I Hey I don’t know I I hate the whole defense defense defense argument Like what Like so this is what we’re going to hang our hat on is defense Like let’s run out of starting five of Drew Holidayiday Zack Levy and Keegan Murray insert starting four and Deon Sabonis You’re not making the play Like you’re not I’m sorry I agree Like the league is moving towards offense Look what Rick Carlile and the Pacers are doing You got to be able to first and then not saying you forget defense or whatever but you bring in a Trey Young and everyone else needs to be better You need to work around your star players flaws I agree Holiday or none of that stuff That’s just that’s a horrible idea Make no mistake about it He’s your star Yes Tyresese Hallebert ain’t no uh lock down defender but Indiana got the right pieces around him to We don’t want Tyrese back Tyrese isn’t very good Oh no Because you don’t play defense He doesn’t play defense enough That’s right Oh man Drew Holiday or Bust Is that a real comment Uh no It will be Give it Give it some time It will be Yes In in in time I’m sure it will be Game is weird man It is man It is Like I said how we started this whole thing off like Rebecca is a big boy He’s fine or whatever I just think people I I find it I find it really I’m not going to say that because I don’t want to I don’t want to talk bad about nobody but I don’t understand tweeting at somebody your frustrations I don’t get it What about when you’re mixing a drink following a Kings or 49ers win Now that’s a good one Uh that is when you tweet people right there I’m very uncomfortable with this but somebody named Ugly Mike wants to talk I Hey all I do is I tell That’s what he wanted to be called He made me laugh Ugly Mike I’m Mike I You put it on the teleprompter I’mma read it Yeah that’s what he wanted to be called I’m going respect him All right man All right Ugly Mike Hello Ugly Mike What’s going on Hey Uh I wanted to say uh so being a fan of a sports team it’s an obsession Sure it’s an obsession but it’s an obsession because it affects our egos I grew up a Raiders fan I’m still a Raiders fan My friends are all 49ers fans They have bragging rights They’ve had bragging rights It sucks You’re literally a fan of a team because it is bragging rights If your team wins if you’re sucked into a team that is terrible like I have been with the Raiders and unfortunately the Kings now you have anti-breaking rights which means everybody can talk smack and you can’t say anything about it So when your team does bad you want to relieve all of that anger and frustration So you do and you tweet at people You tweet at the owners You tweet at the GMs and the head coaches and the players That said I wanted to ask you another question really quick What do you think about Ron Killings versus uh Our Truth as far as fandom goes And I’ll take your call off the air Thank you guys I appreciate that I’m not This sounded like a delightful job Well good looking guy Yeah probably He said he wanted to be called Ugly Mike I’m going to call him Ugly Mike That’s good-look Mike right there That’s who it is Appreciate you M Um we’ll address the the Ron Killings I I that promo last night Did you see it I saw I saw some of it I didn’t see the whole thing I didn’t see the whole thing I messed up It was uh I don’t know that it it the the the the crowd reacted I don’t know Like Ron I think had braids Mhm There’s a difference between braids and dreads but man that was that was powerful Um I I saw the very end We’ll talk about that I love what uh I love I love what Mike said too about ego uh being involved in all of this We’ll we’ll we’ll continue this discussion Uh Trista Craig in in just about 15 minutes here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 Ugly Mike I get that point about frustrations though CBS Sports Oh yeah two was like the only quarterback the last three seasons to have however many games with 100 passer rating I quoted that Where is his playoff wins Damn Damn friendly fire Be home people Christian he says KC will never need season tickets because he always finds his way to the sidelines Facts Not true Telling not true Hall of Famers to f off Here’s the other thing about this Christian and everybody else I got a family I would like to go to games with my mom go to games with my son go to games with my daughter I can’t do that on a media pass Well if we’re keeping in a stack your mom probably gets better tickets than you She probably does That’s facts That’s facts Like I didn’t even ask But would your mom fly to Abu Dhabi When does I Where’s your mom go now She went to LA Oh Not quite Abu Dhabi There you go Casey goes to games for free His perspective is different Yeah Casey you’re not one of the people Well no it’s not Casey’s not one of the people Not at all man Damn shame I’mma grab my juice since we’re going to talk And here here’s the other thing that I’ll say If you And this is what I This is what I always say about all this stuff Stephen Will in my Christie whatever name that is Pray for Mojo If you feel like it’s fine to curse somebody out or talk crazy to somebody on Twitter by all means do what you do I’m not here to tell you what to do I can’t tell you what to do If you think that’s okay that’s go have at it I just don’t think it’s cool That’s just my opinion But if you’re fine with it if you’re fine with it why are you so worried about what I got to say about it I’m not worried about what you got to say like as far as like it affecting what I do No if you’re if you’re happy with that if you want to go tell somebody to f off or sell the team and you’re happy it’s all that should really matter Shouldn’t matter what old KC got to say I mean Ash some people would Most people won’t but some people would They’ll be like “I dare you to hit me.” Some people will absolutely [ __ ] around and find out Yeah They’ll be like “I dare you to hit me so I could sue.” Like they’ll they’ll be on that type of time So Uh Tristick’s going to join us coming up here in just a few minutes Um all right Couple of things before TK joins us I thought our Truth Ronkin’s promo was really good last night He he did kind of declare our truth is dead He he tried to make it clear we’re we’re shifting towards a more serious uh type of character maybe a little maybe a little less comedy The crowd was very very responsive to it Uh I thought it was a great promo and then he stood on the the the table and cut his hair like and that’s a powerful image Again it’s that you know the significance of cutting your dreadlocks is massive I I I don’t think he had dreadlocks I think he had braids but I I’ve I’ve always thought uh Truth had had braids rather than dreadlocks It doesn’t make it less powerful but the there is a there is a a very serious significance about cutting dreads not letting them hit the floor Like there’s there’s a lot to it And whether the crowd fully understood that moment I’m not sure but a lot of them did And the producers did a terrific job of one making sure that crowd was miked to get the the audible reaction and scanning the crowd and finding people who were literally dumbfounded They responded to him in a in a in a super positive way And I’m very very anxious to see what they do with him next This has me interested It’s going to hold my interest for a short period if they do it wrong But this this to me I don’t want to This isn’t big th this isn’t more interesting than the scene of turn That’s not true at all I was really interested in the scene of turn I soued on it quickly cuz I thought he missed the first promo I know we’re kind of on an island with that thought Um I actually don’t really love a couple of the promos he’s done but I feel like maybe I I’ve seen you know clips of some of the work that he’s done lately which I think is pretty solid Um but at you know 50 51 52 whatever it is I’m anxious to see uh what they do with our Truth Ron Killings next Yeah it is really really interesting It was a good promo Like he his his delivery was good Uh he did the part about acknowledging he’s back because of the way they responded and then saying it’s going to be different this time though Yeah I saw I caught that part where where he cut his hair and and I guess it was the end of the promo Um and I was like “Wow damn.” Yeah that’s my first I was like man that’s I hope it was his decision I’m sure it was his decision like cuz that’s a that is a lot for an angle But I thought about what you said yesterday you know reading some things about how uh Truth said you know I don’t reportedly said I don’t have a lot of time left in this game I want to do some some serious work you know before I get out of here And that’s a hell of a start That’s a hell of a start The way he he delivered that yesterday I want to go back and watch it But that was it’s about 5 minutes It’s not super long It’s really good You know what I did Oh after you guys know the R2 stuff You know what I did see Finally took the belt off Jay I saw that Wait they did Yeah Yeah Who has the belt Gunther’s back I told you guys Wait Gunther’s got the belt now Yeah Gunther beat him Put him there Put him to sleep Really So Gunther just walked back into a title match and beat Jay Yeah I don’t know what the plan is but Yeah Wait so Gunther’s back Yes No So I’m confused Jay’s not the champion anymore No Lost that yesterday Sleep or hold Really Yeah Put him to sleep Didn’t tap out N one day reign And you guys called me a hater but Oh you are Look who was right I was right What do you mean What do you mean right This is the same This is the same fired roof He threw his hands These guys don’t know what the hell I said that was a bad idea as well And look it they rectified that That what the there’s no rect there’s no rectifying this because it’s the right move Gunther is not the right move Oh wow He just threw his hands up in the air again Wow Oh he said ye Even though that was something that people were saying 10 years ago Wow Wow Gunther I know you like Gunther Gunther’s Oh G Gunther No Oh wait a minute Wait a minute Wait No Gunther No I understand I’m not saying Gunther Gunther’s solid Gunther solid Solid Solid He’s solid better than Jay No he’s not better than LA Knight’s been over for two years And how do we feel about that Still hasn’t won a Money in the Bank I saw that stat and that was the right movement on Seth too He’s been uh 0 for four I think Shout out Seth Yeah [Laughter] Okay Well even more than that like even the the Ye thing that don’t even really That would Well I’ll die on that hill That was the story to tell That was the story to tell The the bloodline story I’m not going to be disrespectful I do I do enjoy watching Jay’s matches I mean who doesn’t love super kicks 15 times Well you know I don’t I enjoy watching the matches I don’t enjoy watching anybody’s matches though Just saying The super kick used to mean something people Fast forward I have one more question I didn’t think it would get this far but clearly we’re here Talking wrestling or kings Nope I need Maybe it’s wrestling I’m not sure I have no clue what you’re talking about right now Can someone explain to me what the Doug Christie Chris Weber Leave that Yeah we’ll leave that alone Leave that alone That is rumors Chris Weber released a video Well people I saw Chris I saw Chris released a video Yeah I think I think people were playing his name I think people were asking yesterday and I’m like I’m not I don’t know I I don’t Do you need to text No People were messing with Chris’s name I I’m not going to talk about In what regard I’ll text I’m not going to talk about Oh I think I got an idea then Oh it’s a Yeah I’ll text I got an I come on now Okay Well I’ll be brave enough to say it on the air if it’s No no If it’s what I’m thinking you don’t need to say it on the air If it’s what I’m thinking So what did Chris’s video say then Just basically stop playing with my name or you’re going to get sued Oh if you got content I’m talking about it take it down I’m texting right now Hold on Wait Wait What Okay I just Yeah If it If it’s what I Yeah Yeah See that Yeah Yeah See this is why I don’t look this stuff up No Yeah Yeah This is why I was like “Whatever whatever rumors are it don’t matter.” But then I see Chris like like “Wait so Chris like this has gotten far enough to Chris had to respond I don’t even Do we even know where that even started?” No clue I was trying to figure it out It’s I saw tweets from about it from like four days ago but yeah seems like it’s Twitter that part of it or whatever I guess That’s crazy They somebody Yeah Somebody text me like “Yo is this true?” And then I like just kind of went on King’s Twitter see like I didn’t see it I didn’t see what what they were cuz they didn’t tell me They were like “Yo what’s this about Doug and Chris?” I said “I don’t even see that bro.” But I didn’t even I didn’t follow up to ask like what what he was talking about I think we throw it in a box So no no no I’m trying to figure out the origins of this My guess I think No no What I think happened I don’t have the volume up obviously I think somehow I think someone manipulated Oh man Okay Jacob Z says one of those AI YouTube videos I think someone manipulated their reality show videos I was just about to say I would assume it’s on the basketball wives world Yeah Like I’m looking at it right now because that sounds like something and this isn’t this is as someone who has become familiar with Smut TV recently Oh man this is not this is this is clearly a fan manipulated edit It’s been viewed 40,000 times That’s crazy Come on guys Come on now All right Well yeah I was I I I just heard on the side about what was going on So well I again it was nothing until uh Sean I you know cuz Sean Sean Cunningham don’t he don’t play So Sean a whole lot of noise that should be quieted with this right here And it’s a video of Chris It’s like what is going on And obviously I can’t hear it Um yeah All right And the first reply I have no idea what he’s referring to but I hope things work out for Chris Yeah Chris as far as we know Chris was minding his business Absolutely minding his business That’s crazy game is weird man That’s crazy He had to make a video about something Anyways yeah So back to Trey Young and the Kings From R Truth to Chris Rubber to back to Trey I’ll say this I’ll keep the person’s name I’ll keep the person’s name quiet Normally I don’t care for trade machine stuff In fact I hate it But they sent me one that I’m looking at like okay wait a minute What you What’s the What’s the trade It’s a three-team deal that sends Demar D Rozan to Miami Trey Young and Himeme Hakas to Sacramento Terry Roier Malik Monk Devin Carter and a 2027 pick from Sacramento that belong to San Antonio That’s the only picks we got to give up to Atlanta it Well this is trade machine stuff It worked It was deemed a success All right so let me ask everybody something I’ll ask Let’s Let’s just bring in Trista so she could be a part and then I’m sure Trista is going to get some jokes off So let’s just bring her in here What’s up TK Come on Now go ahead Go ahead We know Look go ahead It’s fine We knew We knew the second we saw each other Go ahead Trey Young No Okay I’m all for Trey Young Trey Young Trey Young and Zack Lavine Well maybe not Yeah And Trist Okay hold on Here’s the thing The best Kenny’s This is like Kenny’s allstar He’s a bucket He’s a bucket He’s a bucket team Well they only have two buckets on there That’s That’s the problem They only have two buckets Like they they don’t have a a small forward They don’t have a power forward And Dom isn’t a bucket So no they they need more help But um the the also thought process with that is Trey is the prize Zach will be here a year maybe a year and a half But if you can get Trey Young in here I’m not I’m not afraid of he’ll sell a lot of tickets boy I tell you that he’ll he’ll do the But then you got to pay him Okay Then you gotta pay Trey Young because I was just listening to something the other day about his value and how Atlanta doesn’t want to pay him max money They want to pay him on like a descending contract which again I agree with I don’t think you can pay Trey Young super max money He’s not that guy He’s just he’s a borderline all-star Borderline He can’t He’s a He’s not a great We’ll say he’s not a good defender He’s trying He’s not a good defender He gets a lot of deflections and steals but that really is masking how bad of a defender he is He throws temper tantrums You can’t have any other player in a leadership position any other vet that plays with him or he’ll get all up in his feelings All up in his feelings And I know that to be the case When Aneka Aongu said Jaylen Johnson was the best Atlanta Hawks player on the team I don’t think Trey Young passed to him for a month So it just is you’re kind of getting another like moody guard Like Foxy was moody and and and Trey Young is moody But Trey is better isn’t he Trey Young is better Yeah Than in terms of being moody No no no no A better basketball player I would rather have Darren Fox over Trey Young Okay Well that ship has sailed buddy So we’re gonna have to Well no You said is he a better basketball player I do not think Trey Young is a better basketball player than really Otherwise otherwise San Antonio would have gone after Trey Young and they could have gotten him very easily Well because San Antonio has a bunch of Atlanta’s picks that they would be happy to give back to Atlanta if they wanted Trey Young which they did not which by the way hot take I think Dear and Fox is getting traded again Well yeah I don’t think that’s I don’t think that’s a hot take at all I think you’re on to something It’s funny you say that and I want to get back to this Trey Young thing but while we’re here I was thinking about this this morning because I was listening to something and it was kind of broken down a certain way where it was like say the Spurs get KD we’ll just say KD KD going to want an extension you know you you you trade for him getting that extension Probably Wimy’s extension is coming up Fox is going to be on an extension I know it’ll be a championship contender but they’re going to be pushing second apron territory Why Why wouldn’t you This is a borderline cap reset situation Why not just trade De’Aran Fox and get Dylan Harper He he may not be better than Dear Fox today but I think his his ceiling is higher than De’Arren Fox And you reset the C You’re on on a rookie deal Yes I I I think I think I would almost say you definitely trade Dear B Yeah Dear Bucks you are a Houston Rocket Well best case Best case Worst case Dear Bucks you are son You’re a Milwaukee Bucks Phoenix Phoenix That would be good for Phoenix I don’t think they’d be like a good team with Phoenix Darren and Devin Yeah like that’s that might be a very fun Would you say that’s about the best they could get back Maybe a cat situation The best that they can get back is is Dear the I think so too That’s a good deal Well but do you think they’d feel like they have to do that Like give up De’ar like you could probably land KD You could do less Yeah you don’t need to do that much I think you could get even more from for De’ar like in a second trade That’s I feel like De’Arren is like a Giannis acquisition Correct Like what A dear Foxy that like you trade Dear Fox for like I don’t think you have to do it for Kevin Durant I don’t think you do either but the money situation is what jumped out to me Yeah If you if you have three you don’t have to give up You immediately jump It’s much cleaner Yeah and it makes the cap situation for San Antonio easier But now that they got Dylan Harper which we already know that they’re drafting and I like Dylan Harper I like Dylan Harper since high school I think I even talked about Dylan Harper on this program prior to him going to Ruckers And I said outside of Cooper Flag Dylan’s the one He brings everybody else to life He’s the only reason anybody’s talking about Ace Bailey Ace Bailey is not even as good as Brandon Miller in my opinion Um we were all kind of like wondering about how good Brand Brandon Miller would be as an NBA player which I was wrong He’s quite good but he is quite good in Charlotte So now they have Ace Bailey What do you need here in Fox 4 You have Steph Castle you have Dylan Harper They obviously didn’t know that when they made the trade And and you keep all those young guys on the same salary timetable You can make a swing for a wing like KD and then you still are pretty cheap otherwise got Vel I mean why not And the way you set it up with if you if you handle it that way the way you set it up with KD yeah you sign him to his extension but by the time those other guys are ready for their rookie match he’s gone So you still got another slot to go get uh a man Thompson or something like that Like you can you can get another guy on the max slot with the guys that you already have or are Max type players I And I know I didn’t want to I’m glad you brought it up because I wanted to preface it a certain way because it sounds like hate I’m not hating on De’Arren at all I just think that’s the move for San Antonio Like that is the move for talent-wise And the cap situation is what really stuck out to me Like that takes them to a championship level immediately Yes Wait Katie and De’aran or cuz if you trade if you trade De’arren and say he’s part of the KD deal and you’re going with Dylan Harper it might not make you championship next year cuz I mean a rookie point guard and a second year point guard I don’t know if they going to a thirdyear center I don’t know if they’re gonna take you to a chance Yeah but that third year center Oh he crazy He’s crazy That’s a little different And as Trista pointed out he cut his hair It’s over He’s in Shaolin mode If it might put you on pause mode for a year but I think it sets your cap up better and it just sets your future up better What about this though trade Sohan Kevin Johnson and someone someone else random The 14th overall pick Get the salaries to match Get yourself Kevin Durant I don’t think you’re getting if I don’t think Phoenix is getting more than one first round pick and players So that’s deal one And then you trade Darren somewhere else for more talent or picks or something to stack your coffers up You don’t need to do them in the same deal You can maximize what you have because KD is a distressed asset right now The only reason you’re getting rid of De’Aran is because of the cap situation So maybe suddenly that contract extension that he wanted doesn’t look as cute now as the rookie of the rookie of the year right And and now you’ve got Yeah Now you now you’ve got Dylan Harper coming in So maybe you send him to I don’t know Brooklyn You are a Brooklyn Net You and Cam Thomas and um and Cam Johnson Finally De’aran and Cam Thomas together with Jord We’ve always been wanting this Barklay stand up We’ve got Fox in the building Is Brooklyn in the house Where Brooklyn at Where’s You want to be close to home You want to be close to home You know what’s further away than Sacramento New York Oh that’s a little hate You are in Orlando Magic No that’s a lot of hate Yeah you are in Orlando Or or let’s just all work together Send him to Atlanta Send that three teamer Okay so let let’s let’s go back to the Trey Young Let’s go back to a little tough on Trey man I Okay let’s let’s let’s try this from a different perspective Can the Sacramento Kings acquire a better player than Trey Young Yeah I think get Lori Markin Really Yeah I think you can get Markin I think Utah is starting to finally understand what the situation they are in is You’re F I don’t think Danny ever understands that situation They have to get rid of him He’s Oh hold on The light turned off That’s okay Oh there you go And hold on While you’re adjusting the the light situation just a pendrass No no disrespect but what the hell has he ever won If we talking about winners he’s won nothing But you don’t need him You don’t need him to be your your championship pedigree guard which I think we kind of all assume that’s what a guard does We’re back There we go We’re back is like “You never left.” Like “You never left You never left.” I was in the I think you get marketing Keegan give up You’re gonna have to give up Keegan obviously But I think we’re okay with that I think we’ve all come to terms with what I already said which is that you’re gonna have to give up Keegan Well what if you don’t have to give up Keegan in a Trey Young deal I don’t I don’t want Trey Young at all So here’s this deal I’m terrified of this deal Here’s the other thing about about um like the the shortcomings that you say Trey has personalitywise and all this other stuff You know what I’m starting to realize and Tristan you would know this a lot because you you um you’re in these circles Almost all these guys are tough to deal with Yeah Like almost all of them Like Tyrese may be one of a handful where it’s like no this guy’s just perfect Steph Curry You could only have a Tyrese Hallebertton Tyrese Tyrese Steph Curry Those guys But like um no you know who you should go get is uh John Morant Like he’s an easy guy to deal with Like they’re all this way So it’s starting to become like if you if you aren’t getting the five guys in the league that aren’t difficult or don’t have an ego like yeah okay Trey Young’s got an ego That’s cool Dame Dame was a great a great leader when he got an ego too Until he wanted to run from the grind switching teams but You know we were at dinner in Las Vegas and she still found a way to get a Dame Lillard dig in No cameras no radio show It’s real Just a casual conversation amongst three friends Dame Lillard dig thrown in there Yeah It’ll never end It’ll never end Um so he was a great guard You’ve got Drew Holiday Why not go after Drew Holiday Why him older than me I don’t think that’s accurate He’s 3 what 35 34 35 I think he turns 36 You got to rebuild this thing and you don’t want to It’s painful You don’t want to Scott Perry can’t come in and tear it all down So you have to at least play the game a little Right Trey Young puts you in a position where you’re going to have to max them out And then you’re going to be the Chicago Bulls And you don’t want to be the Chicago Bulls that I win anything anytime soon You gave up Tyrese That was where you effed up Really That’s where it all went wrong Is it Was it not acquiring someone like Pascal Seakum or OG and Obi along the way Yes And we talked about that And we talked about that And I don’t know where those deals fell apart And that’s also where Portland fell apart was Pascal Seakum and OGNobi because that’s all Dame wanted was just one of them Seakum’s $200 million deal just destructing teams across the Western Conference It’s it’s Paul George disrupting like eroding and building new teams rising from the Phoenix and and Pascal Seakum’s $200 million deal and OG’s to a degree as well because I know you guys were in talks for OG We were in talks for OG and yet we watch the OG trade occur and it’s like that’s all that’s all it just pro that’s all we need to give up It had to be the same thing It had to because Seakum we’ve we believe we have learned was a money hangup and when the Sacramento Kings told Seakum’s group what they were willing to offer that was obviously significantly less than what Indiana was able to offer or was willing to offer and the full level max extension I think the think the conversation around OG was similar Um but he obviously had well pretty tight ties to New York and that deal was very much a relationship deal that was a lot closer to getting done at the time than anything involving Sacramento really was Yep Tough It’s a tough situation TK I disagree with with with Trey man I mean some of the talking points you said like I don’t disagree with but I’m willing to take an opport a chance on Trey I mean I’ve heard from like teammates of his like he’s awful to deal with I’ve heard from he’s a crybaby people once again The list the list is starting to get short of people I haven’t heard like people that you wouldn’t even think of that I’ve heard like Giannis also Giannis is on the list You’ve heard bad things about Giannis Yeah Yeah People you wouldn’t even think of I’ve been like for real this dude be acting like that I’ve heard that Giannis is much more difficult to work with than we on the outside know him to be That’s what I’ve heard I want a standup individual like the Marcus Cousins back Come on Come on That’s what I want We don’t We don’t need any of this Give me Boogie back You pop off the Boogie he just fights you Shay isn’t like that Shay isn’t like that yet Shay isn’t like that Shay’s really He seemed like a really good teammate Well Jay Dub ain’t like that Jay Dub don’t utter too much You know who you should build around to be honest frankly you should go out and get you some Andrew Nehard Not joking I love No I love him I like Andrew Andrew Nehard if he wasn’t an Indiana Pacer he has a lot of Shay in his game A lot of Shay Now he’s a backup and he plays a different role but could he be like a This isn’t the same comp in terms of basketball and how they play so don’t kill me Chatty House But is this like a is this like a James Harden situation where he’s not really seen from his current franchise as anything more than an awesome role player a two-way player who’s really stepped things up When I saw him tween tween tween tween tween tween tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tw tween step back I said “Oh my god that’s the kind.” And he’s Canadian He’s Canadian so he’s never gonna do the little stuff that our American stars do because he’s still at the end of the day from Canada Upstanding Canadian boy Canadian man excuse me And I really think he’s I really think he’s that good And he’s tall He’s taller than you think So what is he 6’4 65 He’s tough He’s gritty Like you could build a team around Andrew Demhard I this I’ve never thought about this in my life I knew you could build a team around Did you think you could build a team around Tyrese Hallebertton but you didn’t Yeah because he’s he’s a one of the he was always one of the best pure point guards we had seen in a while I would have I would have picked Darren Fox in that situation but it wasn’t a knock on Tyrese Tyrese was Tyrese was legit Like I I’ll put it to you like this I haven’t I saw Tyrese and been like that guy he can go He’s he’s a hell of a find Like you can he a franchise point guard somewhere I never felt that way about and the thing about Ty player though The thing about Tyrese that I think is his greatest attribute is that he’s he’s a partner with the front office When they were talking about hey this is what Buddy Healed wants He’s like “I love Buddy but we can’t pay him that He’s got to go See you later buddy Love you Bye.” And that’s the kind of relationship that you want with your franchise player where they help you make decisions like “Hey this is what O this is what Obie Toppin wants Man I kind of need Obie Toppin I feel like we should pay Obie Toppin I think we should keep continuity on this team as much as we can because of this is what we’re building.” I don’t think you have those discussions with a deer and Fox You don’t like he’s like “Ah whatever You guys are responsible for that not me.” You know to Dame’s credit Dame really tried to be a partner and they just didn’t listen to him They really didn’t He’s like “We need a wing to help me out I am a cone on defense and I need to be protected.” We know one time Jarren spoke up Well we know one time he spoke up and his team was like “Oh well Too bad man You don’t get the call You don’t get the call on this one Actually we know another time We know another time He spoke up Well yeah I guess he spoken up a couple times Well he popped off at Damian We know that Well he spoke up then I think he still might be if we’re being honest I think Darren is still somewhere popping off at me but whatever Whatever man What’s going on with the um let’s hold on Yeah Yeah No we could we could all do it We could all do it Let’s go ahead to the top It’s not my favorite but it’s not my favorite either but this is the only way you can see Are we just Are we just the most adorable little denim No we are No we are Are we like a little or we’re like a little denim Oreo right now Look at the lighter denim Look at the lighter denim The cream here A little Well the cream in the Oreo Yeah Oh man No we came in We obviously look ridiculous So I I buttoned mine all the way up So we So but then I went Richard Jefferson and went like down like we were in Vegas doing the show like this just so there’s some distinct difference between the two of us and we don’t look ridiculous But I’m not sure what looks more ridiculous us having matching denims or me looking like Richard Jefferson out here looking like I watch guys So we have to talk about this and I rarely talk about my industry peers because I think it’s bad form So I have a lot of opinions that I do not share But when the BET Awards announced 106 in sports last night did you guys see this I missed it I I’ve been I recorded You guys don’t know about this No no no no So Cam Newton Ashley Nicole Moss sports culture sports and culture show called 106 and sports Okay And it is universally getting crushed Ollie universally getting crushed on the internet if you Google it or search for it on threads or Twitter X anywhere it is people are like we weren’t asking for this we didn’t want this um well what what are they supposed to just never have a host because people weren’t asking for it no what they wanted was the return of 106 and park right we don’t we don’t need that we’ll do that people that were bet fans wanted was Another AJ and Free type show So now Cam Newton and Ashley Nicole Moss What a duo What a duo And I actually think they’re going to have um if you’re into these type of thing they’re going to have some moments like where they disagree and don’t pull any punches with each other We’ll see how it goes Anyway so I went back and I watched a full episode of 106 and Park from 2000 Nice And a lot of the a lot of the men in the videos were had their shirts like Damian They were j they were dancing in the rain Oh yeah Yeah Early you didn’t watch R&B You didn’t watch that uh that episode when Genuine was on the stretcher though No I didn’t watch that one They had the the ads and everything It was Miss Cleo It was Bow Flat Oh Miss Cleo baby I was back in it Miss Cleo 106 of Park was If they brought back 106 and Park that’d be cool That’d be fine 106 Yeah Put it on streaming Have athlete interview I mean athlete or artist interviews They should bring back the basement while they’re at it Actually you don’t have to do it every day One one episode a week maybe two episodes a week Put it on your YouTube or bring back Caribbean rhythms in we’re bringing stuff back Bring back Midnight Love Bring back Uncut Midnight Love That was Was that Donnie Was that Donnie Simpson Who was No that was video soul Yeah Midnight It didn’t They just played a video in uh Was it Les Big L Well Les was in on Rap City Oh God I wanted to be a part of Rap City so bad Just girl you could have Midnight Midnight Love will go off Oh Sherry Carter That’s who it was Ah that’s a good call Midnight love will go off Then the real fun started Then the real Then the real fun Then the real started Yeah Tip drill Yeah Must be your face I tried to get Trista to rap in Vegas and she wouldn’t Why not It was loud She was shy It was loud This is not shy She was shy She was She was trying not to She wouldn’t rap I feel like Katie shouldn’t have like a full human being representation of me before the rap part you know Like you guys didn’t know for a while and then you just like you slide it in because you don’t want to seem like you’re doing too much you know I like right here You’re getting a slide it in Ro Slide That’s actually upon further review That’s a flagrant that’s a flagrant one That’s a flagrant one No but I get it I get it You can’t You can’t You can’t Well you Well I mean that’s just a Huh Stephen Jesus Oh my god There’s a lot going on in the chat The chat is uh Shaq Shad can be NC17 sometimes So it is Oh man Well next time then you gonna rap then right Well we’ll see I’m gonna try to plan a little Sacramento trip Yeah Tristan’s gonna come stay out here for a while Maybe we’ll get her rapping on like day three or four Yeah Yeah exactly I can You could do the podcast from the stu the home studio You be in great shape I know That’s what I’m thinking It’ll have to be post post summer league That’s what it’ll have to be Yeah you already Yeah I was going to say you already be out here but you’re on the West Coast anyways You’re just Yep I am I am here baby I don’t even know what flight to Sacramento is Like an hour I could do a quick three days anytime Yeah probably Are you a day trip You going to do the full two weeks of summer league No I already booked I already booked my hotel six nights Oh wow That’s That’s pretty long though Six nights Well because the WME party is always Monday night So you got to go like Thursday or Yeah Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday and then back on Tuesday So I think that’s what it is The Wednesday maybe it’s Wednesday through Sunday I just want one pool day you know where like nobody’s come in yet nobody’s here Just like eat some food maybe go to a show I never do that Maybe play some golf Just like one day Oh can you tan Oh yeah [ __ ] tan I’m not like I’m not like uh ginger wakeup call I get brown I get brown Like this is you know this is me at like my lightest Okay Yeah Yeah Okay TK would appreciate this because you talk about summer league and everything We always love the basketball tournament Although the basketball tournament has gotten a little corporate in the last couple Did you see they have a soccer tournament They started a soccer tournament like the basketball tournament Yeah It’s on ESPN where with with who Same place these basketball teams came from I guess Just randomly got them together Million-dollar uh pot The Is it Is it the seven on seven women’s No it’s And they do have men’s and women’s but it’s they’re on the on the regular soccer field Interesting I saw that yesterday I said “Wow I’m waiting for That’s what football needs to do They need to come with the football tournament.” Yeah they do That would be popping If I was 20 years younger and flag football started I would be dedicating my life to it That’s what I would be doing That’s a good point Do you think we get to the point because it’s popping off in high schools Do you think we get to the point where college has women flag football Yeah I do Like yeah that’d be dope There’s a professional They won’t get any NIL money right now There’s a prof women’s professional tackle league going on right this second They get almost no publicity They had their regionals or their semi-finals here in Portland last uh weekend I couldn’t go because it was so damn hot and the OKC game was on on Saturday Um but yeah it was it’s happening They are just full pads and everything Very popular Some of the girls have three 400,000 followers on Tik Tok Yeah it’s starting to become a a big deal I don’t have anything against the tackle Um seems like he’s got something What do you got Well no I It’s not about when football I was going to ask who’s going to lose first the Lynx or the Liberty That’s what I was going to ask Why they Such a great question Why did they wait for them to play until August Why don’t we get to see them now That’s crazy That’s That’s ridiculous I didn’t know that was Minnesota’s 9 and0 New York is 8 and0 I think the Lynx lose first just because they were what They were in a dog fight with the Wings at the end of the third quarter last game without Paige They’re going to the The Liberty are so damn dominant Their point differential is 20 points That’s a a 20 point point differential That’s ridiculous Tasha Clouds put them on another level They went from Vanderloot Yeah who’s basically on the precipice of retiring I think she’s played her last WNBA game now that she accomplished that the other day and they add Tasha Cloud and I don’t know how they don’t even have everybody back yet I don’t even think Feebitch is back yet and Feebich is really good That role that Natasha Cloud play that’s perfect for her cuz you know sometimes she may think like cuz she’s super skilled like I got this like I’mma handle this But being with Stewie and being with Anesco it kind of keeps her in line a little bit Well she had to be the one in Washington Yeah She was one two in Phoenix Yeah And now she can just be a super talented role player and like swing games when you know oh we got Stewie bottled up or we got Sabrina or Jacquz bottled up Oh here comes the It’s almost like unfair level of a super team She’s a overqualified role player My question to you as you as a certified bonafide aces fan and they are really going downhill fast I didn’t like to see that They lost to the Valkyries I didn’t like I didn’t like that I didn’t think the Valkyries were going to win another game and they beat the Aces Put your visa They just won last night too against the Sparks I’m gonna I might have to I might have to do a little eating crow of these Valkyries This uh Salon she was undrafted She’s Salon’s little sister who plays in the NBA Ridiculous So good Their their whole roster is either undrafted or pushing retirement Crazy There’s no in between They have the strangest roster construction in the entire league I don’t know what to make of it And somehow they’re out there winning games They’re out there winning games Winning more than Dallas winning more than Connecticut beating the Aces But okay so take the prime peak aces that you remember whether that’s the Candace Parker version or the year before that How does this Liberty team stack up to that AC’s team It’s not even close This Liberty team’s way better I agree Before I like really started to dive into the WNBA I I don’t want to talk like I don’t know I’m not overly familiar with like the Minnesota teams and uh Leslie and Candace Sparker Sparks So I’m not over familiar This Liberty team yeah they didn’t have teams like that This feels like the best team I’ve ever seen in this league And the and the Aces the Aces the first year they won the the title that team was crazy when Jackie was there Chelsea was doing her thing Kelsey obviously and Asia I think that’s the that’s the only other team I could think of that was this That’s what I’m saying So that AC’s team I think is still significantly worse than this team because Candace was on her last leg She was injured for most of the year Chelsea was starting to decline Jackie hadn’t yet ascended Mhm I think she was just kind of she had a couple moments She was good Yeah But she was they had no Tasha They had no Tasha No Tasha No one Nothing that can compare to her who who can she’s a one at worst to two on every team in the league but she joined the Liberty Damn they traded for her And then by the way there’s the Minnesota Links again just like they were last year going blowfor-blow with what New York is doing in the stand They have also here’s a little interesting nugget that you have to keep your eye on Why the hell did the Chicago Sky trade their next year’s first round pick to the Minnesota Links for the 11th pick that turned into Haley Vanlith who we are now seeing with our own two eyes is now ready for being an WNBA player and they’re going to probably have a top three pick and now the Lynx are going to have a top three pick They might even have a the number one pick Well Juju is not she’s not available until the year following Well it’s three years removed ain’t it No you have to be 22 or a senior unless they change the CBA Um but they could get Lauren Betts if they need a center They’ve got Olivia Miles right there I think the Wings will probably do anything that they can to get Ay and Paige on the same team But the fact that Minnesota is this good and they’re going to have a top three pick in next year’s draft is disgusting Yeah Yeah That’s that’s a problem 5 points per game It’s crazy Another hot take is I Enrique and Paige It’s not happening next year It’s done She’s free agent She’s going somewhere else They will not be together Everything that we thought about one ball Yep One ball One ball One mind One It’s almost like Paige should play off ball and and should be on ball because Paige is more more used to that Mhm She’s just not gonna take the the reigns unless she has to And she’s taking the reigns even if no one asked her to 30 30 plus shots a game Paige had a concussion this year Like she just cleared protocol That doesn’t I feel like that’s not a thing we follow in basketball very often but she said uh Rakia Did she have a concussion or a game she missed Something like that Like you said that’s not not used to It’s not a Yeah it’s not a stat you follow That’s not a protocol you follow in basketball very often And then she got sick this last weekend But someone from Dallas just texted me today and said “Don’t believe that Caitlyn and Pa Paige are as banged up as they say They’re waiting They want to make sure to put these two girls in the glass case until they face each other because of ratings and the excitement Paige versus Caitlyn I don’t know if it’s true coming up The the Wings Fever game is on the 19th No 27th Oh man 13th Oh no That’s July Yeah June 27th Oh that’s because like like Kaitlyn’s nearing the point where she should be able to return isn’t she Yeah She’s ramping up back with the team Yeah I don’t I don’t think you can hold her out You can’t hold her out anymore No you cannot And they can’t win no games without her Damn near Well they won one the other day Um yeah they play the dream and and I don’t I don’t love that for them I don’t love that match up with Dream sneaky Sneaky good Yeah Dream would have been sneaky Britney Grryer Here’s a funny little u side note I put I was texting somebody about Britney Grryer today being in her Renaissance and my phone autocorrected to Britney Grinder Oh well I was like damn iPhone Don’t Don’t do it like that Geez Well you know it’s like an algorithm right Like clearly clearly uh that text is that word has made it to your your text You know underco like do you know the dream have been to the finals a whole bunch of times If I remember correctly Atlanta’s been to the finals at least at least three times And I think the stat is they’ve never won a game Really The W I need I need I I believe I believe that I believe the number is three times Yeah they went they went in 2010 2011 2013 and they lost all three each time getting swept Got swept by Seattle swept by Minnesota swept by Minnesota again That’s crazy Where was I at 20 Now that I’m looking at it they haven’t won very many playoff games Well no I I guess you got to win to get there but yeah they got they’ve been swept by Detroit man They’ve been swept a lot They haven’t had too many competitive series Swept by Dallas swept by New York Man that’s tough But yeah I’ve been to the WNBA finals three times and have not won a game yet Wow I don’t think it’ll happen The better question you know the better question might be this New York team versus those Minnesota teams Brunson Maya Lindsay um Simone That might be the real comp with this New York Liberty team even more so than the Aces It might be those I don’t remember those I remember those I watched them game in and game So those those teams were those teams were brutal They got Maya They got Maya that first year Simone had this really weird I don’t I don’t remember what the injury was but she had to go through a full like procedure that I think involved a hysterctomy Like it was something like it it it took her out She came back When she came back she obviously was a shell of herself Had the whole off season Next year Maya’s second year she was Simone Augustus again and it was over M this says that the athletic athleticism and versatility Liberty get the edge because of Stewie UNESCO Jones and cloud clutch pedigree goes to the links four championships death and scheme go to the Liberty five out offense with cloud facilitating health impact Liberty’s injuries could swing momentum where the links would have the edge But the most the Liberty are the perhaps the most complete most versatile team since the more lead links Good call Okay Maya’s got the Kobe treatment She’s got one WNBA MVP Yes Wild Four championships five all first teams God knows how many championships overseas Nothing but gold medals two-time prep player of the year She’s so good Maya Maya like like you talk special The crazy thing is Maya you could make the argument Maya’s the greatest women’s basketball player we’ve ever seen You could also make the argument that Maya is the greatest what if Yes She didn’t focus her attention on significantly bigger issues I She’s 35 years old right now She I don’t She hasn’t played a game in How old is Vanderloo Isn’t she like the same age as Vanderloot Vanderloot’s 107 Yeah she’s she’s 107 While While we’re here I got to ask TK I guess I ask you too uh Dame what’ you think about um uh our girl Sabali’s criticism of the the schedule That’s how you say her last name right Yeah I think she’s right man I like that um these WNBA players are popping off I like that she’s saying “Hey this is not responsible for you to have us on this many backtobacks.” And we saw that with the Fever last year where they had such a tough brutal beginning of the year where everyone thought that they were trash vomit and it was really just because they were facing all the best teams back to back to back and like the first month of the season was brutal all the way up until really the Olympic break So I think I think Kathy Inglebert has been taking some some body blows Really I don’t I don’t think that the players love her I think the way that she came out with the New York skyline dress made it seem like they wanted the Liberty to win That was a tough look And you also have um not to different different point but same sort of situation You also have Nisa Collier being like “It’d be a real shame if we had to hold out next year.” Yeah What do you think the answer is though to some of that Because I know they’ve got with the WNBA they’re adding more teams and they I don’t know maybe they don’t have like a certain amount of time they got to play the games but it doesn’t seem like you can extend the season like on the calendar This is going to be even more of an issue probably next year right I don’t know that they’re going to change the schedule amount of games next year but um I think you could extend it out longer I I don’t think earlier or go later Go later I think it has to go later because you’re college Yeah cuz college Um Yeah but you’re running into a problem there That’s football You’re in you’re in football longer and you’re flirting with the start of I mean you Yeah pre-season games and it’s very tough And then you then every I can’t remember what they do to every four years you have to navigate the Olympics And then I think you would change it also to maybe days where there is no NFL or college like you play on Wednesdays and that’s tough nowadays You know there’s no day you can challenge the the maction That’s what you can do Challenge maction Yeah That’ll be when Roger Goodell goes All right guys Wednesday games Just like Christmas We’re taking over Wednesdays boys Exactly I know you got to go but did you see Did you see Did you see Michael Beasley and and how how could I Man is he a bucket Man is Michael Beasley tough That was a weird IG story that followed but yeah it was lot last week think it was just weird in general with Michael Beasley It was weird but I I saw some of it um just highlights and stuff and I saw when Lance Stevenson almost got in a fight with the spectator Did you see that Yes Got into the crowd It’s tough This This is wild Who spectator right vid video was tougher Lance Stevenson or Demarcus Cousins Definitely because Yes that was and also Evan Fornier had a good spectator Oh yeah stuck one in I think I saw his on your I think I saw his on your uh feed That one did a lot of views I think it has like 35,000 likes or something on that p on that post Damn DK doing numbers And the queen of threads Yes she is trying and headed and headed to Sacramento soon to sing with Wake Up Call the show You know she’ll have you on in a second America’s Next Pop Star Trista Craig No nobody’s a better hype I if if Katie wanted to just stop being a host she could be my agent Really Like she’s almost no one believes in me more than Katie does More than my own mom That’s that I can she texted me right after the show last week and she’s like I’m I’m just like Audrey I’m watching everyone I’m listening to everyone I was gonna say your mom but you’re talking about Katie Yes Oh that’s Katie texted me right after last week’s show That’s terrific Uh hi Mama Crick By the way you know Mama Mama’s always watching What’s good Mama Craig Mama’s got a little bit of Don’t mean to break a hippo violation but she’s got a little kidney kidney infection going out So give your give your prayers and wishes and antibiotics to Mama Craig We’re going we’re going we’re going we’re going to get Mama better and we’re going to get her a microwave because we learned that Mama Creek doesn’t have a microwave So we’re going to get her She doesn’t want one Doesn’t want one Yep Never had one Never had a dishwasher No She ain’t about that life Keith Keith Sweat said those are the type of women that are going by the wayside Need to bring them back Well they don’t know how to cook no more Mama that’s all Mama Crick does is cook That is cooked She’s cooking up TK cook the internet Yep Steak and steak and vegetables tonight Oh there you go There you go All right TK We love you We appreciate you Take care TK Mr Crick uh we’ll come back Um we’ll get back to the Sacramento Kings I guess we can talk a little bit more seriously about the Demarcus Cousins video that uh hit the internet and what Zack Low had to say prior to all of this about Trey Young That’s ahead here Uh plus Jason Jones still on the way on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 I’m with I’m with Brian dishwasher I need to get the top of my dishwasher fixed Like it that the the rack falls off its track if you don’t pull it out super carefully There’s some there’s some real sick people in this building who think it’s okay to throw their dish in the dishwasher with all the food and gunk on it as well Like that’s not like ain’t the word man These [ __ ] is lazy I’m not even going to get into it Like did no one teach you guys Yeah man You [ __ ] is lazy I bet they wouldn’t do that at home either I’m scared they would uh scooter as a shoot Yeah I might Katie will not touch the top bracket of that dishwasher because that that thing just falls right out of right off his track And I know it’s not something serious I just can’t fix it Makes me feel quite inferior Good You don’t know the half of it That’s fast What’s tomorrow Wednesday J A R Huh Huh Jeremiah we haven’t watched Love Island Abby watches it It’s not some I don’t think I’ve seen She watches so much of that stuff though Sometimes I don’t know Sometimes I don’t know what’s what But I know I know I know Abby watches it Zabbo Katie isn’t a Pacers supporter She is somehow a Pacers fan It took one game She was sitting on the couch the other day like yelling at the TV You would legit think she was a lifelong Pacers fan Pacers for life I legit looked at her like “Are you going to do this the whole game?” Yeah You going to do this every game Oh he’s going to drop it Yeah I can’t believe the Kings traded him Um okay Oh that’s the first time I’ve seen that I had read a bunch of the clips that uh Tai was walking with a noticeable limp after game two That’s the first time I saw that clip they just showed I was a limp All right Didn’t talk for 10 minutes after game two That didn’t happen That girl ain’t never gone 10 minutes without talking Certainly not after that game That’s true one time Man y’all be on these reality shows What is this Temptation Island and Katrina Whatever you did to get your son to stop doing that you need to come out here and talk to the staff here Yeah Casey we were talking about how people at this building will throw their dishes in the dishwasher with all the food still on it Come on now Come on Yeah What sense does that make Dishwasher’s going to get it I guess And the dishwasher monster will eat the rest of leftover food Why would you do that Dishwasher monster I guess that’s the laundry It’s funny I still have this piece of paper that have the notes from my conversation with De’aran on it It’s funny when you’re talking to someone like reporters do this all the time It is a fascinating thing to watch Like old school like beat writers they write stuff down right on their notepads but it makes no sense Like if you looked at a reporter’s notepad like I bet I bet Jason Jones is the same way You look at Jason Jones notepad it probably doesn’t make any sense but he knows exactly what he wrote down and what it means I’m looking I I told the guys for some I still have the notepad that has the notes from that conversation I had with Dear where he I was like “Hey you cool if I keep track of what we’re talking about?” He said “Yes.” I don’t know what any of this stuff means I mean some of it I do but like like it there’s literally a note that said Mike got fired and then there’s an arrow pointing to the word probably [Laughter] No like he probably got fired No Mike definitely got fired I don’t know what the probably meant And I’m trying to figure out like I have all of these arrows pointing to different notes Like what does this even mean I don’t know You knew at the time I knew at the time I knew the next day what it meant That is what matters This is comedy The mic got fired with the arrow that says probably is so funny to me That’s hilarious Yeah Hey I’m gonna do something I rarely ever do real quick I almost never do this Okay When I say you’ll be like “You’re right You don’t really ask for this.” Giants start a three-game series against the Rockies tonight Okay I’m going to need all three I’m gonna need a sweep You know I don’t You know I don’t do that Yeah The Rockies stink I’m gonna need all three bro I I got you Two out of three is that’s okay Not good enough The Rockies have 12 wins right now Yeah I need all three I got you And you got the It’s the It’s the Dodgers after this or the after Yeah I was watching uh Dodgers Padres last night Extra inning loss Padres’s couldn’t get the job done Um but yeah you’re going to feel that way the Fourth of July too aren’t you I’m going to need you to just smack the A’s around and get out of here If if uh if if uh score minimum 10 runs a day Willie May is playing I was about to say if you if you got my boy out there Yo that might that might be the best catch I’ve ever seen Just that was crazy Nah we need to That one’s got to That one’s got to go on the screen That was crazy Absolutely He wasn’t even like under it either He had to reach out to the side Yo so had to had some hang time on the wall Yeah I I don’t Can someone else do it This is Kyle’s computer and Kyle’s being a smartass and logged out of Twitter Oh no We know why Twitter logged us out The company logged us out Well no This was Kyle’s personal Twitter I got logged out on this one too actually Come on man We’re all logged out This companyy’s so whack Stop logging us out of stuff Let me figure out if I could do this See I think I might I just want to I just want to put the I just want to put that catch on There is something about Hold on I’m here They couldn’t get your boy There’s something about that play that is so spectacular to me Like those it’s unbelievably difficult Like that that is a that is a tough tough play Like I watched those Bo Jackson plays on loop when I was younger just for I’d watch that boss bow video over and over and over again We could we could play YouTube videos on here right Yeah Well no I I got you I got Hold on Hold on I got you Sorry I reached to the punch pile They can Oh okay Sorry Casey You got to be quicker than that All right So here’s the play last night Let me go ahead and jump This one to center Oh nice Nice nice crack at the bat in and little choppy video but goodness gracious what a play Enzo look What a play Denzel Clark How about you Jesse That’s one of the greatest catches I’ve ever seen I love the strut My boy’s like “What What’s good?” One of the greatest catches I’ve ever seen That is Bo Jackson Ken Griffy Jr levels He’s not even like I said it’s not even a normal home robbery or whatever He’s literally like look where he’s at reaching over for still He’s climbing the wall Come on And and like I said one of the things that gets lost sometimes I know I I did it until you like get out on the field the wall Like that’s that’s not easy That’s not easy to climb the wall and then to be going full speed time where the ball is going to be all this other stuff It’s crazy Watching this he’s catching the ball on its way down A lot of guys are snagging it with the snow cone in the air He’s catching it on the other side of the fence on the way down there This this catch right here Goodness Mike had an insane catch in Baltimore one year Um Griffy’s got a great one Bo did Bo go rob one Oh Bo robbed a bunch of them cuz I feel like the one Bo did the one the one where he came running in kind of like Denzel was just doing pumping his fist pumping his fist That was one that was over Yeah I feel like that’s one of his better ones because that’s one where he got his like his his like elbow was over the fence and he reached back and caught that one and ran ran back in pumping his fist Then then there’s one that Ken Griffy got and he for some reason caught it and then just took off on a full sprint back to the back to the dugout There there’s So yeah I’m not imagining the bow The bow one is is one But I mean these are these are I say these these moments it’s like five of the greatest catches I ever remember Mhm Then this is one of them Now man that that that’s might be the best Bo got that one he was chasing He think he caught it just before the warning track and then climbed up the wall That’s the one I always think I saw that the other day That’s iconic Absolutely iconic But between uh Oh yeah Let’s run some Yeah let’s run some bow highlights here Oh my god Yankees Look at this one Let’s run some bow highlights That’s a tall ball right there Give me that Give me that That boy is bad That boy is nasty Jesse while we’re here can can we see the Can I see the mic Trump joint That one That So what’s funny I don’t even think that was the end of the inning Bo went running back and then no one else I think he just like slowed down and threw the ball back in like one out Bo is bad Mike shots was against the Orioles right Yeah that was that’s before yesterday That was probably the greatest one I’d ever seen This is one of my favorite plays in all of sports Robbing the home run Yeah Yeah Like like I mean the you know the you know the good infield stops and the throws those are good The diving catches you know in the in the in the field of play are good But these ones there’s an exhilaration to this Special Yeah it is special Here we go We got Mike Trout up dead center in Camden Yards Oh go get that young fella Go get that Barely got that one Trout Go get that Oh my goodness man And you probably sold out there I I would rank Denzel’s above that one Tory Tory Hunter I just seen him in that clip He got one against one Yeah he had a crazy Hunter was one of the greatest center fielders ever Yeah he was fantastic I love that play man Yeah So if if Clarkson center field when the Giants come I mean I don’t know My boy might be 11 to2 that day instead of instead of 13-2 About to say my boy Wilmer Flores might get robbed How the hell did the Giants score 11 runs with that um bet on batters Oh who know Yeah you can’t you can barely stand in it You’ll be great You can barely stand up Logan Webb is tripped for the fifth time today trying to pitch off of the mound This is unbearable Logan Webb’s going to strike out 16 and go you know this is the greatest mound I’ve ever been on And there goes Bob Melvin thrown out Let’s all wait a half hour till he gets to the clubhouse This is the Giants come out after the series Man I don’t know what it is This is the safest ballpark we’ve ever been in I’m not No you’re not supposed to say that Yeah No the poor poor rivercats just taking their own lives into their own game Again let’s all start a GoFundMe for the Rivercats when they have to play on this field Come on man I’m not This field is safer than sitting courtside at a Demarcus Cousins basketball That is not safe That was tough Well I Hey look Look I hear you Look at what he had to do Hey shut the hell up There’s my advice to you You sitting court The fact that you didn’t get your clearly you was saying something because by the time Demarcus turned to you you had your middle fingers in his face right The fact that nothing really happened brother you’re fortunate Mhm You are absolutely fortunate That’s what I’ll be talking about man People just think they say whatever bro This ain’t the NBA There is no invisible line here where the ghost of David Stern is gonna come down and put some fear into these guys People think they can just say whatever at any time Of course I don’t know what the penalties are for punching a courtside fan in a different country So maybe might be prison It might be it could be worse So in that regard thankfully uh hopefully he’s out of I want him I want him out of Puerto Rico because I don’t know him out of there It’s Puerto Rico I saw the way that those wrestling fans responded to Bad Bunny I don’t First one throw a chair at him We don’t want no smoke man Yeah cuz leave my boy Boogie alone I I don’t ever want to see that from from C man Cuz you know that situation could have gotten even uglier You know what I’m saying It got pretty bad Like it was it was bad Like he he that video of him walking to the locker room is pretty tough man But what if he was able to get into the stands like or something Like that’s that’s the thing That’s the tough part of this whole situation whether they said something to him or not Like this isn’t a situation that Marcus Cousins could win either way No it’s definitely you could you could maybe get your one get your one lick in real quick but then the fallout from that It was literally Demarcus versus that whole damn crowd And he egged all of them on until uh someone threw a beer and then he lost it Yeah he lost it He took like three of his security guards out and understandably So this goes back to what like why are you throwing a throwing anything at this guy Like why are you throwing something at this It’s that it’s we we’ve talked about this before like clearly it’s not just the NBA Like there’s a people think that there’s an invisible barrier right there where they can act how they act how they want That’s crazy That’s cra Luca Donuch acts like it’s there too He’s called Like Luca Luca could be calling people courtzside out their name He absolutely does Get smacked up one time Yeah Like hey this is two-way street pal But yeah that Yeah the the video of Demarcus trying to get to the locker room is kind of crazy Oh man That that’s kind of tough That’s Boogie is a weird player I guess just legacy wise because he had Hall of Fame talent but just never really realized anything that could come with that Demarcus turned around to fight and didn’t really know who he was going to fight He was just going to go in there Everyone was throwing it going Yeah he was getting he was getting beer dumped on him all over the place at that point Yeah And that’s once again man like I said makes you think you can throw beer on somebody or anything on somebody cuz it’s cuz cuz you don’t like the the team He got hit with one beer Turned around then immediately got hit by like six more Yeah man That like I said that was bad That was really really bad It could have been even worse So hopefully you know I mean hopefully he’s in his place where he can continue to play out there and and finish Yeah maybe just come home bro But I was about to say like is it even worth it at this point Yeah maybe maybe just come home dog Just come on back Like I know you I know you got a love for the game I know they’re paying you I am I am attempting to see how much Either way I don’t I don’t think it’s worth it man Come come come on back I found a bunch of So so Demarcus has been with that Puerto Rican League What This is his third second or third year I can’t find a dollar figure Well okay Up the band I hear you All right [Music] This one’s going to be tough cuz he never got that deal from Well I was going to say what would be a little bit tougher is figuring out what would have been Demarcus Cousins career earnings And here we go Obviously the sheet of paper there I can use I might be all out in here Oh guy not even prepared Just give me the win now Just No this No give me the win In his defense the company’s short on money and it’s difficult for to us to difficult for us to afford paper I I found one This does not include any money from Puerto Rico Just for the record Okay The 11year NBA veteran who was drafted number five overall out of Kentucky in the 2010 NBA draft 11 NBA years for Demarcus Cousins Stunningly his peak earnings were $18 million in the year 2017 What’s sad $18 million 11-year veteran former number five overall pick by your Sacramento Kings Peak earnings again $18 million This does not include money from Puerto Rico In one of the sadder career earnings in history Demarcus Cousins has earned Hold on Jesse We don’t have you on the screen yet Demarcus Cousins has earned what gentlemen We got 113 from Kenny Carowway We got 90 close We got 98 from Jesse Tapia [Music] for a gentleman who was on the verge of signing a $220 million contract extension with the Sacramento Kings Demarcus Cousins career earnings are 94,281,285 Jesse Tapia with another victory You look like you had something you wanted to say Do you want to say it I believe that was directed at you and not if you have anything uh that you share That brings Jesse’s win total to 10 Casey’s win total remains at four Job’s not finished And Kyle has still quit the league Well as evidenced by the scribble on the mark I think I didn’t start my run until mid June last year So you know it’s it’s about to happen It’s about to happen Third straight game you said that it is Like in fact I think you actually won one Yeah Yeah Yeah I’m like two and one in the last three right now Like I said I’m going to reel off eight of 10 you know eight of 11 I don’t have to win all the time Just going to reel off like eight of 10 Eight of 11 94 million for Demarcus That one hurt Demarcus was one of my favorite players at one point James Ham reported That contract extension for Demarcus was on the way It wasn’t 4220 I don’t remember what it was at the time I think it was five and whatever the max number was then I think it was 200 maybe 205 203 for 5 years James reported it Mark Stein jumped on it a day later It was Vlad commented on it and then he was a Pelican Then he was at the All-Star game and suddenly it was all over What holiday is in February Is it President’s Day Yeah Because I remember day into that sort of thing No one was No one was doing a show the next day Then Demarcus gets traded and famous last words We all go to do a show that day and we’re working like different hours and everyone comes in to work you know for three four hours whatever And yeah quite a quite a moment A dark cloud was lifted if I remember correctly Gosh I had to call in on that one I was like “Hey bro you need to stop You need to cut it out.” You called your boy that day Yeah So you That’s funny He didn’t say all of that when he had to face Demarcus that day or that night or the day after but man when he knew Demarcus wasn’t coming back boy his balls got big He was Tyrese after the shot running around doing the Sam Cassell joint All right man I tapped in I said “Man you got to stop doing this man Stop acting like cuz Hey Vlad was his BFF That was his They were best friends forever man Like he was going to have his back That’s what the whole thing about me was about Like that was his boy I hurt his friends feelings.” All right man Yeah that was all right That was crazy And as far as you know Vlad did that whole press thing This is people Jason to tell No there was like four people here They were in New Orleans with Demarcus They weren’t even back He’s holding this this media scrum but he’s not talking to the entire contingent of media And then he drops the better deal two days ago and no one follows up because they’re gone And everyone’s staring at him like “What?” And I’ll never forget I’ll never I’ll never forget the look on his face I had a better deal two days ago [Music] Huh And it became into this whole don’t trust agents thing and it’s like all right This is why you don’t put a notice is your boy This is the difficulty in firsttime general managers Period It’s also the difficulty in someone who does not have experience in a front office I can’t remember Demarcus’ uh agent’s name I for some reason I think we lost lost him recently I I don’t remember who it was Um but his job is Demarcus That’s his job It’s not you or your franchise or the future of your franchise or Buddy Healed It is Demarcus Cousins It is his client So this whole thing about learn can’t trust agents Well you’re a dumbass for trusting them to begin with bro They are think about when you were a player Your agent rocked with you Their concern was not Sacramento or LA or Charlotte It was you And that is this whole you get years into this Yeah Then you then you would Why do you think agents are becoming Leon Rose an agent He’s becoming a general manager Why Because he has relationships with all the general man general managers around the league People looked crazy at the Los Angeles Lakers for hiring Rob Pelanka Rob Pelanka was Kobe Bryant’s agent Knew every general manager in the league This whole game is about relationships Vlad didn’t have them I think we’ve learned Monty did not have them I don’t know if Wes had them or not I just got the got the impression no one liked him That is not the case with our current general manager That is a far far and what was PJ’s last job BJ’s last job by the way Who BJ Armstrong Oh he was an agent He was an agent Yeah These things go hand in hand man Yeah man 100% And but Bob Myers was an agent Thank you I forgot about that Right And and you need you need that in this game And this is the the silver lining Not saying that it’s guaranteed to make everything better but this is the silver lining for having a guy like Scott Perry in there compared to the last 10 to 12 years of Kings personnel decision makers Mhm None of them had those relationships None of them not one not Pete not Flotty not Ammani None of them had to So when people ask like why would it be different You literally have a completely different type of person making the decisions now Not a first- timer and not a guy with no no relationships and connections And I’ll tell you right now I’m just this is just this is just Kenny Carowway once again not reporting If they are able to pull off a trade for a Trey or a Darius Garland I’m pretty sure none of the regimes before could pull that off I’m with you completely That’ll be 100% off the the back off the backing of a guy like Scott Perry and the relationships that he’s created in the NBA world and in the agent world So we’ll see what what he can do Hopefully it’s something There’s rumors out there about the Kings having interest in Darius Garland Uh there’s rumors out there about the Sacramento Kings and Atlanta Hawks having conversations uh about the Kings acquiring Trey Young We’ve heard different incarnations of this deal some involving three teams some involving uh just the two Uh there’s rumblings that there have been conversations for over a month now Uh you could take that for whatever you want If there have been conversations for over a month and they’re just now getting out now why are they getting out now Are they closer Is is this is this thing real Who’s holding it up One thing I would absolutely expect is should a a deal be in place or should a deal uh come to fruition for Trey Young in the Sacramento Kings Uh fully expect a 4-year $229 million uh contract extension for Trey to accompany that Yeah it it seems I mentioned Zack Low earlier Zack Low didn’t believe that the Hawks were going to trade him partly because he didn’t know what the market would look like Now again I don’t know if this is Zack Low speaking on information or Zack Low just speaking But there might be some teams who aren’t all in on the idea of Trey Young for what would be the equivalent of five more years 220 Well it would wind up being closer to $280 million counting the the year already under the year he’s already under contract So that’s fine I’ve been through a not of I’ve been through enough of Well almost I’ll sign I’ll do it That’s fine Yeah Keep working Work on other deals right But yeah I’m good I’m signing up I’m good We’ll see it We’ll we’ll get uh we’ll get Jason Jones thoughts on all of this stuff uh we’re discussing when he joins us next here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 Does a Jay Cutler comp work for Demarcus Cousins as far as all the ability in the world but just never realized anything close to it I guess Um the only thing Jay was never as good as Demarcus in the league But the only thing that I would say is we never got to see Demarcus in a different situation cuz then he tore a kid Yeah So that would be my one caveat with him Diet soda on the fridge is killing me man No So that diet soda on the fridge is killing me You had No I just didn’t have any It’s just like why we got Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi Jacobs I don’t hate this comp This is a pretty good one actually It might be it And do I’d have to look at his accolades and stuff like that but he never really got wins out of it or anything like that too That might be the comp Scooter I just stay away from diet and zero sugar sodas They just don’t taste good to me Did he get a ring with Tampa at the end Well Scooter it’s not that difficult It is Dr Pepper Chris I don’t think he’s on the trade block I’d be pretty shocked right now A lot of this stuff feels like teams calling the Red Sox rather than the Red Sox offering players up right now Did Did um did the Phenom get a get a hit yesterday I think he went 0 for three got to walk an RBI with that Um had a line drive with 115 mph exit velocity Exit velocity if you’re into that sort of stuff I don’t buy that stuff but whatever I guess it’s just baseball now But I mean he made good contact yesterday so that was cool You look like the truth You’re supposed to be Red Sox need better starting pitching Try’s got some starting pitching they want to give up Good starting pitching No no we’re keeping it I’m also out on trading J Durant too I don’t want them to do that Where have I seen this Steven Bad take diet You guys lie about diet soda You guys don’t like that Oh come on bro People who say they like diet soda don’t actually like diet soda No bro Like stop Stop Stop It’s not good We can’t just say anything Well it’s like I feel like you say you like it because you know you’re not going to ever drink the other one So it’s like “Yeah I love diet soda.” Whatever It’s like you don’t have a choice Oh man I got this thing on in the background Another potential fight with Lance Stevenson This thing was crazy That’s kind of what I’m saying though Brian Like you don’t drink the the good stuff and eventually just get used to what you are drinking This thing was crazy Did you go see Wiz last night No Airport run and headache last night Man it was Monday What She ain’t paying me enough to go out on a Monday I’ll go out on a Monday No not me I ain’t tripping on that I had a For some reason I had a headache See zero sugar blackberry Dr Pepper will just get the regular Dr Pepper See let let the man live He doesn’t want all the sugar That’s a health fanatic Will Z right there He crossfits Cheating the game You guys are cheating the game Or just have water at that point Exactly Exactly No you guys Like what Oh I’m going to go to McDonald’s and get No like let them enjoy No let them enjoy their Coke Zeros and their diet diet sodas Oh sorry Club soda Okay I hate the members of my show man Oh man It’s just acting horrible Brother enjoys a little club soda once in a while andbody goes crazy Not allowed to drink Coke Zero not allowed to drink Diet Coke on this show I mean you can do whatever you want Club soda You could do whatever Jesse out here ridiculing everybody Just don’t try to tell us it’s better That’s the thing Yeah Well maybe to us it is man That’s the thing That’s the thing Me and Casey like “Yeah it’s fine Drink your diet sodas and all that but it’s not Just don’t lie to us.” Oh maybe we like it better I think Coke Zero tastes better than all that stuff Same with Pepsi Zero See when’s when’s the last time you had a regular Coke though Exactly You’ve been brainwashed Brainwashing is the way to put it But just having water man If I can’t have what I want let me just have water Some people want Coke Zero is what I’m saying Well hey they like it I love it We don’t We don’t keep soda at my house It’s just It’ll get drank so we buy water bottles or whatever I don’t keep That’s the best way to get water too Drink it That’s that’s been that’s been my technique too but it has been failing Now no no this is the other thing Stephen Brown and I love Gingerel I don’t care what Kenny thinks Gingerel I just don’t get it I don’t get it My whole family they love Gingerel I don’t understand it See I could never taste like crap I could never love Gingerel I can respect the game though It’s not the worst All right Well let’s bring in Jason Jones of of the New York Times and get his thoughts on ginger ale Oh the Dodgers win one damn game and here he is putting the damn I’m represent I’m representing for my people man Well uh Jay was out there at Money in the Bank at the end to it dome How was it Oh it’s one of the better shows they’ve put on in a minute I think You know I heard the latter I haven’t I haven’t watched yet but I heard the Money in the Bank match was really really good Yeah they both Yeah Yeah they both were And I didn’t get to Worlds Collide but this is one of my favorite Instagram follows So you know my brown brothers down there having a lot of fun on the internet so I had to make sure this was this was the shirt I wanted to get I was like that’s got some color to it That’s a dope shirt The one I wanted they didn’t have in my size It was like the clown with the with the with the beanie on with the like the knives behind it and all that So I had to settle for this one Did you uh had you been to the Inuit had done before that Right No I don’t remember the NBA anymore like that I had no reason to go I mean unless I was going for a show and I hadn’t been So it’s my first time there What’ you think The lights on TV always look weird It all like the the lights that they have I think they’re on the seats I don’t know if they’re on Yeah that was weird I was like it reminded me of you wait like when you’re in a parking structure that’s how you figure out where you know where you can park So I was like I was like I I was confused but I mean they have like little charging stations there So if you you know bring your cord in for your phone you can charge your phone at your seat Yeah It’s a it’s a Oh wow Okay Yeah I mean it’s a cool it’s a lovely building you know you know and it’s like that they the way they have that because you know how like you know SoFi and like Jerry World have the big circular screen or whatever Seeing that inside of an arena was different but you can it it does make it to where you can see everything Like there’s really nowhere you know where you sit where you can’t get a view of the screen because for where I was sitting I actually had a view of like the under like the inside part of that because like there’s like the inside view and that So yeah it was it was it was a dope it’s a dope building Okay Good stuff Too bad it it never it’ll never get used in June for anything but you know WWE or whatever But hey that’s a shot That is definitely shot Just saying I mean I mean doesn’t mean he’s wrong It just means it’s harsh What’ you think of our truth’s return before we get to I thought it was cool man I thought it was cool that the people raised hell let the let the people know that they they did not approve of what was going on and you know hey so we got to start getting campaigns going for people you want to see on TV get a campaign going I’m starting the carrying cross campaign I’m like the stuff he’s doing is so good and they give him like eight seconds on television like either advance this do something this is weird give Carrie a chance yeah I’m I’m all for that man he’s I mean for him to bounce back from when he went from like a killer in NXT to Vince putting him in like that weird like BDSM outfit on Raw and letting him lose to Jeff Hardy for no reason at all So I mean he’s I think he’s doing great stuff on TV He’s you know he’s making the most of it But yeah that’s I’m just one person But yeah that that place went crazy when you realized it was it was it was Well guess it was Ron Yeah it went crazy because everyone’s going “Who is that?” I’m like “That’s a black dude.” Like I’m like “There’s no way in hell he’s already back.” I said “Wow I guess he is.” I couldn’t I was like cuz my my thought was “Well who the hell is that?” Like “Oh damn It’s him.” Okay let’s go So be it was it was a good show Everybody I mean I had a great time down there Did you um It wasn’t said specifically that it was all part of the show but it was implied by Triple H Do you buying that Sure Sure Sure They got the whole locker room to confess their true feelings for Ron and Yeah No it wasn’t That that that was pro you know that’s money talks they realized hey we you know just maybe just you know I think it if you even remove just know the wrestling world it’s in sports there are people who are more valuable than just where where they fit say in a lineup or in a in a locker room you know just because someone’s not the top guy does not mean they’re not valuable and I think this that was a clear example just sometimes those people that there’s people who in everyone’s job to kind of hold things together you know to kind of keep everyone’s spirits up And he’s clearly one of those guys Uh we’ve been talking Kings basketball all day Um there’s rumors and rumblings and you know how this time of year is You don’t really know what to make heads or tails of but there’s reports out there that at the very least the Sacramento Kings have had conversations with the Atlanta Hawks about potentially acquiring Trey Young With Trey comes a four-year $229 million contract extension almost certain in any negotiation with wherever he’s landing What do you think of Trey as the player I think Trey is a hell of a player You know I think he you know he he had the one you know deep playoff I think he’s a clutch type guy You know he you don’t worry about him in the final minutes of game I I think he’s a hell of a player I don’t know You know I guess the question is you know is if he’s your number one guy you know you know what’s your ceiling with that But he’d walk he’d walk in and be the best player on the team off the bat you know but I think if you’re the Kings you can’t you probably don’t want to bring back LA what you what you ended last season with You got to do something different What it is I don’t know But I mean yeah I think Trey’s gonna come up with a lot of teams just because everyone’s assuming Atlanta’s going to do some you know try to shake some things up And I think a lot of it will come down to what happens with Kevin Durant first Mhm I mean there’s so and I and I think also you have to look at that second pick with uh San Antonio because they can do they can go so many different ways They can keep that pick They can package some of the guys they have with that pick they can package some of the guys and keep the pick So I think this I think this is going to be a another one of those real crazy off seasons and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trey ends up somewhere It could be one of those five six you know player team you know deals where a bunch of guys end up getting tied to one deal and guys are moved all around the place So I mean I think you know Trey would be box office in terms of name you know relevancy so on and all that but all depends on what you got to give up to get Trey you know do you want to make that financial commitment to Trey I mean because you can’t make that deal and then lose him in a you know you have to you’re making that deal because you believe he’s going to be your cornerstone So I mean there’s a lot that goes into it but I I like Trey Young the player even though I heard he doesn’t pass He just learned how to pass the ball like last month Just learn Just learn Just learn how to pass the ball So not bad If you were if you were the Kings um and you know their situation you know what’s going on with them would you like commit yourself to Trey Young you know give him the extension have him here for you know three four years beyond this upcoming season if it was available If you don’t you don’t make that trade without that commitment True I think if you’re making that trade you’re making that trade because you plan to keep him around Would you though do you do you feel that way about Trey Young Like would you make the trade and make the commitment to to kind of start building around him if you were the Kings I probably I would I mean because what do you have right now I mean do you you know Demar’s older you know I don’t think Do you do you want to build around a Zack Lavine Sabonis combination I mean I mean you know you you can’t bring back the two the 2022 Bulls next year You just can’t You You gota You gota I think if you can if you have a chance to get you know you’re getting Trey you know you’re getting Trey you’re getting a top 20 player in the league Yeah You know and I’m assuming you would assume a deal like that would keep they wouldn’t be dealing Sabonis in that deal So that would give you two you know top 20ish type players And I think to have a chance to make the playoffs in the West the way that the way things have shaped up you either you got to have that or you got to have supreme depth like you gota be how the Clippers were last year when they just had you know they were solid with you know you know from James to Norman Pal then you get Kawawaii You got to have you know you got to figure out whatever your blueprint is And if you’re going to go with two players you you know you’re not going to have a whole lot of teams that have a better combo than that Just a matter of how you make it work how you fill he’ll fill the rest of the roster out You feel like you can build around Trey I think you can build around anybody with talent Or maybe Trey and Domas like maybe that’s the the I think that’s how you have to look at it You got to look at who you’re pairing him with Yeah And I don’t know if I don’t think Trey’s ever played with a player especially a big who could be creative and allow him to have time where he can just be a scorer and not have to worry about running the team I’m trying I know that wasn’t Clint Capella you know So I think that I I that would be intriguing to me to see what you could do offensively with those two Of course the concern is going to be defense but I think that’s that you know you can you can you can scheme and work around that in some ca a lot of some cases but I think that’s compelling I think to if you’re if you’re a team like Sacramento and you don’t want to bank on you know what we’ll clear cap space and we’ll we’ll lure free agent X to the team in a year I think I think if if you can get a deal and get Trey to agree to because to me you only make the deal like that if Trey agrees to the extension you know you don’t want to make that deal and be like well he needs a year to feel it out You mess around he’ll be in San Antonio or he’ll be he’ll be somewhere else So I think you only make that deal with the extension And if you if those are your two guys you know I’m assuming you know but all I say you know depends on what you’re giving up I think if I’m Atlanta I’m asking for Keegan you know in a deal like that And if I’m Sacramento I Okay fine All right You know because you’re getting a There went the defender Huh I said there went the defender Yeah But okay Yeah But I I think you know that that’ll be on Scott Perry Go out there and find some more guys to do that because you’re not going to get someone if you’re Atlanta You’re not making that deal to get Zack Lavine and Demar De Rozan unless you’re just trying to clear money off the books you’re going to want something young a young player in part of that probably unless you’re just saying you know we just want to clear the books you know and then start fresh and assume we’re going to sign some people down the road I mean if you’re Atlanta you’re crazy not to ask for whatever their best you because Trey it’s not like Trey’s like 35 years old You know what is he like 26 27 Yeah Yeah Yeah So you’re looking at possibly you know getting Trey’s prime years Yeah So I mean to me if the deal includes Keegan to make that happen that’s to me more than fair I mean you probably have to throw in someone like you know maybe you throw in like someone like Devin Carter too you know you know and you’re going to need a big S That’s why I said Zack somebody like you’re going to need a big salary to make that work So obviously you probably shipping out Zack Lavine in a deal like that but you got But you still got Malik right So you don’t mind Yeah I think I don’t think you you know mind that when you still got you know you got a Malik Malik’s younger than Zach right Yeah He’s around the same age Oh yeah They’re not It’s not like you know so I think I think in that case you if you can make a deal like that I mean what you got to you you know what you got right now You know you you kind of know what a feeling for that is right now So you got to try something And to me that would be something that would definitely be worth trying On the on the flip side of it all RP um if you’re Atlanta why would you be looking to move on from Trey Young Like I think they’re probably just trying to reset things I mean I don’t know I mean what do you We’ve had seven eight years down there or whatever the case been I don’t even know what that I mean I know they got Dyson Daniels you know that you know the young player you know kind of of a of a core but really what is Atlanta right now Like what what are they I haven’t known that for years I mean you know and it’s kind of like you say you know what I mean maybe it is time just to go ahead and start over Like not even that it’s Trey’s fault but you know I just don’t know what they are It’s almost kind of like yeah we kind of messed up with this Maybe we don’t want to invest that what would amount to be five years $280 million moving forward into Trey With Atlanta it might actually be more than that now that I say that out loud Because if if Trey can sign a 4-year two something with Sacramento that means he could sign a five-year that Jaylen Brown Tatum type deal Yeah I’m assuming he gets kind of like situation with Dallas with Luca It’s like do I want to pay all that Even though I think it’s it’s it’s different for where the teams were I mean Atlanta wasn’t in the finals last year or this year but it’s like do I really want to commit 300 something million dollars to Trey Young so that we can be in the playin every year And it’s not like you know we’ve all been to Atlanta I don’t if you all been to Atlanta for a game It’s not like you can say well Trey’s box office and everyone’s coming to see Trey People ain’t flocking to no Hawks game I mean it it I could I could see a ve a various reasons why they say you know what why are we gonna bring Trey back and pay him $65 million or whatever it is for us to have a half empty building with half the town waiting for whoever we’re playing to come to town so they can get you know get loud in here They’re waiting for they’re waiting for the Warriors the Lakers and the Knicks to come to town so they can have a a packed building I mean yo I I to me I just not knowing exactly what Atlanta really is I could see why they might just say if we can get a bunch of young assets some picks you know we can make some you know we can start looking toward the future and just say you know what we we got to one Eastern Conference Finals with Trey you know maybe that you know maybe it was a little fortuitous they got that far but to me they kind of even though they got further it reminds me of the Kings in 2023 where you get seduced by that one year It’s like reality was the Hawks were not the second best team in the East that year They had a good run but they weren’t the second best team in the East And you you ask yourself what did you guys do after that How did you make this team better What did you do to supp Yeah One interesting component that I just noticed looking at at the Atlanta Hawks slightly disjointed roster Uh Dyson Daniels played 76 games last year Aw played 74 Reish State played 75 Trey played 76 No one else played 60 like they’ve had kind of a mismatch up and down Make some changes here We got Clint Capella DeAndre Hunter DeAndre Hunter We’ve have all of these like Yeah you trade Yeah You trade to Cleveland You trade Bogey to the Clippers It’s screaming we just want to start over Yeah it’s Well it’s screaming something but I’m not exactly sure what it is Yeah And it’s a disjointed mess is the the the point is is it’s a disjointed mess They’re in they’re in like that they’re in that purgatory where they’re not good enough to do anything But if you have a guy like Trey on your roster you’re not going to be like a 20- win team unless he gets hurt because he’s going to win you you know he’s going to win you 15 just by being Trey Young and then you’ll get you know so yeah So I mean it just might be time and so it’s not surprising I think we all kind of expected his name would get out there be floated a lot Kevin Durant you know anyone who plays for the Phoenix Suns his name’s going to get mentioned Yeah I just think it’s going to you know know Gaffford you know thanks to the lottery thing Daniel Gaffford I hope he’s renting and not owning in Dallas because one of those guys is getting traded I hope Jason apparently Jason Kids got some options That is crazy For those who aren’t hip to that there’s a there’s a couple of reports out there that the Knicks are really interested in Jason Kid Um a bit unclear if Jason Kid is their top target but yeah that’s that’s a thing And and stuff like that too You never know whose side that that leak or that rumor comes from Is it the Knicks Is it maybe Jason Kid’s agent I don’t know his agents I’m not trying to like smear but you know that doesn’t just come out you know unless you got someone who has no ethics That doesn’t Jason kid is very literally the guy who said “I’d love to coach the lo coach the Los Angeles Lakers while the Los Angeles Lakers very much had a head coach.” So I don’t know I don’t know that I don’t know that Jason kid works on the same uh Hey I mean if he didn’t have that everybody else if he didn’t have that legal situation he would have been the coach but you know they didn’t you know he was the he was clearly the coach in waiting when they hired Vogle like we’re going to put you on the staff Jay Kids when this guy struggles just kick you out but then kid gets another job So yeah it that would be crazy for him to end up coaching the Knicks He played for them for like eight weeks or something remember Yeah A lot of people believe that it’s up to Jason Kid what he wants to do If he wants to be the next head coach that would be so crazy It’s like it’s a trade There’d be a There’d be a trade involved New York would have to trade with Dallas Yeah I wonder what do you trade for Jason Kid Like what do you how much you want him I’m Dallas That’s what I’m saying How bad do you want him Give us Jaylen Brunson back and you can have him I don’t know if you can do that I can you trade a player I don’t know that you can be picked trade dra Yeah draft compensation because players draft capital to the even I don’t know 20 31 something I don’t know I mean I mean they’re kind of Yeah draft picks I mean doesn’t Brooklyn like have rights to most of theirs right now They got a lot of them Yeah But the other thing that kind of came up we talked a lot about Trey Young but one of the reports was Trey Young or Darius Garland If you’re looking at those two point guards for the Kings who would you rather take a chance on Darius Garland or or Trey Young I’m taking a chance on Trey I agree I think Trey’s a better player and if you’re going to take a chance on the better player Nick’s gota Knicks have their own 2026 pick by the way Oh okay Good for them Somehow someway they got that They’ll flip that to get try to like hey they’re trying to get that and cobble up a bunch of other assets to try to get Kevin Durant They’ll be like hey we’ll give you this God do you got Hey who on our roster do you want outside of these five guys like who do you want Well they might be willing to move Cat I mean if you if you believe the the Rumblings Cat could be I mean Cat Mikuel there’s contract ways that this any Kevin Durant thing for New York works Yeah I don’t know if Cat is realistic Muel Muel is 27 with a year left 27 and some change I think with with as an expiring M depending on I don’t I have no clue what this is going to be a wild off season and we’re going to see some stuff that we don’t it’s going to be something we don’t even see coming happen watch it’s going to be something like out the blue some you know some big name I think we already got that we got that in February or January or whatever it was I don’t know if we’re getting that again but I saw I saw he he he expects he expects draft around the draft to be when the movements are made Yeah Because now you you can go up and now another you know what is how does it go like you know now you get to the draft that you know that pick whatever you can use a different you know you’re armed with more picks and all that and team yeah who this is going yeah this will be a great year for a draft pick to not do get too comfortable with his hat He might get two or three hats that day Oh man I hate when they make them brothers do that Put the hat on and be like “Yeah you’ve been traded to such and such.” My favorite thing is when they’re doing the interview she’s like “Yeah you know hope you don’t like that hat too much because you’re not going to be wearing that much longer.” Dude’s like “Yeah I heard So where am I going?” Damn it Uh mind you most of these kids are like 18 years old Don’t give his family that hat They You’re not going to Chicago You’re going to Orlando Oh man Can you imagine thinking like you get you’re going to the San Antonio Spurs You’re go you’re going to play with Wimi and Castle and all these Yeah Actually uh we made a deal with the Charlotte Hornets [Laughter] In fact do you like do you like Cajun food Why You’re actually going to New Orleans Like okay Yeah It’s like yeah that that’s got to be And then you got to kind of like watch your facial expression Imagine you get that They like tell you that you’re actually going to Portland and you’re like what I thought I was going thought I was going to LA Nope That’s really looking like Steve Francis Oh that was an alltime classic He he wanted no parts of that Like why are you crying It’s like what is they thought he was overcome with emotion like oh go to Canada [Music] [Applause] My man wanted no part of that thing That was like the most like oh he must be so excited I’m like I don’t think he wants to go there now Everybody trying to rush off and get to Canada Crazy crazy how life works And they say life comes at you fast Yes they do Yes they do I’m with you though This could be I mean I think there are so many um like the Celtics for example you talked about Jaylen’s contract a minute ago There’s so many like question what are the Celtics going to do this off seasonason Like Yeah Are they going to try to get under that cap Are they or not the cap are they going to try to get under the apron Are they just gonna run it back out there with Tatum gone Are they just going to try to maintain things with Tatum out You know we talked about Trey There’s so many and and obviously Giannis looms There’s so many like questions headed into this off seasonason that it could could create some Luca Donuch like tweets Yeah because I mean because you look at Boston if it wasn’t for that apron there’s no question you run it back Yeah because you still got a really good team You know if you’ve got Jaylen Brown Derek White Drew Holiday like it might be Drew who gets traded And that’s crazy for as good as Drew Holidayiday is He just keeps getting treat that would just be crazy Like oh go ahead and trade Drew Holiday again You know you know elite defender good no clutch shotmaker Uh okay you know we we were all right You know go ahead and move you along to the next squ next spot It’s we we talk about this all of the time how you know we it it’s obviously it’s Drew Holiday it’s Trey Young it’s Tyrese Hallebertton That’s who’s getting traded But in a lot of these situations their contract is getting traded Yeah It’s not necessarily the player It’s a team uh trying to get under a salary cap It’s a team trying to in you know the type trying to advance their story uh their uh trying to advance their their their timeline so to speak their championship timeline It’s teams kind of resetting their their timeline a little bit with rookie contracts Like it’s it’s almost like it’s not always the player right No And that’s not attached to the player And that’s what makes it tough a lot of times especially if you’re a player like you did nothing wrong You just we just paid you too much Like we think you’re worth the money but you know if we’re not going to win a championship we don’t want to end up I think I saw one where it might have been with the Warriors where if you break down like say one of their end of the bench guys and you factor in all the the apron like you’re paying that guy like you’re you’re paying essentially $20 million just to have the guy on the roster That was uh Kelly Ubé When they had Kelly Ubé his his contract was like $16 million but it was like I don’t want to exaggerate but it cost them like 16 million right Yeah Yeah It’s it’s it’s crazy And what it’s done is it’s made teams that used to be able to you know there would have been a time where say if you’re the Celtics or the Knicks or the Warriors you wouldn’t even care We’ll pay your luxury tax No we’ll pay it Now it’s like uh do we really want to you know it’s not just much the apron it’s what it does in terms of those exceptions you can use in the offseason That’s why the whole big deal people in LA like come on LeBron take a pay cut Let us have that other exception and if you don’t we don’t have it I’m like you know Yeah So it’s it there’s just so many different layer I I think it’s one of those things when the NBA put it in even they didn’t realize the effects it would have you know because you even look at um OKC in the finals if they don’t win it this year how much longer is that team together it’s just it’s just the nature of it Jaylen Williams will be a supermax guy that means I mean what C got to go I mean you know these these are just the decisions are going to have to be made now going forward I mean of course OKC had like 800 draft picks to trade you know but still that apron is the apron And now I think your draft picks also become valuable because now that becomes an affordable way to fill out your roster Well I hate to say it but you know who was right from Jump was Draymond Well Draymond was like “You you we’re being punished for building our team like you you you hit on your draft picks you you build through the draft you do all of the right things you’re you’re being punished Like you can’t keep your team that you organically structured together We told him to shut the hell up But it turns out it turns out once you weed through the riff raff my man’s uh he’s been right a couple times Yeah I mean yeah It’s like I’m looking at Okay It used to be like hey their window is you know eight you know you have like a a long runway of a window Now it’s like your window is three years Yeah Right Yeah Yeah It’s like because you know especially if you have the draft picks like one after the other like three four years like okay eventually this guy’s got to get paid you know and then this guy’s got to get paid And yeah it’s And then if you’re a executive you’re like I hope that guy don’t make all NBA Oh like right like Memphis you know that cost Jared Jackson how Jiren Jackson how much money by him He missed all NBA by a couple of votes Yeah You know and then it happened to Klay Thompson a few years ago where he didn’t make all NBA so that cost This is Yeah I think the uh I feel like the owners put in all these rules to govern themselves because they make terrible decisions And so now they’re they’re so now they’re you know all the quote unquote smart good front they’re all going to pay for it because owners can’t control themselves Like even the idea that the salary is based on an award that the media votes on That’s crazy I want I want no say in how much money Sabonis is going to make I want no say in that That’s not my business But because I happen to one year maybe think that Sabonis is third team and another guy doesn’t think he is That means Sabonis should lose a hundred million That’s crazy That’s crazy That is wild Like if if if the Grizzlies want to give Jiren Jackson Jr a super max they should be able to give him a super max It shouldn’t be because this you know this guy who covers the Thunder decided that Jiren Jackson shouldn’t be on the AllNBA team Yeah You know why that Jay Jay’s right You know why this is happening Timothy Moskoff Oh see why do we why we got to bring up No I’m just I’m just saying thanks a lot Jason It it’s it’s Look you can’t trust these general managers to police themselves So they had to create a collective bargaining agreement that prevented them from doing really stupid things Thank you That was all right I I mean I I just you know you know had recovered and you know I with my life Come on man You got LeBron and Luca You guys are Lu Dang They had Lu Dang on the payroll for like 15 years I think Lu Deng is still on your payroll until someone proves otherwise I was like did you amnesty him till 2030 Like how are you still paying him My god I funniest story One of their people down there told me that they were like “Hey we’re going to bring in Lu Al Dang.” Oh that’d be a great mentor for the young guys What A one-year deal No Four for 70 What the hell Why What do you guys remember That was the year That was the year the cap bumped up and teams were just like throwing money at everybody like we gota we got to spend this money Mo was like 1202 I was like I was like Mitch Cupchack was at the door like that was LeBron He like he was like ready for it like oh yeah Yeah I was just like uh I guess uh Yeah All right Jay This was fun as it always Yeah Yeah Thanks for Yeah Go to the now Thanks for reminding me of those good old days The Hey we got a Dodgers Giants series coming up man There’s plenty of reason to be excited about you know me and Kenny were talking last night about the big win last night you know Stop bro You know Yeah He’s like “Hey yo Machado getting mad.” We love that No Machado No that was actually pretty cool because I was watching the game and they had the ump camera on and they had they went to the camera and Machado’s crashing out I’m like so he’s just all he owes he still owes that fam half of his contract right No leave Machado alone We’re going to beat your ass this weekend That’s the bottom line How that I don’t understand what you mean by that given that we’re playing the Padres’s right now How we’re not playing the Padres’s this weekend I don’t understand what you mean No the Giants are going to lay the smackdown on that on the Dodgers Okay I don’t care So Jake we appreciate you as always It’s our man Jason Jones of the New York Times aka the Athletic Always a fun conversation uh with him Great perspective of stuff happening around the league as well Well this was interesting Business may be picking up We’ll just do it again tomorrow Yes Until it happens Until something happens Uh plus game three of the finals Make sure you’re tapped in tomorrow morning beginning at 10 a.m with the insiders here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 Bamos Denzel Clark I see you boy Getting a sports center treatment Mhm That was a crazy catch too on Friday Oh Jesus Appreciate you Filthy Oh yeah Thank Thank you Filthy Uh Katrina’s right Y’all know what time it is man We headed over there now Uh hope you could join us If not all good man We’ll see you Uh actually no it’s not all good Take your ass over to 1025 please If not we’ll see you tomorrow
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