Another Day, Another Twist With Jason Kidd & The Knicks | DLLS Mavs Podcast

Another Day, Another Twist With Jason Kidd & The Knicks | DLLS Mavs Podcast

why haven’t the Mavericks simply shut down the Jason Kid to New York Knicks rumors we’ll dive into the latest Jason Kid saga next on the DLS Mavs podcast [Music] [Music] [Music] hey what’s up DLLs Mavs Nation it’s your man Kevin Gray alongside Mavericks beat writer Tim Ko Mavericks analyst Bobby Krell and of course our national NBA insider Mark Stein we are DLLS Mavs why haven’t the Mavericks simply shut down the Jason Kid to New York Knicks rumors plus what’s the latest when it comes to the courtship of New York and Jason Kidd we’ll get into all that and more over the course of the next hour really appreciate you joining us here on DLLS Sports on this overcast Tuesday here in downtown Dallas tim Ko what’s going on yeah I’m going to be watching the weather might not should have walked might have been a mistake we’re going to find out though will any of us Will any of us offer you a ride home i will i will you didn’t drive here i did not yeah you never leave anyway you’re not leaving any perpetually in the studio all the time that was a That was an empty uh offer oh well um I’m doing great back over 2000 in Blitz saw tennis last night uh one of my favorite bands they are uh they’re no longer touring they’re no longer making music so last night was my chance to uh bid them farewell and say thank you look at Patrick in the chat spelling rumors the English way even though he’s in Sweden love it love it wait for Patrick so life is good life is good fair warning sometimes if it starts storming our internet gets a little weird just stick with us uh if anything bad or unoured happens the whole podcast will be up uh later today and the whole VOD will be up on YouTube so there will be content served to you one way or another but hopefully we that we don’t even have to deal with that issue mark how you feeling on this Tuesday afternoon all good good times fun time of year you caught up on sleep no that will be after uh that’ll be after summer league not after summer league what we got a lot to get to today on today’s episode of the DLLS Mavs podcast because the Jason Kid to New York Knicks rumors can’t stop won’t stop and we’ve got to talk about it here on today’s show our very own Mark Stein dropping the latest on the Knicks coaching pursuit of one Jason kid who is currently under contract of course with your Dallas Mavericks for the next couple of years on his contract extension various reports saying that the Maverick excuse me that JC Kid and the Knicks have mutual interest the Knicks would like to hire JC Kid as their next head coach mark Stein where are we when it comes to the latest with Jason Kid and the New York Knicks after yesterday’s latest round of reports i mean look I don’t know that we’ve moved in a huge like I don’t know that it’s moved in a huge amount of distance since where we were when we discussed it at length i mean the Knicks their interest in Jason Kidd and fondness for Jason Kid that’s the way I worded it in this I wrote a long We obviously did the show yesterday i did a long story about it last night that’s undeniable it’s just this situation is so complicated there’s a history between these teams it’s like everything in the NBA there’s a level of back channel discussion that we’re usually not privy to and how extensive or expansive that is at this point I think is also hard to read but ultimately if the Knicks decide they want to go full boore for Jason Kidd that’s when I think things would really start to get set in motion and I don’t think it’s clear that they have reached that point but by the same token Tom Tibido was fired a week ago last Tuesday it was last Tuesday night that I reported the two names I was hearing Jason Kidd and Eime Udoka in that same story I reported that when I checked it out how would Houston react to an approach for Eime Udoka it was made very clear to me that it would be batted away swatted away don’t even try it i’ve sought the same kind of response in Dallas and it has not been conveyed in that same way and by the same token there has been nothing but Jason Kid talk to New York for a week now and the Knicks have not taken any steps to dissuade media pests like me from writing about Jason Kid and talking about Jason Kid you know Brian Winhorse my dear friend i was just sitting with him Sunday night at the finals in Oklahoma City one of my favorite teammates ever you know he was on one of ESPN shows this morning and I think the way he said it was quote “Yeah read the quote the Knicks absolutely would like to hire Jason Kit to be their next coach their next head coach the question is will the Dallas Mavericks quote allow that end quote so if it is I mean if it is to that point then this thing gets super interesting obviously and again the two teams involved have not taken any steps to hush this noise so that’s why we’re here that’s why this is all right now in the NBA it’s the finals obviously giannis and Durant and this story there’s only one coaching vacancy in the NBA it’s the New York Knicks in the biggest media spotlight in the league and here we are yeah I think I think you bringing up the back channel discussions something that we do not we are not privy to something I’m not privy to here’s the way I see it kind of putting together the the dots is that there is at least some tenative idea that if the Knicks ask the Mavericks the Mavericks will say no tenatively that is the idea i agree this is we’re still talking about this because it has not been definitively stated because nobody on the record nobody forcefully off the record is willing to say Jason Kid is going to be a Dallas Mavericks the Dallas Mavericks head coach next season but there is a tenative idea that if the Knicks ask then the Mavericks are going to say no and once you get a no in theory that’s a no you move on that’s the end of the story line if the Knicks believe that Jason Kid can still be their head coach if there’s mutual interest if there’s any idea that Jason Kid is going to leave Dallas where you work that out is on the back end secretly quietly back channels you don’t work that out by going and asking and getting a no you just leave it open you just leave the idea floating out there and with nobody able you know willing to say no why would the Knicks go ask the Mavericks if they think they’re going to hear a no if they think that Jason Kid is still in play which clearly they must they do there’s not other names floating around that are being linked well every name that is floating around is an employed coach so the Knicks are going to be in the same position with whoever they go after so leave it open so leave it open don’t go get the no and just see if there’s some way to work it out uh like if it gets to a point that Jason Kid is interviewing for and Kevin you made this point i thought it was very good you made the the point yesterday on the show what do the Knicks have to ask Jason Kid what are are they are they That’s one of the big elements here they they already know him they know him and they want they already like him james Dolan knows Jason Kidd because the last season Jason Kidd spent as a player was as a Knick and that was not just a throwaway season that was the last 50 win season that the Knicks had until the two that Tom Tibido just coached jason Kidd was interviewed during the off season of 2020 when the Knicks hired Tom Tibido i feel like that job realistically was always going to be Tibidos but the word was that Jason Kidd made a very strong impression in that interview process and that was with the Leon Rose administration essentially the front office that is there now apart from Gerson Rosas who has since been added to that group and I’m told the Knicks love the idea of a former player turn coach to be their next coach and Jason Kidd is as successful a player turn coach as we’ve seen for some time he checks numerous boxes and maybe the most important one no I shouldn’t say that not the most important one a very important one though is Jason Kidd understands the whole atmosphere of New York he played as a Net he coached the Nets he played as a Knick he knows what it’s like to work in that atmosphere and Tom Tibido for the last five years has been the front-facing person for the Knicks because we know their front office doesn’t talk ever james Dolan he did the Jaylen Brunson and Josh Hart roommates podcast but other than that he’s not talking either the coach is the voice of the organization and I’m sure the Knicks have done the math and know that Jason Kid could do that for them so he checks all these boxes but Tim said something interesting there and I I just want to add just a little bit of reporting to it since I I wrote a big story about Kid also Kid and the Knicks interest in him on Friday since then I’ve heard what I would describe as a few well-placed observers say exactly what Tim just said the presumption is the Mavericks would deny permission to speak to Jason Kidd if asked but I’ve also heard since then and this was in my story last night there is some belief within the organization that the Knicks won’t ask so that’s just a couple points of context but yes I think it could have been whispered to me or McMahon or Brad Townsen or Tim Ko or whoever you want to say that if the call comes we’re going to turn it down and that firm declaration to this point to my knowledge has not been conveyed to any of us who regularly cover the team when NBA teams really want to get something done the new normal is that they just go try to do it it doesn’t matter about contracts or language or rules doesn’t matter what the NBA has put in the CBA that says “No you shouldn’t do that you shouldn’t do that.” Obviously we know this about tampering uh think back to Derrick Jones Jr last summer uh he fired his agent signed with Clutch and there’s supposed to be a period that waits between those things to happen did that really apply did the NBA uh or sorry did the the teams involved did the the Mavericks and the Clippers really abide by that no not really did anything happened about it no you know did the Clippers and Derrick Jones more or less get the outcome that they wanted uh yes or at least in terms of he was represented by somebody who technically probably should not have been representing him in those those moments so there’s a lot of like there’s a lot of situations like this and you know I I think to the extent that the Knicks and Jason Kidd need to have an interview it’s probably Jason Kid saying how much money do you want me to you know do you want to pay me is this worth it for me uh but but this is a situation where I you know we’re we’re fixated on the permission to ask for an interview whether the interview is going to happen because that’s what’s public facing and that’s what teams are supposed to abide by it’s very clear to me that everything that is happening is happening outside of those boundaries and if something happens then it’s not going to be eventually the Knicks ask for permission get turned down or get accepted it’s just either going to happen or it’s not like this is all happening outside of those boundaries because that’s what NBA teams do at this level because ultimately all of them all every single one because ultimately the power lies with the powerful people not the set of rules that you tell the powerful people to abide by to obey to be like okay you’re supposed to do it this way very clearly the Knicks are operating outside of Oscar outside of the way he’s okay Oscar he’s okay I’m doing just fine cuz I do want before we go to break real quick Bobby get your response to this and we’ll dive into more of it here in the next segment because one of the things and I mean I tweeted out you know a couple hours ago it feels like in a lot of ways the Mavericks are allowing the Knicks to openly disrespect the relationship with their head coach by allowing him to be publicly courted whether it be through what we’ve heard from reporting the reports not being shot down by the Mavericks i’m just I guess I shouldn’t be you know surprised by the idea given all the things that have happened over the last four months but the idea that the Mavericks are just simply allowing this to continue to happen when they could simply come out today or a week ago and say “This is not happening whether they decide to call or not we are not allowing Jason Kid to interview for this job.” It seems that simple if Jason kid interviews what what what benefit is is it to him to interview and then end up back on the Mavericks and go back to a coaching staff to a locker room full of players maybe his biggest strength as a head coach and say you know and for them to all know that he was actively looking and talking to another team about another job especially when things are supposed to be on the up things are supposed to be optimistic i think the framing the optics for Jason Kid are a lot better right now 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feel like anything’s changed it all feels very procedural it all feels very NBA um NBA I Yeah I just don’t really I just don’t really have a very strong opinion about it one way or the other okay give me Washington’s 2026 first round pick that’s it you want you want the assets you want to build the roster potentially with uh give me give me some pics man that should be your that should be on your tombstone just give me some pics over with just get it over with come on like it’s it I this the second week of June i understand that you know uh it is the it’s the finals so people should be talking about this here but we can’t resist talking about other stuff studio guest a couple weeks ago and now you’re just like give me some picks i just get him out of here get him out of here uh yeah yeah I just I don’t really I just don’t really I am just very grateful that this saga is better than the last coaching saga that happened in last year’s finals oh with JJ Reic and the Los Angeles Lakers yeah yeah before every game was Jason Classic Stanglover agreed with you with his uh where with their super chat KG uh with the 499 super chat uh this front office is an S show uh I was debating coming back because of Cooper Flag but I can’t until the front office is gone uh so class or classic Stangle Lover with some strong feelings with it comes to the idea of the Mavericks front office um it just feels like in a lot of ways that the Mavericks have had had many chances to be able to put this to bed as Mark has reported the Rockets uh did so very strongly uh with the idea that they would swat away any potential requests from the New York Knicks and it feels like for an organization that has already had questionable uh dealings with the New York Knicks in terms of tampering with a former player that obviously plays for the New York Knicks that you would want you would not want to have anything to do with this franchise who has actually had you know the kind of dealings that had with it um so for them to kind of just allow this to just fester and go on uh I think speaks a lot to how the situation is playing out but the title of Mark Stein’s latest piece last night the latest on the Knicks coaching search and their interest in Jason Kid let’s dive into the idea of is Jason Kid angling for this job Mark Stein or uh is this more of a leverage play i see that in the chat too i know a couple a couple of our friends in there have have said the same thing and look this is because of what went down 10 years ago because Jason Kidd coached one season with the Nets and then moved to Milwaukee the discussions the discussion has become this is what Jason Kid always does and like last last season in the playoffs the Lakers fired Darvin Ham it was immediately said that the Lakers had interest in hiring Jason Kidd and the Mavericks gave him a two-year contract extension because the Lakers did have interest in Jason Kidd because obviously LeBron James and Anthony Don Davis was still a Laker at that time and they both love Jason Kidd so that’s what happened was Jason Kidd angling for the Laker job in the middle of the playoffs i would say no now in this case what has he done what has he angled what has he done he coached Jaylen Brunson they spent a season together in Dallas that’s a big part of what this all stems from in my from my seat I don’t believe he’s angling for this job do you know where Jason Kidd has been the last two days he’s been in the office and at the Mavs free agent works the Mavs are yesterday and today are auditioning guys who are heading for free agency guys like Dennis Smith Cam Reddish was in town as well guys who are trying to Dennis stay in the league um people what what h part of what happened in Milwaukee mark Lazri who was one of the two Bucks coowners at the time is very close with Jason Kidd jason Kidd does not end up coaching the Bucks coaching Jana Santo if Mark Lazar is not there and that relationship was a big part of what landed kid there but so you know then I guess there’s this notion that is he supposed to come out and say show me a coach on the map if the Knicks are interested in you show me a coach on the map who’s going to come out and say no don’t come after me with your bazillions of dollars isn’t it fair to say that’s what Houston did through Eayoka the team needs to do it yes I do agree with that the team needs to do it the team needs to do it but if the team hasn’t done it I I I at least understand how people could look at the situation and say “Well maybe the team isn’t doing it because they’re not sure their head coach wants them to do it.” I to me it be to me because the team the Mavericks haven’t done it in a firm way and the Knicks have not come out and said no you media idiots are all wrong we don’t want Jason Kidd i don’t think that adds up to Jason Kidd is angling for the job i think angling is a Yeah I mean I I don’t I don’t I don’t know you know angling is is is such a specific word and you know what exactly he’s doing in the situation i just wanted to bring a a couple things first just in total fairness uh Jason Kid as a player this was more than a decade ago but Jason Kit as a player did something similar 100% hey I covered that story and knock a knock on wood that that was a good scoop for that ruined a vacation that ruined a family vacation everyone thought everyone thought he was coming to the Mavericks and he ended up going to the Knicks and he was the second Mav to do so kurt Thomas did it in 1999ish and then and then DeAndre Jordan famously did the Jason did it in 2012 did the biggest and funniest version of that um so just out of fairness I want to bring up that there is at least one more one more thing that you can point at the other thing I’m gonna say and I just want to my guy Charlie Saturday who I love I love Charlie Saturday like family but like I I knew he was going to be in this chat charlie Saturday loves the Milwaukee Bucks more than life and so you know he’s taking some fun shots at me i see you Charlie Saturday it’s fine fire away but this situation to me is not the Milwaukee Bucks all over again it it it isn’t yeah i’m not I’m not disagreeing with that and I’m not disagreeing with anything that Jason Kidd is doing i want to I want to point out two other things first you know I have heard I I heard as early as February and reported in April that there is a lot of chatter there has been a lot of chatter and discussion around the league about Jason Kit’s future and whether he would be in Dallas next season and I stand by that reporting i stand by everybody I talked to i feel I had you know the people who I was talking to who were hearing this conversation uh again it was a little bit different than saying Jason Kid is angling and desperately wants out but it was people saying we don’t know if Jason Kid you know a lot of people are wondering and don’t know whether Jason Kid is going to be in Dallas so I’m going to bring that back up just in the context of now there is a drawn out saga of Jason Kidd potentially going somewhere else the other thing I want to bring up is that I don’t think Dallas is an amazing situation for a head coach and a front office next season because Cooper flag is now looming over everything this team is choosing to win now to try to win now they’re going to do that even with Kyrie Irving out for half the season if that doesn’t go well it is easier than ever especially with Nico Harrison publicly you know like being very very toxic publicly he is not somebody who was appearing it is Jason Kid who is appearing in media and interviews uh it is it is not Nico Harrison i don’t expect we are going to hear from Nico Harrison put up Juan Martinez’s comment probably until I don’t think we’re going to be a fine involved here i don’t think we’re going to hear from Nico Harrison the rest of the year i don’t think he’s going to do a public interview i could be wrong but like that is the most reasonable PR choice to make with him there is a scenario where if Dallas does not succeed it gets easier i do not know what’s going to happen and quite frankly I think if you’re sticking with this plan that this team this core this veteran core can win and then you can also rebuild with Cooper after that I think it’s actually pretty foolish to judge next year’s results just because Kyrie is going to be out for so long that it’s going to be so difficult to expect this team to get up to where it needs to be but it’s going to be so much easier if you’re Patrick Deont I would have to imagine to potentially pull the trigger and say “All right actually this is not working off to a rough start kyrie’s coming back but the team’s 10 games under 500 the team Anthony Davis uh got injured again and it’s a situation where you know there’s no saving this season uh why would Kyrie even come back this year there is real possibilities if things don’t go their way just because things went did not go their way last season that doesn’t earn you good karma that doesn’t mean you go into next season and just think now we’re gonna have a perfect perfectly healthy injury uh you know season without any injuries with total health that’s not how it works if this happens again it is easier than ever to just rebuild around Cooper that is always there now total rebuild but to put somebody else in the head coaching position to put somebody else in the front office that these are things that could happen next season they are plausible there are not mic you know like tiny odds there there’s not tiny odds of this happening there are perfectly plausible things that could play out and if you’re Jason Kid yeah maybe you do want out so I think you said this Bobby too like if if he wants out of a situation that’s very but he doesn’t i don’t I mean look this is And can you put up Charlie’s quote because Charlie’s I love this man this is what Charlie Saturday just said about me the love is mutual and I genuinely respect your loyalty to the me to the man it’s commendable but kid could light the AAC on fire and you would blame blame the sprinkler system so look Charlie Saturday is my guy we have this back and forth forever and what it is I I just feel like Jason Kidd as a coach is continually disrespected jaylen Brunson the belief is that the Knicks interest a big part of it is because Jaylen Brunson by all accounts would like to play for him i’m convinced that Anthony Davis wants to play for Jason Kid in Dallas i’m even more convinced that Kyrie Irving wants to play for no one else but Jason Kid in Dallas i know for a fact that Jana Santako still holds the man in extremely high regard why are they all on the maps and one of us and and yet another reason why the Knicks are said to want Jason Kid is the conspiracy theory belief that Giannis would have more interest in the Knicks if Jason Kid was coaching there all of these great players like and respect and want to play for Jason Kid and that’s never talked about and as an observer of the game I’m just so this show this show the com half the comments throughout the season are about how everybody on in chat can out coach this guy who all these players want to play for so I mean that is you know that is what I’m really talking about that you know again Charlie and I love to have this back and forth i I think I think he is routinely and continually disrespected for his coaching acumen and what he’s achieved as a coach so if the Mavericks know this let’s go with that if the Mavericks know this they could have said a week ago “This is our guy not only is this our guy we are going to reaffirm our commitment to him and maybe even take it a step further by adding another year or two to his contract to ensure that he is the coach for now and the future if we’re to go with that why hasn’t this organization simply taken that step?” If we are to believe all of that I am right there with you Super Kev and I don’t know because 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code DLS for 10% off that’s ruggedroadoutdoors.com use code DLSS for 10% off today what’s a sneaky move that you would be happy that the Mavericks would do this summer uh that would get you excited going into this off season we’ll dive into that here in just a moment but to finish up our conversation uh on the whole thing with Jason Kid because one of the things I just found fascinating about this this would be like and this is not for these two gentlemen because they’re not married or anything but Mark I don’t understand the reference uh this is like just own us yeah I did get a get a girl or something oh yeah never mind jeez this would be like I’m catching from LS and you and everyone well welcome to to the show what did L say ls was like Bobby why are you going home you got nothing going on whenever you get there all right live on live on a Stars postgame with like 1,200 people watching or whatever it’s like fine ls i can What’s happening drop the gloves and go at it no I’m not he’s not fighting LS come on now i’m not fighting anyone um this is akin to like okay let’s say me and my wife are just like walking in the park right and some dude like walks up to my wife and sees the ring like on my wife’s finger but looks at her and says “Hey I want to take you out not only do I want to take you out I want to get married to you.” while I’m standing there looking at oh boy trying to take my wife from me that’s what it feels like the Knicks are doing when it comes to Jason Kid in this whole saga like openly disrespecting the relationship the the relationship that the Mavericks have uh with their head coach and I just find it fascinating that the Mavericks have just not decided to just stop all of this uh because they’re openly just like letting the Knicks you know whether it be through you know the public or whatever back channels whatever the case may be uh do this but I do have a simple question for you Mark Stein when it comes to all this does Jason Kid have interest in taking that job we keep hearing about all the interest that the Knicks have in Jason Kid does he have interest look I cannot I cannot speak for him i don’t know to like I I you know again Wendy my guy said there’s mutual intrigue that was the phrase he used but again I think it’s more here’s a hypothetical what happens if the Knicks through the back channels tomorrow tonight Friday whatever what happens if the Knicks say “We want to we want to give Jason Kid 60 million over five.” Is there a coach who wouldn’t listen to that or have intrigue mutual intrigue i don’t I mean any coach I just don’t think a coach even Eric Spolstra if if the Knicks were gonna throw some crazy offer at him I would imagine there would be intrigue to hear what it is i do I just do not believe it is on the coach to come out and say no i mean he’s he’s doing his job he’s he’s been the the Mavs have deployed him as the spokesman for all things Cooper Flag he was on this show the Dan Patrick show Fox 4 with Ducy and and Sam Ganon he did local radio he’s in the office today like I you know I don’t know what else he’s supposed to do but I don’t think any of us I don’t think any coach in this league is saying “No New York please don’t come at me with some crazy rich offer okay uh because I would just love to know that because we keep hearing about all the answers from one side like I want I don’t think I do not think he is looking to leave Dallas he he is very settled here his family is very settled here and he is very close with the two superstars who are in place and I mean Cooper Flag I mean this is one of the elements of this that is the that is to me the most worris the shortterm concern here is Cooper Flag is scheduled to be in Dallas a week from today is this story still going to be rumbling on a week from today i wouldn’t if I’m the Mavericks I would not want it to still be a story a week from today when Cooper Flag is making a visit to Dallas i mean that to me is because the optics are terrible that’s that’s also my ultimate belie when you get ready to host the number one pick in your facility uh that you’re going to be drafting here uh coming up in 15 days um but we’ll have more on this whatever developments come up when it comes to the Jason Kid saga we’ll continue uh to follow those but what is something that would get you excited in terms of us maybe a sneaky move or something that you enjoy the Mavericks doing let Bobby talk this off season i was going to say welcome to the show Bobby thanks everybody how was your weekend i’m doing well i’m doing good cook Carella saw tennis last night great band what’s the under radar mood that would make you happy this summer carella um all right so I I I have a few so these are non uh nonobvious names we’ve spent the last month or so or more talking about guys that they could trade for pursuing free agency or draft colin Ston Chris Paul yeah none of those none of those guys those are all on the radar all right so I’m going under the radar i’m going I’m going below the radar i’m flying real low uh a couple free agents all right and I’m I’m mostly thinking for these guys these are like playmakers okay these are guys that can handle the ball fill in that you can get on the minimum okay i want you I I’ll say the names and then you guys give me like thumbs up thumbs down like we’re gladiatoring this right all right campaign [Music] thumbs down yeah I guess you got to you got to verbalize it for the pod audience for the I’m I’m neutral shifting slightly up but I’m not I’m not a campaign guy but in terms of like not a campaign guy more of like a like a multiplayer guy but I see the value of like I do think he can create some shots i I is is I think he’s better than Spencer Inuy i would agree i Well I think what the Mavs need a guy that can kind of get places you know um how about a guy that That’s why I’m like leaning more up than down less known for his playmaking but still can handle the ball a guy that we all totally remembered was on the team that he was on whenever he was in the playoffs dylon Wright interesting two names former Mavs legend uh I think I’d be more in on campaign than Dylon Wright even though I like Don Wright better as a player feel like with both of those guys there’s no way they’re going to keep both of them they’re deuce as well and Jaylen um Don Wright is kind of falls into the I don’t think he’s better than Dante Axom i’d rather if I’m the Mavericks I’d rather bring back Dante Exom okay i I think I would too um a guy that I feel like has been linked to the Mavs for his entire career Alec Burks i’m thumbs up on that i’m a Alec Burke guy thumbs down i’m probably thumbs down on that oh wow feels like he’s a tough shot maker not a shot creator 58.7 EFG last year granted it was his careerh high and only the third time in his career he was above 50 which is pretty shocking um all right this guy upcoming free agent these are these next two are less playmakers uh more point of attack defenders gary Payton the second i’m a big Gary Payton the second fan oh I am too nice glue guy um I’ll go thumbs up on Gary Payeyton the second is he better than Dante Exom does he pass the the Exom line i think he’s a better point of attack defender than Dante i agree with that too offensively I don’t think he’s as good as Dante but then again honestly honestly Peyton can make a good cutter decent passer good rebounder for his size three or two every now and sure are we that his offensive success translates outside of the Warrior system who can say for that reason I’m thumbs down he’s a defenseless champion you said Chris Paul yet no under the radar oh my bad i wasn’t listening we’re calling it We’re calling it the Chris Paul radar I think i think they need more point of attack i don’t know i I I could easily talk myself into Gary Payeyton i’ve liked him forever so I’m very biased um this guy not a free agent but is entering the last year of a a pretty modestly priced deal josh Aogi thumbs down i’m out on Suns yeah he’s on he’s on the Hornets right now it’s even better it’s even better anyone who is a Sun Super Kevin he’s on my list of guys I don’t like watching unless his name is Kevin Durant he’s He’s a worse off uh he’s a worse offensive player than Kayla Martin and Kayla Martin’s ceiling as an offensive player way higher than him okay all right um I don’t know how they would get this guy but he plays for a team that’s got a lot of players aj Mitchell from the Thunder entering uh the final year of his essentially rookie deal at $3 million spell AJ A Y aj A Y yeah I’m out you just don’t like shortening words all right you want You want to call him like Adam John then or whatever is whatever the AJ stands for you don’t like abbreviations you think he’s available i don’t know wait which AJ aj Mitchell the the guard for the Thunder okay that’s who I thought you were he’s like their 24th best player in game one thunder have way too many players on their team it’s It should not be allowed they have way too many i think AJ John uh Mitchell AJ Johnson yeah that’s a AJ Johnson that’s a whole different guy yeah that’s a very different guy a much better guy uh I think AJ Mitchell is good but I I just don’t know if the Thunder I don’t know if a player entering I don’t know if a rookie is trying to leave his team that’s in the finals he’s more likely to get minutes in Dallas though that’s for sure for sure for sure but you know if he was two years into only playing a little bit like he got some chances as a rookie yeah he got he got a he got a big I think the mindset of a rookie in that situation is like “Oh man i played a little bit on a championship team wait till I get to year two.” Maybe maybe you’re right you’re right not his choice he’s not a free agent right um a guy that they could trade for not sure he’s available but he plays for a really sorry team a personal favorite of mine Jose Alvarado oh for sure thumbs up yeah four and a half millie in the last is he I mean could he start and run your team till Kyrie’s back no but you know who would love this team still would go get him your boy Naji Marshall him and Jose Alvarado real tight you want the knife to be happy don’t you you want the knife to be happy i don’t see Jos Alvarado starting over the knife at point guard i think if that was if Jose they still need playmak it doesn’t matter if he starts or comes off the bench they need playmakers I like that Alvarado really gets downhill um he adds to the shooting issue he seems like he has wonderful vibes I’m not going to lie seems like a great I would love a Jose Alvarado type on this team he would be great lastly dog uh easily the most expensive contract of uh the guys that are still under contract but another personal favorite of mine Terrence man I have no idea what the Hawks are doing like I I don’t know what the they always play gunga Dan wants Reed Shepard you know what don’t think the Rockets are parting with him or if they are it’s going to be like a very Kevin Durant he’s not under the radar he’s not under the radar bobby welcome back to the show thank you i have never known what to think of Terrence Man how would PJ Wash feel about Terrence Man yeah I’m in on Terence Man he’s pretty old but yeah I’m in on Terrence Man definitely definitely easy easy thumbs up most expensive so I was also couching this and like you know what’s the first names you said are more realistic and so it’s easier for me to say thumbs up to a guy as like oh yeah like you would have to give something up for Terrence man so that’s that’s part of the uh the factor here terence man responsible for one of the most viral moments in Maverick’s recent memory standing on business playoffs that’s true thank you for your services there is a pair of scissors just sitting on the floor over there it’s making me kind of nervous tanner be careful yeah be careful well should we read the super chat we’ll get to it at the end we’ll get to that but it applies to this we need a break a $2 pound is euro um that’s a pound uh no that’s a euro euro um from Johnny King i like Dennis Shruder on this team very underrated he’s also very expensive yeah I I mean look Shruder I think the Mavericks would love him but the there there’s already I mean free agency is still technically what is today june 10th so free agency is 20 days away there’s already pessimism in the air that they would have any realistic chance at Shruder so that tells you that the famed back channel discussion that we referenced earlier that the Rumbles are already that he’s going to be too pricey that guy’s been like max deal minimum a lot of money minimum again still somehow super awesome like his career has just been wild he was really good for Detroit when he went over them though uh let’s take our final break here on the DLS Mavs podcast when we come back let’s go around the association that Giannis attempt put the tr trade rumors to bed uh by 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wrong so if this team doesn’t matter that wouldn’t be good for the show that would be really bad that’s right i would love for the team to matter please matter johnny Kane comes back within with the uh two uh how can Kid truly trust Nico again after Luca Donic’s trade depends on who you ask a lot of fans believe that Kid was super in on it some people don’t i guess we’ll never know the tr Well I mean we’ll I need to know where Johnny Keane is if he’s paying in euros johnny Keane please add that info to the to the chat so I And Jason Kid also says a lot you know he’s he’s the chef he doesn’t he doesn’t go buy the ingredients again to the extent that anything Jason Kid ever says to the media into a microphone matters you know and he said on our podcast mattered a lot and they were all truthful correct but everything else you know I would say this about every single head coach in the league and I think Jason Kid particularly has a sense of you know he’s just going to say things he’s just going to say things and and and move on and and and go to the next question uh but yeah that’s that’s what he says and clearly you know I I think I think that’s the whole debate you know is is you know you you could there’s a million ways to to look at it you know was was he actually all in on it the the whole time you know I I don’t think that he I don’t think that he wanted the trade to happen like that when it did in that manner um that’s what I’ve reported that’s what I believe beyond that was he interested in a uh you know in a Luca trade um people people vary in in what they say about this you could even look back at the you know the infamous uh Babe Babe Ruth quote which was kind of cool apparently you know like if he if there’s some secret like just total schism between Jason Kid and and Nico Harrison you could look back on that comment in a very different light um I don’t think that’s the case but you know I I think we explained at the time that it was it was more referencing a uh a Dallas Morning News uh column but but yeah I mean you could see it in a different way but you know the point is that you know the coach is going to coach with the the the players on the on the court and you know it wasn’t Nico who went and got Cooper flag obviously um but coaching Cooper Flag is a pretty good uh pitch for any head coach it’s a pretty good pitch on a team that does have a lot of talent and pieces um you know again my whole thing is I just hope they understand and take as seriously as possible what this Kyrie absence next season for more than half of the season is potentially going to do to their chances to be successful next year because I think it really really affects what this roster is going to be able to do bobby would you like to read Aussie D’s 499 super chat i got a lot of problems with you Aussie we’re going to lay them out right now aussie D jumps in with the 499 super chat appreciate you uh Bobby I’m a man i’m 40 and then proceeds to take a scoop from a kid-sized Frosty first off it’s not kids size those are large frosties all right and I’m able to eat all of them cuz I’m a big strong growing man all right um also is there a scenario where Kid leaves and triggers a rebuild because that would be a question more for the insiders i would be of the opinion that if he leaves everything is going to just kind of proceed as normal um if there is any sort of rebuild I I don’t think it would happen until either next year or a few years down the line personally but that’s just me speaking out of uh speaking out of my my my rear end quote via coast to coast Brazil the finals are different i hope to be back soon with the Bucks end quote it’s a weird thing for Kyrie to say it’s not or actually it would be but it’s that’s not who said it uh Giannis Attento uh provided that quote uh when discussing his potential future and discussing the NBA finals um did Giannis gentleman just put to bed the idea that he wants to be traded from Milwaukee in your humble opinions with that statement no would you care to expound on that i just think it was a interview and he answered it it was a question and he answered it do you still feel like Giannis could be traded this summer sure yeah absolutely okay KO any hot thoughts on that particular statement it’s very uh carefully interestingly worded very politically correct statement uh from Giannis uh we’ll see with it it It seems seems like he’s once again balancing the Oh boy what if I got traded but I’m not going to be the one who asked for it uh as Damen Lillard has learned means that you might just stay a few years in limbo uh yeah my hot take on that is that I think the Bucks should make that decision for Giannis and move him um in their own interests versus Giannis waiting to ask uh or them waiting for Giannis to ask out johnny Keane listening in Ireland oh let’s go appreciate you listening in Ireland shout out to Johnny Keane um here’s something that is kind of funny uh you’re going to see this a lot when it comes to the NBA offseason players and their odds to go to a different team in particularly uh this comes from Belvado official the Warriors are the favorites to land Lori Markin in a potential trade the Golden State Warriors are the Golden State Warriors no no no no no no no don’t listen do not do No these are just odds no no no no no no we are not doing the odds makers know nothing about trades i I do not want to hear what the odds makers have to say bust out the flamethrower no I don’t i was not expecting this i was not expecting this this is the most worked up I think you’ve ever been on the show you’re fired up right now do Do you think they know i don’t know do you think they’ve talked to anyone who knows they’re reading the tweets and then just like “Okay hey minus 200.” No no no we’re not doing that if anything is ever minus 200 run away from that this is not betting advice i’m not even sure I know what that means but like we’re not we’re not we’re not doing that well just for the interest of the conversation fine do you want to know who’s plus 450 for those odds to acquire Lorie Markin lowry who tanner that’s right the Dallas Mavericks are plus 450 yeah you know the Mavs have shown lots of lots of whispered interest in another sevenfooter yes that that that’s the plan it would be fun though would you would it be fun for learn marketing on the scene like starting point guard Naji two guard Cooper flag small forward Lowry power forward Anthony Davis center Derek Lively don’t ask me how they get Lowry i don’t know what that means i don’t know how much he makes or anything that’s a big big big big awesome you could play like a like a you guys 39 guards you want them now you’re talking about Lowry Markin and how he cover the whole court yeah exactly be awesome yeah uh Miamiy’s at plus 250 spurs are at plus 650 uh just in case you were wondering Mark Stein um Kyle Purdue with the I believe that uh is that Mexican pesos is that pesos perhaps maybe sure think so i don’t know but thank you well thank you Kyle uh if JC Kid does leave I would welcome it to be honest uh we’ve had our gripes with him and I appreciate him for what he’s done what he does well lehan Sweeney at the helm with Cooper Flag being the two-way generational player he is equals boom it is unclear normally whenever coach whenever a head coach leaves usually assistants will either go with him or uh they scatter around the league cuz the head coach does put the staff together in most cases so unless one of the assistants was promoted it is very likely that all of the assistants would be gone um but that is it’s certainly it’s a possibility i mean Sweeny’s been in interviews every summer for years now he interviewed for the Phoenix Suns job and as our Mark Stein reported uh recently interviewed for a Spurs assist no no no no no spurs are interested excuse me interested spurs are interested in stealing Sean Sweeney away there has been There has been no Do they have any second round picks they have some firsts and seconds all right let’s talk what are we waiting for and everyone everyone is just tradable compensation to you you’ve changed i thought you you I thought you were the most empathetic of of the four of us i personally am just ready to fast forward to the the guy who I sat with and lost his mind because the Mavs acquired the draft rights to Olivier Max’s process got a pick he turned into a pick i mean you tried to sneak out of the office yesterday to go to the Omax youth camp appearance i know i had to send Abby in in my place she was able to get some content for us mhm uh let’s go back to Johnny King who comes in with another uh two euros let’s go johnny King uh in Ireland Mark so slightly biased Luca Euro fan don’t know you don’t have to be in Europe to be a biased Luca fan we got We got We got many of them in the 2147 in the office oh that’s going to do it for us here on the DL lively show lively show sounds Derrick Live derek Lively show that’s right can we trade for Embiid that is It’s He makes a lot it It is possible for them to put together an offer it is possible do we just want the all- injured squad let’s see what the betting houses say tomorrow about Embiid to the M well after this show I’m going to bring those to you they might increase or decrease based on what we say right now we are news makers here you know we’re conversation shapers uh we appreciate our guy Tanner putting up with us every single day may I don’t know how he does it and I I don’t either i wouldn’t do it if I was paid honestly if it’s not it ain’t charity appreciate you Tanner thanks good lunchtime show everybody that’s our national NBA insider Mark Stein you can always dial up the Ste at the Skyline that is our Mavericks analyst Bobby Curl that is our Mavericks be writer Tim Ko i’m your host Kevin Gray we are DLLS Mavs we’ll talk to you tomorrow at 12 p.m right here on DLLS Sports y’all enjoy the rest of your day mr crazy thank you i will try it’s not raining here yet [Music] [Applause] we all sitting like the mayor

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This saga feels like it will never end. Will Jason Kidd leave the Dallas Mavericks to coach the New York Knicks, or will he stay in Dallas as head coach of the Mavs? We might never know. The DLLS Mavs crew dives into the latest updates and bemoans our society’s 24-hour news cycle. Plus they identify some clever, under-the-radar moves the Mavs could make this summer to put them in a position to compete next season.

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00:00 Intro
02:51 Why haven’t the Mavs shut down the Jason Kidd Knicks rumors?
17:46 Is Kidd using this as leverage?
33:51 Do you think Kidd wants the job?
38:21 Under the radar summer moves we like
48:51 Sueprchat time!
53:06 Does Giannis’ quote on the Bucks ACTUALLY mean anything?
54:41 Stein gets FIRED UP about offseason betting odds
56:42 More superchats!

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