Miami Heat: It’s time to go young | Five on the Floor

Miami Heat: It’s time to go young | Five on the Floor

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welcome to Five on the Floor a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnick Greg Sander Alex Toledo Brady Hawk and others from the Five Reason Sports Network also make sure to subscribe to Off the Floor for the most heat anywhere [Music] you got to do it Greg pronounce the last name
yakonis i got this all day
okay i have uh it was funny we were talking in the press room after he was drafted and I understand as a former writer who used to have to be on deadline what Ira and Anthony will be dealing with uh it took me forever to learn how to spell Dwayne it kept uh autocorrecting me among others kell
now my phone autocorrects it the the way that
the wrong way
yeah yeah exactly i mean you you know you know you’re big when you literally change the way a first name is spelled by everybody so yes uh the Dwayne one was a challenge there have been other challenges over the years i still can’t figure out where to put the apostrophe for where in his first name i do it wrong all the time it’s like after the e after Okay um so Ira was saying when they drafted Yakonis there you go
when they drafted him that uh he’s just got the F5 key on his keyboard so it just that’s it just put it in that’s probably the best way to do it
but he will be announced today uh you may be listening to this afterwards uh we have Brady and Alex both there so they’ll we’ll have another podcast on that uh introduction
i’ll be reacting on Discord too
yes as you check out off the floor and he’s already chosen the number 25 worn by uh the great Anthony Carter former Heat player and assistant Kendrick Nun
and Orlando Robinson is there anybody else am I missing any hold on
25s gosh and you and I are the ones that go through this craziness i actually can’t remember another number 25 um maybe as we do this show historical numbers 25 let’s see um basketball reference keeps all this so uh so none Orlando Robinson Anthony Carter all right there are eight players actually who’ve worn the number 25 i should have made this a a uh a trivia question uh it’s not a great history uh the first was this is before even your time remember Wil Milt Wagner played at uh
I do
Louisville
that was the year Wagner actually 91 I’m
91 and Dean Desan Wagner is kind of a sad story uh was supposed to be a really great player if you follow that one jeff Malone at the end of his career which was a very good career for Washington not a great year for Miami anthony Carter should have been retired in the Raptors 2000 to 2003 one of my favorites he also uh tossed the ball over the backboard if you recall that um and went in
uh Wayne Simeon first round draft pick from Kansas now a preacher eric Dampier that was one I should have remembered in retrospect yeah Damp’s career here wasn’t that memorable but yes no no just now that now that I can picture him with the headband and the 25 it makes a lot more sense i’m just surprised it didn’t come to me sooner
yeah it’s funny because they they tried to get him sooner there’s another guys they circle back to but by the time they got him he was not very good um that well they had all those other guys Tor Z uh Joel all those bigs jordan Mickey brief stint in 18 kendrick Nun now dominating overseas and Orlando Robinson uh had high hopes for him very intelligent gentleman but just didn’t have a lot of upside anyway so Yakonis is going to be number 25 we’ll see how he wears it has a chance to be the best 25 in Heat history actually there’s not a lot of competition there other than AC and we are going to talk about him in the context of the team here now I already did an episode with Brady about how he fits with other players but I want to talk philosophy in this episode so that’s the floor plan and this is where I’m at with it all right this league is parody inflicted now uh with the exception the team that won just won the championship which looks like it’s primed for a very long run with its draft picks its youth and all that
but they got pushed to seven so I mean also they did get pushed to seven and they got pushed to seven by a team that lost its most pivotal player in the seventh game and so you can make an argument that other teams can make a run if they can create the right style
and the right chemistry for their team which is what Indiana and Rick Carile did with that roster and Kevin Pritchard putting it together so I’m going to make the case here that there’s been no better time other than maybe 2003 for the Heat to push into youth and when I say push into it I mean really really really commit to it because their philosophy typically unless they’ve had and see it got thrown off by the big three Greg because LeBron and Bosch came here at 25 26 years old and Dwayne wasn’t 30 yet so that was a young in their prime team that also had three of the best talents in the entire world so you almost have to throw that out because that was a different because then it was okay get get vets you don’t want to have time to wait for Mikuel Gladness and Harris
it wasn’t a youth movement at all
youth movement like Norris was the only one and they traded up to get him and Norris made the rotation the second year obviously and then was with them for the the final two championships or for the two championships and then the final year but other than that you know it was okay you know we’re going to go get Rashard Lewis we’re going to get Ray Allen we’re going to get Shane Badier we’re going to get these kind of guys you mentioned I mean Dampier Touri uh Z okay these were the guys that they had the only guy they kept was Rio okay who they brought in who they brought in before in 2008 drafted him second round so you almost have to throw that out because it was that was okay you have those guys and you just you just you’re just going to supplement him with vets who know how to play understand their role even though they complained about it more behind the scenes than people really believed but James Jones you knew you could pull him off the bench and he’d give you three threes and then he’d disappear for a month like this
also not to interrupt you but to exemplify how much that was not like what we’re about to talk about today the Heat basically um when the big three uh were formed spent those four years kind of avoiding the draft like a plague to some degree so I mean it was not like a youth movement like let’s build and plug and play rookies they had traded all their draft picks to get that extra year um from uh Bosch and from LeBron
well Toronto and Cleveland and they they’ve talked about it that afterwards you know of course the rules changed after you can’t even sign the six-year deals anymore with the two-year out you know the four-year out but they’ve talked about it Greg that like you know in retrospect they could have fought harder to keep the picks but al particularly ones with Toronto but ultimately like all right I mean you’re getting Bosch and LeBron let’s just get the deal done right like just don’t don’t do anything to screw it up so yeah the draft in part they they didn’t have the assets to do it because they had they had traded them but also it wasn’t the type of team now this is different okay and their philosophy has typically been 555 sort of and I may characterize this a little bit incorrectly but this is kind of how I perceive it it’s five pre-prime players okay five players you’re developing some could be first round picks second round picks undrafteds sometimes the undrafted will fall more into the middle category because they’re a little older when the Heat have been able to like whether it was Duncan or Strus or or Haywood you know they’re a little bit older than than maybe a you know player just getting out of the draft okay so there there are there are typically this idea of like five pre-prime five guys in their prime somewhere in that what 26 to 29 25 to 30 range something along those lines and then you know five vets like just guys you know locker room guys your your UD’s your Kevin Loves that type of player that’s what they’ve I typically you know striven for and what I’m saying right now is no okay I’m saying no because I because here here’s my concern I I I just want to see I want to see the kids play and I want to see what they have together and then once you know that then you can go supplement to get the star the veteran pieces to add to it but what I don’t want to see this year and there’s no disrespect to any of them okay i don’t want to see a ton of Alec Burks minutes i don’t want to see you know Kevin Love minutes i Kevin’s doing a lot of great things behind the scenes but I I don’t want to see him progress stopping for others uh Rosier for sure you know and I mean that’s kind of where I’m at with it is this is if you’re gonna
Well right well Wiggins and Duncan and this is where it gets because typically typically Wiggins and Duncan and obviously Duncan’s accomplished a lot more in Miami right now but of course but they would be in that middle group you know kind of trending towards the end of that middle group like Wiggins and How What is Duncan 30 at this point uh I believe so i know Tyler is 20 tyler’s 25
and
so Tyler Tyler is in T Bam is in the middle group uh Duncan turned 31 okay so t so typically Duncan would be kind of on the tail end of that second group entering the third group right wiggins is 30 uh Bam is in the middle group you know clearly he’s in the middle group this is Bam’s prime okay whether or not there’s more there we’ll see but this is Bam’s Prime and Tyler is entering is Tyler has sort of aged out and progressed out
of that first group where he’s in a st he’s an all-star he’s in the middle group now okay i I don’t want to see the guys in that third group in that older group playing very much and I don’t even know that I want a lot of them on the roster like g give me give me K love and and give me maybe Burks as a shooter and that’s about it and and so I I just curious where you come down this because it pivots into how Spolster is going to use them and the organization’s philosophy to a make guys prove it which leads to the young guys not playing so much which sometimes I agree with okay I agreed with it with Yovic i agree with it to where wear to a certain point this season um but also it plays into this idea of you know we’re trying to win every game and I just am okay this year even with the depleted East with them winning in terms of learning how these guys play together and giving them the space to make mistakes do you agree i do in this uh unique circumstance because we’ve talked about picking a direction and um even like if the Jonathan Kaminga stuff comes to fruition at all i mean he’s 22 i’m looking at it now um so he would kind of fall in that not quite at your prime view too so like I it’s hard for us to really have this conversation and unpack it fully when we don’t know what the roster looks like but to your point there’s only two exceptions to the um that they like from my opinion there’s only two exceptions to the rule of let’s lean completely young and it kind of um it’s surrounds two things one sometimes it can be pretty difficult for a young team to stay organized and run competent sets and things like that so I think like you’re going to need some level of your point guards to have some uh experience which DaVon Mitchell has and we’ll see what um Casperis Yakonis can do but like to rely on a rookie point guard is is a big ask so I think like we’ll need to and if DaVon’s back obviously that that will probably fill the hole but if Da’Von were to go elsewhere
I feel like to go into the season with with Casperis i I just want to call him Yak sometimes um I I think that that did they call him that overseas
yeah I don’t know if it’s Yak or I I I or Jack i don’t know how they pronounced it but in Barcelona I guess it was Yak the I mean you could go I kind of feel like he’s going to get the nickname ghost because he’s kind of gotten the nickname Casper but that’s my concern is that Spolster is going to make him a ghost so I don’t really want to I don’t want to really you know say that into existence
so point guard if DaVon were to not be back I don’t think you can just go completely young with that particular position um I hate to put a position on it but like your primary organizer and facilitator and here’s the other one Ethan you need in order for these young guys to get the opportunity to maximize themselves get the opportunity to uh like grow this league you need shooting around them so this that’s the other part where if you need to insert a veteran into the lineup at the expense of maybe some of the young minutes because you want to space the floor correctly particularly if you were in a scenario where it was where Adabio and Kaminga as your front court again we’re speculating if that were to happen and they do go young
you would have to just consider that occasionally you may need to lean into your vets for shooting prowess particularly on the road and then just making sure that you have decision makers that are handling the ball that are not going to and this is something that Casper has had some issues with at Illinois with the turnovers it’s like you need to so those are the two things and I know I’m kind of nitpicking that I think that you’ll have to think through how you balance having some experience lead those attributes versus just having the younger players out there but I’m I’m fully on board with what you’re saying and I think that there’s a way of doing it where you remain competitive you’re not trying to lose at all and you try to win every game but just by virtue of playing younger to your point if they you if you drop a few more here or there listen they were blowing leads with a bunch of vets on the court last year so like if we’re going to blow leads and go through that song and dance let’s do it with the young players let’s let them get their feet wet get as much experience as possible and frankly Spo will probably still coach him to 36 or 37 wins which is where they were last year so to your point there’s really no it’s not like a situation um where had you acquired Durant you’d be on this timeline of like hey we got two years to make the most of this then I would say okay maybe some of these young guys you can’t have the patience to your point if that’s not gonna happen and it doesn’t appear that another like veteran star is going to be sent to Miami there’s I think the fans honestly would really embrace the idea of a fun young faster team um and it would just kind of almost be a breath of fresh air to a lot of the fans to see maybe even a different style of basketball even if occasionally you gave up a few more points maybe lost a few close games things like that because they’ve been experiencing that the last three years anyway
i mean you’re basically talking about 2003 i mean and 2003 for a lot of people 42 and 40 losing in the second round i don’t know that Miami would get that far this time but that was
that season sucked until March people forget that yes I’m putting that aside and I covered a lot of that season look I was I was in Philadelphia for the season opener and uh Iverson against Wade it’s amazing how things came around wearing the same number and then you know you have Allen introducing him in the Hall of Fame which is just you know just crazy how all that turned but I remember Stan coming out of the locker room that day and to looking totally frazzled his first game that he ever coached and that week a column was written by some national writers I can’t remember who it was but saying this might be the worst team in NBA history um and they went from 0 and7 to 42 and 40 and got to the second round but yes people only remember about February or March forward but they remember that season that season ended up being a lot of fun
now do you have a Dwayne on this roster you don’t have a Dwayne on this i mean you didn’t I mean they knew they had something special okay for sure but again Dwayne didn’t it didn’t sound like he won rookie of the year he he made incredible plays in the playoffs again I remember all of them okay in the gamewinners and and everything else the runner in the lane uh you know Tony’s call and all that but the reality is he was a 16-point scorer turned the ball over a lot as a rookie he was really good he was really promising there was a lot of stuff there were like “Oh wow okay this kid is going to be great right?” but dunking on Germaine and all the rest of that but there but also you know there there are more young players on this team tyler’s already established as an all-star don’t send me hate mail i’m not saying he’s Dwayne but he’s already established as his Bam that that that team was bringing in Lamar who had kind of I don’t know I I would say disappointed to a certain degree with the Clippers which was one of the reasons he was available and you know you had Eddie and you had Brian but you know there no and UD was a rookie you know an undrafted rookie so that’s why and Malik Allen and Ray for Alolston who they brought in who had played for like 17 so this idea again that they were better equipped to make a run with a young team that year is not really true um and they have a lot of pieces this time we just don’t know how they fit and we don’t know what the upsides are and I kind of like to see it as opposed to you know seeing guys on the floor and I’ll get to your shooting point in a second um but get seeing guys on the floor who you know again are not going to be a big part of their future and are just keeping other guys from from making the mistakes they need to learn through their mistakes all right before we get to that though here’s a mistake sending money with anything but Cash App why because Cash App is the safest way to send money again you can use our code on the floor not only is it safe but you’ll also get 10 bucks that’s right send $5 to a friend after you use our code on the floor do it within 14 days okay time’s running out on this promotion by the way so get in there now use the code on the floor send $5 to a friend you get $10 dropped right into your account again like I said sending money with Cash App actually feels safe they look out for you if something seems sketchy they see you might be sending money to a potential scammer they’ll warn you make you think twice before you hit send so check it out for a limited time only new Cash App users can use our exclusive code all of us have Cash App here already so we can’t use this code only you can can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash cash no there is no catch download Cash App and sign up use our exclusive referral code on the floor in your profile send five bucks to a friend within 14 days you get $10 dropped into your account terms apply that’s money that’s Cash App you made an interesting point with the shooting um and I’m going to do an episode with Adele talking about some of these undrafteds that they’re going to take a look at in summer league because there are a couple guys who jump out they’re both front court players one’s more of a shooter one’s more of a traditional back to the basket big but the one thing that they they haven’t hit on since Max is a shooter and you know they had obviously Duncan I mean they found their their best shooter in franchise history this way they they they got they found Max but and and DaVon was a much better shooter than anticipated and by the way DaVon like you said he fits this entire timeline he’s 26 see Haywood’s 28 going to be 29 soon and that’s why again I’m saying like we think of him as a younger player but that’s only because he got such a late start right so
he should be part of the old the vet five if we’re going to do the 555 thing maybe we adjust the like age brackets a bit for this group and put him with them because I do think that there’s value in what he brings as a veteran defensively and even with some shooting frankly um that uh that I think he very much and also doesn’t need the ball so I think that like all of those are things that he can be a part of maybe a rotation with all these young guys uh but I think to your point and I didn’t mean to steal thunder here like uh Alec Burks is another guy that could potentially get some opportunities if they need the space and I also just want to remind everyone I don’t know how likely this is and we still don’t know if Duncan Robinson is going to exercise his early termination option he has until the 30th to do so
but let’s say he does um not exercise his early termination option so that would make him a member of the Heat uh up until July 8th when the Heat would have to make that decision on waving him and having only the partial guarantee this was something that I and we’ve mentioned it on other shows but I have to bring it back
they could resign him even if he were to be waved and so like if he’s already making 9.8 8 million from the Heat they could maybe offer him a one-year deal at a low low number and he already knows he’s getting 10 million from the Heat and that could be helpful for them to retain a shooter so I just think that that’s something that we could consider if there’s the chance and I don’t know that Duncan maybe necessarily wants to be back but they have the ability to bring him back if by chance shooting becomes scarce it’s interesting you said that because I don’t know either i I don’t know either he He didn’t talk at the on exit interview day i don’t want to make too much of that but I was a little surprised uh that he didn’t speak there he’s been around town but I’m not sure either but it is a good point for sure that that’s a possibility that they could do that and look I wouldn’t mind still having Duncan here um you know I think if you’re going to talk about him as one of the vets a vets who vet who can still contribute and can shoot that’s positive but you know again no disrespect to Kyle Anderson who did some good things for them last year and helps like sort of grease the wheels on the court with a lot of the things he does but I don’t want to see him in it of his I don’t want to see him playing ahead of Right like I I mean that that’s what I’m talking about here it’s not leaning
right that that that’s not where you know I I I have a problem with these players in particular but it has to be a philosophy going into the season that we’re going to do everything we can to put these guys in every position we can every situation we can so that we can find the group that we want to grow with and you know we obviously the Tyler extension is going to be hanging over their heads and all of that but I that’s where I’m going with this and and the shooting part yeah they need a shooter you’re right in this sense okay the offense is going to look awful playing a ton of young guys if they don’t at least have one shooter on the floor at all times besides time right like they they have to they have to have somebody
okay so I I get that part of it like finding a shooter but some of this other stuff and trying to recoup Val I don’t I don’t care how good Terry Rosier looks in training camp because I know there’s going to be a day there’s going to be a day I can predict it at FAU and Bokeh spoto’s gonna get up there and and then and people are gonna go everybody needs stories right tv cameras are going to be there you know Terry had a down year last year nobody’s rooting against Terry terry seems like a good guy okay so this isn’t about that
but it’s like there’s going to be a day out there and Spo’s going to say “Yeah well you know he heard a lot of things last year you know whatever okay he’s going to downplay the struggles last season it’s what he does he takes up for his players he’s going to talk about how hard Terry’s worked and how he’s doing all the right things and he’s putting in his time.” Yeah how professional he’s been under the circumstances there’s going to be a Terry Rosier day okay but there there can’t be a lot of Terry Rosier 25minute nights okay just to recoup value that that’s where I’m at with it like yeah okay you can you know you you can focus on the positives but we’ve seen this before they’re not going to get value out of him anyway the league knows at this stage and it is what it is it’s the last year of a contract of roughly $24 million okay and that’s that
to to that point i think as we’ve kind of wanted to point this episode then in the direction of philosophical team building roster construction kind of thinking obviously Terry’s number is too high for you to um wave and stretch and they may look to trade him but they may also uh in like just like with Lowry where it would have been better off for them to just let him expire than attach a pick to go get someone i don’t think they’re going to repeat that mistake but if somebody were to like have a point guard go down and you could send Terry away for maybe equal expiring money and someone thinks they can recoup to your point they need to be as open-minded as ever about making those types of moves and also another part of this is um restocking the developmental pipeline like that that from a philosophy perspective because
like I don’t know that we all feel like Josh Christopher Isaiah Stevens who didn’t get his qualifying offer
that tells you everything
sent out to him so he could go elsewhere but it also kind of shows where the Heat are at with him also Drew Smith like he’s coming back from an injury so like I don’t consider him part of like this youth pipeline that they’re developing per se so they also need to restock that because part of what’s worked for the Heat is not necessarily I mean it’s kind of cool that they’re starting to have like a bunch of first round draft pick players on the roster that we could talk about but I think you need to supplement that with knowing that you’ve got guys in your system that are also maybe like all you need is one of those guys to pop and it can change the complexion of how the roster is built so I I I’m going all the way from who Spo has in his top seven eight on a daily basis and it’s a long ass season so you may need a week of Alec Burks here or there or a week of Kyle Anderson here or there but also let’s restock the developmental pipeline and hopefully get uh you know a shooter a big and maybe like a good defensive wing that you feel good about as your two-way guys as well well that’s true now Drew is what is Drew 27 yet i think he he was on the older side for their developmental projects that’s what I was checking and of course you know now this is his second significant injury and look I I I’ve become a big Drew Smith supporter because of what
he Okay so he’s 27 so yeah I mean look I mean that’s not old but obviously he’s coming off two significant injuries now he was never a guy who relied heavily on foot speed anyway um so I I do think he can probably be a contributing player in the NBA still but we know what’s coming with that too like let’s say he comes back and Spo trusts him right they’re having point of attack defense problems and we don’t see Yakonis for three weeks because Drew is getting all those minutes
then that’s you know that that’s also problematic i think like I I’m not saying don’t give him a chance and I I I think Drew is gonna end up with a two-way
that’s that’s what I predict here i think they’ll bring him back on a two-way provided
that he’s healthy and then kind of see where he is with it
but you know I don’t I don’t want to see Look DaVon offers I think a little bit more um than Drew does even when Drew is healthy so right so and you’re talking about former first round pick i’d like to see both of them in the rotation at times and I I do think there’s a place for Drew again if he can get back to the level he was at last year but it can’t be you know always at the expense of okay Yakonis is committing some turnovers so we got to shove him for three weeks and you mentioned the developmental stuff we really didn’t see Kad Johnson much last year I thought we would see more of him and again
and he’s got a standard so to your point like there is no reason why he can’t get 15 minutes a night at least to see what you have there and let him get game action because they pounced on him the moment the draft ended and there’s a reason for that like and I chronic
not just pounced on him not just pounced on him but like you said they gave him a standard right so and he he has a talent that is not in abundance on this roster which is quick twitch athleticism which is not something they have a ton of
and you know you look at you know what he could potentially offer instead of and Again I like what Haywood provides but we kind of know Haywood has maximized himself great credit to him for becoming a passable NBA shooter considering where he was when he came to league he was the worst offensive player in the league by the metrics uh his first year in the NBA so was DaVon by the way in Sacramento in his own year so you’re talking about two guys who provided you know something offensively and that’s great but uh Kishad Johnson has that athletic talent that I think you okay you want to see a little bit more of that and and get those easy baskets and I’m thinking about him i’m thinking about where I’m thinking about Bam i’m thinking about Yakonis being out on the break maybe Hakez can find you know second life here in some way okay if he’s not pigeonholed in the corner um shooting threes which is not his skill set
let him try to help in the half court the way Jimmy did but just not obviously as often as Jimmy or to the extent that Jimmy did it but like kind of we we always compared his game to Jimmy and I think like there could be moments if they’re playing in the half court where this is the season that yeah you even lean into a player that I think some Heat fans have kind of written off as somebody that maybe uh like peaked in his rookie year i think that there’s a chance Hawz could could really help this team if he were to regain the form we saw in his rookie season
yeah and again I want to see these guys get the opportunity larson also Yovic ball in his hands uh just create create the lanes for these guys and don’t block them with players that we know are not going to be here in in two years that that’s that’s where I’m at with it all right uh Greg appreciate it we’ll have more episodes coming up yakonis is speaking in Miami in about 10 minutes as we’re finishing up this episode alex and Brady have coverage on off the floor so we hope you’re subscribed there i’ll probably grab Alex later today to do a podcast have a good one
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The Miami Heat have typically operated with a 5-5-5 philosophy in terms of player ages and where they are relative to their primes. Ethan Skolnick and Greg Sylvander speak about something different — and really leaning into a young roster.

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