Miami Heat TRADE Duncan Robinson | Targeting Damian Lillard Next?

Miami Heat TRADE Duncan Robinson | Targeting Damian Lillard Next?

A chaotic day two of free agency as the Bucks make major moves that might impact how Miami moves forward. Plus, the latest on Duncan Robinson. Is his Heat tenure at an end? We’ll break it down today’s episode of Locked on Heat. [Music] You are Locked on Heat, your daily Miami Heat podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every day. All right, welcome to Locked on Heat, your daily podcast on the Miami Heat, whether you’re tuning in on YouTube or on your favorite podcast app. Thanks for making Locked on Heat your first listen every day. I’m Wes Goldberg here with David Ramil. Both of us are credentialed Heat Media members who cover this team every day. For daily content on the Heat, click that subscribe button on YouTube. Make sure you are following us on your podcast app. Have a great show for you today. Duncan Robinson’s time in Miami appears to be coming to an end and we have some insight on the Heat’s direction going forward. But first, let’s start with a big day by the Milwaukee Bucks. Um, just a quick recap of what it is that they did and how it relates to Miami. Um, Milwaukee wave and stretched Damen Lillard’s remaining $113 million on his contract. So, they’re going to be on the hook for $22 millionish a year for Damen Lillard to not play on the team. That’s essentially what Milwaukee did. And they did it so that they could sign Miles Turner. Shocking move. They steal Turner from rival Indiana Pacers. I don’t know how I feel about the move from Milwaukee. I don’t think it’s a needle mover and I think it’s a very expensive thing for them to do. That kind of mortgages their future having to pay Damen Lillard $22 million a year for five years by the but by the time Giannis is 35 years old, they’re still going to be paying Damen Lillard $22 million a year to not be there. But uh what do you think about the move, David? Uh the move to add Turner makes a lot of sense after you lose Brook Lopez. I mean Turner pretty similar in in terms of his defensive possibilities and potential and he does have floor spacing abilities much like Lopez did in his tenure in Milwaukee. So it’s not a bad move. I uh just the idea of waving Lillard though, it doesn’t sit right with me. And I know that we heard reports about Giannis’s uh reaction to the move, but even around the league, I wonder how that will change perception. Like it didn’t seem to affect Miles Turner, I guess, because, you know, he was obviously a he was willing to join the Milwaukee Bucks, but something about waving a player of of Lillard’s reputation of his, you know, his accomplished career and everything else,
top 75 guy of all time, right?
Yeah. You’re you’re hurt. what happened with Milwaukee. Now, it just seems like I I don’t know. It’s It’s a move that that I don’t think anybody saw coming, at least from even from people in Milwaukee that cover the team. I I guess it helps them. I guess it helps them Milwaukee because again, play this year.
Does it move the needle for them though? I mean, they had they they they weren’t a contender last year with Damon Lillard and with Brook Lopez. Miles Turner is similar to Brook Lopez. Like you said, they lose Brook Lopez. He’s probably better than Brook Lopez.
Yeah. Yeah.
But you also now don’t have Damen Lillard. So I think net net you got worse and you weren’t very good last year in the first place. So look, I it was one, you know, it was one thing to say and try to sell Giannis on a gap year.
Sure.
But now I don’t even know that you can call it a gap year because the guy that was going to come back on the other side of the gap is not on your roster anymore,
right?
Uh so I don’t know, whatever. But for Miami’s purposes, Damen Lillard is the important part here. So, he gets waved and stretched. He’s going to be making $22 million a year for the next 5 years. He could theoretically sign a minimum contract, collect a fat paycheck no matter what because of what Milwaukee still owes him, and sign anywhere.
Yeah.
And as soon as this happened, it didn’t take very long for people to start connecting the dots. Well, Damian Lloyd wanted to be in Miami in the first place. place. He gets traded to Milwaukee. Miami did not get Damen Lillard. They might still have interest in Damen Lillard. We got reporting from um uh the Associated Press and from the Miami Herald that they are interested in potentially acquiring Damen Lillard and signing Damen Lillard. But what do you think? Do you think that the Heat should be interested in Damen Lillard at this point? Because this is not the same team that was interested in Damen Lillard before. I I get that, but I think he’s going to be the recovery from the injury will be a humbling experience for a player of Lillard’s caliber and there’s no guarantee that he comes back at full strength and I think even during his tenure in Milwaukee, he showed that he already he might have been taking a step back. He was still capable of greatness and I think that’s still something that’s missing from Miami’s roster. But Lillard had phenomenal performances, but I guess you could say that they were fewer and further between given his age and his limitations and things of that sort. So, I think he’s taking he’s going to be taking a step further back just because well, he’s older and he’s coming back from what could be a catastrophic injury. If he comes back at near full strength, he’s still going to be a fine player. And I think for Miami, you still want to add a player that caliber because, well, it just I can’t see how it would hurt. I know the argument could be that, oh, he’s taking a roster spot off from a younger player or he’s going to hinder a younger player’s development. We’re talking about somebody who might have to get used to coming off the bench at some point or at least having his minutes balanced between him and another younger player, maybe Kasparakas or something like that. So, I don’t know exactly how it would play out, but I think it helps to have somebody with Lillard’s reputation. Again, the the the presence, the leadership in the locker room. Uh I don’t think he got to establish that in Milwaukee because it was clearly Giannis’ team there. And while I think it’s still Bam’s team in Miami, I think he would be able to add a huge element that might be missing in the locker room. I I would be comfortable even signing him to a long-term deal for little money just because you can supervise his uh rehabilitation. You can make sure he’s around the facility. He can still have a voice in the locker room even as he continues to rehab from injury. And then eventually, it’s not a full guarantee that he missed the entirety of the season. he might be able to come back at some point and still be able to provide some kind of a spark uh probably likely off the bench, but still I I just don’t see any downside to adding a player of Lillard’s caliber. Like he is such a great player and with such a stellar reputation, incredible leader, accomplished veteran, why wouldn’t you want to add a player, especially at a position of need like point guard?
I hear you. Um Lillard’s old.
Oh, that’s the argument against Leonard. He’s old.
Yeah. And and look, if you do sign him, you’d sign him probably to a two-year deal where you you pay him this year at something close to the minimum where he rehabs uh uses Miami’s facilities, rehabs down here in Miami and does all these things and then he comes back next year and tries to and look, he was a very good player last season, right? Like don’t we we shouldn’t um dismiss that. 24 points per game, still a knockdown three-point shooter. His reputation around the league is unquestioned and all these things. if you could get him as your 15th guy on the roster and you just let him rehab for a year. And the reason why, by the way, Miami would sign him now as opposed to just wait until he’s healthy is so that somebody else does not sign him, right? You get you want him under your under contract, you get him under on your roster and then you get the benefits of Damian Lillard coming back, right? It’s an investment and that’s what it would be for any team that signs Damen Lillard if he was going to do it. Now, also worth noting that it was reported after Damen Lillard got waved here, he’s going to take some time and decide what he wants to do. You might not want to sign with a team. You might just want to say, you know what, I got my own guys. I’ll rehab on my own and when I’m ready to come back, I’ll look at the NBA and figure out where the best place is for me. Because that’s the other part about this. Damen Lillard wanted to be Miami when Miami was coming off of a 2023 Finals run and had Jimmy Butler in his prime. That is not this team anymore. I don’t know that this Damen Lillard coming off of an Achilles injury and a scary blood clot issue all in one season puts gets Miami into title contention again.
So absolutely
if you’re Damian Lillard, you kind of have your pick of wherever you want to go.
And if his if the one and the one thing he’s never done is win a championship and if he wants to say, you know what, I’m just going to go to Denver. I’m going to play off of Nicola Joic. I’m going to go to Minnesota and I’m going to play off of Anthony Edwards or I want to go to the Lakers and play off of Luca Donuch and LeBron, whatever. He’s got his choice hypothetically at least of wherever he it is that he wants to go. I don’t know that Miami is at the top of his list anymore.
No, I agree that I agree with that. I also just think the landscape of the league has changed so much and and something that I’ve talked about before, the parody is so leaguewide that I don’t know that that clear contender is there. you see some moves being made by Houston and obviously Oklahoma City is as deep as it’s going to get around the NBA and clearly a historically great team and yet I just don’t see any real team that’s head and shoulders above the rest of the competition and I don’t know that you can’t like you can choose to join a contender whatever parameters you want to use to define of what a contender could be but it just seems like there’s a lot of teams that could fit into that category and none of them is such a clear favorite and you you might be risking a chance at just being happy and content. Miami clearly not a contender. I’ll give him that much. I’ll give you that much because I think that’s a fair assessment. But I think he’d be happy here. I think he’d be happy in South Florida. I think he’d be happy playing alongside a guy like Bam Adabay who they obviously formed a fast friendship with. And I mean, what team could he join that is so clearly
elevated to the point where they’re a title contender
or that they’re up to him,
right? I mean, like you just said, the Heat aren’t even part of that club right now.
So, at least pick a team in the club and and hope for the best, right? Like, he probably thought he was going to win in Milwaukee and and didn’t, but he also didn’t pick Milwaukee. He just ended up there. So, um we’ll see what ends up happening there. But Damen Lillard, that situation worth monitoring. Duncan Robinson situation also worth monitoring. Is is his time in Miami coming to an end? We’ll talk about that next here on Lockdown Heat. Today’s episode is brought to you by Monarch Money. You ever wish managing your money felt easier? Well, you know what? With Monarch Money, it can. Whether you’re growing your savings or planning a big b big purchase, Monarch puts you in the driver’s seat. It’s like having your own personal CFO giving you full visibility and control over your finances. Monarch Money is more than a budgeting app. It’s a complete financial command center. You can track all of your accounts, investments, and spending in just one place. So, in addition to managing your money, you’re also building wealth. You know what? There’s lots of different things that you could be doing with your money. And monitoring exactly how you make expenses, how you use that money is a big part of it. And Monarch Money makes that so much easier. Especially if you’ve got goals that you want to reach this year, this is the way to do it. Monarch Money will help you take control of your finances. That’s right. using Monarch Money. Use the code locked on NBA at monarchmoney.com. You get 50% off your first year. That’s monarchoney.com. code lockdown NBA and you get half off your first year only at monarchmoney.com. We’ll be right back. [Music] Let’s talk about Duncan Robinson. So, full disclosure, we are recording this Tuesday at 5:30 p.m. Eastern time. Did I say Thursday? I meant Tuesday. I don’t know what I said. Um, all the days are mixing up, David. So, by the time people are hearing this, maybe this is already something happens on this front, but it does seem like the Heat are moving on from Duncan Robinson. Before we get into what this means for the roster, good move, bad move, what Miami gets back for Duncan Robinson, all these things. Your thoughts on Duncan Robinson’s time in Miami coming to an end because he was a big part of this team for a very long time. Goes down as the all-time leader in three-point shooting in Heat history. um was a played for two different title uh finals teams rather. Um an incredible story overall. Yeah, I um it’s hard to separate any kind of personal feeling about Duncan. Uh you know, the the veil of pretending to be uh you know, unbiased media kind of really goes out the window sometimes. And and Duncan just a I think you you share this feeling as well like just a joy to talk to like a person that really is really just a good person and just somebody that you you feel comfortable talking with and I think somebody who was part of you know Miami’s growth uh over the last few years like I don’t know that you have the success of the last few years of the Jimmy Butler iteration without Duncan providing the spark that he did. Um, and there were a lot of good moments that, you know, from his first year as a starter when Jimmy first joined the gene team in 2019. Like people forget he was there for Dwayne’s last year in 2018 19. So he’s been he’s been the kind of bridge in between these eras and yeah coming off the bench starting etc. Like he’s he’s played a role and I think he was a a historic shooting numbers historic like league historic shooting numbers as a member of the Heat. And I I think people tend to associate him with a contract and that it was a bad decision and one that the the front office probably should never have made. I just never saw it that way. I I I thought he was paid for the value that that I think he performed at.
Yeah. And I think having an issue with the contract is one thing and I do think it clouded people’s perception, fans perceptions of of Duncan Robinson. He was a very important player. He represented the Heat in in a worldclass way. Um, was it an overpay? Yes, it was an overpay. There’s no question. $20 million for Duncan Robinson to for him to lose his starting spot and then lose his spot in the rotation. I mean, that it’s it’s unfortunate to say it. It was an overpay, right? And I don’t think that’s what the heat envisioned when they handed him a contract worth $20 million a year. But at the same time, I I share your feelings as well. one of my favorite guys to talk to in the locker room and extremely insightful, generous with his time. We got a lot of insights that we shared with our fans on this podcast from talking to Duncan Robinson on and off the record, right? It was he was always great. Um, so it’s going to hurt to see him go,
but at the same time, it’s the right move. It’s the right move. Um, one other thing on Duncan Robinson though before we move on to the more like cold calculated part of this this discussion. He came to symbolize Miami’s development program, the worldass development program. He became the ultimate avatar of what success looks like. Not just for players on Miami. Max Stre when he first got here would talk about Duncan Robinson all the time. That’s my goal. And that happened for him, right? Not in Miami. He ended up getting a big contract from Cleveland, but he he followed in Duncan Robinson’s footsteps. You talk to people around the league, Duncan Robinson is a beacon of hope for undrafted players who don’t pop off the screen or don’t have the biggest stats in college or the best vertical leap or whatever it is. They look at somebody like Duncan Robinson and say, I can be a multi-year collegiate athlete, go undrafted, and work myself into a point where I’m making hund00 million.
Yeah. and that kind of is his legacy and it’s a pretty cool one to have. So, I I I think he’s an extremely important part of of the Heats history and I think he’s a very important part of modern NBA history in the way that these undrafted free agents look at him as a role model. Um, in terms of
Go ahead.
Yeah. No, I was going to say just in terms of the contract is what I’m thinking about right now like Miami could bring him back. I mean, that’s still a possibility, even it seems like it’s increasingly likely that he’ll be sent to Detroit as a signed trade partner, but I don’t understand necessarily the decision. Like, you’re giving up your best three-point shooter. And I know maybe his role is somewhat limited, although I think he still did provide a occasional spark over the course of last season. And I don’t see why you couldn’t have I don’t know what the deal would be, but I can’t imagine why Miami wouldn’t be interested in signing him to a multipleear deal unless they just want to keep financial flexibility and they don’t want to tie long-term money. That’s it. He’s 31 Well, he’s 31 years old and if you are going to move in a younger direction here, which we’re about to talk about,
well, 31year-old isn’t exactly young and he’s also a player who was consistently over the last couple years played off the floor in the playoffs. it just doesn’t really fit on Miami’s roster anymore given the other players that they have to play and uh that that it might just be that simple. That said, they they never ruled out bringing back Duncan Robinson until they did, right?
So, it wasn’t like, hey, we got to get away from this guy at all costs. I I just think that this move probably makes some sense. So, um, again, by the time people are hearing this, this might already be done, but it does sound like Detroit is the likely landing spot for Duncan Robinson. Trying to figure out what’s going to go on there. Is it something like Simone Fenteo coming back to Miami, $8.3 million expiring salary, maybe a second round pick or or a couple second round picks for Miami’s Troubles just to facilitate the signing trade. Detroit can’t sign him out, right? Detroit did just lose Tim Hardaway Jr. uh to the Denver Nuggets right before we started recording here, so that also happened. uh for the Pistons. So they’re and and they don’t have Malik Beasley. So they are looking to replace Malik Beasley and Tim Martway Jr. to a lesser extent with an elite three-point shooter. That is Duncan Robinson. He makes a lot of sense on the Pistons roster.
Um you get Feio back. I think Feeko is pretty good. I like him. 68 forward. Not as good of a shooter as Duncan Robinson. Um kind of up and down streaky as a three-point shooter in and out of Detroit’s rotation. but two years ago scored I think it was like 22 points and 24 points in two separate games against the Miami Heat. So there is a random scrub heat killer vibe going on with Vonteo which we know the Heat like to acquire those guys historically but
they can either bring him onto the roster as a deep rotation guy or that’s a another expiring contract that they could flip either this summer or closer to the deadline too. So, if you do that, get a couple of draft picks back, it it’s worth the trouble uh in facilitating the Duncan Robinson signing trade if everybody’s agreed that it’s time to part ways. Teeo’s fine. I’m not even concerned about that necessarily, although I think it’s a step down just because of the comfort level.
It is. Yeah, he’s he’s not he’s not um can he raise his game a little bit in Miami? Maybe. I I don’t know. Um, that’ll be that’ll be interesting to watch whether or not he he could develop another level to what we saw in Detroit. Um, I just there has to be more. There has to be more. This can’t be the extent of it. You haven’t addressed
the problems on a roster that was clearly faulty. And if anything, losing a player like Duncan Rson to acquire a player like Fentio, clearly a step down. There’s got to be something else. I I don’t know what it could be.
It allows them to do that, right? like you can expand the trade and Duncan Robinson was a sign and trade guy. That player is hard to move because it puts the other team it hard caps the other team at the first apron. If you expand this trade beyond Fenteo who’s just an expiring salary, you can move that wherever you want,
right?
That does make those trades a little bit easier. If you just need, okay, we just need one more chunk. We need another $8 million to get this thing past the finish line. That can maybe help you do it, but you’re right, David. This can’t be it. Like, this can’t be the move. it can’t swapping Duncan Robinson for Feekio’s expiring expiring salary. That’s not enough. What would be enough? Especially if Miami is starting to pivot into more of a youth movement. We’ll talk about that next here on Lockdown Heat. So, David, based on what we’re seeing here, it looks like the Heat are leaning into their youth movement. You look at the roster, Duncan Robinson, 31 years old. probably on the way out here. It looks like um Bameabio 27, Tyler Herro 25. You’ve got a bunch of rookies or young players rather uh 23, 22, 21, 20, 19 years old um looking to get some playing time here. Do you think that the youth movement is is the right way to go right now? I think it’s the only way to go. Um
cuz the youth movement is the plan, but two weeks ago it was pursuing 36-year-old Kevin Durant. So I mean it’s the plan for now until that plan has to change and the plan could change if you wind up bringing back or adding rather Damian Lillard. So, I I think it’s the possibility in terms of we need to do something and kind of jettison certain players that might not be growing or developing and and we have the chance to kind of lean into a younger roster and give everybody opportunities and hope for hope that they continue to develop and that they can reach another level than what we’ve seen from them so far during their tenures aside from Yakosianis obviously. But I I I also don’t know that it’s the plan. I because again it’s it feels like we’re kind of resigned to doing this because whatever we tried before hasn’t worked. You know, they were going to keep Jimmy Butler until they couldn’t because Jimmy was like, “No, after this I’m out of here. They wanted to add Lillard. They wanted to add Kevin Durant. They wanted to go older.” So, I don’t know that it’s necessarily a plan so much as like, well, we kind of just weren’t able to get steps one through five done and now we kind of have to just move down to the next step or look to the next plan because we weren’t able to do what our what we prioritized in the first place. This team needs a superstar. Uh, they still haven’t gotten that superstar. They’ve got some nice role players. They’ve got some nice all-star level players in Bam and Tyler, although I think both of them clearly have some weaknesses in their game. And that being the case, what’s the process to getting there? Is is the youth movement? Is anybody currently on the roster, including their rookie, capable of reaching that star level? I I don’t know that I see it. I I think Yakush is going to be a fine player. I think he’s going to be a nice addition. I think if you can get a player like uh Kaminga on the roster, a guy who wants the rock and wants to be able to be the man who wants to be able to be that score. Um I think that could benefit from having him and Tyler as your go-to scores because this offense has been so
Well, that would be part of the youth movement, wouldn’t it? It’s swapping 30-year-old Andrew Wiggins for somebody like Kaminga. So, maybe that’s what it is. It’s you just keep taking chances on these young guys and just hope that one of them pops and maybe one doesn’t pop into a full-blown superstar but turns into a player that you could turn in that you could package in a trade down the line for a superstar.
Fair enough.
I the team obviously needs a superstar. That has to be the top priority. But if they can’t find that player, they also can’t just bring back the 36 win team. And it makes a little bit sense to go younger and try to create some assets that you otherwise didn’t have. So maybe this is all, you know, step one in a multi-step process. I don’t know. We’ll see what happens. I I just don’t know who the superstar is that’s out there right now. And so it’s sort of a just a what else are we going to do? I guess we got to go young.
Well, I mean, I don’t think we talked about this when we were discussing the Milwaukee moves and stuff like that. But, you know, there are some reportish type news that Giannis Edoopa might be upset with the roster moves that Milwaukee’s made and waving Damen Lillard.
Uh, to that point, again, I don’t even know that’s worth really discussing other than to say at Dempo might be upset. Um, and if
even if he’s not upset, there’s still why not think that he wouldn’t ask for a trade at some point? That team’s not going to be very good. So,
does he does he see himself as the missing piece with whatever Miami, you know, if Miami were have to give up whatever it is that they do in order to acquire Ado, would he see Miami as the kind of destination that could make other moves and can build a roster that help him achieve title contention?
Maybe. That’s not up to Miami to figure out. All Miami could figure out is if Giannis comes to the conclusion where he doesn’t want to play in Milwaukee anymore, how do we best position ourselves to go get him? And the answer isn’t ressigning Duncan Robinson. That’s fair.
The answer is getting younger and offering Milwaukee something that they would like to have, which ostensibly would be getting young. Right.
So you see the youth movement as a bigger part of a bigger picture that still sets them up.
The only logical path. Yeah. Exactly. It might be two birds, one stone type of deal where it’s like, hey, let’s just get younger and maybe we just all grow together and we’re good. or we all grow together, we’re good, and then we trade a bunch of you to go get Giannis or whatever superstar.
I I will say that one thing feels like it’s missing from this off seasonason so far, and that’s you have to figure out what to do with Terry Rosier and maybe you just kind of resign yourself to that. And I don’t want to I don’t want to pick on Terry at all because again, just similar to what we were saying about Lillard and Duncan, like a guy like Rosier has been welcomed in that locker room, really positive person. uh it did provide a spark in terms of his personality and stuff like that. Unfortunately, it just never manifested there. And I I just see that as a glaring problem on the roster is that you have this player that just is not capable,
right,
of playing at a high level and and making a lot of money in these boots. So, I if you can find a taker for that salary, I think that would in some ways that would still probably make the offseason a little bit of a success or at least slightly more successful than what it’s been so far. And I think that has to be some kind of a priority. Although I don’t know how likely it is.
They they are looking right. They’re looking for Terry Rosier trades. They’re looking for Andrew Wiggins trades. One thing I’ll tell you, they’re not going to attach assets to Rosier to get off of them. They’re not desperate to get off of Rosier.
I’ve seen it reported a lot that their number one priority is trading Rosier. That might be true. I don’t know. I I I don’t know that I would frame it that way. They’re not going to attach assets to a guy who comes off the books after a season. They’re not going to do it. Not unless not unless they need that space for something else, which does not seem likely right now. So, um but I I do think that look, free agency clearly was not a thing that Miami engaged in very much. Uh so, it’s going to be trades in a way to shake up this roster. And I think you look at Terry Rosier’s expiring salary as something that could facilitate a trade. And I also think you look at Andrew Wiggins, you know, I think the Lakers are a team that could be interested in Wiggins still. I think there’s other teams that could be interested in Andrew Wiggins. Wiggins could be a key part of a potential Jonathan Kaminga signing trade as well. So I I think if you’re Miami when the dust settles a little bit on free agency, you start looking around be like, “All right, what moved? What is now possible for us?” Because it didn’t seem like a whole lot was possible for us two days ago, but a lot of things have changed since then and maybe some other things shook loose. So we’ll see what happens. But that’ll do it for us today here on Locked on Heat. Thanks for making Lockdown on Heat your first listen today. For your second listen, check out the Locked On NBA podcast where there is no offseason. Doug, Matt, and Hayes keep you up to date on contract negotiations, rumors, and everything you need to be the most informed NBA fan. Find Locked on NBA on YouTube and wherever you listen to the podcast. Part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day.

HEAT’s Free Agency Frenzy: Lillard, Robinson, and a Youth Movement?

Wes Goldberg and David Ramil dissect the Milwaukee Bucks’ surprising moves, including waiving Damian Lillard and signing Myles Turner. They explore Miami’s potential interest in Lillard and debate the pros and cons of adding the veteran guard to the roster.

The duo also analyzes Duncan Robinson’s departure as Miami potentially pivots to a youth-focused strategy, and the hosts examine the challenges and opportunities this presents for the franchise’s future.

0:00 Intro: Bucks make moves, Duncan Robinson update
6:46 Pros and cons of Heat signing Damian Lillard
11:39 Duncan Robinson’s time with Heat comes to an end
20:47 Heat leaning into youth movement strategy

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