🚨EMERGENCY REACTION🚨 Desmond Bane Trade Reaction | The Hoop Collective

🚨EMERGENCY REACTION🚨 Desmond Bane Trade Reaction | The Hoop Collective

we had a trade on Sunday
a pretty damn big one
at least they agreed to it i don’t think they’ve announced it yet
can it be a blockbuster if there’s not an All-Star
i don’t think it’s a blockbuster
it’s at least a bust blockbuster trade when four unprotected picks in a swap are involved
it’s not a blockbuster trade
it’s a buster anyway um Desmond Bane traded to the Orlando Magic for Kavius Cowwell Pope Cole Anthony and four first round picks not really future picks because one of them is in this draft uh the Magic pick in this draft the most important You’re right plus a swap
most important pick
yes
and the pick where as I’ve talked to people in the league today they’ve been like whoa the crown jewel of the of the return to Memphis
is the either it’s the lesser so the the the higher pick higher or lower I always get that confused the pick that’s farther down the line
it’s the lower pick of Washington and Phoenix’s pick in what it is
there’s a decent chance that’s going to be a lottery pick it’s 95% likely to be the Suns pick because Washington’s pick is top eight protected
i mean
well but you’re also talking about jumping up too
i think there I think it’s I would say it’s less than 95% chance
95% chance okay
the Wizards pick there i don’t either
i didn’t make that number up the Wizards pick is top eight protected
okay
okay so likely you can just remove the Wizards the Wizards are the number five pick this year it’s not like they have to go that far
right so you just remove the Wizards from the equation is my point and then it’s 95% likely that the Suns finish
okay we don’t need to spend any time on this on this
the Grizzlies believe they traded for the Suns
some eight years of college math
all right may what if the Suns are the 12th pick and they jump up to four and the Wizards one like this year when a certain team jump up from 11 to the Wizards are five and their pick’s not involved in it because
whatever it is it’s a good valuable pick that they
then they would get the Wizards pick but that’s fine
no they wouldn’t it’s top eight protected you fart sniffer
okay
all right anyway we’ll talk I want to break this into two spots we’re going to talk about the Orlando side of it and then we’re going to talk about the Memphis side of it i think the Memphis side of it is more interesting from Orlando’s perspective many people in the league have scratched their head for a long time as to why the Magic who very badly needed shooting and very badly needed offense i was very impressed by that 12-year-old F-150 driving across the road there i’m very impressed
i believe that might have been a motorcycle but go on
that was a pickup truck
oh yeehaw
um anyway uh thank you hottie partner he just tapped his hat um Desmond Bane is exactly the type of player the Magic have needed they didn’t do anything at the trade deadline and I’m not expecting them to trade for a player like Desate the trade deadline but they didn’t do anything they had all their picks plus they had a Denver pick this year they have the 25th pick in the draft which belongs to Denver which is from it belongs to them from Denver and they had this future pick that they also traded they had so they had two extra first round picks expiring salary and they just didn’t do anything
right
and when they faded down the stretch and then were an easy out in the first round i think that that was not wellreceived and I think finally the Magic had to get off of the sideline and they went after a player who they didn’t have to give up now I know everyone’s going to freak out about the four picks and the swap let me just say two things and I’ll turn it over to Bontemps
by the way it is official it has been
official okay yes let me say two things one they weren’t just trading for Desmond Bane who has averaged 20 points and shot 41% over the last three years they were also trading away Kentavius Caldwell Pope who just had his lowest output season in like 10 years and had two years and 44 million on his contract i wouldn’t say that was a toxic contract but you certainly wasn’t a value contract so you’re offloading KCP that was that took some sort of cost and they’re also getting Desmond Bane who is a borderline all-star two-way wing player that is why it cost four first round picks you can debate about whether that price is right but just stop short of saying it was four first for Desmond Bay
yeah I would say I mean look I don’t really care about you know what the calculus is behind the trade right at the end of the day this trade
Well I do because people are going to say four first for Desmond Bane better be 12 first that’s why I don’t I mean I don’t care what people in the ether are saying the bottom line the bottom line is this trade is going to be viewed through one of two prisms it’s either going to be viewed like the Pascal Seakum trade or at the time
the Pacers traded for Pascal Seakum there were plenty of people who questioned whether the value made sense whether the fit made sense
they traded three first round picks for him
people were like “Ah the fit’s okay but like you know is this really worth it?” Or it’s going to be viewed like the Muel Bridges trade where they gave up essentially the same kind of package for another guy that hadn’t made an All-Star team that’s a a good two-way win and Pascal Seiakum was the trade that unlocked this Pacers team got them to the conference finals last year got them to the finals this year there’s zero people that would say anything other than that trade for a young team with a young star in Tyrese Hallebertton allowed them to level up and turn them into a true contender in the East if the Magic next year are in the conference finals or top two in the East and contending for a final spot next few years with this young team this trade will be viewed that way because this is a finishing piece trade you get Desmond Bane because you think with him Jaylen Suggs France Vagner and Paulo Beno you’re good enough to win in the East and get to the finals especially now that Boston’s out of the way if they don’t get there if they’re losing in the first round again if they’re losing in the second round if they do kind of top out this is going to be viewed like at least for now the male Bridges trade looks like which is the Knicks gave up almost all of their draft ammunition to get a nice player in male Bridges but one that while they did make the conference finals this year was not a deal that really puts them over the top and they still look like a team i mean they just fired their coach they have they have plenty of flaws still right that’s the only thing we can find out that’s a thing we can only find out in time but to me this trade happened not just because of the lack of action from Orlando which by the way this is the first time Orlando has actively acquired a player in a trade since Markel Folz in February of 2019 that’s how inactive
and I mean even that one has an asterisk on it they bought ridiculously low
right they they bought low on a former number one overall pick who had a shooting problem so like they have not Jeff Welman’s regime has typically been extraordinarily cautious with their assets they have now gone all in because clearly they view Desmond Bane as a perfect fit which I think in a lot of ways he can be and this goes back to the Jason Tatum injury the Celtics are not the dominant force in the East anymore and no disrespect to the Pacers who I I’m going to have them as the favorite to get out of the East going into next season deservedly so barring crazy changes at the top but teams around the East are going to look at it and say “We can do what Indiana did indiana is not an insurmountable force.” And clearly Orlando looks at this and says “We’ve got Palero we’ve got France Fagner we’ve got Jaylen Suggs this is our team we add Desmond Bane to it he’s under contract this is a move where to me Orlando should be a top three or four team in the East they should have homecourt advantage and they should be pushing to make the conference finals and finals.” Like you don’t make this trade if you don’t believe this puts you in that kind of position
yeah so listen there are people who believe Orlando overpaid for Desmond Bane that’s fine but this is a case of the Orlando Magic sensing an opportunity and seizing the the seizing the moment yep and getting a guy he is Bane will be a great fit in Orlando orlando desperately needs offensive creation and three-point shooting
and they gave up a lot of picks but they gave up none of what you would call their young core
none of their young core
no Fran Vagner no Jaylen Suggs obviously Pablo Ben Carroll is not getting traded no Anthony Black
no Anthony Black uh the Magic not only were dead last in three-point shooting last year but I according to Jackson Aello who stole this from Stats Williams had the worst three-point percentage in a season since the Lakers in 1516 desmond Bane is an elite
40% 41% career shooter an elite volume three-point shooter and he can he can shoot it catch and shoot that’s how he came in the league he developed into a guy who can shoot it off pick and roll he can shoot it off all kinds of movement and he’s you know he’s he might be they’ve got three I would say very good creators now they they don’t have that elite creator but they’ve got three very good ones now with Berrow Vagner and and uh and Bane Suggs is really a 3 and D uh point guard and you know I I think you might look and say hold on the the Magic went 41 and 41 and got bounced early and like they think they’re one splashy move away and and I would say don’t judge them on 41 and 41 obviously there was the uh they were just I mean Suggs missed most of the season
when Jaylen Suggs was on the court they were really good even when the other guys were hurt
20 and 15 when Suggs was on the floor and that was with Beno and and Fron both missing a lot of time again we might time might prove this to be an overpay but I love Orlando pouncing on the opportunity in the East and with their roster to add a guy who I think is going to be a great fit and I think he’s a great fit with their two best offensive players and with Suggs bane’s a good He’s a solid defensive player you he needs to have the second toughest assignment in the back court
one other thing I’ll say Bane had a slightly down season this year his scoring dipped shooting dipped not massively but he had slightly down season
i think like Jaw that system wasn’t great for Bane the system they shifted off of late in the season
fair enough yeah fair enough okay now let’s talk about Memphis memphis we’re fine in the West etc etc has gone to the wayside yeah they have been they have gone out
either earlier than they should have been or been sidelined by injuries what four straight years now and
finding the West won a playoff series
all I know is this
yep
when I was in Oklahoma City and the Thunder beat the Wolves in five games last round
nice catch
yep
the um moments
Chris Finch Wolves coach came in and he goes “I don’t know i don’t know about,” he’s talking about like how hard it is to get back to the conference finals it’s like “Yep
there’s going to be like 13 14 teams in the West who think they can win next year.” He’s like “It’s going to be really tough.” I started thinking about that a lot and I was looking at each team and I was looking at Memphis and I’m like
how
I wonder how Memphis is going to do that how is Memphis going to do going to go up and so Memphis makes a trade now look KCP they may have gotten they might have bought low on him
i mean they are buying low on we’ll see if he stays low but they’re buying low
they are on paper less talented today than they were yesterday
correct their season isn’t done but they are in an absolute arms race in the Western Conference and they have on paper gone down a little bit what does this mean
well number one Zack Kleimman in his exit interview right after they got swept as an eight seed by the Thunder um I I don’t remember the exact quote but essentially said “We can’t act like we’re close
like the results are what they are.” This is a trade by a general manager who looked at his team looked at his core and said I we’re not close to contending this is a and this is a a franchise reset type of deal it’s also a value proposition trade where wow four picks plus a swap that Suns pick being the crown jewel of the package that is great value
i wonder if Jeff Welman the I don’t know if he’s general manager or president whatever his title is i wonder if he heard I wonder if he heard Jeff he heard um um Climman
was that Kimman say that and went h
well they were I mean they
I should give him a call guy that I loved for years
they were aggressively they were aggressively interested in in Desmond Bane and and for all the reasons we just talked about he’s a perfect fit for the Magic and look we’ve talked a lot about it the Grizzlies have a lot of wing players they have Jaylen Wells who was a third and rookie of the year they’ve got Tig Jackson who’s a talented player who’s obviously a bit of a material fit we’ll see what he develops like they’ve got Vince Williams who barely played last year yeah now they have KCP who I think will look much better there not saying he’s going to be great for them but I think it’ll be better there playing in what it under Tomaso is going to be a fast-paced three-point shooting pace and space kind of system which is much different than the Magic who were just basically running into a wall on offense all the time and didn’t have anybody to set him up like Nicole Joic was setting him up in Denver john Mar’s not Nicole Joic but he’s going to get better open looks i suspect he will play better so so no go ahead
what what I will tell you is this this is a franchise reset for the Grizzlies it is not the first step of a rebuild
okay so let’s stop right there when this deal happened the reaction in the league is okay the Desmond Bane thing that’s a big big price they got for him
is this the start because this has reminiscence of trading Royce O’Neal ahead of trading go and and
why would they do that okay so very quickly the Grizzlies got it out there that’s not what this is
so I’m just going to tell you
but the Grizzlies still firmly view John Morant as the face of that franchise got it everything they’ve done over the last uh help me out on more like few months you know going back to the coaching change going back to uh the scrapping the system remember they brought uh
Noah Lar Ro
no ro they brought no Lar Ro in paid him a seven figure salary let him implement a very unconventional system that in some ways worked but it it it took away from Jarant jaw hated it jaw was not going to be happy jaw was not going to play in that system long term
noah Lar Ro is gone along with you know with Taylor Jenkins who the writing was on the wall for Taylor easo wants to play a pick and roll heavy system john Moran is still the he’s the son of the Grizzlies universe the only way that John Moran is getting moved is if he pounds on the door says “Get me out of here.” I don’t have any information saying that that’s a likely neither do I and this trade makes it even easier to get Jaylen Jiren Jackson Jr signed a renegotiation and extended big contract to have him in Memphis long term which the Grizzlies expect to do they offloaded salary in this deal and it opens it makes it there is it
they already had the ability to do it now they have even more ability to do it
all signs point toward Jiren Jackson Jr being able to get a contract extension this summer and therefore not being traded this is about let’s figure out how to best build a contender around their big two
that’s it
desmond Bane was the odd man out
that’s it john Moran is extension eligible this summer
we’ll see on that
okay
there’s got to be a two-way street there
and then and we agree that they’re probably farther away with this roster in
Well I mean I would say they’re taking a small step back
yes with the potential to be better in the future and look
they haven’t taken the step forward it’s a step back
well but again well again I mean you’re being very you’re being very demon about that i would say what it is is smart and a smart recognition of where the team is like I I think this trade makes a lot of sense for both teams we have talked for going on two years that like you said why isn’t Orlando doing something they need to upgrade this roster they need to get shooting on the team desmond Bane is a great fit he makes a lot of sense there as you said McMahon you covered that series you watched the way this Memphis season ended they fired Taylor Jenkins at the end of the year the the fit there was not great across the roster the team was not nearly good enough they get an absolute massive return for Desmond Bane and they have guys who can do I would say probably 60 to 70% of what Desmond Bane was doing they’re not as good as Desmond Bane but they but they can do some of it and they also have going forward especially in this pick next year a very high level asset now and they have you know future draft picks future swaps they got a lot of stuff they can do to augment the roster going forward to try to have a higher ceiling the Magic with who will have Fron Vagner’s max contract and Jaylen Suggs’s big contract and Desmond Bane’s already max contract is he a max just under the Max
no he’s a max guy he’s he’s a fun Max guy no I thought it was just under but either way
the Magic are are now an apron team
which has been a long time since they haven’t had a high payroll the one thing I want to mention on Memphis this is certainly a step back for them offensively um what it does though Jayen Wells they see as a potentially premier type of 3 and D role player he’s going to be a starter on the wing alongside KCP they they they want size and length and defense uh around um around John Moran obviously
they went last year to try to get Dorian Finny Smith they were in on all those kind of guys last year
everything I I just want to say this everything that you guys are saying is a message from Memphis okay i hear skepticism from else from elsewhere again I’m not I the only way I could see anything happening with Jaw is if Jaw were to force it and I don’t have information saying I know I’m just saying that teams in the league watch this move and we’re like
this is an indication of going one way not the other that’s all I’m not saying that’s my opinion i’m saying I think it’s a reset not a rebuild and they’ve got big-time assets now like that Phoenix pick in particular has got significant value to where
as the Phoenix picks keep getting traded these Phoenix picks that have been traded out are starting to get traded elsewhere i feel like there’s going to be lots of people who are going to again it’s it’s a like I mean yes it’s a it’s an acknowledgement of a direction but it’s also like again it’s an acknowledgement of where they sit in the west like
if you if you said to every team in the league basically hey you can get four unprotected firsts including one that’s just outside the lottery in a good draft this year and one that’s got a very good chance of being at minimum a lottery pick probably a top 10 pick 10 unprotected first for Shay I’m not trading him well But that’s again no so that’s that’s a silly straw man thing to say because Shaos Alexander is not Desmond Bane and the Thunder are not the Grizzlies
can I ask a question
i know but it has to do with the value of players versus the players you actually have which is
No but it’s again if you’re Memphis why would you goes back to what Zach Lman said two months ago yes in 2020 the Thunder were focused on trading players for pick value because they were going one direction so when you’re an organization that trades a player for pick value you’re not
you’re going one direction that’s all I’m saying it It damn sure ain’t a win now move it’s the opposite it’s the opposite of their Marcus Smart thing
saying stuff over and over wait
oh no i got an important question
do you guys like each other
it’s still up in the air

Brian Windhorst is joined by ESPN’s Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to break down the significance of Desmond Bane being traded from Memphis to Orlando and what it signifies going forward for both teams. The crew debates if the Grizzlies are rebuilding or retooling their roster and if this move will elevate Orlando to contender status.

0:00 Magic Trade For Bane From Memphis
2:13 What Does This trade Mean For Orlando?
10:03 What Does This trade Mean For Grizzlies?

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