Philadelphia 76ers are on Quentin Grimes’ time as he hunts for a BIG CONTRACT – Locked On 76ers

Philadelphia 76ers are on Quentin Grimes’ time as he hunts for a BIG CONTRACT – Locked On 76ers

Welcome in to this edition of Locked On 76ers. Today we get into the Quinton Grimes contract negotiations. What it’s going to take to bring Grimes back to Philadelphia. And when that happens, what’s next? All that and more on this edition of Locked on 76ers. You are Locked On 76ers, your daily Philadelphia 76ers podcast, part of the Locked On Network. your team every day and welcome in once again to Locked on 76ers and we thank you for making Locked on 76ers your first listen every day part of the locked on podcast network your team every day. This episode in particular is brought to you by Monarch Money. Take control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use promo code locked on NBA at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. Keith Pompei has been covering the 76ers for near a decade and a half. I’ve been talking Philly sports with you near 20 years now. How about that? When we talk about the Philadelphia 76ers in the offseason, Keith, we talk a lot about Quinton Grimes, the the other deals done, the draft done. When it comes to Quinton Grimes, what seems to be the holdup? Is it is it all negotiations right now when it comes to Quinton Grimes when they get this deal done or are there other outside influences to this deal?
I think there’s I think it’s uh is a blend of both, right? I think there are negotiations, but there’s also other outside influences. And what I mean by outside influences is like, you know, the Sixers, they really don’t have to negotiate with him right now. What they have to do is like, and Daryl my in the past has been known to let another team set the market. And once they set the market, you come in. Allah, remember Paul Reed a couple years ago when everybody was like, “What are they doing? What are they doing?” And then like a month later, Danny Ames threw this deal at at Daryl my two days later they picked it up, right? But Paul Reed’s gone now. So I feel like it’s something similar that could happen with Quinton Grimes. Whereas the 76ers are like, “Okay, you say you want $25 million. Let’s see if there’s a team out there willing to give you that 25. And if there is a team willing to give you some money and if you feel as though that’s a good enough deal for you, okay, then we’ll sign it and you’ll become a you you’ll come back. But the problem is if Quinton wants that high number, you’re not going to sign a deal with a team until you get something that you’re comfortable to live with, knowing that you’re going to be stuck with that money. So that’s the hold up right now. A lot of teams are trying to get other players then, you know, they’re thinking about Quinton and he’ll come back. But that is the holdup. He has a total that he wants and he wants to get close to that, right? And if and because he knows as soon as he signs that, that’s what he’s going to be stuck with. So basically the outside influences is almost every other NBA team in theory where the Sixers have the right of first refusal kind of but Grime it’s up to Grimes to go get the biggest deal he could possibly get and then say Sixers all right you going to match this or not.
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You know, exactly. Cuz cuz if the Sixers if the Sixers don’t match it, the team that you may not want to go to, the team that you may not want to go to, but they give you that money, then you got to be comfortable to saying, “Okay, this is this is where I’m going to be. This is exactly where I’m going to be at.”
I Some people might call this a hometown discount. I kind of hate that phrase, but everybody has, you know, they prefer to be in a certain area. If it’s a if it’s if if it’s within a couple million, let’s put it like that. Does Quinton Grimes, you think, from what you understand, does he want to be in Philadelphia? Does he think this is a great place for him?
You know, from when I when I spoke to people close to him like months ago, um yeah, he he really loved Philadelphia. I mean, when you think about it, even before the team started tanking, like they looked at him to be a guy come in and get buckets and he had a role where he was attacking. and you look at it and you see how the 76ers are moving forward. You know, we talk about Paul being injured, we talk about um we talk about Joel Embiid not being the same guy that he was. So, this fits in perfectly for Quinton Grimes. And even with VJcom being uh, you know, a a great upand cominging player, but he’s still young, it’s set up for Quinton Grimes to be a starting two guard. So yeah, he he likes it because it’s let’s face it, this is the the team that gave him I guess the longest leash of any other team. He has more responsibilities than any other team he’s played for. So yes, he does like it and he does want to come back here. the the fascinating thing with him just over the last week when we’ve talked about the possibility of 25 million for Quinton Grimes. I went back to last year and one of my major takeaways was all right, Quinton Grimes, he could run a second unit. He could be a scorer on a second unit. This guy could be in a playoff rotation. That type of guy. In no way, shape, or form I expecting him 25 to 35 to 40 points like you saw at the end of last year. But now, now the money, Keith kind of changes everything in my mind. He wants to be here and he wants to be a starter. And as you mentioned, VJ Edgecomb is your rookie. He’s your third overall pick. You want to see what he could bring to the table. How does this all fit together when it comes to Quinton Grime, not just in terms of resigning him, but after that? What what’s what’s kind of the plan as far as the roster construction after he signs his deal, assuming with the 76ers when it comes to him and VJ Edgecom both being guards?
Yeah. You know what I I I think, you know, right now they’re they’re they’re probably is one of those things where they look at it like we’ll get them in here, we’ll make it work. I mean, they also the 76ers also look at this as, you know, this is probably going to be a good problem to have for us. And the reason being is they’re looking at, you know, the Oklahoma City Thunder. They’re looking at the uh they’re looking at the Indiana Pacers and they saw how they were those were two teams that were made that made it work. You know, typically you say you can’t have, you know, too many guards, you know, especially smaller guards, what they do have, but they look at it like, you know what, we can get this in here. We can make these guys work and it’s just going to make us a little bit deeper. You know what I mean? I think that, you know, you could look at it sometimes they feel like maybe they can go a three guard offense, right? When they go small ball, they can have these guys in there. Like to me, they’re just trying to get the best players on the floor possible and then just deal with it later. You know, the problem that they could have is in a couple years is when guys want to get paid. You know what I mean? And and then you’re like, “Oh, well, you gave Quinton 25. I I want to get this and I want to get that because, you know, all these guys talking about uh McCain, talking about um um Edgecomb, you know, all these guys are going to get paid like as you know, they’re going to get their second contract a year after each other. So, you know, the Sixers are going to have to unload a lot of money, but right now that’s not Daryl Mory’s problem. You know, he’s worrying about just trying to get the best players on the floor. And I think it’s vital for them right now to to at least try to make a stab at Quinton Grimes. So when you look at not just the VJ Edgecomb scenario there with how playing time works, we’ve talked a lot in the past about 1925 million, you know, that that wide range right there, $6 million difference. Either way, if he’s just throwing 25, his camp is just throwing 25 million out there saying, “Hey, maybe somebody will pay it.” Well, if the Sixers get anything close to that, if they do a deal anything close to that, that’s starter money. That’s something we’ve talked about before. I I didn’t look at Quinton Grimes ever as a guy that was going to come in here and be a starter with a healthy 76ers roster, especially if they went guard in the NBA draft with the third overall pick. And yet, Keith, here we are. So, can Sixers fans all but rely is the wrong word. Can Sixers fans all but expect Quinton Grimes to be a starter next season for the 76ers? Yeah, I mean I I I think you have to right now. But you you talk about starter money. Yeah, I think you have to. Now look at this.
So the average NBA salary across all project all positions last season was $1.9 million, right? That was the average starter salary. Now again, you got guys like Devin Booker who made 55, you know what I mean? But but we’re talking average. So, you know, he’s that that’s a that’s a tough S. I mean, that’s a lot of money, man. That’s a lot of money he wants, you know. So, to me, if you’re going to give him that money, yeah, you have to start them. I mean, I think you do. You know, sometimes you say, well, you know, it’s one of those things where, you know, you it’s all about position. It’s all about um competition and this and that, but from day one, if you got a guy making 25 million, I think you got to start. I mean, you know, that’s a lot of money for a sixman. A lot of money for a six-man.
Yes, it is. Yes, it is. We’ll break it down even further because I’ve had this thought, Keith, for a while. And we’re all talking about Quinton. So Gershon Yabisel is gone. We thought he’d be gone. He’s gone. Now Quinton Grimes seems to be the crown jewel of the off off season all of a sudden, not including a third overall pick in VJ Edgecom. So what’s next? We’ll get into that conversation when it comes to Sixers free agency and NBA free agency when we return. This is Locked on 76ers podcast. And now let me tell you about monarch money. Ever wish managing your money felt easier? Well, with Monarch Money, it can be. Whether you’re growing your savings, you’re planning a big purchase, Monarch Money puts you in the driver’s seat. It’s like having your own personal CFO, giving you full visibility and control over your finances. Monarch Money is more than just a budgeting app. Oh, yeah. Much more than that. It’s a complete financial command center. That’s the way you got to think about it. You can track all your accounts, your investments, and spending in one place. So, in addition to managing your money, you’re also building wealth. If you do have that big purchase coming up, maybe you’re looking at a new car, you got to save up money for that. Maybe you’re like me, you got two young kids, you’re already thinking about college, never too early to save for all that. Take control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use promo code locked on NBA. That’s promo code lockedNBA at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year at monarchmoney.com. Promo code locked on NBA for half off your first year with monarchmoney.com. Keith, I I didn’t expect Quinton Grimes, or maybe I didn’t think too far down the line. I didn’t expect Quinton Grimes and Gershon Yabisle to kind of define how I would feel about the 76ers off season. I was looking at the draft more so than anything. And I like VJ Edgecomb. I still want I still wanted Ace Bailey. Nothing’s changed in that regard. Uh we’ll talk more about him a little bit later. But when it comes to the 76ers offseason, I I feel like the the the bar is rather low when it comes to the expectations of how much this team can improve. And I guess we had to have to, you know, temporary expectations a little bit considering we already knew a lot of money was locked up with Yes. Tyresese Maxi and also Paul George and Joel Embiid. Yeah. And and that’s the that’s the thing, you know, I know in a lot of people like last year, you know, it was one of those things where the Sixers went out and they they gave PG that money, they gave Maxi that money, you know, they gave Joel Embiid and an extension. Um and then they brought in a couple other players. Now, some of those players aren’t here anymore like um KJ Martin for instance. Um Yabuselli for instance, right? So, you know, Reggie Jackson is gone. But what they did is that’s when they basically made all the major moves. They resigned Kelly Ubé. They resigned Andre Drummond, brought him back. So when you came into this season, you knew that they didn’t have a lot of money capwise. You know, they were actually close to uh they 150 million. The cap space is 154, but they were close to 150 million with just four players. You know what I mean? So, so when when you add that, it’s kind of sort of like you knew that it was going to be slow. But I think the thing, Mark, that really is getting people a little upset or frustrated, disappointed, is the fact that they’re seeing all these other moves happening other places. And it’s not all to do with um free agent signings. A lot of these moves are happening via trades. And unfortunately for the Sixers, you know, they really don’t have anybody that you can trade. You can trade Maxi, you can trade Jared McCain, but you don’t want to do that, right? So, with that being said, you’re looking at the Atlanta Hawks get better. The Milwaukee Bucks are are bringing in guys, you know, things like that, doing that thing with Dame, getting rid of Dame. So, people are getting a little frustrated because voila, the Sixers aren’t making any splashes. Their biggest splash is can they resign Quinton Grimes, a restricted free agent who teens might be scared to throw money at because they know the Sixers are going to match it. So, there’s crickets in Camden at the practice facility right now.
Crickets in Camden. That’s that should be your next headline for something. Uh, all right. So, that kind of puts it in perspective because the way I I’m approaching this is I think you go through the last couple of off seasons and it’s like, oh, what are the Sixers going to do with James Harden? Oh, James Harden just called Daryl my a liar. Oh, no. Then he gets traded. They’re like, okay, that that happened. And then this an offseason ago, Paul George gets signed by the Philipp 7. Like things are happening. Even Joel Embiid playing in the Olympics and knowing that Daryl my was a little disgruntled about it. At least that’s the kind of vibe he gave at his press conference at the end of the season two years ago now. And then this season, it’s like, oh my goodness, can they get Quinton Grimes? It it seems a little lackluster. And I like Quinton Grimes. Just seems like it’s it’s l lackluster compared to what we have seen in years past. Uh but as far as another move goes here, I’ve seen rumblings on social media, mostly rumors, and I’m going to ask you if there’s any truth to this. Uh Andre Drummond obviously picked up his option, his player option, so he’s going to be back with the 76ers. Have Have you heard anything about the Sixers potentially putting him or having him on the trade block?
You know, my right right about now that this I think the 76ers like they’ll come out and say they’re not right. But at this particular time, I haven’t heard it. Um, but at this particular time, you have to believe that that any if they can get rid of somebody, they’re going to do it, right? Anyone. And the reason, well, let’s think about it. You know, they’re trying to bring in Quinton Grimes, right? They want to squeeze that in. They did say that they’re committed to basically the second apron, right? Going above that. Like they’ll say that, you know, like, oh yeah, we’re this and that. They never came out publicly and said it, but they’re saying saying it behind the doors, right? and telling people like off the record. But at the same time, if if you know that if you can get rid of Andre Drummond or you can trade somebody else and get less money back, then all that’s going to do is help you with that second rate, the second apron, and you don’t have to have those restrictions and those luxury tax. So that’s part of the reason why a guy like Eric Gordon, who basically, you know, had a a $3.4 4 million option opts out and then he comes back for a $3.6 million. But actually the 76ers are only tied or only um getting a $2.3 million cap hit because what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to take more less money off the cap so they can so they can make a deal or they can bring in Quinton or other people. So yeah, it all makes sense. Like I haven’t heard it, but I’m not surprised because the Sixers at the trade deadline, they were shopping people, you know, at the draft. They were they were shopping. Although they’ll deny it and say, “No, it’s not true.” They were still shopping Paul George. So, with that being said, it’s like when you if you’re going to try to trade Paul George, yeah, it leads me to believe you’re probably going to try to at least see if there’s a filler out there for Andre Drummond. I think the only untouchables on his team right now, if there’s one is Tyrese Max, he’s the only one. And but you don’t want to get rid of um Jared McCain. So although I didn’t hear it, I believe it
because fair enough
they’re not untouchable.
Let’s go back to that for a second. So Paul George, there’s a scenario. If they’re willing to trade Paul George or will were willing to trade Paul George at the draft, then there’s a world possibly where he could get moved at the upcoming deadline if this season doesn’t go the way Daryl my Sixers want it to go.
Yeah. I mean, but again, it also depends on how how he looks, right? I mean, you know, right now people don’t want to trade for him because they saw how bad he looked last year. Right. Right. Now, my thing is, let’s just say if there’s a team willing to take him, maybe they might say, “Okay, we’re going into tank mode. We got two years before we’re going to get good. We can just get this guy to sit at the end of the bench or whatever.” Or, “Don’t even come in. Don’t even show up.” Like, you know, I mean, one of those that that that could be fine. But I I I feel like if he’s struggling and he doesn’t look good at all, people don’t want him because, you know, because especially if you’re a contending team because then all of a sudden you got to deal with that second apron and stuff. If you got other elite players, you know, and then if he does look good, if let’s say Paul George looks like Paul George from two seasons ago, then you may say, you know what, maybe we’re going to rethink about trading him. Maybe he VJ Edgecombone, Tyrese Maxi, maybe they can uh form a a trifecta. You you know what I’m saying? Maybe he can. So to me, that’s a tough one because if he if he gets better, if if if people are willing to trade for him because they feel like his production is improved, that’s when you got to think long and hard about getting rid of.
Yeah. The other thing though, kind of playing this out in my head, if the Sixers are that bad, then that means he ain’t playing. And if he is playing, he ain’t playing well. So, even more so of an unloadable contract, unfortunately. Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah. But if he is playing well, then odds are you’re probably
you’re probably in the hunt for, you know, not just making a play. If he’s playing well. Exactly. Yeah. If if he’s playing well, I mean, Yeah. If he’s playing well, like, you know, then you got to think long and hard. If that’s how if that’s the case, then you got to think long and hard like how long are we going to deal with Embiid? Is Embiid the problem? You know what I mean? That’s when that question arises. Is he the Embiid situation? Well, we talked about Paul George talking about another veteran. Is Joel Embiid just totally unloadable
at this point with that deal? It’s weird because he’s a he’s a former MVP, seventime allstar, when healthy. He’s the best big man in the league. Most skilled big man in the league.
Um I don’t want to say 100% unloadable, but I’m hovering towards 90. Like, yeah, because because the thing is
you got to be 100% sure with that contract, with that extension, right? You have to be that you he’s going to be okay because those are the deals that get you fired. You know what I mean? Like those are the deal that get you fired. And you especially when you look at what Oklahoma City, what the Indiana Pacers were able to do, you know, they how they had guys who made 40 or whatever, but but at the same but for the most part, the rest of them are making 10 and and this and that. So these teams were not in the luxury tax, but yet and still they were able to make it to the finals. Whereas you bring in Joel Embiid, that’s going to eat up a lot of your cap space. And then also, if you’re bringing in Joel Embiid, you want to pair him with another allstar type of player who’s possibly probably going to be another Max player. So, if you do that and it doesn’t work out, you’re fired. You got to be You got to be 100% safe and comfortable in that job to make that move. That’s something you say to the owner. You make the decision, not me. You make it.
That’s a wrap. That’s it. See you. Uh, all right. when we come back. I know uh we got to get into this because Justin Edwards is one of the people that did stand out to me last year in terms of guys that looked like he had a future in the NBA. Uh Sixers obviously rewarded him for that. So, we’ll get into that conversation. Also, his history, his history, excuse me, with VJ Edgecom. We’ll talk about that more when we return. This is Locked on 76ers podcast. Dustin Edwards last year averaged about 26 minutes per game. Keith uh was a what a two-way player. They converted him that with 10day try out two-way player then they signed him to a deal. It was a wonderful story for Justin Edwards obviously a local product. Justin Edwards though 26 minutes about 10 points per game showed I think a lot of promise last year for the Sixers. What do you think is the next step for Justin Edwards uh going into this upcoming season for the Sixers? You know, it that’s a great question because, you know, you look at it where you have, you know, Kelly Ubé right in there in the mix. I could see Justin Edwards, if Kelly Ubé wasn’t here, I could see him being penciled in as that starting small forward. I really could. Um, and and I think that that that could be something where the Sixers could deem Kelly Ubé expendable because of Justin Edwards, you know? I mean, well, here’s the thing. He fits in well like you know he can shoot the ball. He’s really good at the mid-range. Um he he could be like someone where um he can go and guard your best perimeter defender. I mean perimeter player. I mean if you remember what was he doing? They had him guarding Steph Curry. They had him guarding Kevin Durant. They had him guarding all these other guys. So when you look at him now, what he did is he didn’t shut everyone down, but he made the ones he didn’t shut down work extremely hard to get their shots. I mean, they would get points, but they were working hard to get those points. So to me, I look at him as a guy who, you know, he can come off the bench, of course, but at the same time, he’s a guy that that you look to to be part of your future, right? I mean, and I think that he’s going to be a good player for them. You know, he could be a solid 3 and D. you don’t really have to run plays for him. He’s an extremely selfless player. Like for him to be such, you know, a high ranking guy in high school, like number three in the country at one point towards the end, I don’t see an ego at all. Like he’s just a regular dude. Like, so I I think I mean, no, basically like some of these guys like I’m the shiit, I’m this, I’m that. He’s like, “Hey guys, how y’all doing?” He just chill. So to me, he’s like a selfless great person and and someone who I feel like he could get along playing with Maxi knowing he’s going to take most of the shots, knowing that VJ Edgecomb is going to get the highlight reels, you know, knowing that uh Quinton Grimes wants to hit these threes. what he’s gonna do is he’s gonna fit in, do what he can, get his buckets when he can, but at the same time, he’s going to sell out on the defensive end. So, to me, that’s what I think of him moving forward.
That that’s I I mean, that’s a that’s a high bar for him, and I I think it’s worthy of it, especially when you’re talking about the defensive aspect of his game. But, you said something in there that I want to go back to, and that was if Kelly Ubé wasn’t here, he could be in there as a starting small forward.
Mhm. This is an era where we talk about positionless basketball all the time. There’s guards, there’s forwards, there’s centers sort of. Uh, when it comes to Kelly Ubé being a starter, do you think he would be in there at that 34 spot as well as Paul George as a 34 in this in the in your starting five?
I do. I do. I mean, I I right now I think that with him and Paul, it’s kind of like interchangeable. Like, you know what I mean? Like we say, positionless basketball, it’s kind of like, okay, well, who’s who’s better guarding certain a certain player, right? So, if if if this is a certain night where, you know, there’s a really athletic wing or athletic four, then all of a sudden you’re going to say, “Okay, Kelly, you guard him. Paul, you get the other guy.” And vice versa. Although Paul is, you know, an exceptional defender defender, but he’s getting older, right? So, I feel like when you have those guys, it’s going to be extremely interchangeable. And yes, he can guard it. Like the the thing is they’re not neither one of them are ideal. A person that you want to say, “Okay, I want you to guard a four.” No, you don’t want that, right? You just don’t. But at the same time, when we’re talking about what they have available on the roster right now, they’re just going to have to. And I feel like it’s going to be sort of like how it was with Caleb Martin when they had the big three. They were basically interchangeable. You know what I mean? They were basically interchangeable. Gotcha. Uh all right. Now, I know you this is something that has fascinated a lot of people and you’re one of them. Uh VJ Edgecom and Justin Edwards faced off in high school together. There’s that uh viral dunk out there of VJ Edgecom dunking on Justin Edwards and all that. Uh when you look back to that game and you wrote something on it for inquir.com as well. When you look back on that game, what really stands out to you about these two meeting then and then getting reacquainted now with the 76ers? It’s funny though because when reacquainted to the 76ers, it’s weird. It’s like they’re kind of like inseparable doing shooting drills and at practice you see them when when the media comes in, you see them chucking it. I mean, not chucking, but chuckling, like laughing and having a pretty good time. Don’t get me wrong, they’re working hard, too. But you can see that there’s, you know, some respect from the two of them, right? Um, it’s funny though because, you know, we all hear about Justin Edwards, you know, being such in high school, you know, at one point he was ranked number one, one another point he was number two, he ended up being number three in his class. So, he was the headliner of that game that they played. Emoteep went up to New York. They were undefeated. They were coming off of um beating nationally ranked teams in in the city of Palms. And then all of a sudden he goes up against VJ Edgecomb and Edgecomb has this dunk against him and then everyone’s saying who is VJ Edgecom? Although he was ascending but I think that really solidified everything, right? And it’s kind of like yesterday, um, Edwards was like, “No, he didn’t dunk on me. No, he didn’t.” Everybody was laughing. But it’s crazy because Edwards had a heck of a game, too. He brought his team back. He did all this other stuff,
but he had 16 points and he was way overshadowed by Edgecomb at that point, who Edgecom had 24 points, six rebounds, four assists, and five blocks. Five. And for a guy who can’t shoot from the outside, he was three for four on threes. Now again, that’s not the equivalent, that’s not the distance of an NBA three-point shot, the high school one, but at the same time, that game really put him on the map to where, you know, he ended up being ranked as high as the third best player in his class, you know, um afterwards.
Wow. Uh Keith, uh we have one more show to do for this week for the holiday week leading up to the first summer league game. Uh and the next show Friday, tomorrow, we’re going to get into the uh 76ers roster construction for the summer league uh in Utah. We’ll also get into Ace Bailey versus VJ Edge. Right out of the gate, man, they know how to stack the summer schedule, don’t they, Keith? Viewership’s going to be off the charts, my friend. Uh, we’ll get into all that and more on the next show, but we thank you guys for watching and listening to Locked on 76ers. Make sure you guys like and subscribe to Locked On 76ers. We’ll be back with you guys tomorrow with another edition of Locked on 76ers, uh, summer league edition. We’ll see you guys then.

Keith and Marc weigh in on the Sixers biggest target of the offseason, getting a deal done with restricted free agent, Quentin Grimes and why this will take longer than MOST would like.

The show also zero’s in on what could be next for the Sixers in a limited offseason as well as what to expect from Justin Edwards in year two. Keith also l

Segment 1: When does the Grimes deal get done?

Segment 2: What’s NEXT after the Grimes saga ends with him in Phillies or elsewhere? Keith Sheds some light on the Possibility of Moving Paul George.

Segment 3: How big a step can Justin Edwards take in the summer and the upcoming NBA Season?

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