Jonathan Kuminga Trade RUMORS: Pelicans’ Tricky Path to Acquire Warriors’ Forward

Jonathan Kuminga Trade RUMORS: Pelicans’ Tricky Path to Acquire Warriors’ Forward

A signed trade for Jonathan Kaminga is a very Joe Dumar’s kind of move. I’ll tell you multiple ways the Pelicans could get a very tricky deal done. But does Kaminga actually fit? It’s locked on Pelicans. Let’s go. You are Locked On Pelicans. Your daily New Orleans Pelicans podcast. Part of the Locked On podcast network. your team every day. Welcome to another edition of Locked On Pelicans, the daily podcast covering your favorite team, the New Orleans Pelicans and NBA. Part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day, available wherever you get your podcast and available on YouTube. I’m your host, Pelicans insider, credential member of the media, JakeMadison, Nola Jake on Twitter, here with you on this Thursday. And this show almost entirely is going to be about Jonathan Kaminga. We’ll get into some coaching stuff a little bit later in the show here. But we’re going to dive into how the Pelicans could trade for Jonathan Kaminga cuz it’s really really tricky. And then does he even make sense? Does he fit? Why would the team do this? And I’ll tell you why it’s a very Joe Dumar’s kind of move that actually I think could be could be a good thing. We’ll talk a little Herb Jones in this as well. Then we’ll get into the coaching rumors around uh associate head coach James Bargo. Today’s episode of Lockdown Pelicans brought to you by Monarch Money. Take control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code locked onmbba at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. And of course, thank you for making Locked on Pelicans your first listen today and every day. We are here Monday through Friday, the number one Pelicans podcast covering everything you want to know about this Pelicans team. So, please subscribe wherever you get your podcast and join over 11,000 Pelicans fans on YouTube as well. Become an everyday air. That means you listen Monday through Friday to the Locked On Pelicans podcast. And don’t forget, you can watch us on the GF Coast Sports and Entertainment Network on your TV every weekday at 10:30 a.m. Let’s get into this one. There’s a lot of rumors out there right now linking the Pelicans with Golden State Warriors wing power forward Jonathan Kaminga in a sign and trade. We’re going to break down how that deal could happen, whether it’d be smart. Anyway, then we’ll talk the coaching stuff here. You know, this I think I’ve seen it’s reported by Mark Stein and Jake Fischer, two people I absolutely trust. I believe it’s been mentioned in the Athletic and other places as well. Now, I I do wonder just on the the first part of this of are those links coming from the Warriors? Are they coming from the Pelicans? Probably feel more about the Warriors. The Pelicans this cycle have really not been leaking almost anything. So, keep that in mind here. But a signing trade for Jonathan Kaminga is exceptionally tricky. Signing trades are a little bit tricky anyway for someone who’s going to get the raise that Jonathan Kaminga is going to more than 20% of his previous salary which was about a little over $7 million between 7 and $8 million this past year. It gets even harder. So before we even get into whether Kaminga fits and all that, what’s a trade got to look like? We are going to do a deep dive on some collective bargaining agreement things here. And I want you to get familiar with the phrase baseear compensation. When a player is getting a raise of more than I think 20% from what their previous salary is in a signing trade, baseear compensation, sing it with me, comes into play. And basically what that means, you know, for NBA trades, when two teams are over the salary cap, salaries more or less need to match or get within the range of matching to keep it simple. So, if you’re trading for a $30 million player, you needed to send out about $30 million, usually within plus minus 20% of that. In baseear compensation, the outgoing amount for the team that’s signing and trading someone, so in this case, it would be the Golden State Warriors. It’s 50% of the new salary or last year’s salary, right? Whichever is greater. So, in this case, it’s likely going to be 50% of the new salary. So, let’s say Jonathan Kaminga is being signed and traded to the New Orleans Pelicans on a four-year $100 million deal. And let’s just say it’s flat, 25 million a year, which I think is somewhat of a reasonable number for him. The outgoing salary for the Warriors is 12.5 million, whereas the outgoing salary for the Pelicans is 25 million. There’s a gulf there. That’s not easy to do, is it? That’s that’s kind of difficult. So with the 20% the Pelicans need to send out at least 20 million while the Warriors can only take back $15 million. That makes it complicated to say the least, right? Because now the salaries don’t actually match when normally they need to match. And this is even complicated more so, and we’ll touch on this in a second, but the fact that the Pelicans definitely want to stay under the luxury tax. We’re doing a whole lot of cap gymnastics here. So, if the Pelicans need to send out $20 million, the Warriors can only take back $15 million, right? Like, you couldn’t include Deontay Murray in this sort of thing. Not that they would anyway, but you get what I’m trying to say there. So, here’s a way that you could do this sort of trade. It could be structured, and we’re not getting into the merits of the players yet. I just want to use this for example purposes, right? It could be structured where you trade Herb Jones to the Warriors. That’s $14 million. The Warriors can only take back 15. So that’s in those parameters. And then moves Sadiq Bay to a third team. He makes a little over $6 million this year. That puts it above that $20 million minimum that the Pelicans need to send out. You need to find a third team. Draft picks and draft compensation likely need to be involved in that. But that’s a way that you could get it done. And that’s on Kaminga making 25 a year. Maybe because there’s not a huge market for Kaminga because there’s not a ton of cap space out there. It’s a sign and trade for $20 million. This would, let’s call it a three-year, $60 million deal. There’s a few things that I’ll get into the specifics with that in a second here. 20 million a year that on the that becomes 10 million outgoing for the Golden State Warriors, 20 million outgoing for the Pelicans. If you do the plus 20% minus 20% here, that’s 12 million outgoing or in outgoing for the Golden State Warriors and 16 outgoing for the New Orleans Pelicans. That would still be Herb Jones basically making $14 million per year, slightly under that going to the Warriors. And that would be well actually that creates kind of a bit more of a problem, right? Because the Golden State Warriors can only take back 12 million. So how do you make this work all of a sudden? Whereas the Pelicans need to send out 16. You know, that’s Herb Jones and Antonio Reeves in some capacity with this, right? You see how that gets really complicated all of a sudden with what the Warriors can take back versus what the Pelicans need to send out with their current contracts. There’s not really an easy way to cobble together for the Pelicans, you know, something like $16 million without including Herb Jones, but then the Warriors can’t take that back. So, they can’t even get Herb Jones in that sort of deal. Could you do Sadiq Bay, Jordan Hawkins, and Jose Alvarado? Yeah, you could do something like that and that could work. Um, I forget if Bay has even though that deal’s not done, you could expand that trade with the with the Wizards here. It gets really complicated really quickly is what I’m trying to say here. And then when you factor in that the Pelicans are in the luxury tax and if the goal is to get this deal done and stay below the luxury tax threshold, it gets even harder, right? You know, by my calculations, the Pens are $3.7 million below the tax. So if it’s that, you know, $20 million per year example and on the low end it’s 16 million outgoing for the Pelicans, you know, even if you do that and sign Kaminga for 20 million or per year, you’re you’re in the luxury tax by 300K. And then by the way, if you cross the luxury tax threshold in a sign and trade, it gets even harder to figure out because there are more restrictions. So all of that is to say this is doable but difficult and almost certainly involves in some capacity Herb Jones leaving. More on that in the in the next segment here. And then you want to complicate it even further, right? 20 million probably isn’t the amount that Jonathan Kaminga wants. I don’t think he has a robust market, right? But if that’s not what he wants, does this become feasible in the first place? And that’s because a sign in trade needs to have at least three guaranteed years with no options. So you can’t sign them to a one-year, you know, a three a two-year deal or a three-year deal with a player option at the end of it. You know, it can’t be two years and then a player option or one year in a player option. It needs to be three fully guaranteed years, then the fourth year could be a player option or team options, right? And also, I don’t think the Pelugans want to trade Herb Jones. So, that might make all of this might make it a non-starter in the first place. You know, you could definitely see Jonathan Kaminga just signing a plus one with a full mid-level exception. basically 14.1 million dollars to start and that’s just gonna be what it is then a player option you know and go back to Golden State on something like that or with another team too and that could be New Orleans and if it’s $14 million you know it need to be a three-year deal that gets really tricky to pull this sort of thing off. So this deal if it were to even be realistic or something the Pelicans would want to do is really tough really tough to try and figure out. But here’s another question that I’m going to pose to you and let’s talk about this coming up. Does this even make sense for the Pelicans? On one hand, no. On the other hand, this is one of the most Joe Dumar sightings that you could have. And I actually mean that in a positive way. I’ll explain why that is. That’s coming up here next in today’s episode of Locked On Pelicans. 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And don’t forget, watch us on the GF Coast Sports and Entertainment Network. For your second listen, Lockdown Saints with Ross Jackson. The training camp schedule is out. Tyler Shook signed his contract yet. Ross Jackson’s looking at all things black and gold. Part of the Lockdown podcast network, your team every day. Make him your second listen today. So, does Jonathan Kaminga make sense for the Pelicans? I’m going to pause for dramatic effect. So, there’s two answers to this. On one hand, absolutely not. On the other hand, he’s the most Joe Dumar’s type of signing. Look, this one’s tough. This one’s tough to figure out exactly who Jonathan Kaminga is as a player. He was very much miscast in Golden with the Golden State Warriors. You know, he’s clashed at times with their head coach, Steve Kerr. He’s also shown flashes of being a lead scorer in the NBA, but also gotten DMPS in playoff games. He doesn’t shoot threes very well. Doesn’t even shoot his free throws particularly well, except in the playoffs when he kind of does. And he’s a weird positional fit for New Orleans. He plays more power forward and at times small ball center. He’s not a big long-term small ball center. Power forward is occupied by Zion Williamson and kind of Derek Queen here and at times Trey Murphy. Where does Jonathan Kaminga fit in? If you potentially have Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, and Kaminga kind of all on the wing. you’re at a positional log jam where you already have a positional log jam and do we know exactly who Kaminga is? Do you want to commit 20 to 25 million? It’s probably going to be less for him, you know, though, you know, to a player that could be anything, right? Just because if he wasn’t on the Golden State Warriors, he would we would be looking at him entirely differently potentially just because it was an odd fit there and they truthfully didn’t develop him at all. So when I say all of that, right, it makes it seem like he’s a ter that’s a terrible move for the Pelicans to make. But honestly, that’s what makes him the perfect Joe Dumar’s kind of signing. The everydayers have heard me say this about Joe Dumar before. He is very opportunistic. When you look at how he built the 2004 Detroit Pistons that won the NBA title, defeated what seemed like a juggernaut in the Los Angeles Lakers, right? He did it through opportunistic means. You know, when you look at guys like Chanty Bilips and some of the other signings that he did, those were castoffs from teams that had tons of potential to be extremely good and just needed to land in the right situation. I mean, that screams Jonathan Kaminga, doesn’t it? He oozes potential. This dude is an athlete. gets downhill, attacks again, puts pressure on a defense as an advantage creator and not not regularly but can and that’s what Joe Dumar is looking for. So if you have a chance to get a guy that you feel could be a massive difference maker for the team in that capacity, you go and get him particularly if you can kind of get him on a cheaper contract because their market isn’t there right now. So, this represents that opportunistic move for Joe Dumars to make or the moves that he’s kind of made in the past. You want an aggressive team. An aggressive team is going to have Jordan Pool, Zion Williamson, and Jonathan Kaminga all on it alongside Trey Murphy. Trey Murphy is not going to be included in any capacity in a Jonathan Kaminga deal. If you have friends telling you that, if you have people from other teams doing that, just point them to this show right now. That’s not happening. I can tell you that’s not happening. Herb job’s probably not happening either for the record, but Kaminga with those guys that is a lot of offensive creation and a lot of scoring. And Kaminga has shown that he can kind of do it in the playoffs, too. While his, you know, regular season numbers at times aren’t particularly great. You look at him in the playoffs and the dude shooting 40% from three, shooting 71, it gets better, you know, per game from the free throw line in the playoffs. He stepped up there. when you look at him in the playoffs um against the Minnesota Timberwolves this year, right in the Western Conference semi-finals, second round of the playoffs, he was averaging 21 points per game on a Golden State Warriors team against a really good defense. Now, they lost that series 4-1, but he’s shown that he can kind of do it a little bit, I think, here. And, you know, that’s great. He shot 42% on about 20 attempts in that playoff series. He oozes potential, right? He can rebound a little bit. This is someone who, you know, can play, not point for you, but a little bit of point forward in a sense. You know, some of the advanced numbers look particularly good for him for a wing player. He’s a decent enough rebounder. He can assist and move the ball. His usage rate is somewhat high. That makes me worry about fit. Defensively, look, he’s not an elite defender. He’s not a Herb Jones level defender, but maybe in the right system, right team, he could be. you know, if this is someone who wants to kind of be the number one guy, he’s shown flashes of being able to do just that. And so, if you can get those type of guys, m maybe you should. And that’s kind of why I think it could be a very Joe Dumar’s kind of move. Even if I don’t think the leaks are actually coming from the team, I think this is something that kind of fits the mold of what Joe Dumar has done before. He sees these opportunities and he jumps on them. Being aggressive with these kind of guys is definitely in his MO. And for a guy that is looking to have players that can attack a defense in multiple ways, not just shooting, whether that’s good or bad, Kaminga really fits into that. But look, the team does need shooting. Kaminga is not what I would call a three-point threat. Is not going to command a defense’s attention on that capacity. That worries me a little bit, right? The fit of Zion Pool and Kaminga is a little wonky. there’s not going to be much space. Now, all those guys don’t necessarily need tons of space, particularly if you also throw Fierce in there, who’s really good at getting downhill and attacking, too. All of that is an intriguing roster that I don’t know if it’s going to be good, you know, and if you are you willing to give up Herb Jones for that sort of thing, and I’m not I I that one’s tough. Herb Jones is a fan favorite. He’s one of my favorite players on the team, if not my favorite player on the team. And when you look at this team and the lack of defense, you kind of need the Herb Joneses of the world on the team and Herb Jones is on a great contract and for a team that is skirting around the luxury tax, you kind of need guys on good cheap contracts. And so to me, it makes me a little bit wary of going after Jonathan Kaminga and what it would kind of do to the roster. Particularly because having a wonky roster to start the year, you know what, that’s fine if you’re like, “Well, we’ll be competing. Okay, it doesn’t work out. Let’s start developing the young guys and we’ll lose games and we’ll have a good draft pick.” But you don’t have a good draft pick next year. And look, yeah, you got Queen and you’re kind of calling him your draft pick next year, but you gave up a lot to get Queen. That’s not an ideal situation. And you don’t want to have just kind of a wasted year in terms of win loss. Even if you develop the young guys, you know, you still got other things you need to accomplish, too. And that’s why the Pelicans have put themselves in a weird kind of two timeline spot. And I don’t love that sort of thing. Even if I love some of the guy, you know, the guys that they drafted. So, how does does Kaminga fit that? Does that help you in the future long term? I’m not entirely sure. And Kaminga look could be could outperform a 20 to $25 million per year contract easily easily could do that but also could not live up to that because we don’t actually know who he is. I don’t feel good enough about him as a player having watched a bunch of him talked to people about him to really get an idea of what to expect from him next season even in a different role on a different team. Yeah, there’s potential it could go great but there’s potential that it wouldn’t and he’s now not living up to that contract. So your range your you know your your your outcomes have such a range that it makes me a little bit nervous to do something like that. But you know that’s me kind of talking in a riskadverse way. Joe Dumar is not risk adverse is he? It’s about as aggressive as they get. That’s what makes this so really interesting I think. And we’re going to end up seeing what happens. I keep checking my phone just to make sure I’m like not missing an alert or something as I’m recording the show. So, coming up next, more James Burggo news. That’s what’s kind of interesting here. Let’s talk about that. That’s coming up here next in today’s episode of Locked On Pelicans. And thank you for making Lockdown Pelicans your first listen today and every day. We are here Monday through Friday, the number one Pelicans podcast covering everything you want to know about this Pelicans team. So, please subscribe wherever you get your podcast and join over 11,000 Pelicans fans on YouTube as well and watch us on the GF Coast Sports and Entertainment Network every Monday through Friday at 10:30 a.m. By the way, you see the Pelicans tweeting that out from their official account. That was pretty cool. For your second listen, locked on NBA. There’s there’s no offseason in the NBA here. So, locked on NBA where there’s no offseason. Doug, Matt, and Hayes keep you up to date on contract negotiations, rumors, and everything you need to be the most informed NBA fan. Find Locked on NBA on YouTube or wherever you listen to your podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day. So, let me know what you think about Jonathan Kaminga down below. Again, I will stress that, you know, I wonder if these rumors are just coming from the Golden State Warriors or something to try and drive up interest in him because if there’s more interest, then they’re going to get more in return in a signing trade rather than very little if there’s no interest. That could be where this is coming from. Could be his agents, too. You know, the Pelicans have not really leaked things. That Jordan Pool CJ McCullum trade was not leaked at all. The Derek Queen stuff kind of leaked a little bit more just kind of understanding their scouting process, but I don’t think we had an idea it was going to be like that big of a trade or something like that. So, it’s interesting to kind of see that they’ve kept things quiet. You know, when he was with the with the Detroit Pistons, Dumar’s got fined like half a million, threequarters of a million for leaking NBA news. And I wonder if he kind of learned his lesson on that sort of thing so doesn’t leak much anymore because of that. Could be how he’s operating here. Let’s switch gears and just give you another coaching update because I found this one kind of interesting. You know, it sounds like the Sacramento Kings are zeroing in on Mike Brown to be their next head coach. And Shams of ESPN kind of tweeted out like that’s what’s going to happen. You know, they kind of backdoor themselves into a good head coach, which okay, whatever. Good for them. And then it was, okay, Mark Stein saying, we talked about this in yesterday’s show, the everydayers kind of heard this, that maybe they want to hire James Burggo to be their lead assistant, but I don’t know if that’s going to happen anymore. The Pelicans seem pretty intent from me talking to people around the team and from other reporting that they want to keep James Burggo, and I think this is good. And I want to get into something with him specifically here in a second as we start to wrap up the show. It sounds like according to Mark Stein that the Denver Nuggets requested to interview or hire even just Bergo to be the lead assistant under David Adelman there, their new head coach. And the Pelicans said no because it’s considered a lateral move. If they said no to the Denver Nuggets, you would imagine they’re going to say no to the New York Knicks if they try and hire James Burggo to a lateral move, meaning they want to keep him. You know, I I a lot of people are mixed on James Burggo if he’s good or not. Is he actually the offensive guy to run the team because look, the offense wasn’t great the past two years. It’s been really weird. I think a lot of that, and I don’t want this to sound like I’m like trashing Brandon Ingram or anything, but look, a big part of the offense was they installed this offense. Brandon Ingram didn’t want to run set offense and kind of it all went out the window because what your one of your main guys was like, “No, that’s not how I’m going to play.” Like, that was a big part of them wanting to move on and kind of the his time ending here in New Orleans. So, if you actually let Bergo run the offense and have players that are buying into, let’s call it Bergo ball, that could be a really big difference maker for the Pelicans. So, when you look at their offense the past couple years and it’s like, well, what has Burggo done? Why are you fighting so hard to keep him? He it just hasn’t the situation, the circumstances haven’t led it to being kind of what you want. And so for that reason, if you get everyone kind of buying in, and it’s going to take Zion buying in too because it’s going to be more Zion off ball. And if you go back two years ago, it was like, yeah, that that didn’t quite work. You know, if you let Berago just kind of run his offense and everyone buys in, Zion being ball dominant, but maybe working off ball a little bit more and adding everyone in, like there’s enough offensive talent here to create a really scary offense, even with a lack of shooting. I’m not saying it’ll actually be that and work out that way, but there’s potential for that. And I think that’s kind of fun and very exciting when it comes to this Pelicans team. I’d like to give Berago one more year of figuring out what he could do with this team. You’re going to need a really bright offensive mind and someone who’s kind of focused solely on that to put all of these pieces together in a way that comes together is greater than the sum of its parts, right? And can be a pretty scary and potent offense because New Orleans is a very different team than they were a year ago. And one of the things we’ve also seen from them is no matter what collection of players they have, there haven’t been elite defenders on the team other than Herb Jones. But they’ve managed, you know, in back-to-back seasons have the sixth, seventh best defense in back-to-back years before the wheels fell off last year just due to all the injuries. CJ wasn’t a defensive guy. Zion’s not a defensive guy. Ingram’s not a defensive guy, right? Those are leading minutes guys. Uh Valudis wasn’t a a defensive guy. Tre’s not a defensive guy. and you were able to build a really, really good defense. And the everydayers, the longtime everydayers, if you’re one of those, let me know, have heard me say this, right? Offense and defense are very connected. When you’re putting the ball into the hoop and scoring, your defense can get back and get set and teams aren’t running against you. One of the worst things you can do is blow layups because teams immediately have a fast break if that’s the case. So, if you get a really good offense and score, your defense gets better. your defense gets better, right? You know, good defense leads to easy offense in transition opportunities. You block shots, you grab steals, you can run in transition, which is the easiest offense you can get. But good offense makes defense easier, and that’s an important thing to keep in mind, too. And then they start feeding off of one another. So, you can be an elite defensive team, but if you don’t have the offense, that defense is actually going to be held back a little bit, too. It could be even more elite. So that’s why this is exciting that if you can build a really scary creative offense and they have the tools and pieces to be a scary creative offense, I’m curious what they’d be able to accomplish and what this team could be. This is why I’m not as down on that Derek Queen trade as some others or as worried about some of the lack of shooting even though I I agree they need to add some to it because there’s so many other pieces here that can, you know, in Joe Dumar’s words compromise a defense that it could be could be it’s a big risk. It might not work out, but there’s potential here for them to be like something we really haven’t seen before. And I kind of love that idea. Let me know what you think in the comments down below on YouTube. So, that’s going to do it for this episode of Locked on Pelicans. Let me know what you think about Jonathan Kaminga. As always, I’m your host, Jake Madison, Nola Jake on Twitter. 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Pelicans eye Jonathan Kuminga: A game-changing move or salary cap nightmare?

Joe Dumars’ opportunistic strategy takes center stage as the New Orleans Pelicans explore a complex sign-and-trade for Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga. Host Jake Madison breaks down the intricate salary cap implications, potential roster fits, and strategic considerations of this bold move. The discussion covers Kuminga’s playoff performances, his compatibility with Zion Williamson, and how this acquisition could reshape the Pelicans’ future. Madison also analyzes the team’s commitment to assistant coach James Borrego and its potential impact on offensive schemes.

Tune in for an in-depth analysis of how Kuminga could transform the Pelicans’ lineup and what it means for their championship aspirations.

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