Why Indiana Pacers traded for center Jay Huff and what Huff brings to the Pacers

Why Indiana Pacers traded for center Jay Huff and what Huff brings to the Pacers

The Pacers have another center, Jay Huff, headed to the Pacers from the Grizzlies. The Pacers give out some future draft capital. What is this all about? What does this mean for the center position? What is Huff going to bring the Pacers? We have so much to get to on today’s Locked On Pacers podcast. You are Locked on Pacers, your daily Indiana Pacers podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network, your team every day.
What’s up everybody? Happy Sunday and welcome in to another edition of the Locked On Pacers podcast where we of course talk about the Indiana Pacers. As always, my name’s Tony East. cover the team for Forbes. And today, the Pacers have another center on the team. Tony Bradley no longer the only current one under contract as they have agreed to a trade with the Memphis Grizzlies. Jay Huff Grizzly center on a team that has Jiren Jackson on a team that can work its way around a different kind of center rotation. He played less than a thousand minutes last year. They have Brandon Clark. They have other bigs in potentially their plans. they can trade him away. The Pacers benefit by getting Jay Huff, who really emerged last year for the first time. We’ll talk more about his game. A very low asset cost trade for the Pacers who send the Grizzlies a future second, a 2029 second rounder. That actually is the Blazers second. The Pacers got it last year in the Buddy Heel trade. Uh, and then a 2031 pick swap, which is a funny thing to send out because that is the same pick swap the Pacers sent out in the Thomas Bryant trade in last December. Meaning that the Pacers 2031 second is now the worst of their own pick, the Heats pick and the Grizzlies pick. It used to just be their own and the Heat that it’s the worst of. So, it’s already going to be the worst of two teams. Now, it’s the worst of three. That’s fine. Whatever. That’s a very low drop, low value swap there. So it’s basically a second like a tiny little more than that for Jay Huff who has a lot of benefits he brings to the Pacers and also leads me to some questions about their center position. So first of all the pitch on Huff who it’s funny that he’s kind of been a journeyman right rookie year with the Lakers then he goes to the Wizards then he goes to the Nuggets and every team he’s on he’s playing more and more and then he goes to the Grizzlies last year and he’s been mostly on two ways this whole time. Um, but every team he’s left’s been like, “Well, Jay-Huff’s good. Like, it sucks to lose him, but you know, we’re doing this or that or he’s a little older.” And the Grizzlies right away, early in their shoes, like, “Oh, we need to keep Jay Huff.” Right. He he started the season well for them on that two-way. His deal got converted to a standard contract before October was over, right? Like a week and a half into the season, the Grizzlies were like, “Okay, we need to do something different with this guy.” Taylor Jenkins said it’s great. He liked Jal because he could accept any role. and he um he said quote this is former Memphis coach Taylor Jenkins he’s doing all the little things obviously him spacing the floor helps us a lot but I love that at 7-1 how he’s running the floor catching lobs and doing something that not a lot of big guys do right and that’s kind of what his sales pitch to the Pacers will be is you like the tail Peter method but better at other stuff right an efficiency monster last year he made over 40% of over three threes attempted per game and that was in less than 12 minutes a night, right? His per 36 three-point numbers is almost 10 threes per 36. He can really, really shoot in terms of volume, and that’s a good thing. Um, and he’s a good finisher inside the arc. His worst, obviously, as a rookie with the Lakers, he only played 20 minutes total. Outside of that season, his worst two-point percentage in a season was 69% with the Wizards in his second year. He puts the ball in the basket. true shooting percentage. Again, his rookie year was a joke because he only played 20 minutes. Then 79.6% with the Wizards, 72.4% with the Nuggets, and 66.6% last year in like real time. He played 750 minutes with the Grizzlies. Efficiency is obviously very good. He’s got to grow in lots of other ways, but he’s fairly mobile. He’s he can actually dunk. This isn’t just some like big man shooter type who is very immobile. Like, if you look at his play-by-play data, he dunks. he actually gets to the basket and is able to 47 dunks last year for Jay Huff. I bet the per minute dunks and threes numbers for him, you know, fall into that OB Toppin category of like it’s unusual for guys to be doing that. So, he does have some finishing juice. He does have some shooting ability and that kind of combo is what makes him a versatility fit for the Pacers who like their centers to be able to if possible mix in as much of both as they can. The rest of his game certainly needs some refinement, right? There’s a reason he’s been bouncing around the league his entire time. Uh, you know, you he’s not an awesome rebounder. His passing is what it is. 38 assists to 34 turnovers last year, right? He’s going to have to clean some of that up. His block numbers are pretty good. 64 uh in his time. His block rate and by percentage is very good, which is generally a good read of like, oh, this guy has good feel for timing and all that kind of stuff. And that certainly goes back to some athleticism stuff with those dunks. So, stylistically, I totally get the Jhuff fit with the Pacers. looking forward to like watching ton more tape on him instead of just going statistically off this and basing this off of people I chat with who cover the Grizzlies. But it seems like those strengths should should mesh well with the Pacers style, right? Got enough above the rim pop to provide something for everybody else. Enough shooting to space out the floor and not clog up anything in development or successful minutes, right? just kind of very malleable lineup by lineup in a way that’s helpful for a versatile Pacers team that plays a very specific concepts over plays kind of way. You see the fit. You see how a player like this, you know, can can help them. And again, really came on last year, right? His career is very interesting. He hasn’t even played a hundred games yet in his career. Kind of unrefined in that way. He will turn 27 before the next season starts. like he’s not young or developing, but in some ways he is still like being molded in that he hasn’t played a ton of actual games. The first three teams he’s on, he barely played at all. And then this year really emerging, like I said, with that contract on the year. He played his first two playoff games uh this year, made half his shots on that stage for the Grizzlies, right? They liked him. They liked him enough to sign him to that deal. Really interesting contract stuff going on. And that actually is, I think, part of the appeal of this trade for the Pacers beyond that. Jay Huff is like an actually serviceable player who clearly they like enough to trade for and we’ll talk about what that could mean for roster building stuff. So capwise is a fascinating trade. So Jay Huff is on a minimum salary right now, right? His salary for the coming season is his minimum and then it’s a minimum deal next year and then a team option two years from now. So I don’t want to get too in the weeds on this, but I find this personally very fascinating obviously. So let’s learn some rules today. So, the minimum salary exception is what technically allows teams to sign players to a minimum deal. Any team can do that anytime, but your minimum salary applies to other deals. So, Jub signed a four-year deal with the Grizzlies last year. So, his salary is the minimum right now, but his contract runs three years in length if you use the minimum salary exception. You can only sign a player to a two-year deal. So, you can’t just trade for Jay Huff into the minimum as the Pacers, right? So if if they had no trade exceptions, they would have had to take Jay Huff into their MLE and cut into their MLE. But guess what? They do have a trade exception. A very rare example where a team having a minimum salary trade exception matters. The Pacers at the trade deadline back in February traded James Wiseman to the Raptors for nothing. No salary in return. So they created a trade exception for the amount of James Wisman salary. When you use a trade exception to bring in someone else, you have $250,000 of wiggle room. Wise men’s trade exception value plus 250,000 is enough to fit in Jay Huff without having to use the the MLE. So, the Pacers don’t have to touch the MLE. And even though his deal doesn’t technically fit in the minimum salary exception because it’s a three-year deal, they can still take in Jay Huff and send out nothing in return. So, that’s how the Pacers are doing this. I would I’m almost certain that it will be the wiseman TPE unless like some other thing comes up that the mortorium is over. I’m recording this after midnight like stuff can be finalized now. So that is my assumption of what’s going to happen. That’s very shrewd. It’s very hard to use trade exceptions that small. That’s a good way to do it without touching the rest of your exception work that could matter later in the season. And they get an actually serviceable rotation level player. I mean he was Jay Hub was in the rotation for a team that won 48 games last year, right? clearly has proven uh with his ascent in the last season that he can have that level of impact, right? His minutes weren’t always huge, but the Grizzlies played him. Clark got hurt. That was fine. Jiren misses time almost every season. They’ve had other big They have obviously have Edy on the team as well. Like they have enough bigs to not need Jay Huff all the time, especially with Clark returning, but uh they clearly valued him. Like early in the season, he was playing all the time. He never really got, you know, a ton of DMP CDs or anything like that. It was like a lot of injury stuff. He’s on a two-way, all sorts of stuff like that. But, you know, he can play. He does have some sort of value um to the Grizzlies last year and now that comes to the Pacers. So, I’ll be very curious uh what he’s thought of as. But, as a guy who can shoot and has some sort of athletic pop and does play smart ball, uh I’ll be looking forward to seeing what that means for the Pacers and how that will fit. Right. Versatile is important. Nice per 36 numbers. But of course, taking a bet on guys with good efficiency on very cheap contracts is smart business. That’s the other part of the contract. I mentioned it’s three years. It’s super cheap this year at the minimum. And then next year, it’s fully guaranteed because he played he has stipulations in his contract to guarantee his salaries. He met that last year. Next year’s guaranteed. His team option year in 2728 could actually be like almost completely non-g guaranteed. he has to play a certain number of games or certain number of minutes in either of the next two seasons. If he does, that will become fully guaranteed, but it’s still a team option, right? So, it still technically could be removed from the books very easily. So, not only is it cheap for a potential rotation level player, there’s flexibility on that backend third year where the Pacers might have some decisions to make on other guys. You never know, they they might be a very open book by then. Regardless, uh that contract being like very very low for a player who potentially could play on a nightly basis, uh is good stuff. And that’s where I go to next is the nightly basis part because while it’s good for the Pacers, who again had only Tony Bradley under contract for their centers entering Saturday and walk out with Jay Huff, right? What is Jay Huff to them? I personally like I I get the appeal of Jay Huff. I watched him play enough last year and know he’s like a fine to good player. I like Isaiah Jackson. I think he’s good. Tony Bradley found a role for the Pacers in the playoffs last year. Like he’s fine. I don’t view any of them myself as starter level players. Maybe Isaiah Jackson could grow into that obviously, but you don’t we no one knows that. And he’s coming off of an Achilles tear, right? You never know how that’s going to impact how good he can be next season. Like are they doing a by committee center thing? Do they still feel like they need somebody better than Huff and Jackson? Did they acquire Jay Huff and spend a second to get a third string center? I wouldn’t think so. So, I’d imagine he’d be one of their top two guys. So, now I have questions about Isaiah Jackson and what this particularly means for him. Not because I don’t think he’ll be back. They made him restricted for a reason, but just because I wonder if they’re going to do this center by committee deal, I guess, where it’s like a couple guys playing, you know, 20 to 25 a night or something like that and they have a third big and they can go small with Tophin and Seakum or something and that’s how they do it. that’s fine, especially if those guys are cheap and you know in their low to mid20s. It’s just I you know that would be an interesting center rotation for a team that like I mentioned on the gap year show is like good enough to win something like I’d project that team to win like 38 to 44 games probably. Um that was pre trade probably on the lower end of that range but still so like does this boost that a little bit? Yeah, like they give up a second you raise things a little bit with Huff in that rotation but where do they actually view him is an important question. Does this mean Jay Huff is their starting five going into next season? Is he trotting out to to do the jump ball? Is Isaiah Jackson going to be the starting five if he’s on the team and Jay Huff’s the backup? Like where that all lands will be really interesting to me. But I would love to dive in more to Huff and see how he could fit with the Pacers. Uh because the again statistical profile is good, the the sales pitch from people who have covered him before in different places was good. Uh, but I’ll be very fascinated to see what this looks like potentially in a new system and get my own opinions of his game from much much more tape time and what that means for what I think his role should be for the Pacers because he’s on the minimum like in some ways because he bounced around on two-way so much. I understand taking the guaranteed contract laid out in front of you, but when you’re on a minimum, you’re on a minimum a lot of times for a reason. Not saying he can’t or won’t outplay it. It’s just I don’t know exactly what that’s going to mean for the Pacers in terms of his rotation spot. if he’s big one, two, or three, how they feel about the other guys that they have. I personally right this second would for example have Jay Huff over Tony Bradley in a rotation. Right? So of the two Pacers the center, excuse me, of the two centers the Pacers currently have, Jay Huff would be the starter, but Isaiah Jackson is restricted. Thomas Bryant still hanging out there. You just never know exactly what’s going on. Uh what more does this make me curious about? What other moves around the NBA will be fascinating and have been fascinating to me about the Pacers as they trudge on through free agency. So much more to get to on today’s lockdown on Pacers. 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That’s open the FanDuel app today and make that all happen. Visit fanuel.com to get started back here on Lockdown Pacers. Thanks for making this first listen today and every single day. Your second listen Grizzlies who obviously made this trade with the Pacers. Jay Huff found the way out and they immediately signed Jock Landale. So they viewed Jock Landale and having that second rounder as better value than Huff. The Pacers viewed it the opposite way obviously because the Pacers could also have just signed Jock Landale if if he wanted to come there. So an interesting gamble. I think stylistically Jay Huff probably fits with the Pacers better than the Grizzlies given the way those teams are going to play, but obviously we will see how that pays off and it’s a very low stakes failure if it’s not a good bet because of what they gave up. uh a a future second by a team that will be better then than they are now and a swap that might be like almost nothing is not that much to give up. But the H I mean Huff had some good games last year, right? Again, he started that season strong. They converted him so fast. So fast, right? That is an atypical way for a player’s conversion timeline to happen from a two I think it was October 28th the season starts like right around then. He played very few games at the beginning had 18 points in their third game of the season. 13 and five in an opening night win, right? 20 points on November 2nd. Like Jay Huff started it really strong. 22-6 in a win over the Mavs pretty late in the season. He put up some numbers, right? He scored in double digits in over a third of his appearances for this Grizzlies team. And so I’ll be very fascinated to see what that looks like for the Pacers, but his rebounding is not, you know, a supreme skill. That’s something everybody wants the Pacers to be better at. Um that’s not something that I would consider his strength. He had nine rebounds in one game last I think his second highest is only six, right? Two per game is not necessarily a number that’s jumping off the page in anybody, but the efficiency is again a good bet and he had solid games for that Grizzlies team, but they had, especially when Jollandel came in to join Jiren Jackson and Zack Edy and Brandon Clark, Brandon Clark and whoever else they may get as their front court partners, they don’t need Jay Huff on that team anymore. Why not pick up an asset? The Pacers do very badly need a JF level guy on their team and they went and got it. So now what, right? Do do I think this changes things for Isaiah Jackson? Probably not, right? I think if they have Isaiah Jackson back, I would consider him higher in any pecking order than Jay Huff even post Achilles. You have to see it to know though, right? Like and that that’s part of this is insurance. They would have needed a third potentially viable center anyway if Jackson was their backup big. So in that way it is helpful, right? You can be careful with a guy coming off your Achilles uh off of Achilles tear, excuse me. So, I would I would presume this means little for Isaiah Jackson, who has a chance to be back on the Pacers next year, and like I’ve mentioned many times, should probably want to be on the Pacers next year, even if he’s on a minimum because he would keep his bird rights, which would not happen anywhere else. So, we’ll see how that resolves itself. The restricted free agent market has not developed at all. Right. Kuminga, nothing. Getty, nothing. All the best guy. Cam Thomas, nothing. Quinton Grimes, nothing. Right. So, that always goes second. That’s just the order of events, but um you know, we’ll see where that lands for Isaiah Jackson, but if Isaiah Jackson is back on the Pacers next year, I I would view him as better than Jay Huff. I think most to everybody would. So, I would I would assume he’s above him in the pecking order, but how many minutes per game can Jackson play safely? How good is he going to be compared to how he was before the Achilles injury, if he’s worse at all? Right? What does that look like? That’s a question. You never know. Insurance is helpful there. Tony Bradley would be behind both of those guys to me. Thomas Bryant would probably behind both of those guys as well. I’d probably have James Wiseman. If it was Jackson and Huff as the third big as well. So, uh, of the options of like the guys who were in the Pacers orbit last year who are not named Miles Turner, I would have Jackson Huff as the one two and everybody else is the three. If Jackson is not back and it’s like Huff Bryant Bradley or Huff Wisman Bradley, I’d have Jay Huff first, I think, among that crew. So, we’ll have to see what they actually decide to do. There hasn’t been a lot of market force stuff going on that makes me think one way or the other outside of the qualifying offer to Jackson. There hasn’t really been any telling details about what they might do at the rest of their five position. But, uh, that’s how I think the current pecking order is viewed. But, I what I don’t think this does be was what I’m saying is, you know, outside of Jackson making it to hust the third big and they traded a second and a swap for a third big, which would be interesting but not ridiculous for a third big playing behind a guy who tore the Achilles last year. But I would not say this takes them out of the idea of trading for a center still. If they view they need somebody better than whoever they currently have as realistic options. You know, we’ll talk more about a transaction later that made my ears perk up before this Jay-Huff thing, but you know, there’s certainly guys in Orlando, they have a lot of centers. Utah’s got a lot of centers. Portland has a lot of centers, right? There are ways for the Pacers to make a trade if they want to. I don’t think this prohibits them or should deter them from doing so if they want more talent at the position. But a lot of people expected the Pacers to make a trade for a center, especially after the Aiden thing. And this is it. They trade for Jay Huff. They have two fives on their team now. They’ll probably have three at some point. Perhaps they make a trade. They still have Enrique Freeman waiting in the wings to potentially seize front court minutes, although he might be a little too short for center. So, this does make good sense for their needs. This does make good sense as a stylistic fit capwise. By using this trade of player exception from Wiseman, they get a cheap guy with flexibility in the future. But when you’re on that kind of if you’re a rotation player making the minimum, that’s a steal in the modern environment as the Pacers try to build their team. There are a ton of reasons this makes sense for the Pacers knowing what role he’s in. We’ll be telling about the rest of their playing at center. It’s impossible to know that. I got asked this question enough that I will address it. I don’t know if Jay Huff’s going to play summer league for the Pacers. I mean, this would be he’s going into his fifth NBA season. That’s not like impossible, but that’s rare. Uh, and he will be 27 by the time the next season starts again. That’s not impossible, but rare. So, I would doubt it, but I guess it’s pos possible. Yeah, it’s possible, I suppose. You know, I talked about Chris Dwarte’s second summerly yesterday. He was almost 26 for that, but that was also different because it was going into his second season. All sorts of stuff like that. So, Jay Huff is a Pacer. The Pacers second rounder from Portland uh four years from now is gone. a pick swap has been worsened and that is the Pacers new asset reality. I wanted to talk a little bit about a move slash some moves that made me go hm ears perked up. What’s going on here? Uh what does this mean for the Pacers? One is a guy that uh had been mentioned as a potential Pacers target. It made sense was Mo Vagner uh who went back to the Magic as I expected because his brother’s there and he likes it there and he plays well there. Like remember he was crushed. There’s that video of him like being crushed by what his offers were a few years ago before he went to the Magic that came out from like I think it was a German documentary or something. It was very interesting. Mo Vagner back to the Magic one year 5 million. So it wasn’t stated enough when I was talking about him as an option for the Pacers that he is also coming off of a major injury like Wiseman and Jackson. So that should reduce his value and should have been considered when talking about him. But the reason I talked about him is because he’s good. I think he’s a good player. Uh, but one year, five million for a guy unrestricted free agent coming off of a major injury. That made me think about Isaiah Jackson’s market value even more. Something I’ve talked about a lot because of this qualifying offer situation. I thought, man, I mean, coming off a major injury, do I think Mo Vagner is going to be better than Isaiah Jackson? I don’t know. But the fact that that’s the market available for him, that seems like a reasonable range uh reasonable range for Jackson. So perhaps this is like a two for 10 coming for Jackson. Two, one for six, one for five, something in that range. The Mo Vagner contract got me thinking about that. And again, this now sets up the magic in a situation where they signed their draft pick Noah Penda as well. They have four centers in Penda, Betad, Bogner, and Wendell Carter. And they only have 14 players, not 15. They’re so close to the hardcaped first apron that the Orlando Magic are a lock to make a trade at some point this off season. I would say they don’t have to have to, but I think it would make good sense. Maybe it’s Jonathan Isaac’s salary, maybe it’s somebody else. So, just keep an eye on the Magic. Uh, keep an eye on them. And that move made me go, oh, interesting. What does that market value mean for the Pacers? Another trade that happened very recently that people went, why did the Pacers do that? Cam Whitmore traded from the Rockets to the Wizards for two second rounders. Generally there’s a reason a player is getting traded for two seconds whether that’s how their career’s gone and obviously there was a high perception of Cam Whitmore at his draft and he’s done some good stuff when he plays for Houston but again there’s always a reason that that is the final value settled on and I would I would draw everybody back two summers ago when the Pacers traded away Chris Darte for two seconds and traded for Obi-Wan for two seconds. You just never know what end of the spectrum you’re going to get. If it’s going to be a guy who turns out to be topping and is is like pretty good for you. Uh or they’re going to be Darte and they’re like never good never that good anyway. You you just never know, right? And the Pacers obviously had good reasons to do both of those trades. But I think um people saying, “Oh, the Pacers should have been all over that.” Like maybe yeah, Kim, if you think Kim Whitmore’s good, yeah, but I understand that like not being as interesting to them as other people do. Even though I don’t even know if they were at all interested in Cam Whitmore. The Rockets had a lot of cap and financial reasons. They didn’t have to move on from him specifically, but to do something and he was the guy that ended up being uh the recipient of that. Other than that, not a ton of moves that I would love to dive into or think are huge factors for the Pacers at this moment. Uh but this Jay Huff trade does make sense. They have another center. They are at least more in line with the roster now. 12 players under contract uh with three spots to go that I would kind of earmark as another needed center for sure perhaps Isaiah Jackson, a random veteran point guard of some kind and one probably going to Cam Jones. So, we’ll see if they need a trade to get one of those players or if that is how they handle it. That is my take on where the Pacers are and what they’re doing. And there we are. Okay, tomorrow slash today when this comes out uh it is the 6th. It is the moratorum ending. It is over actually as of me recording this. So, uh, perhaps Miles Turner can become official with Milwaukee. The Pacers trade with the Spurs can become official regarding Cam Jones. Lots of stuff. So, we’ll get more details on things. The Jay Huff trade can can already be official, but now it really can be official. So, there’ll be a lot to break down Monday. I’ll try to have a guest on. If there’s any breaking news, we’ll see uh because I do these pretty late because I don’t want to miss anything this time of year. And then Tuesday, we’ll see what the status of Summer League is. But if there’s nothing breaking by Tuesday, I have a very cool podcast coming your way about a new Pacers drafty. That’ll be really interesting. And so, lots of fun stuff coming here. And then summer league starts on Thursday. I’ll be out in Vegas for the first couple of those games. So, thank you guys so much for listening today. I’ll have more on Jay Huff after a much deeper dive into what he’s good at and watching more tape. Uh, back tomorrow with more on the Pacers off season. Till then, everybody, have a wonderful day.

The Indiana Pacers finally made a move and did so for center depth, bringing in Jay Huff from the Memphis Grizzlies. Why? What will Huff bring to the Pacers? Host Tony East breaks it all down.

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