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Miami Heat Fans DEBATE Over Tyler Herro Extension Talks | Latest On Jonathan Kuminga



Miami Heat Fans DEBATE Over Tyler Herro Extension Talks | Latest On Jonathan Kuminga

Miami bolstered their roster on Monday, but still have some loose ends to tie up. How does the acquisition of Norm Powell impact Tyler Heroes extension? We’ll answer that and hear from DaVon Mitchell and Simone Fonteo on today’s episode of Locked on Heat. You are Locked on Heat, your daily Miami Heat podcast, part of the locked on podcast network. Your team every day. All right, welcome to Locked on Heat, your daily podcast on the Miami Heat. Whether you’re tuning in on YouTube or on your favorite podcast app, thanks for making Locked on Heat your first listen every day. I’m Wes Goldberg here with David Remill. Both of us are credentialed Heat Media members who cover this team every day for daily heat content. Click that subscribe button on YouTube. Make sure you are following us on your podcast app. Have a great show for you today. We’re going to be talking about some loose ends now that the Norm Power Trade is done. We’ll talk about the latest on Jonathan Domingo. We’re going to hear from DaVon Mitchell and Simone P from Techio for the first time. But first, let’s start with Tyler Herro. Hero eligible to sign a three-year $150 million extension in October. And after the Norm Powell trade, Heat fans seem to be stirred up a little bit talking about this thing online. At least you’ve got Bill Simmons and Ryan Rillo talking earlier this week about how they wouldn’t go over $40 million a year for Hero. I don’t know if it was specifically that that kind of got heat Twitter in a frenzy here. They’re yelling at each other again this week about why we can’t pay Hero $50 million a year, etc. Uh, first of all, so I look, I I did think that it at least deserved a comment. We haven’t talked about this in a while, and things have changed a little bit here. I think first of all, everything is a little overstated. We’re talking about an extension that wouldn’t kick in until three years from now. Yeah. And the front office still has to plan for it and they still have to figure it out. But frankly, I don’t know why this has been a big deal this week. I really don’t. I don’t. Maybe it’s just okay Norm Pal trade done. How does Norpal fit with Tyler Herro? Speaking of Tyler Hero, what’s going on with this extension? Again, that the the window opens in October for this. So, uh, in terms of pending business, this isn’t like at the top of the the checklist for Miami’s front office right now, but I suppose it’s something that they might want to consider. That said, Pat Riley has already said, “Yeah, we’re probably going to talk about this next summer.” Tyler Herro’s already said, “Yep, if they want to do it this summer, cool. If not,” he kind of insinuated, pretty much did insinuate that he’d be cool just waiting until next summer to do it, too. Frankly, I don’t understand why this is such a hot topic right now. What about you? It just kind of feels like the contract extension around the NBA, not just specifically to Miami or to Tyler, is kind of indicative of the team’s level of interest in said player. If you offer that extension right away, it’s kind of a sign of how much you appreciate that player or have faith in their ability to be a cornerstone for the franchise and somebody that you want to lock into a contract right away. So, from that perspective, I think that kind of changes how people interpret it. It’s like you offer me the money as soon as you can, it’s because you believe in me and want me to be a part of the team right away. And I think Tyler is such a hot button topic for Heat fans in general because despite his production last season, despite the continued growth over the course of his career, the all-star selection, the accolades that he’s been able to accomplish, he’s still a very polarizing player because we have yet to see him be anywhere near dominant in the postseason when it matters most. And if that’s the case, then that kind of puts a cap on how you can view him and his potential. Where does he fit? He’s not a star level player, despite the fact that he was named an allstar. He is a very good scoreer and a very good player, but I think you and I both agree there is a limited ceiling to him. One that we don’t frankly see in Bam at a bio. I think Bam has a ceiling, but it’s a little different because Bam’s impact is so much broader than what Tyler’s. Tyler has emerged as a playmaker. He’s also improved as a defender, although that’s still a glaring problem. But it’s his strength as a scorer that it’s allowed him to frankly have a career at the NBA level in the be in the first place. So, what is it that we’re looking for from Tyler? And I think that’s where you kind of have to look at it from that perspective is just see, you know, is Tyler going to continue to develop in other aspects of his game or is he going to just be a kind of one-dimensional player? And that being the case, then you know, you look at what Miami has been able to accomplish as a team regarding their postseason over the last couple years. And you don’t necessarily have faith in Tyler to be the kind of individual player who can carry you well beyond that. And we’ve seen it too often, frankly, around the NBA is that players get overpaid and that becomes a big area of concern for their fan base, and you’re kind of tied to this one-dimensional player. I mean, you look at what happened with Washington and Bradley Beal, just as an example. So, I I think I think fans have a a right and are our right to be concerned about this because you want to have some kind of a plan. I think Miami’s fallen short of what their goal was this off season. And I think that if you’re going to be paying a player like Tyler Herro that kind of money, you at least want some confidence or assurance that he’s going to continue to develop. And frankly, I don’t think that exists. I I think No, go ahead. Yeah. No, it doesn’t have to be something that’s answered right away, right? And um he’s a one-dimensional player. He’s a very good scorer. He’s getting better at that one dimension, right? Like he’s very elite in that one dimension, but he’s always going to be that. He’s never going to be a good defender. He’s never going to be a good passer playmaker guy. He He’s gotten better. He’s never going to be it’s never going to be the strength of his game. You know, he’s got a great floater. He’s good. He He’s, you know, got a great three-point shot. The mid-range thing is there for him. Like, there’s things that we He’s a three-level scorer at this point. He’s gotten better at getting to the free throw line, all these things. But at the end of the day, Tyler Herro, the way to make Tyler Herro better is to put him next to a primary playmaker type. That’s how Tyler Herro gets better is in the utilization of Tyler Herro. Making sure that he’s playing to his position and that he’s being put in a position to succeed. That’s how you make Tyler Hero better. At the same time, if you want to go get that lead playmaker guard type guy, and I’m not talking about even like a Taius Jones guy who’s just brings dribbles the ball up past half court and then passes it, a guy who could really bend the defense and do something. Um, that guy is going to cost you. Yep. And that’s why you can’t that that’s why this conversation of well if you’re going to pay BAM and you’re going to pay Tyler you want to get a third star. We’ve seen how that doesn’t work, right? Like the league punishes teams that are paying uh three or four players that much of the cap. And if you’re going to spend $150 million plus on three players, that takes away from your depth. It takes away from all the other things. You’ve got to nail the draft. These players that you do draft have to be good pretty much right away. It’s just it’s a really tough it’s a tough line to walk on. Um I’ll say this though here’s where I fall on Tyler Hero. Yeah. You can’t pay him more than 40 million $40 million a year. You can’t pay him the full You definitely can’t pay him $50 million a year. You can’t pay him the max extension. 150 million over three years. You can’t do it. He’s a very good player. He’s not that good. And I don’t think he ever will be. And that’s okay. I am the Tyler Hero apologist, man. Like, this is not a this is not a slight or anything. It’s just some players are superstar players worth $50 million a year. Most of them aren’t. And Talahero is an all-star and a very good player, but he’s not a superstar, super max type of player, and that’s okay. It’s not a slight. Very few players are that. But to your point, you can’t. There was a point in time where in the NBA, you just gave the max player or you just gave the player the max if they qualified for it. You gave Brad Leil all of it. You gave Zack Living all of it. You gave Brandon Ingram all of it. You just gave all you gave these guys the full max. But in this new apron world that we live in, you can’t do it anymore. And these things are up to negotiation. I think you’re seeing some of that right now with some of the restricted free agents that are out there. I think you’re seeing some of it with some of these other extensions that have been signed. I think you’re seeing it right now, frankly, with Trey Young in Atlanta, right? The Hawks, it doesn’t sound like, want to give Trey Young the full max. And Trey Young has a lot more on his resume than Tyler Herro does, right? A lot more pedigree also. Yeah. And we’re entering a world and it’s going to be tough, but I think Tyler Herro is going to be a really interesting test case of I know you’re eligible for 50 million a year. We’re not going to do that. What are you willing to accept? And are you going to be okay with that? Because that’s a he’s going to that’s the concern. But if you’re title hero, do you really think you’re going to get $50 million from another team? Cuz I got news for No. Nobody else is going to pay him that. So at some point the market is going to dictate like happy, unhappy, we don’t care. This is business and the market’s going to tell you what you’re worth. Do you really think that’s the case? I mean, again, I it depends, I suppose, on how far down the road Miami’s front office kicks this can in particular, because I think if you punt for too long and just wait and if Tyler continues to show development in other aspects, then all of a sudden that price goes up higher and higher and then there will be teams willing to pay for it. Well, I if he gets better and becomes worth $50 million a year, great. That means he just became the number one option on a championship caliber team. Yeah. I I I I don’t know. I my my feeling is that and look, this is how players react is it’s a tough pill to swallow. And I don’t know that I don’t know that Tyler strikes me necessarily as the kind of guy who wants to hear from Pat Riley in the front office, we don’t think you’re good enough to pay. And well, that would be a very poor choice of words if that’s how they approached it. But if they said, hey, you’re making $25 million a year right now. Would you like $10 million more than that on your next contract because we value that you we value you at $35 million a year? Like I get but to your point like you could also end up in a Miles Turner situation where he leaves Indiana because he felt slided for $3 million more a year for Milwaukee which doesn’t feel like you know for $3 million really going to uproot everything and leave a team that was just in the NBA finals to join whatever it is that the Bucks are doing and he Yes. Yeah. I won’t be locked on Bucks right away if they offer me $3 million. All right. Sure. Well, you know, it’s the between 22 and $25 million. I mean, for these NBA players, it’s a little bit different, but you definitely know that the emotions were probably part of it a little bit. So, I I hear what you’re saying. I’ll just be I’m not I’m not saying that that shouldn’t be a concern. I’m just saying like things are going to change in the NBA and Tyler Herro is going to be one of the first test cases because teams aren’t Tyler Herro is exactly the kind of player that you just gave the money to and you figured it out later under the previous salary cap system. And in this salary cap system, you just can’t do that. And that’s why you’re seeing guys like Bradley Beal get bought out. This is a that’s a interesting point then because then when you’re that test subject, the eyes of the NBA are on you. Uh and not just from a front office perspective, like they can’t b. But think about Tyler representing the other 449 NBA players in the league and being that one guy who says, “Yeah, I’m okay taking less because I like being here in Miami. There’s a team that’s drafted me and I don’t mind doing it.” It almost feels like it almost feels like they’re putting him in a position where he has to be the guy that says, “No, no, I’m going to get that money one way or the other and you’re going to have to trade me to a team in order to do so.” So I I think Trey Young might be more of that because he is I mean his fa his recognition like his his name like that guy feel like you you pull the casual NBA fan they would be Trey Young superstar player. What is he a top 10 guy in the NBA? Like I feel like most casual fans think that of Trey Young. That jersey sells. I know that much. But Tyler’s not that guy. So that’s why Tyler is more of the I’d say second, maybe even third tier. Sure. In terms of like NBA fandom and stardom. And that being the case, again, he he has to be able to be the kind of player to say, “No, I I I kind of demand that sort of money because I think that’s what we’re worth.” And and that’s uh I I don’t blame him for it either. Like I I know players or I’m sorry, fans don’t want to hear that, but you know, again, there are 450 NBA players in the world and we’re talking about eating out a few extra pennies from billionaires that own these teams. And I know that there’s constraints of the salary cap, but I don’t want to rail against the financial structure of players getting paid what they get. And yet, I I can’t blame Tyler for saying, you know, screw that. I’m an NBA all-star. I’ve gotten better every year that I’ve been with this team. Whether you like what I do in the playoffs or not, go after yourself. pay me my money. And that being the case, he might just force a way out of Miami. And I know a lot of fans might say, “Good, go trade him.” But that’s not how that works. Well, maybe it is. Like, if Tyler, look, if Tyler can find a team to pay him that money at $50 million a year. Yeah. More power to you. My point is, I don’t know that any of the 30 NBA teams are going to pay Tyler Herro $50 million a year. Maybe not. And and that’s why I think that the market ultimately and this is why I think the Heat are willing to wait and I think Talahiro is also willing to wait because he says like look the playoffs I wasn’t good and I kind of want another chance and to bet on myself and maybe prove to you that I am worth that kind of money. But uh we’ve gone long enough on this subject. We’ll see what happens again eligible in October but uh I don’t anticipate anything happening but things can change. Meanwhile, we’re talking about markets. The market has spoken on Jonathan Kaminga and yesterday’s price is not today’s price. Today’s episode is brought to you by Monarch Money. You ever wish managing your money felt easier? With Monarch Money, it can. 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I don’t think that Kaminga wants to go back to Golden State. He’s him and his camp have been doing a lot of oh, Miami is really interested in me kind of thing right now. And and by the way, I don’t think Golden State wants to part with Kaminga for what they might view as a below market return. Um so both both Kaminga and the Warriors are in a little bit of a stalemate right now. I think it’s a really tough market for restricted free agents. When you look at Kaminga, Josh Giddy, there’s just no money out there. And what restricted free agents need is money out there. They need other teams to come in and offer them a big offer sheet and force their, you know, the incumbent team to match and all that, but you know, the Brooklyn Nets used their cap space on Michael Porter Jr. and and Terrence man, and that was the only team with real cap space. So, yeah, uh it’s a tough market right now for restricted free agents and I think that’s why you kind of see things at a standstill a little bit in terms of uh the Kaminga stuff and and where the Heat stand on that too right now. How does you how do you think the Powell acquisition changes your perspective of Recommending because I know there was some you know maybe a mild interest or at least that’s what had been reported just as recently as a week ago by several Bay Area reporters and now it doesn’t seem like there’s as much of a need like on the surface Kaminga fits if you’re looking at a full investment into that youth movement that we talked about in recent episodes but I would say that Pal might be the better player in terms of what he could provide from a three-point shooting aspect to help unlock the offense. And I think he’s clearly a better player right now. But Kaminga’s potential versus production in Powell. And I I think that it kind of signifies Miami’s approach or change in approach to this season and the future. So I think the Norm Powell thing impacts where Miami is at just in terms of a financial thing, right? I I don’t know how motivated they ever really were to try to go get Jonathan Kaminga. I thought they were interested. I thought they I think they did do their due diligence. My sense was never that they needed to get Jonathan Kaminga. I think they were interested in perhaps stealing Jonathan Kaminga the way they stole Norm Powell. It’s hey the restrict free agent market is what it is. if we can kind of get this guy for a below market deal and it, you know, it’ll probably cost us something, but we’d be willing to do that and and take a flyer on him, but now that you’re $1.3 million over the luxury tax, would you go out and pay Jonathan Kaminga 25 $30 million a year and then go into the tax forum? Yeah. I don’t know that Miami wants Kaminga that bad. And that’s why I think the market is what it is with him. I I I don’t know what happens next, but you know, the Warriors could offer him a contract. Would he have more or less value if he were to sign a new contract with Golden State? That’s about, let’s call it, I don’t know, let’s call it $30 million a year. Just I’m using that because that’s what Jaylen Green, who was in the same draft class, signed as an extension last summer. So, let’s just call it $30 million a yearish. Would Would that have Would he have more or less value on a contract like that, do you think? I think less, right? Yeah, I think so. I I just again, you know, we were just talking about Hero, right? So, you have a lot of these test cases around the league and Kaminga is an interesting one because here’s a player who’s believes in himself and thinks he’s worth a lot more and yet the market’s kind of saying, “Not really.” Um, and so that’s a bitter pill for him to swallow. And I I think that that tenure in Golden State is probably at its end. and you’re going to have to accept the reality that the rest of the league is dictating towards you. So, it’s it’s an interesting case there. And um would would you give up Wiggins for Kaminga? Because we floated the sign and trade, you know, Wiggins for Kaminga thing out there. I’m at the point now if I’m the Heat. I don’t know that I’m even doing that. No, I that feels like you’re gifting Golden State something at that point. Yeah. I I think with the acquisition of Powell, Wiggins is a better fit just because of his versatility and certainly his strength as a defender. Yeah. Kaminga’s I mean what you’re banking on is that he evolves as a score, a more complete and consistent score. And he might not ever reach that, but that’s the that’s the goal if you acquire him and saying, you know what, we’re going to see if maybe within two to three years we’ve got a potential all-star, maybe even a star in our hands. Uh but another one for you. Sure. It would have to take three teams. And that’s the other part about this Kaminga stuff as a restricted free agent. There’s the base salary thing that makes a trade very complicated. You have to involve multiple teams either way pretty much if they were going to do a signup trade, which is what this would be because they don’t have any cap space. Um going out, it would be Teo Rosier probably to a third team and Himemehake Jr. and you get kaminga, but then you have to pay kaminga and let’s call it $25 million a year and that keeps you under the luxury tax I think. Again, base salary stuff very confusing, but let’s call it $25 to $30 million a year. You’re on the hook for Kaminga for three to four years. You’re giving up Rosier’s expiring. You’re giving up Himehake Jr. who goes, I guess, to Golden State in this hypothetical scenario. And now you’re paying Kaminga. Yeah, I don’t know. Um, right. I wouldn’t necessarily do that either. Not just because of what Miami is giving up. Certainly, I think moving up Rosier seems like a priority. And I know people out there want not just pennies, but they’ll take a half penny on the dollar just to return or just get to get rid of Terry. But I I think that Kaminga, if you acquire him, in order for him to reach his potential, and I think this is part of the problem in Golden State, is that he has to be given the ball and the leeway to do so, the playing time and opportunity, and he’s not going to get that if you acquire him and and with that kind of version of the roster. You’re going to keep Wiggins, you’re going to have Norm Pal, you’re going to have Tyler starting. It’s like, well, aren’t you basically slotting him into the same role he had in Golden State, which pissed him off in the first place. So, it’s not just the money, it’s also the opportunity to show I’m worth that kind of money. So I I think acquiring him that way then just to pigeon hole back into the same spot would be kind of a disservice to him and to the team. Uh we heard from both DaVon Mitchell and Simon Feekio on Tuesday and what they had to say should have Heat fans excited. We’ll talk about that next here on Locked on Heat. Back here with Locked on Heat. Thanks for making us your first listen every day. Best way to support the show, like and subscribe on YouTube. Follow us on your favorite podcast app. Let’s talk about DaVon Mitchell. He spoke to the media for the first time since resigning with the Heat uh at the Junior Heat basketball camp on Tuesday. I want to play you this sound from this session. I’m just excited uh to be back here with this group of guys, with this coaching staff, with this organization, man. It’s it’s completely different from the the place I’ve been in and they really take winning seriously here and and I respect that. So, I’m excited to be here. Coach Bose, I think, is one of the greatest judges of all time. So, just learning from him. Um, just asking questions from him. Um, you won’t get any better answer from anybody else, I think. And just my teammates, my teammates wanted me here. They embraced me here. Um, they wanted me to be myself. And if I could be somewhere and and be myself, I know I can be the best player I can be. I love everything about it, David. I love the fact that, you know, the guy played got drafted to Sacramento, was playing in Toronto, and he was okay in Toronto, and then he was even better in Miami, but clearly he valued being in Miami. Clearly valued the time that he had there. Was a big part of their their playin, their run through the playin tournament and into the playoffs to make it that far. He just wanted to stay here. And and that’s all you could really ask for is a guy who just feels like you know what it was it was a rough kind I was in the wilderness for a little bit and I kind of found and I just found home and and I think that’s why you guys you saw a deal get done so quickly between DaVon Mitchell and the Heat because I think the feelings were mutual there. Last season was in many ways a bleak one and yet I think one of the best episodes that we had and one of my favorites certainly to record was our interview with DaVon just because it was such an um a revealing one in terms of his perspective because it’s so easy to kind of overlook these role players around the league and you know I’ve always had a soft spot for the role players but these guys kind of just get put into a certain position and they’re just kind of overshadowed by the superstar player and that’s fine. I get why fans do that, but there’s a journey here, a process, and you kind of you’ve talked about it a number of times, the the second draft players where they just need a new opportunity, a change of scenery to find a way to blossom. And you were in on it from the very beginning when Mitchell’s acquisition. You thought he would thrive here. And I think uh that was uh some great foresight there because he just seemed like the Heat type player and he did. He thrived. And I said it too. I I remember saying that this is a guy that Heat fans are going to love that they never really got an opportunity to see him in Sacramento. They sure as hell didn’t have a chance to see him with, you know, this kind of version of the Raptors team. So, you didn’t really know what you were getting and yet he was a great player, perfect fit. And and to see his appreciation for this franchise, it’s kind of like he’s he was a Heat Lifer from day one. And it it just feels like the right kind of move to be able to sign into a long-term deal because he is he was so appreciative of Spo. Even in our conversation with him, he was so grateful to play alongside a defensive player like Bam at a bio. Uh I don’t never forget him saying one of the underrated defenders on this team, Pella Larson, a guy who I think a lot of fans, even Heat fans, overlook to a certain degree. But I mean, there was just already an appreciation for his new team and his role on it. And I think he’s just going to continue to thrive to be honest with you. So I would not be surprised if he has an even better season next year than he did over the last few months with his stint in Miami. I would bet on it, right? I don’t know that he’s going to shoot 40 45% whatever he shot from three, but I think overall he’ll he’ll he’ll be even better. Um just a whole lot of FU attitude in that back court now between DaVon Mitchell, Norm Pal, and Tyler Herro. That’s just a lot of FU oozing chips on those shoulders, right? I mean, they got a lot big chip back court. I like that. Big chips. I like um Simone Fentio, meanwhile, he spoke to the local media for the first time since the trade. He talked about why he thinks that he’s going to be a fit here. And David, I’m liking what I’m hearing so I always look at, you know, at the this franchise they eat uh with sort of a like admiration the way, you know, the way they let like young guys develop, the way they, you know, develop young guys and uh you know, they played over the years, multiple like undrafted guys and you know, make them like big players and I always kind of love that and I think I’m I’m kind of the the same player because, you know, I wasn’t drafted. I came I came to the league kind of late. So, I think I I I I can fit right right into the the the team, right into the culture. uh you know everything I earned in my life in my career I had to as I said I had to earn it and nobody ever like give me anything you know and um yeah I always admired the the eat culture you know the their work ethic and I think I can fit right into that lot of buzzwords there David love that I don’t know if they’re giving guys like a brochure and like talking points highlighted because I I mean that is just like a PR dream like you know so many fans have questioned oh they burnt bridges with Jimmy Butler you think the rest of the league isn’t watching that and then you see here a guy like Feio again an overlooked role player around the league but the reputation is strong I love it I love hearing all the buzzwords because you know people are paying attention and they appreciate maybe maybe it’s a very specific thing but what has fo told us a million times we’re not for everybody and we’re okay with that there’s a guy like Fonteo and there he’s watching from afar in Utah or in Detroit and going you know what I love that heat culture I love the way they play I love the intensity the culture all the different buzzwords I’m ecstatic all of a sudden I’m like a buyer in Fecio’s impact here and I know it seems unlikely but you know what let’s do it because because again for a player to recognize yeah for a player to recognize look I I have had to work just to get to this point and I know that seems redundant because every player has to work to get to that point But some have to work a little harder and that’s okay to admit and he understands that. He he he will be rewarded for that here in Miami. Unlike other places where you have to reward different players, it don’t matter where you are, whether you were drafted or whether you were a lottery picker. No, no, no. You work harder than that guy and you’re going to earn more minutes and you’re going to get more opportunity. You’re going to get paid. And that’s how it is. That’s I mean what did UD always tell us is that you know what he helps those guys down the roster understand that there’s always an opportunity but it’s based on you and your work ethic and what you’re willing to put into it. And that’s a guy like Fonteo seems like he understands that from day one. Two other things that I like from his media session. He says that he watched a lot of Duncan Robinson over the last few years. Says that their skill sets are very similar. uh mentioned specifically like the way that Duncan got into his shots, created his shots off of the dribble handoffs, off the screens, the movement, shooting, all that stuff. And you know, you watch from Techio and that that comes through. They are kind of similar in that way. And then um he was asked a little bit about defensively what he could bring to the table and it was it was kind of insinuated like, hey, you’re not known for your defense. Is that something that you’re going to work on? And he kind of pushed back in a nice way, in a very polite, hey, just first time meeting the media here kind of way. But he’s like, “Look, I second year in Utah, I was guarding the best player on the other team every night.” So this now, I’m not going to sit here and tell you Fonte is an awesome defender. That did not come through during his uh this last season with Detroit, but I like the fact that he he he got some uh he put some pride in it and oftentimes that’s all you can ask. And what do we always say? Every player who comes from Miami, you immediately get 10% better defensively the minute you walk the door just because Eric Spolster is going to figure out a way to utilize you a little bit. So I like the addition. I liked that at the time. He was one of my favorite sort of like random trade deadline guys last last February. I thought he could go to another team and and really help a guy. And between Fonteo and Pal, I do think that Miami got a couple of in PAL certainly and in Fonteo potentially rotation guys uh that they added to the roster for sure. Um, yeah, it was uh it helps ease the loss of Duncan Robinson, but with a guy who again who’s willing to put in the work and has already studied what Robinson does, I we’re going to see the Ray Allen offensive package, right? I mean, we’re going to see a lot of those kind of same actions, a lot of floppy, etc., whatever, just to get him into those kind of open spots. It’s going to be uh it’s going to be really interesting. Really interesting. And I I think that he’s going to be a pretty decent addition. And like I I know that every time Miami played Detroit, he always had the random scrub heat killer aura about him because he was just that kind of guy. And he’s had some big moments here. He had a couple big games against Miami. But I I I think uh the potential certainly there and you know considering what you’re paying him for next season and what Duncan wound up getting from Detroit, I’d say it’s a pretty good addition to make up for the loss of Robinson and adds to that little uh international corner that we’ve been talking about in the locker room. You’ve got Pentecost, Pella Lararsson, uh, Yakonis, Nikolovic. You’ve got, uh, Twow- Way Vlad Vlad Golden in here. He’s got some like Russian heritage, I think, is is I don’t know how I don’t know ever lived overseas. I should probably look that up before I start talking about him. But, uh, yeah, little international corner there in the locker room. We like it. Um, that’ll do it for us today. Thanks for making Lockdown Heat your first listen. For your second listen, find the Locked on NBA podcast where there is no offseason. Doug, Matt, and Hayes keep you up to date on contract negotiations, rumors, and everything you need to be the most informed NBA fan. Find Locked on NBA on YouTube or wherever you listen the podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day.

The Miami Heat have some loose ends to tie up after the Norman Powell trade. What’s the latest on Tyler Herro’s extension talks and the restricted free agency of Golden State Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga?

Wes Goldberg and David Ramil break down the latest news around the Heat before reacting to Davion Mitchell and Simone Fontecchio’s latest comments about their long-term fits in Miami.

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1:30 Tyler Herro extension
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35 Comments

  1. Floor general are those guys. De'arron Fox!!! BAM// Mitchell recruit…Trade Wiggs for closer Demar straight up

  2. Can't pay him $40 million either, trade him… Rather you like what i do in the Playoffs or not 😂😂😂

  3. nobody hates on Heat players like Heat fans. grass is always greener on the otherside. that's how Heat fans get Terry Rozier. can you believe when i was pointing out how bad Rozier was playing at the beginning of last season, there were people arguing against it. all this to say, Herro ain't worth max but neither is Bam so if you're talking about trading Herro, trade Bam too. Herro won't get you the assets to change the roster. both Herro and Bam can get you what Heat fans keeping talking about.

  4. If I was Miami I would offer Hero 25-30 million then trade him for Trae young, booker, or brown from Boston. I see Hero like a 3rd person on a winning team. I think his value is like Ingram In Toronto. Would you rather have Hero or Austin Reeves? I think they want around the same money

  5. In reality hes worth somewhere around 35-40 million right now. I think it would be wise to lock him up right now for cheaper cause if he messes around and gets All-NBA next year then that gets really expensive. Now I believe he'll get anywhere between 40-50 million a year but definitely not less than 40 million. The Herro extension wouldn't kick in for 3 years too. By that time players will be signing contracts worth 70-80 million a year and maybe even 90 million for the best ones.

    Whats funny is this whole conversation is a repeat of the last time he got an extension and fans were all doom and gloom as well. They're saying the same thing too. "Hes not worth it" or "this will cripple the franchise for decades".

  6. Per usual David is full of sh*t to say Tyler hasn’t improved his game is a flat out lie. And he has taken strides to add to his game every year (free throw rate and drives to the basket) if anyone that’s someone that has shown you he will continue to work on his game. The playoffs is ridiculous it’s not some different league Tyler is capable of playing well. Again why isn’t bam asked to do more??? If and when Tyler’s extension is kicking in bam would already be making 50M+, why isn’t he looked at as the one that needs to take the leap as the franchise carrier , I’m sorry in 2025 you need to more than defense.
    Tyler with another good offensive player that’s better than him would show how handicapped he is here forced to do it all offensively.

    I’m saying all that with the expectations i think herro will be a 25-28 ppg and you’re getting him on a cheap deal compared to what other will be making.

  7. same people shitting on Tyler Herro were same ones saying he’ll never be an All-Star. They just keep doubting and they keep proving them wrong. Again you never hear this nitpicking when it’s time to speak about Bam, defense with no offense isn’t just as harmful when you’re in a prime position for mismatch hunting.

  8. The Heat fans are so unappreciative

    Bam and Herro represent Heat Culture to the fullest, want to be Heat lifers, have proven track records of fully preparing themselves for the season, and improving their games. Both went from bench players to All-Stars, who absolutely love the Heat fans and the Miami community. And are low-maintenance players.

    And all y'all have to say is they're not good enough, don't deserve max extensions, and want them traded.

    Who's not good enough is some Heat fans. Y'all are 🗑. Nobody hates on their own players better than some Heat fans

    Y'all want Giannis, who gets coaches fired, holds his team hostage by not signing an extension until they make moves that cost them picks, cap space and then he can't even consistently get them out of the first rd in recent years.

    Y'all want Anthony Edwards, who's so immature. He used a gay slur and will finish his career with more baby mama's than championships won

    Y'all want Luka, who's consistently overweight, doesn't take his conditioning seriously, plays absolutely no defense whatsoever, and looks and plays 10 years older than he actually is. Seriously, this dude looks and plays older than Lebron, who's 40, and Luka just turned 26

    Y'all want just about anyone other than the model franchise players you currently have. Smh

    Bam and Tyler are too classy and nice to say this. So I'll say what needs to be said to the ones this applies to, eff y'all.

  9. the disrespect and dismissiveness of Herro’s game is crazy especially he’s surrounded by no other offensive player. We legit watch every Heat game and when Herro leaves the court that team turns into a complete unorganized mess,

    It’s a constant circle with Herro stuff, ppl who hate him hold him to an unfair standard because of some past and effects how they see him when it’s clear as day he’s improving.

  10. Btw just because he’s eligible to get $50M doesn’t mean that’s what the Heat are going to give him and if they do then maybe wait for it…. He earned it.

    it pays to be a good employee who doesn’t piss ppl off around the organization, hostile to the coaching staff, shows ups to work and puts in work to get better every organization rewards that behavior.

  11. I do not disagree with your assestment of Herro's current skill set except the playmaking part of it. I'm not saying he's an elite playmaker but he's better than you're giving him credit for being. And getting better evey yr from my vantage point. And remember, he's not throwing it to the most prolific scorers in the NBA either. Herro defense is an issue because of his lack of girth not from a lack of effort. But he's only 26 yrs old. He will get bigger and stronger as he gets older. IMO

  12. Tyler was getting double teams all playoffs.. What was he to do? Pass it to Bam?😂 Heat fans are delusional, let’s see what Jaylen Brown does this year by himself and then we can talk

  13. I agree with David. He only plays offense. We missed a lot playoff games when we need him. I am not paying herro.

  14. Tyler Herro is a skilled scorer I wana see him develop more as a PG he should be better at running, setting up the offense and not just jackin up shots I wana see him take a step this year I know he's a true shooting guard but we play him alot at PG

  15. Thats crazy yeah let him go, let some other team pay 50 mill a year for him. 4 points in an elimination game… still have a bad taste in my mouth from that.

  16. I like Herro he’s a good player but I’ve said it before trade Herro now while his value is up. He’s not worth a max and his inconsistency drives me crazy. He’s has potential to be better but I believe he’s close to his ceiling. Trade him while he has decent value and not even deal with that extension.

  17. i hope some other team offers him 50m. i love tyler. he's improved playmaking the past year. a lot faster, quicker more decisive passes. but we simply cannot pay him superstar money when he's a one-way player that is STILL unproven in the playoffs. just like kuminga, expecting 30m when he cant even crack the starting lineup. dude already turned down 150m 5 year extension with gsw expecting someone would pay him more. WE CANNOT BE THAT SOMEONE. we need more davions who play hard, wants and is thankful to be here and at a price that allows us to build depth

  18. i think fontecchio will give us quality minutes. good size. surprisingly quick for his size. can stretch the floor. and works hard. im betting he becomes one of spos favorites

  19. If they miss the opportunity to ship a 25 year old all star (who has probably peaked) at the height of his value smh sad shit man

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