Is Trading Ayo Dosunmu for Austin Reaves a GOOD Idea? | CHGO Bulls Podcast

Is Trading Ayo Dosunmu for Austin Reaves a GOOD Idea? | CHGO Bulls Podcast

What up, Bulls Nation? We’ve got a live CS show Bulls Pot coming up for y’all right around the corner. On today’s show, the Lakers want Io Dumu. Should the Bulls engage in trade talks? Plus, NBA Cup, the Bulls group was announced. Lachlan Olrich, deep dive. We haven’t talked about the second round pick too much. He’s going to go play in summer league. We’re going to break him down today. And then if we got some time remaining, the first Bulls win total overunder number was released yesterday. What? Join us. What’s going on, Bulls Nation? Welcome in to the CHO Bulls podcast coming to you live from our studios here in West Loop downtown Chicago. Unpacked Bulls_pack. That is a big day. Bam bam bam. BWL sports will go perfectly quafted will_ly. And sitting in for Katie today, the king of the controls rarely seen around these bulls podcast. More of a jester. Hey, the one and only Steven Nicholas. Anytime I do a show other than the bears, I get that. Oh, yeah. He’s he’s going down from his throne on bears. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He He wanted to come by and talk Jimmy Bowler. What’s the air up there like? Oh, god. I mean, what air thin highly polluted. He’s got to listen to Brag Scream all day, every day. But yeah, talk about a actual ivory tower. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Prison and there’s a golden prison. That’s right. Shout out to everybody hanging out with us on YouTube. If you’re in that chat, go ahead and hit that like button, which I saw somebody already did. Uh, shout out to whoever it was. The man lantern with a pre-show like. Appreciate you. Out, sir. Um, Mike Grom asking, “Is the episode title real possibility or just more summer talk?” Well, uh, there were actual words reported about Lakers calling the Bulls about IO. So, we’ll talk about that in a little bit, but first, uh, because this was news that dropped earlier today with the NBA Amazon Prime mashup video collab with good old Blake Griffin and recent NBA champion Chad Homegrren just doing some summer chatting. $250 million man Chad Homegrren. Shout out. Was that yesterday that that contract got dropped? That was today, wasn’t it? Today. Oh, right. Um, Paulo was the other day and then Yeah. Yeah. So, shout out to Jet on that new money and this new commercial advertising the NBA Emirates Cup. D’Angelo, what up? Um, which like I kind of forgot about the whole Amazon thing until I was like, “Oh, right. You’re right. Blake Griffin.” You’re right. Is he going to be involved with the I believe Blake Griffin is going to be on like part of their broadcast. Incredibly random appearance by Blake. I was like, what? Also, Durk they announced Dirk is involved. Yes. I mean, shout out to our pals. Hey, you got to be that. Yes. uh is yeah Taylor Rooks also great. Um so they announced at the end of that the groups for the various uh East and Western Conference uh NBA Emirates Cup Bulls got drawn into group C with the New York Knicks, Milwaukee Bucks, Miami Heat. Shout out Stephen and not a Heat fan. Yes, you are. I’m a Jimmy Butler fan. Heat jersey. I have a Timberwolves one, too. Do you have a jersey of a Heat player? Yes, he does. I’ve seen him wear a former Heat player. Yeah. And uh the Charlotte Hornets rounding out that group C with the Bulls. Gentlemen, the Bulls actually came to game three of the group stage of the NBA Cup last season and it was a win and scenario to advance. Yes. But they lost that game. I think it was Boston, right? Yes. uh who they had played evenly with in a just plain old regular season game recently and still lost but played evenly uh and then they fall short. So they have yet to advance out of the group stage in the NBA Emirates Cup. When you take a look at their group this year, what’s your initial thought? Going to advance, yes or no? Uh you got the in there. When I saw Heat and Hornets, I said, “Oh, okay. They got a shot to do.” And then I saw Knicks. Then I said, “Oh, okay. I see where it stops now. So, but it’s a game with stakes, Dave. So, we lose all of those to Miami. Yeah. Well, in a game of stakes, the Bulls are vegan. Um, yeah, man. They I I think they obviously the Hornets, I think they could beat, and I think they compete against the Heat in a regular season game like that. Mhm. I just don’t know about the Knicks and I definitely am not sure about the Bucks because if Giannis wants it like he wants it, I don’t know who’s standing in his way uh on a Bulls team or on most teams about that young man doing what he wants to do. They got a shot though uh to do something. We’ll see how it looks cuz the season starts I believe on the 24th of October. So we’ll we’ll have a good idea, you know what I’m saying, as to what this Bulls team is. As I’ve said a million times, we’ll find out about the Bulls very early on in the season and we’ll find out how much this means to them winning something because I’m sure honestly I’m this is my opinion. I think it means something to AK and Mark Evley for them to go deep in this tournament and actually win something because the Bulls, you know, haven’t been winning, you know, so to get them something some kind of trophy, some kind of uh recognition on a national stage that’s positive, I think they’ll be more than willing to take that. Absolutely. And like you look at some of these groups and it just reminds you how like watered down the Eastern Conference is this year. Obviously the Cavs are going to be really dominant I think in the regular season in particular, but they’ve shown the last two years in the playoffs that they have some weaknesses that they have not yet figured out how to overcome. Uh this is group A. Cavs, Pacers, Hawks, Raptors, Wizards. Like the Hawks I think will take a step forward this year. The Pacers I think will take a big step back without Hallebertton or Miles Turner. Who knows what the Raptors are going to be. the Wizards are going to be tanking. Like I think the Cavs come out of that one and then you have in group B the Celtics, Pistons, Magic, Nets, and 76ers. Will the 76ers like be a normal team next year or they will will they try to lose their last 35 games in a row again as they did last year? They did masterfully this past season. Um the Magic I think are going to take a big step forward. The Pistons I think could take a big step forward. The Celtics are going to take a big step back. So there’s just like not a lot of teams that really stand out in the East in general. I think the Knicks are clearly the class of group C for whatever that’s worth. Uh the Bucks I think are one of those teams where yes, they’re going to have the best player in most nights, but they are going to have probably like one out of the next best 10 players. Like they just don’t have any depth. Um Miami I think is going to be like sneakily better than last year just with some of their additions and the depth that they’ve had. Uh the Hornets are going to be going for the bottom again. So I don’t know. I think like what’s interesting about the Bulls is that they play this style of basketball that really puts opponents on their heels. They’re constantly putting pressure on teams. Uh but they don’t have another gear. They’re playing at their highest gear throughout the regular season. And that can catch some teams off guard. But in these games that are quote unquote like more meaningful if teams are taking it seriously, like they they won’t have that same advantage. And so, will they be able to like jump on the Bucks uh early on in the season and like surprise them with their pace and their tempo and win a game as they did last year? Probably. Like, that won’t that won’t surprise me. But like in these group stage games, is that going to be the case? I don’t know. Yeah. And I mean, you’re mentioning the Bucks. I mean, they’re a team that’s already, you know, won one of these also, right? If I’m not mistaken. I think they got a victory. No. So Lakers got to the finals. Lakers in the Pacers, I believe, were in the finals once. Yeah. Uh with this all last year. Well, so I know the Lakers won the inaugural one because they made a big deal about hanging the banner and we all laughed at him. We did. And then the Bucks and the Rockets last year. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So the Bucks have one already. Um so yeah, I I don’t see why Giannis wouldn’t be inspired to, you know, go for two. And again, it’s a lot of money on the line for your teammates and everything and including yourself uh with this along with the pride that comes with actually winning. So, and I know it means something to the Bulls players, too. Uh and that’s why I’d like to see how they kind of come out and and play this game. You mentioned them running up and down the floor. Um cuz scoring is going to be huge. You know what I’m saying? and margin of victory is going to be a big thing because you remember the Bulls struggled with knowing that last time when they played the Celtics and the Bulls said that’s not nice you ran up to score on us and the Celtics are like them the rules. Yeah. Actual quotes. Yeah. Yes. That was paraphrasing to be clear but yeah but but that’s what happened and now the Bulls a team who who is definitely want to run and get out there that I don’t want them to let up. You know what I like if they get a if they get the hornets in that choke code like keep going. You know what I’m saying? Keep going on them. We’ll see if they are able to do that and if they can do that. But I think it’s a it’s a good thing for this kind of team to win this kind of thing just because of where the Bulls are like struggling to get the 500, struggling to find an identity. Um not great, you know what I’m saying, a news that comes out of that all the time. Um just a lot of things that haven’t worked out right for this team in a decade. So this would be good for them. They could and you know man they would hang their hat on something exactly like this which terrifies me. Correct. But it would be but looking at it from a perspective just for the players to you know get something uh like this. I think it would be great for them man. Like I think it would do something to their chest, you know, like kind of poke it out and swell it up a little bit more if they could even get to the finals of of something like this, man, and just be on that grand national stage for everybody to actually speak well about you. The Pacers are the immediate team that comes to mind because I remember when they went to that tournament, man, and just how much Tyrese Hallebertton was immediately put on the map, right? Um and look at them. Nobody was taking the Pacer seriously. And and honestly, I mean, like, yes, that put them on the map a little bit. You know, Shelbyville, shout out Simpsons, uh the Montreal episode, check out him. Uh and like even still, when they went all the way to the finals and people still weren’t fully taking the Pacers seriously. But I do still see your point of like look, anytime the Bulls come up in the national media, NBA landscape of conversations, it’s usually them getting laughed at or people saying, “I don’t know what the heck they’re doing.” Yes, correct. Hello. It would maybe change things if the Bulls were a team that made it to the Final Four and were in Vegas and were around NBA national media and being talked about for good reasons. Yeah. As opposed to what most of the past few years have been. Yeah. And and just getting that kind of young team around that stuff, which is something they’re not used to, you know what I mean? Getting them around that getting kind of acclimated. And again, it’s a missy’s turn. We know what it is. You know what I mean? It’s not like, oh god, you know this. But it’s just because of who they are, you know, how they’ve struggled. I think it would mean a lot. I think as this goes on though, it will have more meaning. Like when it’s a new thing, I think people are like, “Oh, this is, you know, mid-season tournament. It’s like not that interesting, not that important.” And the more years that go by, the more ingrained it is into the NBA season. And I think the more value it has, teams are going to take it more seriously. It will be more like known and respected, I think, by the fans. So yeah, making it advancing to the final four or even to like the knockout stages, that’s I think gonna do a lot for the Bulls and just like their perception around the league. I do think that sometimes, saying this carefully, I think sometimes the Bulls will just get criticized no matter what they do because they’re the Bulls. And this is the kind of thing that I think could put like get their best foot forward a little bit in terms of like, okay, they’re not just like the laughing stock in this way. And I’m not saying they don’t deserve it or that, you know, I just think sometimes like they can do something and even if it is maybe a decent move, like I thought the Lavine trade was like a fine trade. They didn’t get like killed on that, but there was a lot of commentary about how that was a terrible trade because they gave up their best player and blah blah blah. And I think this is the kind of thing that could help offset some of that. I I I would mostly agree with that sentiment. I think there are some pockets of people who talk about the Bulls, whether they be fans, podcasters, bloggers, uh, and and even media who only say negative things because it’s like just been ingrained in them for years. I think like the national media in particular, there’s like I cannot remember the last time somebody in the national media said something that wasn’t negative about the polls. Fair. It’s been a minute since there’s been reason to say something positive. Yeah, and I agree with that, too. I’m just saying this would be the kind of thing that could help Yeah. like make them seem like they are a more serious young team building towards something, right? Uh shout out to Fine Day in the comments who meanwhile said, “Dave’s optimism is the strongest force in the world. We got to have some of that around here, y’all. Regardless of what the Bulls are up to?” Um uh so, okay. Yay. NBA Cup, I guess. I’m still not fully bought into this being a thing. But you still don’t like the cup? You have you enjoyed it like watching it? Like, has it been a thing? I I don’t believe that the players see it as something with higher stakes. So, as a fan, why should I care? I I feel like they do. I feel like I feel like they’ve stepped up in those moments, especially once you get to Vegas. Like Zion having his coming out party in that one game I thought was a really fun storyline in the NBA. The Pacers making it as far as they did. Um they did they lose to the Bucks? Is that what happened? I think so. Like, but that like was But again, we can’t remember who won the Bucks. So, how is this really all that important of a thing? That’s a fair take. The Bucks one. You know, we can name NBA champions every year dating back to the 80s. Dave, I know you can. I certainly can. Yes. 70. That’s what crazy junky NBA fans can do because what do we remember? Winners who win at winning cuz like NBA cup. I do agree with I do agree with goat. Like the more this goes on though, like the more it’s going to matter to people. it won’t matter to us. You know what I’m saying? Like it’s not we’re going to Yeah. We’re not going to use it in arguments as to why somebody’s better than someone. It’s like the playin tournament. Like it’s going to matter more. It’s Nobody thinks making the playin is like a great thing, but like is a fun experience, he said physiciously. But it’s it’s a fun viewing experience. The whole like NBA ecosystem gets excited about it and like they’re fun games and I think that’s really all it is. But but the players do show up for that money to the money. Let’s love money. Let’s knock out a couple of ads. Speaking of money, and then we’ll come back and dive into this uh recent report that’s got Iodumu being eyed by the LA Lakers. Hit that like. Listen to some ads. Sunnyside Cannabis Dispensary. It’s your home for judgment free cannabis shopping. A place where all kinds of visitors are welcome to explore, discover, and purchase a wide array of highquality hydroponics in the city. They’ve got everything you’re going to need to elevate your summer, winter, spring, and falls. Your one-stop shop for all your cannabis needs, y’all. They’ve got that expertly curated menu, over 100 strains to choose from, plus easy online ordering and intore pickup. You can visit sunnyside.shop for Bright Buys every day, including 50% off your first three online purchases. 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While you’re clicking things on your phones or your screens, hit the like button while you’re at it. So, in case you missed it, this came via Anthony Irwin of uh Clutch Points who said, quote, “Sources say Matis Styel, Marcus Smart, though most teams are watching to see if he’s going to be bought out. Iodumu and others are names the Lakers have had preliminary conversations with teams about availability and price, though no offers have been made.” Uh, again, that is Anthony Irwin of Clutch Points the other day. So Iodumu’s name pops up in a report that is about the Lakers trying to beef up their roster. Um, this is the first IO related trade talk we’ve heard in a while. Yeah. And we were talking from outside sources. From outside sources. We’ve been talking plenty in the early part of the off season about like they, you know, they got Kobe, IO, Giddy, they resigned Lonzo, we got all these guards, Javon Carter still here. It would make sense for the Bulls to field calls and take the best offer on one of Kobe or IO theoretically if they were trying to adjust the number of you know people at each spot on their depth chart. But so we talked about possibly teams who could use an Iumu but this is the first from outside sources as you said goat who there is a team out there that’s calling the bulls. The reporting was the Lakers have had preliminary conversations with teams about availability. So you can deduce at least a call has been made from the Lakers to the Bulls about IO. What what’s the initial reaction Dave? Uh that they’ve received these calls. Yeah. Got a lot of guards. Do it. Wait, just before we get Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Is it that they have made a call? Like my read of that was that like he is saying that people within the Lakers have talked about guys that they might be able to go after and that IO has been a name that’s popped up. I didn’t really read this as like they’ve called the bulls about IO. Although we have heard we have heard reporting from Casey Johnson that IO is potentially one of the more getable guys on that is true. Yeah, that was something Casey tweeted within the last week or so. Yeah, I I definitely took it as that they have made calls. Okay. And cuz when do I not know the Lakers to do those kind of things? That that’s how I read it’s like yeah it’s the Lakers. Of course they’re making calls. Yeah. You know what I mean? Of course they got a 40-year-old LeBron being like hey do something. Exactly dog. We got a 40-year-old LeBron problem we got to take care of. Like Rob Pelica cannot wait to get to summer league, you know what I mean? And start talking to people. It just feels like the Lakers way um to make these conversations. So I’m not to answer your question, I’m not surprised that the Lakers are reaching out trying to make these conversations and make things happen. I am surprised that the Bulls picked up the phone. Like I’m a little surprised at that cuz I’m not used to hearing them, you know, be a part of stuff like this. You don’t hear the the leakage come out, you know, as far as the Bulls are concerned like any when it comes to anything. We didn’t know about the Lonzo or or Coral trade. You didn’t hear about it until it happened. You didn’t know about the Alice Caruso Josh Giddy trade until it happened. Um, you heard, you know, they they other teams that want to give them stuff, but you heard that after, right, all that kind of things went down. So, hearing this come out like that is part for the course for the Lakers, but not the Bulls in my opinion. Yeah. I mean, I I think like IO’s a really good fit with the Lakers. I think that’s part of the reason why. I mean, you think about the players that they mentioned, defensive guards who can be switchable, versatile, um, play a little bit with the ball in their hands, but also play off the ball. This is a Lakers team who has three very ball dominant players in Austin Reeves, Luca, and LeBron. obviously like those guys are going to have the ball in their hands the vast majority of the time and they need guys that can attack close outs, defend, switch um and score when the opportunity for them to take advantage of openings is available and IO really fits the bill. On top of that, he’s making $7.5 million this year, which is a really like palatable contract for a team like the Lakers who is uh hardcapped at the first apron, but right now $5.6 million away from the first apron. So, if you’re talking about them as a shooter for IO, I think he makes sense. I think it’s just a matter of like what would the Bulls get back in return. Um, when you asked Dave about this before we went on like is Austin Reeves possibility? My response was hate to tell you exactly what he said. Probably not. Um, I think I think Reeves to them is like, you know, a foundational piece. He’s he’s he was a 20 points per game scorer last season and he’s really good with the ball in his hands. He’s improved. He’s a success story internally as an undrafted guy. Um, like I I think they’re going to keep him around. And I think he’s the only reason he hasn’t extended yet is because he’s in the same boat as Kobe where his extension number is so low that it’s just not worth him signing it. And so he’s going to probably get like a $30 million contract next summer. Um, and I imagine that that is kind of how it goes with him. 30 million average annual salary. Correct. Right. Cuz similar his his contract numbers right now are very similar to Kobe’s. uh the 25 26 season he is under contract and he’s going to make just shy of 14 million. Uh and the player option for 2627 just shy of 15 million is why it makes sense that he would decline the extension off of those figures cuz he is worth more than that. Yeah, it makes logical sense for sure. I think what the reason I even asked the question was for one for that decline like huh is there a possibility and for two I know teams are going to definitely be available uh for a guy of Austin Reeves stature and his skill. This is a dude who also in addition to being a guy who can carry a team with LeBron James on it. I watched him carrying them to wins. A dude who’s not scared in that fourth quarter to take those big shots and win those games. Almost a game-winning layup over the Bulls. Boom. Right there. Then Josh Kitty said no sir. half court cash. Um, but yeah, man. Like, so I wanted to know is I get from the financial point of him making this decision, but looking at it from a basketball side, I’m like, is he also maybe he wants to test that water a little bit too just to see what his worth is. Obviously, he doesn’t want to go past LA. I get that. It’s La La Land. Who wants to leave? I get it. You don’t want to do it, Jerry. I get it. He doesn’t want to go. But to do that and to not test and know your worth, I think he’d be doing himself a disservice. So that’s why I asked this question. Let’s say they can’t come to that agreement on a number or something like that. Does that make this trade like, you know what, I’m not sure he’s going to kind of want to be here. Maybe we should look, you know what I’m saying, to move for a guy like I Dumu who is I feel like definitely more stable uh in his contract negotiations and kind of what he wants to do. But I’m not saying Austin’s doing good business. You know what I’m saying? in a smart business and making the right moves. But it did bring up that question for me. Uh what kind of player will he does he think he is? And I want to know what does he think his worth is not to the Lakers but to the NBA. Yeah. And I think I just think that he’s like a foundational piece for them moving forward. Like I think by the time they’re going to need to pay him, obviously LeBron is on the last year of his deal. A lot of money is going to be coming off their books. They’re kind of set up to reorient around Luca. Um, you know, they’ve brought in some other guys, but they’ve got Rehachur’s 18 million coming off the books next year. LeBron’s 52, Maxi Cleb is 11. Um, Gabe Vincent’s 11 and a half. Like, all that money is coming off the books next year. They’re going to set up set themselves up to be players not only to pay their guys, but also to look in free agency and see if they can bring in more talent. So to me it would be more how do we complement if I’m the Lakers, how do we complement our core of LeBron, Luca, and Austin Reeves with a defensive player that can be switchable um and also play off of those guys. Okay. Uh on the offensive end. So I I think IO works well for them. It’s just a matter of like what is what are you getting back for the Bulls? And that’s where things get a little tricky to me, dicey to me. Um because the Lakers just don’t have a lot of assets. If you look at their picks right now, they’ve got this year’s pick, 2028, 2030, 31, and 32. Uh the only second round pick that they have is 2032. They can’t trade this year’s pick. They cannot trade 2028 pick, and they cannot trade 2030 because of the Steppian rule. They they’re not allowed to trade multiple uh picks in back-to-back years. So, like, you’re talking about a 2031 or 2032 first round pick. And like one, I just don’t think Arurus has shown any interest in picks that are that far down the line. I was going to say you just said the word pick or picks a bunch of times and I was sitting here thinking to myself, well, I AK’s not interested. Yeah. And I think especially not in picks that are that far in the future cuz they’re so far away from being able to help him and hopefully he won’t be here. And then and then you look at some of the players that they have. Like I I think what would make it interesting is if you did the Lakers a favor by taking on a little bit more money, whether that’s in terms of dollars this year or years on the contract, um to get, you know, uh Dalton Connect or another young player, I don’t think you’re going to get a future first round pick or even a swap with the Lakers. So, it’s like really is taking on, you know, Jared Vanderbilt’s three years at 11 and a half million to get Daltton Connect and giving up IO worth it or would you rather just hang on to IO? And for me, I think Connect’s like pretty overrated. He’s also like really a year a year younger than IO only. It’s not like he’s, you know, Yeah. So, was a rookie last year, but for the NBA old super old. Yeah. Um, and I think he’s I think he’s like a good scorer who would probably help the Bulls in just in terms of their shooting and the way that they want to play, but I just don’t think he’s as good as I. And so I’m not like necessarily excited about taking on more money. Um, although he is on a rookie scale deal for three more years, taking on more money to invest in him. There is also the other wrinkle of the trade deadline trade that didn’t go through that connect was involved with the Mark Williams trade and you know it the reporting I as I recall came out eventually that like there was maybe an issue with Mark Williams passing his physical and it was the Lakers who pulled out of that trade, right? But it all just like connect was in there and the Lakers were ready to say goodbye to Dalton Connect. They did say goodbye to him, right? And then he came, well, this is awkward obviously. But so it kind of makes you as a Bulls fan wonder if you’re talking about that being a piece and like the Bulls adding, you know, a front court piece who is maybe not young in goats eyes, but you know, he’s younger than BC. Uh if you’re, you know, talking about specific people you can add in and not that he’s like the answer uh for the Bulls front court long term necessarily, but like why did the Lakers not want him after drafting him? And like you remember like LeBron went on some like verbal parade about how great Connect was early on and how they like stole him how far he fell in the draft. I remember this. And then it’s like but then you turn around and you’re trying to trade him halfway through his rookie year. Like what’s up with that? Yeah. Like even in even in this trade I I wouldn’t do it specifically because I think because of the age Dton Connect is someone you get when you’re ready to win. And when you’re someone at that age that he is going into year two, that means you’re like, well, your your span is a little short. You know what I mean? So, I need you, as far as my team is concerned, need them to be on the cusp of playoffs or the cusps of actually being ready to win. Then the trade would make sense to me because I’m like, “Oh yeah, the Bulls, you know what I mean? They make that six seed, you know what I mean? They really need some shooting. Okay, I get that. Let’s make this move.” It would be like getting a Desmond Bane or something like that. Obviously not the same players or the same magnitude, but it would be like that. Like, oh, I’m short this. All right, let’s go ahead and do that. We can do these things. But right now, as to where they are, no, absolutely not. I wouldn’t do this. And yeah, maybe. Yes, everybody knows I love I Dumu. I don’t want to ever trade Dumu. But for this reason for sure with a guy like Dalton Connect, man, you have to be telling me you’re either ready to win or you’re going to the Washington Wizards or you’re going to the Charlotte Hornets or you’re going to one of those teams if you’re Dton Connect. But being with the Lakers and you see what the Lakers are trying to do, that’s a win. So that’s why he’s there right now and that’s why they didn’t think he could help them win. They sent him to Charlotte. That’s how that happens, man. So don’t do this trade. I I absolutely would not do this. I don’t think it would make sense for me. Now, is there a way where the Lakers are looking for a center? Is there a way where you could attach VU and IO together and that opens up the ability to take back a little bit more money just like playing around with the cap sheets? Like you would probably have to take back Gabe Vincent, Maxi Kleba, and connect get some money off of the Lakers books. Like is that a better deal? you get expiring salary, you get connect and maybe like a second round pick or something. I just like to me you’re just like trading guys for the sake of trading guys at that point, right? And I just don’t feel like you’re you’re not getting better and you’re not setting yourself up any better. Yeah. You’re just unless you’re a really big D connector. 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Uh people in the comments chiming in on how they view this trading IO thing. Fine day said DD connect can’t even get numbers in summerly. Uh IO had moments where he won the Bulls games. They are not the same. I think Don just put up 25. Uh sports Chicago style saying if you’re not keeping Iowa, you got to get assets for him. But Acme though the manlander and if you trade I get a player and a pick AK. I know you hate picks, AK, but damn it, cannot pick for once. Um, I think I think an interesting Oh, do we have more? Well, yeah. And then also I wanted to give a shout out to a super chat from Sunny Lamont. She said, “Hello from Alaska. What up, Sunny?” Alaska. If we trade Iowa, it will hurt cuz he’s such a great defender. The Lakers would fleece us. They They have nothing good. Go Bulls. Shout out Sunny. Uh Alaska in the summertime. Sunny and beautiful. Yeah, sun barely ever sets. True. This is true. Uh, what were you going to say, Goat? I guess I’m I’m curious like what you guys think about Io’s value and and how just in general and how that maybe compares to what the league views him as? Because to me, like I wonder would you if we do like sort of a weird exercise, but like would you trade IO for the 30th pick in the draft? Would you trade IO for the 29th pick in the draft? Would you trade him for the 28th or the 27th? Like at what point do you say yes? you talking specifically about like the 2026 NBA draft or just like just like generally NBA draft pick a first round pick a late that late late first round pick I wouldn’t feel great about trading Iodum away for that and I don’t think that like a team like I don’t know like would you trade him for the 20th pick or the 22nd pick like it’s just hard to get Yeah. And I just don’t and I don’t think and I don’t think the team who is, you know, seventh or eighth in the Western Conference is giving up their first round pick for him. So yeah, I think this is another example like Kobe, like Giddy, like Demar, like Zack, where this guy is more valuable to the Bulls than he is to the other teams. And so even though he’s a good player, it’s just hard to get value for him. and you not only do you need value for him, you need excess value because that’s the only that’s the only way Arturus is going to pull the trigger, right? So to me, I just don’t see like there can be reporting and maybe Arurus actually is uh shopping IO, but I just don’t see a world where these guys actually get moved because like IO is not going to be like as valuable to the Lakers as he is to the Bulls. And he’s also like Kobe entering the final year of what has been a pretty team friendly deal. Yeah. But so and that’s you know like they waited to trade Alex Guso on a team that was going nowhere and you know instead of getting what they got had they traded him earlier. That’s the result. Same thing with Demar. Our guy Colin who’s always around in the comments saying I would sign a team friendly deal a hometown discount in Chicago next offseason. I’m not sure he would. I wouldn’t want to cuz you know what this past three-year deal IO signed was based on how well he played through the you know first part of his rookie contract as a second round pick he grossly overperformed what he got paid and then waited through all of the dominoes to fall in free agency and in late July signed what was another team friendly deal. Yeah, but that’s kind of my point though is like what is IO on another team? Like is he a starting is he fifth best starter? Is he a seventh man? I think he could be better than your fifth best starter on a good team. Yeah. Like, you know, like Austin Reeves, he is a combo guard. He can bring the ball up the floor and run your offensive sets for you. He can also play off the ball. Uh and and like I know his three-point shooting dipped a bit this past season. The season before that, he was a 40% three-point shooter. Yeah. And I would put his defense above Austin Reeves defense. Yeah. So, like, yes, I think I can not only be a useful player, but a good starter and not just a good starter on the Bulls. Yeah, I agree. I think he fits on all 20 all 30 NBA teams uh in any kind of capacity in any kind of role. Sure, some of them you’re going to ask him to do more, but I think that’s I think that’s kind of what I’m saying and not speaking for you, but it feels like what Matt is saying, like even if you ask him for more, you he’ll give it to you. And he’s done it here for the Bulls. Even when they asked him for more scoring, when he was having those opportunities, I remember when he dropped 30. I remember when he was dropping in the high uh 20s as far as scoring is concerned. I remember when they asked him just to play defense and he did that where I started calling him the warden. Like the dude can do anything that you need him to do on the floor. You want him to create his own shot? Fine. Give me the ball. I’mma fast break it myself up the floor and I’m gonna get this lay in. All that stuff is valuable, you know what I’m saying, to any NBA team, including his IQ, including the off the- court stuff. All of these things kind of play into the entire package of Ayodumu. I think I agree with you with be it being more valuable here in Chicago because for him being a local uh a local uh player, it values more. You know what I’m saying? And he loves being here in Chicago, which everybody should. Um but also it means more just from him being here. So he’s more plugged into the city, more plugged into the community, more plugged into certain uh people. So it values more here. But that’s still a value anywhere because that part of you doesn’t change even though you go somewhere else. It just means it kind of grows. You know what I mean? So yeah, his value might be more here, but even if he went to Brooklyn, he that value would still be that. Even if he went to LA, that value would still be that. Like I was really that good of a basketball player on and off the floor. I think I was a very good player and I think I don’t want to like take anything away from him. I I’ve spent the last several years talking about how I think I was really good. Yeah. So, this is not like criticizing him at all, but I don’t think other teams are trading for him to be a starter. I think they’re trading for him to be a really good depth piece that can fit in and do all this stuff that you’re talking about and that I’m agreeing he can do uh to add to their depth. But like you just you’re not giving up first round picks in this NBA environment for bench players. You’re just not you’re not giving up like late team picks. But so there were reports that the Bulls could have cashed in on such offers had they traded Alex Caruso before they did and with a different team. Like that is a role player on a good team and that good team targeted that role player they wanted and were able to get away with saying here’s this guy that we decided doesn’t really fit in our team. You want him for Alex Cruso? But like Alex is one of the greatest defenders in the league and maybe like one of the best defenders of the generation. Like IO is not that. And I think like even Reeves, he averaged 26 and five last year. Like he’s way better. And again, that’s not like a criticism of IO. It’s just like I do think at a certain point and it’s natural because we’re the ones that are locked in on all the Bulls games. Like we tend to overrate these guys. And I think that’s probably what the front office does too. they feel like these guys are better than maybe they are. And that’s why it’s hard to strike a deal because you’re not feeling like you’re getting value up to what he’s providing for you. And so to me, I guess the point that I’m trying to make is like I don’t think a team is trading for IO to be one of their starting players, unless it’s like the Bucks who are just like in an extremely weird spot. But even still, if they are trading for him, it’s not going to be first round picks because they don’t have any until 2031, 2032. And like these are teams that are only trading for stars and then they get, you know, DeAndre Aiden on a buyout or, you know, these like random players that just fall into their laps because that’s who they are. And they have star players that other guys want to come play with. This is a team, the Lakers, other teams like this. They’re not teams that are giving up their 2031 first round pick for their fifth or sixth or seventh guy in their rotation. They’re giving it up for the guy to replace Drew Holiday and go get Damen Lillard. they’re giving it up for, you know, Luca Donic and that’s just not so I don’t think that there’s going to be an offer out there unless you’re a really big fan of connect that really makes sense for the and you know that’s the thing like if you think connect is a great piece that you want to add then maybe if you’re AK you entertain that. But what again all of this talk about picks and what the Lakers have to offer or maybe other teams have to offer and how they would value a player like IO and what they’d be willing to give up. If AK is not interested in acquiring draft picks because he’s refusing to admit that this is a team in rebuild mode, then you’re not concerning yourself with any kind of draft picks talk on the offer for IO. It’s what players coming back and is that player better for the Chicago Bull system that AK and Billy are trying to build than IO Dumu is and paying IO another contract as this one is, you know, due to expire at the end of this upcoming season to stick around because he’s the player you want to keep. And like when you are trying to when another team is trying to trade for IO to bolster their bench, they’re a really good team, right? Yeah. It’s the Lakers, they have championship aspirations. It’s the Bucks. They have Giannis. They just like made a huge move for Mouser. They’re teams that are trying to win at a high level. They’re not giving away a player who’s better than IO back to the Bulls, right? They need those guys. They want to keep those guys. And so, if Arus isn’t getting a better player back or a player that at least like makes more sense for what he’s trying to do, then a trade is just not going to happen. And that’s why we’ve seen two trades in the last, you know, year, right? And it’s why, you know, there was some report, I can’t remember if it was going back to Vu and or Zach trade reports, trade rumors and stuff back in the day, but it was like AK’s looking for an all-star caliber player back and it was like you don’t do allstar for all-star trades. You do draft pick for allstar. Like that’s but that’s how the economy in the NBA works. It’s like there are rebuilding teams and there are competing teams. The competing teams trade their picks to the rebuilding teams and the rebuilding teams trade their good players to the contending teams and that’s how the cycle moves. Can you just jot that down and you know paper airplane it down the street to the advocate center real quick. What do they trade for retooling the street? But that’s why it’s so hard to retool. That’s the whole reason why I’ve said it’s very difficult if not impossible to build through the middle because it’s hard to do business with those teams. You’re not accumulating picks. Okay, fine. Then you got to get players. But you can’t accumulate good players if you haven’t first accumulated good picks. So it’s just a really challenging balancing act and that’s why we haven’t seen a lot of activity. And that’s why I don’t think we’re going to see a lot of activity. Yeah. I will say this, the one way I think it makes sense is if you are attaching other money. So now in the NBA, now they’re back in. Come on now. We’re so back. So in the NBA now, all these teams cannot afford to have any bad contracts, right? Or they have cap space aspirations. They want to become players in a certain amount of time. The Bulls have expiring contracts who have low cap holds. I was a low cap hold, right? So, in theory, if you attached IO to Patrick Williams, could you get a player who’s making 25 or $28 million, save the other team a little bit of money um this year, but have them take on long-term money to help you get off of Patrick? Or maybe it’s the other way around. you attach IO to VOC and you get you’re sending out two expiring contracts for guys that like you can’t generate a ton of value for around the league individually, but maybe if you take back a bad salary that’s worth a little bit more than those two combined, like $30 million or so for two years, maybe that gets you a pick. And again, you have to value picks in order for that to work. But that’s the kind of deal where I do think it works as opposed to let’s trade IO to the highest bidder, let’s trade Alex to the highest bidder. those those type of deals don’t typically and that’s why we’ve only seen four player for player swaps in the last however many years. We talked about that, right? Like where are the Bulls? But that’s that’s why that’s why those are so rare. Yeah. If you’re talking about deals that are maybe more leaning towards the Bulls in their you know their pocketbooks. Let’s also keep in mind it was reported that just on draft night not that long ago the Lakers sent the Bulls $2.5 million for the 45th pick. gas considerations, baby. Speaking of that second round, let’s get it. Let’s now uh transition to talk about the Bulls second round pick who they took when they traded down to 55th and that is the Australian prospect Lachlan Olrich and uh it was discovered in a recent was it the trip write up that had the deets on his nickname or go did he guys did he talk about yesterday in uh in practice yesterday? It’s just short for they call him Locky. I like Locky. Some I guess he was saying like when he says it with an Australian accent it sounds more like lucky and so some people have some like Americans have called that start calling him lucky as a result of that but it’s lock it makes me think of the Loch Ness monster. I know but is whose nickname is actually I think Bessie maybe. Yes, you’re right. Locky is like Loch Ness Loch Ness which like put that in a basketball in a bowl jersey and let him cause some havoc. There’s a t-shirt. Yeah. Uh but so we we haven’t talked a lot about Lachlan yet uh since they took him with the 55th pick. So we thought because we’re going to get a look at him in summer league that we would take a little closer look at what he did before getting drafted. And there’s some pretty impressive stuff on his resume uh with both uh the NBL Hawks and then also the New Zealand NBL Canterbury Rams. He was an MVP of that New Zealand league. He was there which is pretty impressive. He was there. But so like I guess the question is like we were discussing a draft and stash. Mark Eversley even said that was a possibility. He did uh as the Bulls had that second round pick heading towards the draft and we were talking about the 15man roster and how it was already looking pretty jam-packed. But like they brought Lachlan along with Noah Asenay on the Chicago boat summer tour. Put that on their socials. He’s around. He’s a part of the summer league squad. makes you kind of think that they’re I I mean what do you how do you read that go? Like is this a guy who’s gonna spend most of his time with Windy City? Like what do you see his future looking like? Yeah, I think he’s going to spend his time with Windy City. Um he’s on a 2-way right now. We’ve seen like 20 combined minutes from 2A players in the last three years. So like I just don’t think those guys are really going to have an opportunity with the big team. But they signed him to a two-way. I think he’ll be around and like it sounds like he’s going to be a pretty foundational piece in what the summer league team is doing. Like he’s talked about um both Billy Don the third and Lachlan talked about his skill set being similar to Vuas, right? Where he’s able to like operate through the elbows in the high post uh you know as a passing hub. Like there’s been some clips from practice where he’s like throwing back door passes and stuff like that. I think he can grab a rebound and push the ball up the court. He’s got some guard skills. So, I think they’re going to try to operate through him a little bit because he is a very smart player and a good passer. Um, but I just I I think we’ll kind of have to see how he develops as far as actually getting minutes in the NBA. But that’s why we have summer league, you know, he has an opportunity here to play well and establish himself and see how it goes. But I do think just in terms of the draft um and the draft and stash stuff that that you just talked about um the fact that they moved back probably put them in a better position to draft somebody that they could sign to a two-way and that allowed them to keep him here as opposed to stashing him for another year in, you know, abroad. That makes sense. That makes sense. Um I think also here a cool thing, Matt, that you uh left out of that article is when he was talking about his time in Chicago, the weather’s beautiful. It’s great. Italian beefs are cool. He said I can’t eat a lot of them because it’ll bulk me up. But he thinks they are cool and delicious. You can eat a lot of them. Lol. You are tall. You are young. You are a professional athlete. Eat all the beefs. They make you strong. Make you strong. Make sure to dip, sir. Please. But I mean, just looking at the resume, I think I agree with him, man. It was impressive just seeing that what he had done, you know what I’m saying? Obviously, especially in that New Zealand league. 20 points a game, 12 rebounds. Also, shout Canterbury Rams. Yes, great team. Put that on some toast. Sounds amazing. He was the MVP. He was the grand final MVP also. Uh there. I believe he’s 21 if I’m not mistaken. 20 or 21 years old. I think he’s 21. Okay. 21. He’s He’s at that age, which is, you know, that’s right at that, you know, super old age as coach likes to say. Yeah. uh for NBA player, but he’s got that high energy. Uh he’s got that aggression that you guys know I like in a player for sure. He just seems like a fan favorite. Uh when I watch him and I see him, I’m like, this is a guy that I think fans will really be rooting for. Um just in the way he speaks, you know, the confidence is there in the way he speaks. Um he just talked about in that article, you know, he just wants to learn, you know, he said, “I’m really just there to learn and to play off my teammates, you know what I’m saying, and to figure out what they want to do.” He said he’s still getting a little acclimated to the game. 3 second rule. He said, “I got to figure that out uh real quick.” Yeah. Can’t camp out down there, my friend. You got to get out the lane for sure. But this again, this is what summer league is for. This is what summer league is about. It’s about figuring that stuff out, making those mistakes. And interesting just to hear um when Casey Johnson was on uh the score today talking about how they could play through him. You know what I’m saying? Using him as that kind of player. That was intriguing to me to sit and actually hear about this young man. Like that that says a lot about his IQ also in his game if you’re willing to even deal or toy with the idea that you can play through this uh young man. So now he’s somebody I definitely will be watching in summer league. At first it was just going to be strictly uh gay for sure, but after honestly reading this and seeing this stuff I’m like, “Okay, I’m watching you now too with that same kind of Hawkeye posision precision that I’m going be watching Noah with.” Yeah, at the combine he measured 68.75. Um, so I think he’s like a little undersized to be like a player that can really, you know, I don’t want to like put a cap on him, but I think it’s just going to be hard to be a big at that size like as a full-time NBA center. So, I’m just kind of curious to see what he looks like because he’s it’s just going to be a little different. But I think that’s a valuable archetype for the Bulls given their style and they need like they’ve got Modis, they’ve got Essen, they’ve got guys that can, you know, get up and down, but do they have people that can like operate and have the offense flow through them a little bit in the half court? I think he’s going to help with that. It is interesting that for you know a couple of years I was like yo the Bulls have so many guards and some of them are guards with size Lonzo or Kobe or you know IO but like they had like nobody in that range of like 66 to being a true center you know your your bigger wings your power forward sized players. It was like Pat and that was it. Oh my god. And now it’s like you know okay Julian’s still around. He’s kind of wiry but he’s you know and then and then you got Modis and now you got Noah and now you got Llin. Now you got a bunch of guys who are sort of in that quasi, you know, you know, that that tweener size role. Yeah. And still a 34 year old center who’s been ready to move out of town for a while now. And it’s like, okay, like we’re shifting which player we have lots of. Yeah. And it’s interesting with Lachlan, but somebody I think it was Viper strike in the comments said he loves to run the floor, so Billy might want him. Yeah. If that’s the kind of player you’re talking about, guys who yes, do have size, but are also willing to run run, that is what Billy is trying to do. Yeah, he wants to get out and and run the floor. And also heard him talk about he wants to learn from BC uh as well. He wants to pick his brain. Uh also the the thing that he’s he’s that kind of big goat that that I like because just of where his mind is. He thinks he’s seven feet tall and that’s really honestly how he kind of plays from what I saw. He thinks he’s bigger than everybody out there on the floor. That kind of stuff gets you a long way. You know what I mean? I’d rather have him with that thought process than actually saying, “Oh, no. I’m 69.” No, I want you to play like you’re seven feet. And he definitely has that. And he’s got a, you know, just that kind of attitude about him that I like. And again, this is stuff I like for role players. I’m not saying this as far as a starter is concerned because the dude shoots like 12% from three. He’s he he’s not he’s not great at that. Somebody in the comments said the nickname is old brick but like B R I C K like O L apostrophe. Okay, that’s not bad. Honestly, to be real, that’s not bad. Oh, sorry. Dysfunctional dysfunctional, man. Like that’s that’s funny. That’s funny in the name of comedy. That’s funny. But just just somebody I would just like to see on this team. I think he’s a good asset to have just on your bench. You know what I mean? like he’s a good person to have there who you can give a few minutes to probably at the end of the game. You know what I mean? Let the crowd, hey, he’s you know that kind of thing cuz you know Bull is going to be cheering for or yelling for him the first sign of anything that happens in the front court that they don’t like. Well, why don’t you bring in Lucky? Bring Lucky in the game. So, he’s that kind of player though, man. I think he’s a fan favorite kind of guy. So, this was a quote from yesterday at practice. Uh, one of the reporters, I can’t remember who it was, asked him what his strengths were and how that will translate to the NBA level. And he said, uh, I think honestly just my physicality, getting my teammates open. I’ll do all the dirty work so they don’t have to. Like I think that’s the kind of player that like he’s going to like be a fan favorite for that. Like like the Bulls don’t have a lot of guys like that that are like scrappy that are like like Dalon’s like that. Um, just like physical guys that play with intensity and like do the little things, right? especially at the big man spot. Like I I do think I guess Zach Collins is kind of that way uh in terms of his screening. Um but he’s just like showed up last year midway through the season. He played 20 games. Like it’s just not the same when guys show up like that. So I think there will be some excitement around him and uh you know if he’s able to impose some of that physicality and that, you know, dirty work into these summer league games, I think he’ll be a lot of fun to watch. Yeah. He talked also talked about his time playing against Josh Giddy uh as well. So that’s another wrinkle that I’m interested to see just those guys kind of playing together because that’s a shared mentality between those two young men. Yeah. And you know those Aussie players, especially the ones who participate in their national program, they are tight. Yeah. And you know they they take it serious. And that Aussie national team, they play for blood, man. Yeah. They take it serious. Shout out Delivadova. Like they got guys that have been in that program a long time. Yeah man. And they play to win. It’s not just like a, you know, tilt to world spin of whichever USA guys are like, “All right, fine. I’ll play this year.” You know, the Aussie. No, that is a regimented program down there. So, yeah. And and that helps again, that helps Giddy, you know what I mean? Like having a guy who understands the way that he plays and the mentality of where he came from, whether this dude is the 15th man on the roster or the, you know, third on the roster, just having that on your team to run that off of during the game or even after the game is good for didn’t uh didn’t get Rocco, but man, the Aussies of Bulls Nation, the hype level is at an all-time high. I mean, good for y’all. Good for y’all. Enjoy the moment. Thanks for being here. Can’t wait to see y’all if he signs this qualified offer. Come on back. Your boy. Uh, all right. Before we get out of here real quick, and we could pick this up tomorrow if we want to talk about it a bit more, but the last thing on our agenda, uh I believe it was DK who dropped the first uh NBA regular season win totals overunder uh for the 2526 season. And guys, vehicles, if you are a firm believer in the sometimes four under, sometimes two, but always three philosophy, there could be a pretty great open betting opportunity for you here. Because the Bulls are at 32 and a half right now for wins next season. Right. The sweet spot. Is that Is that an easy cash on the over because it’s like hey 40 42 39 43 39 43 we’re here to compete with playing in part four. Yeah. I’m gonna have to talk to uh co uh Cody, my gambling the gambling godfather. Okay. Shout out Delo, you know, and see what he says about it. But it feels like it, right? Like like you said, man, you’re the one who coined Travis hammer the over. You’re the one who coined that beautiful phrase like so. Yeah. 32 and they all they do is get 39 and close to 40 and stuff like that. I mean, yeah, it is a foolproof system. Go ahead. Go. Yeah, I feel like we should spend some time on this tomorrow. There’s like so many teams and I think thinking about this in terms of like where they sit in the East in the league in general, like what kind of they look like uh next to some of these other teams that are going to be in their same zip code in terms of record. I I think that’s almost more interesting. But yeah, I mean I think looking at the way that the last couple seasons have gone, you have to try to lose if you’re going to win fewer than 35 games. like you just it’s very especially in the Eastern Conference like there’s either the teams that are going all the way for the bottom or the teams that are trying and typically speaking even last year when the Heat lost 10 games in their last 15 they still won more than 35. True. I just think it’s going to be hard to imagine a world where that doesn’t and look a lot could change. There’s different teams uh teams that seem healthy now that might not end up that way. Teams that are going for it now that might not down the stretch. So, a lot can change there. But um just big picture, I do think the over looks pretty good. Uh D loss and Bulls projected to have the seventh spot in the draft lottery next year. Uh Travis Easton shambles uh a fish saying not if Kobe and VH are gone with that 32 and a half wins. Dysfunctional seems awfully generous generous. Uh, look, the one thing you could say about and 32 and a half, not certainly a guarantee they’ll win at least that many, is how many wins in the front half of the season were largely due to Zack and Voo. Zack and Vuch were playing like legit allstars for the first half of the season. That’s fair. And then back half of the season, they are gone. Other guys rise up, but yeah, you know, but nothing stops them from getting to that 39, right? You know what I mean? Or or that 40. Like it’s a machine. It’s machineike. You know what I’m saying? how it operates. 32. I mean, honestly, like I’m not, you know, crying over it if they end up with that or around that. But I’ll take you you guys advice. You guys are the gamblers over here. So, I would definitely take that advice of hitting the over. As coach said, we could pick this conversation back up again tomorrow and dive into it a bit more if the Bulls win total. Um, get Stephen to 100 likes before we get out of here. Come on, guys. Shout out for joining us. Katie will fight me if you don’t. Katie will fight Stephen. She’s feisty. Feisty. She needs the likes. So does Stephen. Shout out to Stephen, by the way, for hanging out with us on a rare appearance of CHO Bulls. We treasure these. We now sadly send you back into the cave of brags. Uh y’all, we’ll be back tomorrow, same time, same place, 400 p.m. Central time live. Uh our last show here in Chicago before we head out to the desert, Las Vegas summer league content. Going to be great. Read the goat all cow.com. Follow him_godly. Big day bow. BL sports on Bulls Peek. RCSU_Bulls. Shout out to each and every one of you for tuning in. Hit the like. Make sure you smash the subscribe button. Have a great night. See you red. Be good. Love y’all. Peace.

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On this episode, Will, Matt and Big Dave discuss the new trade rumors from Anthony Irwin of Clutch Points that has the Lakers making calls to the Bulls to inquire about the availability of Ayo Dosunmu. Should the Bulls be listening to the Lakers offers for the 4-year vet? Also, with Summer League just around the corner, we dive into the Bulls 2nd round pick Lachlan Olbrich. What should fans expect from the 21 year old Aussie? How is he adapting to the city and the team? Plus, Vegas has the Bulls over/under win total at 32.5. Is that win total too high or too low for the upcoming season?

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