Can the Sacramento Kings Successfully Develop their Young Players While Playing the Old Veterans?

Can the Sacramento Kings Successfully Develop their Young Players While Playing the Old Veterans?

The Sacramento Kings are juggling two timelines. On one hand, Scott Perry has his new young guys and pieces that he’s added to this roster to help establish the new identity of this team going forward into the future. And on the other hand, he’s got these big contracts that he’s inherited, these older veterans that are more win now players. Can the Kings manage both those timelines and develop the young guys while playing the vets? Or does one have to sacrifice for the other? Kevin John from ABC 10 joins me to discuss that right here on Locked on Kicks. You are Locked on Kings, your daily Sacramento Kings podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every day. And now, ladies and gentlemen, it is that time. Time for another episode of Locked on Kings. Hello and welcome to Locked on Kings, your podcast hub for Sacramento Kings coverage all off season long. Today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Right now, new customers can get $150 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins. My name is Matt George. I have the privilege of being your host here. I’m a Sacramento sports anchor and reporter for ABC 10 News. And I’m actually fresh back home after spending my entire day in Santa Clara. I was out at Levi Stadium covering day one of San Francisco 49ers training camp for ABC 10. And while we were stuck in traffic, Bay Area traffic on the way home, I decided, you know what? Why don’t I pull the phone out? Why don’t Kevin and I record a little podcast together and discuss the youth movement versus the veterans? a theme here in Sacramento that actually is similar to kind of what the San Francisco 49ers are dealing with. They have a lot of young players that they’re adding to kind of that veteran core that they’ve had established there for many, many years. And the Kings are going to see if they can manage to handle the two timelines more successfully than franchises like the Golden State Warriors have in past years. So, please enjoy my conversation about the present and the future and how they intermingle and coexist together here in Sacramento with ABC 10’s Kevin John. You’re in with the car with us. We’re in traffic making our way back from the Bay to Sacramento after day one of San Francisco 49ers training camp. We all know the 49ers in the NFL exist just to help us kill the time before the start of the NBA season. You know, Kevin, I’m with Kevin John, my partner at ABC10. They they released the Kings released the pre-season schedule the other day, which is always exciting to see because you’re like, yes, a tangible date, right? Like, okay, it’s real. It’s coming. And then you realize it says October and it’s July and you’re like, I have to wait three plus months for the preeason. Thankfully, we have football to help uh get us through that. We got a lot to talk about with the with the Kings, Kev, we’re going to focus on kind of the two timelines of where the Sacramento Kings are because you watched the summer league closely, as did I. We watch the young guys, particularly Nick Clifford, shine on the summer league stage. Summer league in the NBA, of course, very different things. Uh, but we look at this Kings roster and whether it’s Demar Rozan, Deont Sabon, Zack Lavine, there’s a lot of veteran talent on this roster. The average age of the Kings still way higher than we would like it to be. So, the Kings have their foot in two different pools. They’ve got this young coreish and you could add Keon Ellis to that even Keegan Murray to some extent and then you have all these veterans that are trying to make the most out of their the years left and the contracts that they’re on. What side are you leaning on in ter we know what the Kings are going to do? And we’ll talk about them trying to play the middle, but for you personally like what gets you more excited to watch Kings basketball next year. Is it a full year of Demar and Lavine and Domas coming back and this talented like three that they have or is it the young guys giving Sacramento hope for a better future? You know, Matt, I I would say anyone who watched as much as just five minutes of the Sacramento Kings throughout summer league in Vegas would wholeheartedly agree the excitement with the young guys. And I know we’re kind of prisoners of the moment because what the summer league championship was just a few days ago. There’s a lot of people riding high on the fact that the Kings even made it into that game and the amount of talent um that we saw on display from these young guys. I mean, I can’t remember a time, Matt, at least since I’ve been covering the Kings that I’ve been excited about the this many young guys. Yes. Three years ago, we were excited about Keegan Murray coming in. Absolutely. And then uh the year after that, I believe it was Da Von Mitchell, right? Um and whatnot. So yes, or the day a year before, I can’t remember, but um and then with Tyresese Hallebertton, I believe that was a year before, right, when he uh came in. So, yes, there’s always there’s always excitement every year, Matt, about whether it’s the first round picks or the young, but I can’t remember, Matt, where they there have been this many intriguing young prospects who are supremely gifted on the safe team at the same time. So, to answer your question, Matt, I’m going with the young guys. Now, with all due respect to Demar Rose and to Zack Lavine, some of the veterans, excited to see them as well. But man, give me these young guys and let me see let me see uh Maxim Raido, you know, pull up from three, then go on the other defensive end and cloud the passing lanes or protect the rim. Let me see Nick Clifford bring the ball up the court on one end e even though he’s a, you know, a two or small forward, but facilitate plays on the offensive end or display his shooting range and then go back down to the the defensive end and clamp up his opponent. Um there there’s just so many things, Matt, that I’m really looking forward to with these young uh course. So to answer your question, absolutely these young guys. So, it’s it’s funny because there’s some opposing team fans and even some pessimistic Kings fans who are like, we’re talking about the 24th overall pick and we’re talking about a second rounder and Clifford and Maxine Relo. It’s not like we’re talking about Cooper Flag in Sacramento or or any of these these top lottery picks, but I would argue that’s kind of part of the charm, right? It’s like, okay, Meek Clifford is a 24th pick, but the Kings moved up to go out and and get Meeek, but he’s an older prospect and someone that in theory could positively impact winning right away, although I’m still skeptical about the overall success of this this roster as constructed, period. But someone who can contribute right away and still be a piece for the future. And then there’s Maxine Reno. Anytime you have a 7 foot1 guy who can shoot, especially with the local ties from Stamford, I think fans are naturally going to be intrigued by that. I think it’s safe to say Sacramento is in intrigued by these rookies. But I’m just of the feeling and of the belief, Kevin, that that that reality is going to hit. And it’s not a reality of, oh, these guys aren’t very good. It was just Summerlade. It’s the reality of where they are in terms of where the Sacramento Kings are and where the Sacramento Kings are going. We know the Kings are not going in a rebuild route. We know the Kings are have these massive contracts that they can’t really get rid of. Zack Lavine and Damata Sabona specifically, so they’re going to kind of be forced to ride it out and try and be competitive as much as possible while these guys are here. I wonder if if we should even feel remotely confident that the Kings can handle the two timelines at the same time. We saw the Golden State Warriors try a two timeline thing. Look how it’s going with Jonathan Kaminga right now. It’s not great, right? And they’re trying to maximize the years that Steph Curry uh has left. I just don’t know if we can trust the Sacramento Kings organization, granted Scott Perry, brand new, to handle this two timeline thing because it’s funny. I was actually talking about this on a podcast recently, Kev. Somehow the Sacramento Kings have become like a model organization for the two-way contract. Like they’ve had some of the most, if not the majority of the success stories of two-way contracts in the league from Keon Ellison, Amias Kada to even Isaac Jones right now. So, the Kings have had become this organization that can find diamonds in the rough and turn them into NBA players or develop them into NBA players. But what about using those young pieces with the current pieces that you have right now to build an actual sustainable successful winner? I don’t I don’t feel good. I would rather the Kings pick one over the other instead of try and play both sides. Well, first things first, Matt, you have to you have to look at this. Can anyone right now confidently say that the Sacramento Kings have an identity and they know their identity? That’s that’s the goal of the season, I think, is to establish that. Okay. But as of right now, that is not established going into No, not at all. So, why do I say that is cuz to be honest, Matt, I don’t really have high expectations for them this season. Now, that’s not to say that they can’t be competitive. I I personally have them being falling somewhere between a seventh through 10th seed this year. I think I think they’re a playing team this year. But that’s not good. Yes. But but but but let me go. Of course, no one plays to be a playing team. Right. Right. Either you’re going to tank so you can get a top pick or you’re going to be super competitive and be a playoff team. You don’t want to be that in between year after year where you’re just a perennial ninth seed or perennial eighth seed, whatever. No one wants that. The Kings ended up like that last year and the year before. They had two after coming off that playoff birth in 2023, they’ve had two subsequent years where they’ve been playin teams and been eliminated both times out of the playin. So the the going back to what I’m saying, Matt, is you have to you you have to identify a culture or an identity if you truly want to give your fan base some form of optimism or hope. Now, yes, coming out of summer league, like I said, I am high on these young guys, but at the end of the day, it’s summer league basketball. And we all know we don’t get excited about summer league basketball because Matt, as Matt said earlier, summer league and the regular season are two totally different things. It’s almost like comparing G-League to the NBA like that. That’s in a way is kind of like summer league. So, no reason because if that’s the case, remember the Stockton Kings were the Jingle League champions last year, right? Um, so, so I I don’t want to get ahead of myself and say, oh, you know, the Kings are going to be great. No, they had a great they have some young intriguing prospects, but going back to what I was saying, Matt, I feel that if you don’t know your identity, if you don’t know your pulse, if you look at all the teams out there who are competitive right now, they have a sense of identity. Maybe not the Lakers because there’s a lot that’s going on over there right now. But they’re they’re adding pieces and doing stuff. Well, their identity is the rich kid that can just go out and get Luca Donuch. So, I’d say they’re living up to their identity pretty good. I absolutely or the rich kid who can get his son to play for the team. Anyway, um anyway, but basically what I’m saying is like I feel the Sacramento Kings are going to put themselves in a situation, Matt, where they can be competitive. M don’t don’t expect this team to have what is it called gap years or off year like they’re not going for that but also you you talked about Scott Perry Matt this is someone who has a significantly high basketball IQ and not just Scott Perry look the guys who he brought in around him BJ Armstrong Mike Woodson um and so on uh Bobby Jackson of course who uh Doug Kirsty brought on the staff like there’s there’s so many uh there’s so many people that Scott Perry surrounds himself with who have an extremely high basketball IQ and know how to make really good decisions on the executive level. So Matt, that’s something that does give me optimism going into this season is that Scott Perry, and granted Scott had to inherit a lot of the players that are on this team. It’s not like we’re looking at Scott Perry’s team or roster, but you’re starting to see him kind of form it and put his, you know, put his touch on it. So to to I I guess that with that being said, Matt, am I excited about this season? Like Well, I’m always excited about any season. I don’t I think freaking Washington Wizards fans are excited about the season that maybe that that’s going to come, you know. Um but yeah, of course you’re always excited for the season, but Matt, I don’t see the Kings being competitive. I don’t see them being a top six seed in the West. And I’m not trying to say that to sound pessimistic. I’m trying to say that to be realistic and knowing with the West and how difficult it is, what is a re what is a realistic expectation. Now, who knows, Matt, Maxim, um, uh, Nick, some of these guys can develop very quickly and kind of turn into players that were like, “Oh, damn. Okay, um, this can help.” And then also, you know, the late first round pick, second round pick, that stuff to me nowadays kind of really, I mean, Nicole was a second round pick. Talent is talent. Draymond Gri second round pick. And and think the last how many MVPs from Giannis to Sha just Alexander. None of them are drafted in the top 10. So, it’s like, yeah, I I I get don’t be excited about a late first rounder and a second round pick, but you talent is talent, you know, and if these guys can play ball, then so be it. Like I said at the top of the show, today’s episode of the Lock Kings podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. Summer sports are in full swing. And whether you’re all about baseball under the lights, golf on the green, or some high stakes soccer action, FanDuel is the best way to make every game more exciting. You’re already following the action. Why not make it a little more thrilling? With FanDuel, you can get in on the game while your friends are getting sunburned at the beach. Use FanDuel to track your favorite matchups, and the app keeps it fresh with new daily promotions and fun ways to bet and play every single day. It’s easy to use. When you win, payouts are fast and it makes even regular season games feel like mustwatch events. That’s especially helpful in summertime with 162 games of baseball. Whether you’re placing a same game parlay or watching a bet ride into the ninth inning, FanDuel makes it feel like you are part of the action. If you’re new to FanDuel, new customers can bet just $5 and get $150 in bonus bets if your first bet wins. Open the FanDuel app today or visit fanuel.com to get started. I’m just really curious about how Doug Christie handles when the play doesn’t meet the identity because Scott Perry can only do so much right now. He’s trying to build a roster. He’s trying to handle what he can handle. He inherited a lot of this mess. He’s trying to clean it up as best as possible. While the pieces that he’s looking to add or has added from from the rookies to even Dennis Shruder in theory can help establish that new identity that that the Kings have essentially made their top priority for this year. And that’s not to say they don’t care about winning, but the the goal for this season very clearly is by game 82 at the absolute latest, we know who we are as a basketball team and what we’re trying to do. So that that question we should definitely have answered hopefully even well before that even maybe by the trade deadline. But I once the roster construction aspect ends the keys are handed to Doug and I wonder right and not to pick on Zack Lavine specifically but I’m going to use him as an example. I don’t think Zack Lavine and the way that Zack Lavine plays fits this kind of defensive first identity that the Sacramento Kings are going to establish. I guess I could make the same argument for Sabonis. I could even make the same argument for Demard Rosen, but we’ll use Zack Leavine for this scenario. If the Kings are trying to establish and build an identity and guys like Nick Clifford and Maxim Reno and Keegan Murray and Keon Ellis are meeting that identity and are fitting with that that mold going forward, but Zack Lavine has play paid almost $50 million, is averaging 20 points per game and doesn’t fit that mold. Like, do you just ride it out and say Zach’s gonna be Zack and this is the way it is? Do you decrease Zach’s playing time even if it lessens your likelihood of winning short term to give more opportunity to Anique Clifford? Like I’m very curious to see how when they say establishing the identity is a priority, but what happens when it’s more beneficial to your identity to play some of the younger guys than your current stars? I’m very curious about how if we get to that crossroads point this season. Well, first of all, I think it’s going to be difficult to take away Zack Lavine’s minutes or to decrease them when you look at how much that man is making. Okay, that that would be an expensive body on the bench to say the least. So, you’re almost kind of committed to Zack. Um, even though he is a liability on the defensive end. Um, same with the Marty Rosen. Demar Rosen is a liability on defensive end, but shoot, how many games did Demar Rosen help you guys win last year? Do I need to talk about the Miami Heat game that went in overtime, I believe that that that was where the Rozan single-handedly um uh brought you back in it? I mean, there there’s a number of games like he won a game for you in Dallas, but taken over the fourth quarter. I believe that was Dallas. Yeah. I mean, this was a guy who wasn’t just last year or the year before was the runner up to the clutch player of the year or something like that. Yep. So anyway, with that being said, yes, Demar is a liability on the defensive end, but the man can win you games on the offensive end, right? You know, same thing you referenced Luca earlier. Yeah, Luca is a hell of a defensive liability, but damn it, when you give the when you put the ball in his hand with a minute left, you know what he can do offensively. So I, you know, I I say with Demar, at what expense or what are you willing to sacrifice if you’re going to take away his minutes? And even Lavine, Lavine is someone who can get you a bucket as well. There’s a reason Lavine is a three-time all-star. You know, he’s a hell of a scorer and we’ve seen glimpse of that um just in a short time with the Kings this last season. Um but yeah, going back to the whole defensive mind um which is I mean that was when Mike Brown was a head coach, it was defensive oriented. Um, and Doug Christie, who prides himself on defense and uh being defensive- minded, you’re d you’re darn right, you know, he’s going to be looking for guys who can provide that kind of defensive intensity that he looks for. Now, are you going to get that from, you know, we know Keegan obviously is a hell of a defender. Um, Sabonis is, you know, he can hold his own at times. Um, Keon Ellis, phenomenal defender. Um, you know, uh, uh, now once you start getting to some of the other guys, you’re, you know, there there’s some cons for concern, but when you look at Nick and what he was able to do defensively in, uh, summer league, I know he’s a rookie. I know he’s young, and maybe you don’t want to put him in that kind of situation this early. I think Matt to me if I am Doug I almost feel that it’s worth it to in order to establish your identity and get your the your identity and culture set up for the future. I almost feel it’s worth it to sure if it’s at the expense of maybe giving Meek or some of these younger guys more time to um to uh develop or to uh you know to find their defensive uh grit. By all means, absolutely do it. Cuz it’s not like we’re talking about the Kings are going to be playing for a first or second seed this year where it’s like, okay, we don’t want to mess up anything. Let’s be real. probably Matt by the time we’re in February or March the Kings will probably be floating around that 7 8 n range like will it hurt to take away minutes for someone else and give some of the younger guys minutes? I don’t think so. And that’s that may be the time too because now we’re talking trade deadline time. that might be the time where Perry pulls the trigger on a D Rozan trade or something like that to then open up the door to nique playing time or or more significant offensive role for Keegan or whatever it may be. So that’s why I think it’s really important for the Kings to have a pretty good understanding of who they are and where they’re going by that that February trade deadline time. But I actually want to go back to one thing you said at the very beginning there. you you you talked about like if you’re benching Zack Lavine or or taking away some of Zack Lavine’s minutes, you’re paying the guy again almost $50 million. That’s a lot of money to have on the bench to decrease their role or to put him on the bench. And and by the way, I don’t think there’s any realistic remote possibility to either Lavine or D Rozan not starting, right? They’re they’re going to start. There’s just no way Doug can sell it to the Kings or the Kings can really sell it to themselves that those two are not in the starting lineup even if fans don’t necessarily want that. But I wonder if it’s easier for Perry and the Kings to go that route because when they made the trade last year and they trade De’arren Fox for Zack Lavine now like Zach has to play not just because of the money he’s he’s being paid but this is who you ch you traded your franchise player for. He has to play now. Like Perry never traded for Lavine, never traded for D Rozan, never gave Sabonis that big contract. Y So does that give Perry more of a green light to hey man, these these aren’t my guys, these young guys or Ke Murray or Keon Ellis or whatever. These are my guys. I’m prioritizing them and it doesn’t look bad on me to bench Zack Lavine. Doesn’t matter how much I’m paying him. I didn’t give him that money. That’s just a contract that I inherited. Absolutely. 100%. I mean, at the end of the day, if you’re Scott Perry, Matt, if you’ve been handed the keys to a franchise and you are the GM and and and VC picked you and the whole, you know, executive board picked you because they know that you can come in here and bring the kings or or elevate them, bring them back to uh prominence, then you have to do what you have to do by any means necessary. I think it would be wrong that for Scott Perry to come in and say, “Well, if Lavine’s not really getting the job done, you know, I don’t want to ruffle feathers or I don’t want to change up. I know that the King sacrificed a lot in order to acquire a Lavine.” Once you start thinking like that, you’re already losing. Yeah. You you you can’t think like that. You have to think what is best for this team going forward. And the good news, he has no emotional connection to Lavine because he wasn’t the one that went through all this to acquire him, right? So, if anything, it’s like, okay, I mean, not to say that Scott Perry doesn’t like Lavine. I’m sure he has a great relationship with him, but at the end of the day, that’s not his guy. That’s not the person he is building around. That’s not the person he, you know, went out to acquire when he got here. So, I’m saying that to say, who cares? Like, the ramifications it may have uh within the Kings fan base or whatnot. And and you’re right, that is a hell of a lot of money to be decreasing somebody’s role or minimizing somebody’s role or decreasing their minutes or anything of that sort. I 100% agree. That is a lot of money to um to to to shell, you know, to just dismiss. But sometimes you got to do and also with the De’Arra thing, but sometimes you got to do what makes sense over feelings. Screw people’s feelings or how they feel about certain things. You’re here to to to do a job and to win basketball games. So if people’s get all up in their feelings as a result of that, that’s not that’s not your responsibility. You weren’t the one who traded De’Aran for Lavine and whatnot. So, to answer your question, if he has to play be the bad guy or make the bad decision, I’m all for that because that’s what you’re getting paid to do, Matt, is to make the bad decision or the challenging decision in order for the betterment of the team, and it’s going to have to come in a sacrifice of somebody. So, I have 100% no issue with that. We’ll wrap up with this. Someone that that might become Perry’s guy, even though he didn’t draft him, is Keegan Murray. If the Kings give Keegan Murray an extension, Perry gives Keegan Murray an extension. Essentially, that’s, hey, I I view you as part of my future. You’re one of my guys. And it sounds like the Kings are are eager to make that happen at some point here uh over the next season. I recently talked about this is a unusual year for Keegan more like more different than any other year that he’s had specifically because it’s like it’s a different kind of pressure because now same way we just talked about with Lavine and and D Rozan Perry never drafted Keegan. So Perry is not attached to Keegan in that way. Perry’s success is not determined by how Keegan plays out, right? Keegan Murray was the fourth overall pick was arguably I know Tyres Hallebertton exists, but in terms of highest number was the biggest draft pick that Monty McNair made and he had to get it right. There’s not that that tie in Sacramento anymore for Keegan to Scott Perry. So, I wonder if there’s going to be a different kind of pressure there of like, I need to perform. I need to step up. I need to go earn my money now because this this front office isn’t just going to give it to me because I was their draft pick and they don’t want the shame of admitting they got the draft pick wrong. So, what what are you expecting? What are you looking for? What are you hoping for from from Keegan Murray this year realistically? We can all say, “Oh, make a big scoring jump.” But what does that look like on a roster that has Zack Lavine and Demard Rosen on it and stuff? Well, here’s the thing. I think Keegan Murray has proven himself to be a very valuable piece of the Sacramento Kings. He proved that his rookie season, damn it. Right. And I think because he had that phenomenal rookie season, Matt, people were expecting him to make this massive jump his sophomore year. Yeah. second season, this massive jump and scoring and all this other stuff. You know, I heard comparisons people were saying, you know, he could be the next Kawhi Leonard as far as his ability on both sides of the ball in um just what we’ve been able to see him, his ability to shoot the basketball. He broke the rookie record in threes this rookie year. So, I I I feel that because he had such a great rookie season, Keegan, unfortunately, kind of set the bar really high on himself. And I know a lot of people were expecting this massive jump from Keegan from year one to year two and then the into year three. First of all, you got to realize Keegan has had to pick up a lot of the slack on the defensive end. All of it. Nine night in and night out. Keegan is guarding the best players on the other team and you know and doing a dang good job while doing that. Um, shoot. We saw Keegan when he was on staff. What was that? Last year or the year before, right? You know, so when you look at all that is being asked of Keegan to do, he’s what on offense? He’s what, the fourth option, I want to say, if even that at the um on this team, depending on who’s on the court. Yeah. But I know that Mike Brown and Grant I know Mike Brown’s no longer the coach, but I know Mike Brown said he wanted Keegan to be more aggressive last year and to look for a shot. And I remember that’s why in his sophomore season he put him in the Cali Classic and whatnot cuz I want I want him to learn to be aggressive and how to be a killer, shall you say. Um, so I’m saying all this to say, Matt, Keegan Murray is a vital part of this Sacramento Kings team. I feel he’s a vital part of their identity and he’s a unique player in the sense that he can defend pretty much every position on the floor. And then on the offensive side, he can space the floor. He uh you know, he can shoot the heck out of the ball. He struggles sometime at creating his own shot. I wouldn’t say he’s an ISO create your own shot kind of player, but I’ve seen him do it before. But I just feel he has too many tools and there’s so too many good things that Keegan has that you would want to sacrifice maybe giving him up and not necessarily giving him a long-term contract because there’s not a lot of players in the league who I feel give you the production that Keegan Murray does. Now, I will say this, Matt. One thing that I really wish that Keegan um that Keegan would do more of, and I and I mean this, I really wish that Keegan would be a little more vocal. I I I I would love to see Keegan just have a little bit more passion or energy or or just show that like, you know, I get that’s not who he is. He’s a quiet person, very introverted, but I I hope if there’s a leap or a jump that Keegan makes, Matt, from year what, three to year four. I hope we hear a lot more of Keegan. I hope to see some emotion on Keegan’s face. I want to see him turn into a killer because I think that he has the athletic abilities and talents to do that. And I just hope mentally he becomes that force that we know he is physically. Well, we’ll see what he can do. We’ll see what Doug Christie can do. putting the pieces of this puzzle together as we get closer to training camp. Hey everybody, thanks for letting us kill some of our commute talking to you guys and uh and getting through this traffic. We’ll have more uh plenty more coming for you this uh this offseason. Actually, Matt, how’s my driving? Uh there’s a reason why I’m looking at the road so much. Just to make sure we make it home safely. So, let’s hope this isn’t the last podcast ever.

Matt George and his partner at ABC 10 Kevin John discuss the two timelines that the Sacramento Kings are juggling and if one has to sacrifice for the other to play.

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