The Bulls Biggest Mistake Was NOT the Vucevic Trade; It Was This….
We’ve reached that time of the year in the offseason where media outlets, particularly the national media, put out various columns, articles, podcasts to keep their viewers and fans engaged. So naturally, you’re going to hear various trade rumors, team drama, etc. But what I actually do like during this time of year is when we get those bigger picture level takes, bird’s eyee views of things where we revisit things of the past, various transactions franchises have made over the years, and how it impacts their current state and future state. And I know this is slightly old because the article came out a couple days ago and a lot of people have already been reacting to it and sharing their thoughts. I did as well briefly on Twitter, but that’s the article ESPN put out where they go over each of the teams biggest mistakes over the last 5 years. And when it came to the biggest mistake on the part of the Bulls, and I saw a lot of Bulls Nation agreeing with this take. I actually disagree with it completely. The biggest mistake of course being the Bulls trading for Nikoluvich when they gave up those two first round picks and Wendell Carter Jr. here in 2021 and I’ll explain why I disagree with it and what I believe was actually the bull’s biggest mistake over the last 5 years in this video. So, what’s going on everyone? You’re listening to Bull Central here. Hope you’re all doing well. Now, when I was thinking about all the mistakes this front office has made over the years, it’s actually quite sad to think about because there are a lot to the point where it’s almost hard to really pinpoint what the biggest one is. You know, from Patrick Williams, the selection number four overall giving Zack Lavine that max contract. Yes, obviously the Vevich trade that was still a mistake. Even though I don’t believe it’s the biggest one, it was still a mistake. Not trading Alex Caruso earlier when they had the opportunity to and even when they did, not getting any picks for him in return. Not reacting quickly enough and pivoting when it was clear Lonzo Ball was not going to be coming back anytime soon. The Patrick Williams $90 million contract, like there is a lot. But to me, the biggest mistake that I feel a lot of people don’t really talk about that for some reason continues to be swept under the rug is the front office deciding to go allin and building around Zack Leavine rather than trading for him when he actually had peak value in 2021. They could have continued to double down on that rebuild because they were still technically in a rebuild at that time. Now, before some of you go crazy on me in the comments, let me explain and also revisit history a little bit. If you remember when AK and Mark Everle first took over, they made it known that they would take their time with this team. They were going to go through an assessment period to see what they have to work with with this roster. They weren’t going to make any abrupt changes, any knee-jerk reactions based on what they saw from the previous year under Gar Pax, except for firing Jim Boen, which that was indeed needed. But it was supposed to be an evaluation year of a young team that wasn’t good, but had some lottery picks, some promising players. Guys like Larry Markin, Wendell Carter Jr., and Kobe White and newly selected player in Patrick Williams and of course Zack Lavine who they acquired in the Jimmy Butler trade in 2017. Now despite the Bulls going into that season, the 2021 season, uh they were trying to quote unquote compete. Like that wasn’t a year they were actively tanking anymore. By that point, they were trying to make a push for the playoffs, but things didn’t really go as they had expected. The Bulls were kind of underperforming. Markin seemingly stagnant in his overall development as a player. Wendell Carter Jr. uh couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play it was clear he wasn’t going to prosper in anything special. Kobe was still too young and not there yet. The only bright spot really coming out of that season was the fact that Zack Lavine was truly breaking out into an all-star. He was clearly the Bull’s best player and at age 25 this was something the Bulls could work with, right? And while I won’t deny that Zack, especially at that time, was an incredible player, an insane athlete, and a super entertaining player to watch. But even at that time, you guys know for those who have been following the channel since the beginning, that was the first year that I actually did the channel that season, I was always pretty adamant, as much as I like Zack Lavine, I did not believe he was a franchise level player, a player you could build around, nor a player you give a max contract to, especially when we knew that contract was coming up. We knew the contract was expiring in two seasons. We knew he was going to be in for a big payday. and if he starts making all-star teams, he’s going to push for a max contract as he should. And so, in my opinion, it would have made much more sense for the Bulls to trade Zack Lavine going into that 2021 trade deadline, having just become an all-star for two reasons. One, because his value was at its peak. He was on a very team-friendly contract at that time, a contract he had outplayed at $20 million per year. But two, it would have made more sense to trade Zack because it was clear at that time the Bulls still weren’t close to competing. And with Zach now 25, about to be 26, you had to know that by the time guys like Kobe, Patrick, even Markin, by the time they were truly ready as players to start blossoming, Zack was going to be phasing out of that timeline. But more importantly, you had to know Zack Lavine was never going to be that guy, the superstar, the number one option that you can build around on a championship team. Like, I liken it to what the Spurs did with Jonte Murray a few years back. He made his first All-Star selection. He was going to be due for a big contract extension soon. The Spurs were still rebuilding at the time. And even though Murray was still young, he was actually Zach’s age, 25 or 26. They surprised everyone when they traded him to the Atlanta Hawks for three first round picks, getting max value for their best player. But their best player that wasn’t going to be a guy that you can conceivably build around. Some people thought that Spurs were crazy for trading a guy who had just made an all-star and being in his prime, but it worked out for them given the state they find themselves in today and doubling down on that rebuild. And now they’re sitting with two potential franchise changing players in Victor Womanyama and Dylan Harper, but also had the means with those picks to make a play for Dear Fox. Of course, instead of doing that, instead of trading Zack Lavine and getting multiple first round picks, which was reported what the Bulls would have been able to get for Zack at that time, they did whatever they could to put together a winning team around him. That’s why they traded for Nikoluch. That’s why they brought in Demar, Lonzo Ball, and it’s led to everything that has transpired since then and the team that you see before you today. Now, there were, of course, other mistakes that went on from there that obviously didn’t have to do with Zach directly. like it’s not on Zack that the front office didn’t pivot sooner when they realized things weren’t going to work with Zack Dear Vuchic. Uh not making any trades for three straight trade deadlines, extending Vevich, not trading Kuso earlier, etc. But none of this none of those would have even transpired or been a thing had it not been for the Bulls deciding to build this team around Zack aka hit the accelerator button too early. His first season on the job trading future assets to get Nicolvich, trading Daniel Gaffford, letting marketing go. He said, “We’ve got to do what we can to make Zach happy. He’s our guy. We can win with him, and we need to push to start winning now.” None of this is Zach’s fault, by the way. It’s not like he chose this or pushed for this. It’s not his fault for wanting max money and signing for max money when it’s offered to him. He just hooped and did what he could to help this team win. It’s on the Bolts front office to recognize what they have with their current and future assets and manage those assets appropriately. And when you have an opportunity to trade a player whose value is soaring and your team isn’t ready to compete yet and said player isn’t going to get you to championship contention anytime soon, you leverage that asset and turn it into something you can add on to your future asset pool. The Bulls were in no business to be making these kind of all-in win now moves for a player like Zack Lavine. If it was win by Anthony Edwards, that’s a different story. and you do whatever you can to build around those guys and keep them happy, not Zack Lavine. And so, while yes, the Vuvich trade was bad looking at it now, although I still maintain the trade in a vacuum was fair value for a player who was an all-star at that time and was having his best season averaging 25 and 12 on 40% shooting from three. Two first round picks and young player was the going rate for a guy like that. But the Bulls should not have been in the Nikol Vuch sweep stakes that trade deadline in 2021. The Vu trade was bad. It absolutely set the Bulls back. But in my opinion, the vouch trade would have never happened had it not been for the Bulls wanting to go allin on Zack Lavine, believing that by doing so, they would eventually bring this franchise back to relevance and title contention. It was never going to be that. Yes, they had a nice run to start that 2122 season before Lonzo got injured, but we also don’t know that that was going to last. It was a small sample size of games and as good as they were, we know, or at least for us who are realists, we know that team still wasn’t good enough to win a championship. So yes, there were a lot of bad moves that have been made on the part of the Bulls over the last 5 years. A lot of moves that made things worse as the years went on, but the domino that started it all was choosing to build around Zack Lavine. Yes, they would have gotten hell for it had they actually traded Lavine just when he became the Bull’s first all-star since Jimmy Butler. Yes, a lot of people would have said they were nuts thinking, “How could you possibly think any picks that you’re getting in return for Zack are going to turn into better players than Zack Leavine himself?” we would have heard it all. But at worst, the bulls will probably be in the same situation they are right now, but instead stacked with more draft capital and future assets to build upon. So in my view, it wasn’t the Vuvich trade itself that was the bull’s biggest mistake, but rather the reason they made the trade in the first place, and that was to accelerate a win now timeline around Zack Lavine. Just my opinion on the matter. I would love to hear what you guys think though. You let me know in the comments. As always, be sure to subscribe and I will see you in the next one.
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39 Comments
Listen imagine if not vuch trade pic could have been top3
The bulls biggest mistake was Josh giddy making that shot ifykyk
Bulls biggest mistake was:
Fred Hoiberg
Jim Boylen
NOT KNOWING HOW TO BUILD AROUND ZACH
Cristiano Felício – Worst contract in NBA history
Patrick Williams at #4
Secret Extensions
Not Making Timely Trades
Pissing off your star player and running him out of the building per usual. Didn’t get Rose help during his prime. Literally had his brothers being publicized criticizing the Bulls front Office when you should’ve paid Ben Gordon prior. Pissed off Butler, pissed off Lavine. Butler goes on to elevate each team that he’s been on which includes two nba finals appearances. This is the same organization that pissed off Mike who we all consider to be the GOAT and broke up the dynasty.
As much as I agree with this take, it would have been hard to tell fans what the vision is by trading Zach – and I wonder if Jerry Reinsdorf would have accepted that. Perhaps the biggest mistake is not selling the team Jerry!
Zach?! You smoking crack?!
Out of all the things to list, the BIGGEST mistake is related to Zach Lavine? The Biggest?
Not the coaches, not the draft picks, not the roster construction? Somehow Zach Lavine?
Horrible take. Just horrible.
I agree, I said it the whole time, we'll never seriously contend with Zach Lavine as the number #1 face of the franchise player! He's more like a number #3 on a championship team!!
Your hate for Zach Lavine is irrational.
Zach is a mistake, but nowhere near the top. Like WTF
This video is spot on! Zach stunted this organization. He should have been traded a long time ago.
being an under the tax team too we were #1 in the east before zo’s injury we shouldve invested into a good pg and another wing/pf
I see your point Zach despite his talent has a low basketball IQ and dealt with nagging injuries….but HC Boylan and PWill are/were the WORSE…and the Reinsdorfs remain mediocre.
The Zach Lavine deal wasn’t the biggest mistake imo, but everybody has their own opinions.
I never got the feeling the front office was building around Zach. I think their guy was Lonzo. That is why they tooked that long to pivot from that roster.
I have to say Jamal has always stood by this since the beginning man 😭 don't mind it at all
I'll do you one better. It wasnt trying to build around Zach, it was signing him to the max deal instead of trading him. I agree Zach was never gonna be the main piece to build around, but after he was coming off that contract GarPax gave him and having made his first allstar team in 21, AKME should have traded him right then and there at the deadline instead of rushing the rebuild. They traded for Vooch a month later that year. File this under waiting too late to trade him.
Bulls are too slow
I have to disagree, Jamal. Zach was a player you could have built around at one point during his tenure here. He probably wasn't your number 1 at times with his bad decision-making. Although he had number 1 offensive talent, he could've very well been your number 2 guy. I believe the Bulls put too much stock in Vuc unnecessarily to obtain him. It all could've worked if Lonzo had stayed healthy. That's just a gamble the Bulls decided to take. However, I did believe that they shouldn't have given Lavin the max, but I was happy for him either way. Ultimately, the Bulls make the right decision at the wrong time, which eventually leads to the wrong decision at the wrong time.
Everything AK has done to me is a mistake until they start winning some playoff games – I am giving him 3 more years to turn this club into a playoff team.
The biggest mistake was selling to Jerry 🙁
Here we go again with the Zach bashing. Zach was a 2x Allstar and when healthy 25ppg 4rpg 4apg, with a once 50/40/80 split and in his final season he changed his game to support the younger players and the new direction of the team… and you found him to be the biggest mistake?!? Not the #4 pick that couldn’t average 10ppg nor 5rpg for 5years as a PF, or the trade that lost 2 first round picks to a center that couldn’t protect the paint, nor defend his position, nor the head coach that would play a 3 guard squad and a skinny 6’6” man at the 5 spot?!?
Your Zach hatred is next level.
1. Zach was the high volume scorer.
2. Vuc was the offensively gifted big man.
3. Demar was the clutch guy.
4. Zo was the floor general.
It was working, but injuries caused that tower to cumble. Blaming Zach as the biggest factor for why everything fell apart is absolutely disgusting. And I'm someone who wanted Zach gone, but also understood why he was still around.
Been saying it since the were thinking about giving Zach that max contract..he showed he wasnt a #1 and then he showed he wasnt a #2, then you give him a Max deal and pay him like a #1 when he couldnt get you a single post season win. Demar and Zach showed themselves to be at best a #3 option on a playoff team. That max contract was horrible. Keeping him was worse…. You dont pay dudes that cant get you two playoff wins as if they are a #1 or #2.. Contract year regular season numbers are fools gold. guys that get you 2 playoff wins and no more are #2s, #1s carry you to a series win.. Neither have been on this team for over 10 years.
Drones fell for the fools gold, like CHGO fell for the fools gold. Told them at the time it was a super mistake. They should have traded Zach away or let him walk if they had too.. The worse thing you can do as a team is tie up a massive %age of you cap on guys that can not carry your team in the post season.. Overpaying for Mediocrity and stacking your team with low pressure players locks you into basketball hell, and the drones just keep getting pimped because they value regular season numbers and "Ole well" the post season performances.. like complete casuals…
Nope, it wasn't bad to build around Zach. They just did it so horribly that it's a joke. What exactly is the difference between Zach Lavine and someone like Booker and Donovan Mitchell? Basically nothing besides the other 2 has been part of far better built teams.
Bulls central never fails to make a Zach lavine hate video
Not giving PWill that money, we could have signed Kuminga and Giddey easily
I strongly disagree w/ your take on Zach being the biggest mistake & wanting to trade him at his peak cos of an exp.contract in 2 yrs? U can't comment in hindsight regarding things that backfired for the Bulls such as P. Williams turning out to be a dud,no Bulls fan expected it to turn out that way.dont be a trader Joe,pushing for Coby & Ayo to get traded over marshmallow Josh G .are u for mgmnt.or for the players & fans?
This clickbait
In fairness, all the moves mentioned are connected and contributed to the current sorry state.
Hell nah was Zach the BIGGEST mistake we made. For me it’s either the Vuc trade, or the P Will draft. With Zach is was just a lack of ability to build a proper team, choosing to build around him wasn’t a bad idea in theory
dont you dare… it was lavine who has been keeping the bulls relevant since joining
it was working till injuries cam around
Bulls biggest mistake is letting Reinsdorf continue to ruin them…
You nailed it. That’s why I don’t understand people that want to build around Giddy and White as our number 1 and 2 options
Nah, I had to stop this video early…drafting P. Will was easily the biggest mistake. Had they drafted Haliburton, and then made the same trade to get Vooch they would be a perennial playoff team. Had they drafted Haliburton and then tried their luck in that draft, they'd be better off as well. Either way, P. Dub is the biggest mistake.
Bro, you got the clicks from the zach fans for sure lol.. he was a huge mistake considering they couldn't even off load him for any value in return… speaks volumes and magnifies the mistake 10x
The Bulls are always making mistake after mistake. They are awful at every single thing they do. Vooch trade was horrendous
I feel like their biggest mistake is that they are always waiting to long to make a move. It seems whatever move they make that it should have been done a year ago.
Im unsubsribing behind this dumbass post