Should the Kings offer Jonathan Kuminga $30 million per year? 💰

Should the Kings offer Jonathan Kuminga $30 million per year? 💰

Three, please. Question three. Jonathan Kaminga apparently wants a contract in the 30 million a year range. Is that realistic? Uh, I mean, there’s two two forks to this question. Is that realistic from a could he get it? And then is it realistic as far as does he deserve it? Meaning, you know, I always say I I know I always say if they give it to him, that’s his value. But I mean, look, there is a world in which $30 million for Jonathan Kaminga is an incredible steal. That’s just a fact. There really is. There there’s he is 22 years old. He he has shown flashes of awesome. Um I get it. I really do. Like there is a world in in in which he earns every part of that and then some. But I don’t think we’re in that world right now. I I think at least 50% if you look Jason just at Jonathan Kaminga’s statistics to date he’s maybe a $10 million a year player but that’s not what anyone’s that’s not what anyone’s paying for. I mean let me let me just hold on. Let me maybe I maybe I misspoke. Let let me let me grab uh Johnny uh Kaminga’s stats here. Lifetime. All right. So he has been in the league four years. Uh he averages 12 and a half points, four boards, just under two assists, a half a block, a half a steel on 503369. Okay. Yeah, dude. That’s a that’s at best a $10 million player at best, but probably more like a seven or eight million player. But here’s the thing, that’s not what you’re paying for. You’re paying for what he did against Minnesota. You’re paying for the flashes of an amazing player that he has shown. and you’re paying for the fact that he’s 22 years old and already has four years experience. You’re paying for his potential as much as anything else. So, I don’t think he gets 30, but I think in the end he gets 23 24. Yeah, I think timing is what you said like the the two forks to this question. The timing is the part where I would say two years ago if Kaminga is going into that off season the same way he is now. He’s 100% getting that because more teams had money, more teams are spending money. I think teams are getting tighter around their salary cap. So I think he’s in a in a bad timing of it where you’d go has he earned the 30 million? Maybe not. But it’s exactly what you said Dave. You’re going off potential. So, I think let’s just pretend that today some team gave him a $30 million deal. I think that deal could be looked at at the beginning in the infancy of it as like, wow, that’s an overpay. But maybe if it was a 4-year 30 million, so it’s 120. By the end, you go, that’s kind of a if he lived up to the potential, people could then go, “Wow, that was quite a nice contract for him that he over uh performed for.” So, I’m just going to give you a few guys that are in the 30-ish range right now. Okay? uh from 33 to 28 million. This is a list of about 10 to 12 guys. Jaylen Green, um Isaiah Quickley or Emanuel Quickley, excuse me, Drew Holiday, Jeremy Grant, Jordan P, Tyler Hero, Julius Randall. So, some good players. Dejante Murray, Chris Sporzing, CJ McCullum, Isaiah Hartenstein, and Jaylen Johnson. So, there’s some guys in there that maybe have played to that level, others that they’re hoping to play to that level. And I think that’s where Kaminga is is more like in that Jaylen Johnson um you know that young guy Jaylen Green like hey look they’ve shown us some flashes where will he be in two to three years and will we have a true like value to the contract in those kind of guys. That’s interesting. Jason grab that list again. I I want to I’m going to try to do something here because it did sound like around eight to 10 players you read off. Yeah. Trying to think of a situation here for a question I want to ask myself. If if the Kings had the option to grab any of those players, including Kaminga, on the same exact contract and to trade the same exact thing. Uh-huh. Who would I want more than Jonathan Kaminga? So, go ahead and read those off again if you would. I know your answer was going to be I think. All right. Uh, let me give you one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. There’s 12 players. Okay. Uh, and these guys are Jaylen Green’s on the high end making 333 and Hartenstein’s on the low end at 285. But they’re all between 285 and 33. So let’s say they’re all making just for just for argument. They’re all making 25 million a year for three years. Just just even everything out. All right. All right. So Jaylen Green’s the first one. Uhhuh. Emanuel Quickley. Uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. I’d probably take Emanuel quickly. Okay. This is wait in place of Kaminga or like the same I would take I would take Quickly over if you gave me a choice between getting Quickly on a $25 million a year deal trading the same amount we would trade for Kaminga to Quickly uh for Quickly. Would I rather have Quickly or Kaminga? I’m trying to figure out what Kaminga’s value is in comparison to these other players. So yeah, I I would take Green and Quickly over Kaminga. Drew Holiday. No. Interesting. I I let me explain. I I think Drew Holidayiday is a better player than than Jonathan Kaminga right now. I do. But I think Jonathan I think I think Kaminga has a lot more years ahead of him obviously than Holiday does behind him. I think ultimately Kaminga is going to give you more bang for the bunk buck over the duration. It’s age only. Jeremy Grant. Kaminga for sure. Pool Jordan Pool. Kaminga for sure. Tyler Hero. Hero. I know you’re going to say hero. Julius Randall. I I obviously I should and will say Rand. I I get it. I I know why you think what you’re thinking and you’re not wrong. But he god, I can’t escape the idea that there’s something else with Julius Randall when it comes to teams that bothers them or the clubhouse or whatever. I’m still taking Julius Randall, but but I had to think about it. Uh, Dejonte Murray. So, I’m gonna take Kaminga here largely because of Murray’s injury issues. Fair. Uh, Porzingis. Definitely. I would take Jonathan Kaminga. CJ McCullum. Similar to Jeru Holiday, I would take Kaminga. Uh, Jaylen Johnson of the Hawks. To me, that’s a comp. Like, that’s on young potential done some things. And I mean, he’s making 30 for this year, next year, the year. like he’s got 30 even. He’s right on the $30 million mark. Let me look at Jaylen Johnson again. One, two, 30 million over the next four years for him. The thing the thing is is that he doesn’t turn 24 to December. And he’s averaging 19, 10, and five. Yeah, I love Jaylen Johnson. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t overrating Jaylen Johnson. I’ll tell you this. I’ll I’ll tell you the problem with Jaylen Johnson, honestly for me is he’s been in the league four seasons. He’s played 184 games. It’s the only thing that gives me pause. He averages, let me do the math here. He averages 41. Is that right? 41 games a year. And you said he was 1910 and five. 1910 and five. Would Kamita have that on a team? like if he was literally given the minutes that I mean I’m asking I don’t know the answer but no I think it’s on Toronto and they said you’re our starting four and you’re playing every minute so let me just see here uh just remember the the 35.7 35.7 all right let me bring up Kaminga because I want to give you I think it’s a I think it’s a hell of a question Jason let me give you the answer here 35.7 so last year Kaminga averaged 15 and 4 and a half and two a little over two assists. Okay. But he did it in 24.3 minutes. Johnson did it. Yeah. 35.7 minutes and and also starters minutes. Um so points he’s probably there. Rebounds, close assists, I would say he wouldn’t be, but that’s okay. No, I would say I think I think I think with those minutes you’re probably looking at 20 21 points. You’re probably looking at eight boards, three assists, maybe. Yeah, exactly. And and maybe a full block a game a little. I mean, it is. I It really is. And and and the thing with Kaminga, we continue to go back to the same thing. The the Kings are the team that’s that you have to take some of these flyers. Like, you do you have to They’re not in a you know, for the same group out there that’s like, I don’t want to rebuild. I don’t want to take. Okay. Well, this is one of those times where and I think the Warriors are shrewd about this. They understand that the value with Kaminga is in those flashes and that potential. But I will say this, it does seem like the Warriors are willing to give him up for I think has been reported and I think it’s a right report. um a talented young player, not not an all-star, but somebody that just again somebody like Keon Ellis or somebody like that and and and a protected first round pick, they’re willing to do that. Here’s here’s my one of the biggest pauses I have with Jonathan Kamiga. If if there are issues enough to where they’re willing to let him go on a Warriors team that has the foundation they have with Steve Cerr and Draymond Green and obviously Steph Curry and and they didn’t solve the riddle or at least enough to hold on to him. Well, I have infinitely more respect for the culture and the stability of the Warriors franchise as I do the Sacramento Kings franchise. So, is that an issue? Yeah. Yes. I mean, I I that’s my Well, that’s where I land. Like, to me, the idea of Jonathan Kaminga as a player, so let’s remove him somehow in our minds from the Warriors and say all the things you said about him, Dave. 24 potential, still getting there. Like all the things to me would add up to a team like Sacramento going that is a risk worth taking. It’s not a guy that hasn’t played in the NBA. It’s a guy that when we’ve seen play checks a ton of boxes. I think the other bonus if you’re Sacramento, let’s just pretend again not the Warrior part, but it’s Kaminga as a player. The concept of him, Kings added him today. We don’t know what it would be for, but I think he immediately slides to the four. Keegan goes to the three. You address D. Rosen via trade or bench or levie like some I think you’ve balanced the roster pretty quickly in that not balanced it completely but like the starting lineup much better um that to me is all the positives age potential I don’t think the contract would be like absurd um all of that I I the one I can’t ignore is the what you just said like the Warriors have as good of a winning culture as anybody um veterans that have policed that team well. They’ve won consistently and the fact that even while he was there at times like why doesn’t he play like why why is he not featured on that team to me to have Butler Draymond and Steph kind of when they sorted that all out and then him with that group consistently seemed like it made a ton of sense but that didn’t always happen. So that flag, whatever that is, is one that intrigues me as to why why was that going on there of all places, whereas and maybe it’s, hey, just a new team and just go and play will will be the thing, but I I would have some reservations about that. I agree with you. And and look, we’ve unfortunately and Kings fans, I don’t blame him for not wanting to hear this line of thinking, but it would be silly to not um you have just as older Kings fans will remember back in the early 2000s the Vernon Maxwells and the John Barerries and the Scott Pards and the Bobby Jacksons and seemingly every every Journeyman player that came here ended up revitalizing their career because of the culture and the system that the Kings had. Well, that can have opposite or or or or separate effects. And right now, unfortunately, the Kings are in a spot where Look, Scott Perry has a pattern at least that I think one thing is identifiable. You’ll remember that that summer he was here with Vlad. The Kings signed Zack Randolph, Vince Carter, and George Hill. Well, they’ve already signed Dennis Shruder. They’re having conversations with Russell Westbrook. I don’t think there’s a third comp in there. Kaminga certainly doesn’t apply. He’s much much younger. But I think Scott Perry likes to have those those locker room guys and that’s that’s the fix for the culture. Unfortunately, when he tried this before, you know, George Hill was a wash. That that that just didn’t work. Vince Car look Vince Carter is one of my favorite players of all time and he definitely had some moments in Sacramento, but it’s he he was at the end of his time. um and and Zack Randolph would like I I would say all three of them were really non-factors and and we can’t quantify however well did those guys end up helping uh De’aran Fox and some other young guys develop and things we can’t Okay so Kaminga coming here as you said you have to talk about it if if he can’t make it in the Warriors culture or at least isn’t making it to the point where we’re in in the fourth year of his uh of his career and we’re still wondering what the hell he is. Uh it ain’t getting better in Sacramento almost certainly. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think now it’s I mean I don’t blame him and his camp for wanting that kind of the the standoff here is you know what are the Warriors willing to get to um the teams that are interested like the Kings like what is there a tipping point? Is there someone else in the discussions that the Warriors are wanting that the Kings aren’t willing to give up? So, you know, there’s no hurry here, but it probably needs to be addressed within a month or so. I also think it’s important to remember, too, how often do you see interdivision trades, especially for somebody who has potential, like the last thing the Warriors want is for their time to run out and a team like the Kings, as unlikely as it is, uh, pass them by being led by a guy they traded in their own division. I’m not saying that means it won’t happen, but I’m saying historically it doesn’t happen that often, right? So, right, we’ll take a break when we come back.

Restricted free agent forward Jonathan Kuminga is reportedly in the market for a new contract worth $30 million a year. Should the Sacramento Kings give him a contract near that figure?

Carmichael Dave and Jason Ross discuss the pros and cons of paying Kuminga that much, and compare him to other players who are in the $30 million a year range.

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