WHY A KINGS-WARRIORS JONATHAN KUMINGA SIGN-AND-TRADE IS STILL INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO PULL OFF…
Guys, just a quick little update from me before I get started. In less than 24 hours time, I’m jetting off on a massive holiday around the world. Uh going to be gone for just over a month here. So, what that means for the channel is this will be the last episode for the time being from this location. Obviously, while I’m traveling, uh I won’t be taking my microphone. I won’t obviously be on my desktop, which I am now. Uh, I’ll have my little laptop to continue writing and I’ll try and get some small shorter episodes out once the Warriors obviously make these fragy moves that we’ve been waiting upon. Obviously, I’d hope that the Jonathan Kaminga situation would have been resolved by now and that the Warriors would have also made their signings of our Hallford, DeAnthony Melton, and whatever else. But unfortunately, that’s not been the case. Again, you can continue uh reading my work over at bluemanhoop.com and I will try and make uh a couple episodes uh now and again obviously once we get a resolution on the Kaminga situation and other free agency signings as well. But thank you very much for the support particularly over the past month or so as free agency has got underway. It’s been a frustrating period for Warrior fans. I know I I feel all of that. Uh, but thank you very much for the the support and uh we’ve reached over 2,000 subscribers. So, I’ll have a couple of uh episodes hopefully from different countries around the world in the next month or so, but I’ll be back uh September 5. I land back home. So, uh you can believe that I’ll be uh’ll be getting back down to it uh getting ready for training camp obviously and then the uh the start of the season the following month. Thanks again guys. On this episode, I’ll be uh I’ll be jumping into more of the Jonathan Kaminga situation and specifically in regards to the Sacramento Kings and having a look at some of these financial details which makes a Kaminga trade to the Kings very difficult. Guys, welcome back to the Golden State with Mates podcast. I wanted to jump back into the the potential Kings Warriors kind of sign and trade scenarios here involving Jonathan Kaminga because Sacramento have reemerged I suppose as the leading suitor for Kaminga potentially along with the Phoenix Suns as well. Uh but we had the report from Slater a couple of days ago now on ESPN radio in Sacramento, I think, uh talking about the fact that the Kings and general manager Scott Perry uh and head coach Doug Christie had been in contact with JK uh trying to pitch pitch to him. Uh and obviously he was open-minded quote open-minded to uh to potentially joining the Kings this off season. So, I thought I’d just jump back into these potential sign and trade scenarios with the Kings because there’s been a lot of debate and a lot of angst, I think, between Warrior and King fans on social media, particularly going back maybe a few weeks ago now when the Kings interest really started to drum up. uh and now even more so in the in the last couple of days as well given they are once again potentially the leading suitor here for Jonathan Kaminga as his frag situation continues to drag on here nearly into August. The issue for me with the Sacramento situation is that and I’ve been in debates with King Kings fans on social media and it’s a bit frustrating but I I suppose the we’re all you know we’re all entitled to our opinions. Obviously I value JK at a higher level than what Kings fans probably do. Uh and they don’t understand the leverage necessarily that the Warriors have in this situation as restricted free agent. Uh but I also probably don’t value uh their players as much as what they would do as well. So, it’s just this is just what happens, right? It’s just the reality of of fan bases probably overvaluing uh their own players and I think I’m I’m certainly part of that and I’m I’m sure you guys are to a degree as well and and there’s plenty of Kings fans and all fans across the league in the same scenario. But the issue for me is we can debate for hours and hours whether the Kings should be giving up Keon Ellison. I’ve seen a lot of debate among Kings fans on whether they should be giving up Keon Ellis in a Jonathan Kaminga trade. And I’m sure Warrior fans would have countless hours of debate as well on whether Keon Ellis is, you know, a good enough return for for Jonathan Kaminga in a signing trade. Personally, if you just said like if you took everything out of uh everything else out of it and just said, would you trade uh Jonathan Kaminga for Keon Ellis? I’d probably say given the scenario that we’re in right now, uh, yes, maybe because this has been dragging on so long and because of the context of it, it seems like JK doesn’t necessarily want to be at the Warriors, obviously. So, Keon Ellis, I think, would be a fine return. Uh, I I’m I’m not hugely into him, but I can certainly see the value in a guy that, you know, has been has developed over his threeyear career into one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. has shot 42.9% from three-point range across his three-year career, including I think 43.3% or nearly four attempts per game last season. So, that’s the kind of 3 and D guy the Warriors could really do with uh particularly alongside Steph. The only issue I kind of have with it is is that the Warriors are trying to get that kind of player anyway in DeAnthony Melton in free agency. And yes, like I suppose you could point at Ellis and say, well, he’s not coming off a torn ACL. He doesn’t have the injury concern as Melton. And yes, you could also just have both on the roster. I think they’re both quality enough players, two-way players to be able to have both of them and both play heavy minutes. But then you again put that within an environment that also has Brandon Pajki who’s probably going to be playing 25 plus minutes. Like I heard Monty Pool kind of say the other day that he wants pods back in like a 15 to 20 minute per game role and I was like like this dude average like 30 minutes in the playoffs. He’s going into his third year. like do we really think he’s going to be taking that much of a step back? Now perhaps there’s at times an overreiance on pods, but I think that’s an over reliance in actual oncourt role rather than the minutes he’s playing in terms of I think he fits perfectly with Steph and Jimmy and he’s like a third, fourth or fifth starter kind of thing. But as soon as you try and put the ball in his hands at this point of his career to be a creator more so, that’s where he gets into into into problems. So he can still play 30 plus minutes so long as like Steph and Jimmy are also on the floor kind of at the same time and he can play a more supplementary supplementary role to to those guys. So you got Pods, you’ve got if you bring in Melton, if you bring in uh sorry if you you’ve got Buddy Heield on the roster obviously who shooting is going to be important albeit I could see him taking a step back in his minutes. Uh, you’ve got mutual interest in Seth Curry, which I’m assuming if you got Kon Ellis in a Kaminga trade, that interest would probably dissipate from the Warriors side. As much as Steph may hate that, I just don’t think there’d be any need for Seth Curry in that situation. So, there’s just a a bunch of two guards and I don’t know where all the minutes would go around aside from Steve having to play three or four guard lineups, which I’m I know Warrior fans won’t be happy with. So to me like the value I have in Keon Ellis is I think diluted and lowered somewhat by the fact the Warriors are probably getting Melton anyway in on a veteran minimum uh contract in for a because again yes there’s a bit more injury risk there but I think Melton might actually be better uh than than Ellis if he gets up and going and he’s only it’s not like he’s old he’s like two years older than Kon Ellis so again yes there’s injury risk but I wouldn’t be I’m not as high on Ellis’s potential potentially other teams would be because I know that Melton is likely coming in for Angie and you’ve got Pods already who’s going to be playing 25 30 minutes at least as well. You’d imagine you could slide Jimmy to the two in some lineups particularly if Hitford’s coming in. You could slide Moody to the two. Like there’s just so many different options for the Warriors that frankly any shooting shooting guard um option from anywhere around the league I think is probably unless they’re an absolute superstar player like I’m not sure I have you know even my interest in and he’s not a shooting guard. that is more of a combo, maybe more of a point guard, but like Kobe White to me, my interest in him has lowered. You know, I’d still be I think okay if you know there was a signing trade there with Chicago that got Kobe White for JK. I think that would still be fine. But it doesn’t thrill me as much as what it once did because again, these this glut of guards that not only do the Warriors have right now, but they’re also available in free agency. So anyway, we can we can talk for hours on on Keon Ellis and and you can let me know in the comments whether you think that’s a fine return for the Warriors or not. But the issue is and you know the debates that I see on social media is there’s actually there’s there’s very few arguments where I see an actual framework of a trade in in place. And this is the thing is like okay would you trade Keon Ellis for Jonathan Kaminga? Well, if you say yes or no, it doesn’t really matter because if you say yes, like there’s still other parts of the trade that would need to be figured out because Keon Ellis makes $2.3 million. And this is where again the base year compensation stuff gets really really complicated because you’ve got a scenario where any sign and trade that happens, you are automatically hardcapped at the first apron. Right? The Kings are already hardcapped at the first apron because they made the Dennis Shruda sign and trade. So they are already at that point. The Warriors aren’t. But again, if they send Kaminga out and assign a trade, they will be. And so again, with the base year compensation rules, only 50% of Kiminga’s salary uh counting for the Warriors that they can take back in. Again, if you hard cap the first, you can take back an extra $7.5 million. So in all the kind of scenarios I’ve laid out, I’ve kind of suggested that Kaminga’s on like a $20 million per year contract. And that’s simply based on what I think is probably about right at this point and the lack of market for him. And also we had Fred Katz of The Athletic do a poll of 16 league executives a couple of days ago and they basically their mean average uh on that poll was $20.4 million and I think 10 of the 16 league executives said that Kaminga should be getting a three-year contract which to me is like 3 years 60 something around there which I’d be fine with the Warriors resigning him at that number. Uh, and I’m just not sure Sacramento are going to go much further than that as well. Because if we look at again like what they’ve got to trade here just to make the financials work, it’s pretty complicated. So what you’re looking at is if Kaminga is on $20 million, right? Then that’s half the Warriors can take back is 10 plus 7.5. That’s $17.5 million, right? And let’s assume that the Warriors aren’t going to want to include Moses Moody, Buddy Heield, or some kind of other smaller contract. Let’s let’s simplify this so it’s just Kaminga. Now, yes, you could add other salaries, but that’s like going to get really really complicated. And I’m not sure like are the Warriors going to want to give up like Kaminga and Moody and something else potentially to reach like Demard Rosen’s salary? I don’t think so. Like and so if we look at the guys that are making well let’s just look at the guys that are making between 10 and $20 million for the Kings. It’s essentially Keegan Murray. It’s Dennis Shruder who cannot be traded cuz he literally just signed. Uh and it’s Malik Monk. Now, the Warriors have already kind of put their nose up at Malik Monk and that opportunity. I think he’s making $18.4 million next season. Again, that would require the Kings to give Kaminga just over $20 million uh for for that to be actually viable in that scenario. Uh obviously, there was the sign and trade scenario previously where, you know, Monk was going to the Pistons and Truda was coming into the Kings and and and then obviously the Sarah Carter and two seconds. So, the monk thing the Warriors don’t really have interest in and I’ll I’ll circle back around to that in a second. The Shruda thing obviously can’t happen. Uh the Warriors wouldn’t want it to happen for starters and secondly it can’t be traded. Third, uh would you do like if the Warriors dream would be like and again I don’t want Kings fans to get really really angry with me when I mention the name of Keamari. I’m allowed to I’m allowed to mention the name Keari. I’m allowed to do it. I shouldn’t be put in jail for it. I shouldn’t be yelled at for it. Let me say Keegan Murray is the dream trade target for the Warriors and Warrior fans. The dream. It’s also an unrealistic dream at this point. Okay. So, when I write about it and I’ve got Kings fans coming back on me at social media saying, “How dare you even mention Keegan Murray?” It’s like, did you read the paragraph? I said, “That’s the dream for the Warriors.” I didn’t say it was realistic. I didn’t say the Kings were going to trade Keegan Murray. And so I’m allowed to mention his name. I’m saying it’s the dream for the Warriors. Not that it’s realistic, but if you’re the Warriors, you would at least ask, okay, how many picks would it take on top of Jonathan Kaminga to get Keegan Murray and perhaps take Dario Sarich’s contract back in in the meantime if that means you have to give a pick less or something like that? Because again, financially that would work, right? The the interesting thing to me here which I I really struggled to to make sense of when the reports first came out was the the Surich Carter in two seconds right and obviously from a value perspective we just didn’t think that was anywhere near enough from a worry perspective and Golden State quickly shut that down which is good that’s what they wanted now there has been this idea of oh well how about Sarich Carter and a protected first well for start and and like Kings fans again on on social media are kind of saying, “Oh, well, they’ve upped their offer that this is a stronger offer. Warriors Warriors should consider this.” And it’s like, well, hang on. A protected first, depending on what the what the other side of that is, could actually be worse than two seconds cuz of often times you had these trades where it’s a lottery protected first. But then if it doesn’t convey, it conveys into a second round pick. It’s like, well, one second round pick is worse than two second round picks. So really like at the end of the day is that actually better if it was a lottery protected pick and if it didn’t convey then and it conveyed to an unprotected pick the next year. Sure. Yeah, that’s a better offer, right? And the Warriors may potentially consider that. I’m just checking my watch again with these notifications coming through, but nothing on social media. We’ve been waiting uh 27 28 days here for this Kaminga thing to to happen and for Shams to report something concrete in regard to the Warriors and uh we haven’t got it yet. So I’m getting I’m getting quite uh quite frustrated as as you guys can imagine. But the issue with the the Surich and Carter and again taking picks like just taking picks completely out of the the window for the second and just looking at the the the finances of it. Sarich and Carter make a combined salary that again for this to work from a Sacramento perspective and for them to be able to stay under the first apron which they hardcapped at Kaminga would have to make a starting salary per year at less than $17.85 million next season. Does Jonathan Kaminga want to take less than $18 million on this contract? like and you could I suppose as a Kings fan you could argue well maybe he does just to get out of the Warriors and just to get into a situation where he can really spread his wings and try and develop into a star and be given um real starting opportunity and maybe it’s a I don’t know like a threeyear $51 million contract or something which to me just sounds pretty disgusting for JK but maybe he takes that and thinks well now I’ve got three years maybe the third year is a player option and I can uh because that’s the other thing sign and trades like the contract contract has to be a minimum of 3 years as well. So that’s the other thing you got to consider as part of this as well. So uh and is I think it might be 3 years guaranteed money. So you couldn’t even get a player option. So is it like 3 years 51 or 3 years between 3 years 50 and 55. Does Jonathan Kaminga want to accept that? I don’t think so. Like that’s not really attractive. I think the Warriors would be offering him more than that simply to resign with them. And that’s going to be the interesting balance to me is like there’s a good chance here I think that the Kings will actually offer less than what the Warriors will because again they’re hardcapped at the first apron and the Warriors can bring back Kaminga and get the Dean Anthony Mel Hawford signings done and go over the first apron and and obviously if they’re using their non- taxpayer mid-level they have to be hardcaped at the second apron but it gives them a little bit more wiggle room than what the Kings actually do with their finances kind of thing. So, I’ll be interested to see what the offer is from the because this is the thing like we’ve never actually got any reports of what the Warriors are offering. Only reports from Slater the other day saying that they believe the their offer is the best starting salary offer on the table for Kaminga currently. And again, we’ve got like no idea here of what the Kings are offering financially from a contract perspective. And again, I’m going to be interested to see in Kaminga’s head like and and his agency like how much less are you willing to take to go to Sacramento compared to if you’re actually getting more money from the Warriors? Like if you how much do you really really value that that potential opportunity to go and get a starting role and play 30 plus minutes guaranteed a game and be on a team that most expect is is probably going to be out of the playoff pitcher next season, you’d imagine. and are probably going to make moves to try and get worse in the short term in terms of potentially trading Demard Rosen Lavine if they could uh these these kind of things. So that’s going to be an interesting balance to me on whe on on how much Kaminga is willing to sacrifice because again if it’s Dario Sarich and it’s Devin Carter then the absolute max that the Kings can can offer here without getting a third team involved with it just being Sar and Carter going to the Warriors for Jonathan Kaminga like that the absolute max they can offer Kaminga in that scenario is a deal starting at 17 less than $17.85 85 million next season, which to me is too low. Like I don’t see Kaminga accepting that. So then we’ve got to like push on to, okay, well could you throw Ellis into it, right? Could it be Sar Carter and Keon Ellis for Kaminga? And then to me that’s like, well, that kind of makes some sense. Like I think the Warriors again would be maybe okay with a Keon Ellis for Kaminga swap. Uh the Kings when it comes down to it, who knows? Again, this has been debated significantly. If the Kings really really want Kaminga, maybe they put Keon Ellis on the table. The Ellis scenario to this is so so complicated because the fact that they obviously picked up his team option for 2.3 million and he’s going to be an unrestricted free agent next season. And the last thing I think the Warriors want to do is trade for one year of Keon Ellis. If you’re getting Keon Ellis in the trade, you see him as a valuable part to your future and you want to try and lock him down in the long term. So, the Warriors would want to be pretty confident in their ability to resign Keon Ellis if they do trade him or sorry, if they do get him back in a Kaminga trade. The issue with that is that it’s probably going to take 15 to 20 million at least per season for you to be able to do that. And then again, if you don’t, right, if you can’t get him on a new deal, then like there’s no leverage here in terms of the restricted frag of Kaminga. Ellis will be unrestricted. he can just leave next off season. And so again, the Warriors don’t want to put themselves in a situation where it’s like we traded Jonathan Kaminga who we still see as a pretty, you know, valuable asset and we got one year of Keon Ellis out of it. That’s not ideal. But then again, what are we willing to go to in terms of the finances of this on a new Keon Ellis deal? Like this is the thing where we can look at the potential trades right now, but with this new landscape in terms of the first and second tax apron, everything has to be looked through a prism of the next thing down the line. So if you trade for Keon Ellis right now, what’s the deal for him next? What’s the extension number look like? Right? How does that figure in to if Keon Ellis is going to want 15 to20 million? What happens with the Anthony Melton? If he comes back, has a bounceback season, right? plays really well, he’s probably going to want a similar number as well. Brandon Pajki is going to be extension eligible next offseason at the same time as well. Like that’s three shooting guards. Which one are you going to pay? Maybe you you kind of feel better about oh, we’ll just see which one the best is. But again, if Keon, sorry, if Keon Ellis isn’t part of that and you’ve just given up Kaminga for one average year of Keon Ellis, what’s the point, right? So these things have all got to be looked through a prism of not just the now, not just next season, but the year after and potentially the year after that. Like and this is we know the Warriors are trying to look through that kind of sphere because otherwise they probably would have given up the first round picks, multiple first round picks in potential trades to really upgrade the roster in the short term. So I don’t know the the Kon Ellis thing to me is super complicated but I suppose if you looked at again just in the short term does Surich Carter and Keon Ellis for Kaminga work? Well financially it probably does. The Warriors again might actually come to the conclusion that yes we’re happy with Keon Ellis for Jonathan Kaminga and the Kings might come to the conclusion that we got to give up something to get something. So we’ll we’ll relinquish Keon Ellis in this deal. Right. And the Warriors get another lottery protected. Sorry, not not the Warriors get another recent lottery pick in Devon Carter. Uh, so I suppose that deal could theoretically work. The issue then is like the Warriors bring in three players for one that have 12 players on the roster. Are they happy just signing Hawford and Melton after that and having like nine players they’ve got currently plus Hawford, Melton, Ellis, Carter, and Surich? I I don’t know. Like and that and that’s the thing once you bring in three guys for one and it limits your roster spots like Surich is basically a zero like he’s worse than zero in terms of value but you’re not going if you’re the Warriors you’re not going into next season expecting him to be a a rotation piece for you and then Carter and Ellis as you know as good as Ellis might be and as talented as Carter might be as a recent lottery pick like they’re two guards again two guards to add to Steph car Brandon Pajki, Buddy Heield, you bring in DeAnthony Melton. You’ve shown mutual interest in in Seth Curry. There’s uh Will Richard on a on a on a two-way contract who could try and push for rotation minutes. Like there’s just a glut of guards there. And again, I’m not sure why that’s going to necessarily interest the Warriors too much. So, this is why like I’ve I’ve laid out all these scenarios here in terms of Monk Keegan Murray. Obviously, the Kings that’s just obviously not going to happen. Thanks, Kings Vans. Uh Sarich C combinations of Sarich Carter, Sarich Carter and Ellis like D Rozan. I I heard the reports like the Kings would have a handshake agreement that if Kaminga comes in D Rozan be heading out the other way. The the only thing I could see it’s got to be some kind of multi- teamam trade and this is again it gets super complicated when you bring in a third team you’re trying to appease that third team is like is there a three team trade that could materialize where Monk or D Rozan go somewhere Kaminga goes to the Kings and the Warriors get something from that team that Monk or D Rozan go to like I don’t know like these things it’s just to me it’s like it’s way too complicated to understand right now honestly And if the Warriors could swap Kaminga for D Rozan right now, would they? I hate that spacing with Demar Rosen, but maybe they just think that’s a a talented bucket getter that they could do with potentially. So maybe they would. But again, the Rozan salary is too high. Even Monk’s salary is too high. uh depending on what kind of contract. Again, if the Kings were to push up to like 22 million a year for Kaminga, then the Warriors could get to Monk, but then they’ve shown no interest in doing that at this point. Uh and having I think the thing with Monk is that more so he’s he’s got three years left on his contract. And the Warriors don’t necessarily want to push past a contract that is again beyond the next two years of this cycle with Steph, Jimmy, and Draymond. Again, I think their only contracts beyond that point are Moses Moody, who’s on a pretty mid-tier salary, and Buddy Hill, who Buddy Hill, we got to remember, is making $9.2 million next season. Then his third year is only $3 million guaranteed. So, and then the fourth year is a player option. So, it’s like Buddy Hill this year is almost like an expiring contract, which again, getting off topic would could be interesting in a potential trade maybe. Uh, but again, that’s getting off topic. I don’t know. I’m just looking. Let me know, guys. Let me know if you and if you’re a Kings fan watching this, I don’t I don’t want to argue I don’t want to argue with you about what the value is. I just want to hear your trade proposals. I want to hear what the trade is and therefore what Kaminga is getting on his contract as part of it. Because if it’s Dario Sarich and Devin Carter, then you’re accepting that Jonathan Kaminga will will have to accept a contract at less than $17.85 million starting salary next season. That’s what you’re telling me. So, don’t know. I I don’t see it. I don’t see what the trade is. Uh and that’s why it’s so difficult to see that even if Kaminga wants to go to the Kings and and the Kings want him, I just don’t see how the finances work it out. I I would just have a situation where keep it in the back pocket, you know, resign if I’m the Warriors, just continue trying to resign Kiminga and then obviously if come fe, you know, January, February, you know, things aren’t working out and the Kings are still interested, then you might have more avenues to saying, okay, well, we can trade for um Demard Rosen or something like that and and take him off the King’s hands and do a straight swap there or something along those lines. I don’t I don’t know but I just right now given the the basic compensation rules given sign and trades hard cap both teams the first apron it’s difficult it is really really difficult to see and again you got to look through this a sphere you know look through a sphere of what this would mean for future moves down the track because again if the Warriors bring in Keon Ellis and suddenly have Ellis and Melton on expiring contracts and PMPky who’s going to be extension eligible. How does that work? If you’re the Kings, like look at the from from the Kings situation. You’re bring if you’re bringing Kaminga and retaining Keon Ellis and Keari. Great work. Fantastic. How are you signing Kaminga to as we assume like a $20 million per year contract or something around there? You’re going to be paying Murray at least 20 to 25. You’re going to be paying, you know, I would say Keegan Murray might want even more than that. You’re going to be paying Ellis 15 to $20 million a year at least. Like how are you bringing in Kaminga while also resigning Ellis and and Murray? That’s another question. Like you have to obviously try and get off D Rozan for expiring salary. I’d imagine maybe you can do that. Uh would you you know you’re obviously going to try and get off Lavine. I think that’s going to be way more difficult than uh what we probably understand in reality. So don’t there’s a lot of moving a lot of moving parts here and I think there’s probably too many moving parts and too many constraints that still to me makes a sign and trade difficult. But maybe that’s just me being an optimistic Warrior fan still hoping that hey I would probably prefer JK to come back at this stage. Again I’m not going to be mad if we get Kon Ellis. I think that’s okay. But again, what does that mean for Tanthony Melton? What does it mean for Brandon Pajki and his extension elig extension eligibility next offseason? I’m going to finish it up there, guys. Again, Warriors fans, Kings fans, throw me in the YouTube comments what you think a trade could look like. Make sure it actually works from a financial perspective cuz again, I don’t see much going on here unless it’s like a three team trade. And then even then, it’s it’s difficult to get an understanding of what that would look like right now because there’s been no reports or rumors of anything and there’s 28 other teams in the league who would have interest in Malik Monk. I’m sure some teams would. Are they going to be willing to give up something that the Warriors would then like in return for Kaminga? I don’t know if you’ve got some three team hypotheticals. I’d love to hear them. Honestly, genuinely love to hear them. So, uh, please let me know. Uh, thanks to those of you that are watching on YouTube or if you’re listening via your podcast feed. Uh, much appreciated for the ongoing support. As I said at the start of the episode, I’m going to be off in uh about 20 hours time right now. So, uh, yeah, 20 hours time I’ll be flying, uh, across the world, uh, around UK, Europe, that kind of thing. So, thoroughly looking forward to it. In the meantime, uh, I’ll still try and get, um, reactive pieces and stuff up for blueman hoop.com. Uh, there’ll be a few colleagues of mine looking after the site during that period as well. So, we’re going to be continuing to pump out content. And again, uh I’ll try and jump on my laptop to do uh a a couple of short episodes once the the Kaminga things goes down and then the subsequent moves that we expect for Horford and Melton as well. Thanks again, guys. If you haven’t subscribed to YouTube channel already, that would be greatly appreciated. You can follow me at PO252. That’s PK252 onx Twitter. And if you’re in America, it’s Sunday night. Have a great rest of your weekend.
The Sacramento Kings have re-emerged as perhaps the leading suitor for Jonathan Kuminga, but getting a sign-and-trade done with the Golden State Warriors is still incredibly difficult to figure out.
In this episode I’ll go through all the potential scenarios and how they would impact both teams both in the short-term and in subsequent moves further down the track.
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Don't worry about what Kings fans think. Until they win anything, they are a feeder club to the rest of the NBA.
Do some podcast while you’re traveling from some cool locations. It will boost your channel if you have some well known destinations in the clips. Love your breakdowns.
Sarc would immediately get waved I'd love Keon for Kuminga. I know your a JK fan but I'm not & I want him gone!!! Safe travels mate!!!
Wish you had talked about Steph saying he's not gonna retire anytime soon. This isn't good he can't make 60 million on his next contract especially with Jimmy & DG being nothing on offense and low-key washed. Those 3 can't make 90 percent of the cap. Im not a Podz fan I know you are so how do he get extended and those 3 do?
Have a nice trip, mate!
Do send us some postcards.
Btw- Only the receiving team is hard-capped in a S-and-T, not both teams.
And heaps of Warrior fans don't overvalue their players- at least one particular player, if you know what I mean. 😂😂😂
Phoenix has best trade package
You do a phenomenal show bro. Go Dubs
Have safe trip my dude 👌🏿
These are not the Sacramento Kings droids you are looking for … I've never heard of this Ellis player You speak of and I've watched Kings Warriors games … Looking for talent in Sacramento or Phoenix is like looking for a needle in the haystack..
Have a GREAT trip stay safe!! 🙏
If I have to make a prediction, I see JK going to Phoenix..
Obviously they wouldn't go after Melton if they trade for Ellis.
Kerr was playing Dario over Kuminga. Now, you don’t want Dario?
Melton has back issues losss lateral quickness.. Neon Keon is more durable…Keegan is not A perimeter defender….shooting gotten worse.
For me, it is Keegan Murray for JK. I know King might hesitate, but I don’t see any other scenarios that makes sense for dealing with them. If JK is that keen to leave GSW, he should push the Kings to ‘want’ him.
Keep Jonathan Kuminga and trade Draymond Green and Moses Moody to Boston Celtics for Derrick White and Georges Niang
Magic: Monk
Kings: Kuminga 3 yr 67.5m (team option)
Warrior: Carter, Jonathan Isaac
DeRozan to MIL,
Kuzma, Devin Carter to PHO,
JK, Grayson Allen to Sac
Keon Ellis, Royce O'Neal to GSW plus a protected 1st from MIL
it Kuminga is worth more than a young prospect and a 1st then just pay him
I’m with you. The only players I’d want are Lavin or KMurray. Enjoy your trip homie! Jeez I miss Australia.
In general a good 2 way role player who isnt old is a good return for Kuminga atp. Im just worried about the abundance of guards, and not just because of salaries and extensions. The league is trending towards two big lineups, wings, lineups with no players below 6'5. Meanwhile the Warriors will have like 8 guards 6'4 and under, 3 forwards 6'6-6'7, Horford who isnt the biggest for the position and obviously old, and 2 backup centers with question marks… Youre supposed to have a ratio of 2:3 in favor of the frontcourt, not the other way around lol
I guess when you have roster imbalance you can use it to flip some of the guards to more frontcourt talent, so if thats their end goal maybe it can make sense somehow
I'd be good with a Keon Ellis for JK swap.
I think the warriors lack 3 things: 1) a true backup ball handler, that can create advantages for teamm8s, when Steph doesn't play.
2) a 2-Guard that can play alongside Steph, as a play finisher/ play extender and be a POA guard defender that navigates screens and can provide tons of ball pressure
3) a 2-way Big Forward that can slot in the 4/5 spot to replace some of Draymond's production.
I guess Hortford can help for #3 for limited minutes 😂
Keon provides the #2 need
Warriors still lack that #1 need, but I guess Jimmy should in theory provide that. But there will be games where both Jimmy and Steph do not play.
Love your show. Bro, count me out on Keegan Murray. Other than the blind love that Kings fans have and the annoying chant that they bellow when he randomly makes shots… I don’t see it. He is not clutch and he is not consistent in any way. There is no way that guy has the upside that Kuminga has. Straight up I would not make that trade but to attach pics. I’m away with almost every take you have about the Warriors, but I do not get the love for Murray. Almost any Kings fan would give up before they give up Ellis or Monk. Monk is beloved by fans and for good reason. Even if the trade were possible straight up for Ellis, that is also not a return for value. There is far more depth in the league at tweener guards that can play defense then there are front court players with the ability to get line like Kuminga has. JK’s shot is not broken, it can improve.
Yes, for Keon Ellis.Kuminga’s value is rock bottom.I don’t think you can get better for him.
Kings fans gotta take their anger out on somebody lol Nothing you said was outrageous