EP. 539 – The Annual Drew Gooden Pod – Orlando Magic Podcast

EP. 539 – The Annual Drew Gooden Pod – Orlando Magic Podcast

This is the Sixman Show, an Orlando Magic podcast with your hosts Kevin Tucker and Jonathan Osborne covering all things Magic Basketball by fans for fans. Go Magic. What’s going on Orlando Magic fans? You guys are back with the six-man show. Today is July 28th, 2025. Jonathan Osborne here as always joined by my co-host Kevin Tucker. Kevin, what’s up, man? Yo, what’s up? Another day, another episode, another uh opportunity to talk about our favorite team and this time with one of our favorite people. Have to be joined by Drew Gooden. You guys will enjoy that uh conversation that we had with him here later in the show. But yeah, I’m doing great. How are you doing? Great. We have to mention the real Drew Gooden. Not the NBA Drew Gooden, but the comedian YouTube personality and former Magic player, by the way, you know, the the NBA Drew Gooden played for the Magic for a short amount of time, but not nearly as important or, you know, valid these days in the Magic world as the real Drew Gooden. So, yeah, glad to have him on. In all seriousness, I do think like our Drew Gooden is the most like relevant and famous Drew Gooden at this current period in time, like amongst the the younger generation especially. Of course, if you ask like a 17-year-old, they will almost certainly know who Arj Gooden is. Like, there was a bald dude that played basketball. I have no idea who that is. Yeah. And if I’m not if I’m not mistaken, I’m trying to remember, you might remember this, too. Was Drew Gooden at one point, didn’t he also have the the haircut where it was bald on top and he had a small stretch in the back? A little patch of hair on the back. Yeah, that’s just that’s an L right there. Have you ever thought of doing that? No, absolutely not. Can’t say that I have. Yeah. Yeah. For that reason and that reason alone, I’m picking picking this Drew Gooden. Yeah. Love it so much. Yeah. No, he’s he’s awesome. Always really fun to get his perspective. And it’s so cool like knowing what he does and how much he puts into like his profession, but also how locked in he still is like very normal dude. Like just really is like you know all the success that he’s had like he’s still one of the boys and that’s why we that’s why we love Drew and having him on. So that conversation was a ton of fun. Um, really quickly, just had to say this because people have asked me knowing that, you know, I love golf and I love Adam Sandler. Happy Gilmore 2, Kevin. I will I I’m not going to say don’t watch it cuz like I I do think it’s it’s worth the watch, but just go into it knowing that like the first hour is exponentially better than the second hour of it. Like the second hour of it is legitimately awful. Yikes. But, you know, still a lot of cameos, a lot of fun, a lot of fanervice in it. But uh yeah, the second half gets a little they lose the plot. Like quite literally lost lost the plot in that book. I still need to see the OG. I haven’t seen I’ve only seen I’ve seen a bunch of scenes obviously like the Bob Barker scene like all that kind of stuff. Okay. Well, since Jonathan left, uh you guys have watched the six-man show and we will catch you guys next time. Just kidding. Please don’t leave. Um cool. I guess I’m doing the show by myself. Jonathan’s gone. You have actually got to be freaking joking. I I feel like we’ve talked about this before, but no, I’ve never seen it. But it’s one of those movies like there’s so many scenes that have been on YouTube and social media and stuff. You feel like you’ve seen like I know the plot. Like obviously I’ve seen him swing the club in the most wild and wacky way, which is very entertaining. Uh but no, I have not seen the whole movie. Sue me. Uh but it’s it’s Hey, the Bob Barker stuff is very funny. At least I know that. No, def definitely a classic. Um but yeah, second one wouldn’t say it’s a classic. There is some some like the my favorite part is like the PG like the actual you know real life professional golfers that are in it like Jordan Speed, Scotty Sheffller, Rory Mackroy, Bryson Dashambo, like Xander Schoffley, Ricky Fowler like those guys in it have some genuinely incredible moments especially Scotty Sheffer like spoiler alert like he gets arrested at one point in the movie he’s like oh not again like you know him able to you know poke fun at at at that kind of stuff is really great but anyways Back to business here, folks. We announced a couple weeks ago that we are looking for a new host of the Six Fan Show. We’re going to keep those submissions open for about another week before we really start like reaching out to people and and um like doing interviews, all that kind of stuff. So, um, if you have any interest in hosting the six fan show, not the podcast here, but the six fan show that we do outside of Kia, you know, 10 to 15 times a year and after playoff games. You’re interested, if you are local to Orlando, we also have to remind people of that you have to be local to Orlando. Um, but if you’re interested in that, we’ll put the link in the, you know, YouTube video description, and the podcast description. and we have a Google form that we’ll need you to to fill out in like a quick, you know, minute to two minute, you know, video submission like telling us why you think that you’re a good fit for that. And like let your personality come through on that. Like that’s what we’re looking for. Like you have to kind of be a personality to to do this. Like we want it to be entertaining and and engaging and everything like that. So if you haven’t done so already, again, we’re going to leave that open for like another week or so to just make sure you guys get those in if if you’re interested at all. Yeah, absolutely. And like like Jonathan said, we’ve had a few people I think a little confused or not understand thinking, you know, we’re we’re looking for a host of this show. This show is covered. Unfortunately, you’re stuck with me and you’re stuck with Jonathan, at least for now. Um but yeah, we’re talking about the six fan show. And if you haven’t seen that, you don’t know what that is. You can go check it out on our YouTube page. But yeah, um I don’t like that you’re saying for now. I mean, look, all things come to an end, right? You never know. Well, I had a dream recently that Kev was like, “Dude, I’m done.” Oh my god. And now now he’s making me a little a little nervous here. So yeah, not not yet. Not yet. No. Okay, perfect. Okay, we do have some Magic news. The Magic have signed guard Jamal McCain to a 2-way contract as they’re like really starting to fill out the training camp roster. I’m sure in the, you know, probably, you know, next month and a half, we’ll start to get some more like exhibit 10, you know, training training camp contract and those types of deals to to come out. Um, but just a little bit about Jamali. Actually, not a guard, more of like a a wing, as a matter of fact. 67. For some reason, I thought 6’5, but that obviously is not correct. According to basketball reference anyway, it might be giving him, you know, never mind. Um, I was about to say a sentence that Yeah. Yep. Definitely not going to say that. Yep. Yeah, sure. Um, so Jamal Jamal Kane, um, went to Marquette, uh, started his career with the Miami Heat, just like our recent two-way signing, Orlando Robinson. Um, played a couple years with the Heat. uh last year played with the New Orleans Pelicans and he appeared in 37 games with the slew of injuries that they had and he averaged 5.3 points per game, 2.3 rebounds. He shot, let’s see, 43% from the floor, 32% from behind the arc. So, not necessarily like a knockdown shooter. Um but excited to see what he can bring to the roster. So, Jamal McCain on a 2-way. And then uh Jace Richardson after the strong summer league showing that he had he has signed a multi-year shoe deal with Nike. So uh another member of the Nike family on the Magic roster joining like Fron Vagner, Paliban Carro, obviously. Um yeah, happy for Jace Richardson and looking forward to see him hooping in some uh you know some Nikes. Yeah, it’s very cool. Very happy for him and um yeah, it’s going to be interesting to see you know I don’t know. It’s I guess I can’t talk. It’s it’s always interesting with rookies to see where they go because you know obviously I mean we’ve played 2K before right? You know there’s all these brands that line up and 2K is 100% accurate like to real life I know but I’m sure there are all these brands that line up and you know like the smaller brands more than likely are for certain guys throwing a lot of money at them to try and get them versus a Nike where it’s like you know they’ve got all the big names and everything. So, I’m always I’m always curious what that is like. Like that ultimate decision like do I go with what’s tried and true and what I’ve maybe grown up wearing my whole life. You know, I’m a Nike guy or whatever or this random company from China or whatever that’s offer me double that. Do I just sell out and go for it? I don’t know. It’s always interesting to me. But yeah, cool to see him go with Nike and excited to see him uh like you said, hoop this year in some Nikes. Apart from like these guys being in the NBA, which of course we’re envious of. ‘d love to, you know, be talented enough to be able to to do that. But someday, Jonathan, someday. No, my you might. My day, I can assure you. Um, you know, that that small window that I had where maybe it was a possibility. No, it was absolutely never happening. Um, but like I always think it’s cool when these guys sign these shoe deals like, uh, you know, Quinton Richardson always talks about like his, you know, uh, you know, sponsorship essentially and his deal with Jordan, like being part of the Jordan family. he gets every single Jordan that comes out. Like they’re sending him clothes and shoes like year round to wear. Like that would be so sick. Just Yeah. I just they just sent me the the newest Nikes, you know, to wear wherever I go. And you know, like you’re never wanting for, you know, brand new shoes. Like I wear I’ve worn Air Forces like pretty religiously for like the past, I don’t know, 16, 17 years, just like pure white, like the clean, you know, like Air Force ones. And like after six, seven months, they’ll start to get a little bit crease, start to, you know, not be as, you know, shiny and all that kind of stuff. And I find myself buying yet another pair of Air Forces, the same shoe I’ve worn for 17 years. And it’s like, you know, it it would just be cool if like every six months I just got a brand new free pair of Air Forces in the mail. So good good for Jace. Doesn’t have to worry about Air Force. I mean, you know, given who his dad is and the money he’s making now, he doesn’t have to worry about Air Forces anyways, right? But, you know, to get them for free. Hey, that’s that’s always nice, you know. Yeah. So, so good for him. And, um, yeah, excited. And, you know what else I’m excited for is eventually to get like the Paulo Bancero like signature shoe like when Jordan, you know, probably another year or two. I think we’re away from that, but like the P5 signature shoe to come out. Um, going to be really sick. Maybe he’ll have another, you know, kind of colorway like they did with the the the Jordan Air, you know, um, last year. Sure, we’ll get another version of that at some point, but looking forward to like the uh eventual signature shoe from Palo Bank. Um, and then yeah, one last little announcement here. So, this coming Wednesday, so the episode will come out Thursday of this week as you’re listening to this is going to be our anything but magic episode where we’re answering all of your questions as long as they don’t have anything to do with the Magic. So, answering all questions that have anything to do with the Orlando Magic. So, we’ve already got a ton of those. Kev has like a running document that he keeps updating with that. So, whether you want to email that to us, comment it in like the YouTube comment, send that to a direct message or, you know, like add us on Twitter, whatever you want to do, be sure to get those in before July. And like some of the qu before July, before Wednesday, goodness gracious, I I guess that’s going to be the last day of July. So, it’s before July ends. But the questions that we’ve got so far, I think this is shaping up to be even more fun than it was last year. Yeah. Which I’m excited for. A lot of submissions. Yeah. It’s going to be very, very interesting, very entertaining, and yeah, again, you’ll you’ll see a side of us you never see cuz this is stuff we never talk about on the show, and it’s always a good time. Yeah. Looking forward to that. So, get those questions in. Um, you’re probably safe if you get those in before like 6 or 7 o’clock on Wednesday. After that, we we can make no guarantees that we’ll see it and be able to add it into the show. And probably going to be a lengthy pod, but you know, it’s just fun. Yeah, we get to talk about stuff that otherwise we wouldn’t have the opportunity to. So, all right. Um, let’s now without further ado, get into our just ton of fun, really awesome conversation that we had with our friend Drew Gooden. And now, Magic fans, we are joined by a very special guest, our good friend, YouTuber, and comedian, the real Drew Gooden. Drew Gooden, what’s going on, man? Thanks for taking the time. How have you been? I’ve been great. Thanks so much for introducing me. Is the real Drew Gooden? I I know you’re a basketball podcast, so you would think that the other one would take priority, but I don’t know. How many times has he been on the show? And how many times have I been on the show? So, that’s exactly right. A great friend of the show. Now, I’m trying to think how many times you’ve been on this show now. This is probably like five or six, maybe something like that. Yeah, at least five. It’s It’s becoming a yearly tradition uh every summer when you guys run out of things to talk about and you got you’re like, “Well, we got to get Drew on. We got I don’t know. We’re just killing time here, man. I don’t know. That’s not entirely inaccurate. I don’t have any time of the season.” But yeah, but that means if you’ve been on five or six times, I know the other Drew Gooden has been on less than one time. So, you have beat him uh definitely so far. But uh what does the summer look like for Drew Good. And for by the way, I guess I should just say for those that don’t know, yes, Drew, you might know him from YouTube, but deep down, Drew is a diehard Orlando Magic fan. Not even deep down, very open about it. You know, it’s not a secret. Uh but yeah, so in case you didn’t know that or didn’t know who Drew is, like we said, he’s friend of the show, been on a few times and a diehard Magic fan. What does Drew do in the in the summer? There’s no Magic Basketball. There’s no Dolphins football. I know you’re a Dolphins fan. What does the summer look like for Drew? Good. Well, yeah. I mean, every It’s always a little sad during the summer cuz like I I mean, I guess there’s baseball, but I’ve never been a big baseball guy. So, for me, the summer is like there’s no sports that I really care about. The weather’s miserable. I just want to fast forward to like football season and especially this year, basketball season. I can’t wait. I’m so pumped for the just seeing the new jerseys, the new court, the uh the not the new court, but you know, the new colors on the court and and just October is going to be so fun. and I can’t wait to be at opening night. But the summer is just like you’re just looking at your watch like what do what do I do? And um so I’m in I’m in LA this summer. I’ve got a couple like shows I’ve doing and uh just kind of working on some videos out here and some collabs and um enjoying the not so terrible weather and uh it’s been a lot of fun so far. So speaking of the new jersey and logos and the new court, the last time that Kevin and I saw you was at the unveiling event. What was that like the beginning of June? We all were sitting together at that event. Tons of fun. Um, but like things happened so quickly, like everybody rushed down to like the merch popup. We didn’t get a ton of time to talk to you about that after. Like what were your thoughts on like that event in general, but then also the logo, the jerseys, the court, the merch? Like that was so fun. I mean, I think like I know that there were there were kind of rumors about it coming, but I I was kind of out of the loop on that. So, when I got a text, I think it was someone from the Magic that morning was just like, “Do you want to come?” or the day before like, “Do you want to come to this thing?” And I’m thinking, “Well, it’s got to be like a rebrand or something because it was it’s such random timing for anything else.” Um, so I was so pumped and um I know a lot of fans were were kind of clamoring for for an update. Um, and I just think it was I was really excited when I saw it. It was like best of both worlds where it’s like got this kind of modern spin but it’s definitely an ode to the the classic Magic look which you know we’ve had so many great uniforms over the years and then we kind of ended up with some not so great ones for a while comparatively. Um, but I just think it’s a perfect time for it too cuz the team’s on the rise and uh, you know, then we make that big trade and it’s like there’s a lot more clarity with the roster and it just feels like like this is the next few years are like this is our window is now opened up and so it couldn’t be better timing with the rebrand. I know they had worked on it for a couple years. I’m glad they unveiled it when they did because like imagine if they did this and then we did, you know, had those couple rebuilding years, it would have tainted it a little bit, but I think this is a perfect off season for this. Um, I’m pumped about it. I’m I’m dangerously optimistic about this team. I’m I’m really setting myself up for for some heartbreak, but uh you know that sports, at least in my experience, that’s sports. For some people, it’s not. For some people, sports is great. For me, it’s usually like maybe this year. No. Yep. You know, hey, we know the feeling all too well. Going back to the rebrand really fast, um I’m curious, you know, Amanda, your wife, is, you know, pretty fashion forward. She’s a great photographer. you know, takes all kinds of, you know, great pictures of models and all that kind of stuff. What is her opinion of the rebrand? Has she seen it? Does she have opinion on the the logo, the jerseys, all that kind of stuff. Is she in or is she like Yes, she loved it. No, she was she we got the Amanda stamp of approval, so I think that’s a good sign. Most important stamp. Absolutely. I think it’s a good sign we’re headed in the right direction. So, she liked the uniforms a lot. Um I think she really liked the the statement ones the most, the the black ones. Um Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But uh yeah, the whole Gooden household is excited. Even my cat. Even your cat. Love that. So, you talk about your level of expectations. Like, where are you? Cuz we kind of go back and forth. You know, there’s a pretty good dynamic on the show here. I’m like the hopeless optimistic. And Kevin sometimes will join in on the fun, but then has to, you know, like be the Debbie Downer, bring us back to reality sometimes, which is is definitely needed, and I I do appreciate it. Where are you at current day? Yeah, I mean I definitely right in the heart of the off season. I’ve been doing this my whole life with football too where it’s like there’s really no reason to be pessimistic right now because anything could happen. So I’m like sky’s the limit. Um but if you know there’s it’s like it’s hard because it’s like the the potential’s there. I really like the roster. Um but it’s just it’s going to come down to injuries and you hate to even talk about it or speculate about it but that’s just that’s been the history of the team. So it’s like, you know, but that it could also happen to any team. It could happen to any player. A catastrophic injury that we saw during the playoffs and that’s part of why the East is so feels so wide open because of these like kind of freak injuries. So anything could happen. But because anything could happen, I’m clinging to hope that we’re like I think on paper we’re like one of the best three teams in the East this year. Um I think we’ve got uh a lot of depth to get through the season. Um, even if guys do go down, I think like, you know, as long as it’s nothing major and it’s just like a few games here and there, I think like I think we can go on a run and then it’s just going to come down to, you know, getting over the hump in the in the playoffs, which for the past few years has been like first round exits. But um I think you know if I was I was kind of saying the same thing last year when we came off the the Cavs series and we were thinking like you know if we just keep exponentially better every year then now like we try to get a top four seed we have an easier matchup in the first round maybe we get to the second round or third round and um but I think that’s a lot I think that’s a lot more of a possibility this year. We’ve got some extra shooting. Um, I loved both our moves uh with Ty Jones and Desmond Bane and I just But I also this time last year I was praising KCP. I was like, “This is it. This is we we cracked the code.” Um, so I don’t know. Cautiously optimistic, but definitely more optimistic than cautious. I don’t know. There you go. That’s Hey, it’s a it’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully it doesn’t our dreams don’t get crushed. Going back to the Desmond Bane move. Mhm. Uh did you see that coming? Like what was your initial reaction to that? Cuz like I know like like Jonathan said, we just saw you, you know, like less than two weeks earlier and it was like, “Okay, cool.” You know, then Father’s Day rolls around and our phones go off Sunday morning. Like what in the world? Like we knew the Magic were going to push the chips in at some point. Did that surprise you that this was the move that they made to do that? Yeah, definitely. I mean, the the timing was uh surprising just cuz the finals weren’t even over yet, too, right? It was still like Yeah, that was so that was before Hallebertton got hurt. Um, it I was I’m also on the West Coast dur, you know, I was on the West Coast at that point. So, I woke up to it. It was like 8:00 a.m. or whatever. And I was at first I was just so confused cuz it’s like, you know, for uh the past few months, even the past couple years, there’s like these names that get floated around a lot in trade rumors. And I think like Kobe White and there were a few people in the in the radar. Uh, and Desmond Bane was not one of them at all. So, my first reaction was just like, huh? Like, I had to really stop and think about it for a bit and it, you know, and it seemed like a lot of picks were giving up, but like, um, but I just I love the fit. I honestly didn’t realize how good of a shooter Desmond Bane was. Like statistically, like I knew he was pretty good, but then seeing the numbers and it’s just like even considering how everyone who comes to Orlando forgets how to shoot, it’s still like he might be the one guy who’s who’s Orlando Magic curse proof where he’s just so good uh as a shooter that that he won’t just uh mysteriously lose 10% uh on his shooting percentage or whatever. But um uh yeah, the more the more time went on and the more like podcasts I listened to and the more I really thought about it and then you you know, you look at the contracts we got rid of and the the you know, the players we got rid of and it’s like as much as we love Cole, you know, that was a lot of money you’re paying for a guy who you’re not even sure if he’s in the rotation come playoff time and then KCP was, you know, such a disappointment. um that it’s like you swap those two guys for for this guy and then the the starting lineup makes sense. I think also my initial initial reaction too was like I just felt like what the roster really needed was a point guard cuz I still feel like Jaylen is a little bit better as a two than as a as the main initiator. Um but then again, it’s like if Fron and Pow are going to handle the ball most of the time, maybe that’s not the most important thing and it is just spacing. So, I don’t know. It’s uh we’ll see how it goes, but I’m I’m very very much in on it. And I think it took me like 20 minutes to be to go from being a little skeptical to like brilliant, we did it. It was it was pretty it was pretty fast uh that I came around on it. So, to totally valid emotions. I think we all kind of went through the same thing. Like, at first it’s the sticker shock of like, oh my gosh, this is four first round picks, but then you’re like, man, f them picks. We’re about to potentially win a title here, you know? So, yeah. 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I wanted to ask you because you’ve kind of been, you know, exposed to a move like this with the Dolphins a few years ago where it’s like you have this young talented roster, then they make the move for Tyreek Hill and, you know, hindsight is 2020. You know, it’s worked out, but it also, you know, kind of maybe hasn’t. I’d love to get your opinion on that, but how would you compare your levels of optimism? like Dolphins after the Tyreek Hill trade and now like the Magic resigning Paliban Carro trading for Desmond Bane like how do you compare those two? That is a good comparison. I think um as a Dolphins fan like we’ve won a lot of off seasons and it doesn’t always translate. So I I was a little bit more like I was very optimistic. I think that was also when we uh I can’t remember the the left Toron Armstead we also signed him. That was a big signing that when we got Tyreek and it just felt like we’re making these big moves and you know we’re right around the corner and then it was like hot start fizzle out a couple years in a row and that’s just been dis a disappointment. But I think with with the Bane trade it felt a little bit more calculated. Uh it it didn’t feel like well this is just what the magic do. They’re always making these big desperation trades or whatever where maybe that with the dolphins a it’s a little bit more like just keep throwing money at the problem and hope you fix it. But this was like the front office. It was almost uncharacteristic with the way they’ve been where they’ve it’s like they’ve been so patient much to the frustration of a lot of fans where it’s like just come on do something. You know what we need, make the move. Like you know which guys aren’t working out on the roster. You know what problem needs to be addressed and then they finally do it and it’s like this is why you be why you’re patient because you know if you feel like this is the perfect move, this is the perfect use of those assets. Um, you know, there’s an opportunity cost also with trades where it’s like if we gave some of those first round picks for Kobe White or whoever or a lesser player just because we knew last year, well, maybe we just really need shooting. And it’s like, maybe that helps us win a game or two extra against Boston. But it’s like, but then we’re a worse team now and we have fewer assets to work with. It’s like, it all makes sense now. It’s like, okay, the team, you know, Jeff Welman talked about it. we’re going to make a big move and he backed it up. And I feel like because it just feels like such a great fit and because it’s not something that the Magic do very often, it felt like they were waiting for the exact right move. I’m a little bit more optimistic than I was uh with a lot of the Dolphins moves where I’m just sort of like, well, this is what they do, you know? Yeah. And I think one of the things that maybe not all Magic fans are seeing, but certainly not the national media is seeing or remembering like, yeah, the Magic are in the news this summer because the acquisitions, you know, Desmond Bane, Taius Jones, rebrand, all that kind of stuff. Uh, but I think what’s being lost often times is the hopeful na like natural progression of the players we currently have. You know, Paulo, Fron, Jaylen, etc. Guys who unfortunately last season kind of, you know, that got put on hold for a little bit, right? because they were out for such a significant amount of time. But like you mentioned, two seasons ago, you win 47 games, you push the Cavs to seven uh in the first round, and like you said, you’re expecting that natural progression last year. It doesn’t happen with injuries. I I’d like to think that that progression continues this year, which is part of the contributing factor to why I think a lot of people are so excited. But I wanted to ask you specifically about a progression. Obviously, we we wear very magic colored glasses on this show, as do you, right? Mhm. Like when we think about Paulo and you know you’ve been a Magic fan for a long time. You you’ve seen some of the best you know I think we’re pretty close in age. You’ve seen some of the best players in Magic history with your own eyes and now we have this Paulo guy who’s still I think 22 23 whatever he is. Yeah. Where’s your ceiling for him like right now? Where do you think he can end up based on what we’ve seen so far through through three years? I think considering how how incredible he was in the playoffs against one of the best teams in the league with no spacing around him, the way he gets defended is there are very few players who get defended the way he does because a lot of players as good as him have better shooters at the very least around them. So you don’t you can’t just like pack you can’t have four guys in the paint just like making sure Paulo can’t do anything. the fact that he still can rise to the moment and just hit these tough shots and um I think he shot really well from three in the playoffs, too. It’s like there’s the the I guess the the the limit is how good of a shooter he can be because he just seems so athletically gifted. Um I mean, he is so athletically gifted and it’s like it’s almost frustrating sometimes when it’s like you’re you’re so much bigger and stronger and better than everyone on the court. just get to the rim and you know and then he does and it’s just looks so easy when he does it and um but you know he’s he’s he’s just working on so many aspects of his game that it’s like I and you can tell he just he works hard. He loves basketball. I I really think he could be like one of the five best players in the NBA. Um, especially with like the way the league is right now and a lot of the the main big stars that we grew up watching or watched the past 10-15 years, a lot of them are kind of on their way out now and there is sort of this new wave of young stars and I think he can absolutely be one of the the five best. Um, and I think if he I think if he was on a bigger market team, he would be talked about so differently. I mean, I think that’s kind of the sign of like how good of a player he is where it’s like if he was on, you know, even on even Chicago, a team that’s not like the, you know, the Lakers, but even just like a a he’d be like one of the FA they talk about him non-stop, but because he’s on Orlando, it’s like, well, he’s a he’s a shot chucker. He’s inefficient, you know, let’s ignore the situation he’s in because we don’t watch the games. We don’t watch the Magic. Um, but they’ll see. They’ll see. I think uh I think when once we start to win more playoff series and and go further and have the success that I think we’re capable of having and that he’s capable of having, I think everyone will kind of realize that he he has a lot of potential to be one of the best in the league. I think for me at least that is one of the more frustrating things just because we get to watch him on a nightly basis and we see how good he is and when you can watch the games and you have all the context and then you see the numbers for what they are and given the the situation and we all realize just how good he is but then you see the league like every five minutes like shoving like Victor Wmanyama in your face for obvious reasons of course but it just doesn’t really ever make sense. says like, “Why don’t you push this guy who is so clearly like one of the next like upand cominging young guys?” And Drew, a few minutes ago, you talked about some of the concerns with the roster, like maybe Jaylen Suggs is a point guard, maybe he’s not, maybe he’s a shooting guard. And as hopeful and, you know, lofty as some of our, you know, expectations might be, like maybe they can make a finals run. Like that’s probably pretty unlikely. Um, but like for them to take that next step, whether that’s win a playoff series or win two playoff series in your mind, what are some of the biggest questions that you still have or like concerns that you have about this team? Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, a lot of it goes back to Fron’s learning how to shoot again. We talked about it last year and we were pretty optimistic. Was he I mean, he was so bad two years ago shooting. Was he even worse from three this year or was he better? Just a little better. Little better. Okay. Hey, 1% per year, you know, eventually he’ll be league average uh in like year seven. Um it that’s just something that continues to baffle me. I don’t understand it. I know I you know, he said some I guess last year with the oblique, I was going to say he’s had some injury problems, but he hasn’t really outside of last year. um you know, he’s been playing year round. So, it’s like maybe he’s just doesn’t have enough time to work on it in the off season, but it’s just so confounding and frustrating cuz he was so good, you know, or at least above average as a shooter, you know, when he started his career and now it’s just like it’s got to be a confidence thing, but then even then it’s like now you have two full years of like this of a body of work that shows that he can’t he’s just not. So, if it is a confidence thing, even if it’s like a mental thing and not a physical thing, well, it’s like, well, it’s going to going to continue to be in his head until he fixes it. So, that’s probably my biggest concern because he does have, you know, so much potential as well. uh in addition to Paulo like cuz the way he was scoring too in the playoffs the way the he’s so nimble and creative and it’s he’s so fun to watch and the the fact that he’s doing all that while shooting so inconsistently to the point where he’s not even getting you know any respect from the defense uh behind the three-point line it’s like if he just had that if Paul was consider those guys it it would be so much easier for them um so that’s probably the biggest one because he’s our second you know best player but uh I think health is the big one I think you Jaylen, it’s like I love Jaylen. Um I love the way he plays, but you know, you can’t necessarily point to his injuries as like freak accidents because the way he plays is kind of reckless and it’s that’s he’s put you know, you can tell he’s putting a lot of wear and tear on his body. So, if he can maybe save a little bit of that for the playoffs and and you know, not go it’s just probably not in his nature to go less than 110%. But, um you know, that’s a big one. You hope that we have him down the stretch. he would have made a huge difference in the playoffs last year. Um, and then it’s it’s, you know, it’s Anthony Black who I was I think that’s another great thing about the Bane trade is that we gave up the two assets we gave up are guys that we didn’t really envision in our future anyway. But I have a lot of high hopes for for AB especially after the playoffs cuz I mean at least in the home games I went to game three and games three and four and there was one stretch in one of them where he just like he like had two steals in a row. I think he had like six points in a row or something. is just like I feel like he and for someone so young and still kind of unders sized, it’s like for him to have that dog in him in that moment, it’s like that’s a that’s a good sign. That’s someone where it’s like, okay, as we continue to mature as a team, I think he can be, you know, play an important role in the playoffs and be a crucial part of the the lineup, uh, you know, when the games get get more important. So, I think those are probably my biggest ones. And then you just hope that, you know, you hope that Bane can continues to shoot and that Taius Jones can carve out a role and Ji can stay healthy and and be better this year cuz he, you know, was healthier last year, but at the cost of like kind of being terrible at basketball. Uh so it’s, you know, it’s a lot of like I hope everyone is good and healthy, which is uh easy a simple answer, but it’s just that’s kind of what it comes down to. you know, the the guys we added to the team need to shoot and our guys need to shoot well and they all need to not get hurt. Everyone needs to play 82 games. It Yeah, it sounds simple, but then obviously we have a season like last year and you’re like, well, sounds impossible at the same time. Um, so obviously you’ve talked about your optimism, you’re super excited for the season. A couple seasons ago, uh, if I remember right, you and Amanda went to a road game at MSG against the Knicks. Am I remembering this correctly? And it was miserable, right? Yeah, it was. It was like March of It was near the end of not last season, but the season before. And it was our lowest scoring game of the year. I think we had I think we had like 78 points or something. It was It was abysmal. Um and I and I spent a pretty good um chunk of change on those tickets, too. And I brought my friend uh who lives in New York, and I was like, he’s not a big basketball guy, but I was really talking to the team, and then we just laid an egg. But it was also crazy because it’s like, you know, this is just the difference between the Knicks and the Magic. Uh, but it’s like you go to a Magic game and no matter what game you go to, there are fans of the opposing team there. The amount varies depending on what team it is, but there’s always like someone wearing a but I’m pretty sure in that entire building I was the we were the only three Magic fans. It was crazy. Um, cool cool place though. I like the organ player. That’s right. Yeah, you’ve seen him on TikTok and stuff. He’s he’s cool. Um, but yeah, so I remember, you know, we had you on the show last summer and you mentioned that that whole game and that disaster and all that kind of stuff. You were like kind of I kind of enjoyed at least, you know, the Magic Road game experience. So, I’m wondering with your optimism for this season, you think you’re going to do another one? Like, do you have any road games you’ve got circled in your mind like, you know what, I want to go see the Magic in this in this city this season? I’m curious. Um, I’ve been meaning to do this for a couple years, but the the scheduling hasn’t worked out. I I I’m curious to see when they play the two LA games because those are usually like backtoback, so it’d be nice to go to both. I’ I’d really like to see the Clippers new arena. It looks really cool. Um, uh, looks like it’ll be fun to see in person. Um, probably won’t do MSG again, but uh, yeah. I don’t know. I guess it depends on like the matchup. I don’t know if there’s like one because this you really have a chance to see any team any away team you want to see in Orlando. Um because they’re gonna come to town at some point, but um I could see myself going up to like Atlanta or uh Charlotte, you know, maybe just somewhere where the tickets would be kind of cheap, so it would make up for the the cost of traveling. But um yeah, I don’t know. It’d be uh it’d be fun to go to more arenas and just kind of see what the vibe is like. I’ve been trying to convince Jonathan to go to the Clippers new arena with me for the to see the Magic. And hey, maybe this is the year. We’ll have to see. But it looks Kev wants to do a whole West Coast thing. He wants to go see the Intu Dome. Wants to go to Salt Lake. Like he he wants to blow like our entire year budget on like a West Coast, you know, kind of road trip. Kevin and I in October and it’s all gone for Exactly. We have done the like Atlanta like Charlotte thing and those are pretty cool trips. If you’re looking for some good fish tacos, I’ve got a place no masina. To me, they were the best fish tacos I ever had. Kev was like they’re they’re pretty average. They probably were, but you know, I was I was looking at Kev the whole time. So, that like enhances the culinary, you know, experience and and what I what I remember from that. But talking about, you know, like Yeah. I, you know, I try sometimes I’m pretty mean to him, so I try to, you know, hype him up a little bit, you know, from from time to time here. But talking about like MSG and like Knicks fans, you’ve been you you mentioned at Magic Games when whoever the OA team is, like there’s a decent number of those fans. And I I wouldn’t say it’s a point of contention on the show this offseason, but it’s a it’s a conversation piece that’s come up like a few times of like, hey, like, do we want to try to avoid these teams coming into the building for the playoffs? you were at games three and four. At times it was a little bit rough this year with those those Celtics fans in the building. The the new kind of attitude that I’ve adopted the last couple of months, especially since the Desmond Bane trade is like the Magic should be good enough to beat any team in the league any night. Like we should go into most games believing that not only do we have a chance to win, but that we should win. So I’m kind of like give me all the smoke. I don’t I don’t care who it is. I don’t care whose, you know, uh, opponent fans are in our building. Like, I I I don’t want to be afraid of anybody. I don’t want to avoid anybody anymore. Where are you? Like, have you gotten to Jonathan level of delusion just yet, or are you closer to to Kevin levels? Like, how do you feel about that? Yeah, I think um, you know, I think it’s like as we continue to have more success, too. I I would hope that it’s, you know, goes from being maybe 6040 Magic fans at at like a Celtic exam to more like 7030. And it’s just more like as the optimism creeps up cuz also the tickets are so expensive and it’s like I for a team that’s still up and coming um and hasn’t really proven it yet in the playoffs I could understand even really big Magic fans being like well I I don’t know if I can justify spending $600 on a game that we’ll probably lose because of the state of the with our injuries and just you know we were the underdogs at that point. So, I like to think that like, you know, I agree. I think we can win on any night. And I think as we start to do that, I think that also feeds into like a higher percentage of Magic fans being there. And then you also hope that when it comes to playoff times, maybe we can play like uh any other honestly any team besides the Knicks or Boston, I feel like we it’s going to be mostly Magic fans. I mean, the the Cavs series was great because when we were home, it was like that that place was loud. I mean, you know, the Cavs have a decent fan base, but they’re not the Celtics. You know, there there’s we’re not Orlando isn’t flooded with Celtics fans. Um, you know, it’s like so many people move from that part of the country and live in Orlando. So, even if we did the thing that like Detroit did where I think that didn’t they like say you couldn’t buy tickets if you didn’t live in Michigan or something like that to try to keep Knicks fans from flooding the building? It’s like even if we did that and limit it to limited it to Florida fans, it’s like those Celtics fans live in Orlando for the most part. I don’t think they were traveling down maybe some of them but um but yeah I think I think as we get better as a team I think people will be you know you just got to go to one of these games I mean the play I think the probably the best atmosphere of any game this year was the playing game where you know when we went on that crazy run I mean that place was just going wild and there certainly weren’t a lot of Hawks fans there so that was a little bit more indicative of like what the atmosphere could be when it’s mostly Magic fans and I think if if more fans experienced that they’d be I’m I’m going to these games. I don’t care. Like, I’m going to be there. It’s going to be awesome. And uh yeah, hopefully hopefully that continues to be the case. All right. I’ve got the ultimate test of your delusional optimism. I don’t know like what scale of your optimism if it’s delusional or not here. Okay. It’s July 27th as we’re recording this. So, the season is right around the corner. Um I’d love to hear a prediction. Drew Gooden, like give me like you got a record in mind or you got like a playoff run in mind. Like how far can this team go? Like let’s hear it right now. How delusional are you? Um let me open up. I want to look at the entire Eastern Conference before I before I do this because I’ve done this in my head a couple times and it’s like if you think what are the what are the teams above us this year? It’s maybe the Knicks, maybe um uh Cavs maybe again. Yeah, definitely the Cavs. Cavs could probably be the will probably be the one seed. Um it’s like is Milwaukee that much better? I I don’t think so. You know, the Pacers, I can’t imagine, you know, without Hallebertton in the whole year and the Celtics, too, like they’ll both take a step back. Um it’s like I’m not I guess the Hawks, you know, they made some good moves. It’s I think we’re in a similar boat with them where it’s kind of wait and see how these moves pan out. Um, and maybe, you know, Atlanta and Orlando are kind of like uh neck andneck for the three seed. Um, that’s probably my like lukewarm uh prediction is like three or four seed, but I, you know, if I’m a little bit more optimistic, I could see us winning the East. I don’t think it’s that strong and that stacked uh with the two teams, you know, the Knicks and the the Cavs above us. all it takes is, you know, one weird injury and us being on the the positive side of that luck. Uh, you know, so it’s it’s definitely possible. And I think even if we’re I think if we’re as long as we’re like one of the top three seeds, if we’re healthy for the playoffs, I think we can beat any of these teams. I think, you know, I’m not I don’t think we could win the finals this year. Um, I’m I could anything could happen. Um, I think the path to the finals is possible. Um, but like if we went up against this version of the Thunder team, I don’t know if I don’t know if we win in seven. I don’t know if you know, whoever is making it out of the West, but but I think we could make it to the finals. I think we can make it maybe a safer prediction, the Eastern Conference Finals. I think we could definitely win a playoff series. Um, maybe two get on a roll. Uh, it’s but it comes down to chemistry. comes down to how how well Dane uh Desmond Bane fits and um you know the guys staying healthy and Fran’s remembering how to shoot and um but you know I think Powell is just going to keep getting better and that’s really I think we go as far you know our ceiling is as high as as his is as a player you know if he just continues to leap into super stardom and then it’s like we just need everyone else to be pretty good because he’s gonna you know he’s going to take over in the playoffs and you know um so yeah I would a top three without barring like any crazy injuries for most of the year. I think top three is almost guaranteed. I don’t I don’t like I don’t want to use that word, but I I feel very that’s about as optimistic as I get. Like around 50 wins, top three seed. We’ll see. Um yeah, with Atlanta it’s interesting because like you know they did make a a lot of moves but they made a lot of moves like you know like adding you know Porzingis and I’m forgetting the um oh like Nikil Alexander Walker and like some of the other stuff and they’re getting Jaylen Johnson back and hopefully he’ll be healthy. But like they have a lot to kind of like figure out and get everybody acclimated and decide really how they’re going to play and whose role is what. with the Magic like it’s I don’t want to say it’s a seamless fit because it’s a it’s a big move adding Bane into the mix and you know Taius Jones into the second unit and there’s some other stuff to figure out but you know at this point I kind of do have just like a half step above Atlanta at least to start the season cuz it feels like we have more continuity and have more of like a real identity and everybody kind of knows what they’re going to be asked to do and then when you look at Cleveland like what did they win it was like 63 64 games 64 yeah yeah so 64 games And sometimes you’ll get those teams that like come out of nowhere and they’re like, “Oh, well, we’re we have the one seed. Like, we’re just going to go all out to try to win as many games as we can, secure the one seed, you know, now they fizzle out in the second round.” And it’s well, okay, we kind of this year we want to pace ourselves a bit more cuz we want to have like a deeper, you know, postseason run. So, sometimes you’ll see those teams kind of come back down here down to earth. So, I’m I’m right there with you. like Atlanta, um the Knicks, the Cavs, US, all going to be, you know, so like I I think it’s going to be relatively close at the top. And I I don’t think it’s crazy to think that the Magic can can win the East. So, um Drew, we appreciate the time. Um before we let you go, I do have one question. I know, you know, we have you on here and we we get to separate like you from what you normally do from this, but something that I’ve just kind of always, you know, wondered as as a as a fan of of you and your work, like what is your most favorite video that you’ve either, you know, like the completed process was the thing that you’re the most satisfied with or was like the most fulfilling while you were working on it? Like what has been your most favorite project out of everything that you’ve done? That’s a good question. And I think um I think it changes every so often. I would say um I was really proud of the the AI one I made last summer cuz that seemed seemed like that resonated with a lot of people. It seemed like it was, you know, everyone’s talking about AI now, but it did seem like I was, you know, a little bit more at the forefront of that of being like, “We agree this kind of sucks, right guys?” And everyone like, “Yes, finally.” And then um I think I think the for like a a full project, I think the the one I made about Ninja I’m still really proud of. That was fun, you know, just doing the um I watched that one again recently. Yeah. And then I had blue hair for four months and I um you know, I a lot of people were like, “You got to hand it to him.” You know, he committed. Um and I think, yeah, going to the lengths I did for that, like, you know, I would love to do something like that again if I just had the right idea because it it is fun to just like go all out for something and have people kind of be like, you know, enjoying a video and then also be like just kind of shocked that, you know, you did the thing that you did. So, um pro that might be number one still. Uh but, uh oh, speaking of Ninja, I actually have his uh cotton candy G-Fuel. Um it expired, but uh friend gave this to me and it’s one of my um dearest possessions now. So, there you go. I will never drink it. Well, speaking of videos, I was going to say I that protein worked. I can see, you know, you got a little little swole from the the protein. Yeah. Yeah. It turns out you just got to eat a bunch of protein. You don’t even have to go to the gym, man. It’s crazy. That’s awesome. I go to the gym sometimes, but you know, it’s it’s always it’s always uh it’s all, you know, it’s if I had the consistency, it’d be great. It’s like I think we can all relate to like getting really amped up and like I’m going to I’m going to turn everything around and then maybe you could make it two weeks and then you’re like I miss fast food, man. It’s always a battle, but you know. Well, I know a lot of our listeners like get really excited for this episode that we get to do with you each year because they are, you know, big fans of what you do. But if you’re not, I’m going to plug Drew here. You really should be because not only is he like incredibly funny, like hilarious. Like I I I’ve used this before, but I like GFA. Like full like laugh out loud sitting here watching your videos, you know, uh here in my office. But um not only are you hilarious, but you do such a good job of like getting to the point and why like the thing that you’re making fun of um like why you’re why you’re doing it and and why it’s important. So always appreciate that. But give yourself a quick little plug if you want, you know, people to to be able to find you on social media, find your work, all that kind of stuff. Uh yeah, I appreciate that. That’s very nice of you to say. Um yeah, if you want to watch some videos about um a whole uh slew of topics, it’s just kind of whatever I’m passionate about at the time. Um, Drew Gooden on YouTube. Um, if you haven’t seen any of them, maybe start with the ninja one. I think that’s a pretty fun video. Um, I guess I kind of spoiled the ending, but maybe maybe you weren’t listening then and then now and then you can go watch it and then it wasn’t spoiled, so I don’t know. Um, yeah. Uh, thanks guys. Awesome. Well, Drew, again, man, appreciate talking to you always. Look forward to seeing you at some Magic games this year and and Magic wins and maybe even someday a parade. Who knows? Have you let yourself like daydream about that at all? Like the magic actually winning a title? We got to win a playoff series first. Fair and then I’ll start daydreaming about that. Um yeah, I uh I think I’m daydreaming about like there you that Celtics game I went to three and four and we won three and there were a lot of like really cocky Celtics fans on the way. I was like we’re still winning in five and we were like no. And then they you know they did win in five. So, even just like getting to getting to snap back at some fans of some of the other teams that I don’t like. Maybe that’s what I daydream about more is just being like, actually, it’s our turn now, Boston. That’s right. Well, but yeah, Drew, you’re the best. We really appreciate everything and yeah, looking forward to this season just like everybody else and uh yeah, let’s at least win a playoff series. That’d be great. So, thanks. Absolutely. Thank you. Once again, our boy Drew Gooden. always appreciate getting his insight, hearing him um you talk about his perspective and also just kind of fun getting to kind of get a peak behind the curtain at what he does and again as awesome and and great and as all the success in the world that he has and you know his profession like him just being one of the guys is is like one of my like most favorite things and was awesome seeing him at the unveiling. um getting able to like sit next to him and him seeing everything as we’re seeing things for the first time and he like legitimately just is like a diehard Magic fan and so much fun having him on the show and always appreciate him taking the time. Well, that’s that’s what I was going to say. You know, we try our best on this show to promote, you know, brands and companies that love the magic, right? You know, and Drew Good’s no exception. You know, he’s got his own brand, you know, his his YouTube channel. And so if you want to go support a guy who’s a diehard Magic fan and obviously as you can tell watching the show, a true diehard Magic Maniac, if you want to go support him, go check him out on YouTube and social media cuz that’s his livelihood, you know. So if you’ve never watched him, by the way, you won’t regret it. Very funny, very entertaining, and uh yeah, die hard magic fan. What you love to see. Love Drew Gooden. Really appreciate him taking the time. Uh that’s pretty much all that we have for this one. Um, don’t forget if you have any interest in, you know, hosting the six fan show, the link will be in the YouTube description or in the podcast description for the Google form that we’ll need you to fill out uh if you want to be considered for that role. Uh, and then get your questions in for the Anything But Magic Pod that’s coming out on uh Thursday. Be recording that Wednesday night. So, try to get that in, you know, like mid Wednesday afternoon at latest to make sure that we can see that. But uh Kev, anything that I’m missing before we go ahead and officially close this one? Well, actually something just happened as you were finishing that sentence. Really, really fast. Really, really fast. So, you know this thing on X or Twitter where people are asking Grock like who visited your profile, you know? Sure. I just did it while we were doing this outro just to see what happens. You know who they told me is the per the most famous person to visit my ex profile, Drew Gooden. Shaquille O’Neal. your ex profile. Mine. Not even the show. My personal one. Holy smokes. Yeah. Now I’m curious if we should just do it from the pod to see. I think we should. Who has And I have to do it from my personal now. That’s crazy. Yeah. I am blown away. Like wow. That’s wild. You know, we’re we’re going to do No, wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Now we’re going to do this. We’ll do it live. We’re going to do this from the pod right now. What if it’s something bad? We have to cut this out. We’ll see. This is a live show that we’re doing here. I’m trying to That’s so funny. Okay, there we go. So, let me just backtrack just in case people aren’t on social. It’ll take a minute or so for it to do this. So, on Twitter or X, there’s a a thing going on. So, Twitter X has their own AI bot called Grock. And so, apparently there’s this new thing people have unlocked. You can ask Grock like what is the most famous person or like the most followed account that has viewed your profile in its history? and we’ve seen all kinds of crazy stuff. And like I said, apparently Shacks looked at my profile at some time, which is just wild. Uh, so what Jonathan is doing, he just asked Grock, um, you know, what famous person or persons has viewed um, our six-man show official profile there on Twitter. And so, like I said, it’s going to take, you know, maybe a minute or so, and it’s going to be very interesting to see if Shaq visited mine, who visited the six-man show. So, we’ll see. Do you have any guesses? I have I would guess it’s probably going to be Shaq. Well, I wonder probably, but like I don’t know like who could be more famous than Shaq that would visit our profile. Well, you remember Kevin Durant used one of our videos and so I wonder if that counted as a view like if if he came to our profile. I don’t I know he got it from a different source but it our our video like from our account was linked in the tweet. So I’m wondering if it’s my prediction might be Kevin Durant. That’s going to be Mario. If if you’re at this point in the episode, if you don’t care about this conversation, you can just close it right now cuz this is going to be the last few minutes of the pod here as we’re still waiting for this. Um, but I’m I’m curious as to like what Grock considers like the most famous cuz we’re not saying the person with the most followers or like you know, I I’m just curious. I haven’t really looked into it too much in terms of how it decides who is the most famous. You got the answer. Hold on. Let me look. Let me look. Kenny Beichum. Our guy. Love that. Kenny Bechum. So Shaq maybe maybe has not like seen the the profile apparently. I guess um Kenny Beichum the GOAT. Enjoy basketball. Numbers on the board. ESPN’s very own friend of the show. Been on the pod before. Um yeah, Kenny Beichum, our guy. Now I’m curious. I’m going to do this on my own personal um profile as well to see who it is. But yeah, Kevin, what a pull. That’s a big pull. That’s a really big pull. Selfless selfless shameless plug, by the way. Just go follow us. If you don’t follow us on social media, not just not just the the Sixman show, but follow our personals, too, on Twitter there at least, cuz if it’s good enough for Shaq, it’s good enough. Just kidding. You know, it’s funny and ironic cuz Shaq’s kind of in the doghouse with a lot of us Magic fans right now. So, it’s kind of ironic that uh he probably knows that you you’ve been talking smack. Maybe. Yeah, maybe he watches the show and like wanted to stalk me and chase me down. But uh yeah, you can follow me, Kevin_tucker_, and follow Jonathan. I think it’s J Osborne 21. Did I get that right? That is correct. That’s Oh, what a great friend I am. All right. And our boy, our boy Kenny Bechum, for those of you who may or may not know Kenny Beichum, like millions of YouTube subscribers, like across all of his platforms, um you know, half a million followers on Twitter, tons of followers on Instagram, you know, you basically like one of the flagship personalities of the Numbers on the Board podcast, has been on ESPN First Take, um owns and runs Enjoy Basketball. Numbers on the Board is a ESPN podcast and you know show that has been on ESPN and ESPN 2. So if you’re not familiar with our boy Kenny Bechum, uh please go ahead and and be sure to check that out. But that fun little way to end the episode. But that’s officially going to do it for this one. Once again, thank you to our friend Drew Gooden and for Kevin Tucker. This has been Jonathan Osborne. You all have been listening to the Sixman Show and we will catch you guys next time. See you. Thanks for listening to The Sixth Man Show. 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