REPORT: The Chris Boucher era with the Toronto Raptors is OVER as he signs with Celtics & we’re sad!
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And here to talk about it is Katie Hond. We have some mailbag questions coming up later on, but the crux of today’s show will be remembering Chris Buchet, the last remaining member of the 2019 NBA champion Toronto Raptors. Katie, how the hell are you? How are you processing all of this information? Bouche out and going to the damn Celtics of all teams. I’m all right. It’s one, it is nice to have you back to chat. Thank you. Yeah, it’s great having you back on the show. first time we’ve we’ve been back together in podcast land. So, that’s good. Uh, two, it is sad, especially when you put it like that. I mean, I know, you know, intellectually he was the last part of that roster, but it feels very different to say, okay, that this like iteration we always kind of use as a touchstone, right, and a benchmark is now gone. Yeah, it’s um you know I think Bush has been the last remaining member for like a year and a half now since Pascal Seakum got traded. It’s uh you know this isn’t new that that the sort of era has been washing away to the sands of time for you know a little while now but yeah to lose that last connecting piece to 2019 very much into a new frontier and uh you hope that this coming year there are greener pastures ahead for the Raptors. I think the last few years obviously have very much not been that. It’s been quite a bit of drought and uh despair in all of that. But I I will say I think kind of getting into my sort of big overall takeaway on Chris Buché’s time in Toronto. Uh and we’ll get into some favorite moments of his and things like that as we go throughout the show. But I do think the sort of pull away for me when I think about Chris Bucher, what is his like defining sort of lasting impact with the Raptors, it’s that during a pretty period for the franchise where things did not go right a lot of the time and very often the vibes were pretty rancid, he was maybe more than anybody else a dude who provided random little pops of joy on January nights in the middle of the regular season. And I will forever cherish those little pops of Chris Buchet going absolutely nuclear on some team’s bench and coming in and scoring 24 points on eight shots or whatever it was. He did it a lot this past season as well uh before they shut him down because he was helping them win their minutes too much when he was on the floor. But that I think to me is Chris Buchet. Look, he was never someone who was, you know, providing like huge tangible impact on winning. He was never someone who had big playoff moments or anything like that, but there is something to be said for the dude who makes the regular season more fun. Uh, make the regular season matter more. I say Chris Buchche was a dude, you know, going back to like Tampa where he had like a 38 and 17 game, I believe, in a loss to the Bulls. I don’t remember they lost to the Bulls. I just remember Chris Buchchet had 38 and 17 in a game. Uh, do you feel similarly about Chris B Chris Buchchet? Do you have any other sort of lasting um feelings on his time and impact with the Raptors? Just all those frenetic pops, you know, and the the the games again, it would be these kind of like middle of the season, middle of the week games, not particularly must-win, but they always felt like he he would like come out for some reason and just inject them with a real Chris Bush sensibility, which was some wessiness, erraticness. the energy would kind of go off the charts, you know, and he would just decide like this is the game I’m going to go off in. Um, his d his crazy like acrobatic dunks. I know we say like someone like John Morant, you know, you think of him when you think of who’s maybe the most agile and aerodynamic and kind of approaches uh dunking a little bit like a gymnast. But Chris Pchet did that too a lot of the time when he was when he really got going, you know, like you kind of didn’t understand how he was able to contort his body like that through the air and, you know, land in the way that he did. And I think a lot of those moments where you’re just like jaw-dropping a little bit like did did he really do that on a Tuesday night in February? Yeah. pre-allar, the hornet or whatever. Yeah, I like um there was just a lot of heart and effort and I think that’s that is what kept him around for such a long time. Um and then it it does feel like a bummer when it’s, you know, that’s not enough. I know we’re going to talk more about it. I I know we we both collectively can’t speak well of Boston, but I do think it’s a good it is a good move for Chris Buché. Yeah, I think that is a completely fair thing to say as much as it pains me to say it. But on that note, Katie, I I have to uh now that we’ve reunited, it’s been a little while. It’s, you know, yes, it’s been a hot summer, you know, temperature- wise, but it hasn’t really been a hot summer take-wise for me because I’ve been sitting here on the sidelines. I have to ask you, does Chris Bucher signing with the Boston Celtics taint his legacy with the Toronto Raptors? Hot take Hindle, take it away. Are you waiting to cue the flames? No. There we go. Um, no. Sorry. I can’t I can’t conjure I can’t conjure a take for this. I can’t. Um, it doesn’t taint his legacy. I think I think sad. I’m taking the flames off. You That’s fair. That’s fair. Um I don’t know. I think the saddest thing to me is that for a lot of people, Chris Bush’s legacy is going to be a non-starter conversation. He’s not necessarily going to fit into the broader the broader discussions of legacy because in some ways, to me at least, it does feel like he never really got his proper due, you know, or proper start. This was a guy who kind of rode the bench for a lot of seasons and was like very foundational and I think necessary on the bench, especially when you’ve got so many young players, really green players cycling in out of there um over the last few seasons. So, I think how formative he probably was to impart some of that identity that we’re talking about, this like championship blueprint that may or may not be gone now. You know, like you and I haven’t talked about this yet. I don’t know if you’ve covered it in like catching up, but like with Messiah being gone too, this is like a bigger gap in in identity and legacy and all that kind of stuff. So, I think for Buché to go now, it feels quite fitting because I think he’s still got like quite a few years ahead of him in his career and he could he could do really well in in Boston and that he’s kind of the like they’re such um they’re such a mechanical team, right? like you kind of know what you’re getting with them. It’s very w it’s very systematic and what Bouche can offer is like a bit of a blip and an anomaly in that system where they may need it most. So if they kind of deploy him the right way and let him actually work in the way that he wants to and plays best, I think that’s going to be really great for them. He’ll be such an asset. Um I wonder Katie because he’s like one of their only players taller than 6’5 on the team. So that’s a great point. That’s a great point. Um, I wonder if his legacy will be one of these ones where we talk about more in retrospect of like we didn’t really know how good he was or this kind of sad thing we do of like patting ourselves on the back of like, you know, he had to go somewhere else to get this good or get this kind of recognized, which is a sad reality. Yeah. I mean, look, I and we’ll get into it. I I think my sort of views on Chris Buchet as like a player who can impact winning basketball I think are pretty clear. Like I that was never the thing that I tuned into Chris Bucher basketball rooting for or hoping for or expecting. I I you know he had his issues, right? He he was uh you know erratic defensively. He would have moments where uh you know just like the three-point shot refused to fall for long stretches. he was not exactly the most connective player passing wise and all of that, but I do think your point stands that, you know, the sort of off-kilter stuff he brings to the table, just like the um the the the the physical marvel that is his body moving the way it does is like something to behold and I think it will look um you know, I think he is going to look a lot you know, different and sort of against the backdrop of the Celtics. I think it’s going to stand out a little more when he was largely playing on a team that tried to build the whole plane out of guys with weird movements and size and length and all that stuff. Um, so yeah, I I think that that point stands for sure. And as much as I wish I could come here and say um you know and fill in the void for from Hot Take Heindle and say it’s disgusting he’s going to the Celtics. He’s a traitor. He should be guarded and feathered and never given an ovation when he returns to Toronto. Uh Amir Johnson went to the Celtics after he left the Raptors and we like Amir Johnson just fine. Uh so it’ll be fine. The Celtics are probably going to lose like 55 games this year. That’s like one of my uh sort of core beliefs is they are going to try to lose as much as possible. And as it turns out, uh you know, as far as fun ways to lose 50ome games, giving Chris Buché a bunch of run pretty high on the list and ways to do that in an entertaining fashion. So congrats to Celtics fans for their incoming poor season. uh just getting that much more entertaining. We’re gonna come back on the other side and we’re going to talk a little about Chris Buché’s best moments. Stuff we’re gonna remember. Flashoints of Chris Bush being Chris Bush the only way that he could be. We’re going to come back and do that coming up in just one sec here on the show. 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Let’s play tennis back and forth with Buché Tails as long as we can go here. But I don’t have any specific moment. I think mine are all I mean maybe you’ll jog my memory because I think when I do think of Bouche and this isn’t a slight against bouche, but they’ve become an amalgamation. This is partially my preandemic brain. I think um 100% true 2020 is identifiable to me in time. It’s just all part of a goo. Yeah. Yeah. My goo my goo brain doesn’t really help celebrate Buché in the way that I want to. Um I can think of of a few moments where he would kind of do these like big theatrical dunks that we’re talking about and the reactions he’d get from the bench because Buché otherwise is like a pretty quiet figure, right? Um, and I think sometimes he also got painted as a little bit of a solitary figure and I don’t necessarily think that was true. Um, but yeah, when he would kind of do those things and they flipped to the bench and you’d see their reactions. Some of those were my favorite things. People just like losing their minds. A lot of like Kyle Lowry losing his mind. 100%. Yeah. Um, there is one game from this year that I think stands out maybe as like his best game as a Raptor or most memorable game as a Raptor. And I’m not going to say it’s that 38 and 17 game against the Bulls because it was during the most depressing time both of the Toronto Raptors history and frankly of my own life. If I recall, March 2021, bad vibes all around if I uh can recall correctly. Either way, um, this year the game against the Kings, Vince Carter night, that is a game that is, you know, obviously like D Rozan versus RJ Barrett. Um, the sort of student of Vince Carter and the student of Demar going at it on Vince Carter night. That was a whole big thing. Uh, Raptors win in overtime, one of the highlight games of the season. Chris Buchche in that game had 24 points on nine of 13 shooting and was outside of RJ Barrett the best player on the floor for the Raptors. And you know, it’s very cool that the other Canadian guy on the team got to have that moment in that game on Vince Carter night. That’s going to stand out to me as like an individual game. I still think for me, and people listen to this show, have listened to the show for, you know, most of the run of the show, will know that one of the dumber things I’ve ever said out loud or on the internet was during a game back in the 201920 season, the title defense year, there a couple weeks into the season, and I believe Serge Ibaka had just gotten hurt. I think it was right in that early part of the season. Um, and it might be Kyle got hurt around this time as well. And they were on the road. They were playing the Lakers at Staples. And in that game, Chris Buché came in in the first quarter and stunk it up. Like, he hadn’t played much that year. I think it might have been his first game of the season or first extended run of the season. And he was really bad in the first quarter. And I tweeted when I was still doing that at the time, uh, I know we all want this to work because he’s Canadian, but I just don’t think Chris Buché is an NBA player. And then in that game, he went on to absolutely explode. And then he and Ronda Hollis Jefferson turned into like the most fun bench duo we’ve ever seen. And that team went on a crazy run largely because the bench was awesome. And you had the moments of Kyle Lowry plus Ronda Day and Chris Buchet and another guy that we don’t need to mention because he’s a bad guy uh going on a nice run. And like that was like the turnaround point. I take credit for it. Frankly, that tweet turned around Chris Buché’s career. So uh yeah, that that that was the the moment that I became a Chris Buché convert for sure. Um that that that that one of the dumber things I’ve ever tweeted that like the not one of the dumber things. because they tweeted dumber things, but like the quickest thing to become dumb was probably that because I think it took a matter of 10 minutes for him to have like three blocks and a couple dunks and then uh you know that tweet just uh aged like really really bad milk right out of the gate. Katie, do you have any more Chris Buchche things that come to mind? Have I jogged your memory at all? I think I think I have another as like Chris Buchchet’s conduit for other people’s moments which is sad of me. Um, but it’s anytime, you know, he did one of these affforementioned wild moves and you would have Jack Armstrong screaming bonjour. Oh yes, we’re gonna miss that time. Oh, I’m not sure Jack’s vocal cords will miss that, but yeah, they would always tear up tear up by the end, you know. Um, yeah, it’s it’s just like the long it’s like you forget the longevity that he had with the team, right? and all these kind of eras he persisted through and still like played this this his specific style of basketball through. And sure, maybe it wasn’t consistent enough, but I would also argue that like behind him, the teams were also not consistent enough. No, not at all. As it turns out, it’s been a rough go here over the last five years or so. Um, yeah. I think the thing too with uh with Buché is like, you know, you rarely get this kind of longevity from a bench guy. Like it’s usually, you know, bench guys kind of cycle in and out. You have a year here, a year there. Uh maybe you get a couple seasons or you get a second contract for a bench guy. But like just the way the league is constructed, you kind of have your starters or three or four guys you’re built around and then everyone else is just kind of a constant churn. for Chris Buchchet to be on the Raptors as long as he was. And I mean, you saw the graphics yesterday from the team social, like first in literally every counting stat off the bench in Raptors history, like that’s that’s a rare thing to get. And I think um you know that’s probably going to be a thing that we get less and less across the NBA going forward is these like longtime beloved bench guys like the days of Nick Collison and now Chris Boucher like seem like they’re kind of numbered with the second apron and just the sort of um you know the very unfortunate structure of team building that uh seems to be the thing that Adam Silver really really wants to be the thing where there’s no joy and just constant uh churn and the seek of in the search of titles. But uh like we might not see someone like this again for the Raptors, I think is kind of the the takeaway here. You either elevate yourself from bench guy to starter and become a mainstay or you go find somewhere else to play. And for Chris Bush to last as long as he did here um through multiple iterations of contracts, two ways, uh non-G guaranteed, a fully guaranteed deal, all that stuff. Pretty cool, pretty rare and something we might not see again. Uh we should also shadow Katie the you know his role on the one good team since the title defense season that he was part of which was the 2122 season where they won 148 games and he was a big part of some of the craziest lineups ever like he was part of the the one time that vision 69 worked Katie it was like Precious Achua Chris Buchet grabbing every offensive rebound Scotty and Pascal and like Gary Trent Jr. wreaking havoc on the league down the stretch of that season. Um, you know, I don’t know if he gets remembered as like the biggest key contributor because that was like the Scotty breakout season and everyone was just like gaga for Scotty, but uh, Buché was a pretty big part of those years. Was Buché the inspiration for Vision 69? I wonder an interesting, you know, he was it’s like what if the front office was like, “What if we had five of these guys playing at once and they were all consistent?” Right. Right. Yeah. Then um it’s I would guess it’s probably more Scotty and Pascal were the inspiration, but uh I’m open to a revisitation of this to determine whether or not maybe it was Chris Buchche all along who was the uh I guess like patient zero of Vision 69 brain. Um it’s it’s a worthwhile thing to go and take a look into. Katie, we’re going to come back. I got a couple more mailbag questions, including one about Chris Bush’s jump shot and other weirdass jump shots in rappers history. Uh we will do that to close things out coming up here in just one moment. Today’s show is brought to you by our friends over at Open Phone. If you’re running a business, you know that every mis call is money left on the table. Think about the last time you had an urgent need. Maybe a plumber for or service provider. 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Open phone. No missed calls, no miss customers. Go check them out. Closing things out here with Katie Hondo. We got a couple more mailbag questions tied to the departure of one Chris Buchet who gave us a beautiful thing to talk about on August the 6th to fill a whole show. Thank you. One last parting gift from our guy Chris Buchet. He could have signed in the middle of middle of the free agency, you know, pandemonium at the start of July, but no, he hung on till August cuz he is a real one. This one comes in from Nico asking, “In memory of Mr. Buché again, he’s not dead, but uh we’ve really framed it as though he is.” Uh, who’s had some of the funkiest jump shots in rap’s history? The Trebuche, the Trebuche, is that how you pronounce it? Has got to be high on that list. I love this question. I love weirdass jump shots. Does anyone come to mind here, Katie, for you? If you don’t have one, I can start. I wish we used that nickname more. Yeah. Yeah. It didn’t get used enough on broadcast, I’d say. Damn, that’s how you get it into the lexicon. Yeah, that’s great. Uh, no, I can’t think of anyone right now. Okay. Uh, I will say a couple of big men who figured out how to shoot threes. Sort of, not really. Amir Johnson and Yonas Valenunis. Uh, Amir Johnson, like if was Amir wasn’t so weird. JVS was weird, but I don’t know about airs. So airs was if like if Chris Buchche is the trebuche I would say what was the like was the catapult the like the previous like the very slow to load and launch and reset catapult that was kind of Amir Johnson. It was like the uh the sort of first step in that technology tree in the civ games. Um was Amir Johnson letting that three go, taking like nine seconds to just like fire it up and get it up. Um, and Yonas Valenunis just more the pump fake than the actual shot itself. The pump fake just being so pronounced and getting guys to bite. Even though like, are you really worried about Yonas Valentunis taking a three? Are you? Like Boon, I remember got like completely duped by it once in a game I was at and got dunked on. That was pretty fun. I think Drum, it might have been two guys in the same game now that I’m thinking about it. Drummond also on the Pistons back in the day. Um, but yeah, those are pretty funky jump shots. You know, Ronda Hollis Jefferson had a weird ass jump shot. That was bizarre. Gasol had a weird one, but he never jumped. That’s a really good Yeah, that’s a good point. It’s not a jump shot. It’s a stationary uh shot like the 50s. Yeah. Yeah. Gasol’s a really good one, too. It’s a bizarre looking I have kind of a contentious one. Um Okay. It’s Demar Rosen and I like his shot very much, but he does that thing where he jumps. I mean, I like it because it sort of like messes with physics. Like it jumps and it seems like he hangs in the air for a little bit and then he almost contorts his body into a V. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like his legs tilt like kick out, tilt out, and so does the upper half of his body when he makes the shot. But it looks it’s it’s signature. I like the weird look of it, but it is a signature look. Definitely that I think another signature looking jump shot and again not a weird one and someone we might talk about it with the next mailbag question is Norman Powell just like the elevation he got on his jump shot is very pretty um like very opposite of Chris Buchet’s but just like you know you look at Nor you could see like without just you could see like the the shadow image of that jump shot the mo cap of it and you’d say that’s Norman Powell because of the elevation he got on it. um quickly combing through some all-time Raptors three-point guys. Chris Buchchet had a sorry, not Chris Buchchet, Corey Joseph had a weird three-point shot, kind of slow to load. Um I think Luis Skola in his one year where he learned how to shoot threes with the Raptors. That was pretty fun. Another slow loader. Um but yeah, Chris Bush probably goes down as like the most unorthodox and strange jump shot we have ever seen from a Toronto Raptor player. Unless they can go sign Michael Kid Gilchrist out of whatever league he’s playing in now to uh you know kind of take up that mantle. Shout out Michael Kidg Gilchrist. A guy I did not think I would talk about on today’s show. The Raptors also used to employ Shawn Marion so he has to be mentioned here as well. That thing that thing in a video game was weird. Uh it like threw you off and it was hard to to mess with. Let’s go. Last question here from Jeff Exelon asking many X-Raptors have new contracts and new homes or both now. Which ex-Raptor do you expect to have the best year for their own personal reputation? Fred Van Vleet, Norman Powell, Gary Trent Jr., Chris Buchet? I think we can lump Pascal Seakaman here because he’s kind of going to be the dude on the Pacers this year with no Tyrese’s Hallebertton X-Raptor who’s going to have the most transformative season for the reputation. Katie, who you got? I I’ve got to go with Norman Powell actually because I think that he’ll do for a transformative year. I don’t know that they’ll have it, but um nothing really functionally has changed about that team besides Norman Powell. You know what I mean? Do we believe in Tyler Hero more? Not really. Um Bam I think consistently good like gets overlooked, but he doesn’t necessarily have that kind of the I don’t know the more like showboaty sidekick. Norm’s never been a huge showboater, but I think he is a very functional workhorse, so I think he’ll do really well, you know, with the heat. Um, maybe he gets a little bit flashier. Fred is another one, but I’m kind of like looking at the Durant, the Durant of it all. Yeah, when I think about he’s gonna look excellent next to Durant. I think it’s gonna be hard for him to not look awesome there. Yeah. God, I hate how good the Rockets are going to be. Emu Emmeodoka does not deserve this. Uh, you know what? I’m not like I don’t think they’re going to be bad, but I think uh I’m factoring in maybe more growing pains than you are. That’s fair. I do think they’re subnuggets for me. Um Yeah. Still in the West, I think the Nuggets are going to be or like an adjustment period. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, it’s uh but yeah, I think Fred’s gonna honestly, this is not someone who I’ve ever been like super keen on as a basketball player, but like Gary Trent Jr. is probably going to be asked to be like the third best player on the Bucks this year. He’s gonna get a ton of opportunity. Will it matter? So depressing. It is pretty grim. No doubt about it. But uh you know, I’d rather root for him than Kevin Porter Jr. Um to have a nice big breakout this year for sure. Uh how is Kevin Porter Jr. playing in the NBA? Who’s to say? But uh GTJ, yeah, I mean, you know, he had a nice season this past year. he still didn’t get paid as a result of it because um you know that type of player is just maybe not super valued by the league anymore, but he’s going to have a lot of opportunity. Maybe he can play himself into some more money next summer when there’s a little bit more cap space around the league. Um and uh you know like being a shooter playing next to Giannis Tentacmpo, not a bad way to find some success assuming the shots go in which is obviously a bit of a hit and miss proposition sometimes with Gary Trent Jr. Um Katie, we’re going to leave it there. This was lovely having you back and uh I guess having me back. You were doing the show with VC while I was gone and doing a wonderful job I should say. Um but yeah, great to reunite, have a chat about our pal Chris Buchchet. Anything you want to promote for the good people out there? No, sorry everyone for my lag. My video lag if you’re watching. It’s it’s really messed with my head watching me do it. Yeah, I’m curious as to whether or not like once we render the video if the lag will go away. If not, yes. Sorry for the lag. probably on my end because I have an old busted computer that I got to replace. But um yeah, we will leave it there. Basketball Feelings, go subscribe. Go give Katie money because Basketball Feelings is the best. Exit still going on. Um I you know, I was gone for six weeks, but I am still your number one hype person, Katie. Um thanks, my man. Refuse to promote your damn stuff. Either way, uh we’re back again on Thursday. I might have a guest. I might go solo where we’re going to kind of do the opposite of what we did last week with Mike Pina where last week we dug into, you know, the case for optimism with the Toronto Raptors. I’ll dig into tomorrow. Uh, you know, the the reasons why things might go horribly arry this year. I don’t think they’re necessarily likely, but they’re certainly on the table. We’ll do that to close the week off on a doomer note, baby. Uh, in the meantime, follow, subscribe, rate, review, tell a friend, all that good stuff. We will talk to you again on Thursday. Another episode of Lockdown Raptors. Thanks for hanging. Goodbye. Damn it.
Chris Boucher, the longest serving Toronto Raptors and last remaining member of the 2019 Championship team, is a Boston Celtic. In Episode 1921, Sean Woodley and Katie Heindl reunite to talk about Boucher’s lasting legacy as a long-time purveyor of energy, dunks and good vibes off the Raptors bench, whether him going to the dastardly Celtics changes how he’ll be viewed in Toronto long term, why he might be one of the last beloved bench guys of his kind in an NBA that encourages back-of-roster churn more each and every year, and some of their favourite moments from Boucher’s seven seasons in Toronto. Plus, they discuss whether any Raptors in history have had a weirder jump shot than Boucher, and which ex-Raptors are in line to have the most reputation-shifting seasons in new locales this coming year.
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I really cannot believe how Booby and darko screwed Boucher playing time. He is the most consistent player coming from bench, he work hard trying earn playing time but darko put him in the dog house Best wishes for you Chris show the Raptors !!!!
Why signed Temple when you can resign Boucher..Bobby blunder as always
That’s a top 10 intro Shaun