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Can De’Aaron Fox, Wemby get Spurs BACK into playoffs?!



Can De’Aaron Fox, Wemby get Spurs BACK into playoffs?!

[Music] Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome to the big number. I’m Tom Habestro and I’m reminding you that cuz yes, the offseason beard is coming in strong, Dan. And yours, I think you had to get rid of yours a couple weeks ago, months ago. It’s looking great, too. That’s Dan Devine. How you doing, man? I’m doing great. What is our big number this week? Well, my beard bro, we are going to get into this week’s big number, and it’s with the San Antonio Spurs. This week’s big number is five. As in that’s how many games that De’arren Fox and Victor Webyama played together last season. And yet that is all it took for the San Antonio Spurs to say, “You know what? Max extension for you, De’aran Fox. Come on down. We did that big trade last year. Only got five games with Wemi before he had to get sidelined with uh with his blood clot. And that that doesn’t matter. all we we we needed we saw all we needed to see and he gets a f a four-year max extension uh according to ESPN Shams Chirania four years 229 million uh that will take him through the 2029 2030 season. So even though Dan they barely over overlapped last season, he was traded and then Wemby was kind of a little fatigued you know before he a after the fact when the news came out that he was suffering from a blood clot. Only got five games. Dan, are you surprised by the news that we got early earlier this week that De’aran Fox had signed a max extension 30% of the cap with the San Antonio Spurs going forward for the next five years? I was not surprised for a couple of reasons. I mean, the number we will talk about because the this the big number this week is five, but the real big number is 229 million. We’ll talk about that in a minute. But I’m not surprised because after the deal when De’Arren Fox, I think it was with Michael C. Wright of ESPN, he gave an interview where he was talking about the trade out of Sacramento and like the potential list of suitors and the quote he gave was quote, “There was no list. There was one team. I wanted to go to San Antonio. So, I’m not surprised that Fox wanted to reup. And then in terms of the Spurs giving up like multiple first round picks, multiple second round picks. I think the all the all told it was four firsts, but like one of them was a fake Charlotte first to turn into two seconds. And the like the jewel of it might wind up being the Timberwolves unprotected 2031 first. But like multiple first round draft picks, multiple second round draft picks to be able to bring De’arren Fox in even knowing he was going to be up for a deal. you kind of knew this was coming. I think the question was, were they going to go all the way with it to the full four-year max when they made the deal for him, they had not yet risen up in the 2025 NBA draft lottery to get the number two pick and the rights to draft Dylan Harper, another lefty point guard. So, it was like, would that change their math at all? And evidently, the answer was no. They knew they felt clearly before they ever even got to see those five games in just 120 minutes of WebMyama with Fox. Like they feel pretty confident that he’s their guy and they’ve made an awfully big uh wager on him and a big uh you know outlay of money to keep him around to be WB’s running buddy for the next half decade. Yeah, this is kind of what you have to do now is when you acquire a star, you have to give up a lot of assets and players in order to get a a star and then you got to bring him in and sign him to an extension and try to keep him in uniform for as long as you can. And you’re seeing this around the league is uh the gut tax. Um this is not about your uh your gastrointestinal tract or anything like that. It’s gutting your team in or your assets in order to acquire an available superstar or star in the case of Dear Fox. And look, like we only have so much to go off of here. It was a down year for Dear and Fox, Dan. Like, it wasn’t a good year. He was dealing with uh a finger issue that he had to, you know, cut his season short and apparently uh that had been plaguing him all season long and hampering him. and his three-point shot wasn’t on top on uh on mark. And I do think that Darren Fox, you know, last year his his expected estimated plus minus, the the all-in-one player value metric over at dunks and threes.com, he was the 82nd best player or 83rd best player in the NBA last season. And that’s not what you want if you’re paying him 30% of the cap. A salary that will start at $49.6 6 million, which is going to be 30% of the cap. But if you look back the year before, he was a 22nd ranked player in the NBA, an expected estimated plus minus. So a top 25 player, yeah, you’re going to give him a 30% max contract if he’s in that range. if he’s in the allstar and all NBA caliber range. And even though there’s only five games of evidence that we we have of Wemby and Dear Fox, what we do know is players of that caliber of De’Arren Fox’s caliber, they’re not very available, right? So, like if you’re the San Antonio Spurs and you’re looking at the next few years as Wemby is already a top 10 player in the NBA and before he kind of had this little slump towards the end of his uh protracted season, he was a guy that was a top five player in that conversation, top five player on both ends of the floor. And we did a lot of coverage on Wemby last year. And I feel like De’aran Fox is is not the best point guard fit next to Wemby, but you also have to consider how many of those elite point guards in the NBA can you go get? Like, can you go get a Tyresese Hallebertton? Can you go get Jamal Murray? And what price tag is it going to uh get uh for you to acquire a guy like that? And so, I don’t love the fit between Webby and De’Arren Fox. I wish Darren Fox was a better three-point shooter and wasn’t so in love with the mid-range. But in terms of downhill scoring, pick and roll, transition scorer, I can see what the Spurs are seeing in that he is going to be that first great point guard for Victor Wbeyama. Hopefully he’s healthier next season. And look, the numbers in the 120 minutes, we only have 120 minutes of action when they were on the floor together. According to cleaning the glass, their offensive rating when Wemi and Dear and Fox shared the court last season was 48th percentile. So about average. The defensive side of the ball was 24th percentile. Again, 24th percentile defensively, their defensive rating. Not what you want to see. Darren Fox is not an elite point guard, but you know what? Is is Trey Young an elite point guard? Uh defensive point guard? Is uh Jamal my an elite defensive point guard? Like no. I can definitively answer those questions. The answers are no, but they’re making Dear Fox money next year. So, De’ar Fox is going to be making $49 million. Jamal Murray’s gonna be making $50 million. And um and Trey Young’s making $49 million next season once the extension kicks in. That’s the comp. Like, is Dear Fox in that tier of lead point guards, Jamal Murray, uh Tyrese Maxi, Tyrese Hallebertton, John Morant, Trey Young? I think he’s in that tier. Do I prefer Trey Young? I think I do. Uh I think I like his passing on this roster and spraying to other shooters and and and WBY, the fit between WBY and Trey Young, I’d like it a little bit better, but I can also understand why a transition scorer like De’aran Fox is appealing to the San Antonio Spurs. Absolutely. I mean, as you look at what kind of offensive weapons have been around when his first two seasons, and I think the the most comfortable fit we saw was last year with Chris Paul, obviously a very different kind of point guard than than Dearron Fox is going to be, but and so there’s ways in which that might be a negative where like obviously nobody’s going to pull the strings in the pick and roll and manipulate and orchestrate in the way that Chris Paul can and that’s not Dear Fox’s game. What he is though is a significantly higher level penetrator, rim pressure generator, somebody who can actually get to his own shot and then draw attention, which then theoretically opens up more room for Webyama. And your point about the limited sample and the the underwhelming numbers for the minutes where Fox and Webyama shared the floor, it made me think of a similar not exactly the same, but similar situation a few years back. Remember the trade that sent Tyrese Halbert into Indiana and brought Damonte Sabonis to Sacramento. They only played together for 13 games, Fox and Sabonis. A that first season, that first like abbreviated run after the trade deadline. 13 games. Kings went five and eight. They were outscored in the 360 minutes those two guys played together. And their offensive rating was 116.9. Like good, but not elite. Then they get an off seasonason. They get a training camp. Mike Brown comes in and has his ideas for how he wants to sort sort of supercharge things and the next season together in the game that they played together 43 and 28 plus 117 in more than 1600 minutes and all of offensive rating of 123.8 so like like seven points per 100 higher the Kings vault all the way up to number one offense in the NBA and make the playoffs. It is not a one for one. Obviously, Wanyyama is a different player than Sabonis. Wanyama is a different player than anybody we’ve ever seen, but that idea of it’s pretty hard. Like, there’s no substitute for time for reps, for opportunities to develop chemistry in a twoman game. Like, a guard and a big have to play together. You’ve got to learn how that guy screens. Is he going to set hard or is he always going to pop or slip? How often is he going to roll versus pop? You know, what kind of gravity does he have when he does pop? Like Sabonis was never going to be a spacer, so he was always going to be living around the elbows and the actions kind of always had to operate around there. Well, WBY is a legit pop threat and a legit spacer out there that teams are going to have to guard. Is that going to give Fox just wider open driving lanes than he’s ever had? If he’s able to get down, he’ll suck in that defense. Is Weama going to be dealing with the the easiest looks he’s ever going to get? If he rolls more often, does he get more drop off passes because they’re having to play the cat-and- mouse game against the driving guard? like it’s just a diff all of that is new for all of those guys to learn. They barely had any time to do it. And I think the Spurs bet here is with more reps, more opportunity, and a longer runway, there’s a chance for a dramatic improvement on the offensive end of the floor where the Spurs really haven’t been all that good for a while. And then with that, this is a rising tide that kind of lifts all boats. Sort of like your beard. Um, that puts us in a position to where the offense could could really elevate the team to play in maybe fringe playoff. Like the the Spurs are are betting on we pay Fox to professionalize this offense and everybody gets better around it and all of a sudden we’re contending. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think playoff is the is the right goal for this team. I think they can get into the top eight and potentially in the top six if Dear Fox gets back to that level that he was a couple years ago. Look, he’s healthier, right? We’re hoping that that that surgery is actually going to help him get back to that form from a couple years ago. And I I said this earlier, but I think we need to really stress this. Victor Webbyama was playing with what seems to be the ill effects of a blood clot in those last five games before he left right around the All-Star break. So like he wasn’t 100% at that time. And so those two factors, injury factors or health factors going in the other direction, uh we’ll probably see a better uh combination and those numbers will improve. Now another thing here I want to talk real quick about the Weby win window. The Wembi window is something that I figured out last year is like when you got Victor Webbyama top five, top 10 player in the NBA who’s getting paid less than the mid-level exception, you have basically all of this cap space to play with before that that second contract kicks in. So next year, Victor Webbyama is going to be making like $12 million and he’s being the production that he’s giving you is like a $70 million player. So, there’s all of this economic rents or economic value that the Spurs are like, “All right, when we got a player who’s overplay or overachieving his contract by $67 million, where do we go get that? Where do we go get a player to kind of fill in that cat room and they found Dear Fox and he’s going to make, you know, $50 million next season when his extension kicks in. But if you combine the salary with Victor Webbyama, it’s going to be $67 million, which is something that alone is what some players are going to be making alone. One player is going to be making next season. So if you look at that from that perspective, the first year of De’Aran Fox extension, not this upcoming year, but the following season, they’re going to be making $66 million combined. Jimmy Butler and Moses Moody in Golden State, $69 million combined. Anthony Davis and Caleb Martin, $68 million combined. Zack Lavine and Demanis Sabonis are going to be making $95 million combined. About 30 million more than what De’arian Fox and Victor Webama are going to make in two years. So from that perspective, I understand why San Antonio is like, “Hey, we got to take advantage and capitalize on this WBY window when he’s making, you know, 20 cents on the dollar compared to what his actual value is on the open market.” And so we’ll see. Uh we haven’t talked about the guys behind him. We’ll talk about that in a little bit. But with Dylan Harper and Steph Castle behind De’Aran Fox, it’s almost going to be like that Sacramento thing where De’aran Fox is going to be kind of the mentor for Tyrese Hallebertton, but that ended uh where Tyrese Hallebertton went to another team. They got Demanis Sabonis. We’ll see how it plays out. We’ve got four little numbers here, Dan. Uh some four other thoughts about this De’arren Fox max extension with the San Antonio Spurs coming up right after the break. All right, Dan. This week’s big number is five. It’s the only games that we saw between uh Darren Fox and Victor Webbyama play together last year with the Spurs. And yet a max extension for De’Aran Fox. Uh you got four little numbers about this deal. Let’s start with the first one. What you got? This week’s first little number is five, which is because I’m unoriginal and I wanted to copy off of your paper, but also because that’s how many players have averaged at least 24 points and six assists per game on 47% or better shooting since the start of 201920. So, we’re talking about a six-year span. 24-6 over 47% shooting. Those players, Nicolola Yokic, Jiannis Dakmpo, Luca Donuch, LeBron James, and Dearon Fox, if you drop the sliders down because I will admit 246 47. Kind of a thin slice of the uh the old database there. 20 and five on 45% shooting. Whomst among us does not love round numbers. 20 and five, 45% shooting. still only 13 guys, the names that we just mentioned, plus people like Stephen Curry, Jimmy Butler, Devin Booker, Donovan Mitchell. And I think that De’Arren Fox keeping that kind of company when you talk about production and consistency of production and efficiency in terms of scoring might surprise a lot of people who didn’t catch up with a lot of Kings games outside of the light the beam season. So, especially when you consider like the see what seems to me and maybe you have have seen something different feels like it’s been a pretty tepid response to the idea of paying De’Arren Fox a 30% max out in the the market and in the marketplace of ideas that is basketball internet. So, okay, I think we can safely say De’arren Fox probably not like Joker Giannis level good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like how good is he, Tom? And like how good does he have to be to make this contract stand up? I think he’s got to be better than he was last season as a baseline. What we saw last year and it was an injury riddled season for him and it was an awkward season having to start next to Chris Paul and then you also got Steph Castle. There was kind of um it it seemed like he wanted to go to San Antonio and knew that like next four years is really what this this contract is all about or this deal is all about. I feel like De’aran Fox is a top 50 player going forward for the next four years. I think in order to justify this contract, he’s got to be at least an All-Star season over the next four years with Victor Webbyama. A lot of that is going to come with winning. Like they can’t be a 30 35 win team and expect Darren Fox to get a second all-star bid alongside Victor Webbyama. WBY’s that good that I think as he ages, De’aran Fox will probably benefit from a lot of the halo effect of playing next to Wembi and his numbers will look better just by virtue of having all that gravity and that attention to Wembley who’s this 7 foot8. Like how tall is he now? I don’t know. But like Darren Fox is a small guard who needs a guy like that and didn’t really have it in Sabonis to cover up defensively and not have to have everything like at his best. Darren Fox is an abovea defender, but he’s not going to be able to do that and lead all of the point guard duties for this team and try to be a 25-point scorer. I think Darren Fox is a really good elite point guard in today’s NBA. Up and down player, a guy that is very different from Chris Paul. Chris Paul is a guy that likes to slow things down and beat you methodically. Darren Fox wants to get it and go and then if he doesn’t get it at, you know, and in transition, he’s going to be able to probe, pull it back out and start the offense with WBY. Webby is not your kind of like tailor made pick and roll rim runner uh big man. And so I don’t think Dear Fox is a great lob threat uh for a lob passer in the same way that Chris Paul or the same way that um uh Trey Young is or Luca Donuch, but I don’t think he needs to be that. I just think he needs to be an all-star caliber player and Dan, I think he can do it if that finger feels better and he gets to be a better shooter than he’s we saw last year. Makes a ton of sense. I’m interested to see how having a different kind of threat to feed impacts Fox’s floor game, his playmaking games. I think we think of him primarily as a, you know, going and getting his own. This could be an opportunity for him to really level up as a facilitator. But speaking of going and getting his own, brings us to our second little number. this week. That is 15.2, which is how many drives to the basket Fox averaged per game last season. According to Second Spectrum Tracking, that’s eighth most in the NBA. Fox has averaged 15 or more drives to the basket per game in each of the last six seasons and has finished in the top 10 in points per game off of drives in each of those six seasons. The Spurs haven’t had somebody penetrate that often or that effectively since Dejonte Murray in 202122. So, we’re talking like four years since then. In fact, they haven’t had anybody even average 10 drives to the basket per game in WMBB’s first two seasons. For a couple years ago, when Webby was a rookie, it was Deon Vel leading the team just under nine a game. Last season, Stefon Castle, 9.4 per game. So, I’m wondering what does what do you think introducing that sort of north south element can do to the Spurs offense? And in particular, what does it do for WMBBY’s offense? Yeah, I mean, if you’re putting teams into a blender and getting those rotations and you have WMBBY out on the perimeter or Wemby kind of sneaking into the dunker spot, like what are you going to do with that guy? If the if the defense is stationary, WMBB is so much easier to guard. You know, he’s not 78 anymore. He’s just another dude if there’s no rotations. You’re not putting uh any anybody in a blender. And that’s the hope with Darren Fox is like a lot of the Chris Paul actions last season wouldn’t end up getting those skip passes that you would need to get kind of a downhill Webby from the perimeter or a mismatch for WBY where because of those rotations and those switches. Uh you’re going to get Webby having a big mismatch uh underneath the basket or at least get some space for a lob for WBY. So I do like the aspect of a downhill guy in Dear Fox. He’s not an elite finisher around the rim. He’s I would say Darren Fox is a poor man’s Shay Gildris Alexander in this sense that he’s always going to get downhill, but he loves the mid-range in a sense where he likes to pull up in that, you know, 10 15t area and get kind of this uh this little like fadeaway jumper. Shake Alexander is the best in the world at doing this, right? Darren Fox isn’t on that level. But even a poor man’s Sha Gildress Alexander is probably a a what a borderline all-star player. That’s okay. Darren Fox, I think, needs to get better at finishing at the cup. But getting downhill is so important in today’s NBA. And in the same way that Shay Gil Alexander just cuts through the defense and then creates all of these rotations and swing, swing, swing, and then suddenly Lou Dort has an open three. that’s what you hope for Devin Vel or that’s what you hope for Steph Casser, Dylan Harper, um Harrison Barnes, Victor Webeman, all of that I think is gonna help kind of make others better around him. Yeah, it’s it’s interesting because it’s not like he won’t be the level of like pinpoint passer that Chris Paul was, but the way he can bend the defense might create more open looks for those guys or or create more in rhythm opportunities even if like the pass might not be as perfect. just you you have a larger margin for error when you’ve drawn all that attention. So, that’ll be interesting to see. Also interesting to see our third little number here is 33, which is De’Arren Fox’s career three-point shooting percentage across eight pro seasons. According to Statathead’s database, got 173 guards who’ve played at least 5,000 minutes and attempted five three-pointers per 36. 173 guards with that, you know, who’ve played that much and shot that much. H Fox is 166th in three-point percentage. So that’s not great. Um, your guys below him there on that list, Taylor Horton Tucker, Jordan Crawford. Who else going to shoot? Vernon Maxwell, Baron Davis, Marcus Smart, White Chocolate, Jason Williams, and Jaylen Suggs. Not exactly a murderer’s row of three-point marksmen. That’s not really where you want to be, especially when you’re thinking about how do we space the floor around our generational gigantic guy. In fairness, there have been a couple of seasons where Fox has shot above league average, including two seasons ago when he shot just under 37% on nearly eight attempts per game. So, high volume, good accuracy. For the most part, though, been pretty hit or miss, literally, uh, whether he’s off the catch or off the pull. So, for a Spurs team that doesn’t have a ton of bankable shooting elsewhere either yet, and who’s got like, you know, Stephen Castle still a developing marksman, Dylan Harper, not a great shooter at Ruters. There’s still a lot of guys that got to develop. Does making that big a commitment to somebody who’s not that great a shooter give you some pause about the deal? It does. It does. And and we already made the comp earlier about Trey Young. He’s like, would you rather have Trey Young on this team? But he’s also an overrated, I would say, three-point shooter. Career 35% Darren Fox at 33%. Um, but he’s 35% in your mind. Trey Young, it feels like he should be a 38% uh three-point shooter. And because he has those logo threes, you feel like he’s a better shooter than he is. Two years ago, uh Trey Young was at 37%. A few years even before that, 38%. Similar, uh numbers in terms of like at peak, he’s a really good three-point shooter and has deeper range than De’Aran Fox. But like you we we talked about with Shay Gildress Alexander, like you can be an elite point guard in today’s NBA without being a topshelf three-point shooter. But the margins are so much thinner for a guy like De’Arren Fox who’s not a Trey Young caliber playmaker. And I would say in terms of uh defensively I I would say Dear Fox is closer to SGA than he is Trey Young, but still not an elite defender. So what I I’m not I’m not excited about the three-point shot uh benefits of playing next to WebMama. That’s like I’m I’m kind of tepid like you said earlier about it, but I think you’re getting De’arren Fox cuz he’s a downhill scorer and hopefully he can add some three-point a better three-point shooting efficiency. But to me, getting the team, the defense in a blender is way more important for this team than say in a pick and roll, a high pick and roll, whether the defender is going under or over you because I think the attention with WBY is going to be catamount paramount to what you’re seeing with De’ar Fox. How effective is that pick and roll action? Well, I think it’s the it’s the all the attention to that 7 foot8 guy. I love we’re just stamping 78 as legit. I love that. Um we’re just making numbers bigger. That’s what we’re doing on this show. Like you think he’s 7 foot three, but I we’re just going to keep going. By the end of it, who knows? Eight feet. We’ll see. I love that. Uh just like Luca’s 42inch vertical leap. You know, it’s you once we start you say things enough and then it winds up being true. Um, for what it’s worth, the only Spurs returning from last year’s roster who shot league average or better from three, Harrison Barnes, Deon Bell, and Julian Champany. We got to make sure we shout out Julian Champani on all shows at all times. Um, and your point about the under potential, you know, defender ducking under on the pick and roll. Trey Young, like you said, not an elite uh accuracy, but what matters is do they believe that you’re going to shoot it from there? And do they are they worried about it? It’s that that idea of like are do you have the gravity that they’re scared of you out there and will the defense react accordingly? What does that open up? That’s the sort of the next tier for Dearron Fox to be able to unlock in his game. He’s had it at times. Would be interesting to see it happen again. Our fourth and final little number this week is six. That’s how many years it’s been since the Spurs made the playoffs. Uh they lost to the Nuggets in the first round in 2019. Seven game series. In my memory, there was a Derek White game uh way back in the day. That is by far the longest postseason drought in San Antonio Spurs franchise history. And this kind of surprised me when I was looking it up. It’s the second longest drought in the NBA behind only the Charlotte Hornets at nine seasons. Really? Yeah. I mean, I think and it’s funny enough because what was the gold standard or I guess I don’t know the pewtor standard, the what’s a it’s a tarnished metal. um the the dirty bronze standard of playoff droughts was Sacramento Kings and then a couple years ago, De’Arren Fox goes bonkers, wins clutch player of the year with, you know, makes all NBA, they make the playoffs, break that drought. Second, uh the second most longest one now is the San Antonio Spurs. you mentioned earlier by any number of advanced metrics by your eye test whatever Victor Ramenyama a top 10 arguable top five when healthy and and at his full full power caliber player in the NBA already when you ask me what did the Fox deal make me think the deal and then the subsequent extension made me think this is like a move you make because you realize it’s important enough to get that guy into real games that matter right now and does that strike you Tom as maybe moving a little too fast or like a worthwhile expense. Yes, we’ll deal with the downside risk later. Yes, we’ll deal with our crowded backcourt later, but let’s do what we can right now to get this guy into games of consequence. Reasonable or maybe a bit uh over ambitious for the Spurs. I love the idea. I love the strategy, especially in today’s NBA where their major injuries happen uh a lot more than what you expect given in the 90s and early 2000s. that can kind of reset your franchise and scramble your uh your future plans. I do think that when you have a player this good in Victor Wanyama, you got to strike while the iron’s hot. Like planning five 10 years down the road, yes, you have to have the long term in mind. They’re signing to an extension a 27year-old in De’Aran Fox, not a 37year-old Damen Lillard or Chris Paul to a max extension, right? So, like this is a guy that can be really good for them right now and really good for them 3 4 years down the line. And I do think that I’m I’m very much in the land of pouncing while you have a franchise player that is not just going to be great 5 years from now, but great right now. Victor Wyama’s elite great MVP candidate right now. And so, if you’re going to be, you know, trying to uh plan five years, fine. But don’t wait because you never know if that that whole window that championship window is going to open. And I do think that when you talk about historically Tom Ziller did a great piece this week on Good Morning Basketball when he wrote out like there really isn’t a great comp for what we’re seeing a year three guy in Victor Webbyama having uh a co-pilot liked De’aran Fox who is a one-time AllNBA player, one-time all-star. But in terms of accelerating the timeline, you only do it for the guys like LeBron and Luca and Victor Webeyama, guys who are already in their second year have already catapulted themselves into the elite inner circle of the league. And I do think, Dan, this is fun. It’s exciting. And I think as a fan of the NBA, it makes me much more um much more excited about this upcoming season to see what Victor Wemanyama is with great talent next to him because I think so much of the NBA is like, “All right, let’s just kick the can down the road, play the sustainability game.” LeBron James in his first uh you know seven years with the Cavs. I kind of feel like we were all waiting for the Cavs to like put a guy who was next to LeBron James who was worthy of being next to LeBron James an all-star and they ended up with like a little too late Mo Williams and Antoine Jameson and I love Zunrunisk here but like I’m a big big Z fan club like I’m in on that exact board. However, I do think that the Cavs slow played the LeBron era way too much and I think that’s a reason why he decided to leave and go to Miami. And the question that’s going to I mean, maybe it’s a $229 million question is like is Dearon Fox a player commensurate with this kind of gamble, right? Or or maybe not even gamble, but this kind of wager, this idea that like we we’re putting him next to Embayama because we think he can elevate and accelerate uh the timetable for our franchise. I think on that on that it just entered my thought if Nico Harrison decided to open up the trade talks instead of just sending him to LA the Luca Donic and Victor Webbyama like I don’t think Nico has a ready now ready player to win now like Anthony Davis on the Spurs roster but like that’s something that is is possible right to think that like maybe the Spurs could have had Luca Luca Dodge was on the trade block last year, man. And like Webby could have played with that guy or Joic could have played with that guy. Sorry. Sorry for the side rant.

Tom Haberstroh and Dan Devine dive into De’Aaron Fox getting big money with an extension from the San Antonio Spurs to play alongside Victor Wembanyama. Can Fox be the ideal running mate with Wemby and will it end with a playoff appearance?

0:00 – Intro
0:29 – The Big Number: 5 games with Fox + Wemby
14:31 – Little Numbers: Fox shooting averages
18:47 – Little Numbers: De’Aaron drives to the basket
21:54 – Little Numbers: Fox 3PT shooting
26:10 – Little Numbers: Spurs playoff drought

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  1. If T. Young was a better fit off the court and a better “Spurs” character wise, the SASFO would have traded much more to land him. Because Fox has that humble but confident attitude, wanted to be here etc.. he is a better overall fit in the Grand Scheme. Spurs basketball isn’t just stats. The Fox signing after passing on Young is proof of that to me.
    GO SPURS GO!

  2. This is a terrible take that feels like it was based on nothing but a google search for stats then make up the rest….Not going to waste my time educating these clowns!

  3. I'm at the 10 minute mark so sorry if y'all cover this…. Yeah y'all mention 5 games with a pinky needing surgery + Wemby with a blood clot (and no practices)…. But also they didn't have any competent bigs around Wemby & now they have 2, plus the forced Fox/CP3 lineups weren't optimal due to the Spurs' promise to Chris. Lots of upside

  4. Didn’t Fox average like 60% fg at the rim ? Plus he had an over 50% on mid range shot didn’t he his last healthy season?

  5. Spurs playoff goal is achievable with the roster now. Fox will lead this team . The Spurs have a combination of talent, maturity, youth and championship wisdom from Barnes and Kornet. The deepest team in the NBA right now.

  6. Dan and Tom have a very deep understanding of the business aspect of the NBA. They elaborated on the Spurs management decisions that really answered the fans questions. Great job guys!

  7. Wondering as it seems like often when role players that are potential stars get into even bigger roles their efficiency gets even better.

    Conventional thinking is that they should be getting worse because theyre taking more shots getting tired etc.

    However, it does seem like the stats show otherwise. I haven't looked into this but wondering if you can check players that take on higher usage get better efficiency wise.

    I think it actually is expected. And I believe its due to players getting better rhythm with their shots whereas when they were role players the rhythm for them was harder to come by.

  8. Victor and Fox numbers don’t look great because they had to share the floor with CP3. He wanted to start so bad it left them with a 3 guard lineup that would get killed on the perimeter

  9. During the 5 games Fox and Wemby shared the court Fox was dealing with a finger injury that would eventually require surgery and end his season and Wemby was, unbeknownst to everyone, dealing with a blood clot.

    Just adding context.

  10. Bradley-Beale mistake by the spurs. Fox is not a Luka or LeBron. Plus, who will they have to get rid of when Wemby gets paid? Fox should have been signed for Mikal Bridges money – 4 years 190 million

  11. Basically I agree that it's not an ideal fit – there's very few PGs in the league who can fit with Wemby in a way that maximizes his abilities. The ideal would be someone with strong defense, distribution, and elite 3pt shooting. Trae isn't any better on defense but he's better on the other two categories than Fox. That said, the effect of having these two healthy playing a full season together is still going to well overshoot the results from last year just for sheer force of talent. When you have to worry about the threat of two star caliber players as scoring threats, the way defenses are going to be pulled in different directions is going to pay crazy dividends. The other guys are going to shoot better for these two pulling the attention, as well. It could be a very nasty year for anyone facing the Spurs.

  12. That's an awesome point re: Wemby's and Fox's combined salaries. As a two-man threat, even with Fox's max, they're a pretty solid deal in terms of EPM per dollar

  13. What you have to keep in mind when looking at those 5 games that Fox and Wemby played together, is that both were injured/ill, like you mentioned. When both are fully healthy, I expect them to be a top 5 PG + center duo in the league.

  14. For those of us didn’t see much of Fox in Sacramento, we have a lot to learn about his ability. Still, his credentials are stellar and I trust that PATFO knows what they are doing. All this talk of his 3-pt shot and comparing him to a 6’6” SGA really doesn’t mean much to me. Fox has his own style that fits his abilities and it works very well. Let’s give the guy a chance before we start crying about what he isn’t. Also, aside from Wemby, he will have an exciting supporting cast. I’m excited to see what this team can do!

  15. you can always tell the people who don't watch some nba teams and only look at highlights and stats before offering their opinion on that team. good thing those type of people have large platforms. rofl

  16. Those who say Harper could've taken Fox's position, you can't put the pressure on a teenager to carry a franchise.

  17. CORRECTION: De'Aaron Fox will be making $37M next year from his previous extension with Sacramento. The Spurs max doesn't start until the '26 – '27 season.

  18. Franchise PGs take time to grown and develop, you can't ask Victor to wait until Dylan develops. They are taking advantage of there assets and cap flexibilty to give Wembanyama a chance right now, cause he's ready

  19. I happened on you guys yesterday – hadn't seen you before. I like your analysis and the results of the in-depth research you did. It added what I thought was good depth and credibility with your conversation. I was able to understand the details of the contract Fox now has. Thanks. To put things in a kind of perspectiive, I have been a Spurs fan since the days when I remember calling in to a local radio station upset because the Spurs chose to draft Alfrederick Hughes…. In days of old, one could go over to the Blossom Athletic Center and watch some of the practices…. Now personally, I have been peeking at Fox since he arrived at Sacramento. Though I remember him being at Kentucky, that was about it. Considering the relative limited exposure I had with Sacramento games, I began to appreciate him more each time I saw him. With each game, I liked him more to the point where a growing consistent thought of "I wish the Spurs could get him" was present. And this was well before we learned of Pop's stroke. He had the b-ball skills BUT I also picked up his Spurs-like character. When he signed, I was tickled pink. Then after signing, I learned more about him and was happier. To me, the combination of Fox's b-ball skills, character, AND his desire to wear the silver and black, set him well above some of the other established guards you guys mentionend throughout the Youtube. Now, with "Pop" no longer the head coach, I think Fox is a much better "fit" for the Spurs. Looking forward to great things taking place in the "210".

  20. Of those minutes together, a lot of them were played with Chris Paul, which made no sense at all: Fox wants to speed things up, and Paul wants to slow things down. They also made for a small backcourt.

    Not worried about the Wemby-Fox fit, at all.

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