Could the Kings Offseason End Up A Bigger Miss? – August 6: The Insiders + D-Lo & KC
Good morning, chatty house. I am right now learning Kyle Madson’s hatred for Little League World Series, which I did not know existed. Oh man, they’re reviewing this. They’re reviewing it. Is it a catch? Is it not? What’s up, Warren? You up in here? Warren is up in here. What’s that fant Michigan got the belt today? Congratulations, Michigan. Scooter, it’s not a catch. If the umpires call this a catch after review, I’m turning this stuff off. Oh no. And look at this guy. Oh my god. They Oh my god. Here goes coach taking it way too serious. Thank you. We’ve got the Little League World Series on, guys. It’s one of my least favorite things that gets televised in sports. God th this is what it’s all about. H what’s up Andrew? Bob Hachi, Miss Mac, hello Johnny G. Curtis, very good to see everybody. Brian, David Jackson, David. Good morning, Chatty House. There’s Joe. The voice of Joe. Jesus. Oh my god. Hey, if he calls this an out. Yeah. Good. Good work, boys. Good work. And look at this guy. He’s like God, I hate this guy. I hate him. I hate him. I can’t stand that guy. I’m enjoying Kyle’s disdain. All right. You know what? Okay. He redeemed himself. The villain arc was good. He accepted the explanation. I think he said, “You know what? Hey, said not. It was inconclusive. Sorry.” And coach, all right, fine. Jesus Joe. 25 is a hos though. Good god. Yeah, it’s a big boy. The worst part is he’s like a year away from like peaking physically. You know what? You know what I can’t deal with is the fact that these youths are doing the thing where they tuck their pants into their socks. It looks ridiculous. beyond the next behind the scenes. Yeah, it sure is. James is over there. I’m Kyle. Joe Brazil on the ones and twos. You guys didn’t tell me the Little League World Series is starting. I We have worked together for almost two years. Yeah. I I two years in in a month. Yeah. I know your your sports fandom pretty well at this point. Yeah. I did not know that you have a deepseated hatred for Little League World Series. Yeah. Yeah. It’s uh I didn’t know. Yeah. It’s just kind of I don’t know. Although that kid on first base has what I believe the youths call aura. The way he flipped his bat after he walked was was really strong. No, I just can’t. There’s there’s just certain things. First of all, this is this is not Little League World Series related. This is baseball style related. Okay. And Joe, you’ve played baseball more recently than I have. So, I I want your input here. The pants tucked into the socks looks ridiculous. Can we knock it off? It’s very strange. I’ve seen I’ve seen major leaguers do this, too. Like they they get their pants hemmed like right above the knee and then they pull the sock all the way up. It looks dumb as hell. You look ridiculous. Clean it up. Yeah, I’ve never done that. This kid at first base has it right now. The kid batting has it right now. The high socks. Stoked. Love it. The strip. It looks sick. Shout out to the pitcher wearing stirrups. This is a really good baseball style situation here except for the pants tucked into socks. What are we doing? Yeah, it’s uh it’s completely outrageous. This kid’s on a pitch clock. My goodness. He’s like wrapped up. That’s a great play. That’s a great play. He caught it. Oh my god. Blue, you got to let him make a play. This is ridicul. Line drive to short. Short stop. Gets down on him. Backhands it. Picks it up. Oh, he’s going to cry. Cry. He’s crying. He’s going to cry. Why is he No, bud. I went up it. No, you can’t, buddy. And the All he has to do is flip it to second. Yeah, he’s got You got You got to throw it there. You got, see, this is twice now. This is poor preparation. See this coach is out here now. He’s going to go talk to his kids. He’s got This is poor preparation by the coach. That’s twice that his fielders have what made what they thought was an out. Yep. And then didn’t do anything with the ball after. Yeah. That’s tough. It’s really tough. Like coach, that’s on you. I’m not putting this on the 12-year-old. That’s on coach. Yeah. It’s situational awareness. You got to coach these kids up. This is kind of a bit like Good morning. I don’t actually Good morning, everyone. I don’t actually hate the Little League World Series. Good morning. What I do, what I do hate, there’s two things I I despise about the Little League World Series. It has nothing to do with the with the kids who are who are putting their hearts and souls into this. I think that’s awesome. I think it’s really cool. And I think the publicity they get from this is is is incredible for for most of them. For for me, if I had gotten to do this, it would have been the highlight of my baseball career without like by bar none. Oh, yeah. By far. It’s the coaches that take it. There’s the coaches that are really cool, but then there’s the coaches where you can tell their career fell short and this is how they’re trying to make up for it. Oh yeah, that’s the worst. And then the umpiring is just abominable. It really takes me out of the game. You can’t you like I said, you’re watching this kid like that that shortstop didn’t catch that ball and that’s a great play. That’s a great play. Fives that a babe. Uh little little tough one hop. Scooped it. Got to second base. Got the out and wiped tears from his eyes. South Carolina goes into the goes into the bottom of the six down four nothing. But I like these kids are putting their hearts and souls into this. Yep. That kid didn’t catch the line drive. He one hopped it and and you saw him like fighting back tears because he didn’t make the out. Like that’s how much this means to these kids. Yeah. Yeah. And you’ve got up at the plate and a pitch 12 feet outside and you’ve got umpires calling it a strike. Like this does nothing for these kids and their development in baseball. like you’re you should be teaching them about the strike zone and to be selective at what pitches they’re swinging at and instead they have no idea. And I know that there’s somebody listening to this on the radio on ESPN 1320 a.m. or 98.5 FMHD2. Good morning. Hello. Either listening to this or maybe you’re watching on youtube.com/ ESPN1320 at twitch.tv/ ESPN1320. Maybe you’re on one of the various apps Odyssey, iHeart, TuneIn. Those are all free. Maybe you’re listening there or maybe you’re listening to the podcast that James Ham and Kyle Madson show. However you’re listening or watching, we appreciate you so much. You might be listening or watching and going, “Well, Kyle, they’re volunteer umpires. What do you expect?” No, I understand they’re volunteer umpires. The Little League World Series, the Little League, the Little League, the organization, is probably making bank. Oh, they’re making tens of millions off of this. They have television rights. So much money. Yeah. Off of this. Pay pay some umpires to come out and be good at this. Should we be paying little league athletes at the Little League World Series? NIL for for for the kids. That’s right. I don’t want to go go down that that rabbit hole, but but seriously, like for the umpires, if you’re going to put this type of production value into this, and if it’s going to mean these this much to these kids, like there’s college umpires, I’m sure, that aren’t doing anything right now. Yep. Bring them out, pay them a little bit. I I would love it. Like Bobby here is sponsored by like Pokemon Go. Look at him get to first base. I wonder if he’s thrown an egg. I mean, wild. Seriously, dude. Here comes Bobby, who’s today sponsored by Big O Tires. There it is. Head into your local Big O Tires and say sponsored by Jify Lube, I should say. Whoops. Whatever. All right, we’re back. We are back. What’s going It’s August 6th, which means it is day 31 and I’m so excited to debut this. And if you are on social media paying close attention, you heard this already. But I’m so excited to debut this. It is day 31 of Kaminga Watch. And I am so thrilled to say nothing happened. There’s no news. There’s no new reporting about deals. There’s no new reporting about I I saw somebody say, “Hey, Kaminga posted that he’s in Sacramento. The Kings got to get this done.” And then I went and looked at his Instagram story. He is very much not in Sacramento. No, the place he was in is is not sack. I promise. But there’s nothing going on on day 31 of Kaminga Watch and my suspicion that this is going to lead into late September. I’m just that’s where I’m riding right now. You’re sticking with it. You had some updates though on some of the minutia of this October 1st deadline that everybody’s kind of working off of because the reporting around this has been well October 1st. he has o until October 1st to sign the qualifying offer. And then we’ve also mentioned, hey, the Warriors can pull the qualifying offer and make him an unrestricted free agent, but that’s not necessarily the case anymore. No, because the deadline for that was July 13. So, they can’t pull the qualifying offer, but October one is not necessarily a hard deadline. No, it’s not. So, uh, according to Hoopswmer, just going through this morning and kind of like reading up on this situation, October 1st is is a deadline, but that’s also it can be mutually extended. Like they can push it back two weeks, they can push it back another two weeks. There is no limit on how many times they can push it out. Mhm. Um only that there is a hard deadline of March 1st that uh you have to actually sign the qualifying offer or not sign the qualifying offer by that point. And that’s again if it’s been negotiated multiple times to push the deadline back. So October 1st is is not a real deadline either. Uh so there there really is no deadline, Kyle. Yeah, because if Kaminga and the Warriors decide amongst themselves, you know what? October 1st, nothing done yet. Want to kick the can to October 15? Yeah. All right, fine. Hey, want to get November 6th. Sound good? November 6th. Okay. Yeah, we’re going to move it back. Well, now it is mutual, though. So, right. Right. They have to decide between themselves. So, if the Warriors say, “Hey, do you want to push this out to October 15th?” And Kaminga is like, “Nope, I’m good. October 1, that’s the date.” that could also happen. So, uh, yeah, I mean, I think that this thing is still like it’s it’s in process. Like we had a podcast yesterday, the Kingspeed podcast with me and Sean and and Brendan, and you know, I think everyone has a different idea of what’s going to happen here. But I think the prevailing thing is a lot of people are like, okay, they’ve just kind of moved on, like this isn’t going to happen right now. And and I don’t believe that to be the case. I still think there’s possibility this thing does get done. Um, but but I think they I it wouldn’t shock me if the Kings have moved on from the standpoint of this is as much as they’re getting out of us. Yeah. We’ve negotiated. We’ve we’ve now included Malik Monk. We’ve now included this this protected first. If you guys want to quibble with protections over a quick phone call before we get this done, cool. But until then, we’ll talk to you. Yeah. And we’ve got vacations to take. And you can even like again, it could be like, “All right, you don’t like it being lottery protected. Okay, how about a top 10 protected page?” Sure. Right. Yeah. You can move the protections up a couple of spots that you can sort out in a phone call before going, “Okay, great. We agreed steal done.” Yeah. The I I think the heavy lifting is is probably over at least from the Kings perspective. And if that’s their best offer and that’s that’s what the Warriors are going to do, then they’re going to have to do some some additional movement on their sides. And we we’ve heard, you know, Buddy Healed, Moses Moody, they’re going to have to move on from those guys to bring in that salary. But that that’s on that’s on Golden State to figure out. From the king’s perspective, it’s like, “All right.” Yeah. I I think that there is a possibility that this thing like just reignites out of nowhere and gets done. Yeah. Oh, for sure. I also I also think that we’re it’s very possible we’re going to sit here the whole month of August like having, you know, Kaminga updates here and there. What do we got? We going to do the drop again? No. Oops. Well, we tried, but we turned it down because the explosion sound leaks out a little long. So, I’m going to say that. There we go. Flamingo watch. It will continue. It’s funny. We can uh we can officially blame Charlie cuz he was very clear that he’s the one who chose the explosion. No, it No, honestly, no. This is on me. And I want to full transparency here on the on the Kamingo watch drop. I I emailed Charlie yesterday and I said, “Hey, can I get the voice guy to say Kaminga watch with a with like an explosion sound at the at the end?” Yeah. And the guy sent over a few different versions of him saying Kaminga watch. I think Charlie picked the right one. And then Charlie included the explosion sound and he absolutely picked the right one. That was exactly what I was envisioning in my head. And when I saved it, I could have chopped the end of the sound off. Oh, got it. Like that’s on me at that point. And I did a bad job. When I listen to it, I’m like, “Oh, okay. That’ll be fine.” But as I listen to it here on the radio, it’s like, “Ah, it drags out a little long.” Like this is like listen to listen to how long this drags out. Flamingo watch. Oh yeah, that does drag out. Yeah. So it it just I I thought when I listened to it this morning, I was like, “Oh, okay. No, sounds good. That’s fine. I can just put it down. We’re good.” Yeah, it’s all good. So March 1, 2026, that’s the last day a player can sign a qualifying offer. So if we’re talking hard deadlines, that’s it. Like league rule, March one. Yep. So, and I think what what you said about this could just turn on a dime at any point and when we get when we get I don’t think there’s going to be another round of hey, the Kings have now offered this and the Warriors are are heming and hawing or the Warriors have rebuffed this offer and oh, now the Heat are involved. I don’t think we’re going to get another round of that. I think everything that that’s out there is going to be out there. We might we might get a the Warriors have upped their offer to Kaminga to three years and 68 million with no no trade clause and a player option in the third year or something. I I don’t know. There’s something to try and get that done. If that’s really what they want to do, if that’s how they want this to end, they’re it’s clear the Warriors are gonna have to move some. I think that that we might get that reporting coming out. Yeah. But I do think if the Kings make this trade for Jonathan Kaminga, I do think it’s going to be one of those things where hopefully we’re sitting here. Hopefully DLo and Casey are sitting here. Ideally, it would happen during during the handoff and we’re just going to get Sham’s tweet that like, oh, this deal’s done. Kaminga’s signing three and for 63 with a player option with the Kings. Yep. And the Warriors are getting back X, Y, and Z. No, I I think that like it’s it’s very possible that it’s something just materializes out of nowhere. But again, I’m not holding my breath. We’re not going to make bold predictions. Uh we’re just going to sit back and and wait and see when it happens. There’s still going to be plenty of information that comes out uh between now and and whenever this deal gets done. I just don’t think that there’s a possibility that the Warriors, you know, change their price uh as far as what they’re offering Kaminga like. And for that matter, I don’t think Jonathan Kaminga wants the Warriors to change their price. Like, I don’t think he doesn’t want to be there. Correct. And so, that’s the other aspect of this. Like, I think he’s perfectly fine with, you know, like if it were a two-year deal that that he could be traded with, like he might be willing to do that. Yeah. Um, but he he doesn’t want to be there either. He wants a new opportunity, and that’s that’s understandable. I think everybody everybody’s kind of looking at this as like hey we would all like to have some sort of different opportunity whether it’s the warriors the the kaminga side or the king side and you know whether you can figure that out or not I I don’t know I don’t either you’re just not going to get true value for him. Yeah. And I don’t just just on the the news standpoint, like I said, I don’t think we’re going to get another round of, oh, the Kings have now offered this and the Warriors are considering it or the Kings are now the Warriors are now offering this and Kaminga’s considering it. Like, I don’t I I just think it’s it’s what you’re it’s what you’re saying at some point. Yeah. Something’s going to happen behind the scenes and this is just going to get done. Yeah. I I’m looking like in the in the chat, too. Uh, Lotus Prime says Kaminga isn’t getting paid until he signs his qualifying offer. Uh, right. No. Like the the qualifying offer is the end all beall. Like if if he signs a qualifying offer, negotiation’s over. He’s playing for the qualifying offer. Like that’s it. It’s it’s a done deal. Yep. It’s like there’s something else in the league that’s like this. It’s like, oh, it’s like when you sign a an offer sheet with a team Mhm. they can no long you can no longer go back to the team that he currently plays for and work out a trade. Once the offer sheet is signed, it’s over and done with. You either match the offer sheet or you decline the offer sheet and let the the player go. Yeah. And Yeah. So, it’s one of those hard like deadline things. I’m so interested to see how all this stuff plays out with all the restrictive free agents. Yeah. just from a Cam Thomas and Josh Giddy and Quinton Grimes. Yeah. I think they all fall into the same bucket of player as Kamingo where we like the upside, but there’s this flaw. Yeah. And I’m pro player when it comes to when it comes to salary. Go get whatever money you can. Totally. Um but at the same time, like you feel bad for these guys like they’re they really are being held hostage by restricted free agency. Yep. All right. That’s James. I’m Kyle. Joe Brazil on the ones and twos. We have Raiders football tomorrow at 6:30 p.m. right here on ESPN 13:20. We’ll dive into training camps, preseason. We’ll talk about this this question that we’ve been kicking around forever. That’s who’s on the Kings, Mount Rushmore. We’ll dive we’ll dive into that as the Kings offseason rolls along here, plus some other news and notes you need to know from around the sports world over the next two hours. That’s James Ham. I’m Kyle Madson, Joe Brazil, uh, Insiders, Jiffy Lube, 1320. Back in a minute. Oh, that batter that had aura is a lefty pitcher. Oh, yep. There you go. Oh, in South Carolina. Two on, down four nothing, one out. This kid looks like he hits tanks. Yeah. I kind of want to know what like his favorite actor is or whatever. His favorite actor is definitely someone like Chris Pratt. Um, yeah. Or Ryan Reynolds. Oh, that’s a base hit. That’s a base hit. No, you got to hold him there. You got to hold him there. Good. No, that’s good. He would have been host. Uh, let’s see. Oh, man. This would be devastating for for Florida. Um, players have they can uh they have options for paychecks. They can do like once a month, once a once every like three months, like there are options. Uh, someone else asked another Oh, Brian, the limited no trade clause. It doesn’t really matter. It It’s not about where they can send him. It’s that he he loses his bird rights as soon as he’s sent he’s traded. That’s the problem. So, if he does not sign a two-year deals guaranteed, he gets he loses his bird rights on on the backside and that’s not so if he gets traded to another team um they have to pick up his option year or like if he opts out or whatever like he loses Birdright. So, the next team can’t sign him to a longer term deal either. Yeah. Um, what percent of Fox is I I think most player contracts are like 3%. It might be more, but it’s a really good spot. I got a one-two pitch. Oh no, kid. That was tough. Poor person. Now back to the Insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson, brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. Our boys from South Carolina hanging on by the skin of their teeth. They’re still down four nothing, but they got the bases jacked with two outs in the bottom of the six, which I think is the last inning. Yeah. Is it six in game or a seven inning game? Pretty sure it’s six. Okay. Judging by how the fans were, I think I think this is this is the last inning. Rooting hard for our kids from South Carolina. Man, this kid the plate little dude. Oh, this is the shortstop. Oh, yeah. Need him to need him to come through. That’s the other thing. That’s the other thing. Food is a hamburger. Yeah. Salute. Hey, shout out. If you’re 12 years old and your favorite food is anything other than like hamburgers or pizza. Yeah, I got a question. That’s true. Uh the the other thing that’s that’s jarring about the Little League World Series, and this has nothing to do with with what I like and don’t like about it. It’s just kind of a crazy thing. Got a good hack. Big hack. The the crazy thing for me is how many 12 year olds there are that are like six feet tall and 210 pounds. Yeah. Some of these 12-y olds once you get to the actual Little League World Series are just massive. Yeah. Like when I think 12 years old, I think look at that kid. That kid could start at second base for the Ace tonight. He could shave. Like it’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. Yeah. But then there’s this kid in the box very dimminitive, very small. It’s like, okay, that’s what I imagine a 12-year-old. Yeah. When I was a freshman in high school, I was 5 foot tall and weighed 95 pounds, right? Like that’s a I was tiny, right? Yeah, that’s that’s that right. That’s that’s smaller. But but like these kids that are Yeah. This kid’s 6’4. Like I’m sorry, what? He’s out there throwing gas. Yeah. Yeah. He’s eight inches from home plate by the time he releases the baseball. Well, I think like if you play little league, there’s always that kid that, you know, not only is like super tall and weight. Yeah. Like for us it was uh Jason Whis like six. That sounds like a that sounds like a hos. Yeah, that’s a that’s a big boy name. I think he was in the uh starting rotation for OU like college World Series like like Yeah, he went on to like Oh yeah. But he didn’t continue after that. Sure. And then I think now he’s an attorney. But um you know when you’re in little league and everyone talks about him and like oh the guy throws 90 like wait what throwing gas. We had a We had a guy in our little league that was like that. His name was Logan Webb. It was that was the guy. That’s awesome. Uh turned out okay for him. Yeah, absolutely. Good little good little ball player. Whoa. So the when when I played travel ball, it was so funny. We would always play teams that I swear we were the only normalsized team. We didn’t have anybody that was Yeah. Yeah. And then we’d go play these teams that that the pitcher 6’1 and the first baseman’s 6’5 and it’s like we are 14 years old. What are you all doing? It’s in the water where you’re from. Hey, we played uh I think it was Mary’sville in soccer this year. Their center back is 68. Yeah. Like in soccer. In soccer, brother. Pick up a basketball. What are we doing? It’s lasers from midfield. Acroshar is hiring, dude. What are we doing? He is clearly gonna be part of their team. This kid is working this count, man. He is battling. Oh, hey, this is a great This is a Man. Yeah, we’ll keep you updated on Florida v South Carolina and the Southeast Region Championship in the Little League World Series trying to punch their ticket to Omaha. That’s right. Somebody asked earlier what the uh the standard agent commission is and for my reading in the NBA. Yeah, in the NBA, not for the Little League World. 4%. Okay. Yeah. For for the NBA. So, like the question was how much of De’Aran Fox’s money is going out the door. Oh, he took the walk. And did you see the pitcher’s reaction? That was not a strike. That pitcher’s going to start crying now because the ump called a ball on a pitch that was at the kid’s shins and a foot and a half outside. Watch this. This is not close. This is not Oh, okay. That’s not a reput. Oh, that’s the 6’1 kid and he’s just hitting nukes. Of course he is. Oh, and now he’s I think he’s on his way to the plate. Oh, man. No. Really? Oh, I thought he was Did they not have an on deck circle? Because he was definitely in the in the dugout. Oh, he’s at the plate now. Oh, look. He’s so much taller than the dad. Enormous. He is way taller than the dad. My god. Does he got Why does he have veins in his forearms? He’s 12. His coach is like, “What is happening?” Goodness me. The Empire. Goodness me. Uhoh. This is what they were worried about. Oh, this is incredible. This is high drama in the Little League World Series. Hat tip to the shortstop who was able to work a walk to get to their superstar with two outs and bases loaded. Oh, they’re they’re intentionally walking a run in. Oh my gosh. To make it 4-2 with the they’re putting the tying run in scoring position. Wait, this is turning into a really good game. What are we doing here? This is really interesting. I hit walking Barry Bonds with the bases loaded because like Hey, man. But come on. But the kid is taller than than everybody. You’re going to put the tying run on second. Oh, I’m rooting so hard for number 18. Yeah. So much pressure. Yeah, I’m rooting so hard for this kid. We’ll let you know how that bat turns out. That’s right. ESPN and the Red Zone channel. So ESPN, if you missed it, is buying NFL Network. They’re acquiring the rights to NFL Network and all of NFL Network’s various properties. And they’re also picking up the lease on the NFL Network office, which is right across the street from Loi, uh, excuse me, Sofi Stadium. Uhhuh. Are you concerned that ESPN is going to do something other than stream the Red Zone channel? I’m absolutely concerned that they’re going to ruin Red Zone somehow. How so? Because it it would it would appear to me that the right move is to say, “We’ve acquired this property, Scott Hansen. you’re going to go cook on whatever app ESPN is trying to launch. Well, that’s going to be the problem. Like, I I want Red Zone to be accessible and it really should not be an additional $30 because if you’re buying the NFL package, it should go with the NFL package, but I don’t know that that’s going to be the case. So, um, and let’s be honest, like streaming platforms were not created equal. Like, half of them are horrible. half of them, you know, like get lost in the weeds all the time. So, I’m just I’m a little leerary on it being like an individual product. Now, if it’s if it’s part of my cable package and it’s on one of their channels on Sunday from for 9 hours, eight hours straight, whatever, six hours straight, then I’m fine. Uh-oh. Oh my god. He got it. Oh my god. He got it. He got it. Oh, no way. Clear the bases. You got to send them. You got to send them. That’s ball game. What? No way. A threerun double. No way. Wins it. Oh my goodness. Oh, that was incredible. That Oh my goodness. I love the Little League World Series. So, if you missed it, Florida up four nothing going into the bottom of the last inning. They load the bases. Pitcher walks in a run to make it 4-1 with two outs. Yep. Then they intentionally walk the South Carolina big bopper, the gigantic kid. The gigantic kid who hit one over a hill in an earlier round and said, “We’re going to walk this kid to make it four to two with two outs and the bases loaded and we’re going to bring up number 18, who’s just a run-of-the-mill 12-year-old, straight off the factory line 12-year-old who probably plays a lot of Roblox.” 5’3, 5’4. Skippy toilet fan for sure. and he pumps a double off the left field wall, clears the bases. South Carolina wins it 5-4 with five in the bottom of the sixth. That was incredible. Wow. I’m so glad we all shared that together. There it is. Oh man. All right, red zone. Back at it. We’re the insiders sponsored by Jiffy Loop. James Ham there. I’m K Matson. Joe Brazil is over there. It is August 6th, which makes it day 31 of Kaminga Watch. And on the Jonathan front, nothing is happening. So ESPN and Red Zone. So from what I understand, NFL Network had its own version of Red Zone that was hosted by Andrew Siciliano. Then there’s the Red Zone that comes with your YouTube TV subscription. Yeah. When you What is it? Sunday Ticket. Yes. When you get Sunday Ticket, you get the Scott Hansen version of Red Zone is what I That might be reversed, but I’m pretty sure that’s right. Yeah. Yeah. Scott Hansen. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the So, there’s the Anderson version. Yep. And there’s a Scott Hansen version. I don’t think that the Scott Hansen version will be messed with at all. I hope not. I I don’t know. Unless I I because that’s what I thought the NFL’s property. So, I’m really hoping they don’t mess with that at all. And I hope they don’t hide it. And I hope that it’s not like a an additional fee to watch that. Sure. So, that’s the problem. Also, NFL will continue to own and operate the channel. ESPN will distribute it to pay TV operators and have rights to the Red Zone brand. Yeah, we’ll see. Roger Goodell stated that the core product of NFL Red Zone will not change and Scott Hansen will remain the host. It’s just that So your your concern though is more accessibility. Yeah. Yeah. Like I love sitting there watching Red Zone Channel with the volume up and then the secondary game with the volume off on two TVs. But we know we know how this goes though. There’s there’s almost no chance that the NFL or excuse me that ESPN isn’t because they’re trying to launch a an everything app, right? Yep. That’s why you’ll notice ESPN Plus, where you used to have to pay to read articles on ESPN, is gone. Because they’re trying to loop everything into this into this app version of ESPN Plus. Okay. And I would be stunned if they don’t take Red Zone and put it exclusively there. Yeah. And then force you to pay 30 bucks a month for it. Yeah. They might they they there might be a carve out for Sunday Ticket where if you have Sunday Ticket, you you you also get it. Yeah. Sunday Ticket plus Red Zone. Yeah. But my my worry is exactly that. Like ESPN views this because there’s a lot of people like you. Yep. There’s a lot of people that go, “This is how I consume football. This is not a secondary thing like, oh yeah, I I have it on sometimes.” No, this is how people watch the sport because there’s a lot of people who are tapped in. There’s people with favorite teams and they’re going to watch their favorite teams game, but there’s people who tap in because of fantasy football. There’s people who tap in because of betting and they just want to know who’s scoring the touchdowns. What are the big plays and so they’re going to watch this and there are so many people where you say you’re worried that ESPN is going to charge people x amount of dollars per month to access this thing that just had has red zone on it. Yep. And they know that there’s a lot of people that will pay for it just for red zone. They may not care about any of the other content that comes with it, but hey, you know what? During football season, I need my red zone fixed. Yeah. I I think it’s interesting, too, because ESPN has had this product forever. Mhm. Like this isn’t new. They’re going to relaunch a their app-based system again, right? But they’ve had it forever because like watching European Soccer, I they’re on occasion a game is on ESPN Plus and I’ve got to go find it on the app, right? So like I just hope that they’re able to seamlessly tie it in and we’re not stuck here like hoping it like number one trying to find it. Number two, like it’s not part of your your basic like whatever television platform you’re using. Yeah. So, yeah. And and pro pro tip out there for for people who have children, uh you can get the NFL package for substantially substantially less if you use your uh your students uh email. You can get it. Student discount. Yeah, student discount. But like I think it’s 119 bucks a year for NFL package. So substantial discount which uh most uh platforms actually have a student discount so people know. Does that even that’s college students though, right? It’s or does your does your youngest who’s in high school you can just throw in a Gmail? No. And they verify it has to be school like aedu. Yeah, it’s got to be aedu. But I had a I had a high school email. I had like Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, it wasn’t agmail.com. It was like a joseph. Brazrail at yada yada. Yeah. You don’t want people to know where you went to high school. Uh, you know, fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. I I I’m the the reason the way I got Red Zone is through Fubo TV. Oh, yeah. because we have a we have a deal with Guanette which owns USA Today which owns the NFL wire sites that I write for and so we get Fubo TV and since there’s there’s people on this across all sports at at Ganette they just throw all the sports packages on our on our Fubo subscription. So I get red zone through that. I have no idea if that’s going to be impacted here. Okay. But it’s going to be devastating cuz I’ve gotten so used to that. Oh yeah. I wake up. I know you’ve got your routine. You’re up early because you’re watching soccer. Yeah, we watch soccer before, right? We’ll get a game in before. I don’t do that. I’m out on 6 a.m. But I’ll get up little coffee run in the morning. Maybe a pastry depending depending on the day. Get home. I turn on a pregame show, the NFL pregame, whether it’s Fox, ESPN, whatever, just for the sound of it. I don’t really care what any of those people has to say. Yeah, I’ve it’s Jay Glazer does some good news breaking on there sometimes in terms of injury stuff, but I don’t at this point care what Jimmy Johnson’s got to say about the Bengals. I don’t either. I I it just cool. It’s nice, but those guys are are are legends and the the music and the sounds and just Terry Bradshaw yapping is just an essential part of my Sunday. I agree. I’ll give give a damn what he’s saying. But hearing Terry Bradshaw yap while I drink my coffee and I get prepped for for work stuff or I’m ju just doing stuff around the house is like Yes. Like this is this is this is healing my soul right now. Yep. And then I flip over and I turn on Red Zone when when kickoff starts. Yeah. It’s such a great little routine. And if I don’t have that anymore, I’m going to be heartbroken. And I’m probably don’t tell ESPN, but I’m probably willing to pay for it. Yep. I I definitely like it’s such a huge part of the football watching experience now, especially if you play fantasy football and I I really don’t want to watch um like Jags and I don’t know, Titans. Jags Titans. Uh but I have to because Kyle decided to draft a really stupid player that we did. No, no, I didn’t decide to draft that player. That’s not what happened. James and I ran a fantasy team together last year and we decided for the draft we were going to alternate picks and so it was my turn to pick and I was trying to do some some quick research because there are different rankings out there and the rankings that I look at are different than the Yahoo rankings. So I was going through and trying to find where’s their value here. There’s got to be value in this spot. And I just ran out of time and Christian Kirk was just the next player up and so he got autodrafted to our team right as I was trying to draft. Was it Romeo Dobs? Oh yeah, I think it was. Or or it was one of the Packers receivers. No, it was uh Jaden Reed. Yeah. Right as I was trying to pick Jaden Reed, it autodrafted Christian Kirk. I did not decide to draft Christian Kirk’s. Well, one way or another, I had to watch Red Zone hoping to see God Christian Kirk. Do you know how much it sucked rooting for the Doug Peterson, Trevor Lawrence Jags last year and then the M. Jones Jags? Like, oh my god. And we were like pot committed. We had all kinds of Jags players. Did we? Yeah. We had the other We had the rookie. Oh, Brian Thomas. Yeah, that’s right. Cuz at the end of the draft, I was like, we’re just doing it. Yeah. He was good though. Yeah, he was. He was rock solid. If we had had Jaden Reed That would have been a lot better. We would have been better. We would have been better. I’m excited to do that again this year, though. That was That was fun. Yeah. We’re going to do more with First of all, a couple fantasy football related notes for you. Far Sadiki is going to start joining us every Friday at 11:20 a.m. the Friday after the season opener. Okay. So, the season opener, I think, is that is No, I’m sorry, the Friday before. So, it’ll be August I got dates here. August 29th, Farz Sadiki will start joining us every Friday to answer your fantasy football questions. If you’re not familiar with how we do Fantasy Friday, Farz jumps in for a whole segment. He’ll be there for 25 minutes. James and I will kick around the the news with him. You know, if if there’s if if Christian McCaffrey is out, hey, what do how are you how are you is are you playing Isaac this week or or are you playing a different running back you might have on your bench? You know, waiverwire stuff. But then we take your questions. You can hit us up at youtube.com ESPN1320, twitch.tv/ ESPN1320. You can send us a tweet and we will try to get we try to get to everybody’s fantasy football starts and sits, waiverwire pickups, etc. If you would like help though, because maybe you’re going, “Hey, my draft is before August 29th.” We have some good news for you. Faz can still help you. You can go to upperhandfantasy.com. He has his entire draft kit there. extremely valuable. Yep. It is the thing. Anything that he we we he would get to on the radio talking about in the draft, it’s all that and more. Way more in depth. Way more helpful than than he would be answering a question real quick on our on our show. And then do you remember what you could send him on Instagram to get his draft blueprint? I I’ve got it. Uh please give me two seconds. Yeah, because he’s got it’s like if you’re in one league and you just need a real quick like, hey, I want I want a blueprint for a draft. How should I how should I prep? What’s the word? You DM him on Instagram. You literally send him the word blueprint. Blueprint. One word. And then he sends you uh like a response and then you ask for him to send it over and then he sends you a link. Great. And a blueprint. Awesome. On how to run your draft. And that’s upperhand fantasy on Instagram. Yeah. I I went through it. It’s really intriguing. Awesome. Like just a structural how do you how do you go about your draft? Awesome. So Farz will start joining us August 29th. If you want his help before then upperand fantasy on Instagram, hit him up, hit blueprint or send him a message. It says blueprint and he’ll send you his blueprint or you can buy his draft kit at upperhandfantasy.com. Salut. Really excited to have him join us every Friday beginning August 29th. Uh, somebody asked me an interesting 49ers question this morning and I did not have a good answer for it and I’m hoping we can decide on that answer together. Okay, that’s James. I’m Kyle. Joe Brazil is there. We’re the insiders sponsored by Jiffy Lube. It’s ESPN 1320, Sacramento Sports there. That was electric. That was spectacular. Unbelievable stuff from our guys at South Carolina. Yeah, big shout out. I don’t even know what the kid’s name is, but that was that was awesome. especially like what a pressure situation and to just you know I guess you gota you can’t play the fence. You should be playing to keep the ball in front of you. Um but you know I think you’re playing he was playing up a little bit trying to not you know concede two runs on a on a single. Mhm. Um and the kid just you know crushed it. Oh, dude. I can’t. I’m gonna be in Hawaii for week five, I think. And I’m so hyped because games start at 7 a.m. Oh, yeah. And games end at like 5:30. Oh, yeah. That’s awesome. Oh, it’s Dude, it’s the best. Sunday Sunday football being over and still being able to like go out and not have to worry about football. Yeah. Is just tremendous. And you’ll be in Hawaii when you’re going, right? And you’re in Hawaii. Oh, bro. Make a play. One. Oh, wow. No, don’t go tag him. He didn’t turn in. Don’t do that. No, he’s get Look how big that kid at first base is. Golly. Yeah. And I mean, that was slung by the shortstop. Look at him time it. Make a play, kid. Take those glasses off. God, take those glasses off. You know, you’re going to have to buy app in order to get red. Yeah, that’s what we’re Yeah, that’s how it’s going to go. I’m so confident in that. And then probably 17 other packages. Well, yeah, you’re gonna maybe you’ll be able to bundle it with uh with Disney Plus and I have no idea. We’ll cross that bridge when we get to You’ll have to buy Hulu Premiere. I’m not going to complain about it until I know what I’m going to complain about. It’s Hulu Premiere. Great. Can’t wait. Can’t wait. I keep changing the name on It’s going to be elite. I I did find I stopped watching Hulu because it got lost in it’s in the Disney Yeah. uh bucket. And then I I just don’t go to their app anymore. And then I was like, “Oh man, I forgot about Hulu.” So I went and found a show and benchwatched it real quick. like, “All right, John Bull does complain about everyone about everything.” That’s why Kyle wants to punch you in the face, John Bull. John Bull, I don’t think we have a uh a character to buy this year for our Halloween front yard stuff. Any Kings player make it on the boat in the lake? No, I’ve never had a Kings player up on a boat on the boats. I did actually have a visitor yesterday. If you guys have followed me for any length of time, my partner at Cowbell Kingdom was John Santiago for years. Oh, hell yeah. And John Santiago came up last night and hung out and we went for a boat a tour around the lake. Hadn’t seen John in a while. John is a is a nomad. He lives all over the world at all times. um doing remote work. So his latest thing, he’s been in uh Colombia a lot of the last couple years. You ever meet John? I don’t think so. Okay, good dude. Heard a lot about him. Um, Maui. Office bingo is coming. What is this all about? I don’t know. Let’s read it. Oh, interesting. Was that an email or a Gj? Oh, there it is. Okay, I found it. Yeah, exactly. Where the world jumps on. Oh, this is so fun. Now back to the insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. James there. I’m Kyle. Joe Brazil behind the glass. We’re hanging out with you until noon. Hey, would it be would it be out of pocket if I took it upon myself to clean out the office fridge? Okay. So, I it’s really funny you say that because we were supposed to do it yesterday. Okay. Um, but when we clean out the fridge, get this right. Crazy idea. People get mad at us cuz it’s normally Jackie and I clean the fridge out once a month. It’s disgusting in there. You guys deserve medals for going in there. We do it once a month, dude. I go I go I bring my lunch from home. Not to brag. I bring my lunch a lot. And and and and I eat yogurt in the morning. James and I single-handedly keeping the yogurt industry afloat in in the US. We are just crushing Greek yogurt every morning. So, hey, remind me to talk to the John’s about this. Okay, that’s true. So, so I go in the fridge every morning to put my lunch in there, to get the yogurt out, to put the yogurt back. Uhhuh. It is the same. It’s It’s like a maze trying to find a place to put your stuff. Not because we have so many people bringing lunch and it’s like, “Oh my god, where do I put all my things?” That red that giant red Tupperware from when Acer the tall people brought us cupcakes dude has been in there for like two months. Oh no. So I am going to take it. It’s like what where’s the cut off where I can just grab that and toss it? Feel please feel free. Um, but yeah, we normally clean it out about once a month and we were going to do it yesterday, but we forgot to give everyone a full week’s warning before we do it because in the past when we’ve decided, you know what, it’s disgusting in here and we clean stuff out. Some people get a little upset at that, which I had a very strange thing here. So, we do have to we have it scheduled for Friday. I am cleaning the fridge out on Friday. It’s on my calendar. But you need is it on everybody’s calendar? Like set that as a as a I will I will do it if you want. That’d be awesome. We’re We do a Google chat normally kind of like we just got. No, I would that’s fine. I would set it for like the second or third Friday of every month. Yeah. And just Hey, man. Here’s this. We’re doing this. Yeah. If you don’t want stuff tossed, get it out. Label it. Take it out. Like Yeah. Label it. Yeah. So, I had a day where it was a Friday and I was like, “Hey, I’m going to run the dishwasher over the weekend and when we get back.” So, I wandered around the office and grabbed all the the cups on everyone’s desk. So, I’m like, “Look, the thing’s almost full, but I might as well just go around and do a cleanup.” I only took Odyssey stuff, not other stuff. So, we have Odyssey like pint glasses and then mugs. So, I just grabbed all that stuff. I, you know, clean up, put it in there. Someone freaked out because I took the empty Odyssey water glass off of their desk. Like, who stole my glass? It’s like, it was empty. It was sitting on your desk. It’s a dirty dish. You’re not supposed to have dishes at your desk anyways. And uh yeah, somebody freaked out and got all upset that I took their water glass that of course they hadn’t been there for 4 days. Yeah, that’s ridiculous. I could see like if you’re a little bit of a germaphobe where you’re like, you know what, this is the glass that I have claimed. I use this. I wash it. I trust myself. I don’t want anyone else touching my stuff. Fine. But then convey that to the person. Be like, “Hey, you know what? I appreciate you, but next time this is kind of my deal. I’m I’m kind of a Just do it like that. Don’t be mad that somebody took a dirty dish off your desk.” Well, and also if you’re gonna claim something like that, have it just be your own item, not a Odyssey branded glass that it’s you just go grab out of the cupboard. Thousand%. I have my own I have my own coffee mugs. I give them my Yeah. Yeah. Like you got a hydro flask. Like that’s all you% Yeah. The other stuff. I’m just going to start taking it upon myself that when somebody’s rotted ass pear is just sitting in the in the fridge and I’ve got to maneuver around it to put my stuff down. It’s going in the trash, dude. I the stuff I see in that fridge. Oh my god, it’s so disgusting. It gets really gross. It’s like It’s You’re ruining Tupperware. Oh, we Whatever’s in there is just hanging. I throw Tupperware away because because it’s destroyed. Yeah. And it’s like you see it every day. I know that that veil picata or whatever it is has been in there since May. Oh, like I know for a fact no one’s eaten that. And do you know what the person who that belongs to is going to do if they realize, oh, my ve picata is in there from May. They’re going to grab it and they’re going to go ew. And they’re going to toss it or they won’t they’ll just leave it cuz they don’t want to disgusting them. It’s so gross. Yeah. There’s not a lot of poison more disgusting than a work fridge that doesn’t get cleaned out. It’s like that episode of South Park where Kyle’s a hoarder. All the stuff in his locker and he’s like, “This is a moldy sandwich with maggots on it. They’re coming out and biting my hand, Kyle.” He’s like, “Well, I got to keep that. It’s disgusting. I’m just going to do it. Just going to start throwing stuff away.” All right. I’m the culture coder this month. I can do whatever I want. Oh, yeah. Not to brag. Not to brag. Really? Do you Are you going to have the thing running on the Oh, you bet your You bet your Okay. your your bottom dollar. There you go. So, wait, what are you? It’s our version of employee of the month. Oh, I didn’t know that. It’s a culture coder. It’s a person. I don’t know if I’m supposed to be making this public, but I don’t think you were. Uh oh. Well, people have said it to me like out loud in the I already knew because I saw a graphic being made. I’m Oh, okay. Well, hey, that’s a thing. But yeah, so congratulations. Thank you, man. Of course. Yeah. And it’s it’s the person that that codes, you know, quote unquote codes writes the the office culture. Oh, what we wanted to be. Okay. Your first order of business is going to be just cleaning out the fridge. That is awesome. I cannot wait. It’s a great way to start. I Oh, I’m going to get hyperfixated on that one day and it’s just going to be curtain Friday, dude. We’re cleaning it Friday. I’m going to pull the shelves out. I’m going to Clorox wipe everything. Oh, I’ve done that. It’s going to be a whole It’s going to be a whole deal. Yeah, absolutely. Anyways, we need to do the employee of the month for you guys like on the wall in here. Yeah, I’m going to demand it as the culture coder. Yeah, people like that doesn’t give you any power. What do you think this is? Hey, you feel old today. Why? Um, you told me you feel old. Yeah, David Robinson turned 60. Like, what? Can I keep it a stack? This is probably going to make you upset in some way. Okay. If you would asked me off the rip, hey, how old is David Robinson? I’d have been like 71. No. Yeah. I mean, like his hoops card, you don’t like his Hoops rookie card like 88, 89. Like it just it’s he doesn’t look old at all. And to hear that he’s 60 is like oh wow. like I can’t believe like first of all he’s been out of the league for like probably 20 years 20 something years but uh yeah just like shocking because he’s never looked old and it’s like oh man that’s when you’re you know you start you start looking at your heroes in a different way. I kind of think I kind of think David Robinson might be the most underrated player in NBA history. You think so? Some of his numbers are just outrageous. We won a scoring title the one year, but he scored 70 on the last day of the season to beat Cha. I I know. But even Okay. If he didn’t, if it was 29.7 points a game. Yeah. Rookie of the year, sixth in MVP voting, third team AllNBA, all-star, second team all defense in his first year in the NBA. And then he goes third in MVP voting, third in MVP voting, sixth, second, first, second. DPLY voting. He was second, first, second, second, fourth, fourth. He was an all-star all those years. NBA, all NBA, third, first, first, third, second, first, first. All defense. Second, first, first, second, second, first, first. Oh, yeah. Like he’s putting up, what did he put up that year? 29.8 points, 10.7 boards, 4.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 3.3 blocks. Oh my god. But he’s lost in an era. This is the greatest center era. Unbelievable. In the sport. Yeah. Like I mean David Robinson is probably in that era the third best center, maybe fourth. Yeah. Hakee Shaq. Hakee Shaq. Um Patrick Euing. Oh god. Uh Dambe Matumbbo. Dbe Matumbbo is probably the eighth best center in that uh era. Like there were so many good centers. Like every team, well any legit team had a great center. Uh but yeah, Alonzo Morning and man, there were so many good centers. Wow. Yeah. 2002 2003 was his last year in the NBA. He was 37 years old that year, which is how old Steph Curry is right now. Oh man. Oh god. Man, I’m struggling with this. I’m struggling with this and it’s just because guys who aren’t even older than me, but players who I remember them entering the draft and I remember doing draft content about them in college and they’re now retiring and had long careers. Oh yeah, I remember that guy getting drafted. He’s Von Miller. I did a we did multiple shows at at at SAK State student radio station about Von Miller and how man they he falls to the 49ers. Oh man, this guy’s a stud. D talk about that all the time. Von Miller is old as hell now and signing on with with the Bills and the Commanders trying to trying to win a ring at the end of his career. Yeah. Like I’ve been around for just Von Miller’s whole career. Yeah, it’s it is wild when you’re there. Like again, Demarcus Cousins came into the league the first year I was covering the Kings. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. And now he’s been out of the league for how many years? Like three years. Um but to watch players come and go and their careers kind of span. Yeah. It’s wild, man. Time, am I right? Yeah. All right, that’s James. I’m Kyle. Speaking of time, we got to step aside for a quick moment and then we come back, we’ll answer this 49ers question that I got asked today that I don’t know the answer to. And it might be it’s either a huge flaw for San Francisco or a huge strength and we’ll figure out which one it is. That’s James. I’m Kyle. He’s Joe. The insider sponsored by Jify Lube. It’s ESPN 1320 Sacramento Sports. You’re clear. I’m just going through like the centers from that. Like Rick Rick Schmidz, oh, was like not even a top 10 center. Maybe maybe back into the top 10. Um, man, Golden State didn’t have a center. Seattle, they just wasted their money with guys like Jim Mane. Um, you know, Vlad makes a haul but not a top 10 center. Sabonis plays in that era. Mark Eaton blocking shots everywhere. Hakee was so good. Sean Bradley. Look at that. Sean Bradley. Space Jam legend Sean Bradley got in a bicycle accident is paralyzed. Mark Eaton got in a bike accident and passed away. Yeah. Oh, this is the remote. Do you have a charger that I can plug this remote into so I can use it for a moment? As the culture coder in this building, I pledge to get a remote that works in studio 2. Thank you, Joe. Thank you. Yeah, there you go. Let’s see. So that’s the culture code. Like that doesn’t mean anything. You don’t get special privileges for this. Yeah, John Bull, you’re right. Morbid sense of I don’t want to say not even sense of humor, just morbid. Very macob. I Yeah, because I think I’ve covered two players that have passed away at least. Hour number two. That’s James Ham. I’m com Brazil and the ones and twos were the insiders. And we are sponsored by Jiffy Lube. Hanging out with you until noon. Noonish. bring it out with you until a little bit after noon because DLO and KC, they come in for the handoff around 11:45 and that usually takes us past the noon o’clock hour. Yeah. So, we’re hanging out with you until some sometime after noon. Hell yeah. I got asked today, not randomly. I don’t want to This is not I want to make this very clear. I’m not doing the radio thing where I want to talk about a thing. So, I pretend that somebody asked me about it. Okay. I got asked in our Slack group chat as part of a group, hey, what is your team’s biggest need? A true inquiry, an actual inquiry. I’m not making this up so I can talk about this, which I’m not above doing or putting it in tears. I have So, so it’s the end of the mind. What do you want from me? So, I got I got this Slack message and said, “Hey, what everybody? What’s your team’s biggest need right now?” And usually with stuff like that, pre-draft, for example, yep, the 49ers that have been defensive end number one, right? It’s top of the list. No question. If you want to quibble and say defensive tackle, offensive tackle, fine. But but for me, it’s defensive end. And then and then the the stuff behind it. I don’t know what the 49ers biggest need is right now. And I think it’s a bad thing. It’s not, wow, hey, they their biggest need is third linebacker because, man, they’re just so loaded. I I wrote wide receiver. That would be my first thing that pops into my head. They just can’t keep anyone healthy. Yeah. Which is which is a huge problem. So, I that that was the direction I went and I think it’s the right answer. I think so, too. But after that, I started like, okay, they could use offensive linemen. Uh yeah, they they could they could definitely use some because I I went through and I I wrote out a 53man roster projection after their their first week of practice and just tried to kind of get a lay of the land of where things kind of sit with the 49ers. Mhm. And man, you go down the receiving core, it’s like, o, and then you go down the offensive line, it’s like, o, and then you go down the defensive line, and you can make an argument the defensive line is is still a huge need for them, but they filled it out with draft picks that that they’re going to let kind of play things out. So, I left that one off. But then, like, you get to linebacker, and I don’t want to get too far into the weeds, but it is Fred Warner, and then I don’t know, D. Winter’s having a nice OTAAS. He’s had a nice training camp, but can he play in an NFL game? Couldn’t last year. Was not an effective player last year, but it looks like he’s going to start this year. So, maybe it’s that. I think there are so many question marks that I don’t know. You and I are on a consensus that it’s wide receiver though. Like, we’re both in that in that camp that if they could add one just they get to add one really good player at any position. Oh, it would definitely be for me it would be wide receiver. Although because of the injuries. Yeah. Well, because of the injuries because Aayuk I don’t know when Aayuk is going to be functional. Um Jawan Jennings has a calf injury and like realistically is like a a glorified like super number three wide receiver turn number two, turn number one. Um I’m not sure about Pierall at all and his ability to stay healthy. Uh you know, they’ve got other young guys that they’ve draft. They’ve got they keep like signing randos uh off, you know, the street to to play. Like it just feels like that’s the position where they’re the room is just not it doesn’t have the top tier talent that it it once had. At least not right now. Well, and you I I think this is kind of what what you were alluding to here, but even if they were fully healthy Yep. Even if if Brandon Aayuk was out there and Ricky Pearl was out there and Jawan Jennings was out there, I think you could still make an argument could use some depth there. And and I I I I say fully healthy. I’m not going to take Brandon I’s knee injury away, but even if Brandon Aayuk was working his way back, Uhhuh. I think you’d still look and go, man, they could they could probably use another receiver. I think even more than an offensive lineman. Yeah, I think so. I mean, if we’re talking about like future, what is it that you need for the future? Oh, man. I’m pointing at the offensive line. I don’t I think going into this I think going into this draft that’s going to be, barring a disaster at any other position. I think it’s going to be really clear going into this draft, the 49ers need to address our offensive line. Mhm. Maybe it’s center with Jake Brendle. Maybe it’s offensive tackle depending on how how Colton McKivvitz is is playing. Although he improved last year and there’s all these stories coming out now about how he wants to be a pro bowler and he works so hard to get him better in the best shape of his life and all that best shape of his live season. So, I’m not I’m not ready to to crown him just yet as their as their future uh starting right tackle for the next decade. But I I in finding some optimism, Ricky Pearl has been outstanding in camp since he got there every single day. It’s Ricky Piol caught all five of his targets today. Ricky Pearl was open all day on on deep crossing routes. And it seems that the routes he’s most effective at, and this is according to ESPN’s Nick Wagner, taking from from his notes yesterday because I was not there. I was here. Yep. It sounds like Ricky Pearl, you remember those intermediate crossing routes? Yep. That Brock Perie just tore up in 2023. The IU route. Yes. That that deep crosser where you’re going, he makes the catch and has a bunch of room to run after and you’re going, “How do you not how’s he open?” 20 to 30 yard chunks. Yep. And it opens a space every time. Yep. It seems that that’s his go-to route and it’s the one that Brock Perie is is really good at throwing. Mhm. So those out routes, but those those overthe-middle intermediate to deep crossers are are Brock’s bag. And it it appears it’s also Ricky Piol’s bag. So I am getting more and more optimistic about Ricky Pawol by the day because I did have questions like a can he stay healthy. You’re right. That’s that’s priority number one. Yep. But then priority number two is is he good? He flashed last year, but he had four games out of 11 where he was good, and then there were like seven games where he was non-existent. Yeah. So, I’m leaning more away from the is he good thing because I think he is. I think he can play, but I continue to have very very serious questions about is he going to be able to stay on the field? Well, that’s always gonna be the problem, you know, and and I think, you know, durability, availability is, you know, one of the best abilities there are. And, you know, for a player like him who has like it’s been hit and miss. I mean, he’s missed so much of camp his first two years. And you’re just waiting for him to actually like have those those that stretch where it’s like, hey, man, I only need to play 15 16 games this season. Well, it’s about consistency, right? Yeah. And and performing consistently. and he has in camp and that’s all we’ve got right now. So, it’s it’s the health thing that you’re not going to be able to prove it until you do it. Yeah. You can’t you can’t go, “Wow, he had a great training camp. He is going to stay healthy.” You don’t know. Well, I I think the Niners did do like a lot of really good work. I mean, like addressing the defensive line, not only by getting like a budget deal done to bring in what, Huff, right? But also their their three uh their top three picks, right? Not their top three, but three of their first five or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. But addressing that position like, okay, you understood the sense of urgency. I just don’t understand how they don’t understand the sense of urgency on the offensive line. To me, that’s been the one. It’s like, okay, if Mikovitz is going to have like the greatest season of his career, that’s fine. But you’re you’re the center position, the guard position, you’re still looking at guys. They they found one guard last year that, you know, looks like a stud in uh Pun, right? Yeah. So, you’ve got that, but you don’t even have a long-term replacement for 36-year-old Trent Williams. Yeah. So, yeah, it could get a little dicey there at that position really quick. Yeah. I think if it looks like Michael Williams can really play their first round pick. Yeah. Drawing rave reviews. Okay, that’s good news. Alfred Collins is enormous and still trying to to learn how to play in a league where he can’t just move people because the other people are also going to be big and strong. Yeah. So, he’s he’s still learning how to play, but it sounds like CJ West, one of their other defensive linemen, can can really go. And then the other one is is their third round pick, Upton Stout, who they took with their the hundth overall pick. Mhm. Go re go find your favorite beat writers practice recap and Upton Stout is doing something good. Yeah. And you’ve got Kyle Shanahan talking about how he just knows how to be a pro. He stepped in day one. He’s showing up early already to watch old film and he’s talking to Kwan Williams who who used to play Nickel in in Robert Salah’s scheme trying to, you know, get the nuances from from a guy who’s played the position. I think if if if Micah Williams can play, if Upton Stout can play, and I’m talking like quality starter, Yeah. Pro Bowl caliber starter, and if Alfred Collins can at least be a rotational guy, and if CJ West is is starting or is a good rotational player, and I then I have a really hard time being like, “Wow, they messed up not going offensive line.” No, I I get that. But you just had you had a lot of picks and it seemed like you could have found a way to sneak in like an upgrade at the center guard position, especially the center position. There were like the top center on the board was there forever. Okay, but that’s it. They love Jake Bindle. They’re big. Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch would tell anybody with ears how good Jake Brendle is. Yeah. So I They know more about football than I do. They do. They So I I Me too. I don’t I don’t see it, but I I get if that’s their process, I get it. I I worry about the process, though. Yeah. Uh did you see this other thing from camp yesterday that George KD said he considered retirement because the NFL banned spelling salts? Yeah, that’s wild. So, check this out if you missed it. Here’s George KD. It was a Fred Warner interview with generic NFL Network guy A, whose name I forget. What is this guy’s name? I don’t know. I don’t know either. He just He’s another Tom Pelisero, Ian Rapaort variant. All of Jesse Palmer. All those guys just kind of look vaguely similar. That’s what this guy looks like. Okay. And then he’s with he’s with David Carr and they’re interviewing Fred Warner. And then George KD crashes the set and broke some news about the NFL banning smelling salts and also said he’s considering retirement because of it. Here you go. As long as we have 85 on the opposite side, we were always going to have a chance. You know what I’m saying? And uh just right just right there. I didn’t even know he was there. I was letting Fred finish. Yeah. Appreciate that. Yeah. Get get out of here, dude. What are you doing? Yeah, this is the linebacker. Worse. That’s a for shot. That’s right. We can pan out. Look at us. Wow. Everybody’s not a bad Everybody’s in now. Um, but yeah, man. I mean, the goal of course is being in Levis’s, uh, you know, beginning of 2026. That’s always the goal. Sure. And George, hello, Frank. How are you? I honestly just came up here to error a grievance. Our team got a memo today that smelling salts and ammonia packets were made illegal in the NFL. Wow. And I’ve been distraught all day. Illegal. He Yeah, he even said he’s not practicing anymore. I considered retirement. So, they got to go ahead and bring that back for George KD. We got to figure out middle ground here, guys. Somebody help me out. Somebody come up with a good idea. It’s on you. Airing of grievances. Yeah, that’s all I had to get out there. I’ll get that off. Is it Is it every before every every drive is a I’m in every drive. In between every play. Yeah. Well, it feels like the energy is still out here though. I mean, definitely. All right, that’s enough. I don’t care anymore. So, the NFL did in fact ban smelling salts. That’s crazy. That’s uh Rhett Lewis. Just Rhett Lewis. That’s it. I knew it was Kleenmid is his last name. It he he actually just shortens it. It’s Rhett Lewis Kleinmid. So Lewis is a middle name. Or is it Lewis hyphen Kleenmid? No, it’s not hyphen. Like he goes by Rhett Lewis, but his real name is Rhett Lewis Clench. So he goes by first name, middle name. Yeah, I think so. I’m going to start doing that. Uh oh. What’s your middle name? Welcome into the insiders here on ESPN 1320 Sacramento Sports Leader. We are sponsored by Jiffy Lube. That’s Joe Brazil behind the glass. That’s James Ham. I’m Kyle Anthony. And we are talking about Fred Warner nearly or no, excuse me, George KD nearly retiring. No, he didn’t actually I I doubt he actually considered retirement. But it’s really interesting because Mike Gerafolo from NFL Media posted the memo that was sent out to players. George KD also broke that news. That was not out there until George KD mentioned it. This is I’m I’m just going to read directly from the beginning of this. In 2024, the FDA issued a warning to companies that produce commercially available ammonia inhalants as well as to consumers about the purchase and use of ammonia inhalants regarding the lack of evidence supporting the safety or efficacy of AIS ammonia inhalants marketed for improving mental alertness or boosting energy. The FDA noted potential negative effects from AI ammonia inhalance use. AIs also have the potential to mask certain neurological signs and symptoms, including some potential signs of concussion. As a result, the NFL head, neck, and spine committee recommended prohibiting the use of AIS for any purpose during play in the NFL. So, the NFL has now banned ammonia inhalants, smelling salts, etc. Interesting. Well, I mean, I think here in Sacramento, we all have seen Doug Christie Oh, just ripping him on the side. Yeah, he has like a a little jar that he uses uh to like Yeah. like kind of wake him up. Um which is interesting. But I didn’t consider the uh the concussion sit situation. Yeah, that’s really interesting. Yeah, because it does make sense. This is my issue with this. I don’t mind the explanation. They’re ostensibly saying like, “Hey, there’s no noted there’s no proof that there’s actual benefit here.” Yeah. And there is some proof that you can hide concussion symptoms with this. So, we’re going to ban this, which is fine. I like that idea. Mhm. Player safety issue ostensibly. My beef with this is that the NFL is going to do this and then we’re going to get an 18th game. I don’t this this We care so much about the player safety of this faux concern about player safety. Yeah, I appreciate that they’re doing things to try and cut down on concussions and they’re they’re changing the way teams are allowed to practice. They’re trying to change the kickoff rules to to make things safer. Like, I get it. Cool. That’s that’s great. They’re trying to legislate out helmet to helmet hits. That’s all great, but the problem is is that it’s all superficial. The only reason the NFL is doing that is because there was public pressure. But like, hey, guys are getting concussions and CTE and then dying young and taking their own lives because of brain injuries they sustained while playing in the NFL. That’s just bad PR. If the NFL really gave a damn about player safety, we wouldn’t be talking about an 18th game, they wouldn’t even be playing a 17th game. Yeah. But everybody knows it is it is the most open quote unquote secret that at the next CBA 18 games is is not only on the table, but it’s a thing that the owners are going to be like, “Here’s what we’re doing. What do you guys want now?” Yeah. It’s their chip. It’s what they want. It’s and and they’re gonna get it. Yeah. That’s a good point. So, and and I players get paid. Buu bucks. I get like I I I am fully understanding, but I just this this NFL is going to ban smelling salts because hey, you might be able to hide a concussion, but also, hey, go play another game for us, please. Well, I I mean, like, what did we think that they were using the smelling salts for? I mean, literally, that’s what it’s like. If someone gets knocked out, like you you break open the smelling salt, the ammonia in front of their nose, whoa, wakes them up, right? So, yeah, it does make sense that that’s exactly what it’s doing. It’s like and it could mask things for sure. I I definitely think there are players because because KD says in there, we got to we we we got to step aside for a moment. We’ll keep talking about this and the NFL faking the funk on on faking the funk. That is not a thing I say. There you go. It should be. It got What in the world did he just say? I never said that in my life. That was cool. I liked it. That was a good one. What in the world? Get me out of here. CSBN 1320. We’re sponsored by Jibby. Go get a half a cup of coffee. Okay, good luck. Joe, did you text me? Oh, great. I also sent you guys something. I think it was on Sunday. You should check it out in the in the group chat. It was on Saturday. It’s really cool. Sorry, I’ve got a lot of text to scroll through on super popular. Hang on. Well, it’s in the insiders chat, but that was that, you know, you don’t need to check it out if you’re busy or something, you know. Friday. Just go to the insiders chat. It’s right above what I just sent. Oh. Oh. Oh, sorry. I thought you texted me just you and me on that. I didn’t realize that was in the chat. Oh, I have not seen this. Check it out when you get it. It is quite a long watch. Um, and it actually is interactive, but it’s cool, dude. It’s really cool. Sick. We’ll do. I don’t know if anyone in the chat saw the that the Sacramento Kings experience. That’s what I’m referencing. It’s like a YouTube series uh sort of where the dude breaks down everything. He lays the foundation of the Sacramento Kings or just the whole organization and then he puts you in the shoes of making the draft picks to see if you could have done a better job. It’s very interesting. Yeah, Zabbo knows what I’m talking about. And I’m back, dude. Everybody, there’s nothing to talk about with the Giants right now. Really, just not much. We’re playing right now. And Carnosion just hit another home run. So, oh, that’s two and two games since he’s been back, dude. Spoilers. Hey, if you don’t mind, hit the thumbs up for us. What? Spoilers on the Giants game. Never mind. Casey Schmid is a Oh, this No, this was a while ago. Oh, this was like the second inning. Oh, here we go. Candace to Chronicles Hazy IPA is back at Cooper Brewing. Let’s go. Oh, dude. I got to try that. Come on. Yeah, you do. I’ll bring you some. Okay. Is it Do they can it, too? Yeah. Oh, no way. With a logo and everything, huh? Oh, dude. I need I have cans behind me on when I podcast. Oh, yeah. Oh, dude. I absolutely need that. That’s fire. H might have to buy some pumas. Hey, you answer that. Now back to the insiders with James Ham and Kyle Madson brought to you by Jify Lube on ESPN 1320. Now it’s a great question by Johnny G. Ham. When you go out on your boat, do you wear a captain’s hat? Okay, so I have a yes or no question, James. The answer is typically no, but I do have I do have a flat build hat that says Captain Awesome that like for big events I might wear. Um, and then on top of that, uh, like if you go to Yacht Rock, you have to go you have to have a captain’s hat. So like do we have captain’s hats in the house? Yes, but not that I would that I wear out on. You have to wear a captain’s hat. Oh man, you got to do the yacht rock thing. I don’t think I want to do this. It’s so much fun. It’s ridiculously silly, but it is a lot of fun. That’s a good That’s a good night out. If I have to wear If I have to wear a captain’s hat, if it’s a requirement for entry that I wear a captain’s hat, I’m not going. It’s not a requirement, but when you get there and every other person is wearing one, you’ll be like, “Okay, I probably should have worn the captain’s hat.” Nah. Oh, come on. It’s a good time. I’m I’m wearing the hat. So, you have a flat like a snapback that says Captain Awesome. Yeah. That doesn’t count as a captain’s hat. No, no, no. But I do have a captain’s hat. Okay. You don’t wear it on the boat in the trunk? No. No. No. All right. No, I don’t drive. I don’t drive like a yacht. We’ve been watching a lot of Below Deck. And if I if Captain Lee does not wear a captain’s hat, by the way. And if I did drive a If I did have a yacht, I’m not going to be the captain of the yacht. No. Like you worked your way up to that. You’re going to be like a like a deck hand. Well, no. Like if somehow there’s a way that I got wealthy enough to own a yacht. You’re going to hire a crew. Yeah. I’m not I’m not going to be wearing a captain’s hat. That would be disrespectful to the captain. He’s James. I’m Kyle. That’s Joe. is what? The chat is ridiculous. I know it is. Yeah. No, that’s why that’s why we love them. The hand off of DLo and KC coming up in about 20 minutes. Hey, did you see the score of the A’s game last night? Come on. I was watching. Holy smokes. You couldn’t look away. 16 to seven. And it wasn’t even that close. Oh, it wasn’t that close. It was so 16 to three going into the ninth. Yeah. So Shay Langalers is just ridiculous. Shay Langalers hits three homers in his first ever game as a leadoff man. He is the first player in Major League Baseball history to do that. That’s why I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Since at least 1900. Always love that caveat. Okay. As if if it happened in 1898. We just don’t have the data. Yeah. Yeah. So, I’m going to say he’s the first player to ever homer three times in his first ever game as a leadoff man. The A’s top four players. Yeah. Their first four batters. Yep. In their starting lineup, went 16 for 22. Oh, man. They had 24 hits, man. The top four guys went 16 for 22 with five doubles, four homers, 13 runs scored, 12 RBI’s, two walks, and a strikeout. H that’s a great game for an entire lineup. Oh yeah, if your entire lineup has five doubles, four homers, 13 runs scored, and 12 RBI’s, you’re like, “Hell yeah. What a game.” Uh I think the first four guys did that. Colobby to uh Thomas uh who is struggling since he’s come up from the struggling struggling. Um he was the only one that didn’t have a hit and then but he scored a run though, right? Maybe. But there was only one other batter. No, no, he actually got a hit. The only guy who didn’t have a hit was um uh drawn a bl. Max Schuman. That’s right. Yeah. He’s the only one that didn’t have a hit. And then Kobe Thomas had one hit. Everyone else in the entire lineup had at least two hits. It’s crazy. It’s ridiculous. And then you get to the ninth inning and they go one, two, three, and you’ve got Langeliers left on deck. There was probably so much pressure from the seven, eight, nine hitters to get on. For one of them to get on. Yeah. Get Langelers to the plate again. Having two guys hit four homers in a game. Four homers in a game has happened 20 times. Yeah. In MLB history. And the guy and the A’s nearly had two dudes do that feat within two weeks of each other. Yeah. And Lingalers had a a deep double, too. Mhm. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean that team like flat out they can rake. They are so much fun to watch as if you like offensive baseball and I I don’t know. I I mean like that team is going to be really good in the next couple of years. Jeff Passen called the A’s lineup the best line one of the best lineups in baseball. Or maybe he said the best lineup in baseball. Yeah. And when he said that I was like, “All right, let’s relax.” But then just game in and game out, it’s Curts, it’s Langaliers just jumping into the leadoff spot and going five for six with a with a with a double and three homers. It’s Brent Rooker continuing to to mash. He was four for six last night. JJ Blade was was a player I think that that had kind of been left for dead down in the minors and he comes up and is what do we say eight for 12, eight for 10 something like that in his last game. for 10 in the last two games and goes four for six last night and drove in six and scored a couple of runs. Jumped his batting average all the way to 219. Man, yeah, you’re looking at their lineup, too. Like, uh, Langelers now is 22 jacks. Uh, Curts and, uh, Rooker both have 23. Um, you’ve got 19 for Soderstrom, you got 15 for Butler. Like, man, just up and down the lineup. And then they’ve got, you know, Jacob Wilson, uh, Beday, uh, they both have 10. And then you got guys that are close. Max my has nine. Uh even though he’s on the the IIL, I think. Um yeah, this team can can hit. And it’s then they just went out and traded for probably the best shortstop prospect in baseball. Yeah. Oh yeah, he is. Yeah. Yeah. They traded away Mason Miller, who speaking of records. Oh yeah. gave up a game-tying homer last night on the fastest pitch ever hit for a homer since I think it’s been tracked since 2008. Congratulations to Mason Mo. 103.9 miles per hour. He cranked up 104 mph fast ball and it got dinged over the left center field. This is crazy. Can you imagine throwing a p I can’t imagine throwing a pitch 80 miles an hour. No. My my shoulder would fall off. 70 at this point in my life would be a feat. Yeah. 104. He threw a felony. Yeah. And he got so wild and a pressure situation. Like that’s not a good thing. I think that’s I think the A’s are going to go down as having won that trade pretty substantially. I hope so. It sure feel Man, it sure feels like that. Yeah. You said the future of the A’s feels so much brighter than the future of the Kings. It does. That couldn’t be more true because the A’s are doing the A’s are doing what people hoped the Kings would be able to do. And there’s reason like this is it’s hard. It’s apples and oranges. Correct. But the A’s have okay, they’re flawed. They’re not a good team. Nobody’s mistaking them for a playoff team. They they’ve got question marks in the lineup. They’ve got some question marks on the pitching staff. But when you squint, you don’t even have to squint that hard. You see the outline of a Curts, Jacob Wilson, who’s who’s out on on the IIL right now? Curts, Jacob Wilson, Shay Langalers, Lawrence Butler, Rooker, Brent Rooker, Max Muny, like you you start to see the outline of Oh, yeah. And then Dere is just in your this 18-year-old who’s tearing up high and Gellof Gellof still has a ton of talent. He just Yeah, Gellof, too, man. So he he broke his hamming bone uh right as the season was starting but then cracked a rib as he was coming back and so he’s been in and out and you know I think right now he’s a triple AAA but he’s one of those guys that like he was a face of the team two years ago. Yeah. And then last year he had a rough go but and he struck out a ton but man if you can get him on the right page that’s another 20 home run guy from a middle infielder. Yeah. So, yeah. Is there a way the Kings get to that this year where again, not not saying they’re they’re going to be awesome, but where we get to the toward the end of the year and we go, okay, if you squint, you can kind of see the outline of of what they’re working toward. You would hope because, you know, again, if you just kind of match up the type of players, the problem is they don’t have a Nick Curts, right? Yeah. they they the Kings just don’t have a young player with superstar potential. And that’s not to say that Nick Clifford couldn’t get there this year. Like if he just steps on and he he’s he’s just incredible. Yeah. Then okay, they have but but as of right now on August 6th, Curts was a player who got drafted and then less than a year after he was drafted is up in the majors mashing homers. Yeah. And everybody knew like, oh, this guy is in AAA in four months or however long it took him to get to AAA. Yeah. I I think like being fair to Nate Clifford, he’s more like Max Muny in this conversation than than he is a Lawrence Butler or a Tyler Soderstrom. So the the problem is they have like the top tier talent that’s coming up into the bigs all at the same time like the A’s do and like super except for the pitchers. They don’t have a staff but yeah the the young hitters are just incredible. Yeah. And it’s really really tough to see an outline of the Kings where they they can build up through the draft because of where they are right now is like we can talk about like how many wins we can project and stuff like that, but they’re that’s why the draft matters so much in in the NBA and that’s why being mediocre is the worst thing ever. It’s, you know, it is how many times in the like just in the ‘9s, how many times the Kings drafted at this number seven pick in the draft? Mhm. Like Walt Williams, uh Lionel Simmons, uh Bobby Hurley, uh Jason Williams, like I think uh Brian Grant was the eighth pick. Like that’s how you stay mediocre, unfortunately. Right on the right on the edge of the cliff. Yeah. Where usually drafts What’s it? What’s an an awesome draft is like five guys deep. Six guys deep. Pause. Yep. An awesome draft has six players where where you go, all right, if top six picking seven and eight, you’re like, yeah, and again, you can find you can we we’ve talked about this at Nauseium. You can find stars throughout the draft. But I think that’s why so many people have in in from the King side of things have been saying just do what you can to play the young guys. Yeah. because you would you would rather see this year like hey man Maxim Reno can play or man Nick Clifford is can can go he might he might be able to run the point that would be so much more exciting than a first play in game loss. Yeah, that was almost exactly what I was going to say too. If in order for me to feel better and to feel as if there’s a strong future um it you you got to have one or the other. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. you. It has to be our younger guys uh playing tons of minutes and that’s no, we’re not going to make it to the playoffs that way. But you might start to see that outline if we see Nick Clifford, Reo, all of these younger guys, even people that haven’t got as much time, Isaac Jones, stuff like that. Um if you see these guys start balling out and jelling together, then maybe you have to open the door for that possibility. Exactly. And it’s just not right now. It’s And that’s Yeah, that’s the problem. I don’t know how you open the door to that possibility. Well, and and Damian brought this up yesterday when when we were talking about it on the handoff, but there’s this there’s this dream world, right? Where I say I say dream world, not not exactly that, but where there’s this hypothetical where, okay, the Kings get to the deadline and they can move some of their big contracts and it’s the youth movement. It’s just a full for for two months. It’s going to be youth movement in Sacramento. And you can hope for that. You can watch summer league and go, man, it would be really awesome to see Nick get this kind of opportunity in regular season or or Maxim Reno or Isaac Jones or whoever it is be really cool to see. But when you reel it back in and you get to reality, if they if they were going to move Zack Lavine or were able to move him, they probably would have done it this summer. And it’s doubtful that by the trade deadline, that’s going to be a contract they can move. Yeah, it’s doubtful they they that you’re going to move Sabonis at that point. It’s maybe move tomorrow, maybe. But it’s just there’s there’s not a lot of you said like opening that door. There’s not a lot a lot of ways to open it right now. Yeah. I mean, this is the the really difficult thing. It’s we talked about the Suns going for it, right? The Suns built a team and went for it last year and completely flopped and now they they’ve like got themselves in a situation where they’re just like I mean they paid Bradley Bill they’re going to pay him 20 million bucks for 5 years to go away. Um and the Kings are in the same situation just to a lesser degree. They are they just they don’t have they have some of those big contracts but not all of the big contracts and they’re shorter term so they there’s actually light at the end of the tunnel and you don’t need to do something like a buyout but it doesn’t matter it’s still like a bad situation to be in where the Kings are right now and so they’ve got to get through that and and the problem is you’re going to win enough games to not be in the top three to four picks in the draft right but you’re going to be good enough where you’re not really winning enough. So I I I think this this scenario it’s not going to be apples to apples because the A’s have have been rebuilding. The A’s are on year when did they last go to the playoffs? 21 20. Yeah. 2020. Is that the the accumulating assets they’ve been and they now have this opportunity where there’s no expectation really that they were going to be competing for for a playoff spot and it’s just hey going to play the young guys and see how it works out. the Kings aren’t aren’t in that spot, but I think there’s a there’s the Kings version of it, I think, is one where Nick Clifford becomes the the first or second guy off the bench. Yeah. Depending on what happens with Malik Monk, but he’s a reliable rotation player off the bench by the end of the year where you’re going, “All right, you’re you’re trending toward this being a 30 plus minute a night guy.” Well, I I think that’s the first one. The the other one is where you find a way to get Keegan Murray up to 14 15 shots per game. Sure. And I don’t know if that’s going to happen, but that would be the other option here is that you start pushing the team towards a more Keegan ccentric offense just to see if he can do it. Sure. And and like look what we’re talking about right now. It’s exactly why the Kings are in the Kaminga sweep stakes. Mhm. Right. It’s because if you are able to add a Kaminga to this roster, all of a sudden you’re looking at him and saying, “Okay, could he be a Lawrence Butler type player? Could he be a Tyler Soderstrom player? Could he be even more than that? Could he get up to the the status of what, you know, a guy like Jacob Wilson is? Mhm. You still need a superstar cuz I don’t think that’s hiding even in Kaminga, but it’s it would at least like be more encouraging for fans where you’re looking at something that’s not like there there’s upside because there’s internal potential internal growth, right? Where as of right now, there’s very little potential internal growth, right? And most of the players that you hope for internal growth from are blocked. So like the Keon Ellis of the world who sitting behind a a Zack Lavine at 34 minutes tonight, that doesn’t help. But again, a neat Clifford who like that might be one of your avenues for internal growth, but he’s locked behind a guy who plays 34 minutes tonight and Demard Rosen. And so you got to find the way to get these guys on the court. and it can’t be like, hey, look, Isaac Jones is awesome, but he plays behind Keegan Murray, who’s one of the young guys you’re also trying to promote, right? So, it’s just a difficult situation. And then you try and go, we’ll move Keegan to the three, but that’s where Demar Rosen is, and he’s going to play 34 minutes tonight. Well, then move Demar to the two. Well, that’s where Zack Lavine is, and he’s just And you’re just blocking the young players behind all of those positions, right? It’s uh not not ideal. I don’t envy Doug Christie and his coaching staff at all here, by the way. They got a lot of work. This is going to be brutal. I mean, I don’t know if it’s going to be brutal because they you can catch lightning in a bottle. No to sure. But but while we sit here and we cuz I’m sure they’re having the same conversations or maybe not at this point, but at some point they’re going to have these same conversations. And there’s no easy answer. Nope. That’s the That’s what I’m You’re going to be navigating a season. you’re conceivably at least theoretically trying to be competitive because you have these veterans in in Lavine and D Rozan and and Sabonis who you kind of owe it like all right if you’re going to be on the team we got to try and win. So you’re trying to navigate that and that the interpersonal dynamics there plus the Keegan Murray thing is in its own little box. Yep. And then the Keon Ellis thing is in his own little box because he’s making $2 million this year. And okay, you got to play him because you don’t want to not play him and rob him of more money and un unrestricted free agency. So you got to navigate that. Plus Nick Clifford looked awfully good in in summer league. Maxim Reno looked awfully good in summer league. Isaac Jones looked awfully good in like this is there is a lot of there are a lot of things to juggle. Yeah, that’s gonna be gonna be really tough. So that’s James. I’m Kyle. He’s Joe Brazil. We’re the insider. Sponsored by Jiffy Lube. We got the handoff coming up next. Do and Casey gonna join us here on ESPN 1320 Sacramento Sports. I’ll be right back. How much time? One, two, two and a half. Is that it? Three. Three. Four. Oh, hell. Run, Kyle. Run. Run. Bullet. What’s going on everybody? Yeah, I mean I get this Tyler that the owners don’t force you to be a 41 team instead of developing youth. One of the problems is they don’t have today they don’t have the youth to do it. That’s that’s where I I have an issue. Like we can say like Keegan and Keon Ellis, both those guys are like Keegan’s almost 25 and Keon is 25. Like I get that they they need more minutes and all that stuff, but developing the youth is going to like how much stock do you put in developing the 23rd or 24th pick in the draft or the 42nd pick in the draft? There has to be a a move to get somebody that’s young. And that’s why again I I think they keep sitting here on the Kaminga deal and and you know they haven’t just like given up. Yeah, this is it’s kind of a mess. Like, you know, you hope that that there becomes like some sort of avenue where a guy like a a a team comes after Zack Lavine. A team’s like, “Hey, Zack Lavine is what we’re lacking right now. We’re trying to get over the hump and we need that player, even if it’s a short-term thing.” And maybe you get something positive out of that. Maybe you get a young player who develops, a couple of young players, a couple of picks, something that develops. Um, and it’s not just like waiting for him to expire. We have any other questions? Yeah. If the kings Hey, special. the Kings could land in the top 30 of this draft. There are some star level players um you know or at least guys who project as all-star level players like the Boozer Twins or at least one of the Boozer Twins looks like he can be a star and there’s a couple other guys in there too. No, Norm, I don’t think the the A’s thing has anything to do with with the Kaminga situation. I I I in all honesty I don’t. So, um like I wake up has always been like, “Hey, I’ll buy the A’s and I’ll build the stadium.” But he’s not like sitting there like like going crazy for for that. It’s not like when what is it? The Warriors are the most right now. They’re not going to Yeah. No, he would buy the Ace and build the stadium like for sure, but he like he doesn’t have anything to do with uh like I don’t think it has anything to do with that. But that’s just me. What’s up, Dave? Hey, man. How are you? Good. Excellent. We got Kenny on his way in. I never know. All right. Um, you know what? I’m going to like Eric B. I I’ll do my research this afternoon and when I come on from 3:00 to 4 with uh with Damian and Kenny, we can have this discussion for sure. Yeah, that whole that whole thing confuses the hell out of me. Not the six-mon thing, but now back to the insiders brought to you by Jiffy Lube on ESPN 1320. Welcome into the handoff. I’m Kyle Madson. That’s James Ham, Joe Brazil on the ones and twos, Damian Barling, Kenny Carowway of DLO and KC. They are here. They’re in the building. They have arrived. What’s up, guys? What’s up, man? Oh, you know, hanging out. Yep. That’s what we do. Really, really excited to to show you guys what what we got here for our daily Jonathan Kaminga update. Oh, good, good, good, good, good, good. Really, really? No, I mean, he was with the ops. Yeah. That’s my guys. That’s my guys. I mean whose side is he on? Oh, you know said, “Hey, can we talk about the Kings?” I was like, “Yeah, we can talk about the Kings.” I’m just I’m just Yeah. So, here’s We’re on day Why is KC in standard definition? I don’t know. I’m on screen. We’re on day 31. Watch. Jesus Christ. Isn’t that incredible? Terrific. That’s terrific. Absolutely terrific. You’re jealous. It’s okay. I am. You can use it if you want. Oh, thank you. I won’t, but thank you. I mean, I might. I might. I might. I want to loop you guys in on somewhere we were talking about a little bit because we we didn’t really finish the conversation. Do Did you follow the George KD smelling salts thing yesterday? We did. Yeah, we were talking about it. I mean, off the air on KSFM, but yeah. What a clown show from the NFL. this. I just I can’t I can’t do the faux concern about player safety anymore. Yeah. I just I can’t Hey, you might be able to hide a concussion. So, we’re going to ban this thing. Uh 18. By the way, the NFL is going to 20 games. 18 games. We’re going to expand the playoffs and they’re they’re going to play on two. We’re going to experiment with the first ever Monday Tuesday back to back. We’re going to see how it goes. You get the mini buy after, but you’re going to have a Monday Tuesday back toback. Yeah. Just even the Thursday night football thing like like the I I I this is several years ago. The uh Troy Brown, former Patriots wide receiver, interviewed him about Thursday night football games and he said, “But when you turn 30, by the time Thursday rolls around, your body is just starting to feel like, all right, I can get ready to play in an NFL game.” And they’re asking guys to every week, hey, suit up and play on Thursdays. Like that’s one. Now there’s 17 games. Now they’re playing on every holiday. It just So when they come out and they’re like, “Yeah, we’re going to ban smelling salts because you might be able to maybe hide concussion symptoms with it.” It’s like, well, I just it’s just annoying to me. I’ve always felt that the NFL has been trying to um what’s the word I’m looking for? The terminology? Maybe run two races, right? Like they’re trying to make money. timelines. Perhaps two timelines. Kamingo watch day 31. See, you missed it. Come on, rookie. Thank you. Um, they’ve been trying to do everything that they can to to maximize every dollar that they can right right now. While also, if they’re smart, keeping an eye on the future and making sure there is a future for the NFL. Now, I never thought the NFL would go away. I’m not saying that. But there is a generation of parents who are like, “Now I’m a parent with a decision to make on my kid who’s like, he’s not playing football. It’s not happening.” Yeah. And they and they’re entering that. So, like they’re running this thing of like, “Oh, no, no, no. We’re the game is safe. You can allow him to play.” Yeah. You know, we’re look what we’re doing with the concussion. Like, we’re we’re taking it serious. We’re making the game safe. What is it? play safe 60 or safe 60, whatever. Like, we’re making it safe. They’ve been trying to play both sides of the fence. Mhm. Because I think in places like Texas and Florida and stuff like that, they don’t ever have to worry about it. Doesn’t matter. Yeah. But they don’t really have laws in Florida or Texas either because whatever you out there actually eat smelling salts down there, and they play in uh 60,000 seat stadiums in Texas as well for high school for Pop Warner. It’s crazy. Three days a week, man. But like now they’re they’re entering that that I would say our generation right here is the first one that has like the most knowledge of what football can do and they’re like, “Yeah, no, you’re not playing.” So, while like I said, the NFL is not going to go away. Like they, if they were smart, they’d be mindful of trying to make sure they have as much of the talent pool as they always have. Mhm. So they got to play this little charade of No, no, we’re making it safe and all this other stuff. Yeah, they’re they’re going to do all this so they can say it’s safe now so we can do 18 games. That’s that’s Kenny, did you play football? No. I wish I did sometimes. Okay, so I played three years and I didn’t play my senior year. Um I I was very clear with both my sons, you guys will never put on a helmet. And they were okay with that. Like both of them were fine with it. They’re both soccer players and they play volleyball, they play other sports. Like, I’m just not doing because there’s if you’re just like a run-of-the-mill player in high school, you can walk out of there with three or four concussions and never ever play the sport ever again. Not, you know, maybe you throw a football on a beach somewhere, but that’s about it. Like there’s there’s no like you you can maybe you have like the glory days. You can talk about the glory days of what you did when you were a high school football player, but there’s the long-term like negative possibilities are so like it’s all over the place, you know? And so I was like, “No, I’m not going to do it.” And and I know certain people be like, “Oh man, you won’t let your kid play football?” It’s like, “No, like what’s what’s it good for? What is he going to look like, you know, when he’s 23 years old and his shoulders ripped out or or he’s had five concussions?” like there’s no redeeming quality for for me and I played you know I got battered and you know you still feel it. Yeah. It’s just I love the game of football. I I really enjoy the game of football and everything but uh yeah it just wasn’t it wasn’t anything that I I thought was worth like James just said putting my son out there pop Warner practice. I used to watch Friday Night Tikes. We used to love that show. Crazy. Those eight-year-olds crazy would launch into each other so violently. Oh yeah, man. It’s crazy. Well, that’s the crazy thing. When you get to high school and you you’re out there in your freshman year and you put a helmet on for the first time and pads on for the first time and then you run up against the Pop Warner kids, they could be half your size and they crush you and they know how to hit and you don’t. And a bunch of the the kids who haven’t played, they’re getting injured because they don’t know how to how to take a hit or how to hit somebody, ducking their heads, hurting their necks, like all kinds of stuff. Yeah, it’s really crazy. I mean, kids out there six, seven years old running around in full pads. That’s wild. You know what I remember most about freshman football is the start time. When you went to your first because there were there were other teams that had to p there was varsity and junior varsity that had to practice before you. You were practicing at four o’clock. Right after school. Four o’clock. Right after school. No, no, no, my brother. I’m talking about four o’clock to start conditioning in July. Oh my god. Yeah. So that might not mean something in very many places, but in Sacramento, California, y you’re throwing those pads on, you know, fly eagles fly over at at El Camino, and you’re you’re you’re throwing up or passing out by the time practice ends. Yeah. Going to play at uh what is it? Del Paso. Is that what it is? Like like they they had no lights so you always had to play during like on a Saturday in the day. That’s cool. And their field is dirt basically. Good lord. Yeah. Just brutal. Yeah. Yeah. There were a lot of schools around here that didn’t have lights, man. The good news for the NFL just didn’t have talent. But I digress. Go ahead. The good news for the NFL is they’ve got their two timelines thing. And no matter what happens with the second timeline, like they’re going to be fine. They’re going to be fine. Unlike and a kaminga watch. Nice. That two time wise did not work out. If you edited that drop properly, it would just be the worst thing ever. Or talk over just like a certain part. Like it’d be crazy. Yeah. Like there’s there’s a way you could edit that to just change the whole context of what’s happening. I’ll let you guys I’ll let you I’ll let you know. Oh. Oh. Well, I don’t know. That little sound effect at the end would have gone crazy with it. Leave that to your boys over at the Lightyear podcast or whatever it is. Yesesh. Uh, quick question though about Kaminga. Did I just just James probably knows. Give him some smelling salt and tie this whole story together. Yeah. Nice. What happens? The deadline for the qualifying offer is like October something, right? It’s October 1st, but we we learned today sort of. It’s a soft deadline. It is a soft if the two sides negotiate, they can push the deadline back and they can do it multiple times and they can extend the deadline out. They can’t do it indefinitely. They always have to put a date. But let’s say they bump it to October 15th and then October 14th rolls around, they’re like, “Okay, we’re going to push this back to November 1st.” They can continuously do that and then but they mutually have to agree to but they mutually have to agree and then the drop dead date for that is March 1st. Okay. So you could literally just end of the season. Well, but Kamingo wouldn’t be playing, right? He would just be sitting there like, “Hey, that makes sense. It feels like all these deadlines like I remember Fred Van Fleet like they had a he had a opt in No, the team had an optin deadline.” Yeah. And they were like, “Nah, we’re going to make the opt-in deadline this.” And obviously Fred Van Fleet was on board for that, so they they move that. I guess that makes sense. I didn’t know you could do it here, but I guess it makes sense. You could do it with most of the deadline set. The contract doesn’t. My question is, what if he doesn’t sign to qualify? He just doesn’t play. He He doesn’t have a contract. Yeah, he doesn’t play. He has until March 1st. And if he doesn’t, then he doesn’t get a year of service, I believe. So that’s and would reset and do. That’s the thing that has kind of frustrated me the most from that conversation we were having about the no trade clause on the oneplus one that a team shouldn’t even have the option of asking a player to wave that no trade clause right I and I’m still completely unclear as to how all of this works with that one plus one no trade clause but it seems like it is put in there from the players association to protect a player because as on the qualifying offer you you you are protected you’re still in control of what your future looks like. They can’t take that from you because they didn’t want to sign a long-term contract with you. So, the idea that you can just ask a player to do it as almost a a negotiation tactic feels to me like the players association says, “No, no, no, no. That’s not that’s not what this is put in place for.” Yeah. You Mike Dunlum, you any other general manager or basketball franchise, you can’t ask a player to wave this one. Now, when you have a fouryear, $300 million, fiveyear, $300 million max contract and you’ve built a no trade clause into that, sure, you can ask a veteran to wave their no trade clause, the two guys in the entire league that have it. But you can’t ask a kid on a qualifying offer or or threaten him on a one plus one to wave that. That that to me is where the players association has to step in and go, “No, no, no, no. you you guys need to get this dealt with, but you’re not doing that. That’s in place for a specific reason, and you can’t ask him to take that away. Well, I’m guessing that sets a terrible, terrible precedent. Yeah, absolutely. I’m guessing the players union is having conversations about this. Well, I’d imagine. So, I started to wonder at what point does the players association start asking, okay, what is going on with all these restricted free agents? Like, I understand playing out the market. I I understand to a certain degree what we’re looking at, but also are we using are we using these um concessions that we put in place for for owners and teams as weapons. Mhm. And I you may find nothing and that’d be perfectly fine, but I think you have to ask questions. You have to start looking around like, okay, what exactly is happening here? Because it’s not just Jonathan Kaminga. There’s three other really good Yeah. restricted free agents on qualifying offers that are just or being offer that are just sitting here, you know, facing the the reality of playing on a one-year deal. I I don’t want to make it as if I’m always like anti-warriors without having like a real conversation or anything else like that. But it it does feel like the Warriors are playing some dirty pool right now with Jonathan Kaminga with the way this season wasn’t even over and they’re like, “Oh, yeah, yeah, we gonna sign and trade him.” You know, his agent go find deals. He finds deals that he like, “Ah, no, we don’t want to do that.” Or, you know, let’s do this two-year deal. Now we’re asking you, hey, give up your rights with a no trade. Like everything that they’ve done and and maybe the Bulls and the Nets are doing the same thing. and I just don’t know about it um because I’m not paying as close attention to it. But everything they’ve done has it just kind of seem not in good faith and for the betterment of what they want to do as a franchise. Like let’s do this so we can trade you and get a better player. No, we’re not going to allow you to go somewhere because we want a a better trade package or something like it’s just it’s just been and it’s maybe no different than any other NBA team, but this this whole thing has been pretty uh pretty underhanded by the Warriors. They’re they’re exercising like every bit of power and control given to them as a team. Mhm. And you are listening to KM West Sacramento Car2 Sacramento ESPN 1320 Sacramento Sports Leader. Always free on the Odyssey app. Real quick, do I have to read it or can I front of me? But if I say, “Hey Kyle, this what you got to do.” Is that a point for me? Can I ask Can I I’m sorry. Not You’ve been here five years. You don’t know it by heart yet. Do not put that monstrosity in view of your camera. That That is a That is a grotesque. Dang, man. I knew it, man. I knew I was I was about to, man. I had one. No, not since we Not this week. Not this. Do you know the legal ID? I know you did it the other day. Do you know the legal ID, by the way? I read it off the thing. I close enough. Yeah. I don’t know about you. I’m almost there. You’re listening to KFM ESPN 13. KFM West Sacramento. Whoa. ESPN 1320. Getting out of control with that. I I had the KFM West Sacramento, but then you talking about KRXQ HD. I would have been lost. I would have been like spilling. That’s where you listen to the Oh, KRXQ HD2. you when you had no problem with Gerald though. Gerald Wayne was fine, but Dcoin beat roughed him up a little bit. When you read When you read your legal ID, Kenny just goes and he’s just out. Yeah, I feel sick. That’s funny. It’s a It’s a I listen I we have the legal ID play twice. It plays twice and I don’t No, I got nothing. Okay. But I never hear that. Right. Yeah. because it you you turn it on after. Uh, no, Joe turns it on. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I’m not sure if we say it every day. It’s not I mean, the most important part is KIFM West Sacramento KRX QHD2 Sacramento 1320. We do say it every day, by the way. Every hour. Yes, every hour. Yeah, I don’t know what Kenny’s talking about today. We definitely say it every day and every hour. I don’t know. Stop that. That Colgate F State basketball game, bro. You wouldn’t last on the streets. Can I tell you that? Pump. That’s your boy. Oh, no. That’s not my boy. That’s your boy. Came to the 1320 party with you. Look, I’m I’m pay attention now. I don’t I didn’t Well, I actually did not do. That’s funny. Tell the people who they’re listening to. That’s That’s what he gonna do today. Watch. He can’t wait. He can’t wait for 59 to get here. Start off. You gonna come in tomorrow. There’s going to be four Casey check marks. We’re gonna start unrivaled. Zo knows it by heart. Yeah, that’s funny. Um, to get back to like the the restrictive free agents, I would like to say that there’s collusion or something, but it’s clearly not because every single one of these players are in completely different situations and like I get it. Well, I don’t think it’s collusion that I didn’t really imply that. I don’t think it’s collusion. I think it’s the second apron. Yeah, I think it’s a uh I think I think everything that’s happening right now is a fear of the aprons, of course. But it it’s also like I I mean in and that’s why I say I think if you’re the collective, if you’re the players associate, you ask questions, you’re probably coming up with nothing because we went over this the other day. There’s one team in the second apron. I think that was Cleveland. There’s four or five above the first. Everyone else is above the cap. That means except Brooklyn. Except for Brooklyn. Brooklyn and Utah. Everybody else is above the cap and that means they’re at least flirting with the second apron. So you’re looking at what would traditionally be contracts for Jonathan Kaminga, Josh Giddy, uh Quinton Grimes, Cam Thomas. Cam Thomas. And you’re like, “Well, yeah, I he puts me over the first apron in two years.” Mhm. Or he puts me over the first apron this year. And it’s like if you’re you look at those incumb uh Brooklyn’s not there yet. I don’t know what Cam Thomas does for him. I don’t even know what Chicago is doing at at this point. it. So, you’re like, I’m not hitting first apron numbers to be fighting for a playin spot. Well, typically, God, that hit a little too close to home, but I mean that essentially that I think that’s what Bingo watch. Thank you. There you go. There you go. This guy’s on fire. What uh it’s like the market always sets a player’s value, right? That’s what everybody always says. It’s go test the free agent market and see facts. There’s just no market right now. So, the bulls are going, “All right, Josh. Uh, you want 30. We’re at I don’t know where the bulls are. We I’m just going to say 20. We’re at 20. You have no means to go get 30. So, here’s the qualifying offer. If you want to play for that or here’s our contract and what is Josh Giddy’s recourse?” There isn’t any. There’s none. None. to play on the qualifying offer and then become an unrestricted free agent and try and get his 30 a year or you sign for 20 now. Well, that and James is right. All of the situations are different. Like everything that we’ve heard I mean with it’s you know not not that we’re it’s tapped in with everybody. Chicago wants Josh Giddy. They just aren’t going to pay him what they don’t have to. Right. The situation that makes the Kaminga Warriors thing situation is the Warriors have made it clear through the media for the last year they don’t like this kid. Yeah, Steve Kerr doesn’t like him. You can question who else on the team likes him. But they don’t want him. And now it’s like, well, we’ve got to get the most of our protecting the asset. We got to get the most out of our asset. They don’t want him, but they want the $20 million placeholder, right? it it’s like the draft pick is one thing. The $20 million placeholder is as big as anything else because there’s no way to get to a $40 million player unless you have that placeholder and then on top of that you throw in Buddy Hill, you throw in Moses Moody and boom, you’re a 40 million, you can take back a $50 million player, right? That’s what they’re looking at. They’re So I don’t understand why they don’t just go, “Okay, just give us Malik Monk. It makes us a better team. It’s still a $20 million placeholder. we’ll take the first round pick. Like that’s where I’m kind of but then they have to dump one of those other players. We tend to lean on the analogies we know like James uses the the house analogy all of the time. The these like Mike Dun Levy Jo these guys have all been around Bob Myers. Bob Myers was a financial guy told the line before my financial person says you don’t lose till you sell. They don’t they know the moment they sell they’ve lost. Yeah. You have not lost anything until you sell it. And you feel like what James was just talking about, you can recoup that value. You could recoup this whole two timeline disaster if you have that $20 million placeholder and they refuse to let it go. the the the other thing about it in the grand scheme of things that you guys have talked about um is Jason Jones put it perfectly when we were talking about this a couple months ago and this is the the crux of the issue with the CBA first apron second apron it gives these owners one a reason not to spend money two a reason not to compete and that is infuriating as as an observer, there’s a fan of a team and all this other stuff. You look at like sometimes we get too smart for all good and the money starts the cloud and everything. If Cam Thomas went to the Mavericks or the Mavericks are better team, yes, they’re they’re a better team, but they they can justify not trying to be good, not competing, and not spending because, oh, well, you know, if we get the Cam Thomas, we got all these penalties and it’s and now it’s really it’s not the best bang for your buck because the money you’re putting out to be a second round team just doesn’t make sense. So, let’s not do anything at all. and and we’ve lost the the plot of all of this. Are we aren’t we supposed to be competing? Yes. Are we supposed to be trying to be trying to win and trying to be the best team that we can be? And the whole league is fixated on these on these aprons and the monies and the taxes and all this other stuff that has given them a reason not to compete. Well, that and Kenny to add to that, I mean, the Kings are basically like they’re putting it out there that it might take till 2027. We’re going to have to ask all of the fans in Sacramento just like hold out like hang out there. We’re going to be bad for two years because we have no way around it. We have no way to get good today. Even if we were going to spend a ton of money, there’s not a way to do it because we have two contracts or at least one contract that is so astronomical that it messes up the entire salary structure of our team and you guys are just going to have to hang out. Like, sorry fans, you’re just going to have to buy tickets for a team that’s not going to be very good. Well, even even then in that aspect though, and I know a lot of people are on the different different sides of the fence with this, but it shouldn’t just be let’s just hang out. Hey, let’s try to put the best team out there to win. Mhm. Yeah. And if the best team out there to win is a second round team, that’s not a failure. That’s not no man’s land. That’s not a bad thing. Like, you’re trying to compete and win. I think if if you if you you never know what might happen and they’re a good team, but like at the beginning of the season, we looked at Indiana, it’s like a second round team at best, right? They played better than we thought and they got some breaks. They got to a game away from the championship. Mhm. Like, but they did that because they went out and they competed. They went out to try to go be the best team that they can be. And I just feel like, you know, with sports, with with the NBA in general, with this with this whole CBA, I feel like in the grand scheme of things, we didn’t lost a lot of all of this, man. Yeah. And giving owners an opportunity to to not spend money and not pay these guys. How much actual basketball we talked with the Kings outside of summer league? It’s been a minute. Not a lot. Yeah. Wait a minute. Like what do you what do you talk about at this point though? like like actual basketball. Like what are we talking about? Cuz it’s it’s there. Like we we know what it is, right? There’s not much to discuss. So like everything, you know, we we we we joke like, “Oh, we can’t live in hypotheticals.” The whole goddamn off season is hypothetical. Oh yeah. It’s like what if this happens? What if this happens? Well, what if they could do this? Well, what if they can’t do that? We just had one yesterday about well what if it goes bad and you sell off this and you sell off that and you you know you you get rid of the high price. It’s like That’s that’s all this is. Like it’s difficult to talk basketball because so much of what we’re talking about is centered on like it’s it’s it’s it’s centered on essentially like chemistry. Mhm. Demar can play. Zack can play. Dom can play. Keegan can play. Ke All of these different guys can play. Doug can coach. Mike Woodson can coach. Scott Perry can. Great. Can they all do it together? Right? And no amount of grabbing will stats and evaluating, no amount of that work is going to lead us to any conclusion. People are going to enter this season either really really down on Sacramento or whatever. I don’t think anyone’s high on them. And I’m talking Kings fans only. I’m not talking, you know, you know, Brian Winhurst who or whoever. I’m talking like Kings fans are entering people in the chat, people listening, they’re they’re they’re either, man, this team sucks, this is whack, like whatever. Just get this over with. And everyone’s else everyone else is like, okay, we’ll we’ll see what happens. Sure. Well, here’s the other element, too. Like, I don’t think that even if you’re able to get Kaminga right now, it even changes the potential outcome of this season. But what it does do is at least gives you like a hope for the future. And that’s the one reason why I think a lot of people are clinging to this. It’s like, well, at least we would have a 22-y old, but we don’t know how good he can be because there’s possibilities. As of right now, it does not feel like there are possibilities. It’s like optimized say optimized Domas, Demar, like Zack Lavine, Shruder, Keegan Murray. What is that optimized like? What if everything works out perfectly? Is there a way this team could win 50? Okay. But like I I I don’t really think that anyone believes that. Like it’s just like the structural like flaws of this team are just sitting there still. So you’re hoping that you can reach some weird height that doesn’t make any sense. I think I think as improbable as 50 is is 35. Really? 35 feels nuts to me. If I told you they win either 50 or 35, you have to bet on one. You would bet on 50. I said they’re equally as improper. I think I think when you when you go with the context that this is the team this year, 35 seems crazy. Sure. The the scenario that’s gets laid out of, hey, they’re they’re not that good. They start moving people and you you lose games that you probably would have with a full roster. I can understand that. I get that. But if you’re telling me these guys, if you’re telling me that’s the roster all year, 35, yeah, they should they should be a lot. They should be better than that. I But I also think, and this is, this goes to the larger point that I’m talking about, like I think there are a good number of people that the Kings get into the playoffs this year and they’re mad about it. We’re so paralyzed by all the information that we have that we’re losing the plot of what we supposed to be doing. That’s a good point. Cuz they’re like, “It doesn’t matter. Their future isn’t good. I’m sorry. We’re hosting game three of the first round here in Sacramento.” And I I just think just as fans, observers in general, not that it doesn’t matter. like you you want to see the bigger picture, but we have so much information and we got so much um disposable information and all this other stuff that we’re losing the plot of what we supposed to be doing out here. I think there’s a lot of that stuff that’s talk too though. You could you there might be a person who going into game 82, Kings win, they’re in the playoffs. I guess it would be the playin game. Get to the playing game. If they win, they’re in the playoffs. they lose, they they got a lottery pick. And I think there’s a lot of people who’d be like, “Rather lose. Rather be in the lottery than go lose to Oklahoma City in four or five games. I’d rather lose.” But once that game tips off, that person is wanting the Kings to win with their entire soul because hey, if we get into the first round, who knows? Maybe they take us lightly. Maybe Zack Lavine gets hot and you start to talk yourself into it that way. And that’s what I think once the once the ball goes in the air, game one, all this stuff about, oh, you want to be bad and you draft picks and trade guys, I think kind of goes out the window. But I think I think Damen’s right. It’s just the nature of the offseason. Yeah. I mean, and off season’s not over. Like we don’t even have a schedule. Like we we we’re we’re we’re trudging through August. Like we’re like we’re at this point we’re we’re at NFL preseason games now which is like oh NFL preseason returns tomorrow and then we watch a game and we’re like god damn it like I don’t want to watch this. That Raider game is going to kick off and I’m going to be excited when kickoff happens and five plays in I’m like all right. You know what kills it for me is the game those those games like on a they kick off while we’re doing KSFM so we can’t hear it. Oh, so we had the Hall of Fame game on the other, you know, the the other day and it’s like for me anytime I was at home and it’s like, oh, you know, there’s Taro and Collinssworth or there’s, you know, uh, who whoever’s on the call. It’s it’s because it’s always the A team, there’s Troy and Joe. Like, oh, okay. And then like you forget what you’re watching. When you can’t hear them and you look up and you’re watching like, whoa, whoa, he just fell. What is happening up there? You just realize you’re watching sketchy football. Well, what a throw by Lance to someone. Oh god. At least he caught it. That’s funny. The guy breaking news. No, we have a potential one of those things you don’t talk about in sports happening in the Cleveland. Is it Mets? Flamingo watch. Is it one of those top tier things or the one just below it? The one just below it. Oh yeah. Well, they can’t hear us. Are we allowed to say it? Yeah, you can say MLB. I’m just following James. I don’t want to change. Nobody. The MLB sent out a notification like, “Hey, this is happening.” Now I’m afraid to say it. Well, no, it’s a I get it. I want no hitter notification. Hey, no one is No one has killed a baseball story more than me. So, uh, you want to put the Giants game on real quick, Dan? It’s already on. Hey, I watched yesterday. It was 8 to 8 to1 and we watched a lot. Yeah, it was cooking last night. Reverse the curse in New York. Yeah. Uh Gavin Williams is heading into the ninth inning. I actually got that game on right now, too. Uh he’s at 112 pitches heading into the ninth inning. Hell yeah. Let him go for it. What did uh what did Lindum throw that one time? 138. Was it I think that was Edwin Jackson. There’s a lot of people. Edwin Jackson like nine guys. Yeah, that was crazy. I think only was around like a fourhour game. He was out there for the whole thing. The only no hitter ever that is like did he pitch that well? There’s a one Marishell game, right? I think that there they had dueling no hitters and the guys just kept going and they ended up both like at 170 something pitches. Is that a No, no. I know Harvey Hadex threw a 12 inning no hitter and lost the game. Oh yeah. They asked him when he got to the locker room, so what went wrong today? Didn’t give up a hit. They’re like, “Hey, you really struggled on struggled really struggled out there with one out. One out. That’s like my boy from the Yankees. I can’t remember his name, but he threw a no hitter and loss against the Chicago White Socks. 1990, I believe it was. The greatest thing that’s going to happen in sports today happened in the Little League World Series earlier. Oh yeah. I don’t know if you guys are following along on this program, but we were tapped in, brother. Florida is up 4 nothing on South Carolina in the Southeast Regional final. Okay, this is to go to Williamsport. Bottom six, last inning, four nothing. Base is loaded, two outs. Pitcher walks a guy. Makes it four to one. Now the big boppers up. That 12-year-old who looks 28, he’s at the plate. They go, “Hey, walk him.” So they walk him to make it four to two and put the tying run on second. This kid who looks like the most 12-year-old 12-year-old you’ve ever seen in your life comes real quick. Hey, real quick. One sent to hell with your no hitter. Oh, just blew up. Yeah, he I’m so fired up. I did that. He hit a bomb to center right now. Oh my god. 420 ft to center field. I don’t want to say, “Hey, would have won something, too.” Oh, shout out to me for having the power to bring all the way from Sacramento, California. You know, you know what’s funny is real quick cuz I want to hear the end of the little league most recent. Yeah. But like when I’m talking Niners, you know, I be talking crazy with the Niners, right? And people will get in here and they’ll be like, “Yeah, KC, you should have humbled yourself. That’s why they lost.” Yeah. All right, I’ll shut up. And they’ll win every goddamn game. No, I don’t have that power. Crazy. Game team meeting. They’re like, they’re like, “Hey, did you hear what KC said? It’s a lot of pressure, guys.” Yeah. So, I have no power over this, so I’m going to talk crazy talking about. Do you guys just want to go to your break? Yeah. At this point, that’s fine. up to 28. That’s fine. Okay. So, uh, four to two now after they w and the most 12-year-old 12-year-old you’ve ever seen comes up to the plate. Yeah. Shaking in his boots. Coach calls him over his tongue. He’s like, “Okay.” You see he’s getting up there. He’s all nervous. Cranks a double off the wall, clears the bags. South Carolina wins at 5. Hey, South Carolina. Unbelievable performance. Shout out to that kid. That’s probably the best thing in sports that kid’s ever going to do. Probably. Like, that’s amazing. You get walked in the bottom of the sixth. They were so confident. they were going to get you out. They put the tying run on second. Come on, man. And he made and you crank a double that clears the bag. I love that. I used to I used to love I still love watching the Little League World Series in the regionals. Although Although Although the regionals being broadcast, they need to settle down with they need to relax. Yeah, they need to settle down. It’s not only Little League World Series. Like too much is being televised nowadays, at least on the big networks. You can go find them if you want to, but on ESPN you should not be having a region. That’s a whole another story for a whole another day. But I used to watch those just to see the kids crying when I was a kid. When I was a kid, not as an adult. The the pitcher the pitcher really broke down after giving up the double. I could imagine. I would have the shorts stop started crying because there was like a lowline drive that he one hopped and tried to pretend like he caught it and then didn’t make an out because he was trying to pretend like he caught it. He started tearing up. Yeah. That poor kid. Tough dude. Poor kid. Really tough. There’s this kid on on Reese’s uh travel team that I sometimes I’m like, “Okay, what am I watching right now?” This kid the other day in a good way or a bad way. In a good way. In a great way. This kid the other day, it went like 340. What? How old is he? 12. Get out of here. It went and it was a rocket. Like just He’s He’s about my size. See? Yeah. He He Where do they Where do they build these kids? just a 6′ 12y old just roaming the street. It’s ridiculous. Did you run into that playing playing ball where you would play against a team that brother? I was like 5t tall. They were all like 67 to No, Ryan. That’s what I’m saying. It just doesn’t make any sense. They were like 340. We They play on like this. So now it’s like 6090. They’ve stepped up to 6090 at 12. Yeah, it’s time. It’s time. That’s what they do. 6090 at this time. So 60 60 foot pitcher mound 90 foot base is for those of you who real baseball before I think it’s like what 4560 I think that’s the I think that’s little league world series too I think it’s 4560 45 plate mound plate 60 um so I’m with with Jazz and we’re like walking to the car and look at we could park right behind the fence like these kids is not hitting this ball this far you crazy this a real this a a major league field like they’re not hitting it this far. We didn’t park behind the fence, but sure enough, he it was probably like 340 345. Golly, damn. Golly, I remember my freshman year of high school. So, we had just gone to 6090s in in travel ball. So, I’m very very new to the 6090 thing and I make this play. It’s early in the game. Diving stop to the back end. Get up, throw, get the guy. I’m like, “Yeah, hell yeah.” dad after the game like, “Hey, did you did you see that that play I made?” And my dad was like, “Yeah, I was walking in and I saw you throw rainbow across.” I’m like, “Come on, man. I’m 13 years old. Give me a break.” That’s brutal. I was 14. Guess those girls are a long ways away. They’re a long ways away at 69. Is it the right thing to do? Speaking of preseason, NFL preseason, is it the right thing to do for the Raiders to play all their starters at all? Like, sure. for for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think it is for them specifically. They’ve got new coach, new quarterback, rookie running back, all this other stuff. Like they need to start building some cohesion. Yeah. With that group. So, I think they should. Unpopular opinion. Starters need to play more in the preseason because every year every year one we’re like, “Oh my gosh, this looked horrible.” It’s like, “Yeah, cuz they haven’t played since last season.” Yeah. Everybody treats the first four weeks as the preseason now. It’s like, “Hey, these count, right?” Yeah. Right. You missed the playoffs by a game cuz you were messing around in week one and two. You know the stats when somebody starts 0 and2 are they? What is it? Well, it doesn’t matter anymore because the season’s an extended a week. So the 0 and2 stat that they used to regurgitate every time someone went 0 and2 is obsolete now because there’s a whole other game to be played. Also, I think there’s more playoff spots. There is. Yeah. And there’s about to be another game. So no one cares when a team goes 0 and2. Stop bringing it up. Which which reminds me they said, “Hey, shut up, Damian, man. We kind of scoffed at it.” Look at that boy, man. Stafford got an epidural. Yeah, I saw that, too. What? But they still hope he’s ready for week one. Something’s not right, man. His back is disintegrating. So, and and so what I I’ll ask James, he he has his issues. So, I’ll ask both of you, who was the last professional athlete who recovered from a back issue at the age of what? What are you talking about? 36. 36. Yeah. 36. 36 years old. 36. 37 years old. Who’s Who did Dwight do it? Dwight wasn’t even that old. Did Steve Nash do it? He was. No. Larry. Larry Bird did. No. Like once that happens, that’s kind of that’s kind of it. Where did I hear the the phrase or the saying is you never hear the phrase I used to have back problems, right? Yeah. Like that’s just that’s Yeah. It feels like and they’re treating this the way the Niners treated the McCaffrey injury. Oh, it’s good. He’s fine. Everything’s fine. He’s taking all of training camp off, but it’s good. Cooked as well, too, just cuz we’ve already got the Yeah, they feel great with Jimmy Garopppolo playing if he needs to. That’s it. That’s it. Like and like when Shawn McVey talks about him, it’s like, “Yeah, we hope.” Yeah, we hope to have him back. Yeah. Backup offensive lineman. Like, what do you mean you hope to have him back? It’s Matt Stafford. Like, he’s your starting quarterback. You don’t know. And that was that was the It’s the It’s the uh uh it’s the Keon Ellis Monty McNair interview all over again. Should have never listen. First time I heard Monty McNair talk about Keon Ellis, it was like, “Oh, he doesn’t care for him.” Like, he doesn’t he doesn’t think Keon accomplished anything for that team. That was a good It was hearing hearing Shawn McVey talk about Matt Stafford was the same exact way. Not that he doesn’t love Matt. It was like, “Hey, something’s wrong here.” And Matt Stafford or excuse me, Shawn McVey is very clearly downplaying it. Yeah. I don’t know that Shawn McVey is capable of being negative. He just feels like one of those guys who’s like, “Yeah, yeah, we hope to have him back. We feel really good about Jimmy Garopolo.” That was cool, man. I’ve never worked on that. We got something to work with. I remember when uh Can’t wait till you overuse it and do it for two and a half minutes. Matter of fact, read the uh Well, the calories are down here in Oxnard. Do the do the read in Sean McVeyy’s voice every day. Oh, all right. I remember when Oh, god damn. What do you guys got coming up on D and Casey? Um, well, more. It got really expensive to be a wrestling fan this morning. Oh, no. Yeah, it’s bad. Like, this is why this is why your show rules bad again. This is why your show. Okay, I’m sorry. Let me let me rephrase this. For regular people. Not for the rich. not 100%. It got really expensive to be a wrestling fan this morning. So, we’ll talk about that. I also have questions. The ESPN made a ton of news this morning. Uh so, we’ll we’ll deal with that. But the Aaron got a contract extension. Luca got a contract extension, but there is a star out there that didn’t. And I think um well, I think it’s interesting. Or I should say there is a star out there who hasn’t yet. M we’ll talk about it. DLO and Casey coming up next for James Ham and Joe Brazil. I’m Colson with the Insider sponsored by Jiffy Loop. Until tomorrow at 10, drink water, be nice, people. Appreciate you, Johnny. Awesome. Sorry guys, I didn’t realize these were off, man. What’s good? Okay, you see what’s back next week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got them screaming dowo. We got them screaming d. We your number one spy. We your number one spot for some sports. Huh? Got the city going crazy when we work. Huh. We top two but we ain’t two. We in first. And when you need the real, we search on KCO. We your number one spot. What’s good, baby? What’s good? What’s good? What’s good? We welcome you in here to the Wednesday, August 6th edition of D1 KC. I’m Damian Borling. The ultimate needle mover in God b himself. Peace, Kenny Carowway. Yes, sir. I love Jerry Jones. Oh, my bad. That was the wrong My bad. Hey, that was me. What the hell is that? That was me. That was me. You see how you see how this goes down? Why did you say it? That was my bad, bro. That was That was nasty work by you to start. Like, that’s crazy. But that’s crazy. It’s wild, bro. It’s wild, bro. It’s wild. It’s wild. Acknowledge me. And we are live. long. I was like hitting him with a chair before the match even started. Yeah, bell hasn’t even rung yet. No, we rung it right now. So, well, now it has, but he he he beat me up before the bell rung. Well, that’s how every Money in the Bank uh cash in works. You beat the guy up with the briefcase, tell the referee to ring the bell, become the champion a couple seconds later. Hey, shout out to uh shout out to the Hegantes. Got the win. Oh, did they? Good. Good. Shout out our guy Bonte on the uh post game right now. Bonte. Shout out. Shout out B. But yeah, it doesn’t matter in a row for the Giants or what are they now like seven games back of the final wild card spot. It’s whatever. Oh, look at corporate Bonte with his little NBC Sports California quarters. Look, he’s a he he the black Manning up there now. Look at him. Got the collared shirt underneath. Look at that boy. Hands folded. Look at that. Corporate Bonte. Corporate B. Good go for Bonte. But yeah, I think the I think the I think the Giants are if if things are going perfectly. I think they’re five back in the wild cards. Bob, go ahead. That’s a 500 ball club. Let’s be real. I’m not I’m not disputing. Well, yeah. I feel like I feel like they’ll go on a bad run, pick themselves up, maybe go on something decent, and then bring themselves back down every time this year. Every time. And it’s always bad losses. Like like I said, losing to the Marlins, losing to two or three to the White Sox, getting swept by the Pirates a little while ago. Hell, they couldn’t even sweep them back. They blew a lead on Monday night that would have put them in position uh to sweep the series. But they did win two or three. Um, they’ve got like a You want to write some wrongs? They’ve got like a 10ame home stand coming up. So, we’ll see. Maybe it’s their last gasp. I was going to say there’s still a lot of baseball to be played. There really isn’t though, right? They’re about a little over about a month and a half. Yeah. Okay. About a month and a half. They’re right now they’re five back of the Mets who broke up a no hitter after Kyle Matson said something. Um, they’re five back of the Mets for the final wild card spot. So, hey, but a win is a win. A win is a win. I’ll take it. And DLO was watching. That’s two wins in a row. While Dlo was watching, DL curse may be broken. It could be over. Good luck, DLO. Jumping off here. Good luck, DLO. Uh, we’ve been, we were talking about the off seasonason with the insiders a few moments ago and a couple of, you know, two of the biggest stories, certainly the biggest stories so far this off seasonason is probably centered on Luca Donuch and the contract he signed with the Los Angeles Lakers over the weekend. Not just the fact that he signed a contract extension. And that’s of no surprise or not really of a big surprise, but the type of contract he signed really put him in place to be the next guy for the Los Angeles Lakers for, you know, the better part of the next decade. Like there is no question this is this is Luca Don’s team moving forward. There’s no question who they’re building around uh moving forward. Obviously, De’Arren Fox’s contract extension has gotten a lot of uh response. I I’ve yet to come across the writeup that praises this contract extension, the Fox extension. The Fox extension. Yeah. I think it’s a I I think being Oh, I think being too critical of it might be a little shortsighted, though. I won’t fight with anyone who says, you know, the eyes the eyes on you now are a little bit different. You sign a 20, you know, 20 some odd million dollar deal with Sacramento, no one cares. They just chalk it up. If you don’t like the decision, they just chalk it up to another bad decision in Sacramento. when you’re Wimy’s guy, when you’re with an organization that has the uh pedigree that the San Antonio Spurs have, this is going to get looked at differently. And part of the reason I look at it perhaps a little finer than others do is because the San Antonio Spurs did it. And that leads me to believe they’ve gone over multiple scenarios that involve their number two pick, Dylan Harper, that involve um Steph Castle, last year’s rookie of the year. like they’ve gone over all of these different scenarios about, okay, what if Steph does this? What if Harper does this? What do we do? What if De’Arren is this? Where does De’Arren put us on a trajectory with uh Victor Wimyama? What do we have to add to go with De’aran and Wimi to make us a true title contender in the next, you know, year or two? And to me, like bringing De’Aran Fox in like I I think it I think it would have been far more difficult to like, yeah, Dear, you’re just going to have to play the last year out, man. We’ll see what happens between now and February and then just hope things continue to escalate with Steph Castle. I’ll use I I’ll use Keegan Murray as a great example. Everybody had feelings about Keegan Murray his rookie year and the sophomore, you know, followup didn’t hit. It’s possible to have a really good rookie year and not a great, you know, next next year or the following year. Like that’s not that’s not crazy. It’s not terribly uncommon. like it can happen. So the idea that just because Steph was good or just because you drafted Dylan Harper that that you don’t sign De’Arren Fox, I think is wrong. I think Dear Fox is still a really really good young basketball player who if something does materialize with those other groups and you feel like you need to use that money on other parts of your roster. I think Dear Fox is still very very tradable. But a guy that we talked about to start this off season is still kind of twiddling his thumbs waiting for that contract extension and it’s Trey Young. I feel like this entire off season for Sacramento started or I shouldn’t say for Sacramento because we don’t know but the entire off season with us and our conversations about the Kings started with Trey Young and now here he is, you know, on the, you know, on the doorstep of a max contract extension and it hasn’t been offered. And this is an Atlanta team that I I think had a really good off seasonason. I think you can ask a couple of questions about Christophs Borzingis, though he’s kind of given the green light on his health, but he they have been almost universally praised for the offseason that they had. So, it felt like, hey, maybe this team is finally taking steps forward from being something more than a 39 40 41 42 win team and and really trying to make a push to have a basketball team that could compete in the East. I feel like you have to have Trey Young to do that. And so far, Atlanta hasn’t extended that offer to Trey in his camp yet. Yeah, I’m not sure. what to believe with Atlanta and Trey Young and how they feel about Trey Young. You could look at some of the moves that they made and on the surface it feels like, oh, they’re trying to put some things around Trey Young. But when you kind of dive in it maybe with a different outlook on it, you might be looking at it more so as, hey, they were just kind of doing what they felt they needed to do as a roster outside of Trey Young. You go get Christopheringis, isn’t he in his final year of his contract? He’sn’t expiring. That’s not a building piece. Um, you go get Nail Alexander Walker. It’s a good look. That’s a good look. But that could just be part of what you’re doing as right. Like it doesn’t have to be related to Trey Young. And now you look at them not offering an extension as of yet. And depending on who you believe, Trey Young was available. Yeah, that’s was available. And that’s the other thing. And I I Yeah. So, you combine those things and we just felt like when nothing happened and they made a move or two, oh yeah, there’s they’re starting to put something around Trey Young. It could have been they weren’t they weren’t sold on Trey Young from the moment this new guy got here and they were just making different moves outside of Trey Young to kind of fix their cap situation, fix their their roster a little bit and prepare for baby life outside of Trey Young. And Trey is due the De’Aran numbers, right? I believe so. I believe so. He might even get more because he’s with the same team. That’s the That’s the thing I was thinking, too. But he doesn’t have the full list of accolades to hit. He doesn’t have the full list of accolades to hit that second benchmark. He’s got Oh, maybe he doesn’t. I want to say he’s got all NBAs, but maybe he doesn’t. Oh, I don’t think so. He has all star. I’m looking through other articles right now because the first one was AI but it says he’s eligible for four years 229 this year. He’s got one allNBA 21. You need two. You need two. That’s what De’Arren was looking for. Yeah. Four years 229 is what he’s eligible for. Okay. All right. And he has like he he he can he has an opt out after this season. There’s a player option. Yeah. after this season. Um, man, could you imagine Atlanta enters this season without Trey under contract? Like the the frenzy that that would cause headed into February? Yeah, it feels like because if you’re Atlanta and you’re finally making steps to build a basketball team and and like you’re you’re now you’re now looking at losing tra you’re you’re you’re having conversations about trading Maybe to your point, you’re having more conversations about trading him, right? Trying to make sense. I guess it does. I mean I mean and this is that sec first and second apron investment like are you willing to make it? I think he’s worth it. Um me personally, I think that’s some somebody that you you you build around and you put a team around. But we’re in that age now where if you don’t if you don’t believe that you’re not spending that type of money on a guy like Trey Young. I think there’s a superstar there. I just don’t think he’s just gotten the right team around him. This year this year would probably be the first. It’s like, yeah, now do a little something more. But I think there’s a superstar there still. I I agree. I agree 100%. Um, but I mean there there are a good number of people around the league, um, including some close by that don’t that wouldn’t want to pay him that type of money. And that’s that’s the market for for a Trey Young. I don’t know if anybody would be willing to pay him that type of money. They may end up doing it, but I don’t know if they’d want to necessarily. I don’t know what you do. I mean, this was a question we asked before the off seasonason. When we looked at the contracts that were going to be due, De’aran, uh, you know, the the the the Luca situation, Trey, it was like, yeah, what do you do with Trey? And then we started hearing the Sacramento thing and Oh, Scott Perry’s calling. No, no, no, no. We’re not trying to That’s not what we’re doing this time, Scott. No, we’re we’re just talking about what happened in the past. This guy’s still telling us, “Stop talking about Trey Young and the Sacramento Kings.” Damn it. I wish they would stop talking about that. I already made my decision. He sounds like a younger Jerry Jones. That’s a little little East Coast, a little little twang to it, but yeah, not as slow and old as this. Well, yeah, cuz he’s But you know, that’s scenile. Check out my Monday motivations. Oh, he got those. He got those. Uh, Scott Perry, by the way. Huh? 65. No. Uh, not bad. Jesse, you want in on this? Scott Perry. Yep. We’ll go 62. Jesse wins again. Hey, 61 years old. This man’s unbeatable, bro. That’s not even how it goes, bro. This man lose. That one was unbeatable where the guy who won last time gets the second. I thought we had to do it at the same time. You can’t you can’t win. I just threw a little shot up, saw what happened and hey, it went in. What do you want me to do? You can’t win nothing. Threw a little something up in the air and it went in. Well, there’s a game coming back next week. Oh, there definitely is. New season coming back. New season indeed. Um, you know where Scott Perry’s from? Everyone talks about the accent that he has. Mount York. Man’s from Detroit. Oh, Scott Perry’s from Detroit. People talk about Scott Perry like he’s from Louisiana or something. That man from Detroit from New York. From Detroit, Michigan. Um, where’d you go to school? University of Detroit. Jesuit. Never heard of that. It’s probably a big Bill fan. Oregon. Wayne State. Well, this is not the Scott Perry I thought I was looking up. Yeah, I know. I know exactly who you just found. Was he like a congressman or something? Yeah, you have to type in Scott Perry uh general manager or Scott Perry Kings GM and you’ll be able to find him that way. My man from Detroit. Shout out Scott Perry. I did. He does not want us talking about Trey Young. Detroit, Michigan. Do you think that De’ar’s contract deserves to be panned as much as it is? Um cuz again I I and not not that I scoured the entire internet but I I read a lot of positive deserved. I don’t know if it deserves it but it’s it’s the nature of the beast. I mean we’re talking about this this what I always bring up too when I talk about D. We’re talking about guys that’s gonna make 53 55 57 million a year and I got that guy on my team and you talking about I need something else. like I need more, you know, and that’s potentially what people are talking about unless they feel that Wimi and Fox alone, obviously you got the young guys, but those guys can win a championship that they get into a situation two years from now where they’re like, “Oh, they might be in the sweep stakes to go get, you know, KD cuz, you know, they that that’ll put them over the top.” What do you mean put him over the top? This guy making $57 million a year. Now, that’s what happens a lot with sports nowadays. You look at their contract and kind of place expectations based off of that. That’s not necessarily always fair. But we see that a lot with um Carl Anthony Towns. Mhm. Like Carl Anthony Towns is a hell of a basketball player, but I don’t know about 57 57 million. Well, that’s not Carl. That’s every basketball that’s every athlete probably. I think I think it’s good for De’Arra. I think as a number he’s a 24 25 point per game player. I think looking at the Spurs, if WBY turns out who he’s supposed to be, you probably need to add another high like elite level role player, maybe a Derek White type or something like that. But I think if WBY who he’s is who he’s supposed to be, I think Darren will be fine. Darren not Darren not he’s he not putting up 24 night in that role though. He’s going to be at where where I thought he would be dates myself a little bit, but I thought it would be him and Baggley. Baggley would be the 22 to 25 point per game scorer. Fox would be the guy that would put up 18 to 19, nine assists and do it that way. I think that’s where he’s going to be. Hell, they didn’t Bagley over here. Yeah, I don’t think I like that at all. If Fox is around 18 and 19, then that’s going to be a problem. Well, he averaged 19 last year when he started playing with him. Yeah, but all the dynamics and all that stuff. I wouldn’t put too much stock into it. Like I’d imagine Webby at his peak is probably around 28 29. I think Fox can come in around 23 to 25. He can average 25 23 25. Fox is like I think he’s a good enough player like he he’ll stand out enough. I think he’ll get his. I think the Aaron can average 22 to 24 points per game for San Antonio maybe. Cuz if he is like 18 to 19 or 17 to 20, whatever you want to call it, then yeah, you’re going to need someone else. That’s not good enough for number two. What do you think Wimby’s gonna average? 27 28 like Jesse said. Really? Yeah. he can get today. I think he’ll be high be No, I think he could. I don’t know that he will. Well, that’s how I feel about Dearan. I think he can average what you guys are saying. I don’t think that he will cuz open up a lot for De’Arren as well and vice versa. I feel Yeah, like kind of a cheat code. I think De’aran is going to in that situation play more of that point guard role and he’s going to go back to facilitating a little bit more. He averaged 25 26 here as a number one option and a guy that has to score that level to give them an opportunity. Now I think if you put Darren in a situation where I don’t have to do that every night then I won’t. What’s the problem with Darren? We kind of need you though still like he has to. That’s a number two though. I mean for them to be as successful as they want to be. I guess if Steph Castle is who a lot of people think he might be, Dylan Harper, but what’s Steph Castle’s role going to be now that Dear is back there full time? Shooting guard like shoot shoot and lock up on the defensive end. Like you’re going to be the one almost like a a Jub. He’s going to be more offensively aggressive than Dear is. I think so. Huh. Or at the very least, I think and I’m the one who hated De’aran. Like what? Well, no. I don’t even think it’s a bad thing. I just think like he’s going to go more into a a PG type mode and he’s going to look at it where all right I can get mine at any time but he he may believe or maybe told his as coach as the coach might say hey we got to get Steph going you know get Stefon Castle going let’s make sure he cooks and then when Dylan Harper goes hey Dylan I want you to you know be aggressive go to the cup shoot your shot all this other stuff he’s going to look to get these and then Wimy Of course, your win be his look. You shouldn’t be taking 15 shots. You should be taking 17 to 20. Let’s make sure you get yours. You’re not maximizing Darren Fox at that point, though. Like Darren Fox is a lot better than like it’s just running the point and like Steph Castle will get your shots and Harper like I think Darren Fox needs to be a focal point on that team that like what do you what are you paying him for if you’re trying to get like oh like he’s got to be one of the guys though. Yeah. I feel like I feel like Castle and Harper got to kind of take a step back if anything. I think they had a lot of time since securing that number two pick to decide like what do we expect? What do we want? What do we believe that De’Arren Fox can do for us next year? I have to believe they came to a conclusion before offering that contract extension. They expect him to be one of their he’s supposed to be one of their guys. Yeah. If I’m the Spurs, it’s being Fox right now. Like that’s who’s leading us. Yeah, I agree. Do you guys think that’s enough? to what? To win a championship. We’re not there yet. Like we still got like Castle’s got to develop. Um Harbor’s got to develop. You got to see what else you have. But it’s a hell of a good start. Wimby would have to go, you know, beyond 200 eight or whatever nine. It wasn’t even it might have been 20 whatever year that uh the Spurs series was with with with Booby and Mike Brown. Like he gonna have to do that. And I don’t think he’s going to. I’m not too concerned about Fox. This is more so like this team’s going to go anywhere, it’s because of WBY. Like that’s all like ultimately who’s going to I guess fall on and stuff. I think Fox, I think, will do his thing. But if they’re going to get to where they want to, yeah, if WY develops who is, I think they can reach that. You know, there’s a there’s a number of different reasons why I agree with you when we talk about like you had to sign him to that. this whole notion of, you know, signing to a smaller deal and all this other stuff. While it might have been the right move, like I just don’t know if you could have done that. Rich Paul, you know, set, you know, setting the precedent for how you pay these players, you said all this stuff that you wanted them and everything. Um, now when situations change a little bit, it will look funny and it might be bad for business to now reneg on some of the things that you talked about before you got the second pick. So because of that, because the way the game is played, yeah, you you pay him what you probably said you would pay him to start. Do you think Fox is a number two? I do. Yeah, I do. On a championship winning team, Kenny Carowway. Championship contender. Championship contender. Can Can De’Arren Fox is he can he be as good or better than JDub? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I I agree. I think No, I think he can. I don’t know. Like, say what you want to say. Like, what are we doing? I think he can. I’m just not like afraid Mama Fox is watching or something. I think he can. I’m not locked in. I’m not dead set on it the way you guys are. I think he can. I don’t know if it’s I don’t I don’t I don’t know if I’m, you know, bet your life savings. But y’all didn’t think twice. No, because I because I’ I’ve thought about this. Like I I I formed this whole conversation based on the fact like I I I think De’aran like the he is getting there he’s he’s getting destroyed. He the contract that he signed is getting destroyed and I think that’s that’s one unwarranted. Two I think it’s shortsighted. I I I understand what you’re saying on that one. I’m I understand. I’m not 100% convinced he can be the second best player on a championship team. A really good team. Absolutely. like better than the Kings and you know pushing to get into conference finals and all that. Absolutely. Championship. I think he can. I believe in his talent level. Jub better than De’Arren Fox right now. Yeah. And I’ I’ve fought that. I fought that for a while. But Jub is he he he turned some corners in these playoffs. He turned some corners. He he did some things in this in this in this playoff. Now, I was I was I was a little sketchy on JDub. You I’mma give De’Arren a year in San Antonio with Victor Wimyama and that that group before I make that judgment cuz I I I dear like let’s let’s Dear’s a Dear’s a hell of a basketball player. Absolutely. He’s really good on both sides of the floor, too. Absolutely. Absolutely. I don’t know what he’s missing to not be a a you know a number two on a championship caliber team. You just never know what you’re getting with the I agree. But I don’t think that matters anymore. Jay Dub scored like eight points in a playoff game this past postseason. Yeah. Like like like and I and I that that’s been that’s been my I think that’s been everyone’s main frustration with Dear. You’re 100% right. But I think it’s going to be different now because and it’s not going to have the same impact too because he’s not the guy when you’re the guy it stands out when you have a a a 12point night or whatever but Wimby has 41 and 19. Mhm. That might be if he has 29 and 19 thinking about your ass. But right but what if he doesn’t have that? What if Wimy’s in foul trouble and he’s got 22 and seven and you’re still putting up 12 shots? So that happens. So So it depends. Does that happen a dozen times throughout the year or does it happen once or twice? Happens once or twice, you move on from it. 100%. It starts to happen multit where you start noticing patterns. Yeah. That’s that’s that’s the De’arren Fox problem. That’s now San Antonio’s. And it apparently doesn’t matter what position he is on the roster. I I think I think he’s got I think he’s got the the talent to do all of this. I’m just not sold. Even being in the the number two role, I’m not I’m just not 100% like, yeah, it’s for sure going to happen. Not saying that’s what you guys said, but like, oh yeah, for sure he can do that. I I want to see him. I want to I probably want to see him in this role and see if that um maybe helps his game out a little bit or frees his game up a little bit because he doesn’t have the burden of carrying a franchise. He could be a better version of Dear Fox in this situation. I just want to see it a little bit more. You have an alternate theory as to why this deal might have happened the way that it did. M we will discuss that when do and Casey return here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320 Looks like it’s getting hot this weekend. It’s hot this morning. Yeah, it was. It for real was. What’s up, Cole? Co heard JDub and had to check in. I ain’t getting cold in a week. He’s like, “Hey, going on in here. Somebody might have been remember was it Zach Low or was it Kevin O’Connell or maybe neither. I don’t know. But somebody said they think JDub is the best small forward in the league today. Wow. And I had to think about that and I don’t know where I I got to really I got to really think about that. I would say no off the top of my head. He’s not better than Tatum. Thank you. Not better than Tatum. But that might be it. Well, what position does LeBron play? Power forward at this point. Any position he wants to today? Nah, LeBron’s better. LeBron is absolutely better. Let’s see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don’t think he’s the best, but he’s I mean, does that position even exist anymore? Isn’t it just wings? Just wing? Like, what do what do you think Kevin Durant is today? I would say traditionally he’s a small forward. Yeah, I don’t think JDubet better than KD today. Oh, yeah. So, is JD a top three wing in the league then? Now you’re It’s No, because you’re that’s all encompassing. That’s Yeah, two, three, maybe even four. I don’t think Jub better than Jaylen Brown. We love sports media and like sports media news. I have never been more excited to get to a sports media topic than I am this ESPN one from this uh Disney conference call this morning. There’s a lot in there and I don’t know. There is so much in here that I still can’t completely understand. I see it a little different. Maybe just a little different. Well, you’re rich for the rest of us. Why do you always take the corporate side? Yes, you always fine. You don’t take their side, but there’s always a H. Maybe I understand it a little bit. Well, no. No. Damian just said it’s going to get very expensive. I’ve said it’s going to be very expensive to be a WWE fan. Unless I’m There were things I missed. I don’t know how much more expensive than it already is. I do have questions about that too because I think I saw some things where maybe it’s not so it’s bad but not so bad. Okay, that’s so I think I know what you saw and I’m trying to read through it and the wording is extremely specific. So we we’ll we’ll get to that. I think I know what you’re because I’ve heard both and I’m I’m taking it that’s not so bad. We’re all just honestly guessing at what we’re all talking about right now by the way. Yeah, I know. That’s the best part. That’s the best part because I know this is our short block here and there’s no way this is going to be a short discussion. So, we we’ll get to this in 10 minutes for those who just kind of like the business of of sports media. Like, we’ve we’ve got something here and it involves wrestling fans and we talk a lot about wrestling on this show. Um, and they I mean, salute. They got the bag again. They man, they got the bag again. That’s crazy. But we were talking about De’Arren Fox a minute ago. We we weren’t we we landed on De’Arren Fox, but it the conversation started with Trey Young. Trey Young is due the contract that Dearan Fox signed with San Antonio that four years 220 223 229 depending on you know the projections of the salary cap and all that. He hasn’t gotten it. That led to a discussion about the deal that De’aran did get uh which is not being received favorably uh across the the NBA media, led to a discussion about De’ar whether the contract was the the the right move for San Antonio. Uh can De’Arren be a top guy on a championship caliber team and you know all of the different things that you talk about when when a player you know signs that very very rich deal. We call them Kenny Carowway deals in the studio, but not not everyone else does. No idea why you would call it that. You you have an alternate theory as to why this deal might have been so important for San Antonio. Well, I do believe that everything that we talked about, San Antonio made that deal, pay dear what they paid him because um you know, you you’ve I don’t want to say you had a deal in place with Rich already. Rich Paul, but this was this is what was discussed, you know, months ago, maybe a year ago, that this is we want to come here to s uh San Antonio, we want to get the contract extension, the max contract extension we could get. That’s how we want to go about it. And San Antonio may look at it like, or Rich definitely looks at it like, I don’t really care that you got the number two pick. That ain’t got nothing to do with what we talked about. let’s make good on what we’ve already talked about. And San Antonio doing good business in that situation probably said, “Yeah, let’s just do it. It’s it’s it probably creates more problems to do it another way. Let’s just handle it this way.” But I’ve said since we heard about that contract, I was like, “Man, that people would ask the question, they said that that contract is it is it untradeable?” Like, absolutely it’s untradeable. Like I don’t I can’t imagine someone saying, “Yeah, I’mma take on $57 million contract from DM Fox and this is going to get me better. This is what I need to take me over the top.” All this other stuff. Nah, this is this is a borderline untradeable contract. And that’s probably some of the stuff that you’ve read as well. They may not have said that, but they’re like, “Oh, this is crazy for for Dear Fox.” Well, yeah. in the, you know, the back court and the way the back court looks. A lot of that is based on, you know, Steph and I feel like we can’t call him that. There’s a lot of that is based on Castle and and uh Dylan Harper. Yeah. So then I thought about something though and I saw something where it was just like, oh yeah, the Spurs, you know, they’re they’re tied up with all this money and all this other stuff, but you know, they’re still kind of monitoring Giannis after the Kmpo. I said, “Oh, wait a minute. Wait just a minute.” I went to my old spot track. How much is Jiannis? Oh, and to be honest with you, if it ever came to that, a Giannis to San Antonio for Fox, a player in picks, I think, helps everybody involved. If you’re Milwaukee in a year or two, you get a guy like Darren Fox to be the anchor of your new rebuild along with some picks and stuff like that. Good luck. That works. I mean, you can at least you can sell people on it. Now, it might be the best you can do. Okay. Okay. You got to yell at me to sell your argument. I got It wasn’t the trade cuz you’re right. Cuz cuz in the end, we do this all the time. Some of y’all don’t You’re not trading for players. I mean, one team is. The other team’s trading for money. That’s that’s ultimately what we’re talking about. One team wants a player, the other team is just figuring out how to make the money work. The line that got me was anchoring your rebuild. Not anchoring your rebuild, man. I I agree. He’s not. But I don’t know where you get that. He’s the guy who’s eating up salary so you reach reach the floor and and you know he’s a guy who could play you know you’re not you’re not you know you’re able to get a you’re able to get enough you know Devin Vel we learned is under contract till 2040 ever like you could you could get your back court you know you could get a couple of guys and obviously the picks which will likely have little to no value at that point but if Minnesota excuse me if San Antonio’s been able to get picks from elsewhere maybe you’re moving those instead. Like I I hear you. It’s about making the money work. But sure, being in position to acquire a player like Giannis under Dmpo using the De’Aran Fox contract. Yeah, that that absolutely works. Yeah. And I just I think about it works for San Antonio to be clear. Milwaukee at that point is just done, right? They’re out. They’re out. My guess is fine, send the Aaron, but anything else you send back is going to have to be expired 100%. I I mean at that point I don’t even know if we have the money to to like make because because Giannis and it’s also remember Milwaukeeke’s paying for Dame Lillard for like three more years. Well, there’s that. Like just because he’s not on the Milwaukee Bucks doesn’t mean they’re not paying D. That’s a good that’s a good point as well. But the the contracts the numbers are almost like similar and moneywise. Yeah. I don’t think it’s crazy moneywise. So, I don’t even know if they’d be able to take back um a whole lot. I’m trying to I’m trying to see. Yeah, they wouldn’t not a whole lot of money that they would take back in that situation. I want to see what San Antonio has to offer in terms of draft capital. So, let’s just go. Yeah, you let’s just say two years from now, 2028, um they got one first round pick, four second round picks. Mhm. 2029, they got one firstrounder, three like all these years they got basically four picks in every draft. Dear Fox, three first rounders, two second rounders. that would potentially help Milwaukee jump start the rebuild. Sure. Yeah. At that point, De’aran is probably two years into that extension. So, you’re not going to have him for that much longer contractwise. While I agree with you, it’s not like, “Oh, we got Darren.” Remember, the extension doesn’t start this year. Right. Right. So, I’m I’m giving the same year or two. Okay. Okay. And it’s saying like that’s when the trade would be made, but it might not be up to San Antonio. True. True. Could be up to the to the big fella in Milwaukee. Yeah. The the whole thought process, which also that could happen in like a month. It could like that could happen. It could happen in 22 months. We never We don’t know. He says, “I don’t know. We’re going to figure it out.” But the whole thought process for me was like, “All right, yeah, you you sign Fox and if you keep them, you keep them.” That’s good, too. I think they’ve staggered the contracts where it’s not ever really going to hurt them with the rookie deals and Dylan Harper and all this other stuff. But you have that chip there where if if you’re if Giannis ever says he wants out, you might be the one team that has the chip now that has the the assets and the contract to match up. I know you can mix and match salaries, but it gets tough for people to get to well $55 million a year. Well, and just as importantly because of Victor Wimbeyama, whether it’s Giannis, Trey, Tatum, Brown, name another star in the league. When that list of destinations comes out, San Antonio is going to be on it because of Victor Wimyama. Yeah. So, if you’re one of those, we’re going to do right by Giannis, then you’re going to have a conversation with San Antonio. Do you think Deion Fox uh finish that finishes that contract in San Antonio? I do not. I don’t think so either. They could win the championship next year, and I still don’t think he finishes that contract in San Antonio. Um he got it though, so that’s all that matters. Yeah, he did. And I think he’s going to play well under it. Um, for the first time in the Giannis era, excuse me, for the first time in the Wimby era, I really want to watch San Antonio play. Like, I’ve, you know, we we we joked about Wimby’s rookie year. I wanted to watch Wimi play. I want to watch San Antonio play now. Like, and you know, the dynamic, you know, they they’ve they they’re transitioning now. I know Mitch was the coach, Mitch Johnson, right? He he was the coach for bulk of last year. Like, he is the coach now. like the the Greg Papovic era is behind us and while he’s still around, you know, you know, being a figurehead for that team, like this is this is a new version of the San Antonio Spurs. Uh we’ll come back. Um we mentioned Disney made some announcements today. Uh but the 1% sitting directly across from me, they say it’s no big deal. I say it’s difficult for the working man. You’ll get both perspectives. I’m with you, KC. He’s taking the corporate side again. We’ll talk about it next here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320. Here’s Cole. The question is, do we think Fox thinks he finishes the contract? We just said that. What’s up, Cole? How you doing, man? Better than that Yankees bullpen. They give up the lead already. Uh it’s 2-2 now. Yeah. Your boys pitching today. That’s where I turn my attention. Yeah. Are they playing right now? Yeah. Usually if the Reds aren’t aren’t playing, that’s a Yankees hate watch for me. Understand? I watch a bunch of Dodger games. I gota I got to know the enemy better than I know myself. And you know I got them like what you doing? Rangers might have the best uniform combos in the league. Well, I’m partial. Not too crazy, but they’re all good colors. I’m partial to red, which is my second favorite color. So, I’d say the reds. The Cincinnati Reds. Yeah. Yeah. Reds is fire. Reds are more fired than the Cardinals. Yeah, I agree with that. Um, Rangers is fire though. Rangers is fire, man. I don’t even know who has a bad one. I don’t like the Angels. The Rockies are pretty boring. The Rockies might be trash, I What’s your What’s your issue with with purple and black? What’s your issue with purple and black? No, purple and black can work, but the Rockies just do it in the most basic way. Cleaning it up now. Cleaning it up now. What’s your issue with purple and black? Dude, if I think of the Rocky’s purple and black jersey, I think like Troy Tulawitzky or something like it’s it’s all retro. Um, yeah. Well, I mean, I’m partial because I like the color black, but the White Socks. White Socks are solid. They’re just simple clue. Giants. Big big I’m partial there. Partial there. Lauren, keep it real. Kings don’t even wear purple at this point. So, I’ve always I I never really paid attention when show because of the DH rule when he comes out of a game as a pitcher, nothing changes with the lineup. He’s just still in the game. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Which doesn’t seem legal. You took him out of the game. How is he still in the game? If you take if you obviously it’s different because it’s supposed because he’s the DH. He’s he’s the pitcher but he’s also the DH. It’s separate. If you took Freddy Freeman out of the game, he’s out of the game. Well, yeah, cuz you taking the first baseman out of the lineup. I’m not taking the pitcher out of lineup. My DH is still there, which is Show. He’s two. No, we need to regulate this. If if if uh I know the reason why I’m just trying to find a way to make it illegal so he can’t do this anymore. Why do you hate on greatness so much? Talk about showing by the way. Because he’s a Dodger. That’s why. So if he was like a Colorado Rocky would be cool. Oh yeah, it’d be fine. Sure. throw four no hitters. I don’t care. This is like your Costco gas pump thing yesterday. Oh, no. It’s not like No, he’s a Dodger. Like, I don’t want him to succeed. Oh, no. I’m not. No. What are we talking about? No, not at all. You want Aaron Judge to succeed? Aaron Judge can do everything he wants because I know come October October, we know what’s happening. That’s always uncalled for when you do that. Always uncalled for. So yeah, when Showi’s done pitching, get him out of the lineup. How you doing, Damian? I’m great, man. Casey is down bad when it comes to show on the mound. Goodness gracious. He’s Man, I saw I because he’s pitching today. I saw his ERA is like 2.17. I’m like, when did he give up a run? When did that happen? This guy been lights out. been lights out since he went back to the mouth. Uh Disney had a earnings call this morning uh that had so much in it. Some of it we expected. The announcement about the acquisition of NFL Media uh was announced on the call. A couple of it it’s interesting. It’s not just a straight acquisition. The NFL Network, NFL, it’s not really going anywhere. There are things about it that are changing. We’ll get to that in a minute. The thing that we didn’t see coming, though I guess we should have have should have given their relationship with UFC is there had been rumblings that WWE Premium Live Events, formerly known as pay-per-views, were going to be leaving Peacock after uh WWE moved their Monday Night Raw show to Netflix. Well, that was announced today as WWE is moving their PLE’s to ESPN’s new direct to consumer platform, which is being called ESPN. It’s launching August 21st. That was another big announcement today. So, that’s just a couple of weeks away. And that service will cost you $29.99. Now, I have been reading through all of this trying to figure out does it cost me 29? And of course, this is this is brilliant. This is this is the way it worked with the WWE Network. This is the way it worked with Peacock. This is the way it’s always worked. WWE PL uh premium live events will move to ESPN for Wrestlemania 26. You always start with the big dog and Wrestlemania 26 will be available on this ESPN platform. There is no extra charge. It’s not like ordering a pay-per-view. It’s not like you have to pay $29.99 for the monthly service and then pay whatever it costs to watch Wrestlemania or whatever WWE event you want to watch there. But $29.99 is a far cry from the WWE Network, which was $9.99. It’s an even further cry from the Peacock Network, which for some was $5.99. For a while, it was free for some, and for others, it was like $10.99. It is a substantial increase for watching WWE products, for WWE premium products. If you have a cable or subscription, if you have a a cable or satellite subscription, you can log in with your Verizon account, your Direct TV account, and you can authenticate this ESPN app and get it for free. This ESPN app is all of the ESPN channels available in one place. They’re calling it direct to consumer. You don’t have to have YouTube for it. You don’t have to have uh you don’t have to have anything. If you just watch ESPN, you could pay $29.99 to just have all of the ESPN channels. That includes the the the NBA, NHL, W, uh, NFL, includes everything. That means if you’re a wrestling fan and you have YouTube TV, which is not cable, it is not satellite, it is a streaming service. So that means if you watch ESPN and all of the channels that are available on YouTube uh TV, all of the ESPN channels that are available on YouTube TV, you have to double up and get this ESPN subscription to continue watching WWE premium live events. That means you now have a premium live event cost of $29.99 a month. You have a Netflix cost which is Monday Night Raw or or Raw which I think is I guess depending on what you get. I think for me it’s like $25. That one’s going crazy. That doesn’t even include Smackdown yet, which that’s YouTube, cable, like whatever. That’s probably another 60 to 70. You’re starting to look at upwards of $100 to watch WWE content each month. You don’t think that’s a big deal, though? Um, so let me let me get this let me get this straight cuz I was under a different impression and and maybe you saw it differently. Right now, if I go to ESPN um the app Mhm. and I put in my YouTube TV account, I can watch everything that’s on the app. That’s how it is right now. Is it a situation where that is no longer available? Give that to me one more time. If I got YouTube TV, right? Yeah. If he’s gonna use his YouTube TV credentials to watch the ESPN app, right? Yes. Yeah. That’s no longer available. So, this this PR release from ESPN says cable and satellite. To the best of my knowledge, things like YouTube, uh even uh Hulu Live, neither one of those are considered cable or satellite. Those are streaming services. No, YouTube I’m reading it right now. YouTube TV is going to count. Oh, well then it doesn’t matter. Yeah, YouTube YouTube TV will count. Comcast, DirecTV, Hulu Plus, Live. Oh, then it don’t matter because then you get then you get the $29.99. Yeah, because it because it says you can log in with with those credentials. Yeah, Ariel talked about it. If you have YouTube TV, so back to De’Aran Fox, we’re good, boys. I thought that was insane. I was like, how are they gonna they’re essentially they would that would have essentially been bringing back pay-per-view. So, let’s just let’s assume that’s that’s not we never found that out. We just Oh, did I break Kay Fab? Cuz I was Well, no, cuz we Well, no. We got to Okay. As as much as as as haha as the show may be, our information has to be correct. I I I saw cable and satellite and thought that does not include Hulu and YouTube. But let’s just say you don’t have YouTube TV and you’re looking at this like, man, I got to pay $30 a month to watch uh to watch wrestling and watch these PL and everything. I’m also assuming that you already had ESPN Plus, which was already like as is, and you maybe if you had the Disney bundle with Hulu and Disney Plus, I think that’s like $16. $16 to $18 a month. Peacock, like you said, let’s just meet somewhere in the middle and say you’re paying $6 for that already. It’s already $22 a month that you’re already paying. It’s not $30 extra dollars. be like five real quick to that Disney bundle if you want to insert or add this new WWE stuff that’s going up. The Disney bundle is going to be $35.99 if you want Disney Hulu Plus and the new ESPN and it’s $29.99 for the first 12 months for the bundle or just in just the ESPN. So I think for for the bundle, but it that that’s just for 12 months, which means in a year that’s going to change. And I think those bundles are the commercial bundles, aren’t they? Probably. I think one first. Yeah. Like the the those those lower price bundles are always the ones with commercials. So I mean, if you if that doesn’t bother you, it’s whatever, right? But I know the last thing I do if I’m binge watching a show, I don’t want I don’t want like I have the commercial free version of Peacock. If I’m binge watching The Office just for fun, I don’t I don’t want to see a Colgate ad while I’m watching The Office. Shout out to those of us still censoring the commercials. And please show all the commercials. I don’t give it I am not going to pay another $5. That’s right. Yeah, that’s where I put my not get commercials. You keep raising the price on the basics. I’m going to keep paying it, but I’m not paying $5 more at that point. No, you used to spend $8 a day on the vending machine out there, but you’re drawing the line at $5 a month to get rid of the commercials. Yes, it’s principal. No, show show the commercials. It’s fine. What you say with the little thing say a minute 30? Cool. All right, I’ll scroll my phone for you. See? Yeah, exactly. I’m watching on my iPad. You can do a thing where I shorten the screen or whatever. Let me scroll Twitter for 45 seconds. But you got like a premium peacock. Damn. I think that’s kind of going away too if they’re losing. Although Well, no, no, no. As long as The Office lives on that channel, it’s that that network ain’t going nowhere. And as soon as they can acquire the rights of Seinfeld from Netflix, well, even then, uh, they about to get the NBA. Oh, that’s right. The P That’s right. That’s right. And they and they keep putting playoff games on there, too. So, yeah, Peacock is fine. I think there’s rumors they might be doing like actual sports network, too. Yeah, I don’t know how real that is, but they they Comcast has been kind of talking about that, bringing that back because they’re also I don’t know how far they’re in it right now, but they had talked about picking up Major League Baseball. Uh, with this whole thing falling apart between ESPN and MLB, they like NBC jumped in like, “Hey, you need a home, come over here.” um since I think ESPN and Major League Baseball have started talks again, but that ESPN saw those numbers were up. Yeah, man. Boys is cooking. Um so they still might be Major League Baseball still might be on Peacock. So Peacock would be cool. But did did that math work out though? Like I said, like if you were already paying this type of stuff like me, I’m I’m I’m people, right? I would be paying for the bundle already. It’s $25. Well, you tell me this new ESPN in WWE, you know, that goes up now. I’m paying I’m only paying $7 more than what I would. And who knows if I keep the Peacock subscription cuz WWE ain’t there no more. I don’t know how you’re getting the $7 more. Oh, it’s because of the bundle with Disney and Hulu. Mhm. Okay, I see. Even I think they’ve even gone up on years without that for just ESPN Plus. At one point it was $5. I think it’s like $12 now. You know it is. You know where ESPN Plus really destroys you. Like it destroys me is the articles. Oh yeah. They have articles that you have to have the login for. And it’s like the insider. Hey guys, sorry I couldn’t read Sham Shirania’s latest article because I refused to pay $11 a month. Yeah guys, I don’t know what grade they gave the Kings for the offseason. I’m sorry. Yeah, sorry guys. We couldn’t get $10 a month for for Spottrack. We are certainly not going to get $11 a month for ESPN Plus. Now, one of the things that and I think you cleared it up, but one of the discrepancies that some people thought were is it going to be 30 are are you going back to a pay-per-view format with WWE and the and the PLE’s? And it doesn’t seem like that’s the case. That $30 will get you it’s all inclusive with WWE and or their PLE’s and your ESPN app. Yeah. Access. So, that was one thing that people weren’t sure about this morning. And yeah, I mean, it it it is more than you normally were paying, but it’s a few more dollars, less than $10 more. That’s assuming you already had the the the bundle, though. Very true. And if you’ve got if you got the cable or YouTube, like, you’re good. Yeah, that’s what it looks like. That’s what it looks like. We’ll see how that goes. Another big uh announcement from ESPN today was the acquisition of NFL Media. Now, as we said a second ago, it’s not just a completely blanket. They’re just acquiring all these assets. There’s multiple things in play here, including ESPN. Uh that the NFL now owns 10% of ESPN, which what Mike Florio was saying, that’s a slippery slope, huh? Well, I think the fact that they were a partner was already a slippery slope. Well, now it’s just they own them now. Yeah. Like when you go back to the uh man, it was a it was a it was something related to concussions. It was one of the first big launching points for concussions in the NFL. And I think it this sound crazy. I feel like it was like a PBS special and like Bobley, Outside the Lines, they were on top of it and then all of a sudden they weren’t. Just went away. And you remember for a long time, maybe two or three years, there was a theory that the NFL was pissed at ESPN, which is why you got trash ass Monday night football games and every Sunday night football game was fire and it was like, “Oh, okay. I guess someone’s in the in the doghouse.” Now, that’s all conspiracy theory, JFK, Oliver Stone stuff, but it sure as hell added up. Know how the NFL moves. I mean, I don’t think they’re above those questions being asked. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. The most important detail, at least to me, was about the Red Zone Channel. The Red Zone channel will still be owned, operated, and produced by the NFL. It’ll be distributed by ESPN. Um, I don’t think, if I read this correctly, I don’t think they’ll even be able to I don’t think ESPN will be able to put it on this on the platform on the platform. Um, but my biggest fear was Stephen A. Smith popping up on a Sunday afternoon at 1:00 after 10 minutes of commercials uh telling me why the Dallas Cowboys are terrible. It see it sounds like again if I’m I’m reading this correctly uh the Red Zone is still owned, operated, and produced uh by the NFL, but uh the ESPN will have certain broadcasting rights to it. car and that throws those in the chat house is essentially what they’re doing with inside the NBA, right? Uh yeah, I think everyone thinks they know what they’re doing with inside the NBA, but hell, it doesn’t even appear that people on Inside the NBA know exactly what ESPN is doing, right? Um but TN but to Jesse’s point, TNT still operates and produces that show that will air on ESPN. What was really interesting to me about this um as I I started to think about this more, I’m not a complete cord cutter because I have YouTube TV, but I moved on from from cable from traditional cable. And with when they talked about this ESPN situation, I really sat down and thought I was like, I don’t know if I need cable no more. Mhm. Like at all. I thought about the time spent watching YouTube TV and what I watch and it’s nothing that’s on TV. Then I thought about the and if Adam Silver gets his way and those games are off the NBC Bay Areas and all this other stuff that’s another strike against cable. Everything I know for me and others that I want to watch, whether it’s shows, whether it’s old shows, they’re all on these apps. Love Island was on USA, but it was on the Peacock app. I had no idea Love Island was on USA. Maybe it wasn’t. I always saw USA underneath it and I thought it might have showed on there as well, but maybe that’s like reruns or something on USA or something, but it’s on the app. Got Netflix. They’re doing live stuff. ESPN, which consumes a lot of my time, they got their direct to consumer situation. Um, I even learned this morning, uh, Fox is also having a direct to consumer station. Uh, Fox One, I think it’s called, comes out the same day as ESPN, August 21st. August 21st. So, outside of the news, Yeah. Well, like, yeah, kind of going off your point, too. Like, it used to be the TV shows, all right, now that they’re done, they get sent to streaming. Now, it’s the streaming shows when they’re done, like FX is picking them up or True TV is picking them up. Now, you’re getting the streaming shows on cable now. Is it like they’re just dumping stuff there? There’s a scenario HBO, that’s who it is, HBO Max, work through the flaws in this. If you’re just if it’s sports and news, is there a situation where you could have HBO Max and their live programming with this ESPN app and that’s it? The the one caveat is the NFL’s still on traditional TV. No, you’re you’re right. And and and as I’m working through this, Peacock has the NBA, Amazon has both that like you’re is still there. We’re screwed, man. But as far as getting getting away from because YouTube TV right now, we’re like I got the sports bundle, all this other stuff. I think that’s like 90 bucks. If I eliminated YouTube TV and went with the apps, I probably would be saving money. as as many apps as we have and all this other stuff. I’d probably be saving money. If it wasn’t for local news, I think that’s the only thing that really keeps me having TV. Hell, you talk I know we’re in the sports world, but familywise, Ryan don’t watch nothing on YouTube TV. Mhm. Roku has channels on that just show Baby Shark all day. Yeah. Bluey’s on Disney Plus. All that stuff. if it literally wasn’t for or whatever it is, the local news. Check us out on uh CBS 13 Sports Sunday every, you know, every now and then. If it wasn’t for that, there’s no need. And but the NFL is still the one. The NFL still comes on regular TV for all their games unless you have the package. The this the the what? The Hold on. What? Where’s that? Hold on. Unless you got my flag. Where’s my flag? We moved on. Good. It’s all good. I got you. I got you, refuge. I got you, Earl Heapner. I got you right here. No huddle. It’s right here. I went no huddle, bro. I went no huddle. Nah. Snapped the volunteer. Moved it back. No huddle. Oh man. I still wonder if I’d ever just completely give up. I’m sure there will come a time, but give up what? TV. Like TV. Yeah. Be one of them crazy people that live in a van. No TV, no nothing. Well, I bet the uh cable ass live off the grid. You guys see Roger Goodell talking I think this morning while I saw the quote. No. Said the NBA is not competition for us. We’re trying to compete with Google and whatever insert big company. I’m I’m sorry. What are you competing with Google against? That’s what he said. He’s just saying companies. Roger. What are you talking about, bro? You sound like Vince McMahon. Sit down and shut up. He’s just saying companies at this point. We’re competing against Google. What? Don’t act like you don’t understand the spirit of the question either, jackass. Goodness gracious. We’re competing against Google. The the Yeah. Hold on. He said, “We’re not competing against the NBA or MLB. Our competitors are Apple and Google. What? What are you talking about? What is he referring to? What are you talking about? Maybe he’s talking about money. All right. Okay. He knows that that’s not what that question was framed around. I think I think he was just trying to big dog the leagues real quick. He probably was. Vince McMahon did that stuff for years. Yeah. You’re like, “No, WCW is in our Ted Turner’s wrestling company isn’t our competition. We’re we we make movies.” All right. All right, big dog. All right, you got it. You got it. Uh, go ahead, Raj. Yeah, right. Go ahead, Raj. Uh, the, uh, if they ever figure out what to do with these these sports, the team stations like NBC Sports, California, Bay Area, all this other stuff. That might be it for But here’s the But here’s the thing, though. like at some point like when is an too much too much? I’ll I’ll say this like if like if like if like if let’s let’s I absolutely believe Adam Silver’s wet dream is these personalized streaming things like a Kings app that you can watch anywhere with your subscription thing. That’s that’s absolutely what I think he wants. And the league can help the Kings. The league can help the Lakers. The league can help the Blazers sell ads, sell uh uh entitlements, all of the things that have a a a universal sales package that comes with team specific uh channels. That might be great for Adam Silver, the NBA, and maybe probably even the Sacramento Kings, but what’s it mean for us? Is that something else that we have to buy? It probably is. But here’s the way that I look at it. And once again, maybe my me and Mark Jones outlook on spending money isn’t the best, but it’s the worst. But I have all this stuff already. All the NBA and Major League Baseball has to do is not exceed $100, which is what I’m paying for YouTube TV. If they come with a a a sports league pass situation that doesn’t exceed $100 and allows me to get rid of cable, I’ve won. I’m saving money from what I’m already doing. But you’re So So you’re So So the hell with Jake Gayen, the hell with Matt George. That’s why I keep That’s why I That’s why I keep it cuz those are my guys. Also CNN is gone. Like all of the news channels are gone. You can stream all those. That’s on HBO Max. Yeah, you stream all those. It’s literally But that but it’s not free. No, but I’m already paying for it. I’m on on You have HBO Max with the live channels. Uh I don’t watch them there. No, no, no. They No, that’s extra. Well, I don’t know. The live channel the provider then. Maybe if you got the YouTube TV provider because that’s how I got HBO Max through my provider or whatever. I got the live channel. Maybe that’s the provider is gone. You don’t have it. Once again, you gota from the way I look at it here. If you come in under the first apron of $100, if you come in under $100, I’m saving. Say, say, say I don’t, say I don’t, say I get max through the provider right now. Say I get it through a provider. And they get I get rid of the provider and now I got to pay $10 a month for Max. If I’m paying $10 a month for Max, if I’m paying $20 a month, $10 a month extra. because you always have you’re already subscribing to HBO Max. You’re paying $10 extra for the live channels. Sure. So, let’s say $15. If I’m getting Let’s just say it’s five because you said extra because right now I’m not paying for it. I have it because Right. So, HBO Max will say it’s $20. Now, you’re going to pay 35 for it. Hear what I’m saying? If I have if I have HBO Max free through the TV provider, I get rid of the TV provider, which is $100. Now I’m paying for Max. That’s 10. Now I pay for the NBA thing. Let’s just say that’s 20. I’m at 30. I’ve gotten rid of 100. You’re a sweetheart for these prices, but keep going. I That’s That’s 30. I get Major League Baseball situation. That’s another 20. I’m at 50. If that’s it, I’ve saved $50 because I’ve gotten rid of the $100 that I’m paying and I got And how are you watching the NFL? I I don’t know. Well, I could probably watch it on the uh on the uh on the NHL or NFL app. I think you can watch the local stuff on there, but that’s which is about what? $120. Well, no, but to your point, it’s also through the TV provider. But the TV provider is gone, right? So, but say that’s another You know what this sounds like? This sounds like Shaq’s gas conversation. No, it’s really that’s what this is. This is math. This is Shaq getting gas. It’s 100% simple. I don’t understand how you don’t recognize it. Okay, go to commercial. We We’ll come I I guess I don’t I don’t get it. Go to commercial. If I got We’ll No, hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Okay. I’m putting $20 of gas on Friday instead of $80. Saving money NFL plus. I don’t think you get to watch the game till after. No, you Yeah, you you gota live. Um, I think the reason why I can watch what’s in my region is I think it’s because I’m signed I’m signed in or it’s connected to the TV provider cuz like on my app on my app I can go to the NFL app and whatever game is on Fox I can watch on my phone. Oh yeah. On the NFL app but I think it’s connected somehow. Why haven’t we just gotten the um the super box? What? I said why haven’t we gotten the super box? That’s crazy. What? That’s crazy. Comes with everything. That’s crazy, bro. That’s crazy. And look, I don’t know. I don’t know nothing about that, bro. I don’t know nothing about that. I don’t know nothing. I don’t look I pay for my TV. I don’t know what you’re talking about, big dog. I just heard there was this magical box out there. I heard it, too. I I I refuse to partake after I heard it’s not legal. I heard it’s not exactly legal. So, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I mean, the way I watch fights isn’t legal either. That’s why Dana White’s coming to get your ass. I got a guy too. Got a guy too. I don’t think he’s think it’s a little bit more expensive than that. So Kenny’s teaching us about financial responsibility. So check it out. YouTube TV. I got YouTube TV. Let’s just say you pay $100 a month for YouTube TV. Like, man, it’s getting too expensive. I’m getting rid of this $100 bill. Now, because of that, I can’t watch HBO Max because I was signed into that. ESPN, I’m signed into that. um the base the baseball the NBA package. I I got to go get that on my own right now. I’ve eliminated $100 a month. If HBO Max cost me $10, that’s $10. If ESPN Plus cost me 30, that’s a total of $40. If MLB pass cost me $25, I’m now at $65. From what I was already spending, I’ve saved $35 to $40. Is that correct? Sure. That’s this this isn’t the shack situ I’ve I’ve said now where you get into a situ This is what I was talking about. If if you can stay under $100, like, yeah, you’re winning. But if all the subscriptions after like not having free subscriptions because of YouTube and all this other stuff, get me to the point where for those subscriptions I’m paying $150 a month, now I’ve eliminated the $100 that I was supposed to be saving and I’ve added $50. So now I’m in the negative. As long as those subscriptions keep me under a hundred, I’ve I’m actually saving from what I’m already paying. How How is there an HBO Disney Plus Hulu bundle? Well, they’re all working together. Where did that come from? They’re all It’s all conspiracy against us. Disney, Hulu, and HBO Max, will cost $29.99 without ads. Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Here we Oh, wait a second. Now, now, okay, wait a minute. Now, now we get rid of all of that. Mhm. And we just go to HBO Max and live sports and CNN stuff. That’s $20.99 a month. What What is It’s HBO Max and and what else? It’s HBO Max and then you get NBA TV uh or excuse me, NBA on TNT. You get uh baseball on TBS. Uh, you get the NHL on TNT. You get the Do you get the Turner channels? Basically, you get CNN to make sure I don’t get that bundle. NBA is not even on TNT anymore. They’re just scamming me right in front of my very eyes. Hey, sign up. You can get NBA on TNT. Yeah, it’s still on there. They scamming me. The the other aspect of it too is because Kyle says you’re not staying under a hundred. Where’s Kyle at? I can’t find him. But he says uh you’re not staying under $100 in that situation. Me personally, and I think a lot of sports fans too, the whole point is you already have subscriptions to this stuff. Some of it you get free because of your TV provider. Some of it you just subscribe to. like ESPN Plus and ESPN Insider I subscribe to cuz it’s for work and I like watching the stuff on there. So I would say half the stuff you already kind of subscribe to if you’re able to eliminate cable and I wonder so you know you know this also doesn’t include stars uh uh but stars is also an extra charge on your YouTube TV. There’s al some sacrifice you got to make. Yeah, stars. You might not. But you’re already paying for stars because that what is it? $10 a month on YouTube TV. Yeah, it’s $10. You get the app. It’s $10. It’s $10 on the app. That’s what I mean. Like like So that’s a I don’t see any way that stays under $100. Why? Peacock is $13.99. Netflix is $24.99. And Netflix doesn’t count. Netflix doesn’t count because you’re you’re already paying for it with the cable subscription. Like you’re already paying for Netflix. That doesn’t go into the $100 that you’re saving. The $100 that you’re saving goes into like HBO Max. I have HBO Max right now because of the How much does your two YouTube TV cost? It’s like it’s literally like a hundred. Like $9,800. I have stars on there too, so that that affects it. But right now, I technically don’t pay for HBO Max because I have the TV provider. If I got rid of the TV provider now, I’d have to factor that in there. Netflix, whether I have TV provider or not, I have to pay that. So, that doesn’t go into trying to stay under $100. I’m already paying that. I think Peacock is like that too, right? Like that TV provider. No, that’s separate. I don’t think I I don’t I don’t have I I don’t think so. I used to have Peacock used to be free from like Verizon or one of my Comcast one of the internet things that went away. Uh I’m trying to I’m trying to look to see what all of my subscription things cost. I can’t even find all of them. Damn baller. Do we get recess after that math class? Yeah, that was that was tough, man. That was brutal. Absolutely. If I look Let me I’m I’m going to my July transactions. Let me go back to the beginning. This one actually has a nice little feature on it. A little easy feature. Netflix $24.99. Man, I I I can’t even read the way you got $10.99. $12.99. That’s That’s Stars. Oh, this. You ain’t getting TV for under $100 at this point. You just gota I pay for this streaming service. So and so pays for this one. But I get their password. They got my password. No, you’re not getting TV for $100. But right now, right now, you’re paying here’s here’s how you put it. Right now, for everything that you watch, you’re probably paying like $250. If you’re able to eliminate $100 with YouTube TV, so now you eliminate $100, you’re paying $150 a month for TV that you watch, Netflix, all this other stuff. If you can get all these other little apps without getting back to 250, you’ve saved money that you were already spending. Got it now. So, no one sees the correlation between Shaq and the gas and Kenny’s math. No, cuz this actually makes sense. Okay. Shaq also said, “No, this makes sense.” But well, Shaq was wrong. Actually, I understood the basis of what Shaq was saying. I just don’t think it works that way. It absolutely doesn’t work that way. It was one of the most insane things someone ever said on television with that level of confidence before. Shout out Shout out John Bull. This is about as August 6th as it gets. Peak off season is debating cable packages. Look, I see all this stuff that I have right now. Okay. I have League Pass. This is a sham. I got Red Zone Sports Plus. Yeah. So, they put Red Zone in a tier where you have to pay $20 for 15 other channels you don’t want. You just want Red Zone. And I got stars. If I Yeah. This is about $100 all together. All right. So, so with that, your your monthly bill is $100. Yeah. So, with that, I’d have to get Stars by itself, which is $10, NBA league pass, and that actually probably be the same because it’s just connected. Um, I wonder how many people crash their cars listening to this segment. Bro, we’re doing math. I hate this. Yeah, I’m trying to help y’all out. It’s not You’re It’s not working. I have a bad I chose to tell you. This is worse than James talking about the collective bargaining. Super hypothetical because this was You can’t get rid of TV yet. You still got your local news stations and you still got the Kings and the Giants playing on on those channels. I chose this job so I didn’t have to do math and look where we are. Although I think yeah, there are apps where you could watch those game the legal ones. Like I remember you used to be able to stream Giant anything on NBC Sports, whatever. You could stream that on the NBC Sports app with a login or you could pay for it, too. Oh, I’m I didn’t I used to do it with the login or still do it, but Yeah. All right. No, just like I said, trying to trying to save the people a couple dollars. Yeah, please do not follow. Hey, you listen to this man’s sport a couple dollars. Follow this. You want to follow this man’s advice? 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Grab you a couple bottles for the weekend. Yeah, man. I think they’re available at certain nuggets, too. Like I, you know, if you if you’re in the Roseville area, there’s a there’s a there’s a a nugget store all like on every corner. Go check that. Go check those spots out. Look for Baker Family Wines. You’ll recognize the baseball stitch right away and um partake in some responsible uh beverage consuming this weekend. CJ says CBS 13’s on Paramount Plus. I didn’t know that. That’s another subscription. I actually pay for Paramount Plus. I forgot about that. You could watch football games on there. You could watch a lot on Paramount Plus. Like the CBS games. Yeah, you could watch a lot on there. And I would assume uh Oh. Uh oh. because I would assume with Fox’s new uh thing, you could probably watch the Fox games on there. Here we go. Well, are we at $100 yet? I don’t know. Hey, shout out Jake. $25. Jake hit me up yesterday. He must have been listening to Run It Back cuz he he hit me up. He was like, “Hey, man. Just to give you a heads up, that flight from Sacramento to Newark gets canceled all the time.” Oh, man. And he was like, “The JetBlue one’s better.” I was like, “I don’t think that JetBlue flight exists.” He was like, “I’m taking it tonight. It exists.” Oh, it’s back. No, it’s seasonal. So, it doesn’t run in I think uh November, December, or January. We’re going to New York in Christmas. So, when I did the search, I couldn’t I couldn’t find it. I searched it yesterday. You talk about taking a knife and just carving your insides out. Not only is that flight available, I mean, to go to direct to to JFK. Yeah. It’s like 500 bucks. Wait, the one the JetBlue flight because it’s available right now. It’s not available in November, December, or January. It’s a seasonal flight. That’s where they scaled it back. So that’s whack. Come on, JetBlue. Shout out Jake. He took the flight yesterday. He was like, “Hey, stupid.” Shout out back, by the way, too. Still going strong. Hey, shout out running back. Big ups. running back beats a lot of first round programming. It’s always my favorite when people call in like during running backs. Oh, I got something to say. Oh, sorry. This is not the real show, bro. Call back tomorrow. But we appreciate you. We do always. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Um 91691320. If you have any questions about Casey’s math, man, you can you can hit us up. He’ll be he’ll be happy. Perfectly fine. Like when Chris used to try to help me in high school. This is literally add and subtract. There is no calculus going on here. It’s simple. Whatever you say, pal. It’s simple as it gets. You’re all right. What’s better, math? Casey math or Steiner math? No, not that. Steiner math is crazy. Steiner math is crazy. That’s some calculus right there. I mean, we are like when you like like this ESPN plus this ESPN app. This is this will be an interesting thing to watch. like this is, you know, we we it’s, you know, Fox is fine, Paramount, like that’s cool. When you’re ESPN and you’re like, “Hey, here it is. Here’s what we have to offer you.” Like HBO has done that, but HBO’s always been a premium. Like, you always had to pay for HBO. It’s always been a premium channel. ESPN is, you know, packaging all of their content and putting it together in one place. There’s sometimes you can’t even get all of ESPN’s content. Well, see, so this is what I was wondering when I and I’m still wondering this right now. You’re you’re you’re putting this together as if this this new venture that we have to charge you $30 a month for. And I’m sitting here as somebody who subscribes through actually I think it’s not through the TV provider. I actually have the the subscription because I have the Disney Plus joint and everything too. And that’s like $12. $125 a month. And I’m like, “Okay, what’s different?” What am I getting that’s right now on ESPN Plus? I can watch Euro League basketball. I can watch anything that they have to offer on ESPN Plus. And they’re like, “Hey, you we got this new service and it’s going to be $30 a month and you can watch all our programming. I can already do that.” So, you’re just upping this thing $15 for no reason. You’re not giving me the NFL. You’re not giving me NBA basketball games or a league pass type deal. You’re not giving me anything more than what I already have. Now, you got WWE, I guess. Is that worth $15? Maybe. I don’t know. But that’s the only difference. Even if I was into this type of stuff, UFC, I still got to buy a pay-per-view. I think they are creating. So, I I think one thing that could really really be interesting with this is they’re creating one stuff will be on demand. Two, they’re creating what they called a personalized sports center. So, a lot of time when you create a I think this happens with the ESPN app, it’ll say what’s your favorite sport, your favorite teams. I don’t I don’t remember if it has players or not, but it definitely has sports and teams. And I think the idea is they’re going to create highlight reels that are based on your preferences. Um I don’t, you know, you obviously there’ll be a narrator to that just like when you go to NBA uh uh NBA.com and you watch like a the quick two-minute clip. There’s there’s a narrator to that. Mhm. Um I don’t know that you’re going to get a fiveminute breakdown from, you know, Scott Vampeld or Tim Leggler or whoever, but I I think they’re trying to do things with this app outside of just putting all of their channels in one place. I’m also a bit confused about the UFC thing. Are they doing away with pay-per-views and UFC? No. Right now UFC, you get like the prelims and all this other stuff, but for the pay-per-view event, you pay for the pay-per-view. Pay for the pay-per-view. Okay. Do you watch the ESPN Plus app often? Never. Yeah. That’s why I’m listening to this and I’m like, never. This is not worth $15. $15 more dollars. I have everything in the I can I can watch all the shows that they have. I can watch all the 30 for30s that they have. I can watch all the games. They’re on demand and live. College sports, college, uh, high school, all I have all this already. Why are you charging me an extra $15 again? WWE, pal. I don’t know. ESPN is like, “Yeah, we’ve got this new app where you can watch all our 30 for30s, all our original programming, all games from college to pros all over the globe for $30. I already do that.” 30. You know, you know what the thing that might be truly scary about the $30 is that might set a new price point. M like these these these I I remember Apple has this thing called I I can’t remember what it’s called but it’s like Apple Premiere where you get like uh cloud storage, you get um the Apple News app, the arcade app, and the um music, Apple Music. And they there’s three different tiers, but they position them perfectly. All I want is Apple Music and Apple News. If you get them separately, it equals what you wind up paying anyways, right? You can’t get and they’re smart. They separate at they that you can’t like, oh, you can get the first tier, but news isn’t going to be in there. Oh, you can get the second tier, but Apple family music isn’t going to be in there. Like, they position it to where you just wind up getting the I think it was 1999 when this started a couple of years ago. That is $37 now. And the funny Woo. This is going to be a of a contract negotiation. The funny thing, Apple one, thank you, Bryce. The funny thing about all of this is the cost of living has skyrocketed. Salaries have not. What people make has not increased at the rate in which it cost to live and you have to start making cutbacks. You have to start getting rid of things because you used to be able to afford all of them. But because all of these prices have gone up, all of this inflation, all of these tariff removes, all of these different things have drove the prices up. Meanwhile, your company is starting to lean on artificial intelligence and driven your salary down. Like, at what point are we just going to be extinct? I’m dead serious. Like, at what point did they go closer to realize? No. Things were great on Earth and then inflation and humans couldn’t survive anymore. Artificial intelligence took over. The robots came. The aliens, you know, popped off off that hill and it was over. half joking about it, but they these robots will build things like you would think at some point like all right well maybe the physical labor is something that you would keep humans around for. They’re these robots are building stuff. The you hear yourself the physical labor. You’re right. The physical labor is what they’re going to keep humans around for. You know what they’re going to do? Pay them minimally. What’s that sound like to you? Yeah. You hear what I’m saying? Well, to your point of being extinct, they’re getting the robots to do the physical labor. Like before it was just a like you think about AI could answer a phone and be in a in a call center or something like that. You could you could uh automated services. So now you’re eliminating people that answer the phone. They getting these robots to eliminate anything that building building stuff, putting um whatever physical that you can think of. They’re get they’re trying to get these robots to do that. So, to your point, what do you need us here for anymore? Well, well, soon enough, they won’t. They won’t. Um, my man said to me, “Hey, you know, times are, you know, times are tough right now.” You’re goddamn right times are tough. Yeah, they absolutely are. I got like a family of five all of a sudden. Every trip to the grocery store is $350. God forbid we go to Costco and it’s $700. Bro, you want to go to McDonald’s? That’s $50 to $60 every trip to McDonald’s. We cooked, man. You got five. You probably got that’s another $12 mill. It’s crazy. Um, Fox one, the Fox Dear, we back to Dear’s contract. Full circle, everybody. We’re back to De’aran. That’s going to be $20 a month. Once again, I have the the Fox Sports app on here and I read the oh, you know, kickoff for the NFL season and, you know, news programming that appears on its broadcast and cable TV channels. I already do that. Wh why why are you charging me 20 month $20 a month for this? Then I can already do that. Or if I want it standalone without the subscription service, it’s like $7. Now you’re charging me 20 and telling me you’re like no all this stuff that you can do like it’s brand new like no I already could do this. I don’t don’t tell me it’s just a price hike at this point. Don’t try to trick me like oh no you don’t understand this new it’s the same damn thing. No, this new got a personalized sports center. King Hey, hey, Kings fans, guess what? You can finally watch highlights on something that’s related to ESPN. Look, they don’t even show them on the air. You You click Kings and it just comes up. Air. Just an error message pops up like, “Hey, sorry, man. That ain’t gonna happen.” Yeah, I remember when uh when ESPN Plus was $5, though. And you’re right, they do get you on the on the article thing, too, though. Yeah, that’s the that’s the killer because you can’t read Shams. Really, the one that kills me is you can’t read Bobby Marks. You can’t read Bobby Marks without having that log in there, man. Guess what? I tell Bobby Marks, I pay your salary like a act like a fan. Hey. But hey, Shams, I pay your salary, bro. Oh man, that’s what they did to Winhorse in New York. Oh man, that’s awful. That was wrong. That was so awful what they did to Wendy. Just terrible. I’m watching this Giant, not Giants, this Dodgers Cardinals game and there was a runner on second place. Is Show pitching? Is that why you were fussing earlier or was he pitching today? And he hit a two-run home run today. What a bum, huh, man? Hit a two-run homer. Judges over for three today. Okay, he’s hurt. One for three, excuse me. One for three, excuse me. One for three. Chill out. Walk two. Um, and the there was a runner on second and he steals goes to steal in third. There’s a right-handed batter in the batters box. Cardinals catcher gets up, tries to gun him out at third base, hits the bat, the ball go the ball goes flying somewhere and the guy goes to third and then comes home. I don’t think I ever seen that. It’s the bat. What’s the score in this? 3-1 Dodgers. But it’s not it’s not hitter interference cuz he has a right to stay in the box in the uh batters box. That was a calamity of errors. Calamity. It’s always funny to me when you use that word. We’ll come back. Um, let’s dip into the NFL a little bit. We really did two straight segments on ESPN Plus inflation and just generally being poor. You did a segment on Kenny Nomics. Kenny Nomics was wild. Kenny Nomics. Kenny Nomics was wild. Uh, let’s go to the NFL because the Browns have made a decision. It’s got people asking questions and Jerry’s still talking this time. I think he really got our attention. God damn it. You’re right. I am. More of that ahead here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320. Yeah. I’m sure we’ll hear from Jerry. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Brandon, there’s nothing crazy about it, bro. I saw you message me this earlier. Ain’t nothing crazy about it. I love I love those girls. I’ve never had kids in my home. I’ve never had anyone to take care of. And I love those girls. And I love Katie. So why wouldn’t I take those kids on like they mine? Those are my girls. Nah, I need to hit up Kyle about that. Um I’m sure Yeah, we’ll we’ll we’ll go over that. Um, I think I think we’ll we’ll talk with Miller and Bill for a little bit and then once they leave, I think we’ll have a little a little talk amongst us, kind of go over some things. Yeah, saw that. That was kind of crazy. Yeah, I thought that was pretty wild. Um, God, Zbo, that’s funny. That’s become a nickname, so I appreciate that. That’s funny, man. It’s pretty It’s pretty dope. And I got a wide spectrum of girls in that house, too. Can you even upgrade a phone plan anymore? I feel like they’re all the same at this point. Oh, that’s K. Kyle, please don’t do that. I’d appreciate it if you never ever did that. I’m laughing. I looked at the Ring camera. I was like, “What is this person delivering?” Yeah. It said two minutes ago, “Man, you McDonald’s for all those people in your house.” I’m thinking, well, we don’t eat McDonald’s. It’s no big deal. I’m pretty sure they just have McDonald’s delivered. McDonald’s top. Shout out to the spicy chicken sandwich. Spicy deluxe. They do have a $6 meal deal. That’s a good look. Yeah. Pick me up a flail fish the other day. I stab him on that route. Let’s see what TC talking about. It don’t ever miss. 91691320. TC. What’s happening, baby? What’s up with my two brothers? What’s up, TC? How you doing, bro? Hey, just vibing, man. Just vibing. So, hey, I’m Man, I’m at the point, right? I I guess it’s a staring contest. I’m hearing I’m I’m hearing all y’all talk about it and I guess we just falling back on the uh on the on the whole Kaminga deal. And I right now as we talk, bro, I think I stand on that, man. As far as unprotecting that first, right, just to get the guy in. I I I know how everybody’s feeling, but to me that’s not an overpay, bro. If you getting a guy in that you that you like a wing athleticism that you believe that can help this team that actually from a King standpoint, we need that type of player, bro. So unprotect the pick, bro, and get the deal done, man. And then we assign him to a contract. In my opinion, this whole stare stare down, stare off and all that, bro. It’s wasting everybody’s time. I love Scott. I love BJ, but at the same time, we got to get past this staring contest, bro. Unprotected and get the deal done. Okay. I think there’s more to it than that, TC. I I’ll also say I don’t I don’t think anyone’s off the Kaminga deal. I just don’t know what there is to say today, right? I mean, we hey, we can manufacture a conversation with the best of them. I don’t know what else to say about Jonathan Kaminga. We have cut and pasted NFL topics that we planned on because Sham said something, because Sam said something, because Mark Spears said something, because Mark Spears called like we I I don’t know what to say. Um, I think it’s probably I I I I I’m with Sam’s. I actually I’m leaning closer to Sam’s original report that he he he kind of walked back like, you know, we can interpret things our own way, but he said on the morning roast, I think if the Kings, you know, took the protections off that pick, this deal would be really close to being done. He didn’t say it would be done, right? He didn’t say that. That’s the sole hangup, but he said this probably be a lot closer to being done. The other note of that is if if if the follow-up reports are accurate and they want to stay under that apron and want to move one of those other guys, it’s been difficult to move in this market. The idea that the Warriors can just up and trade either Buddy Heield or Moses Moody, I don’t think is I I I I don’t think we’re paying attention to what’s happening, right? To what the league looks like. And trades outside of ones that are in the three and four million range, the vet minimum range, those haven’t really been much of a thing. Yeah, I agree. is I there is an aspect of um whether I agree or not or how I would go about it. I understand not wanting to give up unprotected picks in this situation. I also understand I think Matt George has talked about this um a couple different times. If you’re the Sacramento Kings, you may feel like we’ve already bent on our stance a couple different times. Like, why do we have to keep on going? Like, there there comes a point where it’s like, I’m not doing this no more. Mhm. I’m not like this is the offer. If you don’t like it, that’s fine, too. you can go on and move on with your day, but I’m not going to keep um giving in and giving in and giving in to the point where it becomes potentially a bad deal for me. So, we don’t know how many concessions, if any, the Kings have already made up until this point. Maybe they’ve changed their their offer two, three times already and they got to the point where it’s like, I’m not doing this no more. Mhm. So, yeah, and that’s what we’ve seen that the Sacramento Kings have increased their offer. We don’t know if that was a Saridge Carter offer that changed to Malik Monk, if it was Malik and it didn’t include a pick. We we we don’t really know that the the different minations of all of that. Um, but I know uh one of the reports is that the Sacramento Kings that the latest offer that the Sacramento Kings made was an increased offer from a previous one. at this point, show me a better offer. And that’s why I think Scott Perry has gotten so much praise from the likes of Mark Spears, Sam Aim, to a certain degree. He doesn’t have to do anything, right? This probably these probably aren’t waters. He thought he was going to be able to dip his toe in, but there is a unique situation involving a restricted free agent and a basketball team that doesn’t want him. There probably is a certain and I know Mark Spears brought this up with us as well. There probably is a certain hesitancy on the half behalf of the Golden State Warrior. They don’t want to do a deal with Sacramento. Not that Sacramento is a threat to them. Not that they probably just don’t want to do anything right that helps this Sacramento franchise. 100%. I think that plays a big role in it too. I think um you know we’ve talked about this. If if it was any other team that had Jonathan Kaminga or if it was any other team going after Jonathan Kaminga, would a deal already be done by now? Well, would a deal the likes of Malik Monk and a protected first round pick? Because we we know Phoenix is making a move, but Phoenix doesn’t have as strong of a move to make. Right. Right. And like if I I believe if Chicago gave you the type of deal that the Kings are giving or offering the Warriors right now, deal might be done by now. He’s in the Eastern Conference. Doesn’t you don’t have to watch him four times a year, couple times in your own arena, all this other stuff. If things, you know, go go go super bad for you. talking about the Warriors, you can only see them every other every two times a month, two times a year, excuse me. Um, the fact that it is the Kings, I think, plays some some part into why things haven’t been done. Let’s talk a couple of things uh that are going on in the NFL. James Ham is going to be with us coming up um at the top of the 3:00 hour. That Kenny math is much of a headache as it gave me and it gave me a shoot headache. Boy, this show was flown by. I looked up like, “Oh, James gonna be here in 45 minutes.” I’m still It’s like that. It’s the scene in in Hangover where all of those numbers just are flashing before his eyes at the at the at the at the table. Like that’s that’s what’s going on. That’s too many numbers. It is It is simple. It was simple. Keep it real, bro. Like I got your back all the time. There was nothing simple about that. It was 100%. No, you were like this and then you carry this over and then you had this streaming service with the stars and you lost me. No, it was it’s just it was very simple. If you once I’d say it in two seconds, if you’re paying $250 or $250 a month and you eliminate $100, you have to pay for streaming service. If you can find a way to pay for the things that you want to want to watch without giving back the $100 that you just took off, that’s saving money. I’d rather go drown myself than have this conversation. Don’t do that. Jesus. So, Shador Sanders, huh? Shador Sanders, by all accounts, is going to start the first preseason game for the Browns. Is there a preseason game tonight or is that tomorrow? Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah, I think three games tomorrow. Okay. Catch the Raiders on 1320. There we go. There we go. Seahawks. There we go. All right. Um, a lot of people are uh crying foul when it comes to Shador starting tomorrow’s game. Uh, many think it’s a setup to make the young man look bad. right now by at at least I I think I saw this from Florio a couple of days ago. Joe Flacco is listed number one on the depth chart. I don’t see a single scenario where Joe Flacco plays a preseason game, but he’s listed as number one on the depth chart, but they’re putting Shador Sanders out there for this first preseason game. You think there’s something you think there’s something off to that? Uh I didn’t think about it when I initially heard it. Um, but hearing guys like Lewis Riddick talk about Nas’s setup situation because he hasn’t been getting the same amount of reps with the first team throughout training camp or throughout practice. Like, it’s got my attention. Absolutely has my attention now in in a negative way. Um, I I Shadore, what’s the what what would there’s I think there’s a number of questions in here. Why would this be a a bad thing for Shadore? So, the where he’s at on the depth chart, he’s not getting that many reps in practice. Mhm. So, you throw him out there in a game where he’s getting all the reps and there are just things that he hasn’t seen, progressions that he hasn’t been able to to make or decisions that he hasn’t had to make or been able to make in practice. So, you get into a game situation and like Lewis Rick was talking about um you make a ill-advised pass or the coaches come back to you, hey, why didn’t you check down right here? This is what this called for. if if the X is over here and and the safety’s going over there, you know, it’s an automatic look here, but you didn’t do that. And he’s like, well, I haven’t had the reps, I haven’t had the opportunities to be able to experience these type of situations and make these type of decisions. And what the Browns would say is like, ah, he’s just not seeing the field. We can’t play him. Well, yeah, you haven’t. This is literally the first time I’ve ever seen this. Maybe if I would have had double the reps in practice, uh, I’d be better prepared to be able to deal with these situations better. But you guys haven’t played me in those situations in practice. So, it’s all new to me. I’m sure if he gave me another opportunity, I’d handle it differently. But now that he might not even get the other opportunity, but it’s Sorry, Jesse. Is his situation though any different than any other normal fourth stringer? like Kenny Picket, Dylan Gabriel been hurt, Joe Flacco is not playing priestess and they just so that’s Tyler Huntley. So like Shador is next in line. That’s the that’s the kind of interesting caveat to this is what Jesse just laid out with the injuries and Flaco just being old. The other note to that is like they don’t have a Joe Flacco’s listed as number one on the de depth chart. Uh, Shadore is listed as number four, but they truly don’t have a starting quarterback yet. They believe Joe Flacco is their starting quarterback, but these guys are getting some version of reps. All all four of those guys are getting some version of first team reps when they practice going through those injuries and then the Flacco situation. you kind of just landed on Shadore and and that’s where I’ll kind of and I also don’t know what the benefit is for the Cleveland Browns to make Shador look bad. You don’t have a quarterback. If your quarterback was Patrick Mahomes and you’re putting Shador out there in this situation, I think you’d have a little more legs on the conspiracy front. You have Joe Flacco. Any one of those guys Jesse just named, including Shadore, could wind up being the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. You as a football team, as Kevin Stfansky, the head coach, you need to find out who the hell that is. I see this because if it’s not Flackaco and and not only if it’s not Flaco, but if the idea that it is Flaco, you think Flaco is playing 17 games for you this year, 18 games for you this year, or 17 games, you you better have a backup plan. you better have a guy to get out there and play for you. Flak will definitely start for them week one, but I see see this as a good thing for Shador. Like Dylan Gabriel, I don’t really think he’s much as a quarterback or whatever. And I don’t think there’s like oh yeah, they’re setting them up to fail or anything like that just because it’s literally like this is the way it’s felt. Like Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Picket have been hurt. I was going to say and but Picket’s the only one who will go out there with like true eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Like he’s an NFL quarterback. Whether good or not isn’t the question, but he’s an NFL quarterback. Gabriel isn’t or hasn’t been. So like he’s not in a different situation this year to jump. Yeah, this is an opportunity for Shadore. I see it. It is it is an opportunity. Um it just depends on and how many kind of how you see it though. Well, yeah, it’s not it’s not it’s not a setup because he’s the fourth string quarterback. How many fourth string quarterbacks are in the league getting first team reps? Like I’m sure there’s a lot of not a lot, but there’s other situations where like yeah, the guys that are starting aren’t necessarily getting the first team reps going in. like this is preseason just there’s probably not a lot of fourth string quarterbacks in contention to be the starting quarterback and I believe Shadore is absolutely in contention. I believe all three of those guys are in contention. I think they’re all fighting for a backup job if anything. So, well, but that backup job is going to lead to a position where they’re starting because Joe Flacco is not playing 17 games for the Cleveland Browns. So, if you believe here on Cleveland radio, it might honestly be a battle unless really stands out for the third string job. But here but Kenny Pig has been around. So the the argument if you believe that there’s some shenanigans, some tom foolery going on here is he shouldn’t be the four string quarterback now. He shouldn’t be he was a better college player than Gabriel. What are you doing with with Picket there? Like he shouldn’t that shouldn’t be where he’s at. And like I said, I could be based on where he was drafted, which I’m just No, you’re right. You’re right. He shouldn’t be there, which is where we get back to the conspiracy. And if you Here’s where people think it might be a setup. If you want to keep him there, if you don’t want him to be the backup, if you don’t if you want to justify why he’s not the backup, why he shouldn’t be out there, um why Gabriel and Picket should be ahead of him, you put him in a situation to fail. So, you always have the point. If he struggles, well, see, we did we gave him a chance and he didn’t play well. That’s why Picket is ahead of So, is he in a better position if Gabriel starts and he comes in in the third quarter? Yeah, potentially. cuz cuz he’s not he’s those are the people he’s been getting reps with. Is Dylan Gabriel getting first team reps though? Like I think they’re all getting some small version of first team reps. Yeah. Like and it’s depending on who’s available then just the one that’s like is Shador not then like I don’t like No, Shador is absolutely getting first team reps. To be to be perfectly clear, I don’t I’m not subscribing to the to the conspiracy theory. I don’t know. I’m just kind of in the middle. Like I don’t really I Lewis Riddick is the one who said it. I trust Lewis Riddick and he sees things a little different than I would. I hear what you and Jesse are saying. It’s like well they don’t even have nobody to play. But I would say if you He shouldn’t be four string quarterback right now. He just shouldn’t. Like I’ve watched enough football. I’ve watched enough him. I’ve watched enough Gabriel. I’ve watched enough Picket. He shouldn’t be a fourth string string quarterback for whatever reason. that’s where he’s at. If you want to keep him there, you put him in the worst possible situation. So, I I I asked the question again, how does that benefit Cleveland? It didn’t benefit him not taking these people in the draft. It didn’t benefit them signing Cody Picket. It didn’t benefit them not having But you have him now and you’ve seen him practice. your job if you’re Kevin Stfansky, your if there was if there was some sort of collusion. The collusion to me was the draft. That that was it. Agreed. Agreed. I I I I have to believe that that w if that existed. And it’s really tough to believe that it didn’t. I feel like it ended there. Now Kevin Stfansky has four quarterbacks on his team. He’s got to figure out at at bare minimum who the second best one is. Like right now today, he has to figure out who the second best one is. He has to figure out who the guy who can win games for them when their starting quarterback inevitably misses time. It would it it serves the benefit of no one to put Shadore in a position to fail when you don’t again if you had Patrick Mahomes and you start looking around like you’re setting this kid up to fail. Yeah, you could sell me on that. It’s harder to sell me when you don’t have a certified one at that position. The the only thing that that I would say and I haven’t been tapped into Brown’s training camp the way I have 49ers training camp is by all reports that I’ve seen he’s he’s been the best quarterback. Take that for what what it’s worth. Then why wouldn’t he start? Why is he the fourth string? What does it matter though? That’s just the current that that that’s just a that’s a listing on a depth chart. I mean it does matter though, right? Like Brad Party is not going to be the fourth string quarterback. Well, no, but Shador Shador overcomes that by just playing. Well, no, but there’s only like what, two or three teams in the league that have a true battle at the quarterback spot right now. True. All All I’m saying, like I said, I want to reiterate, I’m not I’m just kind of in the middle of this whole thing, but I don’t think Lewis Riddick is a clickbait type person. Well, no. I just don’t see he’s been in those situations. And maybe maybe he’s not saying for sure this is what’s happening, but he’s probably seen situations. Well, this is how you set somebody up for failure. If Shadore has been the best quarterback in camp, I don’t know why you wouldn’t play him. If you’re not playing Joe Flacco, who we believe will be their starting quarterback, I don’t see why you wouldn’t play him. And if Dylan Gabriel’s healthy and he’s not getting like first team reps, isn’t that the same conversation you can have for him? And there’s also probably a point put him up on the depth chart. There’s but but but I think I think another part of the problem is there’s a uh I think it’s Gabriel who has the hamstring issue. Yeah. Shador miss time with with arm soreness. There’s never been an opportunity to like okay we can we can really you know see over the course of the last two weeks or something and weaken some change and move these guys around. It’s been well yeah they haven’t really been it was Flaco and Shador today but then it was Gabriel and Picket this day. Then it was Pickicket and Shador. Then it was picking and flacco. And that’s how they’re working out these first team reps because it’s just kind of worked out to where guys have had injury issues that have had them out a practice or two over the course of the first handful. Yeah, for sure. If they brought in Tyler Huntley and started him instead of Shador, like yeah, they’re setting him up to fail. But I I saw Shador starting and I I see it as an opportunity. Like I don’t I don’t think this was out of the blue either. Like if like Gabriel and Pigot have been hurt, I could feel like it’s been kind of and that’s that’s that what you just said. That’s that’s the most important thing. I think that’s how Shador looks at it. And that like you said, that is the most important thing. You know, even if even if uh it was some type of conspiracy going on, if I’m Shadore, they’re like, “Well, you messed up. You shouldn’t have gave me any window. Now I’m about to go cook or whatever.” It did. It just catched my It caught my eye that Lewis Riddick had that outlook on it because he’s been in he’s been in those rooms that for sure and he’s he’s he is my favorite NFL analyst and it’s not close. So I don’t I don’t take his word for nothing. Um but I’ I’ I’d probably more like to hear the context of how he was delivering it and saying, “Hey, I’ve seen situations like this versus, hey, this is what I think they’re doing to the young men.” And to be fair, I I heard the the clip. He didn’t say that’s what they’re doing. He said this could be a setup. That that’s what he said. He didn’t say it as a fact that that’s what the Browns are doing, but he was his antennas were up for a possible setup situation. If it is a if it was to I well, for the ones I believe it is, like what is the alternative, I guess, to not setting him up in this situation? Like how do you fix it to where it’s not a setup? Do you just sit him then and start Tyler Huntley? Like I don’t get that part. No, I think give him more reps in practice. That that would be my first thought. I’d imagine though. Yeah, they’re game planning. Like if like Yeah, he’s getting the reps right now. Like if he’s the starter, like they’re going into the game the game on whenever they play like should with the game plan like Shadore, you’re a guy. Like no. Yeah, but the the way that it was is explained by those guys is the rep should have been happening all week long, not just the Wednesday before the game. I disagree with that. I guess I don’t that’s that’s that’s what Lewis is saying. I don’t know enough about the structure of practices and who gets the reps to even argue that. Like that’s just that’s not really my bag there. If he’s the fourth stringer then yeah it doesn’t make sense for them to be getting reps ahead of time and like when he does find out yes he has a starter then that makes sense to get your fourth stringer in there. Couple of other notes in the NFL of course that will be uh that’ll be one that we’re following for sure. Uh, Jerry, your boy, not my boy. Jerry Jones. Well, it’s not my boy. And I love Jerry Jones. Jerry said, uh, of course he’s just talking. That’s what he does. He is not confident that Michael Parsons will start, uh, week one for the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, that could be, uh, protecting himself. Uh that could be him not trying to kind of throw gas on a on a fire by saying, “Oh, he gonna be here.” Um but it is notable when the general manager says, “Yeah, I’m not sure if he’s going to be around week number one.” Uh it it feels like that regardless of what you thought about the Cowboys before this, there’s they have some talented guys on their roster. Micah being the most talented. This is shaping up to be another completely lost year for the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, I can’t I can’t argue with that. The the maybe the year was never going to be good, but it feels like it’s getting way worse before it starts. The interesting thing about it for me was, and I guess technically they can do, you know, whatever deal they want to do. So maybe this was never an issue, but we were talking about it on this show when they made the Dak signing, when they signed CD. How are they going to sign all three of these guys to the richest contract at that position? How is that going to happen? I thought I think we talked about we all talked about it and and maybe thought the same thing. They can’t have all three at that price. Either somebody’s got to go or somebody’s got to take less. And we we also thought Micah wasn’t going to be the one to take less. Right. We were looking at what Bosa got and we was like, “All right, bet. You going to get a dollar more than that.” and it feels like they’re they’re here and they’re like baffled that this is the case. Now, once again, I think under, you know, capwise, they were able to make it work with the math, but that was also not going out and getting a George Pickins or not going out and get this guy. Like, a lot of your money was going to be tied up in those three guys. And I don’t know, maybe they they got to this moment and had cold feet a little bit, but yeah, I I’m not surprised that they’re kind of going through it a little bit. I do think Michael Parson’s going to play week one, though. You do? I think it’ll be like Bosen. Jerry has never won any of these battles. And if he has, can someone tell me which one? Like he didn’t I mean Jack an absurd amount of money that just doesn’t fit anywhere else. Well, uh, Mr. Cowboys on the line. Let’s see what Stanley talking about. Stanley, you think Micah gonna play week one? It doesn’t matter. He’s going We Hey, Emtt Smith didn’t play in week one when he held out, did he? No. No, he didn’t. Doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters is what happens in the end. And let me tell you two chunks something. You’re talking about Michael Parsons is the most talented. That’s debatable. CD Lamb is the most talented as far as I’m concerned. Oh, I don’t think so. CD CD can go. He He a good ball player. I like CD. I I think Micah is at the top of his position class. And and and when when Doc is right here, that’s the one that doesn’t need to be there, Stanley. That’s where that’s the one that shouldn’t have got the contract. Opinion. I’m not going to argue against your opinion. That’s an opinion. So, I mean that that’s that’s new. That means I’m right, Stanley. I think the Cowboys I think the Cowboys anything, Kenny, have you ever been You’re the You’re the same person that thought that thought that 49ers was going to be so good last year. I did think they were going to be good last year. Yeah, I know. And how did that turn out? Not very good. I thought they were going to be good the year before they made the Super Bowl. That day they didn’t. And and on the way they beat your guys’ ass every time. Yes, they did. They did. I’ll give you that, man. Appreciate you, Stanley. Appreciate you, my brother. Appreciate my guy Stanley. I I strive to be a fan with the loyalty, the level in which our man Stanley has. I thought, hey, I was on Stanley’s side and he’s still mad at me. Stanley don’t even know I’m here. No, absolutely. Cuz he wants Jerry Jones to replace me. He’s just Oh, he does want to fire me, but he’s he’s just sick of Kenny Careway. We’ll come back. James Ham joins us at the top of the hour. We’ll stick with football for a second. Yeah. And when we come back, I want to hear I said something in there. I want to know what you think about what I just said about the Cowboys here on uh ESPN as we talk about the Cowboys on ESPN Dallas. ESPN 1320. Chris wish they did it sooner. Hold on. Stanley like I’ve got something to say here. Oops. Okay, there we go. 13th round is back with your boy Kenny Careway. Shout out to the dope one. Shout out to Jordan Brand. Sir, shout out Cole Seas. Not too many fights going on right now. It’s kind of a slow time right now in boxing. But something came up the other day because Oscar De La Hoy, he said that Floyd Mayweather ducked a rematch with him after their fight in 2007, I believe it was, where it was a split decision victory for Floyd Mayweather. and he said that Floyd retired for a year and a day so he could avoid the rematch. I have questions. I haven’t seen the the contents of the uh of the contract. So, there are things that I’m not privy to, but they fought in May of 2007. He said Floyd retired for a year and a day to avoid the rematch. Sir, Floyd Mayweather fought Ricky Hatton in December of that same year. So, there must be something I’m missing. He didn’t retire after the fight. You fought. So, there’s that. But then you get into the conversation of people talking about, you know, it’s the same old sorry conversation that people have when they talk about Floyd Mayweather. He ducked this person. He didn’t fight this person in their prime. Yada yada yada. He ducked De La Hoy. That’s a new thing now. The duck de la Hoya. Hey, Floyd would have beat the hell out of Oscar that second time. He would have beat him worse than Manny beat his ass in De La Hoya’s next damn fight when he quit. Floyd would have beat Canelo probably at any time. He would have beat Pacquiao at any time. He’s the greatest fighter in the last 50, 60 years. None of these guys are out here right now, Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Hella Fighters, Hall of Fame fighters, they weren’t beating Floyd. Especially Especially if Floyd never got hurt. Like they always talk about money Mayweather. Pretty Boy, bro, ain’t none of them boys beating Pretty Boy. I was watching a fight the other day. RIP Sacramento legend Diego Corales. I was watching that fight the other day. I want to reiterate, ain’t none of them boys beating Pretty Pretty Boy. None of them. That’s the 13th round. Yeah, Dr. David, he didn’t lose. And then he came back in the second fight and beat his ass. He broke his hand in that fight. De La Hoy, De La Hoy, he was the bigger fighter, the aside, made more money, had the ring that he wanted and everything, and he lost. The amount of times I walk back in the studio and Kenny is yelling. I I just it’s did something the the the Floyd convers and I’m sure nine months from now we’ll have another Floyd conversation. But dog the only person I put ahead of him is Sugar Ray Leonard. Outside of that outside of Sugar Ray Leonard, he’s the best fighter we’ve seen in the last 60 years in this sport. Hey, none of these randoms that you talk about beating Floyd Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao in his prime in his allegedly juiced up prime, he’d still lose. Although on my boxing channel last night, I was watching Manny versus Ricky Hatton when he just destroyed Ricky Hatton and had me concerned because I thought Ricky might have died in the middle of the ring. Oh dear, that was unbelievably prime. Manny Pacquiao was unbelievably electric. Okay. You watched the fights like Did you watch any of his his fights like that time? Like I’ve se I’ve seen him fight. Yeah. Like in his prime. I saw him fight. Absolutely. The energy that comes through the TV watching Manny Pack. I remember at the time I was working at Comcast, now Xfinity. And I wasn’t really familiar with them. And they said, “Yeah, there’s gonna be, you know, that’s when you take the calls for pay-per-view, right? You take the calls and you press the button and you order it for the the customer.” and they’re like, “Yeah, you know, um, UFC fights and De La Hoya fights and, you know, it gets busy for pay-per-view fights, but this dude Manny Pacquiao that’s fighting, oh yeah, there ain’t going to be no calling out that day.” They call in droves for a Manny Pacquiao. I was like, “Y’all tripping.” Nah, that those were some crazy Saturdays when Manny was fighting. Phones would not stop for like eight hours. Mhm. It was great. He was It was a It was Call your K pay-per-view provider today. WWF events be on the phone like you got to order for the the Manny Pac. They used to that used to have the lines tied up. He was super electric, man. It was cool to watch watch that stuff in the moment. There’s a uh this doesn’t have anything to do with Pacquiao. I was more about pay-per-view. There’s a um there’s a clip and I do not know what it’s from. It might be the making of Wrestlemania or something like that, but it’s a clip of Vince talking to Mean Jean without, you know, it’s obviously the cameras on them, but they’re not recording. I mean, you know what I mean? They’re not live. They’re not recording a segment, right? And uh so this is I think the first Wrestlemania and McMahon is like okay what we really need you to drive home is you can’t watch this at home. You have to go to closed circuit. You have to find the nearest closed circuit theater. This will not be available at home. You have to go to closed circuit. And I just think how funny it is that you used to go to a movie theater or whatever or a venue to watch what we now know as pay-per-view and that evolves into pay-per-view. Now you don’t call anyone and say, “Oh, I want to watch this.” Now you you go to an app and you click a button and you do Apple Pay or you, you know, you scan your face real quick and right the the event shows up. You’re in there. I think this or you pay $29.99 but it’s no big deal because if it doesn’t equal a h 100red you save $45 like Kenny said that is just so far off. That is that is way off. Nailed it. But um but I think you were here maybe you weren’t. Maybe it was Jesse. Jesse, what wasn’t it a a sports league was doing a deal with the movie theater? Uh yeah. What were we talking about? Was it WWE? Maybe it was. Yeah. to watch the stuff in movie theaters and I I thought that was pretty cool. Might have been AEW. I can’t remember but I feel like it was a wrestling recent. Yeah, it was like it was when when you were gone. I think it was WWE and that’s dope. I’ve watched fights in the movie theaters and it’s it’s pretty cool. Like boxing fights in the movie theaters and it’s pretty cool. So, I’m surprised I think and me and Jesse asked the question, would that work? Yeah, it was WWE and I guess it started with SummerSlam. Oh, okay. uh select Regal Cinema started airing it and that’ll be a thing that expands with Regal over the for some of these PL. Do you think that would be something regular sports could do? I mean, I guess you have sports bars, so they kind of already do it. Yeah, that’d be I think that’d be dope. I could watch a Kings game. Yeah, like a big game. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That’d be dope to do downtown, but but whatever the I don’t Yeah. Like, hey, oh, you can’t get into the Golden One Center. Come to the movie theater. come to theater 7. Theater 7. And if we have to, we’ll go to theater 8. If they were smart, they would do that. They probably kind of struggling. I’m sure there’s a million reasons you can’t. You probably have to have a a a strong legal agreement as to how that can work. True. True. And you have to come out to pocket, I’m sure, quite a bit to be able to make something like that happen. Well, it’s like the I know you heard like getting pay-per-views at bars. Mhm. Is it the pay-per-view price times your capacity? Yeah. And like all the cable boxes or TV? It’s when somebody explained it to me cuz they I was going to this bar. Why don’t you guys ever get the fights? They’re like ain’t worth it. We damn near lose money when we do that that type of stuff. And they explained it. I was like, “Oh, okay. I get it.” Uh you were going to ask me something about the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. when when our guys stand cowboy radio here or just ESPN. Well, hey, that’s a good point. We’re ESPN national now, folks. Shout out Sacramento. That contract negotiation hit different, man. We’re national now. Talking Cowboys. And stick around. We’ll talk to Lakers with James Hammy. Started started the show with Luca. That’s true. That’s true. We did. Um, when Stanley was calling, I said of those three guys, Dak was the one they should have not paid. Do you agree? Uh, no. I don’t think you can afford because Dak wasn’t Dak isn’t a terrible quarterback. No. And it’s tough to determine it. It It was probably tough to figure out how good of a quarterback he was. What what they did, they took they took risks, right? They took what is essentially a qualifying offer risk with Dak. And yeah, they had to pay him. They paid him a lot. Above and beyond. Yeah, they paid him a lot. If you don’t pay anyone, I think it’s CD. I That’s the one I think. Just the position that’s easier to replace. I guess that’s the one I think. Quarterback. You you cannot not pay Micah. If you got a top 12, top 10, depending on who you’re arguing with, quarterback and a top one edge rusher, you got to pay those guys. I think a lot of it too wasn’t just the position that Dak was in. Like one, he had played well, but he put the Cowboys in a tough spot. Like he showed what that team looked like without him. And well, we can’t live like this. I feel a lot better about them if it was um Dak, George Piggins, and Michael Parsons rather than Dak, George Piggin, and CD Lamb, if that makes sense. Like, I think you get by with George Piggins as a number one, but still pay Michael Parsons and still be somewhat successful. Like, I don’t think they’re going to be very good this season, but there’s a a less of a fall-off than I think keeping a receiver around. I I know that’s the way things go. If Dak made 30 million, would you feel different? Yeah. compared to 60 million, right? Yeah. I mean, I think it’s Yeah. Yeah. I I I’d feel different, but you know, I’m not really a believer in Dak. Like, I just don’t Well, I’ll put that back. I take that back. The way that they have him quarterback. Mhm. I don’t think he’s good enough for that. They want him to pass the ball. They want Dak to be Josh Allen, right? And that’s not it. if you got him more of in a manager role and being a little bit more um I don’t want to say calculated because that seem that sounds like he can’t do it like he can but just take back his his attempts and the the way he passes the ball a a little more than what they do right now. I think you can you can absolutely win with a guy like Dak, but to your point, you’re not paying that guy $60 million. Yeah. So, I I think uh been playing with no running game, too, the last few seasons. Yep. McCarthy, your boy. He put That ain’t my boy. That’s your boy. They’re all You know what? They’re all my boys. Hey, Zeke, what if you go line up under center right now? You love Mike McCarthy. Hey, sign him. Sign him, Jerry. Sign him. Yeah, sign him. Matter of fact, give Dak another extension. Go ahead. Please keep keep those Keep those guys in Cowboys colors. Please keep those guys in Cowboys colors. Keep them there. How much longer is Tyreek Hill going to be in Dolphins colors? Well, uh, if we’re honestly talking, he’ll be a Dolphin this season, I think. Really? Yeah. Tyreek has been done this whole little trolling. I’m Tyreek Hill. I’m gonna talk like the last few seasons. There isn’t really anything too new. M rig’s always has been loud. Do you think that the team He’s not wrong, by the way. Do you think the team is tired of it though? Uh or are they just kind of taking it as business as usual? Maybe. But when you hear those guys talk about Tyreek and just what he does, I think they’re willing to look past it. Like I don’t I don’t think this is anything out of the ordinary. Might be a little tired of him, but it’s Tyreek Hill. I guess me, I would have traded him after he quit last season. Mhm. like the things Tua said about yeah he’s got to earn it back. I don’t think that was anything crazy. I feel like yeah if you quit on your team like you got to take some steps and all that. So I didn’t think that was anything that was the right answer rather than Yeah, he’s good. We’re all good. So yeah, it’s whatever. He is right. Stop giving Devon Achan the ball on third and one please. Like Mike McDaniel maybe listen. Well, did you hear what Mike said? Well, I think it was Mike. Yeah, it was Mike. Mike McD like Well, we did. Yeah. And it didn’t work ever. Yeah. Did Mike Mike’s I I don’t know. You know it. You know it, Jesse. Well, no. No. Yeah. I’m going to say it right now. I think Mike McDaniel will be a lot better in his second job than his first. I think there’s a lot of things he needs to learn. I don’t think he had grasp for the locker room. I don’t think he had got it under control guys showing up late. Tyreek Hill was one of those guys showing up late for meetings and all that stuff. He might have too eccentric of a personality to be a head coach. He’s changed it a little bit this year. He’s a little different this year, but for me it might be too little too late. A little different like in a positive way. Yeah. Where he’s like he’s not messing around. He’s like not the cool guy anymore and stuff like that. He’s still Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel, but more so like things aren’t going to fly like how they’ve been. But again, it’s already year four. So I wonder if it’s too a little too late at this point. This is so unfair. He’ll get another job and I think it’ll be a lot better that second job wherever it’s at. This is so unfair. I want to be perfectly clear that this is unfair. And I probably shouldn’t say this, but I’m going to say it because this is my job. Got to say what I feel. I look at Mike McDaniels and that is and I listen to him. Not just look at him, but I listen to him. That is not a leader of men. He is not somebody that can run uh be the top guy on an operation like that. I think he’s a good football mind. He’s got good ideas. Um, he knows how to, you know, coach up the offense and as an offensive coordinator and all this other stuff, but as a leader of men, just when I every time I’ve heard him speak, it’s just I’m not following that guy. I’m going to disagree with you a little bit just because like there are guys I’ve talked about like playing for him and stuff like that like with the Dolphins last few years and like they play for Mike and all those things, but he does need to clean it up a bit. Mhm. I think he went too far where like there’s this old school mentality with coaches versus they run things blah blah blah do my way their hard way. I think he went too far the other way or he was too much of a players coach. So that’s why I’m saying like if he gets a second job he’ll be a lot better there where he learned from his mistakes cuz they’ve been to the playoffs a couple times. I mean with Tua they’re 10 games over 500 with Mike McDaniel as coach and stuff. Like his issues are when Tua is not out there. But we see we know how that goes. I watched uh I got him floor eight wins right now as a floor. Could be silly. I watched um and that’s crazy. Eight wins could be the floor as well. Like that could seem going to eight and nine. Like I don’t think they’re going to be worse, but I don’t think I don’t know if they’re going to be better. I watched um and like went out of my way. I was like, “Hey, I’m I’m interested. I want to watch this.” I watched Hard Knocks last night. Okay. Yeah. I I as we were leaving KSFM, I looked at my phone and saw the alert. I was like, “Oh, huh.” And I just closed my phone, put it back in my pocket, and Yeah, I’ve accepted. I don’t like hard knocks. I’m not going to lie, it’s fine. And And I remember thinking as I was looking at it, I was like, “Was I ever excited like for this show?” And I’m trying to remember if like was it ever appointment viewing for me? And I always remember watching it, but I don’t remember like, “Oh, it’s hard knocks. I gota I saw it. going past it. I was like, “Huh, that’s pretty interesting. All right, let me go and throw on Batman, though.” Like, “Yeah, I’m not I’m not going to watch Hard Knocks.” No, I um bring in James. I remembered that it was like, “Oh, yeah, Hard Knocks starts tonight.” I was like, “Let me let me check it out.” I fell asleep on it. Not because it’s bad. Watching it at a at a late point of the night, but I watched like the first 40 minutes of it and it’s hard not anything crazy, but I was like, “Damn, I’m I’m not hate watching hard knocks. Like, I’m just I’m watching is cool. Josh Allen, all that other stuff like, “All right, cool.” I just didn’t expect that to happen last night that I would that’s that’s how I remembered that I have HBO Max. Kenny has I hadn’t thought about HBO Max until I was like, “Oh man, I want to watch Hard Knocks. I’m not going to go look for it on YouTube TV. Let me pull up the app. I’m signed in. Let’s go.” That’s what happened. See, that’s how Kenny Rose he over here doing math over. I forgot I had this app, man. I had that $15 a month subscription. That’s what it is. That’s what it is. Is $180 a year. I just flushed it down the toilet. Who cares? No. Hey, some some things going to have to change though. Something’s going to have to change. It’s getting a little too out of control. I agree. I agree. uh as we welcome in James Ham of the Insiders here. Uh Hammer, I I don’t have anything, man. I I I do I do not have it. I don’t have any more thoughts that I can ask you for on Jonathan Kaminga or I guess I could ask you this, but it doesn’t pertain to Jonathan Kaminga, but it does pertain to this overall off seasonason because I’ve asked this question and Casey and I were talking about this yesterday. I’ve asked this question time and time again about and we’ve talked about it hammer about the the the the Warriors and just kind of the locker room going back to normal if Jonathan Kaminga winds up signing that qualifying offer or this thing drags out into training camp and you put a microphone in front of Draymond Green and Steve Cerr who a lot of these stories are centered around. But what about Sacramento? I mean Devin Carter kind of took the pros approach at summer league. You know, I think it’s a little different when you get to the regular season. We’re hearing a lot about Malik Monk after it was just, man, we got to resign Malik. We got to resign Malik. We got to resign Malik all last year and and this year it it feels very different for a team that is so desperate to establish chemistry. Is it a little concerning that we could enter the season with something a little thrown off? Yeah, I mean, I think that’s always been my biggest concern. Like how do you build a culture when like 75% of your roster won’t be here when your finished product is going to be, you know, happening and and maybe that’s that number is too high. Maybe it’s too low. Like I mean Scott Perry turned flipped the the Knicks roster completely in a year, right? So you’re you’re left with this question of like how do you establish a culture without having a culture piece without having someone who that you establish that culture around and you build that culture around and like look that’s not a a knock on a guy like Keon Ellis or a guy like Keegan Murray. Um, both of those guys are good culture guys, but they’re not the culture setter, you know, like we all know like the loudest voice in the room in in Golden State is Draymond Green, but that’s always been Steph’s team. Like he’s the godfather of that team. And you know, if you have problems or you need to vent grievances or anything else, you go to Steph because it’s his team. And like how do you build a a like a like flip a roster and build it try to establish something when you don’t have that person you’re establishing anything around and that’s going to be a challenge. Um you know Doug Christie can do as much as he can as a coach to establish that culture but the players are always going to go to a player. They’re not going to go to a coach nearly as often as they would go to a player. And so, you know, it’s going to be on the kings to establish who those people are and who the road map, you know, forward is going to, you know, have in the car, right? Like who’s going to be there and that I don’t know that they know the answer to that. I was just going to ask you, I mean, how how much do you think a coach or a GM at least for the time build being until you get that guy in the building, can be the culture setter, can be um the the the kind of guys that set the tone for the entire organization? Is that something that can happen, you know, over the course of a couple years and then it has to be handed off to a player? Or could it be something that I mean we talk about um Pat Riley and Spo all the time like those guys are the Miami Heat. Is that just kind of a one-off a rare situation or is that something that could happen with the right front office people in the coach? Yeah, I I mean like look I think it’s different everywhere but like when we talk about styles of play or you know the way that you see a team fight all the way to the finish line I always bring up Taylor Jenkins, right? I thought, you know, because I don’t think Memphis was, you know, one of the most talented teams in the league at all. I I never thought that they were super like over-the-top talented, but they had a system in place that that forced players to play hard. And if you don’t play hard, if you don’t finish out the entire 48 minutes, then you’re not going to play, you know, they’ll they’ll go to someone else. And um so I think there is an ability to create that, but you’re always going to be as good as your best player. and and you’re always going to be is, you know, like if that player has a big voice and is able to uh bring people together. I think the other um the a player I’ll bring up that I I think has like this type of influence on his team and it’s not like one of the household names, I mean, he’s a household name, but not one of the biggest superstars in the league, and it’s Donovan Mitchell. Like, everyone in the league knows Donovan Mitchell. Everyone in the league has ties to Donovan Mitchell. And when Donovan Mitchell is in that locker room in Cleveland, that’s his locker room. You know, that that’s his team. And Kenny Atinson is a great coach and he has a mindset that he forces his players to play and a system that they play, but that team is going to go as far as Donovan Mitchell takes them. And they’re also they’re going to get through tough times and easy times and all that stuff using him as a catalyst for that. And that’s because he’s a connector. He’s somebody that connects everything together. And the Kings are going to have to find that connective piece. And you know, we can talk about, you know, like the influence that Malik Monk has had on that team over the last couple years or the Demanis Sabonis, uh, you know, how he’s had a bigger and bigger influence on his team over the last couple of years. Um, but you still you need as many of those voices and as many of those people that you count on for everything as possible. And until the Kings establish that, it is tough. Now again, you can have like Spolster has a system in place to develop talent. Um, but he also relies on players. You know, it’s a player driven league and there is always going to be a us and them situation. The coaching staff has their own us versus them. The front office has their own us versus them. and you know your your players have that, but you’re hoping that they all meld together where they’re all pulling together in in one, you know, direction. And I I think more often than not, we’ve seen that that’s not the case here in Sacramento where everyone’s not pulling the same direction. Is it difficult to find that connective tissue to use the line that you just used when it feels like you’re always in such flux? Yeah. Like if Malik is still, sorry to interrupt, like if Malik is still a king on the first day, like it’s not like rumors are going to stop. Like there’s still his name is probably going to be referenced all the way till February. Same with Devin, I’m sure. Oh, no. I I totally agree. And that’s on them to be pros and to figure it out and and to move on because it’s also possible Malik Monk plays the next three years in Sacramento. Sure. Now, I’m not going to bank on that. uh you know, if I were putting an overunder on it, I don’t know what the number would be. Um but I would I would assume that there’s a good chance he doesn’t finish his contract, but um like look, I I I think that, you know, that’s that’s the one thing about, you know, we always come back to this one point like when you trade away Don Fox, you traded away more than just the best player. You traded away a lot of what your identity was as a team. and whether Fox was the end- all beall phenomenal leader that would, you know, is going to, you know, take you into battle and and lead you into battle and, you know, be the guy out in front yelling charge. I I don’t know. But you did know that that was the Aaron Fox’s team and, you know, like the other pieces around him, yeah, there there’s a bunch of influential pieces around them, but a lot of basketball players defer to the best player on the team. And that’s just kind of the way it goes. And I I think it’s the go back to your high school days like the point guard or the best player on your basketball team is the guy who has the biggest voice in the room, the quarterback of your football team. He’s the guy that everyone follows. So yeah, there there’s a the Kings are in a state where they’ve got to figure out how to create that again and and again create it not knowing who might be there at in February or or next off season. So, this is going to sound like shade, but it’s not. I promise. But it’s reality. I agree with what James just said. What was the King’s identity with Dear Fox? Probably that an inconsistent team, which is kind of what we feel about Dearan. Like sometimes they’d show up and do what they supposed to do and sometimes they just be gone. Like what what team is it? How you lose to Washington in Washington? how you lose to the Hornets or in Sacramento right before the Pistons in Sacramento, right? And I’m not saying that’s a reason to move on from them, but I’m just saying like you’re you’re right, James. Like if that was your best player, that was going to be a roller coaster. Yeah, but I mean I I don’t think it was an issue. Like I I I used to always hear this, winning cures all, winning cures all, right? you know, my my good friend Chris Clark, who used to be the media director. Oh, just wait. We start winning this all this noise goes away. Well, the problem is you never won. Um, and the second they did win, all that noise went away and he was third team allNBA and was like like a couple of votes away from being second team AllNBA. So winning does like make a lot of that noise go away and it also makes you know that’s where you get all NBA that’s where you get all-star appearances. It it really does depend on winning especially when you’re in a smaller market. And so like look I I think that there were times where you know they they let off the gas. They didn’t deal with success well. you know that that’s why I think year two was, you know, for some reason they thought they made it after year one and year two they they let their um like attention span, their attention to detail slip and those the slips in in year two it did cost them what four or five games against the worst teams in the league. You know, we talked about you you they lost to Charlotte, they lost to Detroit, they lost to uh Washington, and they lost to Portland. Those are unacceptable losses. And that’s to be honest with you, that’s a difference between a being a 46- win team and a 5-1 team. And that’s not even all the five games they lost because they missed free throws. So like there was a way for that team to be really really good, but they didn’t embrace success in the right way. And then they they regressed and and specific players regress like incredibly. And you’re like, what in the world happened to you? Um and and sometimes that does happen at the NBA level. guys just are are outstanding and then they’re not, you know, like look at what missing free throws in the NBA finals did to Nick Anderson’s career. Like the dude was never ever the same. Like like he rolled up in Sacramento and he was a perfectly fine player, but how do you go from being like a really good free throw shooter entire career to all of a sudden you’re 45% free throw shooter and you got the yips like and it just affected every aspect of his game. So like like I I don’t know the exact like the psychological breakdown of how this team went from being, you know, an outstanding team on the rise that was third in the Western Conference to where they are today, but sort of a dark path. Yeah. You know who I feel like the guy who’s going to have to pull everyone together? James, I think you’re going to hate this to be honest. I think it’s Demar. I think Dear is the veteran voice in that locker room. He’s one of the most he has to be the most respected player on the team. He’s one of the most respected players in the league. And you know, I Demar might be one of those guys who has to put the you know, regardless of what our future looks like, you know, we’re together now. And I think Dear is a guy that you can absolutely rally behind. I And if it’s not Demar, I honestly don’t know who it is. Yeah. to be honest. You know, again, Dear has like he’s very quiet. He he’s very uh focused. Um I I don’t you guys read his book, I’m assuming, or at least parts of it. Um that’s who he is. Like he in the locker room, he doesn’t seem like a rahrh guy or a guy that’s pulling everyone together and having, you know, super deep conversations all the time. But, you know, you’re right. He’s getting paid to be a veteran influence on this team. And again, I I don’t know that that that’s the type of role that he’s really looking for. He’d rather let his game do his talking. And and again, the players respect him. That’s why he, you know, again, why we only saw like one tussle the entire season aimed at him. And you know, for even though he was shooting sometimes way too much, like there were games where it was just like, man, what are we doing here? And that’s usually where you see self-regulation with the team. And everybody had like a hands-off approach and like, well, he’s that’s Demar Rosen. That’s, you know, we’re gonna go as far as he takes us type deal. And uh that’s not always a good thing. But I I just don’t know that he’s that type of leader. And the same, you know, Sabonis again is a guy that everybody counts on and trusts and, you know, he’s funny and but I just don’t know that he’s that guy that’s, you know, demanding everybody come into the circle and like looking everybody in the eye and saying it’s go time every single time. And that’s that’s just never really been his his type of per uh personality. Feel like he’s too busy doing this sometimes. For those that aren’t watching, I’m just throwing my hands up the air like exasperated by what’s going on. Do you um go back for the record? I like Damont Sabonis. For some reason, I’ve been a little frustrated with him this week. Go ahead. Do you um James going going back to something kind of talked about? You think Doug Christie can get away with that for a little while being that type of person that gets everybody together? And what I mean a little while, maybe it’s a year, maybe it’s the first three months of the season and then somebody else to take over. But how long do you think he can be if you think he can be that guy that kind of galvanizes everyone? Well, I I think he definitely is a leader of men, right? So that’s something that I I’ll say about Doug. Like you can’t find well, you can find one person total that I’ve heard that has a negative word to say about Doug Christie. Um, and I don’t think any of us are are listening to that person at all. Um, you know, outside of that, like everybody respects Doug. They like Doug. Uh, you know, like the you just go talk to the media members. Like we’re all close with Doug because he was one of us for a long time. Um, but at the same time, like he’s gonna have to find his voice and it can’t just be with the young guys. It can’t just be as a team on as a whole. Sometimes it’s hard having hard discussions with veterans. And that’s something that I think Doug is going to have to grow into and is something that I I don’t know that he was fully prepared to do last season. uh you know having a a meeting with the starters only that’s one thing but pulling aside a veteran and saying hey like look I I can’t have you doing that anymore you know if you’re not going to play defense or if you’re going to take x amount of shots or you’re going to force things or you’re not going to play within the flow or I’m going to set this standard that every 8 seconds is a whole new thing in the shot clock. The first eight we’re bringing the ball over. The second eight we’re getting into our our offensive set and the third eight minutes is the third eight seconds is like panic mode and get it to somebody who can score. I I can’t have you getting into the final eight seconds with 20 seconds on the shot clock. And and so those are things that Doug is going to have to put his foot down and he’s going to have to learn how to do that cuz that’s not always easy, especially when, you know, Doug is a player who, you know, understands the hierarchy better than anybody of not just an NBA locker room, but but the stars on your team. And, you know, in order to to win over the stars, you you’ve got to hold people accountable. And that is the one thing I will say about De’aran Fox. Like a lot of people can say whatever they want about Dear Fox, but De’aran Fox always wanted to be coached hard and always wanted to be directed and like it’s not that he he was okay with Mike Brown yelling at him. He was okay with Mike Brown going out in the media and calling him out for making a bad foul against Detroit. Dear’s always been okay with that because that’s how he was raised with somebody in his ear yelling at him and and coaching him in in a very loud and aggressive manner. and it’s something he looks for in a coach and so uh like but not every player is that way and some players shut down so it’s kind of weird uh like I I don’t know how this team pieces everything together and there’s so many moving parts and and a lot of them are temporary do you think h how much was Doug going at it kind of alone last year you know Casey has brought this up as to one of the traumatic incidents of last season of obviously see the Mike Brown firing, but there is really uncomfortable circumstances regarding Mike Brown’s firing and you know the things that involve Luke LZ and and and Jay Triano and so on. How much and you pointed this out in real time. Doug is testy because he’s exhausted. How much of last year in that final stretch did he really go at it by himself? Oh, like a lot. A lot. I mean, it wasn’t just, you know, I’ve told you guys this before, but you know, when they fired Mike and they elevated Doug, they didn’t replace Doug. And then when Luke Lkes decided to walk away again, first of all, there was always going to be friction there because that’s Mike’s Mike’s guy. And it’s Mike’s guy that didn’t get the job to be honest with you. like Luke L is one of those guys who probably inline in a lot of situations to become like an interim head coach or you know coach and waiting type deal. Um you know like as far as Jay Friano I I know that there was some friction between Jay and some of the the younger guys on the staff. Um but I don’t think like Doug was going at it alone. he had some support pieces there that he relied on and you know and I don’t think th those were people that you thought it was it was sort of tertiary people uh people on the on the fringe of of the coaching staff originally who became bigger had bigger roles with Doug than they did with Mike. Um, but then on top of that, you know, I’ve mentioned this before, Leandro Barbosa at one point he tore his quad and had to have surgery and missed time and then he had um he had a family situation out of the country and was gone for a bunch of time. And so Doug really was isolated. He was isolated with a team that wasn’t playing that well that was struggling to finish his season that had lost their rudder and De’Arren Fox and was trying to adjust on the fly and you know like just to hold it together was pretty bold. Like to have a winning record last season just dug by himself was pretty impressive. You know like the final outcome of them getting stomped in the in the playin game isn’t what anybody wanted to see. But that doesn’t mean that Doug didn’t hold that thing together with like scotch tape. Uh and you know, and a bunch of strong words. Um it’s just how does that work out this year? And and that’s why I think it’s really good that they brought in a guy like Mike Woodson. They brought in a guy like Mike Miller. like these are guys with tons of NBA both head coaching and assistant coaching experience that can really really support Doug and and give him sort of like take on some of the the things because that’s that was the other Doug wasn’t handing off anything. He wasn’t delegating anything, you know, because he kept saying trust anybody. Well, he kept saying it’s on me like no matter what it’s on me. So, he’s out there doing his own scouts, uh, you know, doing his own scouting reports and stuff and you’re like, man, you just can’t take on all of that. It’s such a big job and you don’t know it until you’re in it. And then when you’re in it, it’s like you’re looking around like, who can I trust? And I don’t think he had a lot of trust with a lot of the player the the coaches that were around him. And that’s why a lot of the coaches that were around him aren’t back. And that’s not an indictment on anybody. That’s just like you fired a head coach in the middle of the season and like that head coach had brought in that staff because they were his people. They were not Doug’s people and Doug wasn’t one of Mike’s people. Doug was a a holdover, a franchise guy, but then a hold over on Luke from Luke Walton staff and and so, you know, there’s always going to be a little bit of friction there as well because you’re always wondering like, okay, are you one of my people or are you a franchise guy? And and so, you know, it’s it’s complicated like this. The interpersonal relationships of an NBA team are are just like crazy and wild and filled with egos and filled with, you know, random people in your ear and and all kinds of crazy stuff. The uh the Christy there Christie sitting there like, “Oh man, Luke Lou’s scouting report said leave Steph Curry open. I’m just following I’m just following what he told me to do.” Yeah, it’s tough. I mean, you’re not walking into that show, uh, Kenny by yourself without a rundown that you didn’t write, right? You’re that that rundown you put together. So, you know what you’re doing in the first block and the second block and hour number three and what guests you have coming in. Like, you built that thing and you built it because you’re going to try to to hold on for four hours and follow some sort of script and get you through it. Well, if if you just let somebody else that you don’t really have a lot of trust in write that script for you and you go out on the air and you got to talk about topics that you don’t feel all that comfortable with, it’s going to get a little dicey. That’s the thing. It’s the trust. Like, it’s the trust. KC should be able to rely on me. I should be able to rely on KC. Doug should be able to rely on his staff. And it felt like for a variety of different circumstances, that couldn’t happen. which is why he was yelling at Matt George uh for the last three weeks of the season. I think he got Jeremiah, too. Like he got someone else. He got Jeremiah. And yeah, Jeremiah like I for whatever reason, first of all, he can’t catch a a foul ball. Poor Jeremiah’s had a tough week. Yeah. Yeah, he has had a tough week. He’s had a tough week. Yeah. Um, but also, um, you know, like it depends on the delivery and sometimes someone’s delivery isn’t even intentional, but it comes across as accusatory. And I’m telling you, man, I’ve known Doug for a long time. That dude was absolutely exhausted, like hanging on by a thread. And that’s that’s the job. But he was thrust into that job and and literally had no training wheels at all. No training wheels. and probably two tires that were really, really low on air. And you’re like, oh boy, how am I going to get to the finish line with this thing? And you know, he kept saying it, I’m trying to fix an airplane in the air. And it’s like, okay, well, get the landing gear down just in case you don’t, you know, make sure that you’re able to land it at least. When we when we come back though, I want to ask James more about that. Okay. Uh, well, Casey will ask James about fixing airplanes in the air. when Casey returned here on Sacramento Sports Leader ESPN 1320. Oh yeah, good job Dodgers. Threw away the lead. Good job, you jackasses. There we go. Yeah. Wow. I like that. Poor TK Hernando. But they took Otani out and went bad. Yeah, they they gave up the game tying hit, threw it to third, and the guy was like, “Oh no, there goes a guy going to second. Let me throw it to second and get him out. And throws it into right field. And the guy at third scores throw I become one of them crazy Pelaton people. I was exhausted this morning. I was like, man, I got to get my ride in. Seven days in a row. Got to get my ride in, man. Come on. I’m a maniac. Maniac. Got it in, though. Casey had like a pelon to hang his laundry on or something like that. Yep. Yeah. Don’t do that anymore. Did you get a a bike? Yeah, Katie had one. Oh, got it. Got it. We just we we’d had it. We just hadn’t like set it up, renewed the subscription, all that. So, we did it. Got the shoes and the whole thing. Man, I I love it. Really? Love it. Yeah, we have one. Sarah Sarah uses it. I I don’t I don’t use the And we have a Pelon We have a Pelon treadmill, too. Uh Oh, okay. Ask Sarah how that is. I’ve been wondering about those. Yeah, I think she really likes it. Um, I also I have an old treadmill uh that like I used to sell one years ago when I did sporting goods and I use that. I don’t use the the the other treadmill. So, we have two treadmills sitting side by side and a lot of times we’ll go down and like go for walks. James doesn’t want to get cussed out while he’s on the treadmill like you would on a pelon. Yeah. Yeah. No. And like she’s had the pelon. It was in our room forever. So, you know, they do they sit there and yell at you the whole time. I don’t want to get yelled at. So, yeah. Also, I don’t I don’t know that my back can handle uh the bike. Yeah, we’ll see. I’m I’m getting closer and closer to my back being uh not as much a concern. So, I’ve been doing a lot of work. Uh oh, he’s testing your theory. James Ham, first man to beat a back injury. James Ham. I am at an advanced age, too. Let’s go, Hammer. Advanced age. Look at that. You’re calling me advanced stage. Yeah. You’re Well, hey, you’re fighting for the likes of uh Matt Stafford and Dwight Howard and Steve Nash and Larry Howard. Yeah. I uh I went and hit golf balls for the first time in like probably five years. Four or five years. Uh a couple of days ago and I paid for it like the next day. I was sore, but just, you know, again, my back is is to a point where I can actually do it. This game looks like it might be Looks like you’re dropping a little weight. I can see it. Uh I noticed it earlier today, but like I could see it in your face. Yeah, I’m down um around 17 18 pounds. There you go. I’ve gained a ton of muscle. Good for you. Great. The guy, the kid, he hit a rock at the third. The third baseman caught it. The third base was like, “Ah, what?” Sir, it went right to you. Didn’t have to. Yeah, we’re not going to take them serious until they lead off, too. I used to love Oh, man. Let the kids lead off. I was just going to tell everybody what I miss and Jesse was like, “Oh, we’re back.” Guess we’ll never know. Guess we’ll never know. Uh, you wanted James to expand on something when we got back. Yeah, we were talking about um the coaching situation and and how chaotic it was with Doug and Mike and and the staff. Yeah. And you know, I’ve talked about a number of different times how that potentially could um be be something in favor of the Kings having a little bit more stability and potentially being a little better than they were last year. But I I’ve never heard James kind of talk about it. How how much of a benefit do you think that would be to have cohesion on the coaching staff and have Doug Christie not doing every single thing and being able to delegate? Do you think that could result in in wins or a better locker room or a more cohesive locker room that that goes towards winning? Oh yeah, totally. I mean like look, a a coaching staff is like having a really good staff is so important. like having Mike Woodson on this staff is incredibly important. Um, you know, because he’s got so much experience doing this that it it’s going to be like second nature. Like Doug won’t even have to delegate as much as Mike will just say, “Hey man, I got you. I I’ll go take care of this stuff, this, this, and this for you.” And then Mike will delegate that to somebody. you know, like there’s going to be a way in which this thing should work really well where Doug can stay fresh himself. He’s still going to be hyperfocused. He’s still going to like work his butt off to make sure that he’s trying to fix every problem that they have. But I think at the NBA level, we all know that like like there’s only so much you can do. Like you can like a great coach can can help you win a couple extra games, right? and a great system can can help you make a six or an eight-year playoff run versus like a one or two or three four-year playoff run, right? Like having that sort of structure and all that stuff in place that can help you. Um, but at the end of the day, like you can’t make somebody taller and you you can’t some make somebody move their feet faster, at least not all the time. I mean, sometimes you can work with them and the training staff during the summer, but you know, you can’t make somebody into a shot blocker that’s not a shot blocker. And you can’t Doug Christie doesn’t get to play defense and he doesn’t get to hit three-pointers and he doesn’t get to be a secondary playmaker for this team. He has to rely on the players to actually do that. So, there’s always going to be a limit as to what a coach can do. And it’s why, you know, the the San Antonio Spurs, like we we talked about earlier, today is David Robinson’s 60th birthday, which just makes me feel really old. Yeah. But also, you know, Greg Papovic, uh, he took over that Spurs team the year that David Robinson missed the year with back surgery and they were so bad that they got the first pick in the draft. The first pick in the draft became Tim Duncan. They had Twin Towers. They won championships. Well, you know, Greg Papovich, I think we all consider one of the greatest coaches of all time. And Greg Papovich hasn’t won anything since Tim Duncan retired, you know, like it it you can be a great coach, but you know, I think Phil Jackson uh was a smart enough man to know that once Michael Jordan wasn’t going to play anymore and you got your six championships there, you should probably go somewhere where they have the next Michael Jordan and go coach the Lakers and win another three championships. So, like having good players is is a really big deal. And at this point, like Doug doesn’t have that. You know, we talked about this the other day, Kenny. Like, you know, the best player, you don’t want Domos to be your best player, but you also need a a first best player that’s way better than what any of the the players the Kings have, you know? And so like having that that 1A, it doesn’t just help the players around you kind of fit into a like a structure better. It helps your head coach. You got somebody out there who’s willing to take the big shots, who’s willing to do all of the dirty work that that we don’t consider dirty work, the scoring, the consistency, the, you know, bringing the fire, like rallying the troops on the court and getting them to go one direction. Like when you don’t have that, it it’s tough on the coach as well. uh because he’s going to be the one who has to carry some of that, but also who has to figure out like what exactly is my pecking order, you know, and a pecking order should naturally just work itself out. But, you know, you’re a young coach, like we don’t know how this is going to work out fully with Doug and and hopefully it does. It works out well, but it’s still tough. Uh you talk about, you know, it helps to have really good players. Um Kings, of course, had Dear Fox last year until they didn’t. He’s a member of the San Antonio Spurs. Uh we were on the air together um the insiders and deal and KC when news of that contract has broke that the air Fox signed that four-year contract with the San Antonio Spurs. A lot has been written uh by the NBA media about that contract in recent days. What do you think about it? You covered De’aran his entire career. Uh he’s off to San Antonio. is going to be in a completely different type of role. Uh that’s a that’s a team that’s banking on their young guys being great, but they locked him up as one of their highric players. Was that the right move for San Antonio or is is that something they’re going to look on in a couple of years as Dear being more disposable? Yeah. So, I don’t want to be hypocritical here because he if he would have signed that deal in Sacramento, we all would have applauded like like just being honest. like we would all been like, “All right, you got De’Aran locked up for, you know, the next six years.” So, like that that would have been something that I I think everybody kind of celebrated here in Sacramento. The outside probably would have had the same murmurss like you’re giving a bunch of money to a guy who uh made it to one playoff series and lost that playoff series, right? And couldn’t get out of the the playin game the next season, right? So, I think it’s one of those things where like look, I don’t know that San Antonio had a bunch of options. Um, I I also know that like when you’re dealing with De’Aran, you’re dealing with Rich Paul and that that matters when you’re San Antonio because there’s going to be a bunch of other players that are Rich Paul guys and like you’re trying to build something and and you might need Rich Paul to help you build that thing. Um, but I just, you know, the contract is high. It is. And you know, like is De’Arren a max money player? He’s he’s really close to a max money player, but you know, most of the players that make that type of money. Like we talk about the Domos money, $47 million that he makes like in the last year of his deal. Tack on another 10 million and that’s what De’Arren got. I mean, basically average annual salary of 57 million a year. It’s just so much money. And you better be a 1A. And I don’t care if there’s another 1A on your team, you better still be a 1A. You just better have two 1As. Uh because that that money is going up and beyond what it is, you know, that even like a Domos makes. So like look, do I hate the deal? I don’t hate the deal. Um but I also don’t look at the deal in the same way that I hear some people were like, “Oh well, you know, if one of these two young point guards develop, you just trade De’Aran.” It’s like, good luck with that. I mean, good luck with finding a team in year two that’s going to come up with 53 million bucks or 46 million bucks to match salary or whatever. That’s just going to be really tough to do. And you know, we saw it a couple years ago when teams had the option between trading for Dear Fox or Tyres Hallebertton. Tyresese Hallebertton didn’t make any money. De’Aran Fox was on, you know, the early stages of that second contract where he’s making 30 something million dollars a year, but like low30s and people weren’t jumping at that contract then. So, you know, basically double that contract and that’s just for me it’s a it’s a tough investment. Uh, and and I hope that, you know, Darren Darren has a a ton of success there. Um, but that’s a lot of money. There is one team that we talked about that I forgot could make a move for De’Arra Fox and it actually all fits out well is well to be clear it wouldn’t be that team making a move for right you’re right it’ be the Spurs making a move for that player and I thought about the Giannis aspect of it Giannis would be the the one guy who the monies match up’s probably a little older than the the Bucks would want when you talk about restarting or building around, but I mean he still maybe could be under 30 and you get a bunch of picks and that’s I I agree with you. I thought it would be very very difficult to trade De’Arren Fox on that contract. That was the one that I thought about, well, this actually probably does work. San Antonio might be looking for a guy like Giannis in a year or two if Giannis ever says he wants out. Yeah, that’s always a possibility. I also think like if you’re the Bucks, you’re looking at the other guys, you’re looking at like how do you get Dylan Harper, how do you get how do you get Castle? How do you get Vel? Um just because if you’re the Bucks, you’re starting over and you don’t want a 28-year-old, 27, 28 year old. And even like the like I think we were talking about this the other day, the final year De’arren’s new contract, he’s 32 making 63 million bucks. That’s a lot of money. It’s crazy. 63, man. Yeah, that’s a lot of money. That’s a lot of money. And so, like, look, you you might be on to something. They they might look at the the deal there for uh Giannis down the road. Um but like the Bucks would have to have a whole bunch of other players like lined up and ready. And I mean, we see how difficult it is to build a team around Giannis in Milwaukee. How much more difficult would it be to build a team around De’aran in Milwaukee for basically the same money? Well, I don’t think they’re trying to build around Dear. I think they’re probably working on the process of starting over. Well, that’s why I I would say they would ask for your young players as opposed to Fox and then that’s where becomes an issue. And is there going to be a way that you could afford Fox, you know, Wimby making 40 million, you know, in his second contract or even more and then Giannis making, you know, 60 plus. And the answer is probably not because I mean, you’re already, you know, if you had all three of those players right now of 40 and 260s, you’re already looking at like that’s 160 million bucks in cap space. you’re you’re right, you’re over the the salary cap, you’re you know, you add three or four players and you’re in the luxury tax like a long ways into it. So, it just becomes really difficult to build a team like that. And again, like I don’t think the Bucks would would take a Dear Fox and a swap for Giannis because you you’re not going to be able to build the team around De’aran either. You know what I’m saying? you’re still you still have a 60some million dollar contract on your books and that’s that’s nearly you know if you’re starting over it’s really difficult to build off with that. So do you think that contract was a mistake? I mean I I don’t know if it was a mistake. I just like like team building and stuff wise like if they could have got De’arren Fox at 45 that would have made a lot more sense than 57 annual because that’s that’s a big difference. That’s a big difference in your ability to trade a player, your ability to do everything. And you know I don’t begrudge De’aran for taking every dollar that he can. Absolutely. Yeah. But uh at the same time, like if you’re building a a club, the Spurs have had a long history of getting guys like that to take less than max money. And that’s not what you did right right here. Like even I don’t think Tim Duncan ever got full max money. And if he did it, it was like only a handful of the years he was there. Not the entire time. You know, a lot of guys in San Antonio take less than the market value. He did threaten to go to the Orlando Magic once. He did. He did. It was all time great story. I know that’s not how these things work, but I’m just looking at like the guys, if you wanted to move on from Deer and um the guys that make that type of money, um number one, I don’t know if you would move on from him. And obviously like you can package two $25 million year players and you know do it that way. But we’re talking about you know Jaylen Brown maybe that might be a guy we’re talking about Jimmy Butler Joic Booker Towns. Like I can’t imagine San Antonio trading the Fox for one of these type of guys. Um so outside of the Giannis one and the Jaylen Brown one. I didn’t realize he made that much money. And I don’t know who he would move the Fox for in that situation. That would that both and in and in in someone’s first round pick. There you go. There it is. Cap filler. Yeah. Cap filler. So good. But like I said though, good for Dear uh getting that money, getting that bag. He’s he’s he’s definitely earned it and now things will change because he’s got that price tag on him. So it’s not gonna be you got the price tag and you got Wimby. It’s not going to be cute. Your coverage is going to change. Yeah. This is It’s not going to be cute to be in the first round. Yes. Well, yeah. It’s not going to be James Ham kindly asking you questions after your latest four of 10 shooting performance. It’s going to be Stephen A. Smith ripping you for 90 straight minutes talking about how Wimby needs a true superstar next to him. Yeah. No, that’s a tough thing, man. Like you’re going to have a magnifying glass on you. And like look, I I I think that that that team’s going to probably there’s a good chance they’ll play Christmas Day, you know, like now. Like everyone wants to watch when we play and like the spotlight is going to be on you now. Like if Fox I believe we had I believe we had San Antonio and New York. I believe that was the our matchup. We have the Spurs at the Garden. We should figure out how many we get right. Yeah. Well, I wrote them down. I need to write them a little clearer because I wrote a bunch of team. Every time we listed a team, I wrote it down and then I just started drawing arrows to who we What did you do that that one time you put notes and it was just like Dearon, you’re like, I don’t know why I wrote Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, I still have my notes from my conversation with the Aaron and I can’t figure out what most of them mean. But you gotta use that big that big whiteboard behind you. Yeah, that’s that’s what it is. We have We have Spurs. We have Spur. We We went so far as to assign them Spurs at Knicks. We did that. I think we swayed KC on doing Lakers and Mavericks. Begrudging. Very begrudgingly went with that one. But we went Lakers and Mavs on Christmas Day. Oh yeah. Uh we did Warriors and Rockets. Uh let’s see. Warriors Rockets. Then we have uh OKC. I think that’s Boston. Yeah, Boston at OKC. That’s what it was. The the movie theater game. Boston at OKC. Yep. And then Clippers Nuggets for the night cap. Oh yeah. There you go. Good call. We put like some Thunder on Christmas Eve. They don’t even have no games on Christmas Eve. Just have them there by themselves. Yeah. like maybe a Christmas special or something for the Thunder. They don’t need Christmas. That Clippers Nuggets game is not moving me at all. But none of the 7 o’clock games do ever. No, that’s true. I don’t know. That Clippers team, I don’t know. Yeah, both both I mean, be honest, both of those teams are pretty good. I think so. Yeah, they both lose. I love it. Didn’t happen when I was here. I love that Chris Paul went back to the Clippers. Yeah, I’m with Absolutely love that. Yeah. Yeah. I think there’s a clearcut top four in the West. I I I think OKC, Houston, Denver, and the Clippers. Yeah, I agree. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it’s possible the Lakers. Y’all Okay. I was going to say y’all are really down on the Lakers. Well, I would say that’s the fifth. Okay. Yeah, that’s the fifth team. I I don’t know outside of that. Like, well, I’m glad everyone has come around on how I feel about the Timberwolves and Ain’t nobody thinking about their asses. They might be six. They might be better than the Warriors. They might be. No, they they they might be. I The Warriors are the one, and I’m hesitant to say this because they’ll, you know, they’ll they’ll pop out of the casket like that zombie and thriller. I I I don’t think that team is I think that was a a post trade deadline adrenaline rush. It was a good basketball team. Obviously, Steph gets hurt. like you don’t really know how it could have ended, but I don’t know that they’re doing that for 82. I agree. And that’s where I just kind of get stuck on like could they be a 40some win? Like they’re not they’re not going to be a bad basketball team unless Steph isn’t playing, right? Like that that’s probably they’re they’re not ascending though. That’s a 46 win basketball. 46 47 win basketball team. Even like they don’t have a like something that you’re penning your hopes to for the future at all. Oh god. No, no, no. No, the Warriors are are starting over, right? Well, I mean, Pods uh like I’m going to put him in the same level of of uh like prospect as Nick Clifford. Well, Kenny was being sarcastic. He doesn’t like Pods. My mom doesn’t like Pod. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I like Pods is somewhere probably between you know again Devin Devin Carter and Nate Clifford as far as like the level of player that you expect him to be. So and if there is one thing you don’t want to be it’s in the category of Devin Carter. We almost went the whole day. We almost went the whole boy. Hey I keep saying I’m gonna keep saying this. The Warriors would be a a much better team if they just made the deal for Malik Monk. Figure out what you got to do with Buddy Heield. Like, I don’t care. Like, figure out what you got to do with with Moses Moody. You don’t want to play him anyways. Yeah, that’s the crazy. They be holding on to Moses Moody and give him the scraps of the minutes every year. Yeah, they act like they played Moses Moody 40 minutes last year. Oh, we don’t want to move on from it. What? Yeah, they give him the scraps all the time and just never want to trade him. Yeah. I mean, even like we talk about that deal like if you were to throw like say say you throw Moody into that deal with the Kings and so it was Moody Moody and Kaminga and then going back you throw in like Devin Carter and you might have to have one more. Love it already. that might actually balance out some of the salary issue and then the Kings it would be on the Kings to go find a way to to dump salary like but I I do think that there is no dump don’t don’t dump no salary you’re going to go sign someone after you do that you get Devin’s ass out of here you trade Malik you you can take Moses Moody back you get Jonathan Kaminga and you go sign Russell Westbrook yeah but you’re way over the luxury tax don’t care James don’t care don’t care you Put me on an apron if you want to. Put me on an apron. Hey, I I mean that’s a good question though. Hey, if you were if you were the Kings, would you give up an unprotected pick if it meant you got Moody and Kaminga and it swapped that that you know again if you if you like you can send Sar, let’s just say you package the whole deal. You do Sarich and uh Devin Carter along with uh Malik Monk. Then what they could do is they can wave Sarich and drop back and lose some money off the cap and then and stretch provision him and then the Kings would have to find a way to release to get rid of some money but not not as much. I mean it’d be like 8 10 million you’d have to get rid of. So anyway, I would I I’d strongly consider that because you’re getting two guys, you know, you’re trying to get younger and all this other stuff and you’re getting two guys under 25. I think Moody’s still under 25. He probably like 20. He was a freshman when he came out, so he’s probably like 23, 24 years old. Just totally mocked the Warriors. Like he’s We’ll take your two timelines. Yeah, 23. We got our own two timelines. Yeah, I There you go, J. James, go call somebody. Yeah, go make it happen. Yeah, that’s a good one, Amber. Let’s get that done. this as long as it includes Devin Malik and Devin and your your pick. You you get that to you get that to to to San Francisco. Boy, you’ve got uh you got something going on here with Devin. I don’t you know I don’t know what it is, man. It’s I’m feeling something different some vibe from you. It it seems to get worse by the day. That young man didn’t do anything to me. Didn’t even get to play a full year last year. Went into the season hurt. There’s just something about him that agitates me. I can’t I can’t figure it out. This I don’t know what it is. It’s just I I’m just bothered by him and I can’t see a scenario where he becomes a good basketball player or and certainly they can’t play him at point guard, man. Like that’s the like if if that’s really the plan. This is just bad news for everybody if that’s something that they’re really considering doing. They cannot play that kid at point guard that I don’t think I don’t think he’s going to be playing all that much. So, I mean, if he’s here, I I don’t think that there’s all the more reason he should be somewhere else. He is a a he he is a Monty McNair stain that remains on this organization. Yo, like I’m you bigger than that, man. I’m not wrong. You’re right. You’re 100% correct. Monty McNair. That was that still has no explanation as to why this happened. That was a nail in the coffin for me. Monty McNair with that and and not even just Devin Carter, but the scenario. I’m going to assume you knew he needed surgery. Why would you do that? I’ll frame this better. Give Devin a fresh start. Give Devin an opportunity to go play somewhere. Give him an opportunity in a in a back court that’s not crowded. Give him an opportunity where he can go get minutes and play ball. Yes. I’ll I’ll frame it in a better way because I and I think you agree with this too. I still think you’re dealing with an NBA player. I think he’s an NBA player. Rotational guy. Yeah. League is the NBA. See that? See that? I’m glad I stayed out of this conversation. Dame trying to send him to the big three down here. Oh, you should Hey, Dame. Go listen to the the clip of Nancy Lieberman telling telling telling everybody what what she thinks of uh Jeff Teague after his take on uh Caitlyn Clark. Yeah, I saw I saw that. All right, I’ll go pull it up now. We’re going to head over to 1025. We will be back here uh tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. with James and Kyle, the insiders here on Sacramento Sports Leader, ESPN 1320, Vamos, Connecticut Little League. Other way, James. Other way. Got to be this way. Oh, shoot. Got the balloons. I still have never seen Look at that. I was first time seeing it. It’s a It’s a Apple FaceTime situation. So, you’re on you’re on a Mac, right, James? Yeah. Yeah. That’s funny. Ryan loves when that happens. That’s terrific. That’s amazing. All right. All right, y’all. We’re going to shut down. We got work to do. We appreciate you guys as always. We will see you tomorrow.
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