How Much Is Jaden Ivey Worth On An Extension With The Detroit Pistons? | Marcus Sasser Hidden Gem?
Jane Ivy’s extension. The talk continues. How much is he worth? We’re going to break that down and come to an answer in today’s episode Locked on Pistons podcast. Let’s go. You are Locked on Pistons, your daily Detroit Pistons podcast, part of the Locked On Network, your team every day. What’s the deal? Welcome back to another episode of the Locked On Pistons podcast. Per usual, I am your host Kahu AB covering the Detroit Pistons over the last four years for the lockdown network and credential media member over the last three years. I appreciate all of you guys who make Lockdown Pistons your first listen of every single day. The everydayers I appreciate all the support you guys have given me and continue to give the podcast every single day. Even during the offseason, we keep it going. And today’s episode is brought to you by Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, and use code locking NBA for $20 off your first purchase. In today’s episode, we’ll be talking about a little later whether Marcus Sasser is a hidden gem on the Detroit Pistons waiting to be found. I wrote about this over on the Substack a week and a half ago or about not even a week and a half ago, a week ago now. Uh I’ll link that down below for you guys to read it if you guys want to check it out. Has a lot more film breakdown, but we’ll discuss it on the podcast today. And also the Pistons sign Javvante Green. They’re now at 14 roster spots. We’ll talk about what that means a little bit later as well, but we’re going to start with everyone’s favorite Detroit Pistonant, Jayen Ivy. He obviously is up for a potential contract extension this offseason. We’ve talked about that a lot, him and Jaylen Dur, which we’ll talk about Jaylen Dur in the next episode. Talk about how much he is worth um again in the next episode. But Jane Ivy up for an extension this off season. And there’s been a lot of talk over the last few days about how much is he actually worth because John Hollinger of the Athletic put out an article talking about why we’re seeing the stallmates in restricted free agency with like a Quinn Grimes with a Jonathan Kaminga. We got a recent report about Bandic Matther and what he’s wanting from the Pacers and them being off. So John Hollinger wrote a whole article about how restrictive free agency is working, why it’s not, you know, picking up as much as it did maybe in the past. And then he went through multiple players from the 2022 and 2023 drafts that are up for an extension or have recently gotten paid and discussed, you know, where their situ situation sits and what he said about Jay and Ivy caused a lot of talking point or a lot of talking, I should say, within the Pistons community. So, I’m going to read you what he said about Jay and Ivy, and then I’m going to give you guys my thoughts, obviously. But, he wrote, “After a 2024 or 2025 season that was mostly lost to injury, I have a hard time seeing how the Pistons and Ivy could come to a resolution on a long-term number. The Pistons are under no long-term cap pressure and can afford to wait a year and gather even more information, even if it cost them a bit if I breaks out.” There’s also a fascinating cap scenario where Detroit gives Ivy a one-year balloon payment next summer to set itself up for either inseason trades or 2027 cap space. Real quickly, I don’t know what that one-year cap nerd scenario that he talks about in here. I’m trying to figure out what exactly that is. I don’t think the Pistons are going to do that, but I’m trying to get a little bit more um explanation on what that whole cap nerd scenario is that he’s talking about. But he goes on to say, “Meanwhile, Ivy likely has just as much incentive to push up the value of his next contract rather than settle, my goodness, for what would likely be a MLES type money on an extension. for what it’s worth, his board uh evaluation only sees him as a $10 million value player and surely Ivy would frown at any figure in that range. So, everyone was kind of up in arms over the $10 million value. Now, that is just John Hollinger’s board evaluation of contracts and he has Ivy in the $10 million range. Obviously, I don’t think anyone agrees that Jane Ivy is a $10 million player. He is more than a $10 million player. Jane Ivy, yes, would definitely probably ask for a trade as soon as someone if someone tried to offer him $10 million. That’s just a a model that he put together. That’s just a model that has, you know, its own calculations, whatever. He’s not worth a $10 million player. I’m not or he’s not a $10 million player. He is more than that. I’m not going to spend too much time with that. What I want to go to is this though because everyone’s kind of like I I don’t feel like I’ve really seen a lot of people kind of hammer down an exact number that they actually want to pay Ivy. It’s kind of been a little dancing around like the exact contract of what it should look like. So I I think this context is needed here. Jay Ivy has a lot of fans in this community. He has a lot of fans, a lot of fans in this community in the Pistons fan base. A lot of people think very highly of him. But what has to be understand understood I should say is this the market for his type of archetype and what that market looks like and then also understand that the Pistons I think Hollander 100% is correct that the Pistons are in a wait and see and just gather more information situation right now. So let’s go. I I went and found every player I believe that is of the same type of archetype as either either one the same type of archetype as Ivy around the same age as Ivy and kind of serves the same purpose for their team as Ivy. I found a bunch of players and I went through and found their contract. So, I want to go through and name their contracts. So, Colin Ston, he’s making $18.9 million on his contract this year. He had to be attached with a second round pick to be moved. Anthony Simons, offensive heavy player, very efficient offensive player, but bad defender. $27.6 million was basically traded to the Boston Celtics as part of some cap relief. And the Celtics are still trying to find a way to move them to create even more cap relief. Cam Thomas sounds like that people or the Nets want to pay him around $16 million a year and Cam Thomas is looking for 25 plus million a year. Sounds like he might go ahead and settle for the qualifying offer of around $6 million because of that difference. But sounds like from what I’ve read that most people have him valued at around a $16 million contract, which is probably where Brooklyn would feel comfortable signing him at. They haven’t come to a resolution yet. Tyler Hero, offensive heavy all-star, $31 million player. Now, we’ve heard some reports over this summer and read some things over this summer that teams aren’t exactly enthusiastic about taking that contract on in a trade. And it’s why Miami maybe hasn’t been able to get as many deals as they’d like to get done. Hero is a very good player, but it sounds like maybe teams don’t want to pay that much for an offensive heavy player with that lacks defense, but Tyler Herro probably is the best player in this group or one of the best players in this group. And I’d say probably has come the closest to deserving that type of money. But let’s keep it going. Norman Powell, $18 million, was just moved. Had a great season this past year. He’s making 18. Jaylen Green is making $33 million this year. And that is the bar. It seems like players of IV’s archetype, like a Cam Thomas, like a Benic Mathan. It seems like that’s the contract they’re looking at and saying, “Well, if Jaylen Green got $33 million, I want that, too.” And the problem is Jaylen Green’s not worth that $33 million. Everyone agrees that he’s not worth that $33 million. And everyone in the front offices across the NBA are saying, “Just because one team gave him a bad contract doesn’t mean we need to give you guys a bad contract.” And the only reason why the Houston Rockets structured Jaylen Green’s contract in which the way they did was solely for the purpose of trading him. And son Jaylen Green even talked about after getting traded, they structured this contract simply to have salary matching um purposes to go make a trade for him a year later. And that’s exactly what they did. Now, we’ll see if he blows up with with the Suns. I don’t think it’s likely, but Jaylen Green for sure has not come close to earning $33 million. So using him as a standard is just not fair. Jordan P $31 million. a guy who was shipped out to Washington. Kind of has been forgot about. He’s an efficient scorer, one of the best pull-up shooters in the NBA this past year, but again, not the greatest playmaker and not a very good defender. Is he worth $31 million? Who knows? Austin Reeves is projected to make 30 plus million on his next contract for the Los Angeles Lakers. He might be the best player on this list, depending on who you ask. He’s probably around worth that much. Malik Monk, 18 to $20 million is what he’s making this year and next year. Malik Monk can’t be traded apparently by the Sacramento Kings. No one wants to take on his contract. Doesn’t make much sense, but to me at least I think he’s worth that much, but still $18 to $20 million for a guy who was in six million of the year running it just two years ago. Apparently hard to trade somehow. Emanuel Quickley $32.5 million. Toronto does not Toronto wishes they didn’t sign into that contract as they’ve seen to try to trade him over the last year or so. And not many people seem to be interested in paying Emanuel Quickley $32.5 million. You go on to Derek White who probably another player that you would argue is the best player on this list is making 28 to $34 million over the next few years. I think he’s worth maybe even more than that contract, but he is definitely earning every bit of that contract. Derek White Polly is the best player. And then you got Jaylen Suggs who signed, he was around the same age as Ivy, got drafted around the same time as Ivy, is making 35 million this year, but is deescalating every year after that to, I believe, around $26 million. So, it’s a good contract for the Orlando Magic. I list all those contracts for a reason because I don’t want everyone to just be throwing out contract numbers of Jane Ivy and not looking at what the market is telling us. So the market as they’re looking at those contracts, what the market is telling me is that these highle scores, they’re peaking at around $30 million and the teams that given these high, you know, the these offensive scores that aren’t that great defensively, once they do give these guys that large contract like that, most of them have started to regret it. So, and then also we we’ve discussed multiple times about some of these players being hard to move apparently, even again like a Malik Monk who’s on an 18 to$20 million contract. So, in my opinion, what I would pay Ivy, I think what is a reasonable expectation or a reasonable ask, a reasonable contract for Jane Ivy if he signs this summer, which I don’t think is smart for him because I think if he plays better, he could get more next year and maybe the Pistons would be obviously more willing to give him more money if they get another season’s worth of him playing. So, I agree that he probably won’t sign this summer because I just don’t think it makes sense for either side to sign unless the Pistons give on a good deal. Then it makes sense for the Pistons. But I believe Ivy is probably worth because you also are paying for a low project projection as well. I guess I feel like he’s somewhere between 22 and $24 million. I think that’s where 20 to$24 million in that range. It should be where the Pistons are at. I think that’s probably where they are at. And I don’t think if he’s willing to take that. I think the Pistons may even go lower to around $18 to $24 million, but I think that’s where he should probably be valued at as of right now. Now, obviously, he could be better in the future, which is why it probably makes more sense for Jane Ivy to not sign an extension this off seasonason and just wait till next year, go into restricted free agency and see, you know, after a good season, see if he gets a pay raise, which he probably would. But as of right now, it doesn’t make sense for the Detroit Pistons with an extension coming up for Darren as well, an extension coming up for Ron Holland and Assar Thompson in the next two or next year. Jaylen Dur potentially this year as well. I don’t think it makes sense for the Pistons go up to the numbers of the guys like a Jordan P or a Jaylen Green or a Tyler Herrell where the team or Emanuel Quickley where teams seem like they regret giving them that money. Stay in a range as of right now based off what that player showing you that feels comfortable for you. that if it doesn’t work out, you can still move him without having to attach multiple assets because he’s viewed as a bad contract. You have to be safe. You have to be safe with this and everything we’ve seen from Traion that he’s a very patient and safe GM or president basketball operation. So, I believe 20 to$24 million is where the Pistons are at. I think that’s a fair evaluation. I do think, however, that Jay Ivy probably would not like that and he will go into the season waiting to see if he can get more than that. So, we’ll see what happens. But is he worth $10 million like that model said? Absolutely not. He’s worth more than that. I that’s that’s insulting. Is he worth the $33 million from Jaylen Green? Absolutely not. Do you want to pay him around quickly money? Jordan Pool money? No, you don’t. The the Pistons will not pay him that much. So I think 20 to $24 million a year. Maybe a four-year $90 million deal. What is that? That’s around like what 22 and a half I believe. four years. Let me just make sure I got this right. Yeah, 22 and a half. I think that’s probably what the Pistons will offer. Um or are hovering around maybe fouryear 97, something like that. Maybe at the most four years 100, but I I think that’s around the area you’re looking at right now. Um, so we’ll see if it happens, but I I’m again I remain to be I remain in this in the camp of an extension won’t be done with Ivy this summer because it doesn’t make sense for Ivy to take that low of a number if he thinks he’s more than that and definitely doesn’t make sense for the Pistons to go that high of a number that Ivy probably wants right now. So let me know comment section down below or over on Twitter. How much do you guys think Jane Ivy is worth and how much would you pay Jay Ivy on a contract extension this off season? Let me know comment section down below or over on Twitter. Coming up is Marcus Sasser. One of the only first round picks left from before, or not one of the only first round picks left, but one of the only first round picks, actually the only first round pick that doesn’t get consistent rotation minutes. Is he actually a hidden gem on the Pistons roster waiting to be found? We’ll talk about that coming up. Today’s episode’s brought to you by Game Time. We’ve all been there, logging on early and waiting forever for concert tickets to go on sale, only to lose your spot for a show you’ve been dying to see. Live music should be about making memories, not dealing with the stress of ticket shopping. That’s where game time comes in. Game time makes getting concert tickets faster and easier than ever. Prices actually drop as you get closer to Showtime. You can save up to 60% off with their killer lastminute deals. Tired of endless scrolling trying to find the best deal? Game time zone deals. Pick the best seats in the Earth section for you. 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I do want to say just real quickly, final point on the Jane Ivy uh topic we just went over. I should have mentioned this, but it took me I probably wasted a little bit too much time to be honest going through all the contracts. We probably should have went done that a little bit faster so I could could have got this point in. I know the immediate response will be and and it’s a good argument that if you pay Ivy early, even if you pay him a little bit more than what he’s worth right now, maybe you end up getting him on a bargain later on because of like for example a player on the team, Isaiah Stewart at the time, maybe Isaiah Stewart wasn’t worth that contract at the time, but now it’s looked as an incredible contract because he’s probably worth more than that contract. So maybe if you sign Ivy to a little bit more right now, maybe you sign him to 26, 27, 28 million this summer. He’s not worth that right now. But maybe you believe, okay, next year he’s going to be so great that if we wait, we’ll have to pay $33 million. Maybe if you look at it from the Pistons perspective, if that’s the way you look at it, I can understand that point of view for sure. However, Trejan Langden has proven and shown that he is a patient person and he said over and over and I’ve said over and over what I’ve heard is that they’re in a gathering information uh phase right now. So, I believe it’s not impossible. We have two months to go. Maybe they come to an agreement on contract. Definitely could happen. Not saying it’s impossible at all. Just based off what we’ve been told from Trajan Lang and based off what I’ve heard, I think that it’s much more likely that Traan just plays patient and like Hollander mentioned in his The Athletic article, the Pistons will pay. They’re okay with simply paying more this next offseason if they get more information about whether Ivy is what they want from him. So, I just want to make that final point. But now, let’s move into Marcus Sasser, who could be a hidden gem on the Detroit Pistons roster. I wrote about this over on the substack. I’ll link it down below for you guys. But I think most people who’ve listened to this podcast for years, first of all, I appreciate all of you guys. You guys probably know I’m not I haven’t been the biggest fan of Marcus Sasser. And I think majority after really thinking about and writing about it. I think the main reason why I haven’t been the biggest fan of Marcus Sasser is because he’s simply been played out of position. We’ve talked about that a lot. They’ve tried to force him into being this point guard. And this is something that Marcus Sasser talked about before last season where he talked about how throughout the offseason, throughout summer league, he’s really tried to improve at being a point guard, being someone who can run an offense because he knows that’s what they want him to be. That’s simply not what Marcus Sasser is. He is not that type of player. He is not a floor general. He’s not someone you really want playmaking. He’s not someone you want running your offense. That’s not the type of player he was. And when he was drafted by Troy Weaver years ago, at his press conference, they talked about him and Weaver both discussed how he can play next to bigger ball handlers and be that offball player next. And I know this name scares people, but Killian Hayes at the time they mentioned obviously Cade like that was the idea of when they drafted Sasser was for him to play next to bigger guards and him just be this offball scoring threat, which he can do. But since then, obviously, Weaver’s gone. The coach has changed. It was Monty Williams. He’s gone. And now, again, after a year, his rookie season where he played a little bit more point guard than I would have even liked, and I don’t think Monty Williams even really bought into it, but whatever. Um, then this past year, JB Bigger had him basically playing all of his minutes at the point guard position. According to basketball reference, more than 95% of his minutes were at the point guard position, which again just is not what he’s great at. And the best number the like there’s it’s hard to find numbers that like just just raw numbers that can point this out, but I think this does the best job of doing so. Before the Pistons acquired Dennis Rutder in the noncade minutes, they lost those minutes by 4.4 points per 100 possessions. After acquiring Dennis Shruder, the Pistons outscored their opponents in the non-cade minutes by 5.1 points per 100 possessions. What is that around a 9.5 9.6 uh onoff difference, the Pistons went from losing Cage minutes badly to badly winning his in his nine minutes. And it’s mostly due obviously to Dennis Shrud, a real point guard, coming in and having those mints instead of trying to force Marcus Sasser into what he isn’t. I think that has caused a lot of people and maybe even myself to look at Marcus Sasser and kind of just make him an afterthought and it’s like, you know, whatever, he’s not really a player right now. Let’s just, you know, toss him to the side. You can’t look at him as a real player. However, when you look into his season this past year, Sasser had a pretty efficient and and one of those seasons I feel like that if like if the Pistons traded for this player who didn’t play a lot of minutes that you know wasn’t a part of the mainstream rotation of their current ro their current team, they trade for this player and then you dive into these numbers, you’re like, “Okay, I can see why they believe there’s more here and you could have gotten a steal here.” I think that’s how you should look at Marcus Sassy here. past year career highs in three-point percentage 38.2% career high in two-point percentage 54.9% career high in true shooting percentage 58.9%. He had an efficient scoring season. He shot 47% from mid-range, 77th percentile in the NBA. He finished in the 80th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler scoring.99 points per 100 possessions or per possession, not per 100 possessions, per possessions. According to Shot Creator, Sasser had a 53.3 efficiency field goal percentage on pull-up jumpers. This would rank in the 29th of 150 qualifying players this past year. He shot 55% on floaters, 52.6% on non rim paint looks, shot 52 and a half% on setbacks this past year. I mean, just in every way possible, he was a in his limited minutes and whenever he got the chance, he showed that while he may not be a point guard, he is a legit scorer. He is a legit microwave scorer that can score in bunches in in in in short time. You give him two minutes, tell him to go out there and score, he can score eight points in those two minutes. He’s a legit scorer off the bench. Now, a lot of this is on small sample, so I guess if you want to take with a grain of salt, but the the film, which I included in the article if you want to read it. We did some film breakdowns, which I think you guys will really enjoy if you haven’t checked it out. The film backs this up. You watch Sassler play over the last two years, the numbers don’t just sound like a small sample, oh, you can’t really read into it. You watch him play, this backs it up. He gets a ton of creation with his handle on shot creation. Ton of separation. He has great touch in the mid-range area, great touch in the paint, great touch on floers, great touch on his shots. You’ll see him get a shooter’s bounce consistently. You’ll see him barely touch rim on a lot of his jumpers. He has a very very feathery touch, which which helps him a lot in the paint despite being such a small guard. In isolation this past year, 91st percentile in the NBA, scoring 1.13 points per possession. He can score in every way possible. So, is it possible that he is a hidden? I think so. I think Marcus Sasser could be a legit player in the NBA if another team identifies him and goes after him. The reason why I say another team is because I don’t think that opportunity is going to come this year for the Pistons. Still one. I think they still the only open area technically if you want to like try to get too technical is I guess the backup point guard position if you don’t want to consider Ivy or Caris Levert point guards. The problem is is that both of them are going to take those backup point guard minutes. They went and got Caris Levert who’s going to play who who the whole point of getting Carris Levert was to play that scorer off the bench role like the guy who’s going to be asked to be a scorer. He has a little bit more size better defender obviously not a little bit much bigger size. He’s going to take those mints. And then the backup point guard, whether you play Levert at the two or the one, we’ve heard over and over that Ivy’s going to get a lot of his mints at the backup point guard position. And they want to see how he looks as a backup point guard. You have Cade still. You have Assaar and Ron who probably going to take some of those minutes at the two or three, maybe even a Duncan Robinson. the the pathway to minutes for Sasser, pathway to consistent rotation minutes for this team, the pathway to being not a point guard, just as to be a microwave score off the bench. It’s just not there for the Pistons, I don’t believe this year. And if you believe there is, I’d love for you to paint me out the rotation that has all the players that the Pistons acquired, plus Ryan and Assar getting more minutes than they did last year. Because remember, Assar was on a minutes restriction, and Ryan was a rookie. Ryan’s going to get more minutes this year. SR is not going to be on a match restriction anymore that has also Jane Ivy in the backup point guard men we’ve heard that they want to give him it’s just not there. So I think if I was Sasser if I was Marcus Sasser he is 20 he’s going to be 25 in the season. Sorry he is an older prospect. If I was Marcus Sasser, I would be asking for a trade. And I know that there’s some Sasser fans in the Pistons community that probably won’t like to hear that, but the look step away from that angle and just look at it this way. There is no real pathway for minutes with him. And he’s 25. He’s not he wasn’t drafted as an 18 19 year old prospect that could sit three to four years, come in when he’s 22, 23, and then still have a 7 to8 year prime and not have to worry about it. He’s already going to be 25. His prime is knocking on the door. It’s not like he has another 10 years to go. He was an older prospect. He’s only getting older and it still doesn’t look like in year three he’s going to have a real pathway to mince and playing the way in which he thrives at. So if I was Sasser, I would ask for a trade. I would ask to go find somewhere else and I think another team that identifies him could get a real gem for a low price from the Detroit Pistons. The question obviously or the push back will be well coup why shouldn’t the shouldn’t the Pistons just make room for him if you think he’s this much of a gem. I mean yeah they could they could have but they didn’t they didn’t unless they trade all these players that they just acquired like it’s clear that he’s not in their rotation plans this year and he might if he is it will be again like the tenth man spot where he gets like maybe eight minutes here or 10 minutes there or you know that kind of thing. A player that I I am comparing him a lot to Peyton Pritchard. He was an older prospect. He showed that he could score early on. They didn’t play a lot for the Boston Celtics, but they ended up making a room for him, and now he just won six man of the year. Now, Payeyton Pritchard did wait a long time maybe, but he ended up playing a little bit. He played a little bit more than Sasser did. He was a part of the rotation consistently, but he wasn’t really unleashed until this past year to lot to play these heavy minutes. I think that’s what Sassar is like. I think he’s a on ball or not on ball, but I mean, yeah, he can create on ball as a scorer. He’s a guy you ask to go out there to score the basketball. You let him play 25 minutes and he’ll be able to go out there and score. And you surround him like the Celtics did with Pritchard. You surround him with big athletic wings, good defenders, another guy who can handle the ball handling responsibilities as it comes to creating for the offense and playmaking and ask him to simply be a scorer. And we saw how well that worked for Payton Pritchard. I think that could work for Marcus Sasser as well. The problem is I just don’t see it happening for the Pistons. And if I’m sasser, I’m not waiting any longer. I like I’m I’m getting older. I’d like to have a long NBA career that I actually get to impact the game and play well and play minutes. And I’m already going to be 25. I don’t have time to just keep sitting waiting around for someone to eventually give me a chance. That’s how I would feel if I was Marcus. But I do think there’s something there that another team could take advantage of. And I honestly for the best of Marcus, I hope I hope he gets that chance. I think he could be a legit NBA player in this league. Uh, I just don’t think he’s going to get that chance here. So, let me know in the comment section down below or over on Twitter, Cuckah Hill. Do you guys believe that Marcus Sasser could be a hidden gem for another team to find on the Pistons roster? Or do you believe the Pistons should just try to find any way to get him minutes? Or do you just simply believe he’s not as good as maybe I think he could be? Let me know comment section down below or over on Twitter at Cuckoo Hill. Coming up, the Pistons signed Javvante Green. They are now at 14 roster spots taken up. I’ll talk to you guys about what that means for them coming up. So, I want to thank you guys again for making locked on Pistons your first list of every single day. We are free and available on all your podcast platforms. If you haven’t already, head to the YouTube channel at Lockdown Pistons. Hit that subscribe button or leave us a five star review on whatever podcast platform you’re listening to this on. That’s another great way to support the podcast. Um, a few hours ago before I started recording this, I’m recording this midday of the 11th. Uh, Shams tweeted out in the morning that the Pistons have signed Javvante Green to a one-year contract after he played this past year in Cleveland and New Orleans. He is around 32 years old. This will be now his seventh uh, season in the NBA. What do I think about this signing? I think this signing basically is a nothing ber. He’s gonna be an end of bench guy. He’s another athletic wing, defensive-minded guy. Um, that if, knock on wood, god forbid, Assar or Ron goes down that maybe you feel good about playing him minutes because he can replicate some of the defensive stuff maybe. Um, but I I don’t Devonte Green is not someone who’s going to get rotation minutes. And honestly, he’s an end of bench guy, so you don’t need to analyze it too much. Basically, I was going to start analyzing a little bit too much, but he’s a bench guy. He’s filling out the bench, good for the locker room. He’s a hard worker. Like, he is he is a culture fit. That is 100% true. Um, and if again, if Assar or Ryan were, God forbid, knock on wood, suffer an injury, whatever, you need someone to come in and play some minutes. Javvante Green will come in and play defense, and he is athletic. Um, what does this mean for the Pistons? Now, they did give out a two-way contract contract to Dan Jenkins. Um they’re at 14 roster spots now, which means they can go into the season like this. They before they need to add at least one player to go into the season. Now they’re at 14. They can go into the season. So they don’t technically have to fill this last roster spot at 15. I know a lot of people believe or there’s a lot of people that want to believe that the Pistons are going to keep that extra roster spot open in case the Malik Beasley stuff clears up and they can give him a one-year contract. I know Malik Beasley was live on Instagram or was answering questions on Instagram or something, whatever podcast or not podcast but social media platform he does these things. It might be Snapchat. I I don’t know what he’d be doing. I’d be seeing like the the memes and stuff of what Malik Beasley be doing. It’s it’s interesting for sure. But like funny dude, I guess, but um I don’t keep track with it. But I know I saw a clip that he someone asked him what’s his plans for next year with the NBA. He said hopefully to return to the Pistons or you know there’s another there’s a few other teams that would be interested. The Pistons don’t want him and he’s been wearing Pistons gear still like almost every video he puts out of him working out. So is it possible that the Pistons are keeping that roster spot open for him in case things clear up and they can just sign him back? For sure that is possible. I think another likely scenario is that maybe they want to convert one of their two-way guys to a fully guaranteed deal. maybe like a Dan Jenkins. Um, if he plays really well and they want him uh to, you know, maybe he plays really well and they believe him as a backup point guard or whatever, maybe they want to give him a full fully guaranteed contract as a roster spot. So, I think that’s probably more likely. Um, I don’t think, if I had to guess, I don’t think they’re going to make another signing this offseason. I think their offseason’s done. I don’t think you should expect to see anything else from them. Um, if I had one critique about this signing, the only critique I have is I still feel like their weakest positions or the the positions they have the most or the least I should say depth, they still are struggling at. Like I would have loved if they wanted to go out and sign someone, go get a backup for a veteran forward that maybe doesn’t play minutes, but if he has to, you trust that he can. If Tobias does go down, knock on wood, like you have somebody that can come. I would have liked them to go after their backup four, but again, it seems like they’re really not prioritizing that. Seems like that they are planning on Ron Orsar or even both to take up a lot of those minutes. So, I think that’s another I think that’s probably the reason for that. But, I would have liked to see it. Um, the other position would be backup point guard because while you want to give Ivy all those minutes and maybe Levert can do it, I don’t think ne either of them are natural point guards and and they don’t really have anyone else on the roster that can do it. And you could argue, you could certainly make the argument that Kade’s really the only one on the roster that can do it. So, I probably would have, you know, spent one of these roster spots on a veteran PG that again doesn’t have to play, but if someone does go down, you can play him and you trust that he knows how to run the offense. Things won’t just fall apart if he’s on the floor. It’ll be a calming presence. That’s what I would have done. Um, so I guess that’s my only critique of signing Green instead. But again, it’s an end of bench guy. It’s not going I I don’t think it matters really all that much. Um, there is still one roster spot open, but the main things you need to know, one roster spot open. They can go into the season like this now. technically they still can do that with Malik Beasley wait and give him this last roster spot even though I don’t know if that’s incredibly likely and I don’t think that they’re going to make any other signings. I think they probably will go into the season with an open roster spot and that TPE remember they have that uh what is it 14 around 14 uh.5 million TPE that they got in the Dennis Shruder signing trade that they could use that TP to just take on a player into that roster spot. could definitely be also probably actually now I’m thinking about that might be the most likely scenario even though TPEs don’t get used very often. That could be just Traan trying to keep that option open to be flexible and we know how much Traan’s talk about flexibility. So, but that’s all I’ve got with you guys today on the signing. That’s all I’ve got for you guys today on today’s podcast. I appreciate all of you guys make locked on Pistons your first listen every single day. Free and available on all your podcast platforms. I hope you guys enjoyed today’s episode. Leave us a fivestar view, whatever podcast you’re listening to us on. Please hit that subscribe button. We are trying to get into the top five of most subscribed locked on NBA channels. But until next time, I’ll see you guys later. Stay safe out there and peace out everybody.
Jaden Ivey’s contract extension looms large for the Detroit Pistons. Is the young guard worth $22-24 million per year?
Host Ku Khahil breaks down Ivey’s potential value, comparing him to similar players and analyzing insights from John Hollinger of The Athletic. The discussion shifts to Marcus Sasser’s hidden potential, with a deep dive into his impressive efficiency statistics and a comparison to Payton Pritchard. Ku also examines the recent signing of Javonte Green and its implications for the Pistons’ roster composition.
Will Ivey secure his big payday? Can Sasser become a key piece for the Detroit Lions? Tune in for expert analysis on these crucial decisions shaping the Pistons’ future.
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36 Comments
20 per. Because that (4/80 or 5/100) can be traded if he proves to be a bad fit (or just remains a not-good player).
I really hope he gets his 3pt% up to 38% or higher. Then he just needs to play some D and he would be amazing.
Monty williams set ivey back
Fahr Troy Weaver!
Sasser is not a hidden gem lol
1st Listen. Yeah Ku, I like Ivey and IMO this is a prove it year for him. Prove it to himself. He has to show this league he belongs and can contribute as a legit starter. I'm a fan and I'm rooting for him. But the bottom line is, this is a business. Go earn it Ivey. Word up!!
We were a better team on both ends without him. Trade him for a real need.
Marcus Sasser is a real NBA player, but like you said he's a bad fit for the Pistons. If a team with a big, defense-oriented PG2 is willing to give up something good for him, then it'd be best for both Sasser and the Pistons.
Is he worth as much as we are paying Tobias a year? Probably that’s the limit. Closer to 20 is more ideal. But he could prove to be worth more
The national media is all running the story that no team will take the Monk contract.
But technically the source has said that GSW wants more picks for Kumminga than the Kings are willing to offer. Monk was mentioned as a sticking point.
While it's possible the media has been given background information that Monk has a bad contract I strongly suspect the situation has been misread by the media.
If the cost of moving Monk is a 2nd round pick swap is that actually proof he's on a bad contract?
Teams aren’t going to overpay for players that are 1 way talent. The majority of the players you mentioned aren’t all star caliber. Ivey if he can increase his production and be more consistent, I would be comfortable between $22M-$25M. He would have to that #2 option without question alongside Cade
Ivey was projecting to be about 20 to 22 million type of value with his speed and shooting from 3
I think Ivey earn a Franz contract average 21-5-5 on 46-88-40 with above average improve defense
No Cade or Brunson on this list is criminal 🤷🏽♂️
Ivey should get paid $28-$33mil per year. That is market value. We should not risk offending the core young guys by lowballing them. The issue is the risk in making it 4 or 5 years. Give him 3 years with the last year as a team option. We need tradable contracts too like Jalen Green situation. We only have Cade, Tobias and Stew as tradable contracts. We are an over the cap team now but a long way from the aprons paying Ivey and Duran short term doesn't hurt the team
Espero que el Piston renuncie a Malik Beasley con ese puesto abierto en la lista. Y creo que ese es su plan final.
Yeah, Ku….I think you're spot on with that twenty, to twenty four million before the season starts… But if he averages at eighteen five and five and hitting game winners like he was before he got hurt, in addition to improve defense which he was showing last year somewhat, I would think between twenty five, and twenty eight is what he would get, and what he would be worth in my opinion…. Based on other similar contracts around the league…
I think Ivey will be traded this year so Piston's offer partially will be based on making his contract attractive to a trade partner.
$120M
Nope, Ivey is below , a 18 million
Monk who is proven. Malik likely does not ever get his contract ever again.
Definitely not no 30+ mill. I think 75 mill 3yrs is a safe bet.
Sasser is solid. They just use him wrong. Sasser should play Beasleys old role. They won’t do it though. Don’t understand the levert signing at all.
22/24/26
Rather trade I’vey than Sasser too much questions around Ivey
I've been saying that about Sasser since the season ended. It's clear he's not a big part of the Pistons future plans and equally clear that he can fill that bench scorer role efficiently. He's exactly the type of guy who is a $10M a year guy like that model says Ivey is.
23 is my sweet spot for JI
Pritch is a better defender
Sasser reminds me of Pat Mills.
20-24 per for Ivey sounds right to me, as things stand
I'm still skeptical about Sasser. Defensive limitations because of his size, good on-ball scorer but less so at catch and shoot (so more difficult to play the 2), not a playmaker/point guard (so more difficult to play the 1). He's good in certain ways, but I'm not sure you can make team construction decisions around his skillset. I dunno, maybe his career will go on to prove me wrong.
Saddiq Bey getting hurt was such a harsh blow. He seemed on his way to being the next really good player the Pistons gave up on.
Nice guy JI! I say they pay him now before he shows out cause the way last season was going he was starting to heat up
IVEY is not a trade option.i wish yall stop saying he is and let him play first atleast this year.Yall gonna crush him and his spirits if yall trade him,hes got ties to the D.(Detroit)😅😅
If Ivey can stay healthy he should get at LEAST $20M…
Also, I really like Marcus Sassers’ game. He gives effort on defense too. I feel like he could be our TJ McConnell or Pritchard 💯
I'm not expecting much from my SF 49ers, my SF Giants are cooked for the season so I need more of my Deeetroit Pistons content!! Can't wait for the Season to Start! Go Pistons!
Any older Pistons fans on here? Doesn't Sass remind you of Vinny Johnson from the Bad Boys era?