The pick may have been worth it if a new competent coach was also a part of last summer’s strategy but it wasn’t and this whole squad looks bad now.
online_predator
Still like the trade, and moves like that are realistically the only way we’re going to eventually make ourselves contenders unless any of you think we’re gonna draft a superstar with the 16-19th pick.
Nate is the problem.
Aardvark-0001
The cost was a bit too much tbh. Too big a risk to take.
ViperStrikes123
No the juice in the franchise was needed
TraeOlder
Bruh LMFAOO I challenge y’all to not overreact to one bad game for a single night
Bowie_Nichols
Nope. Next question.
thestallion11
It’s an interesting question . Not because Murray is bad, he’s a great player but because of where we are as a franchise. If the ownership didn’t want to spend a lot of money to compete then it makes sense to not want to trade for Murray. Why give away assets for a guy who while very good doesn’t automatically make us a top tier team. If you want to spend picks on Murray then you have to commit to actually making the rest of the team good. You do that by spending money. Murray isn’t a top 20 guy who you can punt on having no depth with. He’s a great piece to a complete team. Which we don’t have at the moment
ForeverATLANTA
If only we coulda kept Huerter and traded Bogy to a team. I know he was still recovering from an injury but I’d assume someone would have been interested.
I like the DJM trade. Perhaps we gave too much but it seemed like we were willing to make a splash which felt different from most other years as a Hawks fan.
Nate is part of the problem. I know a lot more about Football, baseball and hockey in terms of strategy and what not… but when I watch the Hawks I feel like we are so fucking one dimensional on offense, pick and roll or iso most times. How the hell are we not more creative than that?
MarcoAnime
No because it’s clear a 2nd star was needed this a very dominant two man league and to win you gotta spend where the hawks messed up was cheaping out on depth and that hurt us throughout the season now that we have a bit better bench its kinda too late because we still have to get them fit in with 23 games left
javi_af
If we’re being honest we’re gonna need another star player to really win
jabiztownspaceagency
Tbh the actual cost for dejounte and hawks legend jock landale (2 of our own FRPs, a pick-swap, and a protected hornets FRP) at least to my uneducated eyes isn’t nearly as big as some say it is but idk
DearEmployee5138
Honestly the problem is the Front Office stopped there. This team needs more but it was a good trade. They needed 1 more big addition to become a contender but the FO stopped there🤷🏻♂️
llamadrama420
Yes
No_Internal404
Not really tbh .. I called this earlier and almost got ran out the hawks Reddit .. whenever a “playoff” team try to stay under the tax it’s not good , Nate wasn’t a good coach but they gave him the benefit of the doubt since we were hurt all last year & extremely top heavy .. I knew we were gonna be mid but not this mid .. I still think it was a good trade but going out their way to avoid the lux tax & trying to keep coaching in house we will never be serious . Simple
ahend1999
I feel like there’s more to it than not just wanting DJ. I’m sure Schlenk knew we needed that second star but who did he have his eyes on?
T-easy44
I dont think so. It was a risk but I still like the trade. DJ had what we were lacking. The problem is the other moves that did and didnt make.
SpontProcrastinator
Yes. Dejounte doesn’t fit with Trae. Trae, like most ball dominate players, needs shooters around him. Having a secondary ball handler is great but that ball handler also needs to be able to shoot. Kevin Huerter fit perfect. Hawks just needed a Lou Will replacement to come off the bench
LegendaryIam
I’m not against the trade, but I like/prefer Schlenks methodology. Try and build/develop talent with draft pieces and grab FA talent that can mesh with the team better. It worked for a bit then didn’t. Huerter is having himself a year to the point KD acknowledged him. But I feel coaching is the biggest flaw in our org vs anything else. Hard to say its GM oriented until we see this team with an accountable coach.
scottyrodawg
Not sure Trae wants to be waiting around. Kid is young and hungry and ownership prob wants to keep him happy. I guess I’m saying there was probably some pressure from upper management to pull the trigger when schlenk wanted to wait some more
D_DabMan
DJM in a vacuum, is a totally fine player, he would thrive as the primary ball handler on his own team, but he’s a poor fit with this team and severely overrated defensively.
He was supposed to make Trae’s job easier and improve our defense, but neither happened. Trae is now playing the most inefficient ball in his life and the defense is still shit. Trae is a rhythm player and the team is at its best when the ball in Trae’s hands, it was a symbiotic offense.
We didn’t just traded three 1st round picks + pick swap for DJM (which is a lot), but we also traded away our shooting/spacing (Kev and Gallo), and took away valuable possessions from our best offensive player.
I didn’t like the trade when it first happened, I thought the move was short-sighted, risky, and un-schlenky. It became suspicious when “Schlenk” (came from GSW) didn’t even bother to sign anyone to compensate the loss in our shooting, then signed guys that can’t shoot for shit (Jarrett Culver and Trent Forrest) lmao.
Acceptable-Taste-912
Yes. To be clear Dejounte is obviously a good asset that any team would like. But at the cost the Hawks paid for Dejounte, they could’ve gotten other players fitting more with what the Hawks needed.
AesopsTable2
Dejounte is averaging 21/6/6 on 46/36/84 with nearly 2 steals a game. He’s producing exactly what you’d want for a guy that commanded that price. He has not been a disappointment. The reason our record is the way it is is Trae has just not been good enough. Period. He’s making a large percentage of the teams total cap space and shooting like shit. We’re not gonna win many games when our number 1 is playing like he did today. It’s not Dejounte’s fault, his cap hold is relatively small and is not the reason our depth has been gutted. It’s Trae and John’s contracts that are the issue.
We’ve lost 14 games this season by single digits. If Trae shot the way he did last season, we’d win at least half of those close games, and our record would look completely different. We’d go from 29-30 to around where Cleveland is at right now. Trae just has to be better if he’s going to command a super max salary. He has to be the difference maker here. Dre is playing exceptionally this season, AJ has been a great addition and a big surprise, Clint when healthy this season has regained his form, OO has made strides offensively and defensively this season. The only ones on this team who have severely regressed are our two highest paid players, Trae and John
DoctorTheWho
It was a good trade, and they can work together, but they should have also acquired a legit big man who can shoot too.
Famous-Personality-2
shouldve never happened n the huerter trade shouldve never happened neither smh
techno-wizardry
No, and honestly he was wrong about extending Hunter and Collins for the kind of money they got. Their contracts so far have been busts, they can get a bucket but neither has stepped up defensively.
When I look back at the beginning of the downfall of the TS era, I don’t really think it started because of a Dejounte trade. I think it was the result of our offseason following our ECF run. He admitted as much, just paying all these guys at peak value without actually improving the roster was a huge mistake.
The best roster construction around Trae would be a lengthy secondary playmaker guard, big, physical wings and a mauling PF. Hunter’s game is too passive overall but especially defensively he’s not bringing enough. Collins has all the physical ability on defense but he doesn’t have that dawg mentality. It will be difficult for the Hawks to move Collins or possibly Hunter if it comes to it because TS overpaid for both.
darkwingduck9
I said as much at the time and would have been stronger in saying it but it was an opinion that fans didn’t want to hear and they definitely didn’t want to hear it presented strongly. It was obvious from the jump that this wasn’t a championship team as constructed even if the team was given better health and a better coach.
Currently players have more control over where they play than they have ever had before. We don’t know what is going on behind the scenes but my impression is that Trae has become a little restless because the team isn’t wining enough and Murray was brought in to appease Trae. The Hawks made a big splash because they could satisfy their star player and so the owner’s son could feel special and feel like he was involved.
The current reality is that things could get very bad before they get better. The Hawks have one year before Murray becomes a free agent and I could easily see the Hawks trying to maximize that and an additional win now move would probably further blow up in their face. Then a year from now Murray would either move on or stick with the Hawks while taking up a larger percentage of the cap space while also being a bad pairing with Trae. There is always the chance that Murray will bail after next season and Trae would then ask for a trade.
The way for things to not get worse is surely not what the fans want to hear. What I would do if I were the Hawks GM faced with the Hawks having this year’s draft pick plus two next year with one coming from the Huerter trade is to rebuild.
If the Hawks could trade Trae for upcoming draft pick Scoot Henderson I would do it in a heartbeat. Scoot might win an MVP one day, should be in the conversation multiple seasons, and should be a multi-time all-star. I would trade Murray for future draft pick Cam Whitmore. I think Cam Whitmore will take a little bit of time to pop but he could be the next Jaylen Brown. Further I would want Leonard Miller with the Hawks own first round draft pick this year.
The roster would end up with a major overhaul because Whitmore and Miller are both combo forwards and at a minimum Hunter would need to be traded to clear minutes for them. Personally I would love a core group of players including AJ Griffin, Scoot Henderson, Cam Whitmore, and Leonard Miller.
primocheese1947
First red flag should have been when the spurs were that eager to trade him and then centered their trade package around when his deal was up. Sure Murray said he wants to be in Atlanta with Trae for right now, but things aren’t working out the way they need to right now for him to commit.
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The pick may have been worth it if a new competent coach was also a part of last summer’s strategy but it wasn’t and this whole squad looks bad now.
Still like the trade, and moves like that are realistically the only way we’re going to eventually make ourselves contenders unless any of you think we’re gonna draft a superstar with the 16-19th pick.
Nate is the problem.
The cost was a bit too much tbh. Too big a risk to take.
No the juice in the franchise was needed
Bruh LMFAOO I challenge y’all to not overreact to one bad game for a single night
Nope. Next question.
It’s an interesting question . Not because Murray is bad, he’s a great player but because of where we are as a franchise. If the ownership didn’t want to spend a lot of money to compete then it makes sense to not want to trade for Murray. Why give away assets for a guy who while very good doesn’t automatically make us a top tier team. If you want to spend picks on Murray then you have to commit to actually making the rest of the team good. You do that by spending money. Murray isn’t a top 20 guy who you can punt on having no depth with. He’s a great piece to a complete team. Which we don’t have at the moment
If only we coulda kept Huerter and traded Bogy to a team. I know he was still recovering from an injury but I’d assume someone would have been interested.
I like the DJM trade. Perhaps we gave too much but it seemed like we were willing to make a splash which felt different from most other years as a Hawks fan.
Nate is part of the problem. I know a lot more about Football, baseball and hockey in terms of strategy and what not… but when I watch the Hawks I feel like we are so fucking one dimensional on offense, pick and roll or iso most times. How the hell are we not more creative than that?
No because it’s clear a 2nd star was needed this a very dominant two man league and to win you gotta spend where the hawks messed up was cheaping out on depth and that hurt us throughout the season now that we have a bit better bench its kinda too late because we still have to get them fit in with 23 games left
If we’re being honest we’re gonna need another star player to really win
Tbh the actual cost for dejounte and hawks legend jock landale (2 of our own FRPs, a pick-swap, and a protected hornets FRP) at least to my uneducated eyes isn’t nearly as big as some say it is but idk
Honestly the problem is the Front Office stopped there. This team needs more but it was a good trade. They needed 1 more big addition to become a contender but the FO stopped there🤷🏻♂️
Yes
Not really tbh .. I called this earlier and almost got ran out the hawks Reddit .. whenever a “playoff” team try to stay under the tax it’s not good , Nate wasn’t a good coach but they gave him the benefit of the doubt since we were hurt all last year & extremely top heavy .. I knew we were gonna be mid but not this mid .. I still think it was a good trade but going out their way to avoid the lux tax & trying to keep coaching in house we will never be serious . Simple
I feel like there’s more to it than not just wanting DJ. I’m sure Schlenk knew we needed that second star but who did he have his eyes on?
I dont think so. It was a risk but I still like the trade. DJ had what we were lacking. The problem is the other moves that did and didnt make.
Yes. Dejounte doesn’t fit with Trae. Trae, like most ball dominate players, needs shooters around him. Having a secondary ball handler is great but that ball handler also needs to be able to shoot. Kevin Huerter fit perfect. Hawks just needed a Lou Will replacement to come off the bench
I’m not against the trade, but I like/prefer Schlenks methodology. Try and build/develop talent with draft pieces and grab FA talent that can mesh with the team better. It worked for a bit then didn’t. Huerter is having himself a year to the point KD acknowledged him. But I feel coaching is the biggest flaw in our org vs anything else. Hard to say its GM oriented until we see this team with an accountable coach.
Not sure Trae wants to be waiting around. Kid is young and hungry and ownership prob wants to keep him happy. I guess I’m saying there was probably some pressure from upper management to pull the trigger when schlenk wanted to wait some more
DJM in a vacuum, is a totally fine player, he would thrive as the primary ball handler on his own team, but he’s a poor fit with this team and severely overrated defensively.
He was supposed to make Trae’s job easier and improve our defense, but neither happened. Trae is now playing the most inefficient ball in his life and the defense is still shit. Trae is a rhythm player and the team is at its best when the ball in Trae’s hands, it was a symbiotic offense.
We didn’t just traded three 1st round picks + pick swap for DJM (which is a lot), but we also traded away our shooting/spacing (Kev and Gallo), and took away valuable possessions from our best offensive player.
I didn’t like the trade when it first happened, I thought the move was short-sighted, risky, and un-schlenky. It became suspicious when “Schlenk” (came from GSW) didn’t even bother to sign anyone to compensate the loss in our shooting, then signed guys that can’t shoot for shit (Jarrett Culver and Trent Forrest) lmao.
Yes. To be clear Dejounte is obviously a good asset that any team would like. But at the cost the Hawks paid for Dejounte, they could’ve gotten other players fitting more with what the Hawks needed.
Dejounte is averaging 21/6/6 on 46/36/84 with nearly 2 steals a game. He’s producing exactly what you’d want for a guy that commanded that price. He has not been a disappointment. The reason our record is the way it is is Trae has just not been good enough. Period. He’s making a large percentage of the teams total cap space and shooting like shit. We’re not gonna win many games when our number 1 is playing like he did today. It’s not Dejounte’s fault, his cap hold is relatively small and is not the reason our depth has been gutted. It’s Trae and John’s contracts that are the issue.
We’ve lost 14 games this season by single digits. If Trae shot the way he did last season, we’d win at least half of those close games, and our record would look completely different. We’d go from 29-30 to around where Cleveland is at right now. Trae just has to be better if he’s going to command a super max salary. He has to be the difference maker here. Dre is playing exceptionally this season, AJ has been a great addition and a big surprise, Clint when healthy this season has regained his form, OO has made strides offensively and defensively this season. The only ones on this team who have severely regressed are our two highest paid players, Trae and John
It was a good trade, and they can work together, but they should have also acquired a legit big man who can shoot too.
shouldve never happened n the huerter trade shouldve never happened neither smh
No, and honestly he was wrong about extending Hunter and Collins for the kind of money they got. Their contracts so far have been busts, they can get a bucket but neither has stepped up defensively.
When I look back at the beginning of the downfall of the TS era, I don’t really think it started because of a Dejounte trade. I think it was the result of our offseason following our ECF run. He admitted as much, just paying all these guys at peak value without actually improving the roster was a huge mistake.
The best roster construction around Trae would be a lengthy secondary playmaker guard, big, physical wings and a mauling PF. Hunter’s game is too passive overall but especially defensively he’s not bringing enough. Collins has all the physical ability on defense but he doesn’t have that dawg mentality. It will be difficult for the Hawks to move Collins or possibly Hunter if it comes to it because TS overpaid for both.
I said as much at the time and would have been stronger in saying it but it was an opinion that fans didn’t want to hear and they definitely didn’t want to hear it presented strongly. It was obvious from the jump that this wasn’t a championship team as constructed even if the team was given better health and a better coach.
Currently players have more control over where they play than they have ever had before. We don’t know what is going on behind the scenes but my impression is that Trae has become a little restless because the team isn’t wining enough and Murray was brought in to appease Trae. The Hawks made a big splash because they could satisfy their star player and so the owner’s son could feel special and feel like he was involved.
The current reality is that things could get very bad before they get better. The Hawks have one year before Murray becomes a free agent and I could easily see the Hawks trying to maximize that and an additional win now move would probably further blow up in their face. Then a year from now Murray would either move on or stick with the Hawks while taking up a larger percentage of the cap space while also being a bad pairing with Trae. There is always the chance that Murray will bail after next season and Trae would then ask for a trade.
The way for things to not get worse is surely not what the fans want to hear. What I would do if I were the Hawks GM faced with the Hawks having this year’s draft pick plus two next year with one coming from the Huerter trade is to rebuild.
If the Hawks could trade Trae for upcoming draft pick Scoot Henderson I would do it in a heartbeat. Scoot might win an MVP one day, should be in the conversation multiple seasons, and should be a multi-time all-star. I would trade Murray for future draft pick Cam Whitmore. I think Cam Whitmore will take a little bit of time to pop but he could be the next Jaylen Brown. Further I would want Leonard Miller with the Hawks own first round draft pick this year.
The roster would end up with a major overhaul because Whitmore and Miller are both combo forwards and at a minimum Hunter would need to be traded to clear minutes for them. Personally I would love a core group of players including AJ Griffin, Scoot Henderson, Cam Whitmore, and Leonard Miller.
First red flag should have been when the spurs were that eager to trade him and then centered their trade package around when his deal was up. Sure Murray said he wants to be in Atlanta with Trae for right now, but things aren’t working out the way they need to right now for him to commit.
Fuck it get them to sign Kevin love