trades will be made this off-season. hopefully we can salvage this season
MultiPass21
Not gonna pay to read – so I’ll react to the headline…
The trade deadline sure doesn’t support the narrative.
bayelrey888
Trades coming in the off-season.
I expect Curry and GP2 to stay. Everyone else, I’m not sure. I hope we can hold onto Donte.
Mmicb0b
Really Moody is the only guy who I expect to be traded(now if we can get a superstar who fits(see the Lakers when jts just get big names regardless of if they make sense) then I’d be shocked if Kumingas still there
Thrillawill
Need to get off of Moody, PBJ, Rollins. Just too many young dudes who have roster spots who are unable to contribute right now. This isnt a nursery. Its clear that this system requires 10-12 players deep who can all pass, dribble, and shoot for the most part. We cant afford to have 50% of our roster be unable to see the court due to lack of experience.
MegaJ0NATR0N
Good because there is not going to be another Steph Curry. So continue to build a good team around him and worry about the team’s future when that time comes
The_Phreak
**Warriors committed to win now for rest of Steph Curry’s title window** By Connor Letourneau
As players enjoyed their All-Star break sipping piña coladas on sandy beaches, the Golden State Warriors’ front office had to be thinking about one number: 35.
That’s the age Stephen Curry turns in 3½ weeks. Though his production suggests he could play at an All-Star level for at least a few more years, the Warriors clearly feel some urgency about their championship window.
By exchanging 21-year-old James Wiseman for 30-year-old Gary Payton II at the trade deadline, Golden State abandoned its two-timeline plan for a simpler one: win now. The problem is that the Warriors might have switched their mind-set too late. With just 24 regular-season games left, they sit ninth in the Western Conference standings at 29-29.
The odds are that the Warriors will need to win at a much better clip the rest of the way to secure the No. 6 seed and avoid the play-in round. But given that they don’t know when Curry will return from the left leg injury that has sidelined him since Feb. 4, they might be more likely to miss the postseason altogether than earn a top-six berth. Stephen Curry and (right) and Gary Payton II (left) hope to lead the Warriors to another championship, but they have to get healthy first.
Stephen Curry and (right) and Gary Payton II (left) hope to lead the Warriors to another championship, but they have to get healthy first. Carlos Avila Gonzalez/The Chronicle
The 11th-place Jazz and Trail Blazers lurk just a game behind the ninth-place Warriors. And with Payton expected to miss at least a month with a core muscle injury, Golden State could struggle to improve one of the league’s worst defenses. No one available on the buyout market can save this season.
Perhaps the only person who can is Curry, who hasn’t offered much clarity on when he might come back. There is a chance he misses another dozen or so games. If Curry is out until mid-March, the Warriors might have to settle for eking into the play-in.
Even then, they’d still be able to cling to the hope that they can win their fifth title in nine years. No team wants to face Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson in a best-of-seven series. But despite having one of the NBA’s best starting lineups, the Warriors’ championship belief has given way to wishes and prayers.
To win a title at this point, they wouldn’t just need everything to go right. They would have to experience a historic late-season turnaround. And unlike the 1994-95 Rockets – who remain the lowest-seed team (No. 6) to win a championship – the Warriors didn’t acquire an All-NBA player like Clyde Drexler at the trade deadline.
In retrospect, Golden State’s biggest mistake might have been subscribing to the two-timeline plan in the first place. There is a reason no NBA dynasty has successfully groomed a young core. Youngsters must play through learning curves, and title contenders don’t have that luxury.
Few can blame the Warriors for thinking they could be the great exception. In silencing their doubters on their way to an NBA title last season, they saw Jordan Poole vault from role player to building block, Moses Moody play beyond his years and Jonathan Kuminga flash franchise-cornerstone upside.
All those good vibes overshadowed a harsh truth: The Warriors’ youngsters still had a lot to learn. Though it made financial sense to let Payton, Otto Porter Jr., Damion Lee and other established pieces leave in free agency, Golden State was premature in banking on the next generation.
It became obvious early this season that the Warriors didn’t have the margin of error necessary to grant Wiseman and Moody regular rotation roles. Poole thrives alongside Curry and Thompson, but he remains an awkward fit with the second unit and a below-average 3-point shooter. Kuminga’s recent strides have not ensured he can be relied upon in the playoffs.
When a team invests as much in a plan as the Warriors did in their two timelines, it’s hard to change approaches midseason. They deserve credit for accepting it wasn’t working and going through with the Wiseman deal, even after Payton failed his physical.
But at this stage of the season, the Warriors’ options were limited. All they got for the No. 2 pick in the 2020 draft was a backup guard who appeared in just 15 of a possible 55 games with Portland after undergoing offseason surgery for that core muscle injury. Warriors guard Stephen Curry turns 35 on March 14. How long will the championship window be open?
Warriors guard Stephen Curry turns 35 on March 14. How long will the championship window be open? Santiago Mejia/The Chronicle
As the league investigates whether the Trail Blazers withheld critical information about Payton’s health, the Warriors must do whatever they can to maximize what’s left of Curry’s prime. That means scouring the buyout market for an eighth or ninth man, considering possible rotation tweaks and stressing defensive fundamentals.
Amid all the two-timeline chatter, the Warriors forgot that the timeline that matters most is Curry’s. How they look when Curry retires is insignificant compared to the need to win as many titles as possible with No. 30.
The bottom line is that almost any franchise in the Warriors’ position would have tried to juggle present and future aims. For two lottery-bound seasons, they didn’t have to worry about wins and losses, only for last season’s championship run to suddenly shift the paradigm.
In that sense, the Warriors’ front office shouldn’t bemoan the past. All that should be on its mind is 35.
The face of the franchise is getting older. The Warriors can’t afford to get sidetracked again.
FeelTheRealBirdie
This whole entire two timeline experiement is a joke. Steph is a once in a life time talent, one the warriors wont ever get again in the near future and you dont waste that. Good thing is since the warriors are a big market team they have the ability to sign whoever they want once Steph retires. Eyeing on that Luka contract. Years more or less align
PerformanceDry5635
Fuck around and found out.
Sublimotion
A bigger thing to look at is, once Steph retires, the NBA will probably lose more than half of their current international fanbase. Especially this will probably happen after Lebron has retired.
rikitikifemi
I see the bandwagon getting a little lighter soon enough.
Carara_Atmos
Poole should feel the urgency to improve his game. Its not good that he looks interchangeable with the quick guards of the league (and maybe even a bit worse in defense and IQ). He has all the resources and mentors to get better and if the Warriors don’t succeed this season his future might be in jeopardy with the team.
kkramer10
About damn time…
imminentjogger5
finally no more of this half assed two timelines BS.
Dynasty_30
Best news possible honestly
I think we try shopping Poole to see if it fetches us any win-now talent. The DO clearly understands now that we’ll be a lottery team anyways post-Steph so there’s no point in going halfway whiles he’s here. We need to commit to him
ikatatlo
So where’s that big?
SnooLobsters1259
If Steph had merely played up to his contract in the clutch, the Warriors would be in good shape for the playoffs. But instead, we want to blame the kids who don’t play as a reason why the hella paid guys fucked up in crucial moments.
forcedtojoinreddit
wow u all hella short sided
mcnullt
Letourneau has about as many sources as the members of this sub.
I don’t recall even one of his “predictions” when it comes to player acquisitions, or CBA changes, etc. coming true.
AndyJay952
i mean, yeah?
HotDragonSauce
The two timelines can work it’s just we picked the wrong players in the draft. If we traded down for WCJ and selected Haliburton, then still selected Kuminga or even Wagner then went with TM3 we would literally have filled every single weakness. The problem is the draft is a crapshoot so the likelihood of hitting all the pics is incredibly low.
lalag1
I got Dray at 5/85 w/ a promise to get him in on some good IPOs before the next bull market
pinkiebear
The two timelines will never and have never made any sense to me. The whole “we don’t want to crash when Steph retires” is so stupid. Literally what team doesn’t have down years after a superstar retires?
When you have a top 10 player of all time still playing like he’s in his prime.. it’s insane to focus on the after years him when you don’t know at all if any of these lottery picks will even pan out.
Even last year’s championship was not expected. I don’t know how many times Joe and Bob said they didn’t expect to win. Which is a complete joke if we’re being honest.
maa_kasam
If we are really committing to Curry , I think everyone except Steph and Wiggins should be on the trading block( we aren’t getting 3 and D wing better than Wigs). Klay Poole draymond all are good players but all have major holes and none of them are playing to their contract. There will be stars that will be available in the offseason. Celtics and Brown have a weird relationship, if clippers fail again PG13 and Kawhi both will be a bit agitated, even Embid could be on the market if Philly have another post season disaster. Just need to be willing now to make any move required
Kaybabe27
Uh, not so far
BigZoowop
As they rightfully should with this once in a lifetime player. Why would you do anything else?
miniii
i can’t read it because its behind the paywall, but inject it directly into my veins.
rikitikifemi
Warriors have been methodical and deliberate. This sub is all over the place.
cai_tao_kueh
if a baddie sits in Chase Center and Curry gets a tech, we are undoubtedly going to break the opponent’s 50 point lead by the end of the 4th
notsellingjeans
Should’ve traded Wiseman and the ‘27 unprotected first-rounder for Poeltl, then re-signed him this summer at huge expense if they really want to maximize the remaining Curry window.
Playing 96 minutes of Draymond, Poeltl, and Looney at the 4 and 5 every night would really shore up the defensive shortcomings. And Poeltl is a much better offensive player than Loon while embracing the same things the Warriors need out of their bigs.
we_hella_believe
I’ll get downvoted for this and it’s okay.
But the Warriors did draft the right player at the 2nd pick, it’s just that they weren’t patient enough and lucky enough (injury wise), Wiseman will one day become a stud.
Going so far into the luxury tax and the Klay injuries combined with the Wiseman injury took their toll despite winning a chip last season. It’s a weird and complex chain of events, but we were extremely fortunate last season, and extremely unfortunate this season.
I believe we will make the playoffs, but it’ll take one helluva run and great coaching to do anything this season. We’ll also need this roster to come together, and I don’t think they’ve truly forgiven Draymond for his punch, which has led to the lack of consistent defensive effort.
Just my 2¢
Silouettes
I don’t know why we wouldn’t just go all in now while we have the GOAT. Leave nothing on the table and rebuild when he eventually retires in a decade. Steph continues to show he is unreal, incredibly productive and driven. He is a unique player and there is no reason anyone in the front office should be thinking anything other than supporting right here and right now.
Even when it the music stops the business will be doing great. If anything they short change the team now for a potential future team fans will be pissed.
This era is not replicable.
Robotsaur
This is such a useless article for the amount of attention it’s getting
MiNDGaMeS87
Yeah. Sure. We’re so all-in to win now, we didnt make any significant trade during deadline nor are we moving the needle now during buyout market.
FalcoLamborghini
The majority of the issues were injury related and the team not playing together because of it. This would be a non issue if everyone was on the floor playing together and we had a large enough sample size of everyone playing together healthy to move forward accordingly.
It would be very unwise to make a bunch of more changes to things that do not need to be changed working from a win/loss record that does not reflect the ACTUAL problem (which is health). That’s how you end up looking like the Lakers (trading away key pieces some years ago) or the Nets (blowing up the team that didn’t even get to play together the majority of their tenure because of players being out)
CupOk7544
What we need is a slogan better than “Gold Blooded” that the team and fans can rally around. We had “We Believe” “Strength in Numbers”. These last two meant something. It’s a next man up mentality. Can you imagine all hands in and on three say, “Gold Blooded” That is not a rallying yell out. Just my two cents.
36 Comments
trades will be made this off-season. hopefully we can salvage this season
Not gonna pay to read – so I’ll react to the headline…
The trade deadline sure doesn’t support the narrative.
Trades coming in the off-season.
I expect Curry and GP2 to stay. Everyone else, I’m not sure. I hope we can hold onto Donte.
Really Moody is the only guy who I expect to be traded(now if we can get a superstar who fits(see the Lakers when jts just get big names regardless of if they make sense) then I’d be shocked if Kumingas still there
Need to get off of Moody, PBJ, Rollins. Just too many young dudes who have roster spots who are unable to contribute right now. This isnt a nursery. Its clear that this system requires 10-12 players deep who can all pass, dribble, and shoot for the most part. We cant afford to have 50% of our roster be unable to see the court due to lack of experience.
Good because there is not going to be another Steph Curry. So continue to build a good team around him and worry about the team’s future when that time comes
**Warriors committed to win now for rest of Steph Curry’s title window**
By Connor Letourneau
As players enjoyed their All-Star break sipping piña coladas on sandy beaches, the Golden State Warriors’ front office had to be thinking about one number: 35.
That’s the age Stephen Curry turns in 3½ weeks. Though his production suggests he could play at an All-Star level for at least a few more years, the Warriors clearly feel some urgency about their championship window.
By exchanging 21-year-old James Wiseman for 30-year-old Gary Payton II at the trade deadline, Golden State abandoned its two-timeline plan for a simpler one: win now. The problem is that the Warriors might have switched their mind-set too late. With just 24 regular-season games left, they sit ninth in the Western Conference standings at 29-29.
The odds are that the Warriors will need to win at a much better clip the rest of the way to secure the No. 6 seed and avoid the play-in round. But given that they don’t know when Curry will return from the left leg injury that has sidelined him since Feb. 4, they might be more likely to miss the postseason altogether than earn a top-six berth.
Stephen Curry and (right) and Gary Payton II (left) hope to lead the Warriors to another championship, but they have to get healthy first.
Stephen Curry and (right) and Gary Payton II (left) hope to lead the Warriors to another championship, but they have to get healthy first.
Carlos Avila Gonzalez/The Chronicle
The 11th-place Jazz and Trail Blazers lurk just a game behind the ninth-place Warriors. And with Payton expected to miss at least a month with a core muscle injury, Golden State could struggle to improve one of the league’s worst defenses. No one available on the buyout market can save this season.
Perhaps the only person who can is Curry, who hasn’t offered much clarity on when he might come back. There is a chance he misses another dozen or so games. If Curry is out until mid-March, the Warriors might have to settle for eking into the play-in.
Even then, they’d still be able to cling to the hope that they can win their fifth title in nine years. No team wants to face Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson in a best-of-seven series. But despite having one of the NBA’s best starting lineups, the Warriors’ championship belief has given way to wishes and prayers.
To win a title at this point, they wouldn’t just need everything to go right. They would have to experience a historic late-season turnaround. And unlike the 1994-95 Rockets – who remain the lowest-seed team (No. 6) to win a championship – the Warriors didn’t acquire an All-NBA player like Clyde Drexler at the trade deadline.
In retrospect, Golden State’s biggest mistake might have been subscribing to the two-timeline plan in the first place. There is a reason no NBA dynasty has successfully groomed a young core. Youngsters must play through learning curves, and title contenders don’t have that luxury.
Few can blame the Warriors for thinking they could be the great exception. In silencing their doubters on their way to an NBA title last season, they saw Jordan Poole vault from role player to building block, Moses Moody play beyond his years and Jonathan Kuminga flash franchise-cornerstone upside.
All those good vibes overshadowed a harsh truth: The Warriors’ youngsters still had a lot to learn. Though it made financial sense to let Payton, Otto Porter Jr., Damion Lee and other established pieces leave in free agency, Golden State was premature in banking on the next generation.
It became obvious early this season that the Warriors didn’t have the margin of error necessary to grant Wiseman and Moody regular rotation roles. Poole thrives alongside Curry and Thompson, but he remains an awkward fit with the second unit and a below-average 3-point shooter. Kuminga’s recent strides have not ensured he can be relied upon in the playoffs.
When a team invests as much in a plan as the Warriors did in their two timelines, it’s hard to change approaches midseason. They deserve credit for accepting it wasn’t working and going through with the Wiseman deal, even after Payton failed his physical.
But at this stage of the season, the Warriors’ options were limited. All they got for the No. 2 pick in the 2020 draft was a backup guard who appeared in just 15 of a possible 55 games with Portland after undergoing offseason surgery for that core muscle injury.
Warriors guard Stephen Curry turns 35 on March 14. How long will the championship window be open?
Warriors guard Stephen Curry turns 35 on March 14. How long will the championship window be open?
Santiago Mejia/The Chronicle
As the league investigates whether the Trail Blazers withheld critical information about Payton’s health, the Warriors must do whatever they can to maximize what’s left of Curry’s prime. That means scouring the buyout market for an eighth or ninth man, considering possible rotation tweaks and stressing defensive fundamentals.
Amid all the two-timeline chatter, the Warriors forgot that the timeline that matters most is Curry’s. How they look when Curry retires is insignificant compared to the need to win as many titles as possible with No. 30.
The bottom line is that almost any franchise in the Warriors’ position would have tried to juggle present and future aims. For two lottery-bound seasons, they didn’t have to worry about wins and losses, only for last season’s championship run to suddenly shift the paradigm.
In that sense, the Warriors’ front office shouldn’t bemoan the past. All that should be on its mind is 35.
The face of the franchise is getting older. The Warriors can’t afford to get sidetracked again.
This whole entire two timeline experiement is a joke. Steph is a once in a life time talent, one the warriors wont ever get again in the near future and you dont waste that. Good thing is since the warriors are a big market team they have the ability to sign whoever they want once Steph retires. Eyeing on that Luka contract. Years more or less align
Fuck around and found out.
A bigger thing to look at is, once Steph retires, the NBA will probably lose more than half of their current international fanbase. Especially this will probably happen after Lebron has retired.
I see the bandwagon getting a little lighter soon enough.
Poole should feel the urgency to improve his game. Its not good that he looks interchangeable with the quick guards of the league (and maybe even a bit worse in defense and IQ). He has all the resources and mentors to get better and if the Warriors don’t succeed this season his future might be in jeopardy with the team.
About damn time…
finally no more of this half assed two timelines BS.
Best news possible honestly
I think we try shopping Poole to see if it fetches us any win-now talent. The DO clearly understands now that we’ll be a lottery team anyways post-Steph so there’s no point in going halfway whiles he’s here. We need to commit to him
So where’s that big?
If Steph had merely played up to his contract in the clutch, the Warriors would be in good shape for the playoffs. But instead, we want to blame the kids who don’t play as a reason why the hella paid guys fucked up in crucial moments.
wow u all hella short sided
Letourneau has about as many sources as the members of this sub.
I don’t recall even one of his “predictions” when it comes to player acquisitions, or CBA changes, etc. coming true.
i mean, yeah?
The two timelines can work it’s just we picked the wrong players in the draft. If we traded down for WCJ and selected Haliburton, then still selected Kuminga or even Wagner then went with TM3 we would literally have filled every single weakness. The problem is the draft is a crapshoot so the likelihood of hitting all the pics is incredibly low.
I got Dray at 5/85 w/ a promise to get him in on some good IPOs before the next bull market
The two timelines will never and have never made any sense to me. The whole “we don’t want to crash when Steph retires” is so stupid. Literally what team doesn’t have down years after a superstar retires?
When you have a top 10 player of all time still playing like he’s in his prime.. it’s insane to focus on the after years him when you don’t know at all if any of these lottery picks will even pan out.
Even last year’s championship was not expected. I don’t know how many times Joe and Bob said they didn’t expect to win. Which is a complete joke if we’re being honest.
If we are really committing to Curry , I think everyone except Steph and Wiggins should be on the trading block( we aren’t getting 3 and D wing better than Wigs). Klay Poole draymond all are good players but all have major holes and none of them are playing to their contract. There will be stars that will be available in the offseason. Celtics and Brown have a weird relationship, if clippers fail again PG13 and Kawhi both will be a bit agitated, even Embid could be on the market if Philly have another post season disaster. Just need to be willing now to make any move required
Uh, not so far
As they rightfully should with this once in a lifetime player. Why would you do anything else?
i can’t read it because its behind the paywall, but inject it directly into my veins.
Warriors have been methodical and deliberate. This sub is all over the place.
if a baddie sits in Chase Center and Curry gets a tech, we are undoubtedly going to break the opponent’s 50 point lead by the end of the 4th
Should’ve traded Wiseman and the ‘27 unprotected first-rounder for Poeltl, then re-signed him this summer at huge expense if they really want to maximize the remaining Curry window.
Playing 96 minutes of Draymond, Poeltl, and Looney at the 4 and 5 every night would really shore up the defensive shortcomings. And Poeltl is a much better offensive player than Loon while embracing the same things the Warriors need out of their bigs.
I’ll get downvoted for this and it’s okay.
But the Warriors did draft the right player at the 2nd pick, it’s just that they weren’t patient enough and lucky enough (injury wise), Wiseman will one day become a stud.
Going so far into the luxury tax and the Klay injuries combined with the Wiseman injury took their toll despite winning a chip last season. It’s a weird and complex chain of events, but we were extremely fortunate last season, and extremely unfortunate this season.
I believe we will make the playoffs, but it’ll take one helluva run and great coaching to do anything this season. We’ll also need this roster to come together, and I don’t think they’ve truly forgiven Draymond for his punch, which has led to the lack of consistent defensive effort.
Just my 2¢
I don’t know why we wouldn’t just go all in now while we have the GOAT. Leave nothing on the table and rebuild when he eventually retires in a decade. Steph continues to show he is unreal, incredibly productive and driven. He is a unique player and there is no reason anyone in the front office should be thinking anything other than supporting right here and right now.
Even when it the music stops the business will be doing great. If anything they short change the team now for a potential future team fans will be pissed.
This era is not replicable.
This is such a useless article for the amount of attention it’s getting
Yeah. Sure. We’re so all-in to win now, we didnt make any significant trade during deadline nor are we moving the needle now during buyout market.
The majority of the issues were injury related and the team not playing together because of it. This would be a non issue if everyone was on the floor playing together and we had a large enough sample size of everyone playing together healthy to move forward accordingly.
It would be very unwise to make a bunch of more changes to things that do not need to be changed working from a win/loss record that does not reflect the ACTUAL problem (which is health). That’s how you end up looking like the Lakers (trading away key pieces some years ago) or the Nets (blowing up the team that didn’t even get to play together the majority of their tenure because of players being out)
What we need is a slogan better than “Gold Blooded” that the team and fans can rally around. We had “We Believe” “Strength in Numbers”. These last two meant something. It’s a next man up mentality. Can you imagine all hands in and on three say, “Gold Blooded” That is not a rallying yell out. Just my two cents.