Is RJ Barrett Really The Odd Man Out For The Toronto Raptors?

Is RJ Barrett Really The Odd Man Out For The Toronto Raptors?

if you listen closely enough behind all that Kevin Durant trade smoke you will hear a pretty loud fire alarm that RJ Barrett is being shopped you are Locked on Raptors your daily Toronto Raptors podcast part of the locked on podcast network your team every day it’s your favorite part of the day thanks for making Locked on Raptors your first listen every day i’m VC Jacob i’ve been covering the Toronto Raptors for eight seasons across several outlets you can follow it all on X Instagram and YouTube and be sure to check out the Lockdown Raptors Discord where you can talk all things basketball but especially the Raptors today’s episode is brought to you by Game Time download the Game Time app create an account and use code locked on NBA for $20 off your first purchase all right let’s get this party started on this Wednesday June the 18th I’m joined by one of the best feature writers in the business he’s doing can’t miss content on the NBA playoffs and in the finals right now for the score you can follow his work at Joey_W it is Joe Wolfund welcome to the show buddy thanks V thanks for having me man it’s uh so nice to be here and not have to talk to Shawn and entertain his cockami trade ideas um I’m kidding i love you Sean but great to be here talking to you V glad to see you hosting the show how are you i’m good man i’m good i mean if it was entirely up to me we’d probably still be waxing lyrical about that Carlos Alcarz Yanik Center French Open final but uh we have business to tend to and so let’s get right into it um as I mentioned off the top you know there’s a lot of KD smoke generally the Raptors are reportedly lurking creeping just keeping tabs whatever you want to call it mhm um but it feels like you know RJ Bear is being shopped and in that shopping with KD available Messiah and Bobby say “Hey let’s just shoot our shot and see if they’d want something surrounding R.J.” Um so to start off you know what how do you view RJ’s fit on this team currently and is it right to view him as the odd man out i mean not necessarily i think there are a few factors like a few reasons why he makes sense as the guy that they’d be looking to trade and not all of them have to do with his onc court fit right i think his contract is kind of the right size um there’s enough term left on that deal where teams might still view him as a nice asset to get and I you know I think positionally maybe there is a bit of a I don’t know i guess I I don’t necessarily look at the team and think that he pops out as like a guy who can’t fit with what they’re trying to build i think obviously the stuff with three-point volume spacing generally could make that a bit of a challenge but like if they were to just not do this star hunting thing and just go into the season with what they have I I wouldn’t go into it being like this is not going to work and it’s because of R.J because of his fit um I think in terms of like the reason that he’s the one being shopped it’s more about a like they just got Ingram think they want to see what he looks like next to Scotty obviously they value his shot creation and shot making ability uh enough that they went out to get him and then extend him and so I don’t think they’re necess I mean I’m not saying that they wouldn’t and that that would be like completely off the table but I don’t think they’re looking to just turn around and flip him right away um and I think I mean look like IQ’s name has been bandied about in these rumors also so has Jakob Pearles i think if you’re talking specifically about the Suns and all the reporting about what they would want in return Yak would have to be involved because they’re very obviously after a center so I don’t think it’s just about RJ and his fit i think it’s kind of about the circumstances surrounding the Raptors and like the rest of the league and what they would be interested in getting back in any kind of trade from this team so uh in terms of like his fit I mean if if they were to trade him the the big concern I would have and like the hole that would leave to me is just where is your dribble drive rim pressure coming from like he’s the guy who’s providing that um Brandon Ingram frankly is not providing that he provides a lot of other things that I think could be helpful for this team but that is not really what he’s going to bring uh Emanuel quickly while he can be shifty with the ball he can get into the paint for those floaters he’s not a guy who’s getting all the way to the rim very often uh Scotty I think you know can be a guy who’s providing that but I think again like if you look at last year’s team the guy who was providing the majority of that rim pressure was RJ Barrett and so if you’re just like RJ out Ingram in and then you know whatever you were to get in an RJ trade I mean I think that would be the thing that you would need to address is uh is that specific limitation yeah and I think for me when assessing the fit I think a lot of it boils down to how much you believe that the R.J that we saw in you know that final stretch of his first season with the team can return and so just to you know quickly recap that RJ Barrett who played 32 games down the stretch of the 23 24 season shot 60% on twos 39% on threes um was highly efficient and last season we saw a player who shot 52% on twos 35% on threes uh the free throw shooting was equally bad in both seasons how much do you believe that you know first off a healthy team plus Brandon Ingram can get you an RJ that’s closer to what we saw in the 23 24 season um yeah it’s it’s tough to say like I I think in spite of the the regression in terms of his efficiency metrics that you alluded to last year there were a lot of positive steps taken forward especially in terms of like what he could do with the ball in his hands the pick and roll playmaking um I think that’s the maybe the one thing that jumps out the most is like something that we didn’t see a ton of from him before last season and I don’t want R.J necessarily to be a guy who’s running a ton of pick and roll who’s initiating possessions who has the ball in his hands that much but I think those skills that skill development can still translate to more of a secondary tertiary role where might be starting possessions off the ball but if you’re playing on the second side running secondary pick and roll attacking off of the catch you have faith in his ability to make good decisions make passes on the move uh in a way that maybe you didn’t before and obviously you would like you know I think in terms of like the pullback in the twopoint percentage i think that like that stretch after the trade you know last year or two years ago whatever you want to call it was driven by just like by far the the best rim finishing of his career 72% in that stint with the Raptors and I just don’t think that you can expect him to hit like that level over the course of season like there’s nothing in his history that would suggest that he can that he can sustain that so last year he’s back down to 61% finishing at the rim i think there’s maybe like a somewhere in between those two numbers where he could settle in like if he’s at 65 66% and he continues to take like 45% of his shots in the restricted area that’s a great number and if he’s getting that off of again like stampede cuts right like second side attacks in transition things like that rather than having to create as much of those rim opportunities for himself that he did last year then yeah I think you could see a player who actually is you know a relatively good offball fit uh next to Scotty next to Ingram next to IQ um in terms like the three-point shooting is the one I guess where you wonder where that would settle in uh I’m inclined to think that what we saw from him last year is is like closer to the real RJ again just based on his track record um and I think even you know if you if you look at the way that he was being guarded when he was shooting 40% uh again during that Torid stretch after the trade like I don’t think like defenses are reacting to him really any differently than they were and that and that really is the big issue and the big concern with him playing off ball is just how much attention is he really going to garner like he’s not treated as a three-point shooting threat and I don’t know that he’s ever going to be so um with this specific team and this team construction I think that’s where the the doubts and the concerns start to creep in uh but you know again I for all the reasons I mentioned I think that the the bigger issue is at the defensive end like offensively I actually think that he could fit okay yeah I’m to totally with you there just quickly on the threes you know I I do think with Ingram in the mix in terms of the alignment you are probably going to see RJ in the corners more often and we did see him take more above the break threes just because he was kind of having to shepherd the offense and that’s kind of the the shots that he was left with and so hopefully you know those above the break threes get traded for more attempts at the rim uh the last three seasons you know 38% uh on corner threes um last couple seasons rather 38% you know with the Knicks then 44 with the Raptors and then 42 against again last season so hopefully you know it’s the corner threes that he can really you know double down on uh with this new offensive setup um and then of course we talked about the room attacks but I’m totally with you you know it really comes down to the defense um I don’t know how much people are buying into you know those small stretches we saw in the second half of last season where you know maybe he was challenged a little bit and he showed a bit of improvement i think the biggest thing for me when I watch RJ uh in terms of a weakness is his defensive awareness and you know the number of times he gets beat uh you know on a back cut the number of times that you know it’s almost like the he sometimes it’s like he just flat out misses the scouting report and he’s just not defending someone you know the way it’s like you know when you watch the playoffs and you know you’re going under on screens for guys who who will take that three all day you know and I think that’s the type of stuff that R.J misses out on um that really needs to course correct and those types of mistakes you feel are correctable those are fixable and like you know that’s comes down to engagement preparedness um and I feel like he absolutely has the athleticism to to give that effort yeah yeah I mean something that I’ve said before is that in terms of his athleticism I to me it’s very much like a north south oriented and the sort of horizontal athleticism is not at the same level and that’s why I think he’s had some issues defending on the ball that might not be correctable like I think he still has the tools to be like at least an average on ball defender but I don’t necessarily see him ever getting to like a high-end level uh just because I don’t think he moves that well laterally but the the awareness stuff that you’re talking about the offball defense the understanding the scouting report knowing your personnel that’s the kind of stuff that is more disappointing to me because it should be correctable at this stage of his career with how many years he’s now been in the league he should be able to figure that stuff out and I I think you know you talk to a lot of different people around the league and opinions will vary on the extent to which something like feel and basketball IQ can be taught can be learned and it’s like you know a lot of people will just be like you can kind of like fine-tune that stuff but also there has to be some innate sense of of feel and understanding of you know spacing spatial awareness court mapping things like that that like you either have or you don’t and I I don’t know if I’m at the point where I’m ready to say that like R.J just flat out doesn’t have it but at you know 6 years into his career if we’re still seeing those issues then I think you have to start to wonder and maybe worry about whether that’s something that can meaningfully improve so I’m not going into next year like expecting R.J to blossom into an above average defender i think if he can be average you’re happy with that but that is to me like kind of where where the issue primarily lies and it’s tied to the offense because I think if there weren’t these questions about like you know again like I I said I think the fit can be fine but it’s certainly not ideal and so any clunkiness with the offensive fit any limitation in his offensive game is going to be magnified because it’s not like he’s bringing that surplus value at the defensive end of the floor yep there you go rj average defense efficient offense that’s what this team needs coming up next what’s a good return for RJ there’s nothing like the NBA playoffs game time makes it fast and easy to get 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create an account and redeem code L K D O NA for $20 off download the Game Time app today last minute tickets lowest price guaranteed all right Wolf coming up now what is a good return for R.J i think looking at the rumors obviously we’ve seen the KD stuff at the top we probably put the Sabonis stuff in the middle and then more recently we’ve seen even Malik Monk mentioned so when you look at RJ first off you know I think when you look at the Raptors generally they have done you know outside of like that post championship window when you look be before that they have done a very good job of upgrading assets in trades and you know I think of you know the Terrence Ross deal I think of the Demard Rosen deal and that’s if you’re looking to trade RJ ideally that’s closer to the outcome that you get um you know depending on how you view it uh the OG deal might be something uh that you look at as well and so the thing I wanted to ask you was first off do you see an ideal RJ deal as going after a big fish so to speak or do you see it as using him for someone that can maybe net you two quality role players i mean I think about the I think was it Nets Daily that reported the Cam Johnson rumor about like you know the Nets specifically want to flip you know Cam Johnson plus their 19th pick for either the ninth or 10th pick in the draft from Houston or Toronto and obviously a contract would have to be coming back in that in that tweet the Nets Daily account was like “It would be a bad contract.” And I don’t necessarily view R.J.’s contract as a bad contract but I think if you look at the Raptors roster in their cap sheet it would sort of have to be that contract it would be going back Brooklyn’s way so like RJ and number nine for Cam Johnson and number 19 i’d actually be very interested in that as the Raptors even given everything I said at the top about what you’d be losing in terms of rim pressure and Cam Johnson is not bringing a ton of that especially relative to RJ i think man that’s such a cleaner fit like and in terms of what we talked about you know with this team’s offensive limitations three-point volume probably being the number one thing holy moly like that’s just one of the best and highest volumes volume three-point shooters in the league and he can do it in a variety of ways right like the shooting versatility is something that they need so badly that’s why I was so excited when they got quickly right like that’s a guy who can shoot off the dribble who can shoot off the catch who can shoot off a movement and in Cam Johnson you’re talking about all that same shooting versatility but in in a guy who’s like 6’8 6’9 and who I think is a is a better positional defender than RJ Barrett is so that’s the kind of deal that that I’d be like looking for that I’d be really happy with like maybe that’s just a unicorn type of deal i don’t know if there are other examples that I could throw out that would be comparable to that but I love that idea personally yeah no I I think the fit there is pretty much ideal because when you look at the current construct of the team the Raptors are 29th in three-point attempt rate they are 30th in above the break three-point attemp rate and obviously quickly not being healthy had something to do with that but at the same time uh he’s going to need help we we know what Brandon and Groom and Scotty’s game is about we know that Yaka Burle isn’t going to be popping out for threes unless it’s you know the opening play where he’s standing in the corner um if that’s what you’re relying on like something has gone horribly horribly wrong yeah exactly and so I think from that perspective getting someone who is and it’s kind of the right trade-off right like you mentioned okay you lose the rim pressure but if you are getting someone who can give you threes at that volume then you can stomach it and be a serviceable defender as well and now you get uh the size of Cam Johnson Scotty Ingram um and that’s something that is probably better suited to putting a alongside a quickly as well and so I do think that in terms of a fit it’s very clean raptors saw firsthand what Cam Johnson is capable of he played pretty damn well against the Raptors last season so uh I think I probably lean more towards you know building out the depth of the roster um in an RJ deal um and if you get someone who is and I and I mean that more in terms of just like a role playinging fit and I view Cam Johnson as that roleplaying type and as opposed to you know acquiring a Sabonis or a Kevin Durant where you’re now maybe overhauling the offense um and I think those are the fits where I look at it and say “Okay this is not only something that is tenable in the long term but you’re also continuing on what you’ve built the last couple of seasons in terms of how you want to play it.” Yeah and I think the hope would be again we’re maybe going like too far down the road on a total hypothetical but like the hope would be in a deal like that where you’re swapping out a guy who drives a lot gets to the rim a lot for Cam Johnson’s actually a decent driver i think that like especially last season he made real strides in that department but really you’re getting him because of his ability to you know whether it’s spot up have that like offball gravity but like also just draw two guys to the ball right whether he’s like running a pick and roll or just coming off of a pin down like two guys are going to go with him more so than they are with RJ certainly and I think the hope would be that you sort of make like whatever rim pressure you lose in that like onetoone deal you gain back in the spacing you create for somebody like Scotty to drive to the rim or cut to the rim and same with Ingram right who’s never been a guy who’s like had a ton of drives that get him all the way to the basket he’s also never played in like a real optimal spacing environment like those Pelicans teams have all been kind of clunky in terms of their offensive fit so I think the hope would be if you can create that space yes um I mean again another guy that I would love to go after if he’s in any way available holy moly um he’s like a souped-up version of Cam Johnson uh but I think yeah that would be the hope right is that you can create those avenues for for other guys to get to the rim more often and like Yeah having like Quickley right now is the only guy and he still honestly doesn’t really draw two to the ball I don’t think that often like not as often as you would expect given his three-point percentages like he was one of the you know in terms of accuracy one of the best pullup three-point shooters in the league last year and I just maybe it’s because of like the kind of slow release I know Samson has written about like the how low his release is and like the big kind of long gather for him to get that off and and maybe that being the reason that like defenses don’t have to react as aggressively or in as much of a panic when he’s coming off a screen or loading up to shoot but I the more guys you have on the floor who can do that who have that kind of magnetism that can pull two guys onto the basketball like the more you’re going to open up opportunities for everybody else so um so I think that’s the kind of thing they could be looking for right is like a a a way to improve their spacing uh and like if they can do that while also improving their defense which I think that deal would do then I think that would be close to a home run uh so again I don’t know if there are that many other constructions out there like that but you know whether whether it is a a Cam Johnson or you know pie in the sky a Trey Murphy type of player uh I feel like if you’re talking about fit and like improving the fit at that position uh then that’s what I’d be looking to do cuz something like I mean you mentioned Malik Monk i haven’t even seen any rumors to that effect and I’m a big Malik Monk fan but I don’t think swapping R.J for Malik Monk makes this team better like I I I don’t see the fit there really at all i guess unless you’re looking to move off of quickly and then you’re filling the void that you create on the wing that way and it would be the same thing with Sabonis right like if Sabonis is the guy coming in okay then are you like then looking to flip Yak for you know and then it just gets a little bit um there are too many moving parts there I think to feel confident that you’re going to wind up with a roster that makes more sense at the end of all this yeah the king somehow ending up with Yak and JV would just be um you know quickly on Monk I will say I think that’s something that could potentially become viable at the trade deadline um where if if you know say a Jacobe Walter has shown like big strides and you’re you know potentially looking at bringing him into the starting lineup and you’re saying okay now you can move Malik Monk as a guy to bring off the bench then I think that’s something you can look down the line at the trade deadline and say hey okay maybe this is something we can consider and all things considered I do feel that a trade deadline RJ deal is probably more viable because there’s teams that are likely looking at RJ’s last season and saying “Oh well hey looks like the efficiency came back down to earth and this is kind of the player that we know.” And so if you can actually get him back to or you know not not back to the same level but just somewhere close to what he was in in those 30 games in 23 24 I think that creates a more viable trade opportunity now we will get to why there is so much noise in the East in general uh coming up next Lollipop is a new kind of soda made for people who love the classic taste of soda but want something that supports their health with just 2 to 5 g of sugar and 9 g of prebiotic fiber in every can Lollipop is reimagining soda in a way that’s better for your gut traditional sodas are loaded with sugar like 39 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next year saying “Hey this is something we can’t miss jason Tatum is down damen Lillard is down we don’t know what the Sixers are going to be joel Embiid just might not be that guy anymore and yeah I think Orlando showed that they feel that way do you think that that ultimately is what this comes down to for the Raptors specifically yeah uh I think there are maybe like a few few factors uh I mean Messiah having a year left on his contract and maybe that adding a little bit of urgency to his decision-m I think could have a part to play and yeah definitely there’s a sense of like this is wide open and teams looking at the Pacers making their run to the finals and thinking why can’t that be us especially Yeah looking ahead to a conference where the Celtics aren’t going to be this powerhouse um there are you know I guess there’s uncertainty surrounding the Cavs i think the Cavs are still going to be really good assuming that Garland comes back from that toe surgery looking like the same guy that he was this past year i think they can stay healthy in the playoffs for once um the Pacers are going to be back and they’re still going to be really good presumably like the Magic made their big move and I think they’re going to be really good like maybe it’s not quite as wide open as it seems like if you’re a team like the Raptors that is very much I would say at the lower end of the playoff picture as currently constructed to me it would take a Giannis type of move to catapult them into that mix at the very upper echelon of the conference i don’t know that anything short of that is really doing it for them so I would be wary of putting a lot of kind of future or long-term assets on the table in pursuit of that supposed opportunity that might be there for some teams that are closer but not necessarily for the Raptors so I you know I yeah I don’t think it has to be next season or bust for this team like you know Tatum is going to be back in 2026 27 but are the Celtics going to be that same powerhouse that they were before he got hurt i think the chances of that are very slim like they’ll be really good again but not necessarily a team that is viewed as like unbeatable um not that they were unbeatable anyway right like even before Tatum got hurt they were about to go down 3-1 to the Knicks so I think the feeling is like yes there might be like a lot of good to very good teams in the East but no teams that you feel like can’t be had but I don’t see why that wouldn’t be the case in 2627 or 2728 right like I I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking a longer view here i guess apart from the fact that again there’s the uncertainty with the front office there’s Purle having only the one year left on his deal R.J having the two years left on his deal you have this and like Ingram frankly right like he’s got the player option in the third year of his deal but you might only think about that as a two-year window so maybe you’re feeling like sometime in the next two years you have to make a real run at this but I wouldn’t necessarily be thinking of things in those terms like if the right opportunity presents itself then yeah absolutely like take your shot and you might never get a better shot than right now but I don’t think you should be looking to like force the issue and like put a lot of stuff on the table for Kevin Durant for example because you think this is your your like last best chance to maybe make a run um and that’s why like even if it was Yak RJ the number nine pick ultimately if they got Kevin Durant I would get on board and I would get very excited about having him in a Raptors uniform but I I wouldn’t be nuts about that deal like I I think we’ve all you know been through the mini era where they didn’t have competent center play and I don’t know that anybody’s excited to go back to that and without Yak I mean I don’t know how they’re sort of filling that position in a way that’s gonna gonna lead to them being like a really competitive team even if Kevin Durant is in the mix so that’s kind of where I’m at is like the the opportunity might be there and in that case like yeah if you have a chance to get Giannis do whatever it takes to get Giannis but I don’t know like all this smoke about well they’re like really determined to get a big fish to me outside of that one really really big fish i don’t see a whole lot out there where I’m like excited about the prospect of them putting all or like a lot of their chips on the table to get something like that done i’m with you with that i I feel like I’m happy to go all in for Giannis i think that’s the one guy who changes the entire dynamic i think especially when you look at the Pacers going all the way to the finals without that bonafide top tier superstar that top five player in the league it it makes you believe that you know if you can get a guy who is at the very worst top three in my opinion um and I think on his best days arguably still the best player in the league um then you do it then that changes everything and frankly like everything should be on the table for him um and so beyond that I think that’s where the Raptors have put themselves in a pretty good spot to just ride the wave again coming back to the themes that have emerged in this playoffs and frankly even a couple years before it’s the value of depth right and you know needing to play with force for 48 minutes and that relentlessness that we can see from the Pacers and the Thunder and the way that they have enough guys coming off the bench where they can maintain a certain level of intensity i think building out that depth is important too and I think that’s something that the Raptors have to be cognizant of in evaluating any deal for a big fish yeah definitely and it’s like again to the question about you know is it sort of next season or bust in terms of like this is the time to go for it again I just don’t really see things that way i think you could continue to build up your young talent base and rather than like forcing something that isn’t there right now wait to strike like two years down the road like who’s to say that that opportunity won’t still be there that there won’t be you know Devin Booker to throw out just like a random name right like a player like that who is not going to be 37 when when next season starts right a player who’s still in their prime and that really fits next to Scotty and whoever else is on the team at that point in time like maybe I I just think to to view next season as like the year to to push for it just because you know the Celtics aren’t going to be there and like obviously Orlando viewed this as their opportunity but they’re not just going all in for next season right like Desmond Bane’s under contract for four more years and he’s like squarely in his prime there are a lot of reasons that made sense for the Magic beyond just oh well the East is wide open next year um so I don’t know that this is necessarily the Raptors window i don’t know that this is their opportunity and I again if if there is a KD trade out there to be made where not too many picks or young players are going out the door then I will get on board with it even if it means like major question marks at the five spot but I I just don’t know that I I don’t know how many big moves there actually are for them to make that are going to get them to the place they think they have a chance to get to next year yeah i mean see we’ve seen the Magic give up their assets for Desmond Bane hopefully another team gives up their assets for Kevin Durant and then the Raptors are the only ones left with assets for Giannis there you go i think that’s a good place to finish up wolfon really enjoyed the chat appreciate you making the time let people know where they can find your work uh all my work is at the score um the mobile app we do have a website i’m not sure anybody uh visits it anymore but it is all there uh and I share most of my stuff on 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There’s been several reports now indicating that the Toronto Raptors are willing to trade RJ Barrett. Is that the right move, right now? theScore’s Joe Wolfond joins Vivek Jacob to discuss if it’s right to view Barrett as the odd man out, what would constitute a good deal for Barrett, and whether there needs to be this level of urgency for next season?

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