Danny Cunningham on the Cavaliers’ offseason moves, future of the Core 4 & the loss of Ty Jerome

Danny Cunningham on the Cavaliers’ offseason moves, future of the Core 4 & the loss of Ty Jerome

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— stuff would have to happen. I think that what the Cavs have done so far this offseason, like in committing more money elsewhere makes it. Tougher to do, right, like signing say Maryland already trading Isaac Akoro’s contract because I think you look at that as, OK, that’s $11 million that could be part of that deal that they need to get off of anyways that you could utilize. Well, now that is already accounted for, that’s already gone, so it is. Incredibly difficult like it’s fun to fantasize about. Giannis in the Cavs uniform would be awesome. Like he’s a great one of the greatest players ever, but it’s not something I would expect to happen. I know that he’s now reportedly unhappy that they cut Damian Lillard after he tore his Achilles in the playoffs, and that might not be the best situation like signing Ms Turner. I don’t, it makes them better, but they’re not a contender now. They’re still just kind of a middle of the pack team in the East, so. I think that is a situation certainly to watch still. Are you surprised with how the Sam Mayland Ty Jerome situation unfolded in free agency for Cleveland? You know, I wasn’t surprised they brought back Sam and didn’t bring back Ty. I was surprised Sam got paid more than Ty as I think everybody here probably was, and I think most people watching and listening certainly were, um, but I also think with the Ty situation. While the Cavs, could they have offered him that money? Yeah, I don’t know if they did or not, but I also think that the other way to look at this is Memphis can offer Ty something that the Cavs couldn’t, and that’s the opportunity, right? Like Ty here was not going to be able to play more than 20 minutes. Game like that is just what his role was going to be in Memphis. He’s, he might not be a starter, but he’s gonna play, I would guess, more than what he played in Cleveland. He’s gonna have an opportunity too. This is a shorter contract for him for somebody who really hasn’t gotten paid like that in the NBA. He’s gonna be able to go out and have the opportunity to maybe have two good years in Memphis and hit free agency again while he’s still in his prime. I think that’s a big deal for him too. So I, I look at this as. More about the opportunity that the Cavs couldn’t offer rather than the money that I think they could have offered. I think there’s a legitimate discussion about whether they should have tried to give that money to him as opposed to Sam Merrill, but I also think that if you watch what they’re doing this offseason. They’re prioritizing two way players, guys that can’t necessarily be played off the floor because Ty is not a good defender, and we all think of that Indiana series as well. He just missed every shot that he took and he did, but the bigger reason he couldn’t play in that series is whenever he, he was on the floor, the Pacers were just attacking him. And Isaac Okoro teams just were never going to defend. We have seen him in 5 postseason series. How many of those 5 teams that the Cavs played defended him seriously? None of them, right? So that they’re now they’ve basically traded, I think, 2 one-way guys for and Samuel, of course, is not a trade like he was already here, but with two guys that they feel can play on both ends of the floor, and I think that’s. the way to look at this. So when you look at obviously the, the trade for Lonzo Ball and you talk about how Ty Jerome was only had the 20 minutes, do you think a healthy Lonzo, that’s a big thing. Can he be more effective than what Ty Jarome was and do you think he has that same 20 minutes spur? So I think like his health issues in the. Past 20 minutes is probably about where you would want Lonzo ball, right? Like you don’t want to wear him down because if he’s ready to go in the playoffs, that would be a really good thing for the Cavs. The way I look at this is what you define as effective, I think changes a little bit. He’s not gonna be the scorer that Ty was like Ty was just a microwave that came off the bench and was able to light it up against backups, and that was something that I’m gonna guess none of the four of us expected to happen before the season started last year. Like that just all came out of nowhere, right? Um, Lonzo is not gonna be that, but the other thing that I look at with that acquisition is for the Cavs to get to where they want to go to next year. Like if we are talking about 12 months from now, the Cavs as either NBA champions or a team that went to the finals, we’re probably also talking about how Evan Mobley was the best player on the team, and I think that the one thing that Lonzo can do. That Ty didn’t necessarily do is I think he’ll make Evan Mobley better. I think he is somebody that when those two were on the floor together and there were a lot of lineups that had Ty and Donovan and Evan in them, if you put Lonzo Ball in them, I think that’s gonna put more on the plate of Evan Mobley, but I think it’s gonna make him be a better offensive player in a way that he needs to be for this team to get to where they want to go. He needs those opportunities and that I don’t wanna say encouragement. But Ty took a bunch of shots and he shot efficiently last year. It wasn’t a bad thing, but a guy like Londo who was a pass first, play make first, everyone else eats before I eat kind of player into those lineups, and it’s gonna force Evan to be a little more aggressive and be a little more assertive and open up some more playmaking opportunities for him in those same lineups that should, and once again should if Loso’s healthy because that’s a giant if he’s played 70 games in 4 years total. Have plenty of spacing for him to operate as the primary big as well. And the other thing, I mean, you know, you’ve been around a lot like Kenny Atkinson talks all the time about wanting this team to play with a lot of pace, right? Well, when you think of Lonz the ball, that is what you think of. You think about getting up the floor and going. Not to say Ty didn’t do that at times, but that wasn’t Ty’s game. Like we, I think Ty was so effective because he played at a slower pace than it felt like anybody else in the league was capable of playing at at times in the way that he got in the paint. So I do think that this is something that maybe stylistically is going to fit what Kenny Atkinson wants to do. Like we hear so often Kenny talks about how much he loves Sam Merrill. I would bet that we’re gonna hear him say a lot of really positive things about a healthy Lonzo Ball if that’s the case. What are they gonna do? Uh, what, what do you think their, their approach is to this this next? Um, you, you look at the fact that, you know, you win all those games, they’ve been a good regular season team. Donovan alluded to it at the end of the season, like, y’all gonna be on this all year. How do you think they respond because uh right now the, the energy from the fans is like. Yeah, you better prove it. Like we’re not trying to hear none of that. Like, and that could be a little, it’s, it could be a little different because when you’re on the other side of it and, and the fans it’s like, oh this is a great, love them. We even talked about, hey, we don’t even want LeBron back. This team, we love the way and now it’s like it’s a different point of view like nah. You’re not gonna fool us again. You’re gonna you have to show us, right? So I, I look at this as like last year, in my opinion was the most fun regular season team the Cavs have had probably since the the 08-09 team that won 66 games. That was LeBron’s second to last year in Cleveland in the first stint. This next year is not gonna be like that. Like this is going to be, they’re gonna have big wins. They’re gonna go through stretches where they’re gonna lose four in a row again like they did last year. But every big win that they have it’s gonna be like, oh well, we need to see it in May, right? We need to see this team do this in the 2nd round of the playoffs in the conference finals, in the finals, and the Cavs, I do think, understand that, as you mentioned, Donovan Mitchell spoke about that an hour after they were eliminated to the Pacers. They’re going to be at length, yes, uh, very passionately as well. They’re a team that they have to go out and prove it in the playoffs. There, there’s not a thing that they can do in the regular season that you look at and just say, yeah. We really believe in the Cavs because they did this in March. That’s just not going to be a thing that happens. They’re going to have to do this in April, which they’ve done. They’ve gotten out of the first round. There are no issues there, but they’re gonna have to do it in May and June. And if I think they’re capable of doing it in May and June, but until they prove that they can get out of the 2nd round, I think there are going to be questions about whether or not they can. When you look at this, all the moves that they’ve made and you look at this current roster. Where do you think they can go to keep improving? So I do think, and I know you guys were talking about this earlier, I do think they need to add a little bit more size, like a third big, um, I don’t know if Tristan Thompson’s going to be back or not. I would imagine if he wants to play, which it sounded like he does, um, at his end of season availability, I would imagine that there will be a spot for him, but I wonder if Larry Nance Junior could be available as somebody that could be a third big. I do think that. Atlanta trading for Chris Epps Porzingas probably complicated his situation a little bit, but when you get to that, the Cavs can only offer guys like that a minimum salary. And once you are a minimum contract guy, it’s really difficult to stop being a minimum contract guy and guys don’t want to be minimum contract guys, so I do think that we’ll kind of have to wait for them to get to that point in free agency to a lot of the money is dried up, and then that’s when the Cavs can start kind of, you know, making waves in that area. Maybe there’s a trade out there. I don’t know. I think they should be listening on Jared Allen. I don’t know what offers for him would be, but that is the one guy that I look at and say I’m not so sure that he is a guy that you necessarily need to have in May and June, the way that you could reallocate some of that money elsewhere, but I think those are really the ways they could get better. But I, I also think that we kind of lose sight of just how good this team was too, like they won 64 games. The playoffs didn’t go as imagined obviously, but I don’t think that they need to get a lot better because while there are other teams in the East that have gotten better, there’s not a team I look at in the Eastern Conference to go they are better right now than the Cavs. There’s not a team that I say that about. I was gonna actually kind of ask what you just mentioned. FanDuel updated its Eastern Conference odds this morning. The Knicks have surpassed Cleveland as the favorite of the. Flipped again during this show actually because I looked right before I came in. — I think the Cavs are favored
— maybe they slipped again because I, I checked this morning too. The Cavs were favored yesterday. I checked this morning it was the Knicks and then before I came in I checked again it was the Cavs, I think. Despite the fact FanDu is the number one official sports book of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, use promo code fanu.com/ UCSS. I did not look at FanDuel during the show, so if it did flip, they’re close enough that I guess it’s a toss up. Jason Lloyd has said and continued to say the playoffs were a historic collapse, but it’s only a historic collapse because of how good they were in the regular season. Losing the second round is losing in the second round. It happens to one seeds more frequently than I think a lot of us want to admit. The Thunder lost in the 2nd round to the Mavericks last year. Go on, they make a slight trade, giddy for Caruso, Stein Harenstein, win a championship. Do you think the overreaction? Or do you let me rephrase it, do you think the reaction to the playoff loss has been an overreaction considering how good and successful they were in the regular season, or because it’s kind of the same story we’ve seen in back to back to back postseasons now, how many, how many backs was that? Uh, 3 backs. OK. There is a little more validity to the criticism they’re facing. — So
— I think it’s, I think you have to be able to separate it first of all from the previous. Postseasons because I look at what happened in this postseason where they lose in the second round in 5 games and it’s the same results as what happened the year before but that team was never gonna beat the Boston Celtics like they were not nearly as good as that Celtics team, right? So I don’t, I don’t think it’s fair to blame them for not getting past the team that won the title that year when that team was basically what the Cavs were this year. I think calling this postseason. A complete failure is absolutely fair and true because that’s what it was, but I also look at this and we made a big thing immediately after it ended that injuries can’t be an excuse injuries can’t be an excuse and to give the Cavs credit, not once did anyone that spoke make the injuries an excuse. But then when you start to think about it, it’s like, OK, well Donovan was playing through that calf injury that I thought was pretty apparent watching him play. Darius needed to have surgery 5 weeks afterwards because he still wasn’t healthy. Evan Mobley was in a walking boot during the series. Like their three best players, whether we want to admit it or not, we’re all kind of playing on one leg at certain points and there again, no excuse. The Pacers outplayed them. The Pacers did everything I expected the Cavs to do in that series. The Pacers did it better, but I also think that you have to look at this and say, OK, did this team lose because they weren’t good enough, or did this team lose because they were unhealthy at the wrong time? And the answer is probably somewhere in the middle, but I do think that we lean to just, you know, they weren’t good enough, and I know that there’s a, a pretty significant section of the fan base that Darius Garland. I just would not be in that area right now if I’m the Cavs. I think that he’s got a lot of room to grow still. So I do think that it has been a bit of an over. Reaction because just about everything that could have gone wrong for them went wrong for them at the wrong time after a season where for the most part from October until April basically nothing went wrong and that’s why — they won 64 games and
— Indiana also played out of its mind the entire postseason and took Oklahoma City to a game 7 in a way I don’t think anyone could have anticipated when the playoffs started, if I had told any of you guys, we’re gonna get a Game 7 Thunder Pacers finals. You’re to laugh me up. — And so
— you said Thunder and that’s why they play the game. Now I would, I would, I would, I would agree with that except for the fact that I had the Knicks series the previous year. So if I, if you would tell me the Celtics, yes, the Celtics, they, the Celtics were favored now, but the Cavs this year were favored in this series. They had some injury issues, right? But then you go back to the Knicks series, the, the, the first year. They just got beat up and, and, and bullied and pushed around. Now my thing is this, I, I, I, I, I would love to say that the Cavs are, are, are a better team and that point in time they were, but These teams right now are getting better. I like, you know, we talk about the jump that the Cavs are gonna get now. I, I think Boo believe Evan Mobley, uh, is going to take a jump, but jump, but you, when you got Paolo Berro and Wagner, I like what they did. I like, I like them going to get banged. I like the fact that they’ve done some things. Now they got a defensive team that can really play physical. And do some things. I like the Knicks roster. They just got Jordan Clarky. Uh, Mikey points out that they don’t have a coach. Um, that’s a, that’s a thing too, doesn’t matter. That kind of matters, um, but do you see, so do you believe the Cavs, long story short, the Cavs can as constituted, if they didn’t do no more, no more changes, no nothing. You can see them in the in the final section. Absolutely, yes, I, I look at, I like what the Magic have done a lot too, and I know they signed Tyus Jones earlier this morning or last night. I don’t remember which, but I don’t look at that. I look at what they have and they have a lot of good guys, but they don’t have anyone that can set them up. Like they have a lot of and they don’t have the shooting that you also, I think, need. Desmond Bain, a great shooter, but Ben Carroll is not a 3 point shooter. Uh, Franz Wagner looks like he has forgotten how to shoot a basketball despite being really good still. Like it’s crazy the hitch that his shot just developed. So I look at that and I think that you can and you. Can do with this with the Cavs too, but I think you can poke holes in every single roster of a contender in the Eastern Conference, whether it is New York, who, as you mentioned, does not have a coach and it sounds like Mike Brown, old friend of ours, might be the head coach there for the Knicks. You can do it with Orlando. You can do it with Atlanta and I really like the offseason that they have, uh, Nikeel Alexander Walker, I think is gonna be awesome for them. Jalen Johnson can stay healthy, he’s. Gonna be a star for them, uh, Christa Porzingas, the 25 games that him and Tree Young play together are gonna be great. You can’t stay on the floor if you get 25, right, um, but like you can poke holes in every, every single team that that thinks they have a chance to win the East. You can poke holes in their roster. Like if you wanna talk about Milwaukee, if you wanna talk about Detroit, all of these teams, none of them are flawless, I think. On paper and the games are played on hardwood, not paper, and I understand that, but on paper I think the Cavs have the most complete team in the Eastern Conference right now. Let me ask you this, if you, what, what is your starting line up for the Cavs next year? I’m, I’m asking for G Bush. — I would
— got you, bro, with the roster constituted as is or are we talking about? — I
— don’t have DeAndre Hunter in the starting lineup. Some cabs for, thank you, Mr. Cunningham. That is the right now on the list. You didn’t even know it. No, that’s the direction I would go. Um, I think that they have from the time LeBron left until they acquired DeAndre Hunter, they were looking for DeAndre Hunter. They had not had a 6 ft 8 wing that can shoot, that can kind of be an isolation player that can defend. That can do everything that he can do and I do understand why they didn’t have him in the starting lineup last year. I think it’s really hard to sort of assimilate yourself into a team in the middle of the season, especially from when you go in a situation like Atlanta where they’re fighting to be a play in team to now. Your whole life gets turned upside down in about 45 48 hours or so, and you are now, OK, we have to go win a championship. Like that’s a big shift and trying to learn all that and be in the starting lineup, I think is a really tough ask. But I do think with the full offseason with the full training camp that is where I think it makes more sense. I don’t know if that’s what the Cavs are gonna do. I bet the Cavs don’t know right now if that’s what they’re gonna do, and they don’t have to because it’s July 1st and they don’t play a basketball game for a while. But if I were Kenny Atkinson, that’s the direction that I would go with their starting lineup. I actually agree with him, by the way. I, I, — I told you
— if he just wants to be on the Christmas list. I, I’ve been taken off and put back on the Christmas about 50 times since the show started. But uh speaking of the bench, Danny, we, we kind of talked about this earlier in the show with losing Ty Jerome. The Cavs are now betting on a lot of internal development from guys, and when you look at the bench. They don’t have a ton of playmakers on the bench. I mean, Lonzo one healthy giant if, Craig Porter Jr not a shooter, good ball handler, good creator. You’re hoping Merrill can maybe add something to there’s a depth chart. You’re hoping Proctor can go from 2nd round pick to contributor, hoping Jalen Tyson can take that next step forward, but outside of Donovan and Darius in the backcourt 23 wing, you know, grouping. Because not a lot of proven playmakers and I do think that is a little bit of a concern now where you’ll probably miss Ty Jerome the most in this situation. Where do you see them making up for that lack of creation that Ty did provide even if. — He had some shortcomings
— as well, even if it was mostly creation for himself, because I, I do think that’s part of it. Um, I actually think the thing they missed a lot of what George Yang and Kirst provided in in terms of playmaking for other guys like they were ball movers in a way that DeAndre Hunter wasn’t and I don’t think Ty Jerome was. This is this for me almost everything with this team is gonna get back to Evan Mobley. So I look at what he needs to do this offseason. I think he needs to tighten his handle because I think he needs to be able to go get himself a bucket a little bit easier and if he does that, I think his playmaking, which he is a good passer, he’s been a good passer even if his assist numbers don’t necessarily show up, but he’s been a good passer since he came into the league. I think if he tightens up that handle, if he’s somebody that you can give the ball to and let him go create for himself and others in ways that we haven’t necessarily seen him do often enough. So far in his career in Cleveland, I think that’s where that next step could go because if you think about where the Cavs were at in terms of their rotation, like him and Donovan would check out first and then they would play in that second unit, that’s where I think you could get some of that more creation. Bonzo Ball will be on the floor too like that. I think he. He brings more creation if he’s healthy, which again is the biggest if for this Cavs team because of this injury. I, I, I said it on my podcast. I felt like in a 30 minute podcast I felt like I said it 35 times the other day, but if he’s out there, he’s a better creator than anybody on this roster other than Darius Garland, and I think he’s a much better creator, not for himself but for others than what Ty Jerome was. Yeah, to me, I. I looked at the jump, now I will say his jump, if you look at his numbers, the numbers ain’t crazy different from last year to the year before. I look at the bigs and I’ll be talking about it all the time like I, I mean, I wanna see the 25. I need about 25 and 11 Mobley. Oh, I, we talked about it with the, the, uh uh LaMarcus Aldridson gave me them points. Baker, give me Chris Webber. I, I need somebody. — David Weston gave me 2
— teams like empty calories. I didn’t think I’d hear Vin Baker. Baker. You never know you never know. You never know. Listen, you, if you get, I mean Chris Gatling had a couple of good years. I didn’t think I’d hear that one. If you, I need him to be, like you said, I need him to develop a pet shot. What is your moneymaker? What is it gonna be? Is it gonna be a jump hook left, jump hook right? Is it gonna be a fade away on the block? What is it gonna be? Something where you say, oh, Mobley got it in the spot. When they say get to your spot, what is Mobley’s spot? — The elbow
— question do you think we have an answer right now? I don’t think we have an answer right now. I think he, I think he likes to have the ball in certain spots, but I don’t think you and the elbow is the left elbow is one that certainly comes to mind. But when he gets the ball there, I don’t think you necessarily know, OK, he’s gonna to dribble left jumper or get to the basket like he, I think is doing different things from that one spot, um, but the other thing with Tyrome leaving that I, I think about like if he’s gonna get to 25 points a game, he’s probably gonna need more shots than he took last year and Ty leaving and being replaced with Lonzo, who Lonzo is not gonna take the same volume of attempts that Ty did, some of those shots can go to Evan and that is part of the way that that can get up. There because I do agree with you. I think that when he’s at his best, he’s aggressive. I just think that there need to be more times where he is aggressive, right? Like we have seen him have these big games in certain spots and we saw it in the playoffs two years ago against Boston where he was awesome in that series even though the Cavs were very much inferior to what the Celtics were at that time, but he was aggressive and that’s what we need to see more of from Evan. Caitlyn Clark, not the Caitlyn Clark, the basketball player, the Caitlyn Clark who covers the, no, no Caitlin Cooper, not, uh, covers the Pacers. Caitlin Cooper does a great job covering the Pacers. Did a breakdown of when Tyrese Halliburton made his first shot, — first missed
— his first shot. Did you see that? Any idea? and I literally was thinking about this as you were talking. Does Mobley, do you think follow a similar split to that, to where his aggressiveness, if he makes his first shot? And I go back to like that Charlotte game where he had all those threes where if he hits one early, if like something in his head just clicks and. I could do the research and start looking. I have no idea, but now I feel like I’m gonna have to look into it. Like I feel like that’s gonna be the rest of my week now is I’m gonna have to just go back and look at all of Evan Mobley’s game logs to see what he did with his first shot attempt, but that, that I know, I know exactly the story that Caitlyn wrote that you’re talking about and it’s, it’s a great, you know, piece of investig I guess investigative journalism we’ll call it, um, but like I could see that. Being the case with Evan and and part of it too, I guess the difference between that with Halliburton and that with Evan is Halliburton has the ball in his hands so much more so sometimes with Evan it’s not always his fault. Now you can always put at least a little bit of blame on him for not being aggressive enough and getting the basketball, but as I mentioned with him needing to tighten up his handle until he does that, he’s gonna need somebody to get him the basketball more frequently than Tyrese Halliburton does. So that’s why I think it’s a little apples to oranges, but I do like that thought process. We got one more. We got time for 2 more. I got one last. Tyrese Procter, the Cavs’ 2nd round pick in last week’s draft, falls to 49. I don’t think a lot of us expect him to be there at 49, ends up coming to Cleveland. I know you had reported that he may have been telling teams kind of stay away. He was definitely telling teams to stay away. Don’t drop me. Tyrese Proctor was doing it. Yes, that’s I, I think that this is what I had a fully, fully multi-year roster spot. He’s gonna be on the real roster because so many guys after. I don’t know if it’s like 42, 43, 44, 45, but like in that range they start to get two-way contracts and guys don’t want to be on two-way contracts and the Cavs have the second round exception is a way they can spend money as a second apron team, and they had a roster spot for a second round pick building this team. And they like Tyrese Proctor and I don’t know where he would have gone, but I do know that his, his people told teams do not draft us, but they, they had it something figured out. Obviously it was with the Cavs. I don’t know how many teams they told, but I do know they told teams that, um, because I don’t think he would have fallen to 49 had it not been. For that, and we don’t know what he’s gonna be, but I do think that that is a smooth way of maneuvering, and I think that this might be a problem with now the draft being 2 days in the NBA because teams have 18 hours between the end of the first round and the start of the second round to work out a lot of this stuff, and they didn’t have that before, so I wonder how that has changed things. We got one more now you’re already on a Christmas list. no press, no press now we be laughing all the time. Will Imai Bates stick somewhere in the league. I’ve had it, Mike, we talked about. I said, bro, he plays for the Cavs too it’s hard to find minutes. But if you play for the Hornets, or you play for the Kings or you get, you, you get with the right places where they can let him learn, figure it out, get in the rotation, possibly. Does he stick or do you see him playing overseas? Um, I mean, it was about 10 minutes being on a Christmas list. I’m guessing I’m gonna be off now because no, um, I don’t think that he is, and I like Amani. I thought he had a lot of upside coming out of the draft. I think he’s a really good shooter, but that’s all he is is a really good shooter. He’s not. To me in watching him and I’ve, I’ve watched him in person several times between summer league going to charge games, all that stuff he’s not athletic enough to play in the NBA. He’s not an explosive enough athlete to be in the league and he’s not a good defender. He’s got shorter arms. He’s a really good shooter. But that’s really all that he provides and he is not good enough at that one skill to be somebody that’s worth having on a full NBA contract. I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s somewhere else in summer league. It’s not gonna be with the Cavs. I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s on a summer league team, wouldn’t be stunned if he gets another two way, but I think more. Likely than not, his basketball future is playing in a league that’s not — the NBA
— and making a ton of money overseas. That is Danny Cunningham from the Lockdown Cats podcast. Daily correct, Danny? Every day, every day if you want 30 minutes of Cavs content outside of UCSS, you should be listening to Danny and the Lockdown Cavs. He just.

The Cleveland Cavaliers have drafted Tyrese Proctor, traded for Lonzo Ball, re-signed Sam Merrill, and let Ty Jerome go in free agency. Locked On Cavaliers host Danny Cunningham breaks all the moves down.

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